| 00:06.21 | plaw | ps towel day wednesday |
| 00:06.58 | Torhal | NodusCursorius: Why would I have a bra, out of curiosity? |
| 00:07.15 | Stanzilla | got a lot of pussy around the house |
| 00:07.43 | Stanzilla | imagine, in every bra you can carry at least 2 kittens |
| 00:08.10 | Torhal | I don't have any kittens. The youngest turned a year old at the beginning of this month. |
| 00:08.27 | Stanzilla | well ok then |
| 00:10.23 | Ironii | Torhal you have a water pipe with some kind of cap on in your yard ? o.o |
| 00:10.37 | Torhal | Yeah. |
| 00:10.47 | Ironii | ...why? |
| 00:10.52 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:11.08 | Torhal | I didn't even know it was there until my flowerbed was a swimming pool and my yard a bog. |
| 00:12.02 | Ironii | is it just a single pipe coming from your house? |
| 00:13.41 | Torhal | It's a vertical PVC pipe that was buried in the flowerbed. Had a flimsy-ass plastic "knockout plug" cap on it. |
| 00:14.26 | Stanzilla | where does it end? |
| 00:15.02 | Torhal | No clue. It's just buried in the ground. Well, it was until it started emerging. |
| 00:15.11 | Torhal | It's now about 8 inches taller than it was previously. |
| 00:15.13 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:15.15 | plaw | tickles Wobin |
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| 00:16.33 | Ironii | how big is it? |
| 00:16.57 | mckenziemc | bigger than yours |
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| 00:18.59 | Torhal | Ironii: 4" according to the cap (and the new one fit it) |
| 00:20.06 | Semlar | what's the pip for |
| 00:20.13 | Semlar | +e |
| 00:20.26 | Torhal | No clue. |
| 00:20.31 | mckenziemc | flooding, Semlar |
| 00:20.44 | Semlar | it had a pop-up drain on it? |
| 00:20.50 | Stanzilla | a plant watering system gone rogue? |
| 00:21.01 | Ironii | 4" pipe full of water with just a cap on burried in yard, where the hell do you live o.o |
| 00:21.06 | Ironii | that sounds insane |
| 00:21.10 | Semlar | it's almost certainly for drainage |
| 00:21.30 | Torhal | Well it isn't draining, it's emitting water. Until I turned the main off, that is. |
| 00:22.09 | kd3 | 4"? pvc? |
| 00:22.15 | kd3 | seems a bit big for a drainage field pipe |
| 00:22.18 | Semlar | what kind of cap did it have on it |
| 00:22.26 | Semlar | nevermind |
| 00:23.07 | Torhal | Semlar: http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=23408-1814-PVC+00131++1200&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3339786&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1#3d |
| 00:23.13 | Stanzilla | maybe your neighbor is stealing your water |
| 00:23.17 | Torhal | o.O |
| 00:23.18 | Stanzilla | is water expensive where you live? |
| 00:23.33 | Torhal | I don't know, really. |
| 00:23.37 | Semlar | he might have a burst pipe or something |
| 00:23.38 | Stanzilla | are you in the desert maybe? |
| 00:23.41 | Torhal | No |
| 00:23.49 | Stanzilla | are you sure? |
| 00:23.51 | Stanzilla | can you check? |
| 00:23.53 | Stanzilla | is there sand? |
| 00:23.58 | Iriel | Torhal: The drainage for my retaining wall has risers like that for cleaning |
| 00:24.01 | Torhal | checks Stanzilla for signs of Fisker. |
| 00:24.17 | Torhal | Hrm. |
| 00:24.46 | mckenziemc | "Not intended for pressure use" |
| 00:25.47 | Iriel | Torhal: https://goo.gl/photos/PfFbLKvRK6fptWcq7 |
| 00:25.48 | Ironii | is the outside of the pipe smooth or textured(?) |
| 00:25.58 | Torhal | Smooth |
| 00:26.15 | Torhal | Iriel: Yeah, looks like that but was buried under gravel in the flower bed. |
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| 00:26.27 | Iriel | It goes down then joins at an angle with the almost-horizontal perforated drain |
| 00:26.30 | kd3 | septic or sewer? |
| 00:26.37 | Torhal | Sewer. |
| 00:26.47 | Iriel | There's one of those every 20 feet or so, to enable washing out etc. |
| 00:26.54 | Semlar | have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 00:27.01 | kd3 | hm. I'm leaning towards iriel's access pipe for cleaning |
| 00:27.14 | Torhal | mumbles something about juvenile fuckwits while looking Semlar's way. |
| 00:27.26 | Iriel | My sewer line has something about the same size, but with a tight-fitting lid. |
| 00:27.44 | Torhal | So somehow this pipe became pressurized. That sounds all kinds of inexpensive. |
| 00:27.47 | Torhal | sighs. |
| 00:28.23 | Iriel | The sewer line would leak if there's a blockage somewhere. |
| 00:28.48 | Torhal | But this is tied to the main. I turn that off, the water stops coming out. |
| 00:28.48 | Iriel | Though why turning off your water main stopped the leak.... |
| 00:28.51 | Torhal | Yeah... |
| 00:28.54 | Torhal | That seems... bad. |
| 00:28.58 | Iriel | It's possible you have a water main leak |
| 00:28.59 | Ironii | hmph, im guessing its an old casing pipe, but who knows, if it is its going to be expensive ;P |
| 00:29.12 | Iriel | There was one in this house when I moved in, that I didn't discover for 5 years. |
| 00:29.35 | Iriel | (It wasn't a huge leak, more a "seep" at first) |
| 00:29.54 | Iriel | Do you have an irrigation system? |
| 00:30.02 | Iriel | And if so, does it have its own shut-off? |
| 00:30.07 | Torhal | I should head downstairs; the plumber should be here any moment. |
| 00:30.17 | Semlar | he's got an irrigation system now |
| 00:30.18 | Torhal | Iriel: I have sprinklers that I haven't used in five years. |
| 00:30.34 | mckenziemc | is the plumber coming on a raft? |
| 00:31.13 | Torhal | pickles mckenziemc in puréed Amarande. |
| 00:31.31 | Torhal | Ok, heading down. |
| 00:31.57 | mckenziemc | don't forget your diving gear |
| 00:31.57 | kd3 | ouch. calling a plumber at 7:30pm local time on a sunday night is expensive |
| 00:31.58 | Torhal | Iriel: Yeah, it does - it's been turned off for years. Two meters in the front yard. |
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| 00:32.38 | Torhal | Actually called him at 6:30 but he was on a job. Just called a few (no idea how many) minutes ago saying he was 20 minutes out. |
| 00:35.42 | Iriel | Speaking of plumbing, I have to finish replacing a toilet valve. |
| 00:36.48 | Munk | Here's a completely off-topic question in light of this channel's apparent focus on plumbing: are suggestions submitted through customer support in-game likely to be implemented if they're constructive and valid? |
| 00:37.04 | Ironii | water leaks are fun, few years ago at a house iw as working on, plumber did a half assed job when he weld the main water pipe and it broke off, it was really fun trying to find the main valve from outside under 50cm of snow and try to shut it down |
| 00:37.25 | nebula | Munk: likely? no |
| 00:37.46 | Ironii | lucky that we visited the worksite, otherwise it would have leaked with full pressure for 4 days |
| 00:37.56 | Predicate | Not likely, but possible if they happen to align with the devs' needs and whims and time management. |
| 00:38.02 | Munk | Trying to figure out a decent forum to make my case, but there's not really a suggestion box on the beta forums. |
| 00:38.19 | kd3 | general or bug reports with 'suggestion' in the subject line |
| 00:38.22 | kd3 | it'll get read, I promise |
| 00:38.24 | Munk | This is pretty much a one line of code type of change that would benefit my needs greatly. |
| 00:42.56 | Ironii | considering /castglyph was bugged for 5(?) years, you should submit a suggestion and pray for every deity that you know |
| 00:43.09 | kullervo | there's a /castglyph? |
| 00:43.20 | Ironii | yeah |
| 00:43.27 | kullervo | what does it do |
| 00:43.39 | Semlar | applies a glyph |
| 00:43.42 | Ironii | casts a glyph to a glyph slot |
| 00:43.47 | nebula | added a glyph, but only worked if the glyph name was one word |
| 00:43.48 | Ironii | only works for single worded glyphs tho |
| 00:43.59 | kullervo | very useful |
| 00:44.10 | kullervo | can't think of a single scenario where it could be used |
| 00:44.14 | Ironii | string.match is hard |
| 00:44.56 | Ironii | if it worked like it should, you could create a macro with /castglyph glyph glyphslot and just use single macro to replace your current glyphs |
| 00:45.01 | nebula | maybe when they were still working on path of the titans for swapping stuff around, but yea, pretty silly |
| 00:45.59 | Semlar | people use it to swap glyphs with a macro for fights |
| 00:46.48 | Ironii | im quite sure castglyph ignored the confirmation popup and just applied the glyphs intantly |
| 00:46.54 | Ironii | been too long since i last tested it |
| 00:48.19 | Munk | Semlar: 1) do you have a link to your lazyPlates concept video? and 2) is it okay to publically share it? |
| 00:48.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.27 | Munk | Thanks :) |
| 00:50.53 | nebula | Ironii: see? if you have an idea, Semlar has already implemented it and then stopped working on it |
| 00:51.16 | Ironii | :D |
| 00:51.18 | Semlar | it's true |
| 00:51.28 | Semlar | sometimes i don't even start |
| 00:51.51 | Ironii | are you planning on adding stuff like auras, range checks etc ? |
| 00:52.08 | Semlar | pfffft, plans? |
| 00:52.09 | nebula | don't even need to steal the actual nameplate anymore |
| 00:52.23 | Semlar | yeah if i were making an addon now it would be a lot simpler |
| 00:52.28 | Semlar | a looooot simpler |
| 00:52.42 | Semlar | couldn't be more complicated |
| 00:53.05 | Ironii | oh yeah that was for wod, didn't even notice |
| 00:53.33 | Semlar | that's just when i made that video, i made the concept a long time before that |
| 00:53.38 | Semlar | i don't even know when |
| 00:53.54 | Semlar | actually i do, it was definitely MoP |
| 00:54.14 | Semlar | i remember stacking the nameplates of everyone in shrine into a giant list that went off the screen |
| 00:55.40 | Ironii | are you planning on doing something similar now that its alot easier? |
| 00:57.41 | Semlar | i found a screenshot of it from february of 2014 |
| 00:58.53 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/XAIFbbl.jpg |
| 00:59.22 | Ironii | why didn't you finish it :( |
| 00:59.38 | Semlar | i didn't like it |
| 01:00.07 | Semlar | nameplates were too volatile |
| 01:00.41 | Ironii | :/ |
| 01:00.47 | Semlar | and i didn't like them being separate from the unit in the game world |
| 01:00.53 | Semlar | it was confusing |
| 01:01.02 | plaw | sits on kd3 |
| 01:01.19 | Ironii | now its quite nice addition since you can just mirror the nameplates |
| 01:01.36 | Ironii | if i could only figure out how to reposition them in combat :/ |
| 01:01.41 | kd3 | ? |
| 01:02.20 | Semlar | why would you need to reposition them |
| 01:03.20 | Semlar | you want static unit frames right? |
| 01:03.34 | Ironii | assuming you have 30 mirrored nameplates in a grid, if you are missing a few units it looks weird |
| 01:03.50 | Semlar | trust me when i say you don't want to shuffle them around when one leaves |
| 01:04.15 | Semlar | it's going to make it a nightmare to click on something |
| 01:04.20 | Ironii | true |
| 01:04.29 | Munk | Semlar: I'm considering changing my system to just pop up a grid of plates instead of using the scale/mouseover hack. So disappointed that unit IDs don't propagate to the secure holder frame :( |
| 01:04.42 | Ironii | but having a 5x6 grid with only nameplate1 & 30 showing is just weird |
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| 01:04.55 | Semlar | that would rarely happen |
| 01:05.34 | Ironii | tbh if such a case happens, its easy enough to refresh the frames manually, just hide/show nameplates |
| 01:05.35 | Semlar | as long as you put a new unit in the first available slot every time it shows up |
| 01:05.54 | Semlar | you won't usually end up with large gaps in between them |
| 01:06.12 | Ironii | im currently using static places for each unitid |
| 01:06.20 | Semlar | you can't modify nameplate cvars in combat |
| 01:06.45 | Munk | They don't really use unit IDs randomly. It would most likely appear as a descending list in most cases. |
| 01:06.48 | Ironii | but the user can hide & show with a keybinding pritty easily |
| 01:07.07 | Semlar | you can do it with a keybinding or possibly making a macro click the checkbox in the interface |
| 01:07.19 | Semlar | you just can't call SetCVar directly |
| 01:07.28 | Semlar | well |
| 01:07.40 | Semlar | at the moment you could literally call SetCVar on any cvar and get the nameplates to refresh but that's obviously a bug |
| 01:07.41 | Ironii | Munk but if you don't lose sight of a nameplate, its unitid will never change |
| 01:08.19 | Munk | That's true, but it isn't an everyday scenario where you get to nameplate30 and nameplate1 is gone. |
| 01:09.34 | Munk | It might look patchy at times, but in most cases there shouldn't be that much of a gap inbetween frames |
