| 00:00.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.44 | Semlar | stop hacking foxlit |
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| 00:09.56 | foxlit | thanks for your feedback, Semlar. |
| 00:12.15 | Semlar | the soonest a state handler can run is on the next frame after an event occurs right? |
| 00:13.08 | Semlar | it can't react to 2 events happening within the same frame in sequence |
| 00:17.25 | kd3 | huh, wow. lots of modern QoL changes for level1-20 stuff |
| 00:17.34 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/20095768/#may24 |
| 00:18.43 | foxlit | aka movie hotfixes? |
| 00:22.06 | Predicate | Looking a gift horse in the mouth. Those changes were sorely needed, especially for trial accounts to experience the game. Who cares why they chose to fix it now? |
| 00:23.47 | foxlit | A simple "Yeah" would've been just as fine, Predicate. |
| 00:25.49 | Predicate | It just seems like you guys always have to be cynical when Blizz does something right. :P |
| 00:26.05 | foxlit | You're reading too much into throwaway comments. |
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| 00:28.09 | Predicate | Just noticing a pattern, is all. |
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| 00:47.04 | FireSiku_ | I looked at the hotfixes, and I found it hilarious that they nerfed Tier 3 mage gear. That sounds oddly specific. |
| 00:47.24 | FireSiku_ | Were mythic raiders using 2p T3 to have incredibly overpowered arcane mages or something? |
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| 03:02.11 | Fisker | vanquishes foes and hugs Cairenn |
| 03:02.16 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 03:41.27 | mckenziemc | vanquishes Fisker and hugs Cairenn. |
| 03:41.35 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 03:41.38 | Stanzilla | FireSiku_: yes, there is a new (old) set that gets abused every week |
| 03:41.58 | Stanzilla | which is why, come Legion, every set bonus apart from the latest ones is disabled |
| 03:42.09 | FireSiku_ | Wait really? |
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| 03:49.44 | Stanzilla | "Set bonuses for item sets from expansions prior to Warlords of Draenor have been deactivated, though the text describing their former function still remains." |
| 03:49.50 | Stanzilla | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/20099961/legion-beta-patch-notes-5-11-2016 |
| 03:57.55 | kullervo | I'm not running a single TW in legion |
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| 06:32.58 | Fisker | glomps Cairenn |
| 06:33.10 | Cairenn | errrr |
| 06:33.42 | Fisker | sorry ^^ |
| 06:33.54 | Cairenn | Hehehehehe, no worries |
| 07:02.26 | Semlar | yay i got it working |
| 07:02.35 | Semlar | i think |
| 07:02.45 | Semlar | until it breaks |
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| 07:04.32 | Semlar | i made it so you can have friendly nameplates showing but click through them in combat so they don't block the mouse |
| 07:04.56 | nevcairiel | still waste nameplate spots and screen space, why would i want them |
| 07:05.40 | Semlar | useful for displaying debuffs above raid members, their name, class and such |
| 07:05.54 | Semlar | target information |
| 07:06.14 | Semlar | your friendly nameplates don't have to look the same as enemy plates |
| 07:06.23 | Semlar | so you can make them as small as you want |
| 07:07.11 | Semlar | the only issue i have is that if we're limited to a certain number of nameplates onscreen it might become an issue |
| 07:07.27 | Semlar | but maybe there are ways to handle that |
| 07:08.08 | Semlar | my nameplates are now aware of all of the other nameplates so i could actually have them hide themselves if there are too many of them, but i'm not sure if that would cause it to draw on another unit |
| 07:09.10 | Semlar | i need a place where i can actually have 30 nameplates onscreen, preferably with friendly and enemy units |
| 07:11.55 | nevcairiel | as a healer, or generally anyone that cares about the state of my raid members, i wouldnt want to navigate the 3d world to see them |
| 07:11.57 | nevcairiel | just saying |
| 07:12.34 | nebula | i feel like most of what semlar does isn't for function, they're all just tech demos |
| 07:12.52 | Semlar | how dare you, my healer loves my nameplates |
| 07:13.02 | nebula | lol |
| 07:13.31 | Semlar | i'm not sure if he has enemies displaying though |
| 07:13.38 | Semlar | he definitely has the raid showing |
| 07:13.45 | Simca | nebula: here is a good test of that |
| 07:14.02 | nebula | i've never had friendly nameplates, i'd much rather just use unit frames |
| 07:14.14 | Simca | Semlar: what percent of addons that you have made have been posted to a major addon site? |
| 07:14.24 | nevcairiel | i used friendly plates on oregorger once, because LoS concerns made healing a bit of a chore there |
| 07:14.26 | Simca | lol |
| 07:14.29 | Semlar | i didn't ever use friendly nameplates until i reduced my nameplates to essentially just show players names |
