| 00:01.24 | foxlit | so what makes you think they're strings? :) |
| 00:06.49 | Semlar | maybe i wasn't clear about what my "type guessing" does |
| 00:07.49 | Simca | foxlit: i've ported my column names from the WoD internal build as far as they will go, back in that build, names for the 5 string fields in the middle were: Name, Name2, Name3, Name4, Description |
| 00:08.00 | Semlar | i wanted it to actually output what the information is supposed to look like, not "number" or "string" |
| 00:08.36 | Simca | well that and 'string,string,string,string,string' in the csv |
| 00:09.23 | Semlar | the meta data tells me almost nothing that the db2 headers already say |
| 00:09.25 | foxlit | so basically hardcoded interpretation for that file. |
| 00:11.34 | Semlar | the old dbc viewer i have shows what every column is supposed to look like without knowing its structure, that's what i have my rows outputting right now |
| 00:13.06 | Semlar | [TOM_RUS]: do you have a list of what columns are bit flags somewhere? |
| 00:13.55 | Simca | yes, foxlit, you are correct in thinking that that is the one situation you MUST have the binary's metadata in order to parse properly (inline strings in an offset_map-enabled db2) |
| 00:14.36 | foxlit | hey, if I thought that, I'd be finished. |
| 00:16.31 | Simca | well i mean, if you're writing your parser thing as an extension of LuaCASC |
| 00:16.36 | Simca | then you do sort of have the binary handy |
| 00:16.44 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, im not sure what are asking for, but bit flags is just a number anyway |
| 00:17.32 | Semlar | yeah, they're all just numbers |
| 00:17.48 | Simca | Semlar: best thing to do is rely on the weird people obsessed with 3.3.5 - there are a bunch of 'community' spell editors and stuff for 3.3.5 that have a RIDICULOUS amount of flags documented (far more than any modern tool) |
| 00:18.22 | Simca | I guess since their version is static and not ever-changing like ours, they have more time to focus on the minutiae |
| 00:18.23 | Semlar | every column is just a number until you associate it with what it's supposed to represent |
| 00:19.46 | [TOM_RUS] | tell that to item-sparse |
| 00:19.53 | [TOM_RUS] | where it can be string! |
| 00:20.39 | Predicate | Every string is just a number until you associate it with a charset, really. |
| 00:23.07 | Semlar | when you get right down to it aren't we all just numbers |
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| 00:41.27 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/6t89aj1J |
| 01:11.09 | Simca | a little bit more new music |
| 01:12.42 | Simca | *** failed to extract file (possibly unknown encryption key?) |
| 01:12.46 | Simca | still all encrypted i guess |
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| 02:14.29 | Simca | <[TOM_RUS]> apparently they added ID field index into db2 header with todays build |
| 02:14.29 | Simca | <[TOM_RUS]> by splitting last header field into 2 |
| 02:14.40 | Simca | foxlit, Semlar, relevant if true |
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| 02:19.27 | Semlar | so how are you supposed to know how long the last field is |
| 02:19.59 | Fisker | Hey Iriel |
| 02:21.29 | foxlit | It's flags. You don't care. |
| 02:22.19 | Semlar | i was using stride length - last field position to get its width |
| 02:22.43 | foxlit | that's not the field in question. |
| 02:23.10 | Iriel | Fisker: Hey fisker! |
| 02:23.40 | Semlar | i see |
| 02:23.44 | Fisker | anxiously runs away |
| 02:24.02 | Simca | Semlar: last field calculation for me is like this |
| 02:24.29 | Iriel | Fisker: you're like my dog - he sometimes whines for attention then when I get up to go to him he runs off. |
| 02:24.39 | Simca | if (lastSize > 0) |
| 02:24.39 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.42 | Fisker | wow |
| 02:24.48 | Fisker | Tears shed |
| 02:25.02 | Iriel | My dog is pretty awesome, so that's a good comparison, probably 8-) |
| 02:25.36 | Fisker | I'm not a fan of dogs |
| 02:25.40 | Simca | i.e. if record size is 32 and field position is 27 and size is 2, assume short[2] |
| 02:26.58 | Iriel | I wasn't a fan for a while, then I had to live with a properly trained adult one for a while, and improved my opinion. Then we got a puppy last year and now i'm much more of a fan. Of ours, anyway, i'm less enthusiastic about others'. |
| 02:33.29 | Fisker | I see |
| 02:33.51 | Simca | also Guill, i saw in the C_TradeSkillUI functions that a lot of them that would traditionally return something like: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, etc now return { 'a' = a, 'b' = b, 'c' = c } |
| 02:34.06 | Simca | this allows for stuff like - C_TradeSkillUI.GetRecipeInfo(recipes[i]).name which is pretty cool |
| 02:34.20 | Fisker | Oh dear |
| 02:34.21 | Iriel | Fisker: See https://www.flickr.com/photos/partialobscurity/18487149506/in/dateposted-public/ |
| 02:34.27 | Simca | is that the design intent for most function returns going forward (table of results with keys for names)? |
| 02:34.34 | Fisker | Cairenn is up and I didn't even hug her yet |
| 02:34.40 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 02:37.27 | Simca | foxlit, Semlar, it is true, 'flags' field in header is now a short, followed by 'ID_index', a short |
| 02:38.31 | Semlar | i like shorts |
| 02:41.04 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 02:48.28 | Simca | ok updated wowdev wiki to account for the change |
| 02:54.02 | Guill | Simca: For now, we're doing it where it makes sense (i.e. so many return values that the code is unreadable as-is). With the Lua heap improvements in 7.0, we're a lot less hesitant to do it though |
| 02:54.48 | Simca | neat |
| 02:54.56 | Guill | Simca: We've been thinking about making improvements in the future(tm) to auto-gen both forms of functions though (which would also let us actually generate documentation) |
| 02:55.10 | kd3 | actual documentation? gasp |
| 02:55.13 | Guill | Don't know if or when that'll happen. And if it does, it'll probably just be for new functions |