| 01:10.24 | Ironii | in current content, mannoroth (non mythic) would be such a fight where you can have alot of nameplates for units that will die soon and then a boss wich will last for a long time |
| 01:11.50 | Ironii | and everytime you pull a boss with trash |
| 01:12.10 | Munk | How about something like oPie but with name plates? 30 plates in a circle sounds like a great idea. |
| 01:12.29 | Ironii | :D |
| 01:12.55 | Ironii | grid style ftw |
| 01:13.31 | Semlar | i actually attempted to make something like opie with nameplates but quickly decided it wasn't very practical |
| 01:13.44 | Munk | Well, there you go. :p |
| 01:13.58 | Munk | "see? if you have an idea, Semlar has already implemented it and then stopped working on it" |
| 01:14.02 | Ironii | ^^ |
| 01:14.05 | Semlar | maybe with a controller it might be better |
| 01:14.30 | Semlar | but with a mouse i could just have clicked on the unit on screen in less time than it would take to find the guy in the ring |
| 01:14.31 | Ironii | unitframe style that you don't see any healer using, isn't usefull for hostile targets |
| 01:14.34 | Munk | Problem is I can't get axis values since WoW doesn't support Xinput. I'm stuck with a radial 8-step input. |
| 01:14.50 | Semlar | and if there's a lot of units it's worse |
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| 01:15.44 | Munk | I'm on the verge of giving up and accepting the fact that my addon is made for casuals and casuals only |
| 01:16.01 | Ironii | link |
| 01:16.11 | Munk | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23536-ConsolePort-GameControllerAddon.html |
| 01:16.56 | Ironii | mhh, are you surprised that only casuals are using controller for wow ? :D |
| 01:17.17 | Munk | Well, no :p |
| 01:17.19 | NodusCursorius | s/casuals/casuls/ |
| 01:17.47 | Munk | But I think it's still a good idea to try and make it as good as possible in case someone wants to raid mythic from their couch |
| 01:18.46 | Ironii | if i saw someone raiding with me with a controller, i would smash their head to the wall so hard |
| 01:18.49 | Ironii | :P |
| 01:19.19 | Munk | Having played with it for a year or so, you wouldn't be able to tell if it were me :) |
| 01:19.45 | NodusCursorius | I'm not sure if that says something about class complexity being reduced or not. |
| 01:20.16 | Ironii | Munk or you are just used to playing with casuals ;) |
| 01:20.32 | Munk | Nah, not really. Addon supports 50+ bindings on a pad, and it's been a long time since we needed more than that to prosper. |
| 01:21.14 | NodusCursorius | The binding number is less useful a metric than speed and accuracy of access. |
| 01:21.15 | nebula | some people get insanely good using what would be a strange setup to most people |
| 01:21.18 | Semlar | i don't care what someone uses as long as they can play |
| 01:21.43 | Semlar | it's always weird to me when people complain about someone else's interface or keybinding setup |
| 01:22.07 | Munk | I complain about clickers, but maybe I shouldn't if they can hold their own |
| 01:22.20 | Semlar | i bet i have a video of me clicking on my spells |
| 01:22.21 | NodusCursorius | People tend to understand themselves poorly, Semlar. That's the entire purpose of education. |
| 01:23.10 | nebula | always funny to see the raid leader yelling at someone to cast something then they pull up their spell book and look for the spell |
| 01:23.32 | Semlar | >_> |
| 01:23.37 | nebula | if it can't ain't it ain't on my bars! |
| 01:23.43 | nebula | s/can't// |
| 01:23.47 | nebula | erm |
| 01:23.55 | Semlar | i might have done that with tranq shot in the middle of a fight |
| 01:23.55 | nebula | if it ain't dps, it ain't on my bars |
| 01:23.57 | Ironii | we wiped a few times on tyrant becouse our mage didn't have spellsteal on actionbars.. |
| 01:23.59 | nebula | let me just start over |
| 01:24.05 | nebula | yea |
| 01:24.17 | Ironii | at some point he just opened the spellbook and used spellsteal from there |
| 01:24.27 | Munk | NodusCursorius: Speed is limited to the global cooldown and there's no issue matching that with a pad. Dexterity does come into play when it comes to controlling the camera, but it has a short learning curve if you use it frequently. |
| 01:24.31 | nebula | that how our druid used roar for awhile |
| 01:24.36 | Ironii | and we are talking about one of the best dps players that there are :DD |
| 01:25.09 | Semlar | me? |
| 01:25.14 | nebula | obviously |
| 01:25.18 | nebula | bodypull r1 |
| 01:25.20 | Semlar | that's what i thought |
| 01:25.31 | Ironii | tbh verdisha is like that, if using a spell isn't a dps gain, most likely he doens't have it in action bars |
| 01:25.50 | Munk | We all know pandaren can't be rank one. |
| 01:26.09 | nebula | na, we have different standards here |
| 01:26.56 | Predicate | Munk: Global cooldowns don't cover everything, movement and camera control is an obvious one but consider pet actions and stuff too. |
| 01:27.26 | Ironii | Munk but how easy it is to do stuff like mouseover dotting, interrupting, or utility with a controller? |
| 01:27.28 | Predicate | There's no way I can use my pet to kite something if I can't accurately place the move-to marker in the world while also casting my rotation. |
| 01:28.09 | Ironii | well, it doens't matter if its easy or not, but can you do it without sacrificing dps/hps/what ever you are doing |
| 01:31.12 | Ironii | it doesn't really matter if you click your abilities or smash your head to the keyboard on single target fight, but with multiple targets its getting harder and harder to play your class to the fullest potential, im assuming doing it with a controller (or clicking) will make that even harder ;p |
| 01:32.19 | Semlar | how are you supposed to roll your face on a controller |
| 01:32.39 | Ironii | smash your head with it ? |
| 01:32.40 | Munk | It's true that it isn't easier and getting good at it takes quite a lot of time. I've /facepalmed at videos of it in use (don't tell anyone), but it's completely viable in most cases. |
| 01:33.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.58 | Predicate | SemlarDying.mp4 |
| 01:34.18 | Semlar | i'm so bad at this game |
| 01:34.19 | Ironii | why are you in melee range as a hunter |
| 01:34.21 | Ironii | :( |
| 01:34.24 | Semlar | what |
| 01:34.45 | Predicate | Do you not see the floor? |
| 01:34.51 | Predicate | His options are melee, or death. |
| 01:35.03 | Semlar | the boss was too close to us but that wasn't our fault |
| 01:35.32 | Semlar | sometimes they aren't very cooperative with movement |
| 01:35.39 | Ironii | pah, unless your raid is failing hard, ranged shouldn't need to come to melee range, much less die to a stun ^.^ |
| 01:35.59 | Semlar | you know this is from like when the raid came out |
| 01:36.25 | Predicate | Psh, Ironii was obviously day one mythic. |
| 01:37.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.56 | Semlar | me breaking more stuff |
| 01:38.16 | Ironii | actually i only played on a few bosses during hm & brf, im not really a dps player, its so boring |
| 01:38.36 | Semlar | the siegemaker tried to lock onto someone who got knocked over it |
| 01:38.41 | Ironii | wtf are those arrows |
| 01:38.42 | Ironii | :D |
| 01:38.43 | Semlar | and then just broke |
| 01:38.59 | Semlar | went after random targets |
| 01:39.51 | Predicate | The arrows follow what people are targeting |
| 01:39.52 | Semlar | those are targeting arrows |
| 01:40.00 | Semlar | part of my nameplates |
| 01:40.01 | Predicate | And the crosshairs follow the tank |
| 01:40.06 | Semlar | focus target |
| 01:40.13 | Predicate | Because Semlar's brain doesn't work like the rest of us |
| 01:40.21 | Semlar | it's not my fault |
| 01:40.36 | Ironii | are you still using those targeting arrows? |
| 01:40.47 | Semlar | well if i were still playing i would be |
| 01:41.13 | Semlar | actually i was thinking about redoing them because they're kind of a clusterfuck with a lot of players |
| 01:43.01 | Munk | local plate for i=1, 30 do if UnitIsUnit("focus", "nameplate"..i) then plate = C_NamePlate.GetNamePlateForUnit("nameplate"..i) end end |
| 01:43.33 | Semlar | oh i found one where i click things |
| 01:43.36 | Munk | I never got into name plate hacking in the old system. Was probably a real headache |
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| 01:43.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.00 | Ironii | Munk if you just want to know the nameplate id for your focus you can use local nameplate = C_NamePlate.GetNamePlateForUnit('focus'); local unit = nameplate.UnitFrame.unit |
| 01:46.09 | Munk | lol |
| 01:48.18 | Semlar | why would you need the unit ._. |
| 01:48.41 | Munk | You wouldn't. |
| 01:49.47 | Munk | I'm not really into customizing the UI. I'm just trying to make my shit work with everything :) |
| 01:50.07 | Ironii | Semlar becouse i needed ? ;) |
| 01:50.12 | Ironii | but same shit applies |
| 01:50.27 | Ironii | you don't need to loop trough |
| 01:50.42 | Munk | I imagine that's what had to be done in the old system |
| 01:51.39 | Semlar | the old system required you to associate a guid with a nameplate and then match it against your focus |
| 01:52.02 | Semlar | and it wasn't half as fun as it sounds |
| 01:52.41 | Munk | This is the length I went to just to allow custom UIs to work properly with my addon: https://i.gyazo.com/8f4c7919143013ba70b8fc7e89b71db4.jpg |
| 01:54.30 | Munk | It sounds really terrible. |
| 01:56.40 | Munk | I wonder if we'll get some UI options for the action cam |
| 01:57.07 | Semlar | i don't think the action cam was intentionally exposed |
| 01:57.16 | Munk | They better not remove it :( |
| 01:57.27 | kd3 | and the lengths they went to prune the UI options... I'd be shocked if it shows |
| 01:57.40 | nebula | yea, i wonder what blizzard is going to do about it, it seemed like it was intented for their scripted scenes with names and such |
| 01:57.47 | nebula | intended* |
| 01:57.53 | Semlar | it looked like it might have been for spectating arena matches or something |
| 01:57.56 | Munk | It's become quite a thing on the interwebs now. It would be unwise to remove it imo. |
| 01:58.36 | Munk | but /console cameraOverShoulder 4000 should probably not be a thing. |
| 01:58.51 | nebula | the number is a distance? |
| 01:58.55 | Semlar | yep |
| 01:58.57 | nebula | heh |
| 01:59.05 | Semlar | i found that out when i was playing with the cvars |
| 01:59.14 | nebula | oh yea, you did a little gif |
| 01:59.15 | Semlar | well first i tried -1 to see if it would do anything |
| 01:59.32 | Munk | If you're airborne in Stormwind, you can check out the landscape in Dun Morogh |
| 01:59.34 | Semlar | and that switched shoulders so i tried 2 |
| 01:59.39 | Semlar | and it moved the camera farther |
| 02:00.40 | nebula | i'm sure it'll get clamped like the other camera stuff |
| 02:01.19 | Munk | I added the target focusing as a feature. Only time it annoys me is by auto-targeting from Fel Rush as DH. |
| 02:01.31 | Iriel | Is anyone else going to one of the Overwatch "launch" events at the cinema this evening/ |
| 02:01.32 | Iriel | ? |
| 02:01.42 | nebula | also Munk, nice work on console port, i always thought it looked neat even if i don't use a controller, you obviously have spend a lot of time on it |
| 02:02.06 | kd3 | didn't even look. is there something going on in eastbay? |
| 02:02.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.42 | Iriel | kd3: https://www.tugg.com/titles/overwatch-launch-celebration |
| 02:02.55 | Iriel | kd3: One of them is in walnut creek, so I figured why not |
| 02:03.12 | Iriel | (There were more potential events, only those with sufficient interest actually got scheduled) |
| 02:03.39 | nebula | i remember when we had to have our hunter actually use silencing shot to interrupt something important, back when you macro'd that shit into everything, he'd use the spell book for it |
| 02:03.44 | Iriel | While I doubt very much you're in the mood to drive out here for a 9-11pm thing, if you /do/ I have an extra ticket |
| 02:04.00 | Semlar | i miss arcane shot dispelling |
| 02:04.07 | Semlar | that wasn't op at all |
| 02:04.15 | nebula | lol |
| 02:04.30 | Ironii | when was that, can't even remember |
| 02:04.49 | Semlar | cataclysm or early mop i think |
| 02:04.55 | Munk | nebula: Thanks :) and yes, I've spent way too much time on it. |
| 02:05.53 | Munk | I only ever went to one of those release events, which was when WotLK was released. |
| 02:06.14 | nebula | i remember it was like r7 arcane shot in tbc that dispelled, no idea when they removed it |
| 02:06.19 | Ironii | Bc icon Patch 2.3.0 (13-Nov-2007): Arcane Shot (Ranks 6 and above) now dispel 1 Magic effect in addition to their normal damage. |
| 02:06.21 | Semlar | it was wrath |
