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| 01:20.25 | Semlar | Guill did you do something to the edit boxes, i was pretty sure disabling word wrap completely got rid of the lag |
| 01:20.39 | Semlar | but that doesn't appear to work any more |
| 01:21.18 | Torhal | He's punishing you for ScrollFrame abuse, Semlar. |
| 01:21.27 | Semlar | i didn't mean it |
| 01:33.57 | mckenziemc | secretly abuses Torhal's ScrollFrames. |
| 01:34.40 | Torhal | asks mckenziemc to point to the POI where Semlar touched him. |
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| 02:01.11 | Semlar | um |
| 02:01.27 | Semlar | cloudflare is blocking me from posting a script on wowinterface |
| 02:02.32 | kd3 | dolby: ^ |
| 02:03.15 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.31 | dolby | looking at it now |
| 02:03.34 | Semlar | it appears to not like the content of the post i'm trying to make |
| 02:03.54 | Semlar | which is mostly a lua script example |
| 02:04.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.29 | dolby | try now? |
| 02:05.30 | mckenziemc | so, at level 100, Thistle Tea restores -20 energy :o |
| 02:06.07 | Semlar | it let me post now |
| 02:06.23 | dolby | tweaked the WAF, sorry about the trouble. :( |
| 02:06.35 | Semlar | did it think i was haxing |
| 02:06.53 | Semlar | it was probably all those scrollframes |
| 02:06.53 | dolby | aye, was 'Block SQLi concat() evasion' |
| 02:06.55 | mckenziemc | it knew, not thought |
| 02:07.01 | dolby | lol |
| 02:07.03 | kd3 | some overtuned WAF rules think anything other than alphanumerics is sqli |
| 02:07.23 | Semlar | to be fair it's in code blocks >_> |
| 02:21.04 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, triggering McFlaree as a false positive? You've stepped into Norton's Law, where your code is indistinguishable from malicious design. |
| 02:23.42 | Semlar | i didn't do nuffin |
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| 03:02.00 | Fisker | hugs the Cairenn but he did not hug the deputy |
| 03:02.45 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 03:04.22 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker's new deputy, aka Cairenn. |
| 03:04.34 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 04:29.34 | NodusCursorius | New beta build tonight - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745225056 |
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| 04:31.27 | kd3 | hm, late night |
| 04:33.12 | NodusCursorius | Why do people want character copy? |
| 04:33.32 | kd3 | because they want /their/ character, not a weaksauce template |
| 04:33.42 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 04:34.01 | NodusCursorius | But it's for testing. |
| 04:37.14 | Stanzilla | custom texture sill birken |
| 04:37.41 | Stanzilla | build is out already btw |
| 04:37.42 | nebula | servers already back up? |
| 04:37.46 | Stanzilla | n |
| 04:37.49 | nebula | like i just got kicked off |
| 04:40.23 | kd3 | realms still down |
| 04:40.28 | kd3 | that was quick getting the build out though |
| 04:41.40 | Stanzilla | they still haven't learned to only update the config of wow_beta though |
| 04:48.45 | Gethe | NodusCursorius, kd3: Blizz requested xmag feedback, people dont have thier xmog collections on the premades |
| 04:49.35 | NodusCursorius | You know what's rapidly filled in by doing anything in the game? |
| 04:50.23 | Gethe | specificly for items that may not be available anymore like for low level items that had thier armor class changed |
| 04:50.44 | NodusCursorius | "I've spent years painstakingly adquiring a comprehensive transmog repertoire on plate/mail/leather/cloth so my characters can look fabulous. Its seriously killing me to have to do stuff on beta while looking like a plebe)" |
| 04:50.49 | NodusCursorius | "Yea I feel you. I really wish we could do character copy, because I really want to see what its all going to look like with all my toons. |
| 04:50.50 | NodusCursorius | " |
| 04:51.05 | NodusCursorius | I'll be honest. Your excuse is a reasonable one and I would find the value in making sure the mechanic works. |
| 04:51.17 | NodusCursorius | I'm not certain that others are as intellectually honest as you. |
| 04:52.24 | NodusCursorius | Gethe is therefore invited to all future betas, and FaF alpha. Stanzilla will back me up on that. |
| 04:52.33 | Gethe | lol |
| 04:53.12 | Gethe | i actually have been for the past few xpacs, though not FaF |
| 04:54.02 | NodusCursorius | I am a merciful god. Rewarding you for deeds of your future with past opportunities. |
| 04:54.08 | Stanzilla | NodusCursorius is probably drunk again |
| 04:54.19 | NodusCursorius | drinks Stanzilla |
| 04:54.29 | NodusCursorius | Is this how we do that in the channel? |
| 04:54.50 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:54.57 | Torhal | You forgot to liquefy him, NodusCursorius. |
| 04:54.59 | Torhal | S'ok, though. |
| 04:55.29 | NodusCursorius | It's my first time eating a human. Be gentle. <3 |
| 04:56.03 | Torhal | Wait - Stanzilla is human? |
| 04:56.18 | Stanzilla | I disagree |
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| 04:56.46 | NodusCursorius | Only a human deals in passive-aggressive stances that lack conviction! |
| 04:57.38 | mckenziemc | aerates Torhal. |
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| 04:58.06 | Torhal | carbonates mckenziemc. |
| 04:58.41 | Torhal | preemptively hydrogenates NodusCursorius. |
| 04:58.47 | NodusCursorius | chair- |
| 04:58.51 | NodusCursorius | How did you do that. |
| 04:58.55 | Torhal | o.O |
| 04:59.52 | NodusCursorius | thatRockgifwhereheisapplaudingandshakinghisheadindisbeliefbutlookslikeheischewingbubblegum.gif |
| 05:00.37 | NodusCursorius | I don't even remember what I was going to do to Torhal. He completely shook off my train of thought. |
| 05:00.51 | Torhal | Something with a chair, apparently. |
| 05:00.54 | Torhal | Seemed unsavory. |
| 05:01.17 | NodusCursorius | Nothing of the sort, delicious friend. |
| 05:01.27 | Torhal | :/ |
| 05:02.16 | mckenziemc | throws a rock and then a Safari Ball at NodusCursorius. |
| 05:02.34 | Torhal | Is this you, NodusCursorius? http://blog.contv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Cookbook_Chef.jpg |
| 05:02.54 | NodusCursorius | dodges the rock but momentum pushes him into the Safari engine, causing him to eat the challenge of candles. |
| 05:03.22 | Torhal | You no take candle! |
| 05:03.46 | NodusCursorius | Torhal with the Leave it to Beaver-era references. |
| 05:04.23 | NodusCursorius | (also, it was an early morning and we all know the agony of forcing a smile before a cup) |
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| 05:34.29 | Stanzilla | http://www.sciencealert.com/this-guy-lived-for-more-than-a-year-without-a-heart-in-his-body |
| 05:34.32 | Stanzilla | O-O |
| 05:34.36 | kd3 | ugh. talking with a friend of mine from college. he's got interns in his office who were born in 2000 |
| 05:34.37 | kd3 | wtf |
| 05:35.34 | nebula | they times, they are a changin' |
| 05:35.40 | nebula | the* damit |
| 05:35.54 | Torhal | Isn't that a tad young for interns? |
| 05:36.36 | Torhal | Completely rhetorical question since my son was born in 1999. |
| 05:36.37 | nebula | depends on the the job, my friend had 16/17 yr olds doing mail room stuff and such |
| 05:36.37 | kd3 | 16, high schoolers, only there for 2 periods a day |
| 05:36.58 | Torhal | Ah, ok. School program sounds about right. |
| 05:38.07 | nebula | i don't think we had work release/intern type stuff until senior year at my hs |
| 05:38.40 | Torhal | Was Junior/Senior at mine, but only if you had the credits. |
