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| 00:12.52 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/738160417604698113 yay |
| 00:13.14 | Munk | What's that in GMT |
| 00:13.26 | Munk | *refuses to google* |
| 00:14.21 | Gnarfoz | then you'll have to math |
| 00:14.28 | Gnarfoz | but which country uses GMT right now? |
| 00:14.35 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 00:14.44 | Munk | GMT+1 Swedenland |
| 00:14.45 | Gnarfoz | (it should be 00:00) |
| 00:15.10 | Gnarfoz | UTC+1~~~ |
| 00:15.24 | Gnarfoz | is Swedenland free of the curse of DST? |
| 00:15.38 | Munk | Nope. |
| 00:15.57 | Munk | Would be weird if we weren't, considering we have so little daylight in the winter. |
| 00:15.59 | Gnarfoz | then... you should investigate your actual UTC offset |
| 00:16.06 | Munk | Lol |
| 00:16.31 | Gnarfoz | which is probably +2 right now, not +1, unless you somehow are not in DST in June |
| 00:17.12 | Munk | Why can't we have universal time |
| 00:18.48 | Gnarfoz | we do |
| 00:19.08 | Gnarfoz | but look at what you just did: you used GMT instead of UTC! :D |
| 00:19.15 | Gnarfoz | we'll never get anywhere that way ;) |
| 00:19.37 | Gnarfoz | anyway: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20160602T16&p1=137&p2=239 |
| 00:19.49 | Munk | Everytime they schedule something in NA, I have to google the time zones because I can't remember them. |
| 00:20.34 | Gnarfoz | be thankful they don't schedule stuff for 12pm or you'd have to figure out if that's midnight or noon, too |
| 00:20.41 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 00:21.01 | Munk | Do the English use AM/PM? |
| 00:21.37 | mckenziemc | speaking of which, people sometimes complain about numbering often starting at 0 in computer contexts, but they're perfectly fine with 12:00 being the first minute of the day |
| 00:21.39 | Munk | We use it verbally in Swedish, but not in writing. |
| 00:22.33 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_representation_by_country#Time |
| 00:23.26 | Seerah | mckenziemc: it's not the first minute, it's the first hour :p |
| 00:23.52 | mckenziemc | 12 is, 12:00 is the first minute |
| 00:24.00 | Gnarfoz | but 12 is noon! |
| 00:24.04 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:24.05 | Munk | 00:00 |
| 00:24.13 | Gnarfoz | Munk: no way |
| 00:24.20 | Munk | 00:00 -> 23:59 |
| 00:24.27 | Munk | Rinse and repeat. |
| 00:24.27 | Gnarfoz | I like 23:59:60, personally |
| 00:24.45 | Seerah | no such thing |
| 00:24.48 | Gnarfoz | there is such a thing. |
| 00:24.59 | Munk | What? No there isn't. |
| 00:25.01 | mckenziemc | first minute still starts with :00, Munk |
| 00:25.04 | Gnarfoz | sure there is. leap second. |
| 00:25.06 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 00:25.19 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second |
| 00:26.11 | Munk | You learn something new every day. |
| 00:26.38 | Gnarfoz | Munk: funnily enough, you learned this on june 2nd, while others did on june 1st |
| 00:26.45 | Munk | :D |
| 00:26.49 | Gnarfoz | time zones are magic |
| 00:26.53 | Gnarfoz | let's all revert to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time |
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| 00:28.39 | kd3 | heh. I had one of those watches as a kid |
| 00:30.30 | mckenziemc | binary time, Gnarfoz |
| 00:30.37 | Gnarfoz | I wanted one, but I only had a Pop Swatch http://www.swatchandbeyond.com/published/publicdata/SHOPDATA/attachments/SC/products_pictures/Rush%20Hour%20PWBB109%20Pop%20Swatch.JPG |
| 00:30.45 | Gnarfoz | the one you could attach to basically any fabric |
| 00:31.07 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: it's time, or it's not time - that's all anyone ever needs to know? |
| 00:31.15 | mckenziemc | ): |
| 00:33.52 | Gnarfoz | not sure why they don't just turn off the pve realms if they want focused testing :D |
| 00:34.31 | Munk | Would be annoying as a developer to deal with random gankers. |
| 00:34.47 | Gnarfoz | stand in a city. |
| 00:34.54 | Munk | Can't test everything in a city :) |
| 00:35.03 | Gnarfoz | wait a maximum of 24 hours |
| 00:35.25 | Gnarfoz | (or go onto the pvp realm :o) |
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| 00:53.05 | Mr_Rabies | swatch internet time makes me nostalgic for phantasy star online, Gnarfoz |
| 01:05.49 | Semlar | Guill: now that GetModel() was removed, we don't actually have any way to know when a model has been loaded and is ready to do things like set the camera |
| 01:07.38 | Guill | Semlar: What about OnModelLoaded? |
| 01:08.46 | Semlar | was that recently added? it's not in the widget diff |
| 01:09.08 | Guill | Looks like it was added in 6.0 |
| 01:09.28 | Semlar | like model:SetScript('OnModelLoaded') ? |
| 01:09.33 | Guill | Yup |
| 01:10.36 | Semlar | Simca: why isn't OnModelLoaded in your widget list |