| 02:06.28 | nebula | r6, close enough |
| 02:06.30 | Ironii | close enough :D |
| 02:06.32 | Semlar | well, removed in wrath |
| 02:06.48 | Semlar | apparently older than i thought |
| 02:07.03 | Munk | Don't we all miss spell ranks? |
| 02:07.07 | kd3 | ugh |
| 02:07.17 | nebula | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.21 | Semlar | i did enjoy scrolling through like 10 pages of spells to find the one i was looking for |
| 02:07.23 | kd3 | though downranking heals was useful, not worth it with players forgetting to learn ranks |
| 02:09.07 | Semlar | i remember when i could dual wield bows http://i.imgur.com/Y2p0cN0.jpg |
| 02:09.45 | Munk | Wait, what |
| 02:09.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/7DEycwj.jpg |
| 02:10.24 | Semlar | graphical bug |
| 02:11.20 | Munk | I remember when you could create custom dances by keyboard turning |
| 02:13.01 | Munk | Still possible with old character models |
| 02:15.31 | Munk | Does anyone have a good method of concatenating a nested table into a string? |
| 02:16.05 | Semlar | how |
| 02:16.07 | nebula | recursive table.concat? |
| 02:16.57 | Munk | I want to create a profile export feature that converts a nested table into a string that can be imported on other clients |
| 02:17.00 | Semlar | what does the table look like |
| 02:17.04 | Munk | Here's what that table would look like: http://pastebin.com/CT7GmDsA |
| 02:17.21 | Ironii | i started looking trough old screenshots and noticed that my total played on the account has increased by only 290days on the last 6 years o.o |
| 02:17.28 | Semlar | you want to serialize the table? |
| 02:17.30 | nebula | ace has a serialize lib you can look at |
| 02:18.04 | Munk | Yep, but the modifier keys can be omitted and changed to numbers just to make it short and sweet |
| 02:18.40 | Ironii | i had 460 days late wotlk (26/7/10), 748days a month ago (18/4/16) |
| 02:18.58 | Ironii | quite surprising tbh |
| 02:19.07 | nebula | i made an addon for sharing pb4 profiles, serialized the table, compressed it then base64 encoded it |
| 02:19.29 | nebula | your use case looks like it's a lot more simple |
| 02:19.54 | Ironii | nebula want to do the same for iTargetingFrames ? :) |
| 02:20.01 | Ironii | i can give you a hug if you ever visit finland |
| 02:20.30 | nebula | it's like four lines of code to implement, all library based :p |
| 02:21.07 | Ironii | i guess then i won't promise anything more than a simple hug :( |
| 02:21.53 | nebula | you'll want more when i get there ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 02:23.03 | Semlar | what does a complicated hug look like |
| 02:23.33 | nebula | but yea, http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-serializer-3-0/ -> http://www.wowace.com/addons/libcompress/ -> http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbase64-1-0/ |
| 02:23.34 | Munk | Rocking a semi but trying to hide it by arching your back |
| 02:23.37 | Munk | :( |
| 02:23.41 | nebula | think weakauras does something similar |
| 02:24.20 | Ironii | Semlar complicated hugs are more intimate, and will most likely happen in sauna, or right after it |
| 02:25.18 | Munk | I heard having a sauna at home is mainly a Finnish/Swedish thing |
| 02:25.31 | Munk | How could you live without one, honestly. |
| 02:25.45 | Ironii | i don't have one :'( |
| 02:25.52 | Semlar | i could just turn off my air conditioner |
| 02:25.59 | nebula | i have one, but it's lined with asbestos tiles >.> |
| 02:26.26 | Ironii | meh, asbestos is save if you don't do anything to it |
| 02:26.51 | Semlar | yeah don't provoke it |
| 02:26.52 | kd3 | like breathe near it |
| 02:27.02 | Semlar | don't make any sudden movements |
| 02:27.04 | kd3 | or look at it the wrong way |
| 02:28.02 | Ironii | heh, funny thing, in finland they are trying to make it illegal to remove anything with asbestos without covering the whole house |
| 02:28.12 | Ironii | even if you don't smash it |
| 02:28.39 | Ironii | so any asbestos dust stays inside the covers instead of flying away x) |
| 02:32.13 | Ironii | hmph, i miss 10man raiding in mop, it was fun topping healing meters as a prot paladin :( |
| 02:33.37 | nebula | our paladin hated it |
| 02:33.44 | nebula | ef all the things |
| 02:34.01 | Munk | I played Brewmaster in mop. Mop had few big-dick moments as DPS since tanks were so frequently on top of the meters. |
| 02:34.50 | Ironii | only thing i hated about using EF was the threat |
| 02:35.03 | Ironii | canceling RF while tanking was just stupid |
| 02:35.14 | nebula | i think my favorite mop moment was soloing the last 15% of heroic thok for our first kill |
| 02:35.40 | Munk | Is Thok the big dinosaur? |
| 02:35.42 | nebula | yea |
| 02:35.48 | Munk | I did something similar :D |
| 02:35.58 | nebula | just tank thingns |
| 02:36.23 | kullervo | Ironii: you... don't still top healing meters as prot paladin? |
| 02:36.23 | Munk | Vengeance was just crazy. As a tank, I was sad to see it go :p |
| 02:36.43 | kullervo | Ofc if there's a holy paladin in the group, that might make things harder even if you try to top the meters |
| 02:36.52 | Ironii | i played really as a real support protadin on thok, i was basicly the 3rd healer xD |
| 02:36.58 | Ironii | kullervo ofc not |
| 02:37.09 | kullervo | scrub :P |
| 02:37.36 | Ironii | healing and using absorbs is such a big dps loss that no sane protadin would do it |
| 02:37.48 | kullervo | you do it to top the healing meter |
| 02:38.00 | kullervo | and to rank high on the tank rankings just to show off you can do it |
| 02:38.56 | Ironii | hah, i was just a huge dps whore during farm that i canceled our resto druid's hots and holy paladins beacons |
| 02:39.09 | Ironii | and ofc every absorb and use /sit |
| 02:39.20 | kullervo | yeah ofc I have a macro to cancelaura all absorbs and hots |
| 02:39.33 | kullervo | but sitting down is too risky, bosses can and will global you from 100% |
| 02:39.57 | Munk | I remember intentionally taking huge amounts of damage just to stack Vengeance. |
| 02:40.20 | kullervo | like archi heroic crits for 800k-1.2m, imagine what mythic bosses do |
| 02:40.21 | Munk | Much to the dismay of our healers |
| 02:40.37 | kullervo | Munk: oh, my healers encouraged me to do it |
| 02:40.38 | Ironii | there isn't a single boss in the current content that can insta kill you with melee swings |
| 02:40.48 | kullervo | Ironii: do you only raid normal or what |
| 02:41.00 | Ironii | no, mythic |
| 02:41.03 | kd3 | I still miss magetanking onyxia to give our healers something to do |
| 02:41.16 | kullervo | pretty sure velhari mythic technichally melees for overkill even without critting |
| 02:41.23 | nebula | "Ironii: do you only raid normal or what" lol |
| 02:42.14 | Ironii | in p3 yea, if you don't have any cd's up |
| 02:42.27 | kullervo | I never took intentional crits from M bosses, they hit hard enough to proc class trinket even without cheesing >_> |
| 02:42.39 | Ironii | mhhhhh, are you tanking naked ? :D |
| 02:43.04 | Ironii | can't always proc even with sitting on every swing |
| 02:43.26 | Ironii | and geared for max dps |
| 02:43.37 | kullervo | without any absorbs up it should proc if a boss crits |
| 02:44.42 | Ironii | i don't actually cancel sotr, becouse we didn't have that many healers |
| 02:44.50 | Ironii | and none of the bosses can one shot you with sotr up |
| 02:44.55 | kullervo | except iskar kormok, council who cannot into melee hits |
| 02:45.53 | Ironii | but in bosses like zakuun, i can't always proc during the ring even without any heals |
| 02:46.13 | kullervo | hmh yeah during the ring I can only proc it if I time it to some specific ability |
| 02:46.13 | Ironii | even our boomkin stopped using vigil so it wouldn't heal me ;P |
| 02:46.38 | kullervo | having a bear OT doesn't help either |
| 02:47.06 | kullervo | or alternatively, a DK, who heals even more unintentionally |
| 02:47.08 | Ironii | meh, prot paladin + guardian does the best dps combined |
| 02:47.19 | kullervo | yeah sure, but it kills your personal megatrinketprocs :P |
| 02:47.39 | Ironii | lets see do i have any r1's left ;P |
| 02:47.40 | kullervo | the bear just plays soul kappa soul of the forest |
| 02:49.13 | Ironii | hah, still a 100k lead on hellfire assault |
| 02:49.13 | Ironii | :D |
| 02:49.18 | kullervo | neat |
| 02:49.32 | kullervo | I haven't had the time to cheese anything properly during this expansion |
| 02:49.53 | kullervo | had consistent orange ranks with the occasional r1 since wotlk |
| 02:50.15 | kullervo | although back then logs were rare |
| 02:50.15 | Ironii | i stopped raiding at the end of february :( |
| 02:50.34 | Ironii | surprised that i still have #1 on one boss |
| 02:51.12 | Ironii | seems to be only #10 tho |
| 02:52.09 | kullervo | I'm proudest of my current #32 on heroic flame druid which was #1 before blizz overbuffed seal of corruption |
| 02:52.47 | kullervo | there's a difference of several months between that rank and all the higher ones ":D" |
| 02:53.02 | Ironii | ^^ |
| 02:53.39 | Ironii | https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/151281/latest |
| 02:53.57 | nebula | show off |
| 02:54.01 | Ironii | x) |
| 02:54.24 | kullervo | wtb proper dps in my guild |
| 02:54.26 | Ironii | sucks that there are so many bosses without a solid try |
| 02:54.35 | kullervo | so they'd actually have more damage done than me |
| 02:55.03 | Ironii | never had a chance to try Kormrok, Council, Killrog, Xhul'horac, Socrethar, Mannoroth |
| 02:55.05 | kullervo | like iron reaver, I have disgustingly high dps during the first minute but it goes to hell after 2 minutes |
| 02:55.08 | Ironii | well, one try at socrethar |
| 02:58.27 | Ironii | btw kullervo, where are you from? |
| 02:58.42 | Ironii | nvm, dns |
| 02:58.44 | Ironii | x) |
| 02:59.13 | kullervo | it's actually my name |
| 02:59.36 | Ironii | really O.o |
| 02:59.41 | Ironii | can't be. |
| 02:59.47 | nebula | he lives down the street |
| 03:00.49 | Ironii | seems like there are more kullervos in finland than i thought |
| 03:00.58 | kullervo | it's still a very rare name |
| 03:01.20 | kullervo | but it seems kullervos want to see big... numbers |
| 03:01.24 | Ironii | well, it sounds like a straight from a kaleva or something |
| 03:02.04 | kullervo | could it be because it is |
| 03:02.19 | Ironii | tbh i have never met anyone named kullervo who was under 60 |
| 03:02.29 | Ironii | thats why i thought it was just a nickname ;P |
| 03:02.43 | kullervo | nah that's "kultsi" |
| 03:03.03 | kullervo | "darling" for those who cannot into moonspeak |
| 03:04.22 | Ironii | http://ironi.fi/WoWScrnShot_041816_172704.jpg |
| 03:04.58 | Ironii | paladin & priest name x) |
| 03:14.20 | Trela | God damn that is a lot of gold. |
| 03:15.21 | kullervo | lol |
| 03:16.00 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-05-23_06-15-54.png |
| 03:16.11 | kullervo | earned / per day |
| 03:16.35 | Trela | My earned per day would be 100 gold. |
| 03:16.39 | kullervo | I'm deemed poor by some |
| 03:17.15 | kullervo | although there's this one guy who inspects my stats every now and then and goes ":OOOO" |
| 03:17.49 | Ironii | yea its really easy to get gold in wod |
| 03:18.27 | Trela | Still broke only making maybe 1,000 gold a week. :P |
| 03:18.29 | kullervo | yeah, it all ends up in my pockets |
| 03:18.36 | Ironii | i haven't done anything after HM expect garrisons |
| 03:18.43 | Ironii | during HM i farmed some mythic trash |
| 03:18.49 | kullervo | I don't farm anything |
| 03:19.00 | kullervo | that's just some filthy AH gaming |
| 03:19.19 | Ironii | i guess i should get some gold in case i do some serious raiding in next expansion |
| 03:20.36 | kullervo | I suggested my guild sells the first boe raid epics if it seems we're not getting realm first mythics anyway |
| 03:21.16 | kullervo | because I'M not going to fill up the guild bank, and people prefer their free repairs |
| 03:21.48 | Ironii | yeah its easy way to get some cash |
| 03:22.05 | kullervo | especially first week of tier |
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| 03:36.50 | karl_w_w | http://www.stereoscopynews.com/hotnews/3d-technology/physiological-effects/2275-are-you-stereo-blind |
| 03:37.00 | karl_w_w | there are people who can't see in 3D |
| 03:37.08 | karl_w_w | mind = blown |
| 03:38.14 | kullervo | I seriously considered doing this test until remembering I routinely view different kinds of 3d material |
| 03:39.12 | Trela | karl_w_w YOU ARE FREAKING ME OUT. |
| 03:39.39 | karl_w_w | I do what I can |
| 03:41.55 | Trela | ...Oh. |
| 03:42.01 | Trela | Directions could be better on that test. |
| 03:42.37 | Trela | I was putting the dominant of the "two" fingers in front of the dot. |
| 03:56.20 | FireSiku | ...Oh come on. Live is Build 21742 but Beta is 21737? What sorcery is this. |
