| 00:03.40 | Stanzilla | Betrayer's Rise is the name of the last lfr wing |
| 00:03.42 | Stanzilla | dem spoilerz |
| 00:06.06 | Semlar | spoils stanzilla |
| 00:08.58 | foxlit | the boss list is kind of public courtesy of the dungeon journal anyway. |
| 00:13.54 | Stanzilla | it suggests that illidan might be part of the fight, imo |
| 00:16.05 | foxlit | doesn't gul'dan have the betrayer title? :P |
| 00:19.24 | Stanzilla | I guess |
| 00:30.24 | [TOM_RUS] | To disable this feature, go to Settings > Streaming > Streaming Options and uncheck %1 |
| 00:30.30 | [TOM_RUS] | so there's must be UI |
| 00:47.38 | Stanzilla | not unlocked then |
| 00:56.31 | [TOM_RUS] | Stanzilla, see other channel :P |
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| 02:42.39 | znf | Is there a way to disable weather effects in Legion? |
| 02:42.43 | znf | The rain is pissing me off already |
| 02:46.17 | Torhal | looks for the "znf is bitching again" setting. |
| 02:46.18 | Torhal | >.> |
| 02:46.19 | Torhal | <.< |
| 02:46.46 | znf | Also, can we get the CVar to make Torhal actually do some work instead of just irc idling? |
| 02:47.10 | Torhal | That was deprecated a few years ago, slated to be removed next release. |
| 02:48.10 | foxlit | next release is in 2020, though. |
| 02:48.47 | Torhal | Fucker. :/ |
| 02:49.39 | Ressy | I like that idea. |
| 02:50.32 | Stanzilla | glad we all agreed on 2020 then |
| 02:51.13 | Torhal | Your optimism is astounding, Stanzilla. |
| 02:51.58 | nebula | WELL JESUS CHRIST IF YOU ACTUALLY USED THE WORTHLESS BETA SHIT, MAYBE SOMETHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ABOUT IT STANZILLA |
| 02:52.14 | Stanzilla | wow |
| 02:52.19 | Stanzilla | kyle with the screaming |
| 02:52.23 | Torhal | That isn't enough caps, nebula. I'm going to have to insist you do better. |
| 02:52.24 | Ressy | o.O |
| 02:52.48 | kd3 | O.o |
| 02:52.49 | nebula | i need some cats around to truely channel my inner torhal |
| 02:52.52 | Stanzilla | o.o |
| 02:53.20 | Torhal | And spelling lessons. I wouldn't pull a rookie mistake like "truely" |
| 02:53.20 | Torhal | >.> |
| 02:53.26 | Stanzilla | tbh I don't think their web team has returned from Curse Voice work anyway |
| 02:53.33 | Torhal | They haven't. |
| 02:53.35 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 02:53.37 | Stanzilla | see |
| 02:53.38 | Stanzilla | useless |
| 02:53.48 | nebula | yea, and no punctuation, sorry, i really dropped the ball |
| 02:53.51 | nebula | i am drunk, though |
| 02:54.06 | kd3 | oh, that's right, it's friday |
| 02:54.09 | Torhal | Now you're completely caps-less. |
| 02:54.13 | kd3 | wonder if I have any beer left |
| 02:54.54 | Stanzilla | quick I need something I can get nebula to do for me while he is drunk |
| 02:54.56 | Stanzilla | any ideas? |
| 02:55.03 | nebula | unzips |
| 02:55.10 | Stanzilla | nononoNONOSTOP |
| 02:56.03 | Torhal | Wow. |
| 02:56.07 | Torhal | He went there. |
| 02:56.29 | Stanzilla | I'm actually going to bed to watch this 11.22.63 thing |
| 02:56.32 | Stanzilla | please don't follow me |
| 02:57.21 | nebula | play coy, you're not fooling anyone |
| 02:58.27 | nebula | A high school teacher travels back in time to prevent John F. Kennedy's assassination. Starring James Franco. sounds...odd |
| 02:58.36 | Torhal | nebula: Stephen King. |
| 02:58.43 | Torhal | Was a book, of course. |
| 02:58.45 | nebula | oooooooooooh |
| 03:07.46 | Stanzilla | super weird but not that bad so far |
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| 03:26.22 | mckenziemc | converts nebula to .rar |
| 03:35.05 | relaxok | is there a timeless isle-ish place in WoD and Legion? |
| 03:35.16 | Stanzilla | not yet |
| 03:35.29 | Stanzilla | they had one planned but it was canned |
| 03:35.31 | nebula | they had one but cut it, no? |
| 03:35.33 | Stanzilla | for WoD it is tanaan |
| 03:35.52 | nebula | the'lsomething |
| 03:39.24 | relaxok | oh thaldranath or something like that |
| 03:40.00 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 03:40.04 | Stanzilla | isle of the canned |
| 03:41.25 | relaxok | huh so tanaan jungle is just.. hellfire peninsula? |
| 03:41.31 | relaxok | (from looking at the map anyway) |
| 03:41.36 | nebula | yes |
| 03:41.45 | relaxok | yeesh. |
| 03:42.04 | nebula | i mean, they're nothing a like, but it's the same location |
| 04:00.35 | znf | with all the lag in Dalaran on the beta now, it feels like WoTLK :D |