| 01:11.47 | Semlar | or anyone's |
| 01:13.32 | Semlar | are there more script handlers we don't know about o.o |
| 01:17.05 | Semlar | i don't know what to believe any more |
| 01:17.06 | Torhal | I think there might be an OnScrollFrameAbuse script handler, Semlar. |
| 01:19.00 | Semlar | i don't know how you even get a list of script handlers for a frame |
| 01:19.38 | Torhal | Good question :/ |
| 01:21.06 | Semlar | *queue guill mentioning some previously never-heard-of widget method* |
| 01:22.13 | Guill | Should be easy. for str in lexicogenerator() do if widget:HasScript(str) then print(str) end end |
| 01:22.25 | Guill | Might take a little while to run |
| 01:22.29 | Semlar | ah yes, the old brute force method |
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| 01:58.03 | mckenziemc | help, Torhal |
| 01:58.07 | mckenziemc | i need more RAM |
| 01:58.11 | mckenziemc | 16 GB isn't enough :( |
| 01:58.21 | Torhal | mckenziemc: http://downloadmoreram.com/ |
| 01:59.07 | Primer | I recently had a situation where 32g of ram wasn't enough |
| 01:59.28 | Primer | loading OSM's planet.pbf into postgres |
| 02:07.00 | mckenziemc | chrome's using upwards of 5 GB :( |
| 02:07.26 | Primer | You must have a tab parked on wowhead.com |
| 02:08.08 | Primer | without ad blocking |
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| 02:14.16 | relaxok | lol |
| 02:14.37 | Primer | You think I'm kidding? |
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| 03:48.01 | Fisker | hgus Cairenn |
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| 07:39.20 | VIad | my friend is struggling to win beta key for legion :( |
| 07:48.04 | VIad | I wish I could borrow him my key - or can I borrow him my account? =:o |
| 07:48.15 | VIad | was it okay to share accounts family and friends? |
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| 08:03.57 | Draik | Hey All |
| 08:06.19 | Draik | Don't know if anyone can help but I have a mod that I am trying to split into 2 halves. How do I get the two halves to communicate? Ie I have a table in mod1 that I want mod2 to be able to see and add to |
| 08:28.09 | Gnarfoz | VIad: s/borrow/lend/ |
| 08:28.54 | Gnarfoz | Draik: either make the table variable global and give it a sufficiently unique name, or use the addon namespace system (which won't help you if they're actually separate addons with different names) |
| 08:31.25 | Draik | so make it _G[myrandomtablename] ? |
| 08:32.30 | Gnarfoz | in essence, yeah, but you can just use the regular syntax, variables are global by default anyway |
| 08:33.04 | Gnarfoz | MyAddon_SuperCoolTable = {} |
| 08:34.41 | Gnarfoz | as long as you define it in the main chunk or don't use the "local" keyword, you should be fine (and the "long" name is just to avoid conflicts in the global namespace. Someone else might be using a variable that's simply named "sharedtable", so a unique-ish prefix is the go-to solution) |
| 08:36.50 | Gnarfoz | more info: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Lua_variable_scoping |
| 08:43.12 | VIad | Draik, Gnarfoz: I prefer the local addonName, ns = ... approach in the lua files |
| 08:43.52 | VIad | if it is a modular system, like several other addons acting is easy on/off way to turn modules on or off, then you haveto global scope, but can still limit yourself to one global variable they can access |
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| 08:58.53 | Draik | at the moment i have local MYADDON, Table = ... in the core of the mod and I also I created MyAddon_table = {} and then MyAddon_table = Table. When these were all the one physical mod, i'd start each sub file with local MYADDON, Table = ... and then Table['key'] = stuff I'm now going local Table = MyAddon_Table and things seem to be appearing but im getting a null when trying to reference the stuff |
| 09:03.04 | Gnarfoz | if the files are not part of the same .toc file, the namespace thing shouldn't work, from my understanding. which is why I suggested the (classic) global variable approach |
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| 10:00.08 | VIad | yes I am aware if you have differnet addons, namespace is only limited to the toc |
| 10:00.36 | VIad | in that case I'd use something like _G[addonName .. "Namespace"] or what ever, make it unique, and just use that as the namespace :p |
| 10:00.41 | VIad | _G[] = ns maybe? |
| 10:00.56 | VIad | in the core, and have the modules just use _G[] as their ns |
| 10:01.07 | VIad | many ways to do it. just dont make one global variable per module :( |
| 10:03.24 | Gnarfoz | why the "_G[] = ns" detour? isn't "variable = ns" just the same? |
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| 12:02.43 | VIad | Gnarfoz: the _G[] = ns is to store the main addons namespace into the globalscope |
| 12:03.01 | VIad | and the plugins can then use that as their namespace, rather than the native one |