| 07:14.51 | Semlar | but i found them really useful and don't like turning them off |
| 07:14.53 | nebula | ...but they show names without it being a nameplate? |
| 07:15.14 | Semlar | nah the normal name display is complete garbage |
| 07:15.31 | Semlar | mine's actually readable and is class colored |
| 07:15.56 | nevcairiel | unfortunately with raids going up to 30 players and the limit also being thirty .. seems not well suited anymore |
| 07:16.33 | Semlar | yeah, that's really annoying and they need to add more unit ids |
| 07:16.45 | Semlar | or just make it map raid members to you know, their raid unit id |
| 07:17.43 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/eFcJAH3.jpg this is how names look with nameplates off |
| 07:18.05 | nevcairiel | they fade over distance, thats nothing new |
| 07:18.19 | Semlar | i'm like 10 feet from this guy and their name is completely illegible |
| 07:18.49 | Semlar | i could probably stand on top of them and not be able to read it |
| 07:19.10 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/SelfassuredEthicalLarva |
| 07:19.30 | nevcairiel | your mushroom plates also are not very readable |
| 07:19.35 | Semlar | :( |
| 07:20.05 | Semlar | well, in large raids i don't like having friendly nameplates on but only because it's so crowded |
| 07:20.18 | Semlar | but 10 player raids or 5 mans they're nice |
| 07:20.55 | Semlar | you could probably have them change how they look based on how many are being displayed in an area, maybe have more minimal displays |
| 07:24.04 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/RecklessIncompatibleChrysalis you can see my nameplates in a larger group here |
| 07:24.31 | nevcairiel | dont seem very useful, they dont end up being readable either due to overcrowding |
| 07:24.45 | nevcairiel | also you really shouldnt stand in the mines |
| 07:24.47 | Semlar | it's actually pretty easy to read, but if you turned off the healthbars they'd be less crowded |
| 07:25.22 | nevcairiel | if players didnt move and buff icons didnt obscure things half the time, maybe |
| 07:25.27 | nevcairiel | but things move, and buffs go and come |
| 07:25.31 | Semlar | those are their castbars |
| 07:26.06 | Semlar | i never actually got around to adding debuffs |
| 07:27.38 | nevcairiel | most players in my raid i can just recognize on their class/race template if i need to, never felt the need to have a name hover over their head |
| 07:27.46 | nevcairiel | just makes the screen cleaner to not have it |
| 07:28.16 | Semlar | i couldn't possibly identify anyone in my raid based on their model |
| 07:28.56 | nebula | really? i'm pretty sure i could identify most people by their transmog/look |
| 07:29.06 | Semlar | during a fight? |
| 07:29.09 | nebula | yes |
| 07:29.19 | Semlar | if they were standing in that group of people |
| 07:29.24 | nebula | not sure how what you're doing matters |
| 07:29.31 | nevcairiel | in that group of people, your plates also dont help =p |
| 07:29.45 | Semlar | uh i can pick out every single person there |
| 07:29.55 | Semlar | the class colors make it really obvious |
| 07:30.09 | nebula | whatever you're use to /shrug |
| 07:30.22 | nebula | i would find all that shit annoying |
| 07:30.32 | Semlar | that's also an example of the worst case scenario |
| 07:30.42 | Semlar | where most of the raid is standing on top of each other |
| 07:31.03 | nevcairiel | i never had a problem recognizing people in my raid when i needed to, so shrug |
| 07:31.10 | nevcairiel | helps to raid with a constant group over years |
| 07:31.28 | nevcairiel | recognizing the odd new guy every couple weeks is easy then |
| 07:34.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.58 | Semlar | regardless of how recognizable they are |
| 07:35.22 | nebula | why would you need to? |
| 07:36.01 | Semlar | when you die as often as i do i have to actively stay near my healers |
| 07:36.25 | nebula | if there's a shit ton of other visual clutter, of course not, but that's hardly ever an issue |
| 07:36.28 | nevcairiel | maybe you should work on that :D |
| 07:36.34 | Semlar | how is that hardly ever an issue! |
| 07:36.47 | Semlar | this is how the game looks all the time |
| 07:36.57 | nebula | pfft, hardly |
| 07:37.23 | Semlar | if you have your camera zoomed out people are like tiny blobs with glowy things on them |
| 07:37.58 | Semlar | i'd have to concentrate to pick someone out |
| 07:38.11 | Semlar | assuming i knew what i was looking for |
| 07:38.26 | Semlar | and they weren't obscured by something |
| 07:38.37 | Semlar | and that would be a dps loss |
| 07:41.22 | Semlar | in larger raids each individual person matters less so it's less important to be able to know who's who, but in smaller groups i like to keep track |
| 07:41.52 | Semlar | and it's useful on a recording, which is why i made them in the first place |
| 07:42.55 | Semlar | but i got used to having them and now i don't like not having them |
| 07:43.09 | nebula | hence, whatever you're use to :p |