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| 04:16.46 | znf | Is this correct to get earned AP? local _, _, _, _, c, r = C_ArtifactUI.GetEquippedArtifactInfo(); while i <= r do c = c + C_ArtifactUI.GetCostForPointAtRank(i); i = i + 1; end; print("AP Earned:" .. c) |
| 04:23.16 | Semlar | bit of an odd use of a while loop |
| 04:25.22 | nebula | while loops are timeless |
| 04:25.45 | nebula | kids these days and their for loops |
| 04:25.55 | Semlar | it's extra typing! |
| 04:26.23 | nebula | back in my day, we managed memory ourself AND LIKED IT |
| 04:26.59 | Semlar | i bet you did |
| 04:27.05 | Semlar | sadist |
| 04:41.11 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#Careers_with_highest_proportion_of_psychopaths |
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| 05:42.10 | Semlar | chef |
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| 06:02.29 | znf | What kind of barbarian did design the Kirin Tor quests? |
| 06:03.17 | znf | I can't even make it past the 1st round :-| |
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| 07:21.52 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: i stopped watching it because i read the book and it was much better |
| 07:22.20 | Semlar | no |
| 07:24.05 | Fisker | oh nevcairiel ? |
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| 07:36.50 | nevcairiel | can it stop raining for an hour or so? i need to go buy food |
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| 08:28.49 | harl | "You cannot decommision a ship until you have the maximum number of ships." |
| 08:28.58 | harl | Why? Is there any plausible reason behind this? |
| 08:30.04 | nevcairiel | why would you want to delete one if there is more room to add new ones? |
| 08:31.39 | harl | +s |
| 08:31.55 | harl | that's not really the point, nevcairiel |
| 08:32.06 | nevcairiel | actually it is |
| 08:32.09 | nevcairiel | it makes no sense |
| 08:32.12 | nevcairiel | hence its not allowed |
| 08:32.43 | harl | no, it isn't. the question is, why did someone *deliberately* implement this limitation, instead of letting people just, you know, decommission their ships at will.. |
| 08:32.58 | Ironii | for many reasons, for example, you want to build new ships |
| 08:33.02 | Ironii | now you have to do it one by one |
| 08:33.11 | nevcairiel | you have to build them one by one anyway |
| 08:33.17 | nevcairiel | its not like it lets you queue them |
| 08:33.42 | harl | ironii: and how is that better than decommissioning more than one ship at a time |
| 08:34.19 | Ironii | well yeah, but most people use the rush orders anyways |
| 08:34.21 | harl | i'm asking about the reason for the limitation, not about the technicalities |
| 08:35.01 | Ironii | it was for nevcairiel, not you |
| 08:35.28 | nevcairiel | not to mention that new ships often suck, so I usually just re-build one of them until it has the things I want it to have |
| 08:35.32 | nevcairiel | (ie. the crew i want) |
| 08:36.05 | nevcairiel | you can send them all on low success missions and hope they all die :p |
| 08:38.11 | Ironii | ^^ |
| 08:38.13 | harl | to re-build them to get another crew is exactly the only reason why i ever decommission ships |
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| 09:15.12 | Semlar | i figured out what the flower was neffi |
| 09:16.05 | Semlar | apparently it's a vine not a shrub |
| 09:16.21 | Semlar | even though it looks like a shrub |
| 09:23.18 | Yoshimo | nevcairiel: have you pushed out the translations for gathermate that i made lately? |
| 09:37.46 | nevcairiel | probably not, i dont like making packages only for translations, especially if its only for beta |
| 09:38.37 | nevcairiel | actually the latest from june 20 should have all translations judging from the translation log |
| 09:38.59 | Yoshimo | how is the collection of pools going? Should we also go hunt for the treasure chests? |
| 09:39.15 | nevcairiel | one-time treasures are not something gathermate tracks |
| 09:39.32 | Yoshimo | what kind of treasures does it? |
| 09:39.33 | nevcairiel | and i dont really remember seeing any ordinary chests that are multiple use |
| 09:39.46 | nevcairiel | those kind of chests have been rather uncommon as of late |
| 09:42.15 | nevcairiel | anyway one-time treasures are handled by things like handynotes plugins which have a pre-filled database, remove it from the map if you collected it, and stuff like that. makes not much sense to record a location of a treasure after you found it, just to know you can never come back here :p |