| 12:06.53 | Gnarfoz | well, myaddonglobalns = ns then |
| 12:07.21 | VIad | http://pastebin.com/raw/wadnx7Tc |
| 12:07.25 | Gnarfoz | why the _G[] syntax, is my question. doesn't mine do the same? |
| 12:07.45 | VIad | I guess the game loads alphabetically so you can just trim down some of the code |
| 12:08.02 | Gnarfoz | mine looks way simpler to read |
| 12:08.07 | Gnarfoz | does it do the same thing? |
| 12:08.35 | foxlit | yes. |
| 12:08.56 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 12:09.16 | VIad | I prefer using the addonName to salt the variables in case I wish to copy paste the shell, and easily strip away the stuff I dont need |
| 12:09.25 | VIad | if I am touching the global scope that is |
| 12:09.33 | VIad | I guess it doesnt really matter |
| 12:09.44 | VIad | its the same idea |
| 12:10.01 | VIad | just don't _G.T = {} :p |
| 12:10.52 | VIad | very bad idea to leak letters like that. there is an addon leaking some function T, I noticed since I use one letters when just debugging dumping stuff while playing and noticed some other addon used that, so I broke it when overriding it :d |
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| 12:17.01 | VIad | I often use UIParent.MyAddon = {} because no one thinks to ever store stuff in the UIParent |
| 12:17.47 | nevcairiel | luckily i never had the need to use one of VIad's addons |
| 12:18.57 | VIad | :p |
| 12:20.02 | VIad | they don't exist |
| 12:20.08 | VIad | probably why |
| 12:20.20 | VIad | but really, never used any of my addons? :< |
| 12:23.05 | VIad | most proud of MiniLoot/Dresser/Candy Buckets |
| 12:26.20 | Torhal | TIL VIad salts variables. |
| 12:26.24 | Torhal | goes to bed. |
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| 13:04.32 | VIad | any food is better with salt |
| 13:07.31 | Gnarfoz | Twitch chat would agree |
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| 13:25.55 | VIad | setmetatable(_G,{}) |
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| 13:51.03 | NuSuey | so.. I was wondering if the opengl renderer is still present in WoW Legion alpha/beta .. since I used it when I played WoW on Linux :) anyone knows? |
| 13:56.36 | Gnarfoz | since they still have a Mac version, I'd assume so |
| 13:58.16 | NuSuey | seems you are right, found a tweet from sombody https://twitter.com/slavezeo/status/730882440445624321 |
| 13:58.28 | NuSuey | so I assume so.. thx :) |
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| 14:07.29 | Alram | just not on windows i think |
| 14:10.08 | NuSuey | well it needs to work on windows to be able to use it in linux since that is running a windows client in a compactibility layer .. well anyways .. sorry for offtopic :) |
| 14:23.14 | karl_w_w | I'll run you on windows if you're not careful |
| 14:41.12 | Alram | hmm interesting NuSuey |
| 14:41.15 | Alram | its not in my dropdown of APIs |
| 14:41.27 | Alram | command line flag or setting gxApi doesnt work either |
| 14:41.33 | Alram | maybe they have a check for wine |
| 14:47.33 | Simca | doesn't mac client have option between metal and opengl? |
| 14:54.51 | Gnarfoz | they only support Glam Metal |
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| 16:41.14 | fewyn | so when you play arcade machines what kind of joystick do you like? Bats or balls? http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/images/large/compred_LRG.jpg http://groovygamegear.com/Store_Images/LeafProSplash.jpg |
| 16:42.32 | NodusCursorius | Bats. I tend to have motions where I just use my thumb or a finger to apply a certain amount of pressure. Gripping the ball structure gives me less fine control over that, for myself. |
| 16:42.54 | fewyn | yeah that's what my opinion was but i just wanted a wider variety of answers :D |
| 16:43.00 | fewyn | only time i like the ball sticks is for pacman |
| 16:43.42 | NodusCursorius | That's a good example. The ball feels more like a directional pad and less like an analog, due to where you control the force of things. |
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| 17:07.51 | Kesava | i'm sure we could swap some words around here |
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| 17:16.38 | zenzelezz | "Military station maintenance is now correctly discounted by 25% instead of increased by 75%" - heh (Stellaris) |
| 17:22.17 | mckenziemc | swaps Kesava with a casaba melon. |
| 17:24.29 | Fisker | hugs Seerah |
| 17:24.48 | Seerah | it's too hot and muggy today for hugs :( |
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| 17:29.11 | Semlar | mugs seerah |
| 17:29.21 | mckenziemc | hugs Semlar. |
| 17:29.28 | Semlar | no it's too muggy |
| 17:29.40 | mckenziemc | not here! |
| 17:29.48 | Semlar | oh okay |
| 17:30.51 | Fisker | Oh OK Seerah |
| 17:30.55 | Fisker | Let me just wave then |
| 17:31.05 | Seerah | waves at Fisker |
