| 00:00.07 | znf | I would have prefered the cancer was on to me |
| 00:00.44 | vincentSDSH | I wish your mom better with it than my mom had. |
| 00:01.04 | znf | what did your mom have? |
| 00:01.09 | vincentSDSH | Overian. |
| 00:01.21 | znf | great :-/ |
| 00:01.22 | Semlar | why'd they take out her uterus |
| 00:01.23 | znf | Sorry |
| 00:01.30 | znf | Semlar, cancer. |
| 00:01.47 | znf | ovarian cancer == histerectomy |
| 00:01.52 | znf | ie: removal of the uterus |
| 00:02.47 | Semlar | do the ovaries go with that or do you get to hang onto them |
| 00:02.57 | znf | they go |
| 00:03.13 | znf | they remove the whole reproductive organs |
| 00:03.28 | Semlar | if i ever get something taken out of me i'm going to want them to put it in a jar for me |
| 00:03.42 | Semlar | i'm gonna keep it on my desk |
| 00:03.59 | nevcairiel | i have a small bag of screws that once were in my foot, does that count |
| 00:04.25 | foxlit | surgeons are great at letting you keep stuff that was once inside you. |
| 00:04.29 | Semlar | well, it would really be better if they had to take your foot |
| 00:04.52 | Semlar | and you could mount that somewhere |
| 00:05.08 | znf | I'm still scared as fuk |
| 00:05.38 | nevcairiel | just be happy if they can get it all with one surgery, and it hasnt spread everywhere yet |
| 00:05.57 | Semlar | hysterectomies are pretty common, it's not a very high risk surgery |
| 00:06.02 | nevcairiel | who needs reproductive organs after a certain age anyway |
| 00:06.05 | znf | like, I'd be OK if it was for me (the surgery) |
| 00:06.19 | znf | but I'm scared as fuck for my mother |
| 00:07.25 | Semlar | i'm doing alright without a uterus |
| 00:07.48 | nevcairiel | how do you know what you are missing Semlar? |
| 00:08.09 | Semlar | maybe i can get one put in |
| 00:08.19 | Semlar | just to see what it's like |
| 00:08.31 | Semlar | you know, give it a test drive |
| 00:17.46 | Mr_Rabies | why don't large salvage crates stack to 100 |
| 00:17.51 | Mr_Rabies | tfw i have 450 of them |
| 00:17.52 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 00:18.08 | Semlar | to try and discourage you from hoarding them |
| 00:18.31 | Semlar | how's that working out |
| 00:18.32 | Mr_Rabies | well, the even worse inventory spam encourages me to hoard them |
| 00:18.36 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just open them |
| 00:18.45 | nevcairiel | or throw them away if you dont plan to |
| 00:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda wanted to hold onto them until 7.0 |
| 00:18.58 | Mr_Rabies | so i could just learn a ton of xmog stuff and toss them |
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| 01:03.07 | Simca | foxlit: yeah, there is end of record padding, so you can misinterpret padding as array size |
| 01:03.46 | Simca | i handle that atm by checking the final field's array pieces after the first one and removing ones that are pure zero |
| 01:04.54 | foxlit | You have, of course, documented this :) |
| 01:07.08 | Semlar | so the last field isn't just stride length - field position? |
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| 01:51.47 | Semlar | i'm just going to use 17 question marks for my row signature |
| 01:51.55 | foxlit | *? is a thing, you know. |
| 01:52.02 | Semlar | :O |
| 01:52.08 | foxlit | as is 17? |
| 01:52.13 | Semlar | well yeah |
| 01:52.51 | Semlar | i don't think this handles shorts or characters though |
| 01:54.46 | Semlar | should be fairly easy to guess based on the length of the field |
| 02:09.26 | Semlar | it looks like * assumes the field length is 4 anyway |
| 02:15.27 | foxlit | [TOM_RUS]: Belated thanks; the ID stuff worked perfectly. |
| 02:16.30 | [TOM_RUS] | foxlit, what you talking about? |
| 02:17.14 | foxlit | Something from a day or two ago. |
| 02:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | does going over 700 on the cooking increase the proc chance on getting more food made? |
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| 02:43.38 | Simca | <foxlit> You have, of course, documented this :) |
| 02:43.44 | Simca | i think so, yeah |
| 02:44.41 | Simca | it is actually part of the C++ standard to automatically align and pad structs when writing |
| 02:44.44 | Simca | as well |
| 02:47.41 | Simca | well, i lied, apparently the standard says it is up to the compiler to implement that how they want |