| 03:57.25 | kd3 | it's happened more than once |
| 04:00.20 | FireSiku | Guess I need a more robust Beta check then, I simply compared the build numbers. |
| 04:03.06 | nebula | FireSiku: in an addon? checking the toc is pretty robust :p |
| 04:03.53 | kd3 | right up until they make api-breaking changes without updating the toc |
| 04:04.10 | nebula | well for 6.x vs 7.x |
| 04:04.15 | FireSiku | Yeah, I wrote it mostly for PTR checks, and those generally dont update the TOC. |
| 04:04.35 | FireSiku | I guess I can check for TOC -then- check for build difference. |
| 04:05.13 | mckenziemc | or demand that your users always use the same version of WoW! |
| 04:05.59 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, http://us.patch.battle.net:1119/wow_beta/versions |
| 04:06.02 | NodusCursorius | You're welcome? |
| 04:06.45 | NodusCursorius | Current versions file lists: http://hastebin.com/haxaficusi.1c |
| 04:07.00 | nebula | can't exactly pull that info from wow |
| 04:07.05 | NodusCursorius | Oh, internal check? |
| 04:07.29 | NodusCursorius | Sec, there's a Cvar for that. |
| 04:07.31 | FireSiku | Yeah, from an addon. Sorry if it wasnt mentioned :( |
| 04:07.33 | FireSiku | ...There is? |
| 04:07.48 | nebula | well, i guess you can since GetBuildInfo will report the current version :p |
| 04:08.22 | NodusCursorius | There's one for build flag type too, such as "wow_beta", lemme find it |
| 04:09.25 | FireSiku | Coding based on the flag type sounds like all hell will break lose the moment they flag the current Beta/PTR for release. |
| 04:09.51 | NodusCursorius | agentUID |
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| 04:10.29 | Semlar | there's also "portal" |
| 04:10.36 | NodusCursorius | .rdata:00E9F590 aTheUidProvided db 'The UID provided by Battle.net to be passed to Agent',0 |
| 04:10.38 | Semlar | i don't know how reliable either one of those are |
| 04:11.54 | FireSiku | agentUID gave me "wow_enus" ....that sounds unreliable if they added the locale in it. |
| 04:12.00 | Predicate | Are you guys looking for IsTestBuild()? |
| 04:12.24 | NodusCursorius | FireSiku, odd. http://hastebin.com/bipexizori.vhdl - these are what should be returning. Lemme look into it. |
| 04:13.28 | Semlar | you're just trying to check whether your addon is being run on the beta? |
| 04:13.51 | Semlar | because you could easily just check for the existence of something that's only on the beta |
| 04:14.08 | NodusCursorius | If IsTestBuild() is still a function, and it appears to be in the binary, that may be the way. |
| 04:14.19 | FireSiku | Yeah, it works. |
| 04:15.05 | NodusCursorius | Predicate++; |
| 04:15.16 | FireSiku | I'm settling for TOC+Build in the end, that way the Live version still works after patch goes live until I remove the If-Beta checks and update the Live constants that BuildInfo() is comparing with. |
| 04:15.33 | Semlar | i'm confused about what your goal is |
| 04:15.52 | Semlar | i assume you have something that only works on the beta |
| 04:15.55 | FireSiku | Make sure my addon works on live and beta at same time |
| 04:16.07 | Semlar | so why not just run a check for that instead of relying on the build |
| 04:16.22 | Predicate | TOC version is the generally accepted best practice for that, if the changes are too significant to check for just the API you call. |
| 04:18.45 | FireSiku | Predicate: Understandable, but most PTRs during WoD's lifetime broke some API without updating TOC so I simply started using the build. |
| 04:19.03 | Semlar | what i mean is, checking for the version of the game is a less direct way to check whether your addon is going to work than just checking the api that you're using |
| 04:19.09 | FireSiku | First time it failed me :( |
| 04:28.34 | Predicate | Right, but PTRs don't change huge portions of the API. If one or two functions change, test them at the top of your code and set a flag there. |
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| 05:25.44 | Semlar | Simca: does AreaTable.db2 still exist because i don't appear to be able to open it |
| 05:25.54 | Simca | sure |
| 05:26.07 | Semlar | i mean, it existed a few days ago |
| 05:26.43 | Semlar | i can't tell if i jut broke something |
| 05:26.55 | NodusCursorius | Do you want me to tell you if it exists? |
| 05:29.03 | NodusCursorius | http://hastebin.com/juzolijiri.avrasm |
| 05:29.09 | Semlar | i would be thinking i have my path wrong if i weren't able to load AnimationData.db2 |
| 05:31.04 | Semlar | foxlit |
| 05:32.48 | Semlar | can you verify that you can actually open areatable.db2 |
| 05:37.09 | Semlar | out of that list, 139 are missing for me |
| 05:37.19 | Semlar | assuming all of them are under DBFilesClient |
| 05:38.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.15 | NodusCursorius | How are you gathering your list? |
| 05:41.33 | Semlar | opening the files with luacasc |
| 05:41.49 | Semlar | i need someone to verify that they can actually open the file, not generate a list from the exe |
| 05:42.04 | NodusCursorius | That isn't a list from the .exe, those are the actual .db2 files I extracted. |
| 05:42.06 | Semlar | because i don't see why my game would just be missing the files |
| 05:43.29 | Predicate | They probably don't exist in your timestream. |
| 05:43.39 | Semlar | typical |
| 05:44.01 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, https://arctium-emulation.com/t/arctium-wow-clientdb-viewer-alpha-7-1-21737/84 |
| 05:44.32 | NodusCursorius | Throw the included DataExtractor.exe into your directory, run it and extract the DBCs. |
| 05:45.49 | Semlar | or it's going to crash |
| 05:46.07 | NodusCursorius | You put all of it into the folder, didn't you. |
| 05:47.02 | Semlar | i can't tell if you want me to not do that |
| 05:47.08 | NodusCursorius | Regardles, it crashed -after- pulling out the DB2s. Look in the Project-WoW\ClientDB\Files\enUS\ |
| 05:47.37 | NodusCursorius | Oh, you meant in the "my luck, this will happen" sense. |
| 05:47.54 | NodusCursorius | No, only if you bring over everything. Which isn't what we're doing. Just DataExtractor.exe |
| 05:50.55 | Semlar | well i guess i broke luacasc |
| 05:51.04 | Semlar | because this can extract the files |
| 05:51.57 | NodusCursorius | The structures changed rather heavily last patch, even Tom's tool is broken. |
| 05:52.06 | Semlar | this has nothing to do with the structures though |
| 05:52.12 | Semlar | the read file function can't find the db2 files |
| 05:52.21 | NodusCursorius | No? How does luacasc d- ah |
| 05:54.13 | Semlar | i don't understand how this could possibly be half working |
| 05:54.28 | Semlar | it can open 434 of the files on that list |
| 05:55.08 | NodusCursorius | Does luacasc have an output of some sort for error handling? |
| 05:55.17 | Semlar | yes |
| 05:55.36 | Semlar | https://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/ |
| 05:56.05 | Semlar | foxlit halp |
| 06:00.55 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:12.44 | Semlar | HOW AM I THIS BAD WITH COMPUTERS |
| 06:12.56 | nebula | forever a mystery |
| 06:13.04 | Semlar | THIS WAS WORKING 2 DAYS AGO |
| 06:13.15 | NodusCursorius | looks into it. |
| 06:13.54 | Semlar | i even redownloaded luacasc to make sure it wasn't anything i'd inadvertently done to it |
| 06:15.30 | NodusCursorius | Directory structure for that file is correct. Moving onto the next. |
| 06:18.53 | Semlar | can you force the client to verify itself |
| 06:19.12 | NodusCursorius | What? The WoW client? |
| 06:19.16 | Semlar | yes |
| 06:19.25 | NodusCursorius | https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/6572 |
| 06:19.33 | nebula | like do the repair? |
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| 06:29.38 | Semlar | well i'm sure it'll work itself out |
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| 06:41.08 | Fisker | is barely awake and hugs Cairenn |
| 06:41.15 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 07:35.38 | Semlar | foxlit: something you did in 1.6 broke luacasc |
| 07:36.33 | Semlar | i'm still trying to figure out what |
| 07:36.40 | nevcairiel | works for me, Semlar |
| 07:36.52 | Semlar | well my old version works and the new one doesn't |
| 07:37.36 | nevcairiel | but the 1.6 download link disappeared |
| 07:37.52 | Semlar | hm? |
| 07:38.01 | NodusCursorius | It's on the front page of luacasc, though, nevcairiel |
| 07:38.02 | Semlar | https://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/ |
| 07:38.12 | nevcairiel | oh it was still cached |
| 07:38.26 | nevcairiel | sounds like foxlit may fix his caching headers |
| 07:38.54 | Semlar | if you're using this version and it can actually open things like areatable.db2 then that's pretty interesting |
| 07:39.25 | nevcairiel | i'm using this version to open WorldMapArea and WorldMapOverlay, and that works fine |
| 07:39.32 | Semlar | you tried it just now |
| 07:39.35 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 07:39.39 | nevcairiel | let me try areatable |
| 07:39.42 | Semlar | and your beta's all up to date? |
| 07:39.46 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 07:39.59 | Semlar | it doesn't work for me or nodus |
| 07:40.09 | nevcairiel | AreaTable.db2 also works |
| 07:40.13 | nevcairiel | (also, its huge) |
| 07:40.39 | NodusCursorius | WorldMapArea and WorldMapOverlay is also visible to Semlar. |
| 07:40.58 | NodusCursorius | But nevcairiel is correct, AreaTable.db2 is huge after extraction. |
| 07:41.10 | Semlar | i can't open any of these files with 1.6 http://hastebin.com/bubofatisu.avrasm |
| 07:41.16 | Semlar | it can't find them in the archive |
| 07:41.20 | nevcairiel | this is what i'm using to test dumping any files, http://pastebin.com/p6tW7UQq |
| 07:41.24 | nevcairiel | works for me |
| 07:41.26 | Semlar | i can open them with 1.5 |
| 07:41.54 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.01 | Semlar | that's the script i was using |
| 07:44.59 | nevcairiel | add a locale entry to your casc.open |
| 07:45.01 | nevcairiel | that fixes it for me |
| 07:45.12 | nevcairiel | E:\WoW Stuff\MapsterScript>lua semlar.lua |
| 07:45.13 | nevcairiel | 0 files not found |
| 07:45.13 | nevcairiel | 573 files found |
| 07:46.02 | NodusCursorius | That matches my information as well as the client's code (minus one) |
| 07:46.09 | NodusCursorius | nevcairiel++; |
| 07:46.30 | Semlar | so what, did the old version automatically fall back on a locale and the new one doesn't? |
| 07:46.39 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 07:46.51 | nevcairiel | I always specified one because there were some issues before when you didnt |
| 07:47.20 | NodusCursorius | According to docs it runs through a priority list of locales if one isn't specified. |
| 07:47.27 | NodusCursorius | Plausible. |
| 07:47.34 | Semlar | i thought it just assumed english |
| 07:47.35 | Torhal | [01:12:44] <Semlar>HOW AM I THIS BAD WITH COMPUTERS <-- Mushroom. |
| 07:48.08 | nevcairiel | apparently it tries to be smart, maybe that fails |
| 07:49.53 | Semlar | well |
| 07:50.02 | Semlar | thanks nevcairiel |
| 07:51.57 | Torhal | You owe me $200, Semlar. |
| 07:51.58 | Semlar | and nodus |
| 07:52.39 | NodusCursorius | My only aid was confirming that you were not crazy. I'm glad to have helped regardless, Cap'n |
| 07:52.57 | Torhal | Great. You just undid years of work. |
| 07:53.13 | Semlar | he doesn't appear to have changed his defaultLocale function |
| 07:53.22 | Semlar | so i don't know why the old version works |
| 07:55.27 | Semlar | must not be using it for something that requires it |
| 08:09.41 | Semlar | HOW IS UNPACK MISSING |
| 08:10.07 | Semlar | foxlit! |
| 08:10.16 | nevcairiel | what did Semlar break nw |
| 08:10.18 | nevcairiel | now* |
| 08:10.22 | Semlar | his lua binary doesn't have unpack |
| 08:10.57 | nevcairiel | indeed, how odd |
| 08:11.20 | VIad | what lib is unpack part of? isnt it like core? |
| 08:11.24 | nevcairiel | probably need table.unpack |
| 08:11.26 | Semlar | i thought it was part of the core |
| 08:11.42 | VIad | so did I :p |
| 08:11.44 | Semlar | it looks like it's in table |
| 08:11.49 | nevcairiel | it was moved into the table namespace in 5.2 |
| 08:12.11 | Semlar | the other lua5.2 binary i have has unpack as a global function |
| 08:12.21 | nevcairiel | probably build with some compat options |
| 08:12.24 | VIad | my standard 5.2 is that way too tbh |
| 08:12.25 | Semlar | it's 5.2.3 though |
| 08:12.40 | nevcairiel | i think it offers you a few switches to enable compat things, which this might be under |
| 08:12.43 | Semlar | it's probably just how it's built |
| 08:15.58 | VIad | so the hotfix is: local unpack = table.unpack |