| 17:31.15 | Semlar | don't encourage him |
| 17:31.15 | Fisker | :) |
| 17:31.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:31.32 | Semlar | hey fisker i |
| 17:31.45 | Fisker | No |
| 17:32.01 | Semlar | :( |
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| 18:45.46 | FireSiku | So, sister laptop decided that "Clicking the Red X on Upd" meant "Yes, I want to install Win10" |
| 18:45.57 | FireSiku | They're getting really desperate about it. |
| 18:46.23 | FireSiku | s/on Upd/on Update Window |
| 18:47.46 | fewyn | just install it |
| 18:47.51 | fewyn | it's not as bad as you make it out to be |
| 18:48.57 | FireSiku | I've been using Windows 10 myself since it came out. I quite like it. |
| 18:49.20 | FireSiku | Doesn't mean I think that's a really underhanded way to force people to upgrade. |
| 18:49.35 | FireSiku | I dont think* |
| 18:49.41 | fewyn | there's a way to completely disable it |
| 18:49.52 | fewyn | i'd prefer if my family members install it |
| 18:50.00 | fewyn | so i don't have to fuck with old software anymore |
| 18:50.05 | FireSiku | haha |
| 18:50.06 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, I'm going to say something that will be terribly unpopular until you hear the entire thing. |
| 18:50.13 | NodusCursorius | Are you willing to hear my few lines out? |
| 18:50.20 | FireSiku | Sure. |
| 18:50.31 | Stanzilla | "suck a dick" |
| 18:50.52 | FireSiku | That's barely a line Stanzilla. |
| 18:51.09 | NodusCursorius | You are intelligent and responsible when it comes to technology and software. The sheer number of compromised computers that are linked into botnets is evidence of how the majority of the Windows userbase is not like you. |
| 18:52.08 | NodusCursorius | For almost 16 years Microsoft has given a respectable level of user-control (admin as default, detailed update information) and reigned it slowly in as the userbase has proven irresponsible. |
| 18:52.40 | NodusCursorius | At which point, now Microsoft has a responsibility of reducing damage caused due to outdated software or systems. |
| 18:53.28 | NodusCursorius | As anyone who has worked in tech support, of any sort, for any period of time will likely confess to: I am more about the very real possibility of them swallowing their own tongues than their modem connection or missing file. |
| 18:54.00 | NodusCursorius | We, the titans, are a minority. Which is why the option and configuration still exists but is largely tucked behind things that would confuse, or annoy, the stupid-yet-curious. |
| 18:55.20 | fewyn | ^ |
| 18:55.35 | fewyn | this is why every computer in my family is now windows 10 |
| 18:55.48 | NodusCursorius | Underhanded? Yes. Does the targeted userbase deserve the choice? History has proven that to be only destructive. |
| 18:56.27 | fewyn | there are ways for people to turn it off tho, it involves registery changes |
| 18:56.38 | fewyn | if you REALLY don't want windows 10 |
| 18:56.48 | NodusCursorius | Even with Windows 10 and the "forced updates". It can be disabled completely, reverted to how Windows prior handled updates. But -not- where the curious-yet-stupid will look, due to effort. |
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| 18:57.07 | zenzelezz | win.ini |
| 18:57.12 | fewyn | i actually like the way updates are handled as more of a power user |
| 18:57.13 | NodusCursorius | Or, to tl;dr "This is why we can't have nice things" |
| 18:57.57 | fewyn | i also like that updates come out as needed |
| 18:58.01 | fewyn | instead of just on patch tuesdays |
| 18:59.18 | NodusCursorius | Example of the curious-yet-stupid: People who disable the pagefile |
| 18:59.50 | nebula | but why would i want that wasting space on my ssd |
| 18:59.51 | NodusCursorius | The pagefile is not just used for when RAM is ejecting contents but when the system detects that the RAM is under tremendous access strain and a data-write (based on the system information of your drive) would be faster. |
| 18:59.51 | nebula | pfffft |
| 19:00.00 | fewyn | i don't have the page file enabled on my c: drive |
| 19:00.03 | fewyn | because it's an SSD |
| 19:00.07 | NodusCursorius | Which is fine. |
| 19:00.17 | fewyn | i do have the page file on my regular drive |
| 19:00.26 | fewyn | but i think windows should be smarter about page files re:ssd |
| 19:00.34 | NodusCursorius | My point was more: We have these stupid underhanded moves because of the user who is smart enough to google and edit the registry, but not smart enough to research. |
| 19:01.03 | fewyn | yep |
| 19:01.34 | NodusCursorius | Thus: X to install, because we gave you an entire year, and now you're the weakest security link on the botnet. |
| 19:01.58 | fewyn | i still don't get why people still hate windows 8 tho |