| 09:42.49 | Yoshimo | yea i know, i just was wondering why the file mentions similiar nodenames |
| 09:43.51 | nevcairiel | most treasures it tracks are old from classic and BC |
| 09:44.08 | nevcairiel | and some re-usable things found in later expansions, but those are rare |
| 09:49.50 | nevcairiel | anyway maybe i'll run around the continent later today trying to confirm some more fish school names |
| 09:50.13 | nevcairiel | there is some rare schools that need an item to become visible, need to fish those up i guess |
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| 11:15.12 | Neffi | what, Semlar? |
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| 15:02.39 | Amarande | sooo ... let's see. now that I'm back in WoW ... |
| 15:03.06 | mckenziemc1 | cringes. |
| 15:03.12 | Amarande | 1) Minion is awesome, move over Curse Client ... 2) however, for some reason I can't seem to download BugGrabber with minion, BugSack ended up missing its dependency and I had to go get it by hand |
| 15:03.54 | Amarande | 3) how in blazes do you configure questguru now, /qg or /questguru seem to do nothing, there's no configgle tab for it in the interface menus, and /qgs seems to only be for the sound |
| 15:04.01 | Amarande | gonna have to find another quest log addon again :S |
| 15:10.52 | Amarande | hrm |
| 15:10.57 | Amarande | what is the gold standard quest log addon these days |
| 15:11.28 | Amarande | questguru's configuration seems to be missing, carbonite quest apparently can't be used by itself, and the blizzard quest frame is nice but you can't move it :( |
| 15:12.18 | mckenziemc | why should we tell you |
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| 15:26.49 | mckenziemc | it worked o.o |
| 15:26.58 | mckenziemc | maybe i'll have to try that with Torhal sometime. |
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| 16:01.47 | karl_w_w | dont forget your steam discovery queue ladies |
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| 16:15.59 | Arrowmaster | oh is it sale time? |
| 16:17.30 | MaxFrost | yes |
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| 16:37.09 | mckenziemc | don't forget adding money to your savings account every month, karl_w_w |
| 16:37.29 | karl_w_w | my what? |
| 16:37.39 | mckenziemc | that thing you should have |
| 16:37.57 | karl_w_w | so I have 6 trading cards so far, and 4 of them are the same |
| 16:38.08 | karl_w_w | why can't I have that sort of luck in lotteries? |
| 16:38.20 | karl_w_w | I mean, other than because I don't gamble |
| 16:44.41 | mckenziemc | yay, i contributed to wikipedia! |
| 16:45.19 | mckenziemc | undid a minor case of vandalism |
| 16:46.21 | mckenziemc | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Earned_income_tax_credit&type=revision&diff=726960518&oldid=726853284 they made another trivial change that wasn't worth figuring out whether to separate or undo in the same action |
| 16:50.21 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't get involved in wikipedia if I were you, it drives people insane |
| 16:50.38 | karl_w_w | like shirik |
| 16:50.42 | karl_w_w | wherever he is |
| 16:51.14 | mckenziemc | undoes karl_w_w |
| 17:18.27 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvS3EB0C3nI |
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| 18:22.34 | Semlar | it's an allamanda neffi |
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| 18:45.06 | Semlar | TheDanW: the game seems to load a new copy of a texture every time it's set, rather than using the one that's already in memory |
| 18:46.58 | Semlar | it's causing horrible performance issues if you repeatedly set the same texture |
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| 18:57.34 | Stanzilla | that sounds like the problem nebula and I had |
| 18:59.19 | Torhal | You brought him back, mckenziemc. |
| 19:00.40 | Semlar | i wonder if it's because of what they did to the file paths |
| 19:01.30 | foxlit | resource loading in general is volatile; you should probably wair for a few builds before becoming overly concerned. |
| 19:02.46 | Munk | Is it the same for custom and native textures? |
| 19:03.07 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 19:03.29 | Semlar | otherwise you'd probably have framerate drops just from it displaying the spell icons |
| 19:04.28 | foxlit | spell icons, like friendship, are magic. |
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| 19:13.05 | Semlar | yeah it's only custom textures |