| 05:39.56 | Stanzilla | wow really http://i.imgur.com/vH8mbm5.png |
| 05:40.14 | nebula | yea, you had to show you could graduate without the credits you were gone for obviously |
| 05:40.44 | NodusCursorius | Stanzilla, heh. |
| 05:42.10 | NodusCursorius | On the other hand, the people who run unfamiliar Lua scripts are the same people who run attachments from strange emails. "of course, but maybe" situation |
| 05:45.19 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.21 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:53.28 | NodusCursorius | Stanzilla, https://i.imgur.com/XGkdhxt.jpg |
| 05:53.48 | Stanzilla | :D |
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| 06:32.12 | Miiru | "<Guill> BTW, the ".blp" issue people were talking about should be fixed soon(tm)" well not today _D |
| 06:33.48 | NodusCursorius | "Addon textures are disabled and appear green." http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745165137 |
| 06:34.19 | Miiru | is there any list of changes for the builds? |
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| 06:35.32 | Miiru | probably not i guess |
| 06:35.46 | Torhal | Thanks, NodusCursorius. You should have made them hot pink, though. |
| 06:36.31 | NodusCursorius | Torhal, tech just isn't there for mixing colors like that. Maybe next franchise. |
| 06:37.27 | Torhal | I know the tech has to be in Overwatch. |
| 06:38.22 | NodusCursorius | Miiru, so far, just the standard wall-of-diffs on mmo-champion. |
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| 06:43.23 | Miiru | ok |
| 06:43.37 | Miiru | escape still seems to easily be tainted in the order hall |
| 06:44.15 | Torhal | You're trying to escape from the Order Hall? |
| 06:44.16 | Torhal | >.> |
| 06:44.21 | NodusCursorius | Stop doing illegal things. |
| 06:44.40 | NodusCursorius | You'll end up like Semlar |
| 06:44.51 | Torhal | Don't go there. |
| 06:44.54 | Torhal | Just don't. |
| 06:45.27 | NodusCursorius | HE CAN BE SAVED, Torhal |
| 06:45.45 | Torhal | He's overlabeled, NodusCursorius. |
| 06:45.57 | Torhal | And I'm pretty sure he can be diagonally scrolled. |
| 06:46.50 | Torhal | Hell, at this point I'd be surprised if he didn't finagle a POI, ScrollFrame, and Animation into using the camera functions to do 3D scrolling. |
| 06:46.53 | NodusCursorius | While inheriting the tooltip code. |
| 06:47.00 | Semlar | why do you do this |
| 06:47.03 | Torhal | :O |
| 06:47.15 | NodusCursorius | Imagine. Scrollable tooltips |
| 06:47.21 | Torhal | In 3D. |
| 06:47.23 | Semlar | how would you mouse over them |
| 06:47.39 | NodusCursorius | SetScale? |
| 06:48.01 | Torhal | You could anchor it to your nameplate, Semlar. |
| 06:48.36 | Torhal | Hell, you could make scrolling combat tooltips. |
| 06:48.42 | Semlar | i never did figure out why the tooltips would randomly expand into giant boxes |
| 06:48.48 | NodusCursorius | A tooltip that remains if the hotkey is pressed |
| 06:49.20 | NodusCursorius | Or a scrollable archive of past tooltips |
| 06:52.47 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, how does click-to-move work? |
| 06:53.06 | NodusCursorius | And can you somehow tie that into clicking on the minimap or world map. |
| 06:53.14 | Semlar | no |
| 06:53.27 | Semlar | you just click somewhere and you run over to that spot |
| 06:53.42 | NodusCursorius | What defines the selected coordinates? |
| 06:53.45 | Semlar | or interact with what you clicked on |
| 06:54.29 | Semlar | what do you mean |
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| 06:58.06 | Semlar | your click defines the selected coordinates |
| 07:02.16 | NodusCursorius | hmm |
| 07:32.05 | VIad | a lot of activity for the early morning. whats up? |
| 07:33.55 | FireSiku | There's always a lot of activity in the 2am to 5am period, as far as I can tell. |
| 07:39.58 | Simca | yep |
| 07:40.14 | Simca | torhals that don't sleep, simcas that don't sleep, other crazy people |
| 07:46.37 | VIad | what was the thing about taint and order hall earlier? :p |
| 07:46.52 | VIad | is it related to the amazing invention of the fubar? |
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| 08:32.49 | VIad | I wonder if blizzards databroker is flexible at all |
| 08:32.53 | VIad | probably not :d |
| 08:34.57 | NodusCursorius | Predicate ping. See above when you're awake. I remember you having finer-detailed knowledge of that area. |
| 08:36.53 | VIad | it seems to be named command bar and in the orderhall addon package |
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| 09:14.44 | Predicate | NodusCursorius: nope, haven't looked into that bar at all, except to know it's ugly. |
| 09:14.58 | NodusCursorius | Ah, different databroker project. That's right. |
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| 10:53.16 | VIad | they seem to have a mixin for the databroker |
| 10:53.32 | VIad | PERHAPS we can hook into that and just make our own interface that works with databroker addons : |
| 10:53.47 | VIad | just spitballing |
| 10:56.33 | Predicate | Sure, go for it. |
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| 11:15.45 | VIad | d[karl]b are you wearing headphones or is that like a pillow? |
| 11:16.16 | VIad | _w_w |
| 11:18.26 | karl_w_w | headphones |
| 11:20.08 | karl_w_w | 90th hero picked VIad, RIP predictions |
| 11:20.18 | VIad | oh man |
| 11:20.34 | VIad | I never get many predictions right |
| 11:21.26 | karl_w_w | oh the bracket is 81-90 |
| 11:21.48 | karl_w_w | OK, hopefully no new heroes are picked, I predicted that one :P |
| 11:22.19 | karl_w_w | jesus somebody got 45 assists in one game |
| 11:56.53 | Kesava | dat overwatch thread |
| 11:57.11 | Kesava | amateur programmers who think they know how all game engines work. "you have to program in a degree limit, that's how coding works" |
| 11:57.14 | Kesava | infuriating |
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| 11:59.41 | karl_w_w | it's true though Kesava, if you don't stay within the degree limit bullets won't fly straight! |
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| 12:05.16 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:10.48 | Semlar | programs in a kesava limit |
| 12:11.08 | Semlar | there can be only one |
| 12:16.00 | VIad | Kesava: overwatch thread? programmers? what? |
| 12:16.12 | VIad | is it about that server tick thing? |
| 12:16.39 | Kesava | https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4n3lzv/overwatch_doesnt_always_shoot_where_you_aim/ |
| 12:16.43 | Kesava | nope, angles |
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| 13:06.17 | VIad | you dont have to aim when swinging with reinhard either :d |
| 13:06.30 | VIad | people on the floor get hit when you swing looking forward |
| 13:06.45 | VIad | unsure if reinhard can crit even if you aim at someones head |
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| 13:25.05 | NodusCursorius | Guill, GetItemSpell only returns spellname string and the rank. Would it be practical for a third return that gave us the spellID, since it's already querying it for the DB2? Only two functions take spellname as an arg. |
| 13:27.08 | NodusCursorius | Keybinding functions, heh |
| 13:42.57 | Simca | Rank? |
| 13:43.02 | Simca | do spells even have ranks? |
| 13:43.09 | nevcairiel | not anymore |
| 13:44.10 | NodusCursorius | Naturally, but I'm not about to ask him to remove the second return. Just add to what it is already accessing, as a third. |
| 13:44.32 | NodusCursorius | Less mess and fuss, simple, when asking for assistance. |
