| 00:10.54 | fewyn | so i'm one smart cookie |
| 00:10.57 | fewyn | i stuck my hand in the oven |
| 00:11.01 | fewyn | without the glove on |
| 00:12.34 | Predicate | Mmm, roast fewyn. |
| 01:00.08 | Elmoe | hmm anyone noticing anything strange with toplevel attribute not being honored on beta |
| 01:00.25 | Elmoe | I have a frame template that has toplevel set to true but the frame appears behind others |
| 01:00.30 | Elmoe | working fine on live |
| 01:03.15 | fewyn | https://www.twitch.tv/bethesda xplay reunion inc |
| 01:03.20 | fewyn | morgan webb and adam sessler |
| 01:22.34 | dssd7_ | toplevel doesn't automatically mean its above everything, you still have to consider frame strata, frame levels, etc |
| 01:26.52 | kd3 | hm, the bethesda stream's operating on bethesda time |
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| 01:33.26 | Stanzilla | started now |
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| 02:19.00 | Stanzilla | quake! |
| 02:19.08 | kd3 | holy crap |
| 02:19.40 | Stanzilla | inb4 moba-ish |
| 02:26.53 | Stanzilla | rip stream |
| 02:29.12 | Stanzilla | between all the "RIP Hearthstone" spam was one "RIP YuGiOh" that really made me chuckle |
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| 02:35.33 | Arrowmaster | my goodreads account is turning into a hardscifi list |
| 02:50.51 | kd3 | FO4 in VR? holy crap |
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| 03:16.46 | Iriel | kd3: that'll be interesting, wonder how they'll do movement |
| 03:17.04 | Iriel | kd3: Also, I rather enjoyed the Warcraft Movie. Guess i'm on the 8/10 side of things. |
| 03:18.32 | kd3 | as a warcraft player, I loved it. it was great seeing places I've been playing for more than a decade now. they just stuffed too much into the time they had |
| 03:19.21 | kd3 | hopefully china makes the film enough money |
| 03:19.43 | Torhal | I heard it was doing decently here. It's mostly critics that are panning it. |
| 03:19.46 | nebula | how'd it do opening night in the states? |
| 03:20.03 | Iriel | I guess I find that sort of par for the course at the movies -- better that that it being 35 minutes longer than it needed to be. That said, I could easily have watched the same story in a longer movie. |
| 03:20.40 | Iriel | I'm not sure they publish the opening numbers until monday, do they? |
| 03:20.44 | kd3 | $24M so far for US |
| 03:20.57 | kd3 | china's already over $156M |
| 03:20.58 | nebula | jones did say something about releasing an extended version with an extra 40some minutes |
| 03:23.04 | Mr_Rabies | i see that extra 40 minutes being some exposition, honestly |
| 03:23.46 | Mr_Rabies | i like films that don't really bother overexplaining stuff, though, personally |
| 03:23.59 | nebula | assume so, i think the main complaint i from non-wow people was it moved pretty fast without a lot of explaination |
| 03:24.07 | nebula | i heard* |
| 03:24.37 | Mr_Rabies | there's a certain anime director whose stuff i love and his style is basically only explaining stuff really important to the story |
| 03:25.52 | Mr_Rabies | he gets the same sort of criticism, because he focuses on world building through character interactions and not WHOA ISN'T THIS SO COOL CHECK THIS OUT ALSO THIS IS HOW IT WORKS |
| 03:28.31 | Mr_Rabies | he also packs in about 4-5 normal hours of content into a 2 hour movie, so his pacing is similarly just insanely dense for the time slot |
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| 04:03.58 | mckenziemc | This quest starts in Lunarfall and ends in Lunarfall and Frostwall. |
| 04:03.59 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:05.32 | mckenziemc | microsoft's getting aggressive with the upgrade popups :o |
| 04:07.42 | Trela | YOU WILL TAKE WINDOWS 10 AND LIKE IT. |
| 04:09.36 | mckenziemc | Dislikes this. |
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| 04:26.16 | Gethe | upgrades mckenziemc to Windows 10 |
| 04:27.23 | Predicate | Whoa. No need for violence. |
| 04:28.41 | Gethe | :P |
| 04:35.46 | mckenziemc | plants a Mushroom of Destiny in Gethe's yard. |
| 04:37.15 | Gethe | D: |
| 04:39.24 | mckenziemc | i'm so confused |