| 07:43.42 | Semlar | yeah but everyone else is wrong and they need to be made aware of that |
| 07:44.13 | Semlar | you can't like different things than me |
| 07:44.33 | nebula | feel like thats the position of most people when talking about their ui, lol |
| 07:46.08 | Semlar | you can tell how passionate i am about my ui by the fact that it's mostly the default and has random stuff strewn across it |
| 07:46.37 | Semlar | debug prints to the chat that i've never bothered disabling |
| 07:47.00 | Semlar | whatever half finished addon i happen to be working on at the time |
| 07:47.18 | nebula | but don't like my nameplates? fuck you |
| 07:48.53 | Semlar | yes |
| 07:56.01 | Semlar | people who don't like my nameplates are objectively wrong |
| 07:57.59 | Semlar | it would be like saying you don't like the mona lisa |
| 07:59.55 | nebula | pretty overrated |
| 08:07.01 | Semlar | basically what i'm saying is there isn't something wrong with my nameplates, there's something wrong with the people who don't like them |
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| 08:08.14 | Semlar | and possibly that they belong in a museum |
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| 11:51.22 | Gnarfoz | I think we all need more Semlar in our lives |
| 11:51.37 | Gnarfoz | also, +1 on recognizing raid members purely by looks |
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| 13:10.00 | VIad | you have not seen grimrail like this before http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464181798.png |
| 13:10.12 | VIad | somehow the walls bugged and never opened |
| 13:10.15 | VIad | legion, tsk tsk :p |
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| 16:28.29 | VIad | hmm... I wish blizzard would work on their guardian mechanics, like garrison bodyguards, the legion guardians suck balls |
| 16:28.39 | VIad | you have no control over their AI, you should have |
| 16:28.53 | VIad | like akama loves to knock back mobs, I wish I could disable that spell on him |
| 16:29.02 | VIad | or tell him how to behave, aggressive, defensive, e.g. |
| 16:29.23 | VIad | they could add a gambit like system, like final fantasy, where you specify in certain slots and define behavior |
| 16:29.38 | VIad | it would finally make the guardian system actually good, being customizable |
| 16:48.59 | p3lim | Semlar: touched the transmog stuff yet? |
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| 17:35.13 | zenzelezz | guess which tank was introduced in today's patch http://imgur.com/n3oVXN5 |
| 17:36.40 | nevcairiel | its like that in every game zenzelezz |
| 17:36.44 | nevcairiel | new and fancy, uuuh! |
| 17:36.57 | VIad | think its the Grille 15 |
| 17:38.57 | zenzelezz | VIad: indeed |
| 17:39.05 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I know, it's still just amusing :D |
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| 17:56.21 | Fisker | I can't wait for the sequel to Cairenn1 |
| 17:56.24 | NodusCursorius | notices the <1 second delay between Seerah and Guill |
| 17:56.56 | Seerah | I didn't know you and I were the same person, Guill. ;) |
| 17:57.09 | Fisker | You're not Seerah |
| 17:57.20 | Fisker | Unless everything has been a lie |
| 17:57.50 | Fisker | Also it's kind of annoying when Blizzard people keep impersonating you |
| 17:58.18 | Seerah | Guill has been impersonating me?!? |
| 17:58.24 | Fisker | nah |
| 17:58.38 | Fisker | But a CM was impersonating me like 2 or 3 times |
| 17:58.44 | Guill | How could I impersonate someone who's actually me? |
| 17:58.51 | Unkle | "I apologize profusely for any inconvenience my murderous rampage may have caused." ~Seerah |
| 17:58.58 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.03 | Seerah | That is something I have said |
| 17:59.04 | Fisker | Seerah couldn't hurt a fly pls |
| 17:59.24 | Unkle | Pfft. Yes, she could. She's ... fearsome. |
| 17:59.34 | Seerah | Fisker: you haven't seen me in game. Kill all the things! |
| 17:59.50 | Fisker | No flies though |
| 18:01.08 | Fisker | Also come fight me at Blizzcon |
| 18:01.10 | Seerah | Do Silithids count? |
| 18:01.22 | Seerah | We're not coming this year - it's our off year. :( |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker | I guess they're pretty close |
| 18:01.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:01.35 | Fisker | Then how will I imagine being punched? |
| 18:01.39 | Fisker | <\3 |
| 18:01.39 | Seerah | We'll be there in 2017 |
| 18:01.46 | Fisker | If there is a 2017 |
| 18:02.01 | Seerah | Are you saying the world's going to end?!?! |
| 18:02.10 | Fisker | damn |
| 18:02.19 | Fisker | I was going to make it sound like I only meant Blizzcon |
| 18:02.48 | Seerah | but now the truth is out? |
| 18:02.48 | Fisker | nobody is going this year :( |
| 18:02.57 | Fisker | Yep |
| 18:03.03 | Seerah | it'll be pretty empty, then |
| 18:03.04 | Fisker | I'm still saying that this year is the oprah year |
| 18:03.12 | Unkle | ... thanks Fisker. Glad to reaffirm that I am "nobody." |
| 18:03.21 | Fisker | Well me too Unkle |