| 02:55.14 | Predicate | That. Do that. |
| 02:55.25 | Guill | But still a cool idea |
| 02:55.51 | Simca | yeah, currently you have usage strings in the client which are kind of sort of documentation |
| 02:56.19 | Guill | Yup. When they're kept up-to-date :P |
| 02:56.27 | Guill | And don't have copy+paste errors |
| 02:56.36 | Simca | yeah |
| 02:56.53 | Predicate | Or just plain typos... Usage(RenamePetition("name") |
| 02:57.38 | Simca | there's some funny cases where there was apparently an undocumented third optional argument to SetTexture that was unknown for literally years |
| 02:58.07 | Guill | Predicate: Fixed. |
| 02:58.17 | Predicate | Oh. Uh, can I have a pony too? |
| 02:58.28 | Simca | SetTexture(texture[, horizTile][, vertTile]) |
| 02:58.30 | Guill | Sorry, this was your one wish |
| 02:58.47 | Simca | where the usage function only told you about the first two IIRC |
| 02:59.01 | Predicate | Dang, and I wasted it on typos. |
| 02:59.13 | Stanzilla | should have asked to get UnitNamePlayerGuild cvar fixed :( |
| 02:59.47 | Predicate | Or a secure template that can toggle pet autocast without a macro hack... :( |
| 03:00.04 | Guill | How is UnitNamePlayerGuild broken? The C-side implementation (and CVar) shouldn't have changed. |
| 03:00.40 | Stanzilla | Guill: it does not hide the guild name of the player |
| 03:01.11 | Stanzilla | or toggle |
| 03:01.40 | Guill | Oh, yeah, that CVar is read in exactly 0 places. |
| 03:01.48 | Guill | Also, speaking of typos, "UnitNameHostleNPC" |
| 03:02.05 | Stanzilla | I submitted it via the ingame bug report tool if that helps |
| 03:02.50 | Guill | Yeah, it's probably somewhere on our list of bugs |
| 03:05.48 | Stanzilla | wtb public bugtracker :D |
| 03:06.29 | Guill | Maybe you should have thought of that before Predicate used his one wish on fixing that error text! |
| 03:06.57 | Predicate | Oh, that won't make me any friends. Thanks a lot :P |
| 03:10.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure the number of open bugs could be represented as a 24-bit number |
| 03:11.48 | Simca | dies of laughter |
| 03:13.33 | Guill | What do you guys have against 24-bit numbers? Maybe our build machines are SDS 930s. |
| 03:14.13 | Predicate | I hear the server guys have been spending your build equipment budget on premium ice cream |
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| 03:27.20 | [TOM_RUS] | http://paste2.org/XmzLkneO |
| 03:31.04 | Predicate | Poor GearScore :( |
| 03:31.57 | Fisker | I miss gearscore |
| 03:32.22 | Fisker | So Guill who's the resident punner at your team? |
| 03:32.29 | Fisker | WHO CAME UP WITH BADDONS?! |
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| 03:43.43 | Simca | Semlar, foxlit, [TOM_RUS] confirmed that 'size' in the field_structure block is a signed short, -32 will be there to signify 64-bit integers |
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| 03:44.54 | Ressy | oooooooohhh.. You can see all the banned addons now? |
| 03:45.24 | Simca | yeah, recent change to how they stored those values, they used to be md5s of the names/versions, now they show the actual names and versions |
| 03:46.24 | Ressy | Yeah.. It was a pain figuring out whem before. |
| 03:50.56 | Amarande | nah, I don't miss gearscore ... it was a cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth for people trying to get into raiding in wrath :| |
| 03:51.17 | nebula | i mean, just straight ilvl reqs replaced it |
| 03:51.31 | Amarande | although the same elitism seems to have been there for quite some time anyhow, given how LFM requests for BC heroics were |
| 03:51.48 | Amarande | nebula: *reasonable* ilvl reqs, is the more important thing |
| 03:51.54 | nebula | they're not. |
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| 03:52.06 | Amarande | gearscore folks basically were asking for heroic-25 gear to run normal-10 |
| 03:52.45 | Amarande | ugh, this suitcase is about twice as full as it's actually capable of being :( |
| 04:03.13 | Semlar | Guill: what is the "imguiTheme" cvar for |
| 04:11.36 | [TOM_RUS] | Semlar, blue or red! |
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| 04:11.54 | Semlar | >_> but what does it do |
| 04:12.20 | kullervo | what happens if one tries to load an addon in the banned addons list? |
| 04:12.37 | Semlar | probably just blocks it from loading |
| 04:12.39 | Simca | it won't load |
| 04:12.45 | Simca | won't even read the files |
| 04:12.47 | kullervo | right |
| 04:12.48 | Semlar | this is also definitely not the entire list of things they've locked down |
| 04:13.06 | Simca | there are a lot of missing entries for whatever reason, Semlar |
| 04:13.07 | [TOM_RUS] | it will load toc, and show "banned" in addon's list |
| 04:13.15 | Simca | maybe -REDACTED- |
| 04:13.45 | Simca | Semlar: 'blue or red' sounds like that japanese contest to pick your favorite classic pokemon game |
| 04:13.46 | Simca | lol |
| 04:13.52 | Semlar | i had a hell of a time debugging why one of my addons wouldn't work and it was because the game was silently preventing me from creating a frame with a particular addon name |
| 04:15.54 | Amarande | nebula: anyway, at least the ilvl requirements these days are on the high side (which is probably a good thing for random pugs, anyway) instead of completely ridiculous like the gearscore kids always wanted :) |
| 04:16.26 | Amarande | like I said ... going by GS, a raid with i251 drops would tell you "need i270 to join" :P |
| 04:17.54 | nebula | that hasn't changed |
| 04:18.12 | nebula | was my point |
| 04:20.03 | Amarande | nebula: yeah, premade groups still have head-shakingly high ilvl demands |
| 04:20.18 | Amarande | but at least you don't need post-release raid gear to do heroics like you pretty much had demanded of you in BC :) |
| 04:21.20 | kullervo | hey how's this: I make a popular weak aura for my guild, but hide a script that kills the game that executes when the tier's last boss hits 10k health or something |
| 04:21.46 | kullervo | then everyone's game crashes when we get the first kill |