| 04:39.49 | mckenziemc | Draka / Suramar trade chat is empty |
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| 06:22.07 | Miiru | anyone knows by which function DoTradeSkill() was replaced? |
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| 07:08.51 | nebula | Miiru: C_TradeSkillUI.CraftRecipe(id, count) |
| 07:10.13 | Miiru | thanks :) |
| 07:10.45 | nebula | if you hadn't found it by now :p |
| 07:21.03 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:21.09 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 07:21.27 | Fisker | yay free hugs |
| 07:22.03 | Kalroth | me too, me too |
| 07:22.28 | Cairenn | hugs Kalroth |
| 07:22.46 | Kalroth | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:22.47 | Kalroth | yay |
| 07:22.52 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:23.38 | VIad | C_TradeSkillUI is a bit misleading since CraftRecipe looks like a non-UI related method? |
| 07:23.54 | VIad | C_TradeSkill would probably be a better name overall, unless it too exists... |
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| 07:37.34 | nebula | they're a collection of functions used by TradeSkillUI, assume that's the reasoning behind the name |
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| 09:25.45 | VIad | yeah, most likely. I'd probably not specify the UI bit unless I wanted to have two distinct grouping of API, in this case, could also drop the UI suffix without any confusion. I guess it wont mater for us, there are no other C_TradeSkill after all :p |
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| 10:49.39 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/petermadden2u/status/742211894908321793?s=09 |
| 10:50.58 | VIad | childish |
| 10:51.18 | VIad | irrelevant, maybe internal humor, I didn't get any of it |
| 10:52.15 | karl_w_w | australian politics |
| 10:57.44 | VIad | I wonder what technical changes have been made to the engine for legion, if the hardware specs just increase, or if they too optimize the game to run better at the lower settings than it did in wod |
| 10:58.34 | Alram | it'll run better on older hardware with the new lod stuff |
| 10:59.12 | nevcairiel | from what i've seen the new lod stuff is really only useful to extend viewing distance, not to lower specs |
| 10:59.19 | nevcairiel | and they did infact increase the minimum spec |
| 10:59.37 | Alram | lowest viewing distance is larger now though |
| 10:59.51 | Alram | so hence my better |
| 10:59.54 | Alram | but yeah you're right |
| 11:00.36 | nevcairiel | some zones do bnring even high-end systems down right now, not sure if bugs or lack of optimizations, or just the way it is |
| 11:00.49 | VIad | I can't recall the name right now |
| 11:00.57 | VIad | but I remember a game that blew my mind |
| 11:01.08 | VIad | the scalability was really good |
| 11:01.22 | VIad | it ran smooth as silk on lower end hardware without terrible graphics |
| 11:01.28 | VIad | and it was amazing on the highest settings |
| 11:02.10 | nevcairiel | open world games like MMOs often lower performance as much of the world needs fully dynamic rendering, while single player games can be largely pre-computed |
| 11:02.23 | VIad | does wow use scaling models? |
| 11:02.31 | VIad | like many other games use other models when you are too far |
| 11:02.40 | nevcairiel | its called LoD, and yes |
| 11:02.51 | VIad | my experience was that wow didnt have a good LOD |
| 11:03.06 | VIad | but I've seen that tech used in other games, and it works quite well |
| 11:03.35 | VIad | you avoid the fog effect, and can use lower poly models :d |
| 11:04.09 | VIad | tbh wow always used the fog effect the less hardware you got to boost your fps on stuff going on around you |
| 11:04.33 | VIad | so far in legion the fps is good. maybe worst in dalaran, but better than I have in garrison |
| 11:04.45 | VIad | for some reason garrison eats my fps :/ |
| 11:04.48 | nevcairiel | the fog is also realistic, try to climb a mountain and see to the end of the continent, unless you have the most brilliant weather ever, its going to end in fog =p |
| 11:05.10 | VIad | sure. but on lowest settings you live in a fog bubble of 100 yards around you ;d |