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| 13:45.24 | Simca | well if the second return always returns 1 or 0, it isn't of any use to anyone and just makes things more confusing |
| 13:45.51 | NodusCursorius | I completely agree. |
| 13:46.24 | NodusCursorius | But I somehow feel that asking a favour of removing something and then adding something is far more complex and unlikely than adding. |
| 13:46.28 | NodusCursorius | shrugs. |
| 13:50.26 | karl_w_w | can somebody name a popular ~5 year old logitech mouse? |
| 13:50.49 | NodusCursorius | MX Revolution |
| 13:51.20 | Simca | G400 |
| 13:51.32 | nevcairiel | g500 =p |
| 13:51.32 | Simca | was probably the most popular logitech mouse 5 years ago |
| 13:52.11 | karl_w_w | thanks guiz |
| 13:52.37 | Simca | personally i hate the G500's feel, button layout, scroll wheel, basically everything about it |
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| 13:53.34 | nevcairiel | i used a G500 and G500s (remake) for years |
| 13:53.38 | Simca | it's very similar to the G400 but I feel like all of the differences are downgrades |
| 13:53.46 | Ressy | I was totally in love with my MX Revolution. |
| 13:54.58 | Simca | the MX Revolution looks, uh, interesting. |
| 13:55.22 | nevcairiel | i have one of those for the couch, i think |
| 13:55.27 | nevcairiel | looks similar enough |
| 13:55.55 | NuSuey | btw anyone with legion access on a secondary (not main) account? would love to test the OpenGL renderer on Linux but no luck with legion beta yet.. |
| 13:56.28 | karl_w_w | think im buying a g502 tomorrow |
| 13:56.31 | karl_w_w | spotted it on sale |
| 13:56.38 | nevcairiel | i have a g502 now |
| 13:56.54 | nevcairiel | the core model though, not the rgb version |
| 13:56.57 | Simca | I would prefer the G502 over the G402 |
| 13:57.05 | Simca | the G402 completely ruined the series |
| 13:57.13 | Simca | it feels horrible |
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| 13:58.43 | Simca | I'll probably buy a G400S used after this one dies in a few years if Logitech haven't realized how dumb they were yet |
| 13:59.00 | Simca | They usually realize how dumb they were within a couple of years though so i'm not worried yet |
| 13:59.46 | Simca | MX 518 was by far their highest reviewed mouse 10 years ago and they discontinued it without a replacement product available for like 3 full years before they realized how stupid that was |
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| 14:00.24 | nevcairiel | i think i had one of those |
| 14:00.49 | Miiru | <3 mx518 |
| 14:01.28 | NuSuey | (well nvm) |
| 14:02.11 | Simca | it's pretty unusual for somebody to get access on two accounts NuSuey, i don't know of anyone. |
| 14:02.42 | Simca | bug Alram to try it on Linux, he has an account and a Linux partition |
| 14:02.44 | nevcairiel | who even has two b.net accounts |
| 14:02.55 | nevcairiel | two wow accounts sure, but thats still tied to the same b.net |
| 14:03.03 | Simca | I do for testing purposes |
| 14:03.15 | Simca | but I haven't used the second one in forever |
| 14:03.29 | Alram | i dont think my linux partition still works Simca |
| 14:03.33 | Alram | i might have probably broken it |
| 14:04.04 | Simca | let's blame Semlar |
| 14:04.04 | mckenziemc | it might be probable |
| 14:04.28 | NuSuey | Simca: well so far I just got one feedback, that with the OpenGL renderer in linux: "the OpenGL renderer is there, but it's pretty buggered up with wine. Things are upside / backward" |
| 14:04.35 | Alram | nice. |
| 14:04.43 | Alram | free wallhacks for all |
| 14:04.52 | NuSuey | had worked in previous expansions (minus some graphics enhancements) |
| 14:05.06 | Alram | legion overhauled quite a bit of stuff |
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| 14:06.15 | NuSuey | would love to test it but in their right mind would share his account to me to test it ofc.. |
| 14:08.01 | NuSuey | didn't had the time to do this but I could get legion client from somewhere and create a sandbox from arcitcum? maybe? if it would run on linux via wine ofc |
| 14:08.01 | Simca | i think you'd have serious problems making that run on linux, afaik |
| 14:08.23 | NuSuey | the sandbox? damn |
| 14:08.45 | NuSuey | hmhm.. http://jeremywininger.blogspot.sk/2016/05/world-of-warcraft-legion-702-beta-linux.html according to this dude not looking good so far |
| 14:09.36 | NodusCursorius | The OpenGL has issues, the DirectX runs perfectly fine. Predicate ping |
| 14:19.10 | Miiru | bleh token price is still way over the top |
| 14:19.17 | Miiru | should habe bought more when i had the chance |
| 14:22.32 | nevcairiel | its not going to get better until legion |
| 14:22.55 | Miiru | dont you think the prepatch will maybe drive them down a bit? |
| 14:23.16 | nevcairiel | more people potentially playing, more tokens being bought? how so? :) |
| 14:23.27 | nevcairiel | only in legion people will maybe want gold and put money into that |
| 14:23.33 | nevcairiel | at least that would be my prediction |
| 14:23.41 | Miiru | people returning with banned accounts trying to get stuff back :D |
| 14:25.31 | Miiru | i was astonished that there was no noticable change afetr the movie release |
| 14:26.49 | NodusCursorius | I'm not certain that people returning are going to have the gold sitting around to buy a token, on average. |
| 14:27.20 | mckenziemc | he means cash for token to sell |
| 14:27.25 | Miiru | ^^ |
| 14:27.44 | nevcairiel | plenty people have plenty gold |
| 14:27.52 | NodusCursorius | I'm not certain that the people returning are going to find themselves in need of 30-40k gold, either. |
| 14:28.14 | nevcairiel | and the movie release had 30d free gametime, if they decide to continue and use gold for that, it would not be quite yet |
| 14:28.25 | nevcairiel | also, if those are actually new players, they have no gold |
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| 15:16.13 | Predicate | NuSuey: I am actively playing beta in wine if you have questions or need me to test/log anything. And yes, the Arctium sandbox runs fine in wine, but you can only use the 32 bit WoW client with it, if that matters. |
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| 15:26.59 | Predicate | As far as OpenGL mode goes, it hasn't worked on my setup for some time (even the live client simply crashes on startup). I do know there's at least one or two people who've reported the "upside down text/icons" result, though. |
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| 15:30.47 | LexSfX | i noticed an addon i was watching updated its ToC number to 70000. i don't play any more, but i have 5 small addons i maintain. where can i see the latest WoW API changes? i honestly forget how i learned that info when i played |
| 15:32.14 | LexSfX | this doesn't mention 7.0.whatever: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742784697 |
| 15:32.58 | nevcairiel | Blizzard doesnt often post any API change information |
| 15:33.09 | nevcairiel | this 6.2.4 post was an exception really |
| 15:33.24 | nevcairiel | mostly because they wanted feedback and testing on the new API specifically |
| 15:33.31 | Predicate | 7.0 is still in closed beta, so the changes that have happened aren't final anyway. |
| 15:33.42 | LexSfX | okay, thanks |
| 15:34.09 | nevcairiel | you can check the usual places, wowinterface and wowpedia, or just get onto the beta or the PTR when it opens and figure it out from there :) |
| 15:36.03 | LexSfX | is this relevant any more? i used to use it to figure out what to hook: https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source |