| 04:21.47 | Semlar | stop hacking |
| 04:24.45 | Amarande | kullervo: that will make you nearly as hated as Valafar ... probably not quite, though, since nobody's really as worthy of sustained hate as Valafar :P |
| 04:26.35 | Amarande | mostly because it'd probably just be your guild that wanted your blood, whereas the entire Ysera-US server pretty much wanted his heh |
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| 04:28.08 | Simca | wouldn't be hard, i know at least a couple unresolved Lua-based crashes off the top of my head |
| 04:28.23 | kullervo | I do too |
| 04:29.11 | kullervo | had my guildie test one, it might've just disconnected him in 20 minutes but he opted to altf4 |
| 04:30.20 | [TOM_RUS] | I remember in MoP I discovered raid browser server side backend crash with single /script command :D that was fun |
| 04:30.42 | kullervo | "oops" |
| 04:33.56 | Simca | CreateFrame("PlayerModel"):SetDisplayInfo(x) where x is one of several DisplayInfoIDs with critical values being 0 |
| 04:34.06 | Simca | will crash every time instead of just not displaying the model |
| 04:34.31 | Simca | much to my unhappiness |
| 04:35.22 | kullervo | I've also found some specific logic failures in WAs will always crash to desktop with a C error |
| 04:48.35 | Simca | foxlit, Semlar: 'build' field was replaced by 'layout_hash'. meaning unknown, purpose unknown. got the name from what the client whines when the field is wrong - "%s has wrong layout hash (found %i, expected %i)" |
| 04:49.04 | Simca | updated wiki page |
| 04:54.06 | Semlar | some kind of integrity check |
| 05:02.23 | [TOM_RUS] | they already checked tableHash few lines above |
| 05:02.26 | [TOM_RUS] | http://paste2.org/9s38WGD0 |
| 05:05.35 | Semlar | the layout could be something like the order of the columns or making sure their sizes line up |
| 05:05.46 | Semlar | i'm not sure what tableHash verifies |
| 05:06.11 | Semlar | the whole file? |
| 05:07.35 | Simca | no, tableHash never changes |
| 05:07.47 | Simca | i think it's literally the hash of the db2's filename, lol |
| 05:08.04 | Semlar | so just an identifier for that file |
| 05:08.08 | Simca | yeah |
| 05:08.26 | Simca | it didn't even change across wdb2 to wdb3, etc |
| 05:09.07 | [TOM_RUS] | they also use table hash for client-server communications |
| 05:09.33 | Semlar | i would guess that the layout hash makes sure the data is structured the way that it's expected to be |
| 05:09.42 | Semlar | but i guess it could be anything |
| 05:12.21 | [TOM_RUS] | we will see if it changes between builds or structure changes |
| 05:13.54 | mckenziemc | browns Semlar's hashes. |
| 05:14.11 | Semlar | blaze it |
| 05:14.26 | mckenziemc | not hashish, noob |
| 05:18.38 | mckenziemc | uses dry-rot fungus to produce a digest of Semlar's home. |
| 05:29.13 | Simca | yeah, that will be the real test, [TOM_RUS] |
| 05:29.29 | Simca | from what you can see though, it seems like they don't calculate it at any point? |
| 05:29.35 | Simca | they just trust what the header says? |
| 05:42.56 | Semlar | well that's interesting |
| 05:43.38 | Semlar | they may have made it so manually repositioning nameplates isn't necessary |
| 05:44.14 | Semlar | there's no longer huge amounts of lag from trying to move a frame that isn't hidden |
| 05:46.41 | Semlar | i think there's still a small improvement but nowhere near the framerate difference it was before the last update |
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| 07:50.29 | haste | Gnarfoz: at some point I'll probably stop the highlights, but for now I'm just stalking everyting you paste :D |
| 07:51.38 | nevcairiel | gotta have a hobby, right |
| 07:53.53 | Semlar | stalking is not a hobby |
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| 07:56.54 | Simca | chaud would disagree |
| 07:59.12 | Phixion | :) |
| 08:01.48 | Simca | I wonder if somebody will maintain a 'FileData' library |
| 08:01.54 | Simca | to convert FileDataIDs to paths |
| 08:04.11 | nevcairiel | is there a way to populate that, or a lot of manual guesswork? |
| 08:05.49 | Simca | yes, at least as of right now, they are still shipping a file called FileDataComplete.db2 which contains all filenames |
| 08:06.03 | Simca | the client does not read it, so idk why they are shipping it, but it works for me |
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| 08:26.21 | VIad | I haven't looked much at the new casc, but why exactly do we need to guesswork? Isn't the casc system stand alone? Is there some manifest sent from the servers to tell us where in the casc the files are? |
| 08:27.27 | VIad | like, if wow used some custom certificate to communicate and get the manifest for the casc, making it difficult to just request directly or something |
| 08:28.09 | Simca | the game no longer knows about filenames, the entire system is based on namehashes and filedataIDs |
| 08:28.14 | nevcairiel | casc doesnt have file names, you need to know the file names |
| 08:28.40 | VIad | so you need to know the hash (or some algo to produce a hash) from a filepath? |
| 08:28.44 | Simca | if it wasn't for them shipping us FileDataComplete.db2 with its full list of filenames, we would be forced to throw millions of guesses into their name hashing function |
| 08:29.05 | Simca | (that's what had to happen in early Legion) |
| 08:29.11 | VIad | how does the game itself know how to look for stuff? is there a list of fixed embeded filepaths to start with? |
| 08:29.17 | VIad | into the exe |
| 08:29.30 | VIad | and the rest is just ondemand as various sources try to read various files they know the hash to? |
| 08:29.47 | Simca | filedataIDs are used throughout the game's DBs to reference files |
| 08:30.53 | Simca | they supplement this with little mini containers for files that serve a similar purpose - textureFileDataIDs can contain many textures (one for every race/class/sex combination) |
| 08:31.42 | VIad | if the game is going to load a model, how does it know where to look for it? like if you encounter some npc ingame and it has a specific displayID pointing to some model and data in the creature dbc files |