| 11:05.40 | VIad | think they improved that, but havent checked it out actually |
| 11:06.01 | VIad | I noticed some funky LOD effect materializing objects, instead of fading them in like the old engine |
| 11:07.18 | Miiru | <VIad> it ran smooth as silk on lower end hardware without terrible graphics |
| 11:07.24 | Miiru | foxengine?^^ |
| 11:08.42 | VIad | Semlar2: sorry about the blood giving joke yesterday. had no clue it was related to massacre. thought it was just an accident or donation wave. |
| 11:09.47 | VIad | Miiru: are you updating addons for legion? just curious to what kind |
| 11:10.37 | Miiru | the one addon i have is more or less done^^ |
| 11:10.47 | VIad | :d |
| 11:10.51 | VIad | what does it do? |
| 11:11.05 | Miiru | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info20292-MiirGuiTexturePackBlue.html |
| 11:11.19 | VIad | this year I practically recoded my old addons I think are most popular based on numbers from curse and wowi |
| 11:11.47 | Miiru | a few things are still missing but that is because of things like having to level followers to max level and not being able to test garrison stuff at maxlevel 100 |
| 11:11.51 | VIad | neat |
| 11:12.10 | VIad | does exportinterfacefiles work in legion? |
| 11:12.12 | Miiru | for example you cannot get a garrison report window up atm |
| 11:12.15 | Miiru | yes |
| 11:13.08 | Miiru | so i cant test, if the fleet diesplay is still the same, but i guess ptr will have that up when its on |
| 11:13.20 | Miiru | or when they add character copy maybe |
| 11:13.48 | Miiru | my girfriend was so hyped to get a beta key and when she got one she was like: im going to test it as soon as i can copy my character -.- |
| 11:13.54 | VIad | could just force it to show using lua |
| 11:13.59 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.01 | VIad | if its only textures |
| 11:14.27 | Miiru | yea its not :D |
| 11:14.52 | Miiru | if i remember correctly it even throws an error |
| 11:15.10 | Miiru | wtf |
| 11:15.25 | Miiru | crap it looks like a deleted the wrong character :D |
| 11:15.27 | nevcairiel | why are people so fixated on using their own characters, by the time you leveled a bit you would have replaced your gear anyway, so that leaves ... nothing :) |
| 11:15.39 | Miiru | yea i dunno eitehr |
| 11:15.48 | Miiru | she said sth about the transmogg stuff |
| 11:15.56 | VIad | I would only do it for transmog stuff |
| 11:16.03 | VIad | to see how my most overburdened chars would end up :p |
| 11:16.17 | VIad | bank and void full of crap |
| 11:16.21 | VIad | oh man... going to be glorious |
| 11:16.37 | VIad | I will actually be able to use my bank for bank stuff! and not mail them to my bank char/guild |
| 11:18.01 | Miiru | so next step is leveling a follower to epic quality :D |
| 11:18.33 | Miiru | luckily i seem to get alot of those grimoires |
| 11:20.07 | Miiru | or i could just make the function do the opposite of what it does atm |
| 11:47.26 | VIad | Miiru: do you think this is useful? http://cdn-wow.mmoui.com/preview/pvw50196.png |
| 11:48.36 | Miiru | its a nice thing to have for people with small chat windows i guess :D |
| 11:49.04 | Miiru | i actually like it^^ |
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| 11:51.37 | Miiru | maybe sort the icons by quality^^ |
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| 12:48.51 | foxlit | nevcairiel: battle pets; collected transmog items, levelled professions, etc. |
| 12:50.57 | nevcairiel | none of those are really that relevant for the current phase of testing =p |
| 12:52.21 | foxlit | did any of the battle pet world quests? |
| 12:57.25 | foxlit | (class hall campaigns are also a pain with profession material requirements and the typical beta AH prices) |
| 12:58.08 | nevcairiel | having professions on a higher level doesnt really help those, as you can do the new recipes without leveling |
| 12:59.13 | mckenziemc | some people just want to play their beloved characters |
| 13:01.13 | nevcairiel | so would I, but I still didnt forgo testing on account of that |
| 13:01.21 | Miiru | i would like to know if my mage has still his invulnerability potion he got from a quest which does not exist anymore to kill a raidboss as last person alive o/ |