| 15:36.19 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 15:36.19 | purl | Blizzard's UI for WoW. Extract it yourself by following intructions on http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code ; or view it online at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source , or https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ . |
| 15:36.22 | nevcairiel | more up to date places ^ |
| 15:36.26 | LexSfX | oh, thanks so much! |
| 15:36.30 | LexSfX | i'll bookmark :) |
| 15:37.56 | LexSfX | sweet, beta branch is exactly what i was looking for |
| 15:40.55 | NodusCursorius | Then you'll want this one: https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/ |
| 15:41.24 | Predicate | Gethe's is actually up to date, though... |
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| 15:41.43 | Statharas | Hello |
| 15:42.07 | nevcairiel | gethe and foxlit keeps theirs fully updated really |
| 15:42.42 | NodusCursorius | townlong's format just doesn't work for me, and I always forget Gethe keeps different branches. |
| 15:42.50 | Statharas | Does anybody know why this timer fails? http://pastebin.com/vZZGEJXV |
| 15:43.41 | Predicate | Because you're calling PlaySoundFile() instead of passing a function that calls it. |
| 15:44.11 | Statharas | mhmhm |
| 15:48.16 | Statharas | Man, lua is so ugly |
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| 15:50.39 | NodusCursorius | I have to admit, that's the first time I've heard someone say that Lua was an unattractive language. |
| 15:50.55 | Predicate | Must be a native Lisp speaker or something. |
| 15:51.35 | NodusCursorius | I'm not even a Lua main and I find Lua's structure to be wonderfully clean to read. Could be your formatting style and choices, Statharas? |
| 15:52.19 | nevcairiel | Lua is just relatively simple |
| 15:53.20 | nevcairiel | which makes for simpler (ie. cleaner) code, although verbose sometimes |
| 15:53.26 | NodusCursorius | I mean a step past that, nevcairiel. Javascript is simple too but the "tips and tricks" of a veteran look like a series of shipwrecks compared to Luaisms. |
| 15:53.27 | Statharas | I'm a PHP developer :/ |
| 15:53.36 | Kesava | oh god ew |
| 15:53.42 | Statharas | I also work with C# |
| 15:53.45 | NodusCursorius | is an ASM/C thing |
| 15:53.47 | Kesava | oh jesus christ |
| 15:53.48 | Statharas | http://pastebin.com/BysUEnnE Would this work? |
| 15:54.09 | Infus | yes, but use a anonymous function |
| 15:54.20 | Predicate | No, you're still calling z() instead of passing z. |
| 15:54.24 | nevcairiel | also no, dont call the z function |
| 15:54.25 | Infus | ah right... |
| 15:54.29 | Statharas | God, lua is confusing |
| 15:54.35 | Infus | no, it's not |
| 15:54.50 | Infus | you just don't understand it yet, you need to pass a function, not the return value of some function |
| 15:55.02 | nevcairiel | There is just a difference between passing a function as a callback for the timer, and calling a function |
| 15:55.06 | Statharas | But yeah, got it |
| 15:55.10 | LexSfX | for me, learning lua required the hurdle that yes, it really can do that crazy-powerful thing i wished for |
| 15:55.11 | nevcairiel | using () calls a function |
| 15:55.24 | Infus | C_Timer.After(5, function() PlayMusic("Interface\\Addons\\SharedMedia_MyMedia\\sound\\Ryuu ga waka teki wo kurau.mp3") end) |
| 15:55.25 | nevcairiel | just using the name of a function you pass it as a functio nreference |
| 15:55.34 | Infus | or C_Timer.After(5, z); |
| 15:55.37 | Predicate | That said, you can and should use an anonymous function as Infus said (or at least make your function local) |
| 15:56.50 | Infus | functions as values can be confussing to those not used to them, but they are one of the most powerful abstraction mechanisms |
| 15:57.19 | NodusCursorius | And dependable. If Lua is anything, it's consistent. |
| 15:58.02 | Kesava | depends on the C |
| 15:58.06 | Kesava | don't get used to tinsert |
| 15:58.13 | Kesava | (et al) |
| 15:58.24 | Kesava | but i like it. it's tiny. |
| 15:58.29 | Kesava | i like tiny things. etc. |
| 15:58.35 | NodusCursorius | But on the other hand I can see how the side of a PHPer looks across other languages. Likely daunting after going through what PHP teaches you to expect of languages as a whole. |
| 15:58.50 | PhatsoTGT | what the hell man... why do resources show up on target nameplates now? |
| 15:58.59 | nevcairiel | PHPers should be taught that their language is not good as a rolemodel |
| 15:59.01 | Kesava | php teaches you that languages aren't consistent at all. |
| 15:59.03 | Predicate | There's a checkbox for that, PhatsoTGT |
| 15:59.11 | NodusCursorius | Kesava++; |
| 16:00.22 | NodusCursorius | You only have to look at languages like Lua, ASM, C, and I'd say even Python, to know that there are calmer waters. |
| 16:00.25 | Statharas | Anybody here that knows how to use weakauras? |
| 16:00.31 | PhatsoTGT | a checkbox is only acceptable if enabling target nameplate resources activates an electric necklace worn by Guill and instantly disables it again |
| 16:00.43 | PhatsoTGT | Statharas no |
| 16:00.48 | Statharas | 'cause srsly, it's making me sad |
| 16:00.59 | Predicate | No, nobody here has ever used WA |
| 16:01.10 | LexSfX | Statharas: try TellMeWhen |
| 16:01.10 | Kesava | yeah the dev never even comes here |
| 16:01.31 | Statharas | Entire guild uses WeakAuras :/ |
| 16:01.39 | Predicate | Yep. The author's a total loony. |
| 16:01.54 | Statharas | and we use them for stuff like velhari's pillar counting |
| 16:02.15 | Predicate | Isn't that what boss mods are for? |
| 16:02.17 | PhatsoTGT | Staharas you literally just got taught lua by one of the WeakAuras Author's |
| 16:02.19 | VIad | last 3 hours seem epic, need to scroll up and read - saw something about coding, lua, php :d |
| 16:02.39 | NodusCursorius | Statharas, they are giving you the giggling sarcasm, delicious stranger. |
| 16:03.18 | Statharas | *rollseyes* |
| 16:03.56 | NodusCursorius | You'll find the authors and maintainers of WA2 here almost... well I'm not sure they ever leave. |
| 16:03.58 | VIad | karl_w_w: the thing about aim is a valid concern - what if you are standing above the enemy? can't even snipe their head right if the game gridlocks your bulletrain :p |
| 16:04.29 | NodusCursorius | Stanzilla, ping |
| 16:04.53 | PhatsoTGT | NodusCursorius they dont because they have these things i forgot the name of... shit that stays connected for you while your PC is off... |
| 16:05.06 | Kesava | bouncers |
| 16:06.20 | PhatsoTGT | if only i could check if Guill made that bipartisan request i made 2 weeks ago happen |
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| 16:06.46 | Infus | Statharas: PHP has first class functions and anonymous functions, and the syntax for that is even pretty much the same as in lua, if I read http://www.phptherightway.com/pages/Functional-Programming.html correctly |
| 16:06.58 | karl_w_w | VIad, huh? |
| 16:07.14 | VIad | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wOh_fuTqI |
| 16:07.28 | VIad | shots snap to some weird grid when aiming up/down |
| 16:09.50 | NodusCursorius | Side humor regarding why everyone's language is the wrong one: https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks (except mine, of course) |
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| 16:10.53 | Statharas | Infus: The good thing about programming is that you don't always have to resort to something silly |
| 16:11.12 | Statharas | I code PHP like I'm coding C |
| 16:11.36 | VIad | variable scoping is odd if you compare those like that though :d |
| 16:11.42 | VIad | a C guy would go nuts how PHP does it |