| 02:47.49 | Simca | but every modern compiler does it the same way |
| 02:59.52 | foxlit | Nice. |
| 03:00.16 | foxlit | Remind me to format people's hard drives when they invoke undefined behaviour. |
| 03:01.33 | Semlar | undefines foxlit |
| 03:02.55 | vincentSDSH | Does that mean we may no longer speak of he-who-shall-not-be-named? |
| 03:03.30 | Semlar | only in whispers |
| 03:03.38 | foxlit | Should we also expect natural modern compiler padding inside the rows, I wonder. |
| 03:04.35 | Semlar | you have to expect the unexpected |
| 03:05.15 | Semlar | i now have it guessing the entire struct of every file i'm sure this won't end badly |
| 03:06.47 | Semlar | Approximate signature for WorldMapArea.. 1s4f6h4c2h, 17 fields |
| 03:08.46 | Simca | foxlit: no, not inside the records |
| 03:09.46 | Semlar | your csv file has this ending in 2 uint32s for some reason |
| 03:10.06 | Semlar | that would exceed the stride length |
| 03:16.00 | [TOM_RUS] | http://paste2.org/j9ZyPfsd |
| 03:16.03 | [TOM_RUS] | seems ok |
| 03:18.39 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/gG18B67M |
| 03:20.30 | Semlar | alright you have a stride length of 44 |
| 03:20.52 | Semlar | but the structure in the file says it has a length of 40, and the last 2 values are only 2 bytes each |
| 03:21.37 | [TOM_RUS] | because packed fields |
| 03:21.50 | [TOM_RUS] | you unpack them, row size grows |
| 03:22.04 | FireSiku | Sigh, my video drivers have crashed and recovered three times in an hour. That's not a good sign :( |
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| 03:39.48 | Semlar | you can pack a 32 bit int into 2 bytes? |
| 03:40.01 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 03:40.05 | mckenziemc | if the byte is 16 bits |
| 03:40.36 | mckenziemc | could even do it in one on some systems! |
| 03:41.56 | mckenziemc | oh nvm, that family's 36-bit words |
| 03:55.56 | Iriel | you can also do it with 8 bit bytes if the 32 bit int is a non-negative value less than 65536. |
| 03:56.18 | Iriel | (I came in to Semlar's last statement so missed the context, but it was amusing enough on its own) |
| 03:56.53 | Semlar | :( |
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| 04:16.41 | kd3 | bleh. got selected for a court case and work is really busy. looks like I've got 2 full-time jobs for the next week or so |
| 04:20.25 | Semlar | don't worry, they pay you like $7 a day to show up |
| 04:21.13 | kd3 | $15, plus $0.34 a mile one-way, so I get all of $15.34 a day for court duty. at least $dayjob has unlimited pto |
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| 04:21.21 | kd3 | not that I'm actually, you know, off... |
| 04:21.45 | Simca | <Iriel> you can also do it with 8 bit bytes if the 32 bit int is a non-negative value less than 65536. |
| 04:21.52 | Simca | this is what they are doing Semlar |
| 04:22.41 | Simca | the packing is automatically done during their serialization process, they just do a 'max(everything_in_this_column)' and determine required packed number of bytes to store it |
| 04:22.43 | kd3 | oh, wow, they're not storing mob health in signed int32s now |
| 04:23.05 | Semlar | how is that not just a 16 bit int |
| 04:23.23 | Simca | they did it this way so that they could use 24-bit ints |
| 04:23.38 | Simca | without having to teach the binary how to use 24-bit ints |
| 04:23.56 | Simca | the 24-bit ints get unpacked into 32-bit ints |
| 04:24.29 | Simca | all of the unsigned fields in the csv are packed like that |
| 04:24.44 | Simca | so anything that says 'uint32' in the csv is probably packed into something smaller in the db2 |
| 04:25.39 | Semlar | okay so those structs are from the db2 meta information from the exe? |
| 04:25.57 | Simca | yes |
| 04:26.37 | Semlar | i just wanted to make sure my numbers weren't somehow wrong |
| 04:27.10 | Simca | nope. personally, i just use the db2 meta information for knowing integer vs float vs string |
| 04:27.31 | Simca | (which only applies to 4-byte fields, there are no <4 byte strings or floats... yet) |
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| 04:28.13 | Semlar | foxlit actually wrote a function to guess the fields which i hacked on to support the shorter ones |
| 04:28.43 | Semlar | do you have the names for the fields somewhere since they changed the order of some of these |
| 04:29.20 | Semlar | i only care about the map and area db2s |