| 13:02.45 | foxlit | it's not really that I'm saying that it's impossible to test things without character copies, but rather that some things cause more friction than they should, resulting in less people doing them. |
| 13:03.21 | foxlit | Miiru: one day they'll silently nerf it to "+5% dodge" and nobody would be the wiser. |
| 13:09.14 | foxlit | (given that you haven't used your Light of Elune in 5 expansions, you're probably not going to use it ever.) |
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| 13:21.59 | Infus | so WA uses a animation with 0 duration to rotate e.g. text on aura bars, apparently that doesn't work in legion, anyone aware of a simple fix? (The code: https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/blob/master/RegionTypes/aurabar.lua#L407) |
| 13:22.49 | mckenziemc | stop using WA |
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| 13:48.46 | Neffi | Infus: simple? no. that WAS the simple hack for rotated text |
| 13:49.03 | Infus | so what's the new way? |
| 13:49.09 | Infus | I didn't write that code |
| 13:49.15 | nebula | couldn't you just use some small value instead? |
| 13:49.18 | Neffi | but I hear you can make a texture now by capturing the contents of a frame, so maybe you can make the bar in a frame, capture texture, then rotate the texture |
| 13:49.34 | Neffi | so the text becomes part of the bar image |
| 13:49.45 | Neffi | might be inefficient if text frequently changes |
| 13:49.46 | nebula | that's weird |
| 13:50.05 | Neffi | I dunno |
| 13:50.12 | Neffi | haven't touched the new apis |
| 13:50.29 | nebula | do fontstrings not rotate at all now? |
| 13:51.54 | Infus | I haven't checked, but the same code is also used for the circular progress, which definately needs rotation |
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| 14:14.40 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: Would you have a moment to explain how HereBeDragons split microdungeons off "floors", and how it's deciding which is where..? I'm used to handling floors like in Astrolabe, so for example in Teldrassil I had floors 2,3,4,5 - while HBD sees 4 and 5 as micros on instance 1, while micros 2 and 3 are caves in Azuremyst. How do I map one to the other? And where does HBD thus store floors 2,3 of Teldrassil (map 41, instance 1)? Can't |
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| 14:34.26 | nevcairiel | its not possible to associate micro dungeons to the actual zone they are in, but its also not required, as the floor numbers they use are global across an entire continent |
| 14:35.47 | nevcairiel | (not possible unless you walk into the micro dungeon, that is, of course you know which zone you are in at that point) |
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| 14:39.14 | Tentacled | Umm. So here we have a conundrum. I'm in Shadowthread Cave in Shadowglen, that is zone 41 floor 2. HBD sees my location as totally bonkers, as it fails to recognize this cave as Teldrassi's floor 2. |
| 14:40.27 | Tentacled | And that's what I meant by recognizing floors from micros - Teldrassil caves Shadowthread Cave and Fel Rock are floors 2 and 3, while Ban'ethil floors are 4 and 5 and they are micros 4 and 5 all right. |
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| 14:41.56 | nevcairiel | most of the time the game just screws up information then |
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| 14:42.45 | Tentacled | I don't think it does in this case, as it seems like HBD is trying to treat this cave as micro 2. |
| 14:43.06 | Tentacled | http://puu.sh/prddC/7c2869cdcb.png |
| 14:43.30 | Tentacled | That's what GPZP() returns when I'm in the cave. |
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| 14:45.52 | nevcairiel | both teldrassil and shadowglen do not report any floors |
| 14:46.11 | nevcairiel | so any maps with floors are tried as micro dungeons |
| 14:46.31 | Tentacled | The don't report any floors until you're in them, sadly. |
| 14:46.56 | karl_w_w | handy site http://www.e3recap.com/ |
| 14:46.56 | Tentacled | You'll definitely see yourself in floor 2 when you enter Shadowthread Cave. |