| 16:11.44 | PhatsoTGT | then you're not using PHP to its potential at all |
| 16:12.05 | Predicate | But C has function pointers and callbacks... |
| 16:12.08 | NodusCursorius | We're not allows to discuss OO around me. |
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| 16:12.19 | NodusCursorius | plz no halp, i can't OO |
| 16:12.45 | Simca | I can somewhat understand that |
| 16:12.46 | VIad | e->halp = true; |
| 16:13.18 | Predicate | I can't understand how you can't understand OO. |
| 16:14.01 | LexSfX | are they removing transmog? the staticpopup.lua changes seem to indicate this |
| 16:14.28 | NodusCursorius | OO reached my brain far too late in my development cycle. It just doesn't mesh with my thinking. |
| 16:14.36 | Simca | it's more probable they're just using something else, LexSfX |
| 16:14.57 | Predicate | The transmog system has had a complete overhaul, so there will probably be some removals like that. |
| 16:14.58 | VIad | no LexSfX, just rewriting their code |
| 16:15.17 | LexSfX | ok |
| 16:15.26 | Simca | I learned programming first in languages that didn't support OO/didn't provide any benefits for OO (Basic) |
| 16:15.36 | VIad | it's horrible |
| 16:15.40 | VIad | like autoit scripts |
| 16:15.48 | VIad | no OO makes things incredibly annoying |
| 16:15.51 | VIad | some things |
| 16:15.57 | Simca | yeah it really depends |
| 16:16.06 | PhatsoTGT | what the hell lol |
| 16:16.07 | Predicate | It's one thing to not instinctively approach things with OO code, but not being able to undertand it is confusing to me. The real world is made up of objects, do you guys have trouble with that too? :P |
| 16:16.12 | NodusCursorius | Same. Basic, into QBASIC, into Batch. into Bash, into C, and then finally into ASM. |
| 16:16.42 | Simca | getting thrown into C# projects that are heavily OO and having to clean them up/fix them/maintain them has helped a lot though |
| 16:16.42 | NodusCursorius | No time or room for OO. I'm sure Predicate looks at my horrible attempts at Lua and notices some... oddities regarding structure or style. |
| 16:17.27 | Predicate | I have no comment at this time |
| 16:17.52 | NodusCursorius | I distinctly remember wincing when she told me about Lua's automated garbage collection. |
| 16:18.01 | Simca | if you aren't using OO properly in C#, you can get totally wrecked by the garbage collector |
| 16:18.02 | NodusCursorius | BUT HOW CAN YOU TRUST THE THING IT IS THE FIRST STEP OF THE UPRISING |
| 16:18.13 | PhatsoTGT | NodusCursorius are you by any Chance the author of SX_databar? |
| 16:18.14 | karl_w_w | not sure why you're telling me VIad :P |
| 16:18.42 | VIad | I thought you brought it up early today |
| 16:18.46 | VIad | probably remembered wrong |
| 16:18.47 | NodusCursorius | PhatsoTGT, I am not. But I take that to mean I would enjoy his code. |
| 16:19.11 | Simca | I am starting to get salty about garbage collection somewhat, since I have had to debug some extremely annoying issues with it |
| 16:19.31 | Simca | for whatever reason, the runtime of a C# program is 30 seconds on my PC, and 5 other test PCs |
| 16:19.36 | Simca | but for chaud, it's 15 minutes |
| 16:19.36 | NodusCursorius | Statharas, Stanzilla (one of WA2's mafia bosses) recommended this if you haven't already gone through it: http://www.wowace.com/addons/weakauras-2/pages/ |
| 16:20.07 | NodusCursorius | 15 minutes arounds about right for your map code |
| 16:20.12 | Statharas | Haven't seen that, thanks |
| 16:20.18 | NodusCursorius | s/arounds/sounds |
| 16:20.22 | PhatsoTGT | http://hastebin.com/ejabipahaf.lua i proudly present: SX_Databar's Author in "Blowing the Seven Trumpets of the Apocalypse" |
| 16:20.26 | Simca | it seems like his computer is garbage collecting one item at a time in each cycle, which triggers constant GCs and takes forever doing anything |
| 16:20.29 | Predicate | NodusCursorius: Simca != Semlar |
| 16:20.43 | NodusCursorius | I am of tired. |
| 16:20.51 | PhatsoTGT | NodusCursorius thats what i meant |
| 16:21.09 | NodusCursorius | notices PhatsoTGT uses hatebin. Approves. |
| 16:21.14 | NodusCursorius | iabg |
| 16:21.15 | VIad | I use pastebin |
| 16:21.16 | PhatsoTGT | hatebin |
| 16:21.25 | VIad | because it was the frist thing I used back in the day |
| 16:21.28 | PhatsoTGT | someone make hatebin |
| 16:21.29 | Predicate | Sounds like a place for angry rants... |
| 16:21.38 | VIad | what is the true old school paste site? |
| 16:21.53 | NodusCursorius | geocities |
| 16:21.57 | PhatsoTGT | hatebin's gonna be a nice place to drop off blackmetal lyrics |
| 16:22.08 | Predicate | PhatsoTGT: I regret my decision to click that link. Don't do that to us again. |
| 16:22.24 | NodusCursorius | I'm a big fan o- oh, no. We hate this code, apparently. |
| 16:22.40 | NodusCursorius | It's so clean, though. Everything has a step. |
| 16:22.49 | Predicate | It's going to run way more often than it should, and it's not going to run sometimes that it should. |
| 16:23.04 | Predicate | It doesn't even work /correctly/, let alone cleanly. |
| 16:23.12 | NodusCursorius | I'm just admiring the proper tab indentations. |
| 16:23.20 | NodusCursorius | 4 spaces, not 2, monsters. |
| 16:23.27 | Statharas | But first, I need to figure out why the hell my text and texture alternate positions |
| 16:23.28 | Simca | hey if you take away the first and last line it isn't so bad |
| 16:23.31 | Predicate | Those are tabs, not spaces... |
| 16:23.54 | PhatsoTGT | what are you guys talking about? |
| 16:23.59 | PhatsoTGT | the link i posted? |
| 16:24.03 | NodusCursorius | "A tab for four spaces and everything is in places" |
| 16:24.14 | LexSfX | i'm grepping in the latest wow-ui-source from https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-source and i can't find where IsActiveBattlefieldArena() is defined. none of these results seem to be the definition: http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/dump/74d55fd4fe26ea2c0857306d21aca73b/000005C3.png |
| 16:24.17 | NodusCursorius | PhatsoTGT, yes. |
| 16:24.18 | LexSfX | what am i missing? |
| 16:24.28 | PhatsoTGT | thats notepad++ autotab |
| 16:24.39 | Predicate | LexSfX: That's a C API function. |
| 16:24.45 | PhatsoTGT | the original didnt have spaces IIRC |
| 16:24.48 | LexSfX | Predicate: ohh, so it won't be in here. got it |
| 16:25.02 | PhatsoTGT | i'm rewriting the code |
| 16:25.46 | LexSfX | Predicate: so the fact that Blizzard still calls it is a good indicator that it's still usable, then? |
| 16:26.03 | Predicate | Yes, that's generally a good sign |
| 16:26.05 | LexSfX | okay |
| 16:26.20 | NodusCursorius | PhatsoTGT, good! Some cleanup and fixes never hurt. |
| 16:26.46 | Predicate | Though they're not infallible, so if you can, you should test the function in-game (once the patch goes to PTR, if you don't have beta access) |
| 16:26.46 | VIad | some few API are only used once :d |
| 16:27.44 | PhatsoTGT | can someone in Beta record events for Hardcoded Tooltips please and tell me if hovering gameobjects still only fires OnSetOwner? |
| 16:28.08 | PhatsoTGT | talking GameTooltip obviously |
| 16:28.45 | LexSfX | if i update the addons i maintain to ToC number 70000 after checking whether they should be compatible with the beta, will they still be compatible with live? |
| 16:28.46 | NodusCursorius | Statharas, they alternate? |
| 16:28.54 | Statharas | Yeah |
| 16:29.05 | Statharas | They aren't ordered |
| 16:29.08 | Predicate | LexSfX: No, you shouldn't set the TOC above the current one if you want it to keep working. |
| 16:29.23 | VIad | it's not like people don't check the "load outdated addons" |