| 19:02.38 | NodusCursorius | The same reason why people hate Dark Souls II, I imagine. Legitimate, but subjective, complaints urged on by people who heard the complaint but not the solution. |
| 19:02.54 | fewyn | that sounds about right |
| 19:03.10 | fewyn | when i try to explain that to people they get angry at me tho |
| 19:03.23 | fewyn | RAAH RAAH I HATE CHANGE RAAH RAHH GET YOUR PITCHFORKS RAAH RAAH |
| 19:03.27 | NodusCursorius | For instance, I loved the full-screen start menu. Or rather, was at least indifferent. When selecting the start menu my eyes are not reviewing the desktop or windows. They are only reading that windowX. |
| 19:03.36 | FireSiku | I like that you picked DS2 as an example. I have so many issues with it. |
| 19:03.48 | NodusCursorius | :) |
| 19:04.25 | FireSiku | I didnt like the full screen Metro UI, but as a side panel to the start menu, I love it. |
| 19:04.54 | fewyn | windows 10 took the concepts i liked about windows 8 and made a comprimise |
| 19:05.14 | NodusCursorius | I feel the 10 iteration was an improvement, yes. But not for the argument of "it takes up the entire screen" that was so oft spouted on the Reddits. |
| 19:06.03 | NodusCursorius | fewyn, I like that choice of wording. I agree with it, too. |
| 19:07.27 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, thank you for hearing me out. I appreciate your patience. Thoughts? |
| 19:07.30 | FireSiku | Well, I never made it a point to make a huge war against Win8 or be part of the hate train. For me it was just "Eh, Not really a fan of that. Ill pass" |
| 19:08.12 | NodusCursorius | nods |
| 19:08.14 | Kesava | full screen was terrible windows 8 sucks microsoft suck |
| 19:08.16 | Kesava | there you go |
| 19:08.33 | FireSiku | As far as unpopular opinion goes, you left me disappointed. |
| 19:08.56 | FireSiku | Kesava: 7/10, did not call them "micro$oft" |
| 19:09.13 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, Dark Souls II is better in most ways than Dark Souls III. No sarcasm. Better? |
| 19:09.23 | NodusCursorius | drops all the gloves |
| 19:09.37 | NodusCursorius | Throw. Or is it throw? Does one throw down gloves or drop them? |
| 19:09.38 | FireSiku | Okay. Now I got my money's worth. |
| 19:10.05 | Unkle | 1/10 Did not say "Get Linux, N00b" or "Get a Mac, LAWL". |
| 19:10.34 | FireSiku | Very relevant to discussion: http://i.imgur.com/396Uw7u.jpg |
| 19:10.55 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku++; |
| 19:11.49 | Kesava | in all seriousness if i could game on linux i would not be using windows. |
| 19:11.57 | Kesava | but alas it has been the year of the linux desktop for the past 5 years now |
| 19:12.19 | Kesava | amazing a piece of work |
| 19:12.27 | Kesava | .... * as wine is, it's not exactly great. |
| 19:12.39 | NodusCursorius | I spent the majority of my teen/young adult life on Linux to urge that process, along with other projects. |
| 19:12.52 | NodusCursorius | 2016 - They're still completing DX9. |
| 19:14.19 | FireSiku | I still need to make some partition space to install Linux, because I want to make a hearthstone card generator but the library I need only works on Linux. |
| 19:14.26 | NodusCursorius | Kesava, then you have the "just dual boot" individuals. Which ignores how gaming usually involves an entire workflow, especially for authors, reverse engineers, and similar. |
| 19:14.36 | Kesava | indeed |
| 19:14.40 | NodusCursorius | Which library, FireSiku? |
| 19:14.44 | FireSiku | Torch |
| 19:15.29 | NodusCursorius | Hm, can't find it. Mind linking the project? |
| 19:16.16 | Unkle | I use all three major flavors of OS daily. Each as it's own strengths and weaknesses. I strongly doubt we're anywhere near having "one OS for everything." |
| 19:16.44 | FireSiku | http://torch.ch/ and then I would use https://github.com/karpathy/char-rnn to learn from the dataset. |
| 19:17.06 | NodusCursorius | When Linux has something I can not reproduce, I'll consider it. Until then that list has been clean for years, hence the switch. |
| 19:17.11 | NodusCursorius | Thank you, FireSiku |
| 19:17.58 | FireSiku | I managed to get it all working on a VM, but then I hit a snag when I was stuck using CPU processing and couldn't use OpenCL. |
| 19:18.11 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, char-mn is the Linux-only? |
| 19:19.03 | FireSiku | Torch is, or at least was, last time i checked. |
| 19:19.32 | NodusCursorius | https://github.com/torch/torch7/blob/eb8d7f2752f2b714135b862d148600c60329ac26/rocks/torch-scm-1.rockspec#L28 |
| 19:19.37 | NodusCursorius | Should be plenty Windows buildable. |
| 19:21.00 | NodusCursorius | Patches added last year to fix Mingw32 compiling for Windows, as well - https://github.com/torch/torch7/pull/287 - Already merged to master. |
| 19:23.12 | NodusCursorius | Even a fix ~24 hours ago - https://github.com/torch/torch7/pull/694 |
| 19:23.27 | NodusCursorius | Looks like it should compile just fine with everything form MingW to Visual Studio :D |