| 18:03.28 | Fisker | Could just say nobody cool is going this year |
| 18:03.36 | Fisker | Except maybe Cairenn1 of course |
| 18:03.39 | Seerah | So... 1 person and a Fisker will be there |
| 18:03.39 | Fisker | <3 |
| 18:05.04 | Fisker | I'll still be your skip through the queue Unkle |
| 18:05.07 | Fisker | <3 |
| 18:05.38 | Fisker | Or maybe my sales pitch is a bit lousy |
| 18:05.39 | Unkle | Haha. Yes, I'll be in a wheelchair again this year. |
| 18:05.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:06.02 | Seerah | :( |
| 18:06.03 | Unkle | Either because I haven't yet had surgery, or because I've *just* had it. One or the other. |
| 18:06.13 | Seerah | no date scheduled yet? |
| 18:06.45 | Unkle | Had to get a few health issues settled first. One is. The other (my weight) isn't. |
| 18:07.26 | Unkle | I could have the surgery now, but the doctors would prefer to wait a bit longer and see if I can get slimmed down more to improve my outcomes. |
| 18:07.34 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 18:07.57 | Unkle | Until then, I just get to take drugs for pain and be smart about how hard I am on my body. |
| 18:08.08 | Seerah | I finally started the gym this week. :) Going to lose 30 by the end of the year. /fingerscrossed |
| 18:08.20 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:08.20 | Unkle | And Overwatch launching isn't helping. :) |
| 18:08.34 | Unkle | GO YOU! |
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| 18:41.18 | kd3 | how does one go about requisitioning /pallets/ of post-it notes? http://i.imgur.com/RycdbMO.jpg |
| 18:53.07 | Unkle | It took me a second to absorb the impact, but ... *damn*. |
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| 19:17.44 | Gnarfoz | dat mic drop ^^ |
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| 19:38.36 | Cairenn1 | Yay for the peoples getting healthy! |
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| 19:39.29 | Cairenn | And holy crap, that img ... |
| 19:39.33 | Fisker | It's a Cairenn |
| 19:39.38 | Cairenn | It is |
| 19:50.57 | Gnarfoz | Simca: I just saw a Simca :O |
| 19:51.01 | Gnarfoz | but 'twas a shaman |
| 19:51.40 | Fisker | I once saw a Fisker |
| 19:51.54 | Fisker | But he had to change names |
| 19:52.08 | Gnarfoz | was he fiskering in international waters? |
| 19:52.36 | Fisker | Something like that |
| 19:52.52 | Simca | had to add a Q |
| 19:53.40 | Fisker | It was actually a Fiskerdin |
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| 20:14.23 | zenzelezz | you should never just add Q |
| 20:14.30 | zenzelezz | he's simply not trustworthy |
| 20:15.12 | bshelden | I never found that. He did have a habit of actually keeping his word. Careful you interpret it the same way he does of course. |
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| 20:34.22 | zork-tdmog | man i'm so happy how my actionbar changed turned out till now |
| 20:36.49 | Semlar | i finally found a way to click through friendly nameplates zork-tdmog, it only took like 3 years |
| 20:38.32 | zork-tdmog | dedication right there :) |
| 20:38.33 | zork-tdmog | gz |
| 20:38.44 | Semlar | well to be fair it wasn't really possible until now |
| 20:38.50 | Gnarfoz | almost Warcraft time |
| 20:42.07 | nevcairiel | Are you watching tonight Gnarfoz |
| 20:42.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yep |
| 20:52.47 | Gethe | Anyone know what the return from GetTickTimeMs() means? |
| 20:53.05 | Gethe | on beta |
| 20:57.29 | Semlar | how long a tick is, i assume |
| 20:58.10 | Semlar | ask Guill |
| 20:59.31 | Semlar | time between the last 2 frames probably |
| 21:03.21 | Semlar | it's related to your frame rate, anyway |
| 21:03.24 | Semlar | i'm sure foxlit knows |
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| 21:23.54 | Gethe | Guill: can you give any details on GetTickTimeMs? it seems like it has an inverse relation with framerate |
| 21:24.18 | nevcairiel | that seems logical, doesnt it |
| 21:24.23 | nevcairiel | the game would tick every frame |
| 21:24.24 | Semlar | well frame rate is frames per second |
| 21:24.42 | nevcairiel | so at 60fps TickMs should be 16.6 |
| 21:24.48 | nevcairiel | at 120 fps its 8.3 |
| 21:24.50 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 21:24.59 | Semlar | ticks aren't fractional though |
| 21:25.07 | nevcairiel | well apply rounding as you see fit |
| 21:25.08 | Semlar | it would be like 10 for 100 fps |
| 21:25.21 | nevcairiel | which is actually accurate for 100 =p |
| 21:25.28 | Semlar | and 10 for 98 fps |
| 21:26.02 | nevcairiel | its probably related to your GetTime fluke, if a rounding error accumulates, it doesnt tick for this OnUpdate |
| 21:26.05 | Semlar | it's used in a lerping function |
| 21:26.31 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/savimesoqa.lua |
| 21:26.41 | Gethe | i guess im just not versed in framerate stuff, how are you getting those values? |
| 21:26.53 | Semlar | ctrl r shows you your framerate |
| 21:27.50 | Semlar | and you can just dump the value of GetTickTimeMs, which is presumably the "tick" time in milliseconds |