| 08:32.16 | VIad | at some point the game probably gets access to all the dbc related files right? at login or something, since these files contain a lot of basic data |
| 08:32.48 | Simca | the displayID from the creature points to an entry in CreatureDisplayInfo, which points to a TextureFileDataID (for the skin) and a CreatureModelData entry (which has a ModelFileDataID for the model) |
| 08:33.14 | Simca | ModelFileData and TextureFileData can be parsed to convert those IDs into FileDataIDs |
| 08:33.44 | Simca | which are something that the game can understand natively (the 'root' file in CASC matches FileDataID, Data MD5, and NameHash together) |
| 08:34.20 | Simca | and yes, a couple dozen DB2s are loaded at launch of the game, and the rest of them are loaded at entering world |
| 08:34.25 | VIad | is it possible to create a parser that, as more nodes are added on the tree (of known data), it continues to search further down? |
| 08:34.36 | VIad | like how a model file might request textures located somewhere |
| 08:34.48 | VIad | scanning the model file tells us about those textures |
| 08:35.02 | VIad | though probably not all files are chained together |
| 08:35.22 | Simca | yes, that type of thinking helps a lot in gathering file names, and it was used in the 'dark ages' before FileDataComplete |
| 08:35.30 | VIad | hehe |
| 08:35.41 | VIad | as long filedatacomplete is complete and not lying :p |
| 08:36.01 | Simca | it's actually overly complete, which is part of why I don't think they're aware it is being shipped lol |
| 08:36.17 | Simca | it has every single file, including ones that don't leave development environments |
| 08:36.24 | Simca | or ones designed for server use only |
| 08:36.42 | VIad | oh |
| 08:36.54 | Simca | every single filename* |
| 08:36.55 | VIad | at least they threw us a bone |
| 08:37.10 | VIad | someone inside leaked it on purpose by flagging it to be shipped :p |
| 08:37.12 | Simca | and yeah, model files (for whatever reason) contain both filenames and filedataIDs, even though the game can't read filenames |
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| 08:37.25 | Simca | so that is something at least |
| 08:37.25 | VIad | deprecated data maybe :p |
| 08:37.28 | Simca | yeah |
| 08:37.30 | Simca | likely |
| 08:37.40 | VIad | maybe removed for release if they remember to do it |
| 08:37.54 | Simca | i think they might leave it just because of the way they implemented it |
| 08:38.33 | Simca | basically they took the old model files and wrapped them into a container of a new file |
| 08:39.07 | Simca | so the format is like 'MD21', oldModelDataHere, textureFileDataIDs, boneFileDataIDs, skinFileDataIDs, physFileDataIDs |
| 08:39.24 | Simca | seems like they wanted to keep the old model data completely intact, even its signature is still the same |
| 08:40.55 | Simca | the hack that was used to make the wowdb modelviewer work for legion was just discarding the first 8 bytes of the file (the new signature that is out in front of the old one) and pretending everything was fine |
| 08:42.11 | VIad | aha |
| 08:43.01 | Maldivia | VIad: you sound surpriced, considering basically any of the data file readers are hacked together like that :) |
| 08:44.31 | Simca | both the wowdb and wowhead modelviewer original developers disappeared mysteriously (at different points, theirs was a year or two later) |
| 08:44.35 | VIad | well its a smart hack I guess, until suddenly the header says the data following is no longer the expected wrapped data :p |
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| 08:45.16 | Simca | i am pretty sure it is a worldwide conspiracy by blizzard perpetrated to make people try on items ingame |
| 08:46.24 | VIad | I guess blizz is fine with model viewers, considering wowhead is a fansite :p |
| 08:46.45 | Simca | yeah, i'm just kidding |
| 08:47.01 | VIad | probably just tiresome to keep them working if files and structures change |
| 08:47.05 | Simca | yeah |
| 08:47.09 | VIad | since that research requires reverse engineering |
| 08:47.13 | VIad | and it takes time :< |
| 08:47.19 | Simca | which amusingly is a ToS violation |
| 08:47.39 | Simca | all modern modelviewers were created by elf magic, no reverse engineering involved I swear |
| 08:47.48 | Maldivia | VIad: try whispering the word "ribbon" to Simca :) |
| 08:48.00 | Simca | noribbonsplz |
| 08:49.10 | VIad | just vpn to europe and reverse engineer from here :p |
| 08:49.36 | VIad | also if you do it for academic purposes I think its okay, at least in eu |
| 08:49.42 | Maldivia | reverse engineering doesn't really require internet connection :D |
| 08:49.48 | VIad | or for system compatibility if you need to connect old with the new |
| 08:49.53 | VIad | I know :p |
| 08:50.03 | Maldivia | (well, in many cases) |
| 08:50.04 | VIad | weekend flight to london |
| 08:50.59 | VIad | tbh it all boils down to what happens in court, if you are guilty or not |
| 08:51.20 | VIad | doubt blizz will do that in this case, tbh I think it also helps keep the modding comunity alive |
| 08:51.28 | VIad | if blizz were asses that sued everyone |
| 08:51.35 | VIad | no one would bother to make stuff for their game |
| 08:51.41 | VIad | no modelviewers, machinimas :p |
| 08:51.46 | VIad | what not, list is probably long |
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| 09:14.28 | Gnarfoz | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/410760-its-time-to-fix-tanking-multiple-mobs-blizz/ whee, finally. if they actually fixed it, it'll be the first time in what, 3 years? that this will be working properly again |
| 09:18.13 | Semlar | i never considered having to move slightly to position mobs while tanking to be an issue |
| 09:18.28 | nevcairiel | having to move slightly to position them once is fine |
| 09:18.40 | Gnarfoz | the issue is that mobs react to your movement in ways they shouldn't |
| 09:18.48 | Gnarfoz | the OP describes it quite well, actually |