| 16:29.28 | Statharas | I'm using Weakauras |
| 16:29.32 | Statharas | Don't mind me |
| 16:29.41 | LexSfX | Predicate: okay; was just wondering since another addon i follow changed its ToC to 70000 already. i guess they shouldn't have done that |
| 16:29.50 | VIad | tbh dont matter |
| 16:30.01 | Predicate | Well, they may have discontinued compatibility with live |
| 16:30.11 | VIad | maybe |
| 16:30.30 | VIad | I myself just add a constant to check with the API if the interface is >=70k or not |
| 16:31.02 | Predicate | You can do that, but a better solution is to check the actual API you depend on. |
| 16:31.16 | VIad | debatable |
| 16:31.23 | VIad | if you know you work with legion api |
| 16:31.34 | VIad | its enough to check that the interface version is 70k or higher |
| 16:31.39 | Predicate | Legion API is still in flux... |
| 16:32.46 | VIad | the only issue I had with wowinterface was when I marked my addons 60000 then wowinterface decided to mark all my addons outdated at some point |
| 16:32.54 | LexSfX | i don't have an active subscription. i guess i'll just wait until Legion is out to update my small addons. those who want to use them can bug me via curseforge if they don't work in beta for now. |
| 16:32.55 | VIad | had to upload a new version just to bump the already updated addon :p |
| 16:33.53 | LexSfX | anyone interested in testing them, here they are: http://wow.curseforge.com/home/ :P |
| 16:33.58 | LexSfX | uh, that url sucks |
| 16:34.05 | VIad | thanks for the shortcut, LexSfX |
| 16:34.07 | LexSfX | http://wow.curseforge.com/profiles/alexfolland/ |
| 16:34.10 | LexSfX | better url |
| 16:34.30 | PhatsoTGT | because you have so much trust in your users that you rather update 5 numbers rather than expecting that your users would not freak out when the client said "Out of Date" ? |
| 16:35.06 | PhatsoTGT | those are quite the AddOn Names |
| 16:35.13 | LexSfX | descriptive :P |
| 16:35.33 | VIad | I suspect LexSfX is called alex folland |
| 16:35.33 | Predicate | It's not an issue of the client marking them so much as WoWI marking them. |
| 16:35.49 | LexSfX | VIad: yes |
| 16:36.05 | PhatsoTGT | WoWI ? |
| 16:36.26 | LexSfX | PhatsoTGT: he was responding to "<VIad> the only issue I had with wowinterface was when I marked my addons 60000 then wowinterface decided to mark all my addons outdated at some point" |
| 16:36.46 | VIad | jupp |
| 16:36.53 | PhatsoTGT | oh |
| 16:36.53 | VIad | wowinterface did a batch change on addons |
| 16:36.59 | Predicate | And you don't have to re-upload to fix that, just edit the addon and check the boxes for the versions it is compatible with (you should do that anyway). |
| 16:37.02 | VIad | and I remember I couldnt just check "updated for live" box without uploading a zip |
| 16:37.06 | VIad | nope |
| 16:37.12 | VIad | they locked that option at that point in time |
| 16:37.19 | VIad | it errored I had to upload a file :p |
| 16:37.35 | LexSfX | i like that curseforge packages everything for me; very convenient |
| 16:37.35 | VIad | so I just uploaded the same file, but was still a bit lame it didnt check toc |
| 16:38.03 | Predicate | The TOC can only have one value, so it's not very useful for listing all versions it's compatible with. |
| 16:38.26 | VIad | if the toc is set to the live toc you can assume the author updated it recently :p |
| 16:38.32 | VIad | with the new expansion in mind |
| 16:38.41 | Predicate | If the author updates it they can check the box for compatibility... |
| 16:38.50 | VIad | you dont understand |
| 16:39.03 | VIad | I uploaded the 60000 file some days before live, since beta access |
| 16:39.27 | VIad | then 60000 went live, wowi marked it was outdated, to mark it as live, I HAD to upload a new zip, I COULDN'T just check the box that it was ready for 6.X |
| 16:39.30 | Predicate | Unless they reset the 6.0 checkbox when it released, I don't see why that would be an issue. |
| 16:39.42 | VIad | it was a deliberate system to BLOCK you from just checking and saving without actually uploading a zip |
| 16:40.14 | VIad | I have only experienced this back when WOD came out, it does not seem to be something they keep around past release month or something |
| 16:40.20 | VIad | I am certain Cairenn can confirm this |
| 16:41.12 | Predicate | Right, but why didn't you check the 6.0 box when you confirmed it working during beta? |
| 16:41.21 | VIad | I told you |
| 16:41.22 | VIad | I did |
| 16:41.24 | VIad | then it went live |
| 16:41.30 | VIad | then wowi reset addon categories to outdated |
| 16:41.34 | VIad | and you had to upload a new zip |
| 16:41.38 | Predicate | So they did reset the compatibility setting? |
| 16:41.40 | VIad | yes |
| 16:41.51 | VIad | and enforced you to have to upload a zip in order to be able to check the box |
| 16:41.58 | Predicate | Ugh, I hope that doesn't happen this time :/ |
| 16:42.06 | VIad | it probably will if they found it a nice system |
| 16:42.26 | Predicate | What's the point in letting us check the box early if it doesn't stick? |
| 16:42.26 | VIad | so dont upload too early on wowi since you'd get marked outdated anyway at some point |
| 16:42.35 | VIad | because a lot of people dont actually update |
| 16:42.43 | VIad | and to avoid confusion, some work, some dont |
| 16:42.49 | VIad | they had a 100% working addons for 6.0 list |
| 16:42.59 | VIad | and only addons that did the procedure showed up |
| 16:43.10 | Predicate | If an author checks "compatible with 6.0" and it's not, that's the author's problem... |
| 16:43.22 | VIad | think they wanted people to really make sure it worked |
| 16:43.32 | VIad | like my Dresser addon is the same code basically since TBC |
| 16:43.43 | VIad | I only update the TOC, until legion, I decided to recode it :p |
| 16:43.52 | Predicate | I thought that was the purpose of having the checkbox to begin with. |
| 16:43.54 | VIad | but in the past I only toc bumped for ages |
| 16:44.06 | VIad | well it appears as outdated for users |
| 16:44.09 | PhatsoTGT | Twitter needs to die for disabling FullScreen in Youtube videos |
| 16:44.14 | VIad | hence why many just check the load outdated addons anyway |
| 16:44.38 | Predicate | I feel like you're conflating the TOC field with the WoWI checkboxes... |
| 16:45.12 | VIad | no |
| 16:45.26 | VIad | but if I am going to checkbox, I might as well upload a newer toc that is valid for the expansion at least :p |
| 16:45.37 | VIad | not that I do a good job but its nice |
| 16:45.51 | Predicate | Yes, but WoWI marking something "outdated" has no bearing on the "load out of date addons" checkbox in-game. |
| 16:46.59 | VIad | wowi should check toc |
| 16:47.07 | VIad | the checkboxes would be obscolete then |
| 16:47.16 | VIad | 60400? that means 6.4 ready |
| 16:47.21 | Predicate | That's not sufficient, because the checkboxes let you select multiple versions... |
| 16:47.27 | VIad | makes no sense |
| 16:47.37 | VIad | private server support? |
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| 16:47.43 | Predicate | Yes it does. Your transmog item might be compatible with all the 6.x patches, but not 7.x |
| 16:47.57 | VIad | and the toc would suffice in telling you that |
| 16:48.05 | Predicate | No it wouldn't. |
| 16:48.11 | VIad | well |
| 16:48.27 | Predicate | How can you tell the difference between a TOC 6.0 addon that works in 7.0, and a TOC 6.0 addon that breaks in 7.0? |
| 16:48.44 | Predicate | By letting the author specify the versions it will run on. |
| 16:48.48 | VIad | dont know if it is a problem, considering curse doesnt have that anyway |
| 16:49.02 | VIad | addons uploaded today work with the game version of today |