| 14:47.10 | nevcairiel | reports as a microdungeon |
| 14:47.31 | Tentacled | And yet Stillpine Hold will report as microdungeon, too. |
| 14:47.37 | Tentacled | in Azuremyst, floor 2. |
| 14:47.46 | Tentacled | And that's the one HBD recognizes. |
| 14:48.00 | nevcairiel | thats probably an error as stillpine hold is technically on another continent |
| 14:48.07 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 14:48.30 | nimhfree | are they included in GetMapSubzones() ? |
| 14:49.12 | nevcairiel | but since they are "physically" on the same continent, it get re-mapped |
| 14:49.34 | Tentacled | They're caves, not subzones. 888 Shadowglen is a subzone of 41 Teldrassil, but that's as far as subzones get. |
| 14:49.59 | nevcairiel | i understand what the problem is now, i'll have to think about that for a bit |
| 14:51.03 | Tentacled | Truth be told, why are micros split off floors anyway..? Why store them separately, I mean? They ultimately ARE treated as floors on their host maps, even if they don't always report in the GetNumDungeonMapLevels() list... |
| 14:51.25 | nevcairiel | like i said above, because you dont know which map they belong to, you only know which continent |
| 14:51.40 | Tentacled | Ah, from the automated scanning you don't, right. |
| 14:51.51 | Tentacled | And handcoding would be icky :/ |
| 14:57.16 | Tentacled | Aaaand you're not going to like this one. |
| 14:57.59 | Tentacled | for _, dID in ipairs(GetDungeonMaps()) do t={GetDungeonMapInfo(dID)} if t[7]==41 then print(GetDungeonMapInfo(dID)) end end |
| 14:58.31 | Tentacled | HBD ignores the 7th return, parentWorldMapID, while it's 41 for these micros, whose floor numbers are nicely 2,3,4,5. |
| 14:58.48 | Tentacled | And they correspond to "floors" as Astrolabe knew them on Teldrassil. |
| 14:59.30 | nevcairiel | in my experience the parent worldmap id is not reliable for all of them |
| 14:59.48 | nevcairiel | not to mention that in shadowglen the parent would be 888 |
| 14:59.51 | nevcairiel | or should be |
| 15:00.01 | nevcairiel | in any case there is no problem, i know how to fix it either way |
| 15:01.39 | Tentacled | Indeed, it would be 888, but inside the cave I'm in 41 Teldrassil. |
| 15:01.49 | Tentacled | s/would/should/ |
| 15:02.57 | nimhfree | but shouldnât you be able to know that 888 is also in 41 so even if you were to associate a cave with 888 you could derive that it is 41 as well? |
| 15:03.54 | Tentacled | nevcairiel: Aaaanyway, even as you move the conflicting 2,3/2,3 floor-dungeons to some appropriately private space, I'll have to build some handmade translation table if I'm to be able to address microdungeons as zone[floor], right? |
| 15:04.18 | nevcairiel | for what reason would you need that? |
| 15:05.31 | Tentacled | I have a database of points of interest, some are in microdungeons, addressed as zone/floor/x/y. |
| 15:05.47 | Tentacled | "It worked in Astrolabe" [tm]. |
| 15:06.01 | Tentacled | (Well, Astrolabe + handcrafted table of microdungeons, oldschool style.) |
| 15:06.04 | nevcairiel | I have no interest to replicate astrolabe, I have an itnerest in providing a library that does what I need =p |
| 15:06.14 | Tentacled | Of course, that's well understood :) |
| 15:06.38 | Tentacled | I'm just pondering my options when migrating off this ancient piece of unmaintained code. :) |
| 15:07.16 | nevcairiel | you can still use zone/floor info for microdungeons in HBDs math functions just fine |
| 15:07.29 | nevcairiel | it just doesnt give you an option to enumerate microdungeons |
| 15:08.19 | Tentacled | And it's assumed that floors are either reported openly by the game, or they're micros? |
| 15:08.28 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 15:08.50 | nevcairiel | outdoor world zones dont really have floors either way |
| 15:09.00 | Tentacled | Mmmhm, so if I throw zone/floor at HBD, it'll look first in floors, then in micros? |
| 15:09.19 | Tentacled | (micros for the same instance that the zone was, to be precise) |
| 15:09.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:10.32 | nevcairiel | i'll fix the bug with re-mapped continents later, otherwise it should work just fine |