| 09:18.49 | nevcairiel | but right now you literally cant position them properly without constantly moving |
| 09:19.29 | Semlar | if it's as bad as you say, it hasn't been like that for 3 years |
| 09:19.41 | Gnarfoz | well, it's been a while, not sure when they broke it last |
| 09:19.46 | Semlar | i have no issues when i was tanking |
| 09:19.56 | Semlar | although to be fair i didn't do much standing around |
| 09:20.17 | Simca | they've applied various fixes, i think it was at its worst in 3.2 or 3.3 though |
| 09:20.18 | Semlar | i probably wouldn't have noticed either way |
| 09:20.37 | Simca | i remember in the initial ICC dungeons it was super noticeable, mobs would constantly try to get behind you |
| 09:20.39 | Semlar | hey wrath was when i did most of my tanking |
| 09:20.43 | Gnarfoz | it's been in various states of disrepair over the years |
| 09:21.11 | Gnarfoz | sometimes fine, sometimes very not fine, some times only vaguely noticeable |
| 09:21.31 | Semlar | having to back up when mobs move gives you something to do |
| 09:21.51 | Gnarfoz | is there some place where I can browse that mysterious FileDataComplete.db2? Or do I need to figure out how to use LuaCasc or some other tool? |
| 09:21.53 | VIad | tbh the bit where mobs spread around you, thats why I kept my back to a wall to avoid dying from unparryable attacks |
| 09:22.03 | VIad | tbh never bothered with it, was like part ofthe role :p |
| 09:22.15 | VIad | to pull not too much, and if you do, position ass to wall so mobs dont backstab you |
| 09:22.38 | VIad | also they only circled if you stood still long enough, while moving I strafe to get mostly hit in front or sides, not ass |
| 09:22.44 | Gnarfoz | that's the dangerous part of the problem... say you're tanking 20 mobs because you're doing CMs (or just a handful of very strong mobs)... suddenly, hits in the back - splat |
| 09:22.54 | VIad | yes. thats part of the challenge :p |
| 09:22.56 | Semlar | luacasc is incapable of opening db2 files right now so it wouldn't help |
| 09:23.12 | Gnarfoz | CASCexplorer? |
| 09:23.18 | Gnarfoz | those are the only two I'm aware of |
| 09:23.35 | Semlar | well it can extract them |
| 09:23.47 | Semlar | but i assume you want to be able to browse their contents |
| 09:25.42 | Semlar | lol 700,000 entries |
| 09:26.25 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm just curious because non-production and server filenames were mentioned |
| 09:32.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.43 | Semlar | well i fucked that up hang on |
| 09:39.35 | Semlar | ah yeah this is 50mb that's much better |
| 09:41.50 | Gnarfoz | did you just replace it? |
| 09:41.59 | Semlar | yeah |
| 09:42.19 | Gnarfoz | ah. thanks Semlar |
| 09:42.28 | Semlar | should have full file paths |
| 09:42.40 | Gnarfoz | looks about llike what I expected |
| 09:42.54 | Gnarfoz | now I have things to do for the rest of this dreary friday |
| 09:42.54 | Semlar | the first time i ran it i wasn't interpreting the first column as a string |
| 09:43.20 | Semlar | which is a bad sign, it means there's something wrong with my script |
| 09:43.33 | Semlar | either that or they have string references that don't exist |
| 09:43.43 | nevcairiel | if just running it again gave you different results, there is something seriously wrong with your script =p |
| 09:44.02 | Semlar | well no obviously i had to tell it how to interpret the file |
| 09:44.09 | Semlar | the first time i ran it i just told it to guess |
| 09:44.57 | Semlar | it shouldn't have failed to recognize that the column was pointing to the string block unless some of the entries don't point to the start of a string |
| 09:53.18 | Semlar | weeeell that is definitely pointing to something that is not in the string block |
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| 10:54.26 | VIad | Semlar: I downloaded your file, is it wrong or correct now? |
| 10:54.38 | Semlar | it's correct |
| 11:30.54 | JTF195 | this is driving me crazy. i've got this wallpaper: http://puu.sh/oYEkn/cea07c0be3.png and I recognize the logo in the center. have even seen it recently, but I just can NOT remember what it is. anyone know? |
| 11:32.51 | foxlit | python. |
| 11:33.09 | JTF195 | damn it |
| 11:33.09 | foxlit | https://www.python.org/static/community_logos/python-logo-master-v3-TM.png |
| 11:34.08 | JTF195 | yup, i saw it just a week or two ago |
| 11:36.48 | Semlar | you can't control code, it's meant to be free! |
| 11:37.02 | Semlar | LET IT RUN WILD |
| 11:38.32 | Kalroth | its two worms sitting butt to butt |
| 11:39.06 | Semlar | i'm almost positive they're supposed to be snakes |
| 11:39.52 | Semlar | plus i don't think worms can sit |
| 11:40.09 | Kalroth | ever played Worms? of course they can |
| 11:42.54 | foxlit | "You are to hungry to continue.You need to eat to survive." |
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| 12:19.10 | mitch0 | You are eaten by a newt. |
| 12:24.43 | VIad | isnt the only addition the eyes on that logo? |
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| 12:55.09 | karl_w_w | newtralizes mitch0. |
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| 13:21.12 | Arrow|work | somebody saved me a raspberry filled donut! |
| 13:21.58 | karl_w_w | "would have definitely been," or "would definitely have been"? |
| 13:24.36 | Gnarfoz | as you like, tbh |
| 13:24.41 | mckenziemc | would of stabbed karl_w_w by now, if that was a valid construct. |
| 13:25.33 | karl_w_w | haves violently all over mckenziemc. |
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| 14:28.25 | foxlit | nevcairiel: https://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/1.6/ |
| 14:28.37 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 14:32.12 | nevcairiel | does guessing work properly, ie. can i just use ?* to poke around the files? :) |
| 14:33.01 | Predicate | foxlit: Your FrameXML update clobbered the GlobalStrings.lua line in FrameXML.toc, FYI |
| 14:36.12 | foxlit | hah, that's funny. |