| 16:49.18 | Predicate | Not necessarily. |
| 16:49.23 | VIad | if you early release its your responsibility to indicate that, and there are ways of doing that without those checkboxes |
| 16:49.37 | VIad | checkboxes are primary to index the addons for wowi browsing feature |
| 16:49.41 | Predicate | Plenty of people are uploading 7.0 addons today, and plenty are uploading 6.0 addons that don't work on 7.0 |
| 16:50.23 | VIad | having the checkboxes all year around when they are actually helpful once every 3-4 years? |
| 16:50.34 | VIad | mostly a nuisance for most authors I would guess |
| 16:50.44 | VIad | toc bumps should suffice |
| 16:51.29 | VIad | I acknowledge your scenario, I just dont think the checkboxes are worth having all year around for every single update you do. |
| 16:51.31 | Predicate | TOC bumps don't suffice if you want to mark an addon ready for a future patch release... |
| 16:52.10 | Predicate | And the checkboxes are useful any time there's a new TOC version in beta/PTR, about to be released, released in some regions and not others, or just finished releasing. |
| 16:52.27 | VIad | curse is doing fine even without the checkboxes |
| 16:52.35 | VIad | proof that the checkboxes are not a must |
| 16:52.52 | Predicate | I don't know how Curse does things, but I imagine it has to do with their fancy metadata files. |
| 16:53.45 | VIad | you just write in title/desc that the addon is for 7.0 or what ever to avoid people being confused. and you can upload alternative downloads not marked as the main download, and have the future updates in pararell |
| 16:54.07 | Predicate | You can, but those are human readable, not machine readable (i.e. addon updaters). |
| 16:54.50 | VIad | curse has additional meta fields in the toc that they also read to categorize stuff better |
| 16:54.56 | VIad | shame wowi don't do that as well, it's handy |
| 16:55.03 | VIad | could avoid those checkboxes that way too :p |
| 16:55.24 | VIad | but thinking about it I just use the repository anyway so dont see checkboxes there |
| 16:55.26 | Predicate | Yeah, that seems like a decent solution, if we can get people to standardize on it |
| 16:55.40 | VIad | standarization xD |
| 16:55.50 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/version.png |
| 16:56.08 | VIad | I only use the packager feature |
| 16:56.16 | VIad | tbh I cant quite remember how it does it |
| 16:56.26 | VIad | I can push beta/release and such |
| 16:57.36 | Predicate | The problem with the TOC fields is that IIRC Curse's packager writes those itself, so it's kinda backwards of the way you'd want it. |
| 16:59.13 | VIad | from all this at least leave with one thing: please don't mark addons as oudated if the toc is updated for the right version :( |
| 16:59.46 | VIad | that is when legion is live, if addons toc file says 70000 dont mark it as outdated in the batch job :p |
| 17:00.03 | foxlit | there are already addons with a 70000 toc |
| 17:00.34 | Predicate | It's only looking at the checkboxes, i.e. what authors have specifically claimed their addon is compatible with. |
| 17:00.57 | Predicate | Not the TOC field, which lists only one version, and may need to be set differently for any number of reasons. |
| 17:01.39 | VIad | yeah. I too have my addons legion ready. havent uploaded any yet, but doubt the features I use will get changed until live. |
| 17:01.53 | Predicate | Peeking inside the zip to check the TOC adds an extra step that shouldn't make a difference if people are marking their uploads correctly. |
| 17:02.19 | VIad | using the packagers kind of makes it easier though |
| 17:02.35 | VIad | if you define stuff in the toc, as the packager zips it |
| 17:07.58 | VIad | Predicate: mostly salty on the forced outdated flagging when toc was updated some days earlier :( |
| 17:08.07 | VIad | haunts me in my sleep to this day |
| 17:10.48 | Predicate | The issue isn't that you updated the TOC, it's that you checked the box for 6.0 compatibility and that was reset/ignored. |
| 17:11.04 | VIad | or the box wasnt added early enough |
| 17:11.05 | VIad | can' |
| 17:11.10 | VIad | can't remember this late :p |
| 17:11.16 | Predicate | Well that'd be an issue too :P |
| 17:14.12 | VIad | hehe |
| 17:14.22 | VIad | back in the day I made an addon to rate LFD people |
| 17:14.30 | VIad | back when the queue was limited to server group |
| 17:14.37 | VIad | you often saw the same guys ;d |
| 17:15.24 | VIad | amusing to see the abandoned stuff |
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| 17:17.05 | VIad | Semlar: I am looking at my candybuckets, I depends on astrolabe atm |
| 17:17.11 | VIad | how is our stance on astrolabe? |
| 17:17.41 | Predicate | Pretty sure it's deprecated in favor of HereBeDragons |
| 17:18.09 | VIad | I will miss Esamynn |
| 17:18.12 | VIad | he was a good guy |
| 17:18.16 | VIad | hope he still lives :( |
| 17:22.08 | VIad | nevcairiel: nice work on here be dragons. seems nice and clean |
| 17:22.17 | VIad | had time to look into it on legion? |
| 17:22.50 | Stanzilla | I want to electrocute people over the internet |
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| 17:23.28 | VIad | what did I do this time, Stanzilla? |
| 17:24.14 | Stanzilla | not look at the commits on HBD |
| 17:24.49 | Predicate | Is there a way to see those on the web? |
| 17:25.06 | Stanzilla | every file has a changelog on wowace |
| 17:25.30 | Predicate | Right, but that doesn't show anything for commits that didn't go into a zip. |
| 17:25.44 | Predicate | Every file for HBD is for 6.x |
| 17:25.47 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowace.com/addons/herebedragons/files/60-1-09-release-7-gf332f4f/ |
| 17:25.55 | Stanzilla | ?_? |
| 17:26.10 | VIad | oh 7.0 :o |
| 17:26.33 | Predicate | Oh, I see, I didn't realize the changes were merged into the main branch. |
| 17:26.48 | VIad | I've seen nevcairiel branch for several game versions before |
| 17:26.53 | VIad | odd he didn't for legion |
| 17:27.00 | VIad | maybe because he has backwards comp |
| 17:27.09 | VIad | and just keeps it in one branch |
| 17:27.12 | VIad | less work :p |
| 17:27.19 | Predicate | Since most of the changes to this one would be data and not API, compat would be pretty easy to preserve. |
| 17:27.50 | VIad | could have marked it as 7.x compat |
| 17:28.04 | VIad | unless that ruins something I am not aware about |
| 17:28.54 | Predicate | Is it not? I can't figure out how to see that on WowAce. |
| 17:28.56 | mckenziemc | is unaware of VIad's impending ruin. |
| 17:29.14 | VIad | mckenziemc: enjoy the fireworks :d |
| 17:29.35 | Predicate | As far as I can tell, all that will show here is the TOC version. |
| 17:29.47 | VIad | Predicate: game version on the table on wowace says 6.2.4 |
| 17:30.02 | Predicate | Yes, as it should. |
| 17:30.45 | VIad | if it was updated to work with legion and backwards compat, why? |
| 17:31.18 | Predicate | Because 6.2.4 is live, and 7.0 is >live. |
| 17:31.30 | zenzelezz | larger than life? |
| 17:31.36 | VIad | ^ |
| 17:32.12 | Predicate | I don't think you understand the problem with TOCs greater than the current version. In the past, you literally couldn't load them at all - they'd be marked "Incompatible", not just "Out of Date". |
| 17:32.26 | VIad | how far in the past? |
| 17:32.31 | VIad | vanilla? |
| 17:32.51 | Predicate | No, TBC through MoP-ish? |
| 17:33.42 | Predicate | Not exactly sure when they stopped doing that, because it was something most people carefully avoided. |
| 17:33.54 | VIad | lucky we dont have to do that anymore :d |