| 19:26.51 | FireSiku | Guess I'll try it again on Windows. I just remember trying last time (it was roughly a year ago) and having lots of issues and just gave up. Time to try again. |
| 19:41.05 | Kesava | ..... so windows just random set the multiple displays option to "show only on 2" |
| 19:41.14 | Kesava | randomly* |
| 19:41.16 | Kesava | gj |
| 19:43.47 | zenzelezz | are you certain that was Windows and not somehow your videocard driver? |
| 19:47.58 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 19:49.00 | Kesava | well, the driver didn't crash, the game i was running was still working, and all i had to do to "fix" it was set it back to extend |
| 19:50.33 | NodusCursorius | I'm familiar with this bug on 7-10, but not as a random event. |
| 19:52.14 | mckenziemc | maybe it was the casaba melon juice |
| 19:53.09 | NodusCursorius | Kesava, graphics card type? |
| 19:54.47 | zenzelezz | AGP |
| 19:55.11 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 19:56.23 | Kesava | type? 970 |
| 20:07.34 | VIad | wtb 1080gtx |
| 20:08.46 | FireSiku | I cant wait for 2x RX480 |
| 20:09.29 | Kesava | are they trying to squeeze even more power into those things |
| 20:10.29 | mckenziemc | raise the voltage or lower the resistance |
| 20:12.06 | VIad | 2x https://www.komplett.no/product/890645/ anyone? |
| 20:12.06 | mckenziemc | .no VIad |
| 20:12.06 | VIad | my motherboard dont got crossfire :< |
| 20:14.40 | VIad | can gtx1080 run wow at max? |
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| 20:15.09 | VIad | or, is wow optimized to fully utilize the 10 gb of memory on the gpu? |
| 20:15.42 | kd3 | we'll find out when 1080s actually ship |
| 20:15.51 | kd3 | and that was such a bad model name choice on nvidia's part... |
| 20:16.07 | NodusCursorius | I don't believe there is additional work needed to optimize memory size, apart from 32 and 64bit. |
| 20:16.33 | NodusCursorius | kd3, my money is on Google results. 1080 Nvidia shows up with 1080 standardizations. "Oh, that must be the card that works well with it' |
| 20:16.44 | NodusCursorius | They knew what they were doing. |
| 20:16.45 | mckenziemc | i'm guessing the question is whether WoW can utilize the full space |
| 20:17.09 | NodusCursorius | Again, nothing is stopping it. |
| 20:17.44 | mckenziemc | what about not having 10GB of textures to load at once |
| 20:18.29 | NodusCursorius | VRAM is used by textures, yes. But I'd say that's only a portion of use. |
| 20:19.13 | NodusCursorius | Particle code, compiled or raw. Visual effect shaders, compiled or raw. Buffer storage, which would increase based on resolution and AA. |
| 20:23.14 | Simca | peanut butter kitten tiem |
| 20:23.34 | Simca | (patch) |
| 20:29.16 | Semlar | simca how are you getting the script handlers for widgets |
| 20:30.05 | Simca | UI.xsd yo |
| 20:30.14 | Semlar | you're missing some |
| 20:30.56 | Semlar | so i guess that's not reliable |
| 20:31.03 | Simca | maybe not |
| 20:31.19 | Semlar | apparently "OnModelLoaded" has been in the game since 6.0 |
| 20:32.09 | Semlar | and there's OnCooldownDone |
| 20:33.39 | Semlar | and OnPanFinished but i'm not sure what that one even does |
| 20:33.54 | Semlar | possibly camera things in the model viewer |
| 20:34.55 | Simca | sure, when it completes panning a model |
| 20:35.04 | Semlar | pans simca |
| 20:35.56 | Semlar | it should be possible to pull the widget scripts out of the client since it has an error message when you try to set one that doesn't exist for an object |
| 20:36.03 | Simca | here |
| 20:36.06 | Simca | ripped from the client |
| 20:36.07 | Simca | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/8769a6c4 |
| 20:36.12 | Simca | does that look like all of them? |
| 20:36.19 | Semlar | no |
| 20:36.37 | Simca | what is a missing one? |
| 20:36.39 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
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| 20:37.33 | Semlar | i don't know your list looks shorter but it's hard to tell |
| 20:37.37 | NodusCursorius | Do I need to scrape, Semlar? |
| 20:38.09 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure gametooltip alone has a dozen different handlers |
| 20:38.19 | Semlar | there's an OnTooltip script for everything |
| 20:38.46 | Semlar | eg. OnTooltipSetFrameStack |
| 20:40.03 | Semlar | the ones you have are the ones i saw going through the client with a hex editor |
| 20:41.02 | Semlar | but they aren't all in one place |
| 20:43.16 | VIad | Simca: you are missing the onsemlar one |
| 20:44.11 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, I believe there are around 584 scripts. |
| 20:44.24 | Semlar | that sounds like a lot |
| 20:44.40 | NodusCursorius | Which are we looking for, specifically? |
| 20:44.44 | Semlar | all of them |
| 20:44.57 | Simca | aren't these called 'handlers' |