| 08:16.10 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 08:17.23 | nevcairiel | local unpack = unpack or table.unpack |
| 08:17.26 | nevcairiel | support both! |
| 08:17.44 | VIad | local unpack = unpack or table.unpack or function() DIY end |
| 08:18.14 | VIad | wait, if table is not defined it will error, gotta work around that... |
| 08:18.28 | Semlar | no errors are good |
| 08:18.44 | Semlar | you don't want to hide that |
| 08:19.04 | VIad | should encapsulate it in a loadstring and ignore the error if any |
| 08:19.28 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.40 | nevcairiel | can probably use a recursive function |
| 08:19.46 | Semlar | https://www.lua.org/pil/5.1.html there's actually an example at the bottom of this page |
| 08:19.56 | VIad | doesnt unpack only do it on the first level? like a iterator going through a table |
| 08:20.06 | nevcairiel | so yeah, recursive function |
| 08:20.36 | VIad | sweet |
| 08:20.41 | VIad | challenge: write it non-recursive |
| 08:21.08 | Semlar | that would be challenging |
| 08:21.21 | Semlar | since i don't think you could |
| 08:21.23 | nevcairiel | in a generic fashion? probably not quite possible with luas multiple returns |
| 08:23.31 | nevcairiel | could always write one that works with up to X table members by using ugly ugly code =p |
| 08:24.15 | nevcairiel | maybe could also cheat it by using loadstring |
| 08:24.35 | nevcairiel | and/or a lot of closures |
| 08:24.37 | nevcairiel | but .. w hy |
| 08:25.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.42 | Semlar | it's always a good sign when you actually see loadstring being used for something |
| 08:27.04 | nevcairiel | i thought about that, but it fails with anything beyond strings or numbers |
| 08:28.11 | Semlar | i have IMPORTANT things to write |
| 08:28.25 | Semlar | so i'm not fixing that |
| 08:29.25 | Semlar | i am really hoping they didn't change the wmo format |
| 08:29.54 | Semlar | the last time i wrote this script i had to make a flowchart |
| 08:49.48 | karl_w_w | what's it called when you arrange for something to be done but you don't do it yourself? |
| 08:50.01 | karl_w_w | there's a word but I can't quite remember it |
| 08:50.09 | karl_w_w | similar to organize or solicit |
| 08:52.33 | Torhal | Delegate? |
| 08:52.37 | Torhal | Contract? |
| 08:53.15 | karl_w_w | contract is closer but not what I'm thinking of |
| 08:53.47 | Torhal | Commission? |
| 09:03.01 | karl_w_w | I think that'll have to do |
| 09:04.32 | Semlar | thinking about taking out a hit on someone? |
| 09:04.44 | Torhal | That would be a contract. |
| 09:05.01 | Torhal | Whereas commissioning something is more like a work for hire. A painting, for example. |
| 09:05.12 | Torhal | Unless you're commissioning a painting of a contract killing. |
| 09:05.21 | Torhal | No idea if there's a word for that. |
| 09:05.28 | Semlar | what if i'm taking a hit out on an artist |
| 09:05.33 | Torhal | Whoah, dude. |
| 09:05.36 | Torhal | Calm the fuck down. |
| 09:05.39 | Semlar | hypothetically speaking |
| 09:08.42 | karl_w_w | yes, Fisker has vexed me for the last time |
| 09:14.23 | karl_w_w | in completely unrelated news, it's pretty ridiculous that I can buy and ship something from the other side of the world for less money than the cost of buying it from my country or a local store |
| 09:14.50 | karl_w_w | in this case, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141539121942 |
| 09:16.24 | foxlit | "Item location: Farnborough, United Kingdom" "May not post to United Kingdom - Read item description or contact seller for postage options." |
| 09:17.26 | Semlar | foxlit i don't think luacasc is defaulting to a locale |
| 09:18.16 | foxlit | oh, i's defauling to a locale |
| 09:18.26 | Semlar | is it defaulting to one that actually exists |
| 09:18.29 | foxlit | s/'/t'/ |
| 09:19.15 | Semlar | because if you don't specify one it acts like files with localized versions don't exist |
| 09:19.28 | foxlit | are you suggesting that Korea isn't real? |
| 09:19.42 | Semlar | is it really defaulting to korean |
| 09:20.00 | foxlit | well, your error message is "sorry I couldn't get the korean file for you." |
| 09:20.13 | Semlar | what error message |
| 09:20.43 | Semlar | the one that's like "i can't open this long hash"? |
| 09:21.05 | karl_w_w | oh, it might be cos I linked to ebay.com.au foxlit |
| 09:21.18 | karl_w_w | maybe that confuses the postage algorithm |
| 09:21.19 | foxlit | sure. |
| 09:22.12 | foxlit | anyway, yeah, it's broken in a silly and amusing way. You can probably tell I'm not using local installs most of the time. |
| 09:23.02 | Semlar | i don't know what to use for the cdn |
| 09:23.06 | foxlit | (also, where were you with that error at like any time before the last 6 hours? Patch versions are annoying!) |
| 09:23.32 | Semlar | well it worked fine for the non-localized file i opened with it |
| 09:23.41 | foxlit | if you just don't pass false, it'll fetch the Korean file for you. |
| 09:23.52 | foxlit | It's helpful like that! |
| 09:24.26 | Semlar | what's the beta cdn |
| 09:26.42 | foxlit | wowb? can't recall, it's all aliased; I just type 'beta' and somewhere along the line some lua file maps that to a URL. |
| 09:27.31 | foxlit | wow_beta |
| 09:27.51 | Semlar | you can just put 'wow_beta' in for cdn? |
| 09:28.02 | Semlar | or do you need the entire url |
| 09:28.28 | Semlar | the documentation makes it sound like the need the url |
| 09:28.30 | foxlit | no, you can't just put wow_beta in for anything. |
| 09:28.50 | Semlar | but i have no idea what the "base url for the cdn" is supposed to be |
| 09:29.53 | foxlit | likely means that it's not what you want. |
| 09:31.10 | foxlit | based on http://hastebin.com/facoberito.lua, you should just drop the , cdn = false part. |
| 09:31.19 | Torhal | sets Semlar's default to Korean. |
| 09:31.57 | foxlit | the cdn key wants something like http://blzddist1-a.akamaihd.net/tpr/wow , but this is pulled from build info/patch info by default, so you just need to not overwrite it with false. |
| 09:35.06 | Semlar | it gets the url from the install path you specify? |
| 09:35.49 | Semlar | can you just download files directly without the game installed? |
| 09:36.12 | nevcairiel | you can, but then you do need to know the URL |
| 09:36.28 | Semlar | that's what i thought |
| 09:36.43 | Semlar | but you have to put the url in place for the file path for that right |
| 09:39.59 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 10:36.15 | foxlit | Semlar: patched. |
| 10:46.59 | VIad | foxlit: what aspect of Semlar did you patch this time? |
| 10:47.17 | VIad | fixed the bug about releasing addons to the public? |
| 10:47.33 | VIad | instead of using the internal repository |
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| 10:49.31 | foxlit | nevcairiel: caching seems to be a feature of your UA rather than anything I send. |
| 10:50.14 | nevcairiel | it automatically showed me 1.6.1 now, but earlier today i had to force a refresh for 1.6 to show up |
| 10:50.35 | nevcairiel | cant really check the info from the old page now :) |
| 10:51.16 | foxlit | It's just last-modified and etag, neither of which is an instruction to send local copy without revalidation. |
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| 12:18.35 | Simca | Torhal: just ran across one of the cases where I really like if-statements without enclosing brackets - the cases where you have a ton of different options and 'switch' doesn't support what you're doing (because you're comparing a string) |
| 12:21.34 | Torhal | Simca: Language? |
| 12:21.58 | Simca | C++ and C# |
| 12:22.15 | Torhal | And I'm confused where you can't use a string as a case statement... |
| 12:23.03 | Simca | am I wrong about that for C#? |
| 12:23.15 | Simca | I thought you couldn't use switch case on reference variables |
| 12:23.19 | nebula | i've always used k&r/kernel style for anything that uses braces |
| 12:23.48 | Simca | I know in C++ you can't do it |
| 12:23.51 | Torhal | switch (thisStringVariable) { case "monkeys": doStuff(); break; } |
| 12:24.32 | Torhal | I haven't touched C++ since '05 so I can't really comment there. |
| 12:24.59 | nebula | c++ you can't, c# you can |
| 12:27.17 | nebula | i've never liked big switch blocks, though, just looks ugly |
| 12:28.05 | Torhal | takes a switch to nebula. |
| 12:28.32 | Maldivia | Simca: create a Map/Dictionary of String -> Function, and do map["monkey"](); |
| 12:29.06 | Simca | yeah i've definitely done that before |
| 12:29.10 | Torhal | I've done that in C#, but no idea how it'd be done i C++ |
| 12:29.16 | Torhal | in* |
| 12:29.41 | Simca | but in a case where the action I want to take is very simple, creating a bunch of little functions and dealing with function pointers is not worth the time |
| 12:29.50 | nebula | std::unordered_map<std::string, std::function<void()>> map; map["monkey"] = &func |
| 12:30.14 | Simca | +1 for unordered_map, something most people overlook |
| 12:31.03 | foxlit | "most people"? |
| 12:31.30 | Maldivia | C++ has lambdas as well, right -- so something like: map["monkey"] = () { /* my monkey */ } |
| 12:32.45 | Simca | many people |
| 12:32.54 | foxlit | slap them all. |
| 12:33.52 | Simca | i'm sure they would tell you to stop your premature optimizations |
| 12:34.14 | foxlit | have them slap you back, then. |
| 12:34.20 | Simca | lol |
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| 12:34.51 | Torhal | I love how extreme some viewpoints on that are. Basically "Let's write this shit as sloppily as possible, because trying at all to have self control and discipline is a premature optimization." |
| 12:35.25 | nebula | not so much sloppy, but focus on making something work before you obsess about cycles saved |
| 12:35.41 | VIad | just wrap everything in try-catch |
| 12:35.53 | nebula | i've worked with too many people that get so preachy about shit, but can't get anything fucking done |
| 12:35.54 | Torhal | You're a monster. |
| 12:36.03 | Torhal | nebula: Same here. |
| 12:36.04 | foxlit | I suggest the following: you should be aware of the tradeoffs you are making. |
| 12:36.15 | Torhal | Exactly. |
| 12:37.40 | Maldivia | Unordered map is not an optimization choice, it's just common sense |
| 12:37.49 | VIad | on a lighter note, listening to avenged sevenfold. must say I didn't expect such variety in style :p |
| 12:37.57 | Simca | yeah I try not to obsess about performance but I like to know good general practice for a lot of various things |
| 12:38.15 | nebula | thats what happens when a doctor tells you to cut that shit out or your vocal cords will stop working |
| 12:38.29 | Torhal | I've never been able to stand his voice. |
| 12:38.37 | Simca | like - LINQ's GroupBy will absolutely wreck databases if you use it as part of a query without inserting a ToArray or ToList before calling it. |
| 12:38.39 | Torhal | Because he sounds like what nebula described. |
| 12:38.53 | Maldivia | Make it work and readable -- then, if you have performace problems, profile and find out where and optimize that code |
| 12:39.28 | VIad | quick question: doesnt c++ come with libraries that are fairly well optimized? think they have a map that supports ordered if that was the thing |
| 12:39.33 | Torhal | Simca: I've seen people just slap .ToArray() or .ToList() on the end of everything, because thinking is hard. That in itself can cause issues. |
| 12:39.51 | nebula | more copies for everyone! |
| 12:39.53 | Simca | looking at the queries GroupBy generates are just amazing |
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| 12:40.07 | VIad | those remind me of C# |
| 12:40.34 | Simca | it was literally hundreds of lines long (the query) and had several sections of extremely complicated double negation conditions that could never be true |
| 12:40.42 | nebula | lol |
| 12:41.05 | Torhal | var WAT = VIad.AsEnumerable(); |
| 12:42.17 | Simca | changing it to .ToArray().GroupBy(blah) cut runtime from 5m45s to 150ms |
| 12:42.43 | VIad | I hear a lot of people love linq, performance wise I can't say much because I haven't really looked into that |
| 12:43.29 | Simca | Linq can be nice but it is scary when it goes wrong |
| 12:43.52 | Simca | and you are hitting 99% CPU use on a production DB because of a monster query |
| 12:44.01 | Torhal | Simca: You mean, like this? http://www.wowace.com/addons/liblinq-1-0/ |
| 12:44.11 | nebula | i was just about to link that, but thought better of it |
| 12:44.18 | Simca | why. |
| 12:44.19 | Torhal | 9k lines of code. With fucking type-checking. In Lua. |
| 12:44.24 | Torhal | Because ckk. |
| 12:44.33 | nebula | it's funny looking at ckk's project history, it's map of what he was learning at the time |
| 12:46.21 | VIad | sounds like metatables are essential in that addon |