| 17:34.22 | Predicate | Still, there's no reason an addon should go from current to "Out of Date" when a user updates it. |
| 17:34.32 | Predicate | Not everyone uses the checkbox you're so fond of. |
| 17:34.32 | VIad | HBD is a library |
| 17:34.42 | Predicate | It's still an addon. |
| 17:34.42 | VIad | doubt many users install it as standalone :p |
| 17:35.18 | Predicate | All the more reason that TOC version isn't a reliable method of detecting the "latest compatible version". |
| 17:35.19 | VIad | in this case it would mostly appeal to other addon guys to quickly spot that its updated for legion, within reasonable bounds given its still beta |
| 17:35.30 | Predicate | An out-of-date TOC field in a library can go unnoticed for a long time. |
| 17:35.58 | VIad | going to check out HBD on legion soon, was waiting for a newer addon for that, since astrolabe is gone :( |
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| 17:41.11 | VIad | <3 Seerah |
| 17:52.47 | karl_w_w | if I log out of my bank's mobile app, it also logs me out from the website on my PC |
| 17:52.48 | mckenziemc | </3 VIad |
| 17:52.55 | VIad | :'( mckenziemc |
| 17:53.45 | Rythal | Astrolab was the bane of my existence and made me touch code in naughty places that angered many other people :( |
| 17:58.03 | VIad | HBD seems much cleaner though, Rythal |
| 17:58.05 | Fisker | I think Seerah can be heyed |
| 17:58.14 | VIad | I heyed her but she didn't respond |
| 17:58.46 | Fisker | Not a hey |
| 17:59.00 | Rythal | Yes it is... it was with much releif after most things went the HBD that I was able to remove the evil lines of code taking over SetMapByID and SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 17:59.49 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:00.04 | Seerah | hi, guys |
| 18:01.12 | mckenziemc | 'los Fisker. |
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| 18:29.36 | VIad | seems like HBD on legion errors because GetNumDungeonMapLevels() is nil when the code loads |
| 18:29.42 | VIad | but is populated at a later stage |
| 18:30.04 | Predicate | The latest alpha zip contains a fix for that... |
| 18:30.33 | VIad | oh right |
| 18:30.42 | VIad | I DLed a older zip |
| 18:39.26 | Torhal | stabs VIad with an L. |
| 18:40.13 | VIad | thanks Torhal |
| 18:40.30 | Torhal | You're welcome. Now I try to go back to sleep. |
| 18:44.23 | mckenziemc | gives Torhal L. |
| 18:48.45 | Simca | <VIad> Predicate: game version on the table on wowace says 6.2.4 |
| 18:49.00 | Simca | there is literally not a 7.0 option... |
| 18:49.21 | VIad | Simca: (18:55:49) foxlit: https://go-hero.net/i/version.png |
| 18:49.48 | Simca | huh, that must be new |
| 18:50.08 | Predicate | Yeah, took them a little longer than WoWI but they got it added. |
| 18:50.57 | [TOM_RUS] | 7.0 option was on curse for quite a while now |
| 18:51.11 | Simca | wasn't 2 weeks ago |
| 18:52.09 | Simca | now if only the Curse Client checked client binary version and only downloaded addons equal to or less than its installed client version |
| 18:52.22 | Stanzilla | ^ |
| 18:52.45 | Zeldo | I will put that request in for the new client |
| 18:52.47 | Stanzilla | Simca: i had them add it like 1.5 weeks ago |
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| 19:00.40 | Stanzilla | https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2016/06/08/tmux-support-arrives-for-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windows/ |
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| 19:05.04 | Primer | And all of that has been possible with cygwin for how long now? |
| 19:05.08 | Primer | decades? |
| 19:06.10 | Stanzilla | native > cygwin |
| 19:06.26 | Primer | uhh, this shit is native? |
| 19:06.31 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 19:06.39 | kd3 | it's inverse-wine, basically |
| 19:06.41 | Primer | I didn't mean to phrase it as an actual question |
| 19:06.58 | Primer | I meant to imply cygwin is native |
| 19:07.02 | Miiru | suramar questing is fulled implemented? |
| 19:07.11 | PhatsoTGT | cygwin isnt native |
| 19:07.12 | PhatsoTGT | like |
| 19:07.13 | PhatsoTGT | wut |
| 19:07.19 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/VDrscXG7 << mildly annoying implementation: sort this. |
| 19:07.31 | Primer | So you're telling me bash.exe is not a windows executable? |
| 19:07.46 | PhatsoTGT | what you are seeing isnt bash |
| 19:07.49 | PhatsoTGT | like |
| 19:07.50 | PhatsoTGT | wut |
| 19:08.19 | Primer | You lost me...I've been using cygwin on windows literally for decades |
| 19:08.25 | PhatsoTGT | its a regular unix terminal emulated by native means inside windows |
| 19:08.27 | Primer | and I have a bash terminal |
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| 19:08.42 | Primer | tell me what's not "native" about it other than the file system stuff |
| 19:08.45 | PhatsoTGT | windows bash and the unix terminal are greatly different things |
| 19:10.31 | Primer | really |
| 19:10.54 | Primer | I guess I'll be sticking with cygwin then |
| 19:11.33 | PhatsoTGT | foxlit |
| 19:11.34 | PhatsoTGT | http://hastebin.com/pavokuceca.md |
| 19:11.52 | PhatsoTGT | next time do http://textmechanic.com/text-tools/basic-text-tools/sort-text-lines/ |
| 19:13.20 | PhatsoTGT | put that page in your bookmakrs |
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| 19:14.02 | Simca | wasn't it already sorted? |
| 19:14.52 | PhatsoTGT | i didnt check |
| 19:14.57 | PhatsoTGT | i was following orders |
| 19:15.11 | Simca | lol |
| 19:15.47 | Simca | yeah, only difference between the two files is that foxlit's sorting values '_' over AZ09, and yours is the reverse |
| 19:15.58 | Simca | err, I have that backwards |
| 19:16.25 | Simca | anyway, they're both sorted, by different definitions of sorted |
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| 19:16.57 | Primer | Maybe you should have piped to sort in bash... |
| 19:17.02 | Primer | runs |
| 19:18.24 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/CpxSZmNP << for reference, the "proper" order fragment. |
| 19:19.29 | foxlit | er, http://pastebin.com/S8nD1F1m, the PRIORITYS line was a stray |
| 19:28.46 | Stanzilla | anyone on legion atm and can dump me the class color for demonhunters? |
| 19:29.14 | kd3 | we've got it on the wiki |
| 19:29.21 | kd3 | wowpedia.org/Class_colors |
| 19:29.21 | Stanzilla | a right |
| 19:29.38 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 19:30.16 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Util.lua#13 |
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| 19:39.21 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lfJ5WSpiWA |
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| 20:12.35 | nevcairiel | VIad: i do branches when complex changes or partial rewrites are required, and generally avoid branches for libraries to keep other authors troubles low |
| 20:13.00 | VIad | and I love you for it, nevcairiel <3 |
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| 22:37.42 | foxlit | NUM_LE_VAS_ERROR_MESSAGES = 20035 << go home, enum, you're drunk. |
| 22:38.34 | mckenziemc | errs on the side of foxlit. |
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| 23:19.05 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/Helix/LuaEnum.lua/diff |
| 23:19.33 | foxlit | I think my syntax highligher doesn't like me. |
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| 23:26.30 | mckenziemc | inconsistent newline sequences? |
| 23:30.49 | foxlit | I suspect it's just an outdated list of names somewhere. |
| 23:42.26 | foxlit | or not, it picks up on some 7.0 stuff. It just doesn't know about things which are never actually used. |