| 20:44.59 | Simca | not 'scripts |
| 20:45.00 | Simca | ' |
| 20:45.10 | Semlar | script handlers is what wowprogramming calls them |
| 20:45.28 | Simca | widget handlers is the correct term i think, but whatever |
| 20:45.29 | Semlar | they're essentially events for widgets |
| 20:46.13 | NodusCursorius | Simca, are you using the 64 or 32? |
| 20:46.23 | Semlar | NodusCursorius: anything you can call frame:SetScript with for the first argument |
| 20:46.33 | Simca | I do everything on the 64 exe |
| 20:46.42 | NodusCursorius | Give me a second, then, Simca |
| 20:46.42 | Simca | because the internal build was a 64 |
| 20:47.17 | Semlar | it throws an error %s doesn't have a "%s" script when you try to set it to an invalid value |
| 20:47.25 | Semlar | or something along those lines |
| 20:47.51 | Semlar | ideally the list would be split into the separate widgets but i just want a complete list |
| 20:48.27 | NodusCursorius | Simca, got your IDA open with the current WoWB-64.exe ? |
| 20:50.29 | Simca | no, I just pulled them out with notepad, it was faster |
| 20:50.38 | NodusCursorius | Well, watch this speed instead. |
| 20:50.58 | NodusCursorius | OnInputLanguageChanged rdata is referenced from sub_1400D5DD0. Two lines into that function it calls: call sub_140D4AD30 |
| 20:51.44 | NodusCursorius | Done. |
| 20:54.59 | NodusCursorius | We all the returns for this instance of strcmp: http://hastebin.com/ehejititar.dos |
| 20:56.46 | NodusCursorius | Do a "on*. regex for dirty work and then Semlar: http://hastebin.com/cehapimifi.hs |
| 20:56.48 | Simca | all the music was decrypted |
| 20:56.50 | NodusCursorius | Look correct? |
| 20:57.05 | Semlar | duplicates! |
| 20:57.10 | Semlar | maybe |
| 20:57.45 | Semlar | it looks more correct than the other one |
| 20:58.53 | NodusCursorius | Duplicates removed: http://hastebin.com/ivewosorux.hs |
| 20:59.10 | Simca | on* isn't good enough |
| 20:59.26 | NodusCursorius | Neither is notepad, which is why progress exists. |
| 20:59.27 | Simca | preclick postclick and doubleclick don't conform |
| 20:59.36 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 20:59.38 | NodusCursorius | I'll find what hooks pre and postclick, sec. |
| 20:59.48 | Simca | they're in your original list |
| 21:00.20 | NodusCursorius | For differentiation. What happens to them ager strcmp that allows the client to recognize the distinction. |
| 21:00.26 | NodusCursorius | That's what I'll figure out in a few minutes. |
| 21:00.44 | Semlar | i don't even know what half of the stuff on this list are |
| 21:00.50 | Semlar | the original list |
| 21:01.31 | Semlar | they seem to be from a very wide range of things |
| 21:01.49 | Stanzilla | beta no longer crashes on exit |
| 21:01.51 | Stanzilla | hurray |
| 21:02.06 | Semlar | sends stanzilla to blizzard |
| 21:02.08 | nevcairiel | Camera fixed too? |
| 21:02.23 | nevcairiel | Was annoying to fix it all the time |
| 21:02.37 | Stanzilla | servers still down |
| 21:02.45 | Semlar | what, you didn't like having a birds-eye view of everything? |
| 21:03.00 | kd3 | still got 2 hours to the test event server coming up |
| 21:03.04 | nevcairiel | The crash didn't happen all the time, only if it actually loaded certain models |
| 21:03.20 | nevcairiel | So might not be fixed :p |
| 21:03.21 | Semlar | uh it happened when i hit "quit" from the login screen |
| 21:03.28 | Semlar | so i don't know when it didn't happen |
| 21:03.40 | nevcairiel | Dunno, didn't happen all the time for me |
| 21:03.54 | Semlar | it happened most of the time i alt+f4'd |
| 21:03.58 | Semlar | i think it occasionally didn't |
| 21:05.08 | Semlar | does this mean case doesn't matter when setting script handlers |
| 21:05.20 | nevcairiel | Don't think it does |
| 21:05.24 | nevcairiel | But go try it! |
| 21:05.35 | Semlar | well if they're all in lowercase in the client it seems like it doesn't care |
| 21:05.59 | Semlar | i thought it was case sensitive for some reason though |
| 21:12.42 | Semlar | i think pre and postclick are the only ones that don't start with "on" |
| 21:14.01 | PhatsoTGT | whats that list? |
| 21:14.30 | Semlar | script handlers |
| 21:14.49 | PhatsoTGT | diff? |
| 21:15.30 | Semlar | i don't think anything is new |
| 21:15.36 | PhatsoTGT | realms are up |
| 21:15.53 | Semlar | just old ones that i've never heard of |
| 21:16.37 | PhatsoTGT | onClick? |
| 21:16.38 | PhatsoTGT | lol |
| 21:17.53 | PhatsoTGT | Simca no new Items? |
| 21:18.25 | Semlar | the list isn't that long, just read it |
| 21:27.21 | NodusCursorius | Oh good, found the "usage" strings for these too. |
| 21:30.27 | PhatsoTGT | rofl |
| 21:30.28 | PhatsoTGT | PVPUIFrame_SetRoles(self:GetParent():GetParent():GetParent()); |
| 21:31.32 | Simca | brilliant! |
| 21:31.55 | PhatsoTGT | C_ArtifactUI.DoesEquippedArtifactHaveAnyRelicsSlotted() |