| 21:28.21 | Predicate | You can just think of it as time per frame vs. frame per time. As you render more frames per second, it's taking fewer ms to render each frame. |
| 21:28.22 | nevcairiel | Gethe: 60 fps -> 1000ms / 60 -> 16.6ms per frame |
| 21:28.23 | Semlar | ticks are frames |
| 21:28.36 | nevcairiel | (1000ms being one second) |
| 21:28.55 | nevcairiel | 60 frames per second, solve for seconds |
| 21:28.56 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:29.45 | Gethe | oh ok, thanks |
| 21:29.49 | Semlar | i'm sure it probably shouldn't be round |
| 21:32.53 | Gethe | it is rounded |
| 21:34.40 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/isupiqozek.lua here's an example |
| 21:35.01 | Semlar | you can see that it's essentially just the value of elapsed |
| 21:35.32 | Semlar | in milliseconds |
| 21:35.39 | Guill | tickTimeMS = (uint)(deltaSec * 1000.0f) |
| 21:36.07 | Semlar | as an integer |
| 21:36.16 | Guill | I'm not really sure why that function was exposed. It's been around internally for a while (I assume for some internal performance measurement tool). Doesn't seem all that useful for AddOns. |
| 21:36.36 | nevcairiel | find the commit and check if your guys write commit messages |
| 21:36.42 | nevcairiel | if its anything like any place I worked at, they dont |
| 21:36.42 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:37.26 | Semlar | Guill: i wish we had a way to toggle nameplates in the restricted environment |
| 21:37.50 | Guill | There's a commit message, but it's about adding GM-only script functions. I have no idea why this function was moved from the GM-only section to the public one :P It was definitely enough of a change that it was intentional though. |
| 21:38.39 | Gethe | it's used in the mapCanvas and the FrameDeltaLerp |
| 21:38.47 | Semlar | why is the elapsed time between frames so round |
| 21:39.03 | nevcairiel | Semlar: he pasted the code, its cast to int =p |
| 21:39.14 | Semlar | not that |
| 21:39.50 | Semlar | the actual elapsed value in OnUpdate and GetTime are being rounded |
| 21:40.04 | Semlar | so whatever number they're based on is probably being rounded |
| 21:41.25 | Semlar | or cast as an integer instead of a float |
| 21:42.29 | Semlar | which isn't right |
| 21:43.00 | Ironii | now that Guill is here and before i forget, whats the new 5th arg on UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event in 7.0? |
| 21:43.39 | nevcairiel | it looks like a flags arg, but without info how to interpret it |
| 21:43.52 | Semlar | looks like the spellID to me |
| 21:43.57 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 21:44.05 | Semlar | well it is for what i just cast |
| 21:44.06 | nevcairiel | its in the millions sometimes |
| 21:44.17 | Semlar | when |
| 21:44.18 | nevcairiel | unless they changed the event again |
| 21:44.20 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 21:44.46 | Semlar | unless he's talking about the 4th argument which is the new spell GUID thing |
| 21:45.01 | nevcairiel | nah that one was easy enough do decompose |
| 21:45.28 | Semlar | the spellID isn't even new |
| 21:45.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/WVyPxj8.jpg |
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| 21:46.29 | Guill | Alright, so I'm removing GetTickTimeMs and adding in GetTickTime. That should return the exact same value as whatever you would have gotten from the delta parameter of OnUpdate. |
| 21:46.36 | Ironii | semlar it wasn't a spellid few weeks ago |
| 21:46.47 | nevcairiel | looks like it really is the spell id now |
| 21:47.06 | Semlar | actually flags would be nice since we can't get those outside of the combat log |
| 21:47.20 | Semlar | we can't get the spell school, for example |
| 21:48.36 | Guill | Yeah, it's the spell ID |
| 21:49.14 | Semlar | actually i don't think GetTime is being rounded any more |
| 21:49.25 | Guill | I'm pretty sure that issue was fixed |
| 21:50.06 | Semlar | elapsed is oddly round but it might be based on that tick time stuff |
| 21:50.13 | Semlar | and it isn't that important |
| 21:50.18 | nevcairiel | something funky is going on with the spell events though |
| 21:50.19 | nevcairiel | http://imgur.com/o8GbSgI |
| 21:50.29 | nevcairiel | i figure the spell id in the GUID and the actual spell id should be the same |
| 21:50.34 | nevcairiel | but for this ability it isnt |
| 21:50.43 | Semlar | maybe it's one o dem transformy events |
| 21:50.47 | Semlar | i mean spells |
| 21:51.22 | Semlar | they're both swipe |
| 21:51.52 | nevcairiel | the one in the GUID is the one that matches the spell id of my action button |
| 21:51.55 | nevcairiel | the one in arg5 does not |
| 21:52.00 | Semlar | what does /dump GetSpellInfo("swipe") give you |
| 21:52.14 | Semlar | 213764? |
| 21:52.21 | nevcairiel | that gives ..771 |
| 21:52.51 | Semlar | i think that one is more right |
| 21:52.57 | nevcairiel | 764 is more right |
| 21:53.06 | nevcairiel | its what matches my spell book |