| 14:36.33 | foxlit | points for guessing how that happened. |
| 14:38.59 | foxlit | nevcairiel: maybe? |
| 14:42.00 | nevcairiel | how would I know how your hack to produce globalstrings works :) |
| 14:43.42 | foxlit | note that the hack to produce globalstrings worked correctly. |
| 14:45.01 | foxlit | _G["7.0_NIGHTMARE_RAID_XAVIUS_NIGHTMARE_CORRUPTION"] = "Nightmare Corruption"; |
| 14:45.43 | Gnarfoz | globalstrings with . in them |
| 14:46.39 | foxlit | starting with a number is also cool |
| 14:53.15 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/Diablo/status/733666608216825856 this looks like one of those Neffi or Semlar Diablo video snippets |
| 15:00.47 | Kesava | https://i.imgur.com/OZmss9D.jpg |
| 15:00.55 | Kesava | i think they forgot to put a limit on the scaling buff he gets. |
| 15:02.26 | Kesava | oh, no, actually i've hit it. but i think this is probably the hard-coded limit. |
| 15:02.29 | Kesava | probably a bit too high. |
| 15:03.06 | Kesava | damage increased by 1000%, still only doing 46. |
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| 15:49.31 | Gnarfoz | speaking of typos |
| 15:49.32 | Gnarfoz | World\wmo\Kalimdor\Darnassis\Darnassis.wmo |
| 15:50.03 | Gnarfoz | World\WMO\Lorderon\... |
| 15:50.05 | foxlit | bad Gnarfoz, it's name is 113359. |
| 15:50.10 | foxlit | s/'// |
| 15:50.28 | Gnarfoz | 152881: report for prisoner inspection |
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| 16:33.06 | Gnarfoz | any idea what these describe, Semlar? WTF\tempest (1).wtf |
| 16:33.26 | Gnarfoz | the filenames sound like subzone names |
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| 16:34.20 | Gnarfoz | also really, plain text files GameTablesServer\AvoidanceDiminishing.txt? :D |
| 16:34.50 | Gnarfoz | and I wonder what Character\ORC\MALE\a.csp is, it's the only file in that list with that extension |
| 16:35.31 | Gnarfoz | (excluding other ones like "DELETE" World\Maps\development\Dungeon.chk.DELETE) |
| 16:37.42 | Gnarfoz | I guess to get a real appreciation for the complicated behemoth the entire stack of the game must be, there's only one solution... jobs.blizzard.com :P |
| 16:52.40 | nevcairiel | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/fJL64BU0 |
| 16:55.05 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and what's in legion.lua:98? |
| 16:55.27 | nevcairiel | i call your rows iterator |
| 16:55.58 | nevcairiel | as obtained from dbc.rows before |
| 16:56.31 | foxlit | the message makes it sound like you did the equivalent of local next = pairs(table) local key, val = next() |
| 16:59.49 | nevcairiel | did you change how the iterator works then? this used to work on live :) |
| 17:00.20 | nevcairiel | it probably wasnt very nice, but it worked! |
| 17:01.31 | foxlit | in march. |
| 17:02.55 | nevcairiel | apparently it only needs the second iter argument and not the third tho, so thats easily fixed, and i can keep using my generic processing loop instead of writing a new one for every dbc i want to read |
| 17:03.39 | foxlit | iterators only take two arguments. |
| 17:05.01 | nevcairiel | well yes i meant the second as returned by the iter factory |
| 17:05.18 | nevcairiel | ie. only next(tbl), not next(tbl, prevkey) |
| 17:05.48 | foxlit | why would you break it out of a for loop, anyway? |
| 17:06.37 | nevcairiel | because i have a data table that maps indexed arguments to named table members so i can access it all object-like, and for that a generic loop where i pass the iter results to a function works nicer |
| 17:07.07 | nevcairiel | so before it was just a loop over process_row(iter()) |
| 17:08.10 | nevcairiel | and i cant make a for loop over the iterator that calls the function with any number of members, unless the iter can give me a table instead |
| 17:09.12 | foxlit | it can give you a table, but it's a bit of a mess with row indices. |
| 17:09.40 | nevcairiel | i can just manually call the iterator, just need to make it obey lua iterator standards :) |
| 17:13.33 | foxlit | I wonder if I should just retcon '{*?}' to return a single table, instead of an integer and a table. |
| 17:14.34 | foxlit | maybe put it in [0] |
| 17:14.40 | Semlar | my type guessing was going great until one of the tables has a reference to part of the string block that doesn't exist |
| 17:15.11 | Semlar | ironically taking a random sample instead of iterating over all of the rows would have been more accurate |
| 17:16.03 | Semlar | i should probably double check it with your script |
| 17:29.35 | foxlit | moo? |
| 17:29.51 | Semlar | i think i have the row offset off by 1 in the type guessing function |
| 17:31.23 | Semlar | so it's checking everything except the first row, and going past the end |
| 17:32.08 | Semlar | OPERATOR ERROR |
| 17:34.25 | Semlar | i was only checking every row because i wanted to verify whether every entry in a column was the same value |
| 17:51.53 | Simca | my type guessing was going great until one of the tables has a reference to part of the string block that doesn't exist |
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| 17:51.59 | Simca | :blizzintern: |
| 17:52.23 | Trela | Colon Blizzard Internship Colon. |
| 17:53.01 | Fisker | Hi Seerah |
| 17:53.07 | Fisker | Not hi Simca |
| 17:53.10 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 17:53.10 | Fisker | <3 |
| 17:53.47 | Fisker | I'm tired |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker | And I need sleep |
| 17:54.37 | Seerah | then go to bed |
| 17:54.46 | Fisker | It's only 8pm |
| 17:54.59 | Fisker | And I need to stay up |
| 17:55.16 | Seerah | but you need sleep |
| 17:56.02 | nevcairiel | foxlit: there is one other slightly odd thing, when i use my dumping script on live, the id it returns is a sequential number starting at -1 for some reason, and the second column seems to be the id from the file, while when i run it on legion data, this first sequential column doesnt exist anymore |
| 17:56.53 | Simca | sounds like something that shouldn't ever have existed, db2s don't have a concept of an index like that |