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| 19:32.36 | nebula | Semlar: i didn't notice a performance drop, but i saw repeatedly setting a texture would sometimes nil it out, making it flicker |
| 19:34.23 | Semlar | that's probably because it's loading a new copy of the texture instead of using the one that's already in memory |
| 19:35.05 | Semlar | it shouldn't even get that far if you're calling SetTexture with the same path that it's already set to |
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| 19:35.19 | nebula | yea, thats what TheDanW said |
| 19:36.05 | nebula | trying to work around the issue, i saw that :GetTexture() was always returning the texture path with a blp extension regardless of what you passed to :SetTexture() |
| 19:36.59 | nebula | still has the issue if you give it a blp, though |
| 19:41.57 | Semlar | yeah i think whatever they're doing to normalize the paths internally isn't matching them up |
| 19:42.38 | Semlar | probably TheDanW's fault since guill isn't here |
| 19:44.39 | Semlar | my 3D map thing set the same texture hundreds of times without any issues on live |
| 19:44.51 | Semlar | OnUpdate |
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| 19:50.39 | mckenziemc | maybe you should use OnOutdated |
| 20:12.06 | Stanzilla | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745744692#18 |
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| 20:18.24 | nebula | i honestly don't see what the big deal is. people will bitch and moan then get use to the new zoom and it'll all be forgotten |
| 20:19.52 | Semlar | NO, THINGS ARE DIFFERENT AND BAD |
| 20:19.53 | nevcairiel | and as watcher says much of it is hyperbole anyway |
| 20:20.01 | nevcairiel | the max UI zoom setting isnt too bad |
| 20:20.18 | nebula | i've been a tank or healer predominately and although i have my cvar set to allow me to zoom all the way out, i rarely need to |
| 20:20.25 | Semlar | i think you should be forced to use first person view |
| 20:20.34 | Semlar | for immersion |
| 20:34.20 | Torhal | immerses Semlar in swamp goo. |
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| 20:40.28 | Semlar | too much immersion torhal |
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| 20:48.44 | Cide | hi |
| 20:56.57 | Torhal | Semlar: Just pretend you're mudding. |
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| 21:13.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.17 | Stanzilla | nebula nevcairiel I just finished 11.22.63, it was really good |
| 21:21.59 | nevcairiel | i found it awkward after knowing the book |
| 21:22.17 | nebula | i have the book around somewhere, but hadn't read it yet |
| 21:22.35 | Stanzilla | is the main story different in the book? |
| 21:22.59 | nevcairiel | i didnt finish the series, but i assume its similar |
| 21:23.31 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 21:23.59 | nevcairiel | there are a bunch of pre-stories where he went in and came back out etc that they just left out |
| 21:25.01 | nevcairiel | how did it end in the series? him finishing his mission and happy end, or coming back home and seeing the final result? |
| 21:27.10 | Stanzilla | PM, not going to spoiler the channel |
| 22:02.43 | Stanzilla | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929 |
| 22:02.51 | Stanzilla | where is my surprised face |
| 22:02.52 | Stanzilla | cant find it |
| 22:04.50 | znf | lfr 1st wing - 1st boss |
| 22:04.52 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they will ever get rid of the guns for everyone laws |
| 22:04.53 | znf | tanks pull 3 slimes |
| 22:05.03 | znf | everyone's popping left and right |
| 22:05.39 | Stanzilla | probably not |
| 22:05.52 | Stanzilla | arms lobby > * |
| 22:08.11 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.35 | foxlit | I rather like this game. |
| 22:24.27 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~quassel@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 22:25.29 | relaxok | whats the best addon for buff bars? i cant remember the one i used to use |
| 22:26.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Ketho (~Ketho@ip565063bd.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 22:29.33 | znf | there's no such thing as best |
| 22:31.04 | relaxok | what's a good* |
| 22:31.49 | relaxok | i used to use one to put buff bars + target debuff bars right under my rogue |