| 21:32.02 | PhatsoTGT | oh you blizzard |
| 21:33.29 | PhatsoTGT | ohh |
| 21:34.32 | PhatsoTGT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.02 | VIad | OnTooltipAddMoney |
| 21:37.09 | VIad | most unused widget api probably |
| 21:37.13 | VIad | script |
| 21:40.01 | PhatsoTGT | not really unused |
| 21:40.14 | PhatsoTGT | uninteresting. but not unused |
| 21:46.42 | VIad | who the heck uses the pickup money mechanic?= |
| 21:46.48 | VIad | dont think people really know it exists even |
| 21:48.48 | VIad | I guess if you got to give someone gold, really really fast, you can prepare the amount beforehand :p |
| 21:49.26 | Semlar | perfect for WA scripts |
| 21:49.53 | PhatsoTGT | nope at how much goddamn code just the orderhallUI alone produces |
| 21:52.00 | PhatsoTGT | i like how blizz still updates the LCD stuff |
| 21:52.26 | Simca | PhatsoTGT: 2 items added only lol and they're copy-paste |
| 21:52.30 | Predicate | Uh, "updates" is a strong word. |
| 21:52.55 | VIad | LCD stuff? |
| 21:53.04 | VIad | I remember fainly some LCD lua files |
| 21:53.10 | VIad | but what is so special about it? |
| 21:53.21 | Predicate | LCDXML renders information to LCD-equipped keyboards. |
| 21:53.26 | VIad | ah |
| 21:53.36 | VIad | thought it was for the screen, since, LCD :p |
| 21:53.49 | PhatsoTGT | well it is for a screen |
| 21:54.03 | VIad | anything fun you can do with the LCD keyboards? |
| 21:54.06 | PhatsoTGT | but blizzard is fantastically talented at naming stuff |
| 21:54.29 | PhatsoTGT | well it can show chat/dps .... all that shit |
| 21:54.36 | VIad | dps monitor :D |
| 21:54.41 | VIad | heck |
| 21:54.41 | Predicate | Not really. It helpfully shows all your stats, including the ones that don't exist anymore. Oh, and the ones that do exist don't fit in their spots because they're now 2 digits longer than when the layout was created. |
| 21:54.42 | VIad | raid frames |
| 21:54.58 | PhatsoTGT | well |
| 21:55.04 | PhatsoTGT | you could |
| 21:55.39 | PhatsoTGT | but to be on the right side of history i would like to prepend this question for the protocol: should you? |
| 21:56.10 | VIad | can we use the widgets as defined in the LCD xml? |
| 21:56.56 | VIad | didnt seem like it |
| 21:58.45 | PhatsoTGT | are there any diffs for event handlers? |
| 21:59.51 | VIad | does the ui.xsd file contain them? |
| 22:01.05 | kd3 | shock of shocks. the pre-expansion event got postponed |
| 22:01.05 | Gnarfoz | linkylinky? |
| 22:01.05 | VIad | wasnt that event like, a week before legion, at end of august? |
| 22:01.07 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745254329?page=3#55 |
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| 22:01.16 | kd3 | they were planning on testing it on the beta realms in an hour |
| 22:01.26 | VIad | oh |
| 22:01.34 | VIad | I thought you meant the live event was postponed |
| 22:01.37 | VIad | the beta, fine :p |
| 22:02.16 | VIad | here is a picture of Semlar http://i.imgur.com/IzYtsMI.png |
| 22:04.28 | nevcairiel | thats one evil cat |
| 22:04.41 | Stanzilla | semlar lives in the jungle |
| 22:04.46 | Stanzilla | he has to be evil to survive |
| 22:23.05 | Semlar | i'm not evil i'm just misunderstood |
| 22:36.16 | Predicate | That's only because nobody else is crazy enough to understand you |
| 22:37.38 | Torhal | This is why he's a mushroom. |
| 22:45.25 | Stanzilla | man I'd love some shrooms right now |
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| 23:02.22 | Semlar | it just doesn't feel right not getting asked to submit a crash report upon exiting the game |
| 23:08.50 | Predicate | Wait, yours doesn't crash every time? How did you do that? |
| 23:10.40 | Stanzilla | today's update |
| 23:11.38 | Predicate | Oh, I should probably check that out then |
| 23:12.00 | foxlit | it's np, the realms do the crashing for you. |
| 23:17.44 | Semlar | disconnects foxlit from the server |
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| 23:19.50 | Unkle | Like in the WotLK beta where DKs could crash the realm by using one of their attacks. |
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| 23:20.54 | Semlar | no that was working as intended |
| 23:21.10 | Semlar | that's why dks are a hero class |
| 23:21.12 | Predicate | "feature" |
| 23:21.29 | Torhal | I thought that was an Easter Egg. |
| 23:25.38 | mckenziemc | DKs aren't exactly Easter-themed. |
| 23:25.50 | Semlar | they're undead what more do you want |
| 23:26.12 | mckenziemc | zombifies Semlar. |
| 23:27.22 | mckenziemc | Any two point the distance more than 5m transmission signal without any increase circuit |
| 23:27.31 | mckenziemc | i can't figure out what they're trying to say :( |
| 23:27.37 | mckenziemc | https://www.addicore.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/Product%20Downloadables/WS2812B/WS2812B.pdf |
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