| 12:47.26 | VIad | how much memory do you think that lib uses just to idle? |
| 12:47.37 | Simca | all of it |
| 12:47.42 | VIad | and let's import the dbc data into it and see how performance is |
| 12:47.52 | VIad | just the dbc data as text is like 200 mb |
| 12:48.09 | VIad | would be fun to query with linq to select a group of spells :p |
| 12:48.16 | Torhal | I remember starting a project from scratch because, just before I took over the original version from cck, he converted it to use LibLinq. |
| 12:48.34 | Torhal | Like, literally two days before he was to hand it off to me. |
| 12:48.35 | nebula | heh |
| 12:48.35 | Torhal | Bastard. |
| 12:48.54 | haste | he was quite productive, if you count quantity :D |
| 12:49.12 | Torhal | The library was three times the size of the project that was using it. |
| 12:49.14 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 12:49.25 | nebula | he's probably a node dev now |
| 12:49.52 | haste | isn't everyone? |
| 12:50.07 | Torhal | Not in polite company. |
| 12:50.11 | mitch0 | Torhal: why didn't you just revert to the last non-liblinq version? |
| 12:50.23 | Torhal | mitch0: Because he trashed the repo with --force |
| 12:50.30 | mitch0 | heh |
| 12:51.21 | VIad | and a comment "scew you, torhal" |
| 12:51.24 | VIad | screw* |
| 12:51.28 | Torhal | Hah, no. |
| 12:51.38 | Fisker | dreadfulmeetinghugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:52.03 | haste | "enjoy maintaining this!" |
| 12:52.10 | Torhal | Pretty much. |
| 12:52.39 | Torhal | I shudder to think how much CPU that lib takes, with all the fucking type-checking. |
| 12:52.48 | Torhal | It's goddamn Lua. Let it be Lua. |
| 12:53.27 | haste | ckk really liked type checking tho' |
| 12:53.39 | haste | he broke so much of my shit because he only wanted booleans to represent true values |
| 12:53.50 | Torhal | WAT |
| 12:54.33 | haste | don't remember in what it was, but he made it so only true/false could be used |
| 12:54.35 | Torhal | Speaking of esoteric libs, Humbedooh wrote http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsvg-1-0/ |
| 12:54.39 | haste | anything else would trigger an assert |
| 12:54.39 | Torhal | Actually worked rather well. |
| 12:54.55 | nebula | omg, you stalker, i was just looking through his shit |
| 12:54.59 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 12:55.01 | Humbedooh | :O |
| 12:55.05 | nebula | ohi |
| 12:55.19 | Humbedooh | I'm surprised that stuff is still there :D |
| 12:55.28 | Torhal | Marked as abandoned, but still there. |
| 12:55.29 | haste | things don't get deleted on the internet Humbedooh :D |
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| 12:57.01 | VIad | does it actually work? didnt know you could make a Texture widget image out of raw data :p |
| 12:57.17 | Torhal | I just said it did :P |
| 12:57.22 | VIad | amazing |
| 12:57.24 | Torhal | Or, it did during Cataclysm. |
| 12:57.44 | VIad | but it might fake it though |
| 12:57.53 | VIad | like tiny pixel textures being colored |
| 12:58.02 | VIad | performance wise I would worry if that is the case |
| 12:59.25 | VIad | I see use of DrawLine/DrawVLine |
| 12:59.27 | VIad | thats neat |
| 13:00.21 | VIad | oh nvm, it was a lib func, it relies on texture widgets |
| 13:00.45 | VIad | Humbedooh: does it make hundreds of 1x1 texture widgets to draw the image? |
| 13:00.57 | Humbedooh | no |
| 13:01.18 | Humbedooh | it uses....magic! |
| 13:01.20 | VIad | :p |
| 13:01.28 | Humbedooh | actually, it does a bajillion polygons or some such |
| 13:01.33 | Torhal | And psychedelics. |
| 13:01.52 | Humbedooh | I later warped it into Doodlepad, which was nice |
| 13:02.03 | Humbedooh | you could draw something and your raid party could see it |
| 13:02.07 | Humbedooh | and join in if they wanted to |
| 13:02.37 | Humbedooh | it had all the instance maps and such, that you could draw on top of as well |
| 13:02.53 | VIad | how did you transfer data among players? |
| 13:03.15 | Humbedooh | via that uhm...data channel thingy |
| 13:04.24 | VIad | I mean |
| 13:04.27 | VIad | efficiency? |
| 13:04.31 | VIad | since its capped to 255 chars |
| 13:04.35 | Humbedooh | it worked quite well |
| 13:04.48 | VIad | if I fill it with a ton of pink, like 800x800 |
| 13:04.49 | Humbedooh | well then you compress the drawings |
| 13:04.55 | Humbedooh | into svg commands :) |
| 13:05.01 | VIad | you did that? |
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| 13:05.05 | Humbedooh | yeah |
| 13:05.06 | VIad | neat |
| 13:05.11 | VIad | then that would save space yes |
| 13:05.14 | Humbedooh | the mod is out there somewhere still... |
| 13:05.19 | Humbedooh | in teh intertubes |
| 13:05.44 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/addons/doodlepad/ |
| 13:06.56 | Humbedooh | yup yup |
| 13:07.09 | Humbedooh | and because it was instructions, the drawings could scale up/down |
| 13:10.09 | VIad | why didn't it become a module of DBM/bigwigs? |
| 13:10.20 | VIad | part of the package, LOD style or something |
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| 13:20.35 | Humbedooh | anyone's free to take over the thingy |
| 13:20.56 | Humbedooh | I hereby change the license to ALv2 :) |
| 13:21.07 | Torhal | takes over Humbedooh. |
| 13:21.54 | Humbedooh | there, license changed |
| 13:24.38 | VIad | /me asks if Humbedooh can see the emote. |
| 13:28.14 | Humbedooh | the emote? |
| 13:28.41 | Torhal | Humbedooh: He wants to know if he's actually emoting or just sending a message prefixed with /me |
| 13:29.37 | Humbedooh | the latter here |
| 13:29.48 | Humbedooh | but I'm sure my client is borked and old |
| 13:29.54 | Torhal | We've all been telling him for months. |
| 13:29.59 | Torhal | Nah, you're seeing what we all see. |
| 13:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | I will join you in having an old and creaky client! |
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| 13:44.35 | Fisker | tacklehugs at Lopeppeppy |
| 13:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | I made it to Monday. Do I win a prize? |
| 13:44.57 | Fisker | Always |
| 13:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaay! |
| 13:56.40 | mckenziemc | getting to tuesday |
| 14:17.39 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/meh.jpg << I wonder what happened there. |
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| 14:52.30 | mckenziemc | uh |
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| 15:34.01 | Semlar | too late, it's over |
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| 15:54.46 | Semlar | thanks foxlit <3 |
| 15:59.32 | Semlar | i wonder just how many people are going to attempt to make enemy unit frames now that nameplates have unit IDs |
| 15:59.51 | Semlar | because i've seen like 4 different people talk about doing it |
| 16:01.56 | nevcairiel | Seems a bit tricky of a concept if moving might make half of the units disappear |
| 16:02.47 | nevcairiel | Or god beware moving the camera |
| 16:02.50 | Semlar | i think the way nameplates are now they'll be a lot more lenient about sticking around after the unit moves off screen |
| 16:03.24 | Semlar | it should help a lot |
| 16:03.50 | Semlar | and also actually having tall units be visible is nice |
| 16:04.10 | Semlar | oh and your target always has a nameplate regardless of your nameplate range |
| 16:04.58 | Semlar | well that's interesting, my entire interface flickers when i deselect something now |
| 16:07.58 | Simca | yeah I agree with nevcairiel, I think they will move around too much to be useful |
| 16:08.29 | Semlar | they'll be useful |
| 16:08.46 | Semlar | it just wouldn't be the primary way i'd target units |
| 16:09.56 | Semlar | for a dot class it would be a lot easier |
| 16:10.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.58 | Semlar | there have been a few occasions where i wish i'd had a static enemy list, mostly when it's difficult to target a specific unit for some reason or you need to interrupt a cast |
| 16:13.00 | Torhal | interrupts Semlar with static electricity. |
| 16:14.03 | Semlar | WHY IS EVERYTHING FLICKERING |
| 16:14.16 | Torhal | Reasons. |
| 16:14.34 | Semlar | it's my nameplates i just don't know which part |
| 16:15.06 | Semlar | they weren't doing this before |
| 16:15.17 | Torhal | Must be the static. |
| 16:15.39 | Semlar | :(plz don't |
| 16:15.44 | Torhal | :/ |
| 16:17.04 | Semlar | position in queue: 1 |
| 16:17.32 | Semlar | well it's not the font |
| 16:18.09 | Semlar | it's unsurprisingly the scrollframe |
| 16:20.37 | Semlar | you know, it's not actually using the right font for this |
| 16:20.42 | Semlar | i wonder why it's doing that |
| 16:21.10 | Semlar | i have 2 different fonts set for my font strings and it's only picking one of them to use for both |
| 16:22.39 | Torhal | Is this live or alpha? |
| 16:22.43 | Semlar | beta |
| 16:22.50 | Torhal | Oh, fonts are fucked. |
| 16:23.02 | Torhal | I thought you were here for that conversation. |
| 16:23.24 | Torhal | They aren't loading properly and hijack one another. |
| 16:23.31 | Semlar | interesting |
| 16:23.51 | Semlar | what if i load a separate addon for every font string |
| 16:23.52 | Torhal | Yeah, you were here: nevcairiel explained it to Guill. |
| 16:24.08 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 16:25.58 | Semlar | so you're saying it's nevcairiel's fault? |
| 16:26.12 | Torhal | No, you are. |
| 16:28.44 | NodusCursorius | No, I'm Spariel. |
| 16:35.15 | Ironii | i think static nameplates will be used mainly for mouseover stuff and picking up targets if there are huge amount of small mobs, i think in most cases targeting will be easier with normal nameplates |
| 16:36.07 | Ironii | and its easier to see everyones health and casts with static nameplates versus normal nameplates, even if you don't use them for mouseover casting |
| 16:36.27 | Semlar | unfortunately with a cap of 30 they'll be less reliable for picking out a target in a large group |
| 16:37.00 | Semlar | granted you'd probably have to limit how many are being displayed anyway |
| 16:37.18 | Semlar | so maybe it doesn't make that much difference |
| 16:37.19 | Ironii | true, but i don't think it will be a huge problem in raiding |
| 16:37.36 | Ironii | tbh thats the only thing that i care about ^^ |
| 16:37.40 | Semlar | what if you have many whelps and you're trying to handle it but the one you want to target isn't in the list |
| 16:38.16 | Ironii | smash tab and hope for the best |
| 16:38.17 | Ironii | just like now |
| 16:38.17 | Ironii | :D |
| 16:39.15 | Ironii | hmph, wtf im doing wrong |
| 16:39.24 | Ironii | should't f:SetAttribute('type-itfR', 'target') work just fine? |
| 16:39.47 | Ironii | +SetBindingClick('R',frame, 'itfR') ofc |
| 16:40.46 | Ironii | itfR triggers OnClick events just fine, but i can't get it to work with attributes :( |
| 16:42.54 | VIad | who does this remind you of? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464021768.png |
| 16:46.09 | NodusCursorius | VIad, that nickolodean show. |
| 16:46.20 | NodusCursorius | With the vines and the things. |
| 16:48.26 | VIad | was thinking of hearthstone ;d |
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| 16:58.59 | Gnarfoz | it reminds me of WoW, derp |
| 17:00.41 | Gnarfoz | VIad: have you ever tried /action abcdef? |
| 17:00.55 | Gnarfoz | (because "/me" is really just an alias for that) |
| 17:01.00 | VIad | /me test |
| 17:01.10 | VIad | /me emotes? |
| 17:02.19 | VIad | nothing, Gnarfoz? |
| 17:02.47 | mckenziemc | doesn't even bother questioning VIad. |
| 17:03.09 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464022987.png |
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| 17:04.30 | Gnarfoz | eh? where does that /me come from when you just use /action? |
| 17:04.48 | Gnarfoz | well, whatever you're using as a client, it's horribly broken |
| 17:04.51 | VIad | pidgin :d |
| 17:04.53 | VIad | same as cairen |
| 17:05.03 | VIad | but obviously more borked |
| 17:05.07 | Gnarfoz | well, there's your problem, using an IM client for IRC :D |
| 17:05.15 | Gnarfoz | that's like using Trillian for IRC |
| 17:05.55 | VIad | I have my google and skype here |
| 17:06.04 | VIad | as long I dont emote, it's fine |
| 17:06.49 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz: screenshot? |
| 17:06.59 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: of what :O |
| 17:07.20 | mckenziemc | are emotes sent from pidgin messed up on "true" irc clients? |
| 17:07.33 | Gnarfoz | at least from VIad |
| 17:07.33 | mckenziemc | it looks fine here so i don't understand what you're talking about |
| 17:07.38 | Gnarfoz | https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/16407 < seems to be the bug in question |