| 22:32.08 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~quassel@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 22:35.37 | nebula | there have been many. ebb, sbf, needtoknow, classtimer, raven come to mind |
| 22:36.14 | nebula | i've used raven for some time, but it has a lot of options |
| 22:37.15 | relaxok | ahh it was ebb |
| 22:38.14 | relaxok | thanks |
| 23:00.50 | VIad | Torhal: is it possible to delete addons on curseforge? |
| 23:00.58 | VIad | I see some of mine labeled deleted, but still there |
| 23:01.56 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Z09l50f.png |
| 23:01.57 | znf | wat |
| 23:02.16 | VIad | yes, cross faction pvp - you get temporary transformed to alliance for alliance players |
| 23:02.25 | VIad | just to get less queue time as horde |
| 23:02.31 | VIad | if there are population imbalances in queue times |
| 23:05.26 | Torhal | VIad: They're "deleted" in the sense that nobody but you or moderators can see them. |
| 23:05.33 | VIad | alright |
| 23:20.57 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4pu5qm/blue_post_by_watcher_about_the_removed/d4nyadg |
| 23:26.49 | VIad | GetCameraZoom() incoming |
| 23:28.36 | Stanzilla | what's teh name of the right click player frame dropdown again |
| 23:29.39 | VIad | "We strongly believe that there needs to be parity in this area between players who are using the default UI and those who have addons or knowledge of hidden console variables. One option was certainly to just allow the in-game slider to go all the way up to the CVar hardcap. But that scale is beyond the one around which the game was designed at its core." |
| 23:30.09 | VIad | next step: disable addons because it gives certain advantages than other players |
| 23:30.43 | znf | >will be intensely unpopular with the group of players that has used console/WTF CVars to increase camera zoom |
| 23:30.48 | znf | you mean most fuckin' raiders? |
| 23:31.05 | VIad | 99% raiders |
| 23:31.07 | VIad | -LFR |
| 23:31.37 | VIad | much easier to play on fights with huge areas like archimonde without having to make the camera go left to right to check if stuff are going on - making you dizzy :p |
| 23:32.00 | VIad | I mean we will see. if there is enough uproar they will revert it or add more distance to the slider. |
| 23:32.08 | VIad | we know how flying went in draenor when enough complained. |
| 23:32.34 | VIad | game still beta. stuff might happen once 7.0 hits and people, most of the playerbase, finally notices the camera change and starts to poke around |
| 23:33.33 | NodusCursorius | I feel like people just enjoy being unhappy, and find their daily hill to die on. Can't say that this seems that dire an issue, either way. |
| 23:34.02 | VIad | you can look at it as anti-quality of life update |
| 23:34.10 | VIad | or a nerf |
| 23:34.16 | NodusCursorius | I'm sure I'll be fine. |
| 23:35.11 | VIad | probably. not that Semlar will notice much change, considering he plays a hunter :p |
| 23:35.20 | VIad | at range you get increased field of view |
| 23:37.53 | VIad | chaud posted mmochamp post about this with a poll http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5789-Legion-Max-Camera-Distance-Reduction |
| 23:38.10 | VIad | 75/25% atm that people use the max camera cvar |
| 23:39.04 | NodusCursorius | Seems like a selective sample group. |
| 23:39.10 | VIad | Semlar: camera distance caps at ~30 yards now |
| 23:39.31 | VIad | its basically who ever reads mmochamp and notices the poll |
| 23:39.39 | VIad | not like its exclusive for raiders or anything |
| 23:40.27 | NodusCursorius | No, but it is about people who care more than just using the defaults and/or an addon that someone else designed. |
| 23:42.46 | NodusCursorius | Not even sure why a poll or petition matters. This isn't a democracy. |
| 23:42.55 | VIad | dont you remember flying in wod? |
| 23:43.07 | NodusCursorius | I do. |
| 23:43.09 | VIad | enough complaints turned around the entire dev team to add in flying :p |
| 23:43.23 | NodusCursorius | It wasn't the complaints alone that pushed it. |
| 23:43.28 | VIad | oh? |
| 23:43.50 | VIad | so what made blizz change their minds? |
| 23:44.01 | NodusCursorius | Players were told at one point that flying would likely be in legion, then that they were thinking whether they would or not, then that they would likely not, then that they would not. |
| 23:44.19 | NodusCursorius | A lot of sitting-on-the-fence so to speak, after WoD was released. |
| 23:44.34 | VIad | I remember them saying they designed draenor to not be flyable |