| 21:53.19 | Semlar | really? i was pretty sure using the name always gave you the correct spell |
| 21:53.34 | Semlar | that was the fix for the spellbook being wrong |
| 21:53.48 | Semlar | you had to do like GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(spellID)) |
| 21:54.04 | nevcairiel | yeah i know, some of those transforming spells are annoying |
| 21:54.06 | Guill | Off the top of my head, the spell in the GUID is probably the spell you tried to cast and the 5th event arg is the spell you actually cast. Sometimes they're the same. |
| 21:54.08 | Guill | There be dragons. |
| 21:54.29 | nevcairiel | if i shift out of bear I get 764 from GetSpellInfo |
| 21:54.35 | nevcairiel | so its probably one of those magic abilities |
| 21:54.47 | Semlar | i'm sure bear is transforming it to bear spell |
| 21:54.56 | Ironii | Semlar http://ironi.fi/WoWScrnShot_052616_005229.jpg numbers outside of ~200k were the ones that i was talking about |
| 21:55.05 | Semlar | and 764 is the base/cat form/whatever it's picking by default |
| 21:55.06 | Gethe | there are three swipe spells, one for the spellbook, on for cat form, one for bear |
| 21:55.26 | nevcairiel | these transformations make one of my addons logic a nightmare |
| 21:55.35 | Gethe | http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=106785/swipe |
| 21:55.39 | Gethe | cat form |
| 21:55.59 | nevcairiel | (not this is something new, many spells in WoD already did that) |
| 21:56.06 | nevcairiel | +that |
| 21:57.06 | Semlar | Ironii: those numbers are the value of the 5th argument from the event? |
| 21:57.11 | Semlar | i can't really tell what's going on here |
| 21:57.27 | Ironii | yea |
| 21:57.28 | Guill | Ironii: There was talk in here about a change to how IDs are stored in DB2s. Possibly a bug stemming from that. Hopefully fixed. |
| 21:57.30 | Semlar | why's it titled Ignored Spells |
| 21:57.52 | Semlar | those numbers are definitely flags |
| 21:58.04 | Ironii | becouse thats where you can ignore spells on the addon ? :) |
| 21:59.45 | Semlar | although they could also just be something broken |
| 21:59.53 | Semlar | so maybe not definitely flags |
| 22:01.32 | Semlar | Guill: is the GUID to tie all the UNIT_SPELLCAST events together for the same cast? |
| 22:01.50 | Guill | Probably? |
| 22:01.55 | Semlar | good enough |
| 22:02.00 | nevcairiel | it serves the same purpose as the previous lineID |
| 22:02.01 | Ironii | are there any plans to also add spell GUIDs to CLEU events? |
| 22:02.04 | nevcairiel | just a different format |
| 22:04.12 | Semlar | i think there was something i wanted to ask guill about but all i can think of is pleading for more nameplate unitIDs |
| 22:04.51 | nevcairiel | you heard the reasons why they are constrained, their 255 are nearly up |
| 22:04.59 | Semlar | it's not enough nevcairiel |
| 22:05.33 | Semlar | we have to ration our nameplates |
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| 22:07.47 | Guill | Semlar: If I give you more, I have to take others away. Think I'll start with "player". |
| 22:07.51 | Ironii | it would be nice to be able to decide which units to show, something like based on range to you or your target, instead of nameplate age |
| 22:08.37 | Semlar | i might have a rogue named Mouseover |
| 22:08.54 | Guill | Yeah, if people find that there are issues with units they want to know about not appearing on nameplates, we'll probably take the route of some prioritization. |
| 22:09.13 | Semlar | i would definitely prioritize enemies over players |
| 22:09.40 | nevcairiel | you are the only weirdo that fights with friendly plates on |
| 22:09.46 | Stanzilla | and boss adds |
| 22:09.46 | Semlar | WHY HAVE THE OPTION |
| 22:09.59 | Semlar | you can't just ignore people who use it! |
| 22:10.10 | Guill | That sounds like a challenge to me! |
| 22:10.17 | Semlar | o.o |
| 22:10.29 | Ironii | you also have the option to macro /quit to every spell, that doesn't mean you should it... |
| 22:10.31 | Guill | (I actually use it too >.> Gotta know who to life grip out of the fire.) |
| 22:10.43 | Semlar | see! |
| 22:10.49 | Semlar | there's dozens of us! |
| 22:11.00 | Semlar | or at least 2 |
| 22:11.47 | Ironii | why do you have to see who to grip? if someone is standing in fire, grip him/her, or do you like to play god and decide IF they are worthy ;) |
| 22:12.14 | Semlar | plus what if it's tuesday and everyone's tryin to get their pvp gear and it's all like this http://i.imgur.com/ie3n9KU.jpg |
| 22:12.26 | Guill | Because it's never just "someone". You have to decide WHICH person to pull out of the fire and which to heal :P |
| 22:12.54 | foxlit | Fire is a debuff anyway. |
| 22:13.27 | foxlit | I like how with level scaling tech, none of the numbers make any sense anywhere. |
| 22:13.28 | Semlar | yeah or what if you're trying to kill someone specific with the debuff you have |
| 22:13.30 | Guill | Semlar: That's exactly why I'm alright with capping it at 30. Once you get enough, they're useless. |