| 15:11.24 | Tentacled | Let's hope we don't stumble upon any non-public floors :P |
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| 16:52.29 | nevcairiel | Tentacled: i pushed a fix for the microdungeon issue |
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| 17:08.18 | fewyn | holy shit minecraft crossplay across all devices |
| 17:09.12 | kd3 | ugh. that means going to the mobile edition on desktop |
| 17:09.14 | kd3 | yuk |
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| 17:48.46 | bshelden | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.06 | bshelden | Mixed feelings there. A permanent version makes modding more stable... |
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| 18:02.31 | fewyn | they've basically rewritten it into c++ |
| 18:02.43 | fewyn | and they are using the same base code across all devices |
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| 18:06.53 | kd3 | still amused by 'highest quality pixels'. seriously, microsoft? |
| 18:08.58 | zenzelezz | E3 isn't strictly targetted at people who know stuff anymore |
| 18:10.27 | zenzelezz | decided to drop by the Twitch stream... bad idea, I forgot how bad such events are. Somehow the excitement never comes off as genuine :-p |
| 18:10.47 | kd3 | I only watch for the snark |
| 18:15.57 | foxlit | you could be watching apple explain apple music instead. |
| 18:19.04 | zenzelezz | "Hi, you're on the Steam challenge. What platform do you play on?" |
| 18:19.11 | Rythal | All i got from MS was.. buy a new console this year.. buy a new console again next year... then just play your games on PC intead... oh and if you bought Ark on both PC and Xbox, we can laugh at you. |
| 18:19.55 | fewyn | i like the cross play thing |
| 18:20.06 | fewyn | mainly because i don't want to play on a console |
| 18:20.15 | Rythal | I like the cross play, just annoyed they announced Ark cross play when I already bought it twice ;P |
| 18:20.22 | fewyn | rip |
| 18:21.43 | Rythal | and nothing about their biggest game going cross play... just got gearVR which means buying minecraft for the 4th time :| lol |
| 18:28.37 | fewyn | uh Rythal |
| 18:28.45 | fewyn | oh gearvr |
| 18:28.49 | fewyn | NVM |
| 18:29.18 | fewyn | i got minecraft for windows 10 for free |
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| 19:48.45 | Stanzilla | http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/new-apfs-file-system-spotted-in-new-version-of-macos/ |
| 19:54.10 | karl_w_w | haha it's actually true |
| 19:54.29 | karl_w_w | gamers' left pinky finger reaches out further |
| 19:54.55 | karl_w_w | from holding shift |
| 20:02.30 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 20:02.37 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 20:54.32 | Rythal | Star Trek Bridge Crew looks fun, except needing friends |
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| 21:38.37 | karl_w_w | ^_~ |
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| 22:52.26 | nimhfree | is there a convenient way to determine the size of a Lua table? |
| 22:52.41 | nimhfree | meaning how much memory it occupies |
| 22:55.09 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:55.33 | foxlit | do a garbage collection, destroy all references to the table, do anoter garbage collection, compare results. |
| 22:57.28 | Neffi | that is the only way ^ |
| 22:58.06 | Neffi | you could try to guess based on how many elements it contains, assuming the preallocation behavior is the same as stock Lua, but you can't account for any memory not yet freed by a rehash |
| 22:58.47 | Neffi | ie, deleted keys still consume space until some future inserttion causes a rehash |
| 23:05.39 | Torhal | confiscates Neffi's hash. |
| 23:06.15 | Unkle | upgrades Neffi to black tar opium instead of hash. |
| 23:12.11 | Torhal | Good looking out, Unkle. |
| 23:13.39 | Unkle | bows. |
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| 23:51.10 | mckenziemc | could you use a stub addon to temporarily hold the only reference to the table, and check the change to GetAddOnMemoryUsage? |
| 23:51.27 | mckenziemc | (kB resolution) |