| 18:06.07 | Semlar | nevcairiel: they took the id column out and moved it to a separate block, luacasc is returning it as the first value from dbc.rows |
| 18:06.29 | Semlar | if it was redundant information they probably just removed the column completely |
| 18:10.29 | Simca | jeeze, curseforge paste won't support my 27 MB paste |
| 18:10.31 | Simca | how rude |
| 18:11.17 | Simca | did I say 27 MB, I meant 49.3 MB |
| 18:11.38 | Semlar | i uploaded a compressed version of FileDataComplete to my site |
| 18:11.48 | Semlar | as fun as trying to paste 50mb is |
| 18:12.06 | Simca | very fun thank you |
| 18:12.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.34 | Semlar | someone was asking for it earlier |
| 18:19.43 | nevcairiel | wee my script is fixed |
| 18:19.54 | nevcairiel | still a bit annoying that live and legion return different results |
| 18:19.58 | Gnarfoz | I am finally someone, thanks Semlar |
| 18:19.59 | nevcairiel | but i dont need to run it on live anymore |
| 18:20.22 | Semlar | what are you getting different results from |
| 18:20.56 | nevcairiel | like i said, dbc.rows returns one more index column on live, unless that was truely part of the file and dropped now, but i dont think so |
| 18:21.16 | Semlar | which file? |
| 18:21.50 | Simca | yeah i mean it's not impossible, blizzard does have index cols in a few dbs |
| 18:23.35 | nevcairiel | WorldMapOverlay and WorldMapArea |
| 18:23.41 | nevcairiel | both had the exact same behavior |
| 18:24.02 | nevcairiel | run the same script with the 1.6 lua casc, and the live data has an extra col |
| 18:24.23 | Semlar | yeah the ID column got moved out |
| 18:24.47 | Semlar | but it wasn't a sequential index starting at -1 |
| 18:24.49 | nevcairiel | the actual id is the same though, there just was an extra sequential id thats not good for anything |
| 18:25.10 | nevcairiel | foxlit might know if thats something his dbc parser invented |
| 18:25.31 | Semlar | he used to return the row number as the first value from rows |
| 18:25.42 | Semlar | although i don't think it started at -1 |
| 18:26.52 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.17 | Semlar | i think my AC is broken |
| 18:29.23 | Semlar | it's hotter in here than it is outside |
| 18:29.54 | VIad | win7, Semlar? |
| 18:30.31 | Semlar | i'm using windows 7, yes |
| 18:31.01 | VIad | :D |
| 18:31.22 | VIad | won't you join us with the free win10 upgrade that comes with more surveillance? |
| 18:31.32 | Semlar | no thanks |
| 18:32.32 | VIad | I swear casc tools work better on win10 |
| 18:32.39 | VIad | wmo suddenly makes sense |
| 18:35.40 | Semlar | i find that hard to believe |
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| 18:38.35 | VIad | is win7 pestering you about the upgrade, or did you regedit/rmdir that shit away? :p |
| 18:38.58 | Semlar | i got rid of the nag garbage |
| 18:39.39 | VIad | it seems to be just a simple update, and you can just delete the files |
| 18:40.10 | Semlar | ha |
| 18:40.38 | Semlar | the upgrade script is basically a virus |
| 18:44.28 | VIad | tbh, appending &json to any url should produce json version of the site |
| 18:46.49 | VIad | omg the mail service has a developer site that provides tracking info for free :o |
| 18:46.51 | VIad | amazing |
| 18:47.20 | VIad | you can pay for booking, reporting, easy return services, that api costs, but you have the tracking available for all! :d |
| 18:47.27 | VIad | dont have to write a html scraper then |
| 18:59.39 | foxlit | nevcairiel: the first return value from those iterators has always been a bit special -- it's never guaranteed to come from the actual data. |
| 19:01.14 | nevcairiel | foxlit: its just that live and beta behave quite differently |
| 19:01.28 | foxlit | it's almost as if the file format changed! |
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| 19:14.37 | Semlar | stop breaking things foxlit |
| 19:20.50 | Rythal1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ven8dZsfp0 |
| 19:22.31 | foxlit | nevcairiel: (the beta drops the ID "column") |
| 19:23.11 | Rythal1 | curious to see what figure is in the other 2 locations |
| 19:23.26 | foxlit | so what you get instead is the row ID in the dbc's parser's "I do whatever I please with this value" return. |
| 19:24.24 | foxlit | (on live, the ID is not that different from any other column, so it behaves like any other column, and the "whatever I please" return is a sequential row index) |
| 19:24.57 | foxlit | (-1 is a unintended, it really should be accending from 1.) |
| 19:25.32 | nevcairiel | so in short, it was a made up number that ceased to exist |
| 19:26.22 | Simca | yes |
| 19:27.25 | foxlit | for some files only. |
| 19:27.32 | foxlit | in short, rtfm. |
| 19:27.53 | nevcairiel | the manual says it does wtf it pleases =p |
| 19:28.06 | foxlit | "returning the row index (or row ID if specified by the file), and the fields specified in rowSignature" |
| 19:42.22 | foxlit | (I could make it a simple ascending return as it was on live, but then there's the problem that rows have IDs which aren't reflected in any field) |
| 19:42.52 | nevcairiel | well the ID was returned before as well, so thats the confusing part |
| 19:43.02 | foxlit | the ID was a proper column before |
| 19:43.08 | foxlit | now it's (sometimes) not. |
| 19:56.23 | VIad | tbh I am glad that chrome tosses out flash |
| 19:56.29 | VIad | finally forcing hbonordic to swap to html5 :p |
| 19:58.23 | haste | flash is the main reason for chrome crashes here |
| 20:01.04 | VIad | I find it unstable sometimes |
| 20:10.57 | Semlar | it's hard being the fastest man alive |
| 20:19.33 | VIad | oh. did blizz add more transmog info in legion? like if you look at an item that is transmogged, you had no way to extract the look info, especially if you inspected someone else :p |
| 20:19.51 | Semlar | there's a ton of transmog info |
| 20:20.31 | Semlar | they added C_Transmog and C_TransmogCollection |