| 22:13.32 | Ironii | i guess that can be a problem if there are multiple raid members standing in fire... |
| 22:13.37 | Semlar | it's not useless! |
| 22:14.16 | Semlar | i'd never be able to target the npc if i couldn't see their nameplate |
| 22:14.38 | foxlit | "Heals target for 39000" << Or 120k. Or 5k. Dunno. Something. |
| 22:15.46 | foxlit | Guill: did we flood you with :GetAnimations() crash reports yet? |
| 22:16.05 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.59 | Guill | foxlit: Fixed |
| 22:17.22 | Ironii | by reading the name over the players head? |
| 22:17.34 | Semlar | yeah, the one my nameplate is providing |
| 22:17.35 | Ironii | or by their race & transmog |
| 22:17.59 | Semlar | see people tried to make the argument yesterday that you could identify someone by looking at them and that is not remotely possible for me |
| 22:18.11 | Ironii | you can read the names without any nameplates ;P |
| 22:18.16 | Semlar | uhhh no you can't |
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| 22:18.26 | foxlit | You're zoomed out all the way to mars. |
| 22:18.43 | Semlar | of course i am! i need to see everything |
| 22:18.49 | Ironii | buy a bigger screen ^^ |
| 22:19.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/eFcJAH3.jpg this is what regular names look like |
| 22:19.25 | Semlar | those are not readable |
| 22:20.20 | Ironii | easily if you know what the string can be, spot a few chars and you already know who it is |
| 22:20.26 | Semlar | if we could style those i could live without nameplates for them |
| 22:21.08 | Mr_Rabies | what, you can't read this? http://i.imgur.com/mEvlUF6.png |
| 22:21.36 | nevcairiel | the screenshot is pretty small |
| 22:21.42 | Semlar | i have seen screenshots from people with sort of readable names |
| 22:21.52 | Semlar | wait the screenshot is small? |
| 22:21.57 | Semlar | it's 1920x1080 |
| 22:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | type of anti-aliasing and stuff affects the legibility of names by a huge amount |
| 22:22.05 | nevcairiel | like i said |
| 22:22.05 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:22.16 | Semlar | the game's resolution is like 768 vertical pixels |
| 22:24.55 | Semlar | i think a higher resolution would actually make things smaller |
| 22:25.13 | nevcairiel | nah, more pixel for the same scene |
| 22:25.34 | Semlar | i've seen people with larger screens complain about losing their cursor |
| 22:25.42 | Semlar | but that might be rendered differently |
| 22:25.47 | nevcairiel | the cursor does get smaller |
| 22:25.52 | nevcairiel | but ingame elements otherwise dont |
| 22:26.30 | Ironii | get physically bigger screen, not just higher resolution |
| 22:27.25 | Ironii | assuming your current one is 24"-27", at 40" im sure that you can see who you are trying to kill |
| 22:28.01 | nevcairiel | http://i.imgur.com/uvX405o.jpg seems definitely better for me, i can clearly read the front two and kinda make out the harmony vendor, the other one is just too far away though |
| 22:28.09 | Semlar | the issue isn't really the size, it's the aliasing or something |
| 22:28.28 | Semlar | it's also scaled with distance which isn't great |
| 22:28.47 | foxlit | The fact that the names are rendered in silly colors with no outline or correction for background is kind of bad. |
| 22:29.10 | Semlar | it would be nice if we could access them to at least modify the font string |
| 22:29.21 | Semlar | if not get information about the unit |
| 22:29.52 | Semlar | i mean nameplates let us do that |
| 22:30.03 | Semlar | but they're capped now |
| 22:30.12 | foxlit | there might not be a fontstring in the first place. |
| 22:30.30 | nevcairiel | those names are probably rendered by the 3D engine |
| 22:30.39 | nevcairiel | not the UI code |
| 22:31.41 | nevcairiel | (they were processed by PPAA effects during WoD beta at some point making them look terrible) |
| 22:31.51 | nevcairiel | (which suggests its part of 3D rendering) |
| 22:33.11 | Semlar | i know there's no font string, if there was one we could access it |
| 22:34.01 | Semlar | i was just saying if there was one we could at least customize it ourselves |
| 22:34.12 | fewyn | so i'm not a fan of overwatch on the xbox one |
| 22:34.25 | nevcairiel | its an fps, they dont work well on consoles |
| 22:35.14 | fewyn | they work |
| 22:35.19 | fewyn | i just don't prefer them on consoles |
| 22:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | they work, but it makes the game very different |
| 22:40.59 | Mr_Rabies | i prefered battlefield: bad company 2 on xbox 360 because not everyone had a sniper rifle killing me from across the map in hiding every 2 seconds like on pc |
| 22:41.41 | Mr_Rabies | honestly less hanzo/widowmaker spam sounds kinda fun |
| 22:42.23 | nevcairiel | dunno they are easily countered |
| 22:43.01 | Mr_Rabies | there are a few that are well balanced with organized teams but break horribly in pugs |
| 22:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | hanzo, widowmaker, mei, and bastion |