| 17:08.11 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:08.13 | VIad | sec |
| 17:08.18 | VIad | asks if this works? |
| 17:08.23 | Gnarfoz | it does |
| 17:08.31 | VIad | disabled message splitter plugin |
| 17:08.39 | VIad | so now if I write too long it just cuts me off in irc :p |
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| 17:09.11 | Gnarfoz | that's not necessarily a bad thing |
| 17:09.40 | VIad | I'll write more frequent and smaller messages, its ok |
| 17:09.42 | mckenziemc | heh |
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| 17:15.30 | VIad | oh btw found this mass effect rap earlier https://youtu.be/HExOCl3YypM |
| 17:16.48 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Yes, if you're using Pidgin then you would be seeing VIad's "/me some text here" as actual emotes. |
| 17:17.01 | VIad | hugs Torhal. |
| 17:17.15 | Torhal | And now I do as well, because he turned off some broke-ass shit. |
| 17:17.39 | VIad | purple pack message splitter plugin |
| 17:17.51 | VIad | because pidgin has poor message splitting for irc, it just cuts off |
| 17:18.32 | Torhal | I don't know why you'd need that in most cases, anyway; you aren't Amarande. |
| 17:18.43 | Stanzillaz | he tries hard though |
| 17:18.46 | mckenziemc | Torhal: i wasn't saying there wasn't anything to complain about, i was saying i wasn't aware what was being complained about |
| 17:18.51 | VIad | thats the most beautiful thing you've ever said to me, Torhal |
| 17:18.55 | mckenziemc | i had figured as much |
| 17:19.08 | Torhal | mckenziemc: I actually thought you were also using Pidgin, so didn't see the issue. :D |
| 17:19.50 | mckenziemc | i am >.> |
| 17:19.55 | Torhal | Heh |
| 17:21.05 | Ironii | hmph, seems like SetAttribute('type-vbutton'... doesn't work on beta at all |
| 17:21.08 | Ironii | same code works fine on live |
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| 17:44.13 | VIad | http://legion.wowhead.com/npc=99899 :d |
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| 18:01.14 | VIad | Semlar: what is the deal with GetWorldLocFromMapPos ? |
| 18:02.11 | Yoshimo | how can a db site like wowhead list the correct object and its location for treasure chests? So far i can only see how you get the location of npcs, which you can target and then use the approximate x y via the players map position. How would you do something similiar for objects? |
| 18:02.53 | Semlar | VIad: it's a helper function to turn world map coordinates into global ones, but it doesn't factor in transforms or anything so it's not as useful as it might be |
| 18:03.17 | VIad | even with GetWorldMapTransforms and GetWorldMapTransformInfo ? |
| 18:03.38 | VIad | Yoshimo: you can detect the loot event, click of the chest :) |
| 18:03.46 | VIad | and assume its within a couple of yards |
| 18:03.52 | Semlar | i'm sure there's also some other reason not to use it, i haven't looked at it in years |
| 18:04.08 | Semlar | at some point i decided that function couldn't be used for anything |
| 18:04.15 | Yoshimo | does the loot event give the objectid as source? |
| 18:04.30 | Semlar | you can query the source of loot in the loot window |
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| 18:04.57 | Semlar | it gives you the guid of the chest |
| 18:05.42 | Semlar | which has the object id in it |
| 18:05.50 | VIad | UnitGUID"npc" ? |
| 18:05.50 | Guest60243 | magic! |
| 18:06.06 | Semlar | not UnitGUID('npc') |
| 18:06.23 | Semlar | that works for things like mailboxes but i don't think it works for chests |
| 18:06.40 | Semlar | you can use GetlootSourceInfo |
| 18:07.14 | Semlar | and get the guid that each item in the loot window came from |
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| 18:09.11 | Yoshimo | so they are not cheating with memory reads |
| 18:09.31 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, confirmation on the new Cvar imguiTheme being a "whoops" of their internal tools: https://twitter.com/krolco/status/734807121171210244 |
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| 18:14.32 | Gnarfoz | what's imguiTheme? |
| 18:14.55 | Gnarfoz | ah, the tweet capitalises it so it's recognizable as IM GUI theme |
| 18:15.37 | Predicate | https://twitter.com/krolco/status/734807121171210244 |
| 18:15.48 | Predicate | Er, NodusCursorius just linked that. Nevermind :) |
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| 18:21.50 | NodusCursorius | Gnarfoz, internal Cvar that will likely be removed next patch. I assume it is related to https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/ |
| 18:23.25 | Gnarfoz | internal just by the fact that Monte just said so? |
| 18:23.35 | Gnarfoz | or does the client have "internal" and "regular" cvars these days? :o |
| 18:23.55 | Stanzillaz | the first |
| 18:24.17 | Gnarfoz | also, bleh, that's less awesome than I thought :P |
| 18:24.32 | Stanzillaz | :D |
| 18:24.47 | NodusCursorius | You lack imagination. When Predicate found it she nearly wet the panty due to what it could mean for UI dev. |
| 18:24.47 | Stanzillaz | it would be nice if they used imgui and the lua bindings for it |
| 18:25.02 | NodusCursorius | And now Stanzillaz wet the paty. |
| 18:25.07 | Stanzillaz | : ( |
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| 18:25.29 | NodusCursorius | s/Stanzillaz/Stanzilla/ |
| 18:25.35 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 18:25.40 | Stanzillaz | my bnc is broken atm |
| 18:25.49 | Seerah | hi, Fisker :) |
| 18:25.57 | Fisker | :O |
| 18:26.06 | Gnarfoz | NodusCursorius: enlighten me, what could it mean for UI dev? |
| 18:26.28 | Stanzillaz | gluexml addons |
| 18:26.31 | NodusCursorius | I am not a UI dev. I am a wizard man. |
| 18:26.32 | Stanzillaz | addons over loadscreens |
| 18:26.48 | NodusCursorius | But Predzillaz have a few ideas. |
| 18:27.12 | Gnarfoz | uhm, except neither of those sound like something Blizzard wants us to do |
| 18:27.18 | Gnarfoz | anything realistic? |
| 18:27.47 | NodusCursorius | That would have been the point of them possibly implementing a new library that is specifically intended for flexible UI design. |
| 18:27.55 | NodusCursorius | To allow those to fall within the realm of possibility. |
| 18:28.02 | Gnarfoz | 12 years in? |
| 18:28.42 | Gnarfoz | it's not like it would have been beyond their means to allow those before, I just doubt they want us to fuck around with their login system. :D |
| 18:28.43 | NodusCursorius | ImgUI is a very old project already put to use in both indy and mainstream gaming. |
| 18:28.53 | Gnarfoz | that's not what I meant. |
| 18:28.54 | NodusCursorius | Login system? |
| 18:29.17 | Gnarfoz | WoW is 12 (or more) years old, if they wanted to allow us to modify those areas, they probably would have ;) |
| 18:29.31 | Predicate | I don't expect they'll ever let us do anything to GlueXML, but making load screens not interfere with addon use would be a welcome, if long overdue, change. :P |
| 18:29.38 | Gnarfoz | GlueXML is only relevant before you log in, isn't it? |
| 18:29.51 | Stanzillaz | wow |
| 18:29.54 | Predicate | That and the character select/creation/etc. processes, yeah. |
| 18:29.56 | Stanzillaz | it was an experiment |
| 18:30.15 | Stanzillaz | arguing about logic and it being realistic to get added is kinda useless |
| 18:30.19 | Gnarfoz | I'm just not good with speculation-type things. |
| 18:30.32 | NodusCursorius | "if they wanted us" - allowance is not always the same as technologically practical. A complete UI backbone replacement is not a small feat, nor normally decided 12 years in. |
| 18:30.45 | Predicate | Honestly, even just allowing the console to overlay the load screen would make my life 48% easier... |
| 18:31.01 | Gnarfoz | not 49%? ^^ |
| 18:31.24 | Predicate | No, that's taking it too far. |
| 18:32.06 | NodusCursorius | Gnarfoz, also think of it less as just new features and more about high-level functionality - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/ocornut/imgui/web/v143/test_window_01.png |
| 18:32.11 | Gnarfoz | anyway, looking at those screenshots on that project's page, I'd assume they'd use it for debugging stuff |
| 18:32.13 | NodusCursorius | Such as live-editing of your UI code. |
| 18:32.33 | Predicate | That's already possible if someone wants to code it, NodusCursorius :P |
| 18:32.50 | NodusCursorius | But you'd have to start with a clean Slate, Predicate |
| 18:32.55 | Predicate | Hush, you |
| 18:33.08 | NodusCursorius | Gnarfoz, And yes, that's what we assumed as well. Either debugging tools left in, or less likely but more fun is the "oh wow a new toy for us!". |
| 18:33.24 | NodusCursorius | He confirmed it as debugging and now mum's the corn. |
| 18:33.26 | Predicate | Actually, that live editing would have been way more possible before they took away our string.dump :( |
| 18:34.47 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, please make a WYSIWYG live UI editing tool. |
| 18:35.12 | NodusCursorius | You can call the framework Stone. |
| 18:35.25 | Predicate | I will end you |
| 18:37.05 | VIad | it's awesome when your patterns work with utf8 :p got a korean in the group - addon worked ;d |
| 18:37.28 | VIad | are we getting imgui? :o |
| 18:37.35 | NodusCursorius | Nice job, Viad |
| 18:38.25 | NodusCursorius | And no. |
| 18:39.12 | VIad | :'( |
| 18:39.40 | VIad | on another topic, didnt take long to break the game with DH :p http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464028758.png |
| 18:39.45 | VIad | that is inside the dungeon |
| 18:40.06 | mckenziemc | so now we're not getting the game either? gg VIad |
| 18:40.11 | VIad | :( sorry! |
| 18:40.58 | VIad | my weakness is exploration |
| 18:41.16 | NodusCursorius | Noggin |
| 18:41.32 | Predicate | Is there an addon management tool that lists the Blizz addons as well? ACP doesn't seem to do it |
| 18:41.36 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464028887.png |
| 18:41.48 | VIad | dont think you can disable blizzards addons |
| 18:41.52 | Predicate | You can. |
| 18:42.00 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:42.09 | VIad | like highjack their loading API? |
| 18:42.11 | VIad | :p |
| 18:42.17 | VIad | can disable the LOD that way |
| 18:42.27 | Predicate | No, like DisableAddOn("Blizzard_Whatever") |
| 18:42.28 | VIad | unsure about taint though |
| 18:43.55 | VIad | hehe, neat |
| 18:44.01 | VIad | but if they already load then game over :p |
| 18:44.24 | Predicate | You can just reload after disabling them... |
| 18:44.32 | Predicate | You know, like any other addon. :P |
| 18:44.59 | VIad | :d |
| 18:45.10 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464029105.png |
| 18:45.27 | VIad | game over - land sharks |
| 18:45.30 | Gnarfoz | how is that "breaking the game", VIad |
| 18:45.45 | VIad | climbed somewhere I shouldnt be :p |
| 18:45.45 | Gnarfoz | you're just running around |
| 18:45.57 | VIad | not that it matters - script to kill you if you are in the water ^^ |
| 18:45.57 | NodusCursorius | Gnarfoz |
| 18:46.02 | VIad | tbh best death ever |
| 18:46.06 | VIad | so boring to find invisible walls |
| 18:46.11 | NodusCursorius | Shut the fuck up and eat a Snickers. |
| 18:46.24 | Gnarfoz | how about you don't tell me what to do? |
| 18:46.31 | NodusCursorius | The past ten minutes have been nothing but you wanting to hate yourself. |
| 18:46.33 | NodusCursorius | We love you. |
| 18:46.46 | VIad | is Gnarfoz ok? |
| 18:46.47 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know who you are, new person |
| 18:46.58 | VIad | who are you talking to, Gnarfoz? |
| 18:47.02 | VIad | it's only you and me :/ |
| 18:47.12 | Gnarfoz | VIad: NodusCursorius |
| 18:47.15 | Predicate | Is Gnarfoz hallucinating strangers again? |
| 18:47.22 | VIad | seems so |
| 18:47.26 | VIad | there is no NodusCursorius here |
| 18:47.29 | Gnarfoz | Predicate: I must be, you're one of them |
| 18:47.40 | Predicate | I'm no stranger than you are. |
| 18:47.53 | Gnarfoz | with that name, you are |
| 18:48.06 | NodusCursorius | Gnarfoz, was really just being silly with you. Calm, collected rebuttals didn't seem to brighten your mood so I went for the opposite extreme. |
| 18:48.35 | NodusCursorius | You're tearing me apart, Lisa. |
| 18:48.50 | Gnarfoz | are we in a Simpsons episode now? :O |
| 18:49.08 | NodusCursorius | Are the Simpsons still on air? |
| 18:50.03 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't know, i'm off the air |
| 18:50.18 | mckenziemc | except for the cell phone i guess |
| 18:53.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.45 | Simca | yeah i got that impression and stopped trying to help |
| 18:54.52 | Simca | he doesn't want help, he wants to be mad |
| 18:55.26 | NodusCursorius | Is he alright? Should someone reach out to him? |