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| 20:23.19 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:23.32 | VIad | I'll check if I can extract transmog info from people I inspect, sec |
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| 20:27.10 | VIad | hmm. doesn't seem like I can extract visual info from others |
| 20:27.32 | VIad | C_Transmog mostly just for your own transmogging when talking to the npc |
| 20:27.39 | VIad | and C_TransmogCollection for the journal collection |
| 20:39.41 | VIad | fyi the DH weapon quest for dps you can skip killing and just loot stuff :p |
| 20:40.20 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/pnKxsBR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zZq2w1k.jpg http://i.imgur.com/T8RCbI0.jpg |
| 20:40.25 | fewyn | we bought an arcade cab :D |
| 20:40.33 | fewyn | it used to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastan_(video_game) |
| 20:42.40 | Semlar | there's model:GetSlotTransmogSource(slotID) but i'm not sure how this is used |
| 20:43.44 | Semlar | i think you can set a model to a unit and call it on each slotID and get the item that it's transmogged to |
| 20:44.29 | Semlar | well, i don't know, it returned a number but it doesn't seem to be an item ID |
| 20:45.00 | Semlar | i suppose that makes sense since multiple items would have the same appearance |
| 20:47.09 | Semlar | duh, it's a source ID |
| 20:47.11 | Semlar | alright |
| 20:47.22 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard should pay pun tax http://i.imgur.com/WL2T9S9.png |
| 20:47.28 | Semlar | you can call C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceInfoBySource(sourceID) |
| 20:50.47 | Semlar | viad |
| 20:52.07 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:53.33 | Semlar | mode:SetUnit('target') -> loop over their slots with model:GetSlotTransmogSource(slotID) and then call C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceInfoBySource(sourceID) |
| 20:53.49 | Semlar | s/mode/model |
| 20:55.19 | Semlar | lol, okay don't call model:SetUnit() on an npc |
| 20:57.07 | Semlar | the DressUpModel appears to just load their base model with no textures, which is weird because i'm pretty sure this used to work |
| 20:57.55 | Semlar | might need to try a different model frame type |
| 21:00.15 | Semlar | ah yeah PlayerModel works fine, i guess you can't play dressup with NPCs |
| 21:02.02 | Semlar | model:FreezeAnimation() might be my new favorite function |
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| 21:10.35 | Semlar | i was going to say that they fixed not being able to set the alpha of the minimap while indoors, but the map disappeared on me when i moved |
| 21:18.25 | VIad | Semlar: you can to a certain degree |
| 21:18.35 | VIad | SetCreature and their ID from GUID |
| 21:18.44 | VIad | though NPCs come baked with textures :p |
| 21:18.55 | VIad | so their cloak texture is part of their body even if you undress them |
| 21:18.57 | Semlar | i know that |
| 21:19.07 | Semlar | the SetUnit function is to actually set it to a particular unit |
| 21:19.46 | VIad | SetUnit is a white mess if you targetn pcs ;d |
| 21:20.13 | VIad | loads like all the customization of that race :p |
| 21:20.15 | VIad | but white |
| 21:20.35 | VIad | voidwalkers look cool though, and hunter pets, the legendary one |
| 21:20.45 | VIad | hati is white with blue effects |
| 21:21.14 | [TOM_RUS] | VIad, there's some getinspect something API for transmog |
| 21:23.15 | [TOM_RUS] | C_TransmogCollection.GetInspectSources |
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| 21:24.40 | VIad | oh |
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| 21:25.15 | VIad | can settle with that too |
| 22:01.00 | kullervo | I need a better cast bar addon than azCastbar |
| 22:01.27 | kullervo | one that shows "uninterruptable" status in bar color and perhaps even spell schools >_> |
| 22:08.17 | Semlar | i colored my nameplate castbars but that was a lot harder than you might think it is |
| 22:08.51 | Semlar | i had to pull the spell school out of the combat log |
| 22:09.34 | Semlar | it makes them look a lot better though |
| 22:22.48 | kullervo | Semlar: that sounds exactly how I thought it'd work |
| 22:24.01 | Semlar | what i mean is, there isn't an api for it and you have no spell id anyway so i had to cache the spell name -> spell school and correct the color of the bar after it started |
| 22:24.53 | Semlar | that and multiple different spells can technically have the same name and different schools, but that's only an issue for nameplates |
| 22:25.09 | Semlar | or it was an issue, it shouldn't be any more since you have a unit id |
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| 22:51.29 | kullervo | "you have been disconnected from Battle.net" |
| 22:52.08 | kullervo | had to /reload real fast to make sure I don't lose any of my WAs >_> |
| 22:53.00 | Predicate | You know you're in too deep when your muscle memory for /reload has replaced your muscle memory for ctrl+s. |
| 22:53.22 | Semlar | gotta bind ctrl+r to reloadui |
| 22:53.46 | kullervo | "his raid group HATES HIM!" |
| 22:55.23 | Semlar | yeah but they're just jealous |
| 22:55.39 | kullervo | reminds me of when I accidentally swapped wow from main screen to third, smaller screen during opening burst |
| 22:56.51 | Semlar | i miss MoP when your damage for the entire fight was determined by your opening 30 seconds |
| 23:00.06 | g0urra | hardest rift ever to find the next level http://puu.sh/oZgCb/7379a3c41b.jpg |
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| 23:24.17 | nevcairiel | g0urra: your mate seems to have missed it.. |
| 23:32.38 | Munk | Do we have a guild yet on the beta? |
| 23:49.20 | Simca | tracked down the crash I keep having to a specific frame having :GetAnimations called on it |
| 23:49.40 | Simca | now I just have to figure out which frame in this list of like 1000 frames is at fault |
| 23:50.12 | Simca | binary search power, go! |
| 23:58.16 | Simca | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/a7bf7e80 pretty much every anim group in the game |