| 22:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | are the biggest ones |
| 22:44.41 | nevcairiel | i dont play overwatch alone, usually in small teams like 2-3 people, and thats plenty to counter a dug in bastion or a widow |
| 22:44.42 | fewyn | you know what's fun? getting one of the snipers locked into a corner as mei |
| 22:44.45 | fewyn | for an entire game |
| 22:45.14 | fewyn | i did that this morning before work |
| 22:45.30 | nevcairiel | did you play arcade or what |
| 22:45.39 | fewyn | yeah arcade |
| 22:45.42 | nevcairiel | normal cooldowns are too long for such things |
| 22:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | arcade mode as pharah is |
| 22:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | f |
| 22:46.01 | Mr_Rabies | u |
| 22:46.01 | Mr_Rabies | n |
| 22:46.12 | nevcairiel | i dont really enjoy arcade, some heroes are fucking broken w ithout cooldowns |
| 22:46.14 | Mr_Rabies | it basically just turns into tribes |
| 22:46.23 | Mr_Rabies | except infinite jetpack |
| 22:47.07 | nevcairiel | the random hero mode in the open beta was fun |
| 22:47.20 | Mr_Rabies | they'll rotate it in soon i'm sure |
| 22:47.25 | nevcairiel | its weekly |
| 22:47.30 | nevcairiel | not sure when the rollover is |
| 22:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno how many events there are but i only saw those 2, i think |
| 22:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | arcade and random hero |
| 22:47.49 | nevcairiel | there is like 10 |
| 22:47.55 | zork-tdmog | gn8 all |
| 22:48.02 | fewyn | i assume the arcade mode will change on tuesdays |
| 22:48.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh neat, i was only in one weekend beta and then open beta |
| 22:48.42 | nevcairiel | http://www.overpwn.com/news/151-a-full-list-of-datamined-overwatch-brawls-in-patch |
| 22:50.30 | nevcairiel | some like mystery heroes are fun for a whole week |
| 22:50.41 | nevcairiel | some of the restricted heroes ones are probably only fun for a couple games |
| 22:51.38 | Stanzilla | yeah like half of a game |
| 22:54.16 | nevcairiel | mystery heroes should just be a permanent game mode, loved that |
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| 23:15.34 | fewyn | so TSM scroll wheel macro + the freewheel mode on my logitech mouse is a lot of fun when posting auctions |
| 23:21.17 | Ironii | /click macro with 0.2sec intervall ;) |
| 23:21.29 | Ironii | don't try 0.01 sec...it will crash wow |
| 23:21.30 | Ironii | :D |
| 23:23.50 | fewyn | ? |
| 23:26.25 | Amarande | fewyn: mouse what's that? oh, that thing I get to use with my laptop every now and then when the cat stops insisting on sitting on the mouse pad :D |
| 23:27.37 | Amarande | I think I might as well just call it the cat mat at this point :S |
| 23:28.00 | Kesava | on beta, equipment set thingy doesn't work, y/n |
| 23:28.11 | fewyn | the g502? mouse has a function on the scroll wheel that let's it spin freewheel which is nice when i'm flipping through stuff |
| 23:28.18 | Amarande | Kesava: hah, I keep forgetting there is an equipment set feature |
| 23:31.00 | mckenziemc | wishes Amarande had a global-mute feature. |
| 23:35.50 | Kesava | i found a female troll in dalaran with the human male vendor voice pack |
| 23:35.51 | Kesava | excellent |
| 23:44.59 | fewyn | wtf srsly CBS? you suck http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cbs-limitless-officially-canceled-897479 |
| 23:47.17 | Amarande | fewyn: has CBS really had that many good shows lately? besides NCIS, BBT, Survivor, and CSI |
| 23:47.26 | Amarande | well, there was Good Wife too, but that seems to have ended as well |
| 23:48.06 | fewyn | ncis actually had a pretty good season finale |
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| 23:53.59 | Munk | I wonder if I'll even get to 110 before beta ends |
| 23:55.09 | foxlit | they're nerfing the xp requirements of the last few levels. |
| 23:55.31 | Munk | Not that I'm slow or anything, coding keeps me occupied |
| 23:55.34 | foxlit | As it is now, you can probably get to 110 in about a week's worth of evenings. |
| 23:55.52 | Semlar | who knows how long that might take! |
| 23:56.40 | Munk | Hey Semlar, you're good with pattern matching, no? |
| 23:56.42 | foxlit | (I've written exactly 0 lines of legion code, which I suppose makes me a horrible person.) |
| 23:56.56 | Semlar | regex is the cause and solution to all of life's problems |
| 23:57.19 | Munk | local t = "CLICK TestButton:AnyButton" -> "TestButton" |
| 23:57.32 | foxlit | " [^:]+" |
| 23:57.43 | foxlit | or " ([^:]+)" |
| 23:57.47 | Semlar | out of that entire string? |
| 23:57.52 | Semlar | or just t |
| 23:58.05 | Munk | t should be "TestButton" |
| 23:58.12 | Munk | fake code is best code |
| 23:58.30 | Semlar | but your source text is all of "CLICK TestButton:AnyButton"? |
| 23:59.36 | Munk | I have these tooltip lines that display bindings, and some bindings might not have a "BINDING_NAME_"..binding string, in which case I'd like to omit the click text |