| 23:44.40 | NodusCursorius | This time they came right out (just like Legion flying) with their stance, reasoning, and execution. |
| 23:45.28 | VIad | and that all the complaints was the reason flying was actually added for the last patch of draenor |
| 23:45.40 | NodusCursorius | Right, but reread that line. |
| 23:45.56 | VIad | I was talking about draenor flying spectacle though |
| 23:46.02 | NodusCursorius | The last patch, after an entire expansion of complaints and no firm answer or clear-cut reasoning. |
| 23:46.13 | NodusCursorius | People were grumpy for many reasons. |
| 23:46.57 | NodusCursorius | Besides, I don't believe that the "not designed to be flyable" was a mechanical statement but rather a design-intentions statement. We had plenty of ways to become airborn, sometimes for minutes at a time. |
| 23:47.03 | znf | Flying was one of the reasons I didn't play anymore |
| 23:47.07 | znf | (the other being they made my spec shit) |
| 23:47.19 | VIad | probably the later was more of weight :p |
| 23:47.32 | znf | when I want to go out in the world and do something, I don't want to fight every fuckin' mob out there |
| 23:47.40 | znf | I don't have 20 hours a day to play the game, 10 to fight the mobs |
| 23:47.46 | VIad | flying was added at so late of stage that it didnt matter |
| 23:47.57 | VIad | you had already inspected every cave in the continent |
| 23:48.00 | NodusCursorius | Why not use the Garrison portals to teleport to the zone? Why not use Aviana's Feather for inner-zone, aggro-free transport? |
| 23:48.32 | VIad | znf sounded like flying being added made you quit |
| 23:48.38 | VIad | I might have misunderstood |
| 23:48.56 | znf | VIad, I quite before they added flying |
| 23:49.08 | znf | quit* |
| 23:49.23 | znf | NodusCursorius, I'm talking about avoiding 5 mobs to fight one |
| 23:50.19 | NodusCursorius | Are you referring to your alts? |
| 23:52.35 | znf | those, too |
| 23:52.49 | VIad | I personally can only debate on this from a raid perspective, I am pro max camera range. Otherwise sure its not a big noticable deal. |
| 23:53.09 | VIad | not quite sure how reducing the distance makes the game any better, never imagined the camera to be a issue :p |
| 23:53.11 | znf | the most frustrating thing about no-flying was when you wanted to reach a point, but that point was behind weird terrain |
| 23:53.41 | VIad | znf: guess you were not the lucky guy to make inn and upgrade it, to get avianas feather :p |
| 23:53.43 | znf | so you had to figure out how the hell to avoid hills/mountains |
| 23:53.53 | znf | I got it very late in game |
| 23:53.54 | VIad | that item seriously helped me most of the time I was in your situation |
| 23:54.02 | VIad | I got it quite fast :d |
| 23:54.14 | VIad | 10 min fly half draenor |
| 23:54.46 | VIad | combined it with the timeless falling flame that made you fly crazy fast and gliders |
| 23:55.04 | VIad | (glider caps the speed so used only to not die from fall damage when going down :p) |
| 23:56.38 | NodusCursorius | I feel like if you're avoiding the layout of the land, enemies, and world - it may be time to consider if you're in the right genre for your time investment and enjoyment. |
| 23:57.14 | znf | NodusCursorius, I started playing in BC. |
| 23:57.27 | NodusCursorius | I started playing in Vanilla. This is not a contest. |
| 23:57.30 | znf | Before I hit 70, I had the gold to buy epic flying (I enjoyed the AH) |
| 23:57.50 | znf | So I had flying available to me since I started playing |
| 23:58.00 | znf | wotlk - just had to level to 77 |
| 23:58.06 | znf | cataclysm - had it from the get-go |
| 23:58.09 | znf | mop - hit 100 |
| 23:58.45 | NodusCursorius | znf, with all due respect that does not change my position. |
| 23:59.04 | VIad | you are discussing personal experiences and interests atm |
| 23:59.13 | NodusCursorius | There's nothing wrong with wanting to do things on a tight time schedule, but you place tremendous emphasis on avoiding the game. I've no dog in this fight, so don't stress. |
| 23:59.21 | VIad | quite hard to debate on emotional level :p |
| 23:59.37 | znf | It's always been like that, ever since they put in flying. Get max level, fly. |
| 23:59.47 | znf | Then they changed shit around. |
| 23:59.57 | VIad | like I personally I think you avoid the game if you can fly, though I dont mind if flying comes a bit later after I get max level, maybe do some more quests to unlock flying |