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| 05:02.19 | mckenziemc | packs Semlar into a short. |
| 05:02.32 | Semlar | i like shorts they're comfy and easy to wear |
| 05:02.36 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:02.43 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 05:02.51 | mckenziemc | only one, Semlar |
| 05:03.08 | Semlar | that's more complicated |
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| 05:06.31 | kullervo | Semlar: even in the winter |
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| 05:07.00 | Semlar | we don't have winter here |
| 05:07.27 | kullervo | related, it appears long underwear and shorts are "in" now |
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| 05:36.15 | Simca | kd3: yeah guess they're doubles now instead of 32-bit ints |
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| 05:51.26 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:16.37 | Semlar | unpacks simca |
| 06:19.02 | Semlar | here foxlit http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=314912&postcount=19 |
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| 08:54.37 | NodusCursorius | Simca, that is an incomplete Cvar listing I'm afraid. |
| 08:54.53 | NodusCursorius | pokes Semlar |
| 08:55.03 | NodusCursorius | And that is after I taught him how to obtain the entire list. |
| 08:55.20 | Simca | to be fair, this was 4 days ago, before you taught him |
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| 08:55.33 | Simca | also hi person who i didn't think was in this chat |
| 08:55.49 | NodusCursorius | Hello Simca. Honored to speak with you. |
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| 08:56.12 | Semlar | what |
| 08:56.42 | Simca | i posted to the wowinterface forums the changelist you did a few days ago |
| 08:56.56 | Simca | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314921#post314921 |
| 08:57.06 | Semlar | i have most certainly not generated anything after talking to nodus |
| 08:57.44 | NodusCursorius | No harm done, then. Was moreso worried that my explanation or process was not explained correctly, or simply, enough. |
| 08:58.08 | Semlar | i don't need to generate anything, you already made a list |
| 08:58.41 | Semlar | i don't think cvars change that often |
| 08:58.46 | NodusCursorius | This is less about what gifts people bestow upon you and more about making sure you, and others, can create fire yourselves. |
| 09:00.01 | Semlar | also the extra ones you have aren't really something you can use in-game except things like actioncam |
| 09:00.16 | NodusCursorius | (which is not a cvar) |
| 09:00.18 | Semlar | so they aren't that important to addon authors |
| 09:00.39 | NodusCursorius | I agree. I think the new, safe, method would generate the majority of Cvars that addon authors would want to use. Without the login risk. |
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| 09:01.11 | NodusCursorius | Simca, I have a question. How familiar are you with PE packaging (.rdata, .text, etc)? |
| 09:01.20 | Simca | there is no risk if you're on ptr or beta, blizzard welcomes the challenge |
| 09:01.33 | Semlar | do you have any idea how this dbc program automatically identifies that a column is supposed to be a bit field |
| 09:01.45 | Simca | semlar: looks for bit patterns |
| 09:01.54 | Simca | it's awful, i don't recommend doing it |
| 09:01.57 | NodusCursorius | Simca, risk or not, there are two methods I'm trying to inform people about. The safer one could be used post-beta. |
| 09:02.42 | Simca | true, yeah, i wouldn't touch the live client ever |
| 09:03.14 | VIad | oh we talking about peaking inside the exe? :> |
| 09:03.47 | Simca | nah peaking is something they don't or can't care about, memory reading is OS-level |
| 09:03.48 | NodusCursorius | I'm generally talking about peaking inside of a multitude of exe's, haha. |
| 09:03.59 | Simca | i'm not super familiar with PE packaging, nodus |
| 09:04.09 | NodusCursorius | Alright, thank you. |
| 09:04.25 | Simca | i know people who are wizards at RE, but i am not one of them myself |
| 09:04.35 | NodusCursorius | The current executable of my focus today has two .text segments and this is the first time I've experienced such a thing. |
| 09:05.05 | Simca | i know enough to know that that is strange but not enough to know why it would ever happen |