| 18:55.37 | Semlar | he has to work through the 5 stages on his own |
| 18:55.44 | Semlar | eventually he'll get to Acceptance |
| 18:55.48 | NodusCursorius | Oh. This is a thing for him. Well that's good I suppose. |
| 18:56.10 | zenzelezz | Semlar: then to the secret stage 6; hatred of acceptance testing |
| 18:57.19 | Semlar | the 5 stages of software development are Denial, Anger, Bargaining (pleading to blizzard never works), Depression and finally Acceptance |
| 18:57.34 | VIad | almost - damn shark :< http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464029845.png |
| 18:57.45 | Predicate | Bargaining works sometimes, I got a bug fixed just this week! |
| 18:57.48 | Semlar | s/software/addon |
| 18:58.28 | Semlar | shouldn't've been bleeding vlad |
| 18:58.36 | VIad | I know |
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| 18:59.04 | VIad | blizz should improve their world quest UI |
| 18:59.06 | VIad | its horrible |
| 18:59.18 | Predicate | No, you should. |
| 18:59.25 | VIad | quests load upon zone viewing, its hard to see a list over all the quests, rewards, e.g. |
| 18:59.33 | VIad | and its hard to find the bonus chests and what quests are part of those |
| 18:59.43 | VIad | like you have to click a chest, then go find the zone with the specific quests |
| 18:59.49 | VIad | definetly room for an addon here :p |
| 18:59.56 | VIad | but shame since its brand new and blizz are currently working on it |
| 18:59.56 | Semlar | i also hate doing things |
| 19:00.01 | VIad | so hope they improve it |
| 19:01.48 | Semlar | i created a bug earlier today so it balances out, predicate |
| 19:02.15 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.28 | Predicate | You're fired. |
| 19:02.33 | Semlar | i don't even |
| 19:03.02 | NodusCursorius | It... flickers. |
| 19:03.06 | Semlar | yep |
| 19:03.17 | Semlar | it's not supposed to do that |
| 19:03.36 | Predicate | Thanks, Captain Obvious. |
| 19:03.40 | VIad | :< Semlar |
| 19:03.52 | Semlar | it wasn't doing that yesterday |
| 19:04.13 | NodusCursorius | I applaud her efforts to break the code in interesting, creative ways. It yields data. |
| 19:04.17 | mckenziemc | TIL Semlar is the source of all Blizzard bugs. |
| 19:04.44 | mckenziemc | also Semlar is an it |
| 19:10.01 | VIad | getting out of end time was a joke - and look - even my own copy of dalaran! :d http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464030597.png |
| 19:10.33 | Semlar | how are you going to get up there |
| 19:10.45 | VIad | DH have double jump |
| 19:10.46 | VIad | and glide |
| 19:10.48 | VIad | np bro |
| 19:10.58 | VIad | (ââ _â ) |
| 19:11.15 | Semlar | you're gonna need more rope |
| 19:11.54 | Yoshimo | and they can leap too |
| 19:12.35 | VIad | we are going to need a lot more hemp |
| 19:13.02 | VIad | think the portal is there? :p http://ss.bool.no/capture_1464030776.png |
| 19:14.13 | VIad | guess not |
| 19:14.26 | VIad | its weird being here - colors are very off :p |
| 19:15.54 | VIad | they will disable the 2x jump and glide in BGs right? |
| 19:19.08 | Gnarfoz | VIad: if you're interested in what stuff looks like "out of bounds", maybe you want to watch this guys' videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjVDQloX4cIpGqpM6mdyD2Q/videos (or of course any of the ancient WoW exploration movies) |
| 19:19.23 | VIad | yea :p |
| 19:19.28 | VIad | thanks for the link |
| 19:19.46 | VIad | I've been to the GM island back in the day when you could do it without cheating |
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| 19:19.59 | VIad | saw nothing sadly |
| 19:30.06 | VIad | Semlar: your nameplate also appears if you loose hp - falling |
| 19:30.29 | Guest60243 | I was on gm island once, got ported here by someone who was using mind control exploit :) |
| 19:30.56 | VIad | sweet |
| 19:31.01 | Semlar | VIad: it probably considers that "combat" |
| 19:31.35 | VIad | LOL |
| 19:31.36 | VIad | inside end time |
| 19:31.46 | VIad | if you go to the pit of narjun, the area where the azjol dungeons are |
| 19:31.54 | VIad | it puts you in general chat in dragonblight :d |
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| 19:32.30 | VIad | and the proper zone, so /who yields Dragonblight |
| 19:32.33 | VIad | no longer the dungeon |
| 19:32.45 | VIad | the meeting stone is here too - wtf |
| 19:32.49 | VIad | and it works |
| 19:33.05 | VIad | "sure I'll boost you" |
| 19:33.09 | VIad | ohmygodthematrix |
| 19:33.25 | Semlar | ah i should have assaulted guill about /who not working correctly when 2 zones have the same name |
| 19:33.44 | Semlar | well i'm sure that'll never be a problem ever again |
| 19:33.50 | VIad | its still a issue |
| 19:33.55 | VIad | multiple realms |
| 19:34.04 | VIad | like 4 realms sharing the load |
| 19:34.11 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.34 | Semlar | its cross-realm support is pretty sketchy |
| 19:35.05 | VIad | also "Zone" and just Zone is different apparently |
| 19:35.12 | VIad | btw the triggers for the dungeons dont work in end time :p |
| 19:35.17 | Semlar | well, it doesn't help that the same zone can have multiple pockets of phased areas |
| 19:35.18 | VIad | only the meeting stone |
| 19:35.34 | VIad | even if I go to vale I probably wont see semlar either |
| 19:35.41 | VIad | zoned away somewhere :p |
| 19:35.58 | Yoshimo | Unit_spellcast_succeeded, where can i find more details on the format of arg4? so far the wow wikis only say it is a "spell line id" |
| 19:36.05 | VIad | btw Semlar |
| 19:36.15 | VIad | if there is a meeting stone, does it mean you can summon a level 1 in the end time? |
| 19:36.33 | VIad | since its in a confused zone that it thinks is outside world dragonblight :p |
| 19:37.22 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 19:37.59 | Semlar | lineID ties it to other spellcast events |
| 19:38.15 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's mostly useless though |
| 19:38.22 | Semlar | i don't recall it being very reliable |
| 19:39.00 | Semlar | does it even still have this return value |
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| 19:44.28 | Yoshimo | so it is just an increasing index ? |
| 19:46.41 | Ironii | its changed in beta |
| 19:48.47 | Ironii | in beta arg4 is a some kind of spell gid with format like "3-2084-1520-9097-202968-0028916A53", spellid being 5th |
| 19:49.21 | Ironii | 5th in the string, not 5th arg ;P |
| 19:49.50 | Yoshimo | yea that format looked weird and i was wondering what they recorded there |
| 19:50.52 | Ironii | you can use it to tie different events together, USCS/CLEU etc |
| 19:51.28 | Ironii | 5th arg in beta is some kind of weird ID, i don't think anyone figured it out what it means |
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| 19:59.19 | Semlar | wait what |
| 20:00.16 | Semlar | they gave spells a GUID? |
| 20:01.27 | Simca | yeah |
| 20:01.34 | Semlar | interesting |
| 20:04.57 | Semlar | arguments 2, 3 and 4 are the server id, instance id and zone id, 5 is the spellid, and the last one is presumably a unique id for that particular cast |
| 20:07.44 | Semlar | it seems to only be used for UNIT_SPELLCAST events |
| 20:07.49 | Semlar | not the combat log |
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| 20:10.56 | Semlar | the first value could be a flag relating to the caster or the spell, but i've only ever seen it be 3 |
| 20:17.38 | Ironii | mhhh, doesn't cleu events also include the same guid? |
| 20:17.56 | Ironii | hmph, easy enough to just log in and check ;P |
| 20:20.42 | Ironii | doesn't seem like it |
| 20:21.34 | Ironii | ah well, atleast its easy to filter spells based on the guid |
| 20:22.12 | Ironii | since you can have multiple events for same cast |
| 20:22.29 | Ironii | just including target,focus,boss,nameplate units makes 4 events per cast |
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| 21:07.28 | Ironii | Predicate btw, NamePlate1 isn't always for 'nameplate1' unit, nameplate name is just name for the frame, it can contain any unitid from nameplate1-30 |
| 21:08.05 | Ironii | atleast thats how it worked in the last patch i tested it, i doubt it was changed |
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| 21:14.06 | Semlar | i'm not sure why they don't make them match, there isn't really any reason not to |
| 21:14.45 | nevcairiel | Not really much of a reason to do it either |
| 21:15.07 | Semlar | not for them, i suppose |
| 21:15.22 | Semlar | it's a little more sane to have the unit ID match the frame name |
| 21:15.24 | nevcairiel | It's pretty probably slightly more efficient to bot reshuffle frames all the time when units change, instead just make it point to another one |
| 21:16.28 | Semlar | maybe the unitID gets recycled before the frame does |
| 21:16.57 | Semlar | the frame might stick around to play its despawn animation after the unitID has already been disconnected from it |
| 21:17.09 | Semlar | i haven't timed them or anything |
| 21:17.24 | nevcairiel | Can the unit IDs have holes? |
| 21:17.32 | nevcairiel | Like, one dies? |
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| 21:17.58 | Semlar | once a nameplate is assigned to a unit, as long as the unit is on screen its unit ID won't change |
| 21:18.04 | Semlar | if you're asking if they get reshuffled when one despawns |
| 21:18.40 | Semlar | so you can have holes in the active unitIDs |
| 21:19.08 | nevcairiel | Which makes disjunct frames and IDs more logical, to me anyway |
| 21:19.24 | Semlar | not to me, they represent the same thing |
| 21:19.51 | Semlar | the frame goes into the pool when its unit despawns or goes off the screen, so does its unit ID |
| 21:20.57 | Semlar | they don't get out of sync until a nameplate frame despawns and gets recycled, at which point i don't know how they get assigned to the next plate that spawns |
| 21:21.26 | Semlar | however it chooses them, it doesn't pick the unit ID and frame the same way |
| 21:22.54 | Semlar | up until one of the nameplates gets hidden, all of the nameplate names will match their corresponding unit IDs |
| 21:23.33 | Semlar | i should probably find out how it picks the next one to show |
| 21:24.13 | Semlar | it's not important for styling them, but if you're doing anything with them in the restricted environment it is |
| 21:31.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.49 | Semlar | this isn't the default style i remember |
| 21:59.01 | Semlar | foxlit: the signature i give to dbc.rows shouldn't affect its first return should it? |
| 22:00.07 | foxlit | it may. |
| 22:01.05 | Semlar | if i use "*?" and print on a specific id, it works |
| 22:01.52 | Semlar | but if i use something like "is" it never prints |
| 22:02.08 | Semlar | shouldn't it be pulling the rowID from the id table? |
| 22:02.26 | nevcairiel | i just use auto-guessing now, until it one day screws up |
| 22:03.08 | Semlar | i think the value is one of the columns |
| 22:06.01 | Semlar | foxlit: specifically, i have something like this http://hastebin.com/otajujapin.lua |
| 22:06.13 | Semlar | well okay i didn't rename all the variables properly |
| 22:06.21 | Semlar | so don't mind that |
| 22:06.50 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/lugequjica.lua something like this then |
| 22:07.13 | Semlar | this only works if the signature is *? |
| 22:07.25 | Semlar | i was just curious as to why |
| 22:08.12 | foxlit | you could use .s*. |
| 22:08.20 | Semlar | yeah, but why would that work instead |
| 22:09.07 | Semlar | does the signature have to include the "id" column? |
| 22:09.38 | foxlit | yes, otherwise it never gets there |
| 22:09.57 | Semlar | i thought it was just pulling them out of the id block |
| 22:12.12 | Semlar | or do you not even read the full header if the signature isn't that long |
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| 22:25.16 | foxlit | there's no id block. |
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| 22:32.50 | foxlit | You shouldn't need to know that; I should just extend the format string on your behalf when that would make a difference. |
| 22:33.19 | Semlar | i guess i didn't realize they could mark a field as the id field |
| 22:33.47 | Semlar | i don't think it mentioned that when i was parsing the header |
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| 22:34.25 | Semlar | oh that's what he meant when he said they split the flags column |
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| 23:17.31 | mckenziemc | splits Semlar down the middle. |
| 23:17.46 | Semlar | rude |
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| 23:35.21 | Semlar | hey alright my script executes without throwing any errors |
| 23:35.34 | Semlar | i sure hope its output is right |
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