| 09:05.32 | NodusCursorius | I can only assume it's a binary blob inserted into the executable. |
| 09:08.00 | NodusCursorius | Dealing with executables that are 105 megs in size.. |
| 09:08.10 | VIad | waiting on the day process hacker gets me banned |
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| 09:08.42 | Simca | will never happen |
| 09:08.56 | VIad | it has memory browsing module so unsure how warden reacts :p |
| 09:09.35 | Simca | they really can't watch memory reading without a driver |
| 09:09.46 | Simca | and it's an online game, it's not like the memory should hold any secrets |
| 09:09.57 | Simca | if there is something the player shouldn't know, just don't tell the client |
| 09:09.59 | Predicate_ | They could, however, check your running processes against a blacklist. |
| 09:10.13 | Simca | for the most part, they do that pretty well, and the client only knows what it should know |
| 09:10.33 | VIad | on subject of banning, I wonder if the banned addon dbc actually does anything |
| 09:10.37 | NodusCursorius | Why Process Hacker, VIad? |
| 09:10.46 | Simca | it actually does, VIad |
| 09:10.48 | NodusCursorius | And yes, it does. |
| 09:11.01 | Simca | they changed it recently btw from md5s to strings |
| 09:11.07 | VIad | oh |
| 09:11.08 | NodusCursorius | Contains the MD5 name, version, and a few things to check against. There's tremendous internal code regarding how to handle Banned Addons. |
| 09:11.09 | Simca | and it contains the names and versions of banned addons |
| 09:11.11 | VIad | so now I can finally see what they ban :d |
| 09:11.18 | NodusCursorius | Logging them. Allowing or refusing them. Identifying them. |
| 09:11.33 | Simca | yeah, i didn't say anything for a while because chaud was going to news it but he must have forgot since that was months ago |
| 09:11.37 | VIad | also process hacker because thats what I used first :p |
| 09:11.43 | NodusCursorius | The Addon doesn't even have to be loaded, as it runs a disk IO function to check everything in Addons. |
| 09:11.46 | Simca | lemme dump the list for luls |
| 09:12.06 | VIad | probably mostly botting related helper addons |
| 09:12.08 | NodusCursorius | I have the list but we don't have the hash key for the MD5s. |
| 09:12.16 | VIad | or addons specifically made to work with hacked exes that can run any kind of lua |
| 09:12.38 | Simca | they stopped using md5s nodus |
| 09:12.47 | Simca | about a month ago |
| 09:13.12 | NodusCursorius | What's the new method? |
| 09:13.16 | Simca | strings. |
| 09:13.17 | Simca | lol |
| 09:13.25 | NodusCursorius | whatno |
| 09:14.04 | Predicate | As of when, 7.0? |
| 09:14.24 | VIad | isn't updated :( https://www.townlong-yak.com/wdbc/#f:BannedAddOns.dbc |
| 09:14.25 | Simca | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/198p05-ECzYDjeKo4ZxwHnaUTzj-gk9FAuGyqpdM6fe8/edit?usp=sharing |
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| 09:14.32 | Simca | it's db2 now, everything is db2 |
| 09:14.34 | Simca | there's a dump |
| 09:14.51 | Simca | most of the list is gearscore. |
| 09:14.54 | VIad | lol |
| 09:14.57 | VIad | thats so innocent |
| 09:15.13 | VIad | raidleader/raidmod what ever that does? |
| 09:15.23 | VIad | rotationbuilder sounds like something for bots |
| 09:15.31 | Simca | rotationbuilder is actually on curse.com |
| 09:15.32 | VIad | if you remove the lua restrictions |
| 09:15.34 | VIad | lol? |
| 09:16.22 | Simca | http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/rotation-builder |
| 09:16.27 | VIad | doesn't really sound that dangerous and ban worthy |
| 09:16.38 | VIad | it is still restricted by the secure environment |
| 09:16.44 | VIad | not like it does stuff it shouldnt |
| 09:16.58 | Simca | v1.45 was the last banned version, that was released aug 29, 2011 for version 4.2.0 |
| 09:17.31 | VIad | are empty entries addons or nothing? |
| 09:17.36 | VIad | tons of blank entries |
| 09:17.46 | Simca | i'm not sure, honestly. |
| 09:18.01 | Simca | the 'flag' there is '2' instead of '1' for every blank entry |
| 09:18.15 | VIad | raidleader/raidmod got banned first |
| 09:18.23 | VIad | internal testing or real addons doing harm? :p |
| 09:18.31 | VIad | like vanilla addons when lua was open to do what ever? |
| 09:18.38 | Simca | not sure, if it is that far down in the list it was a vanilla addon probably |
| 09:18.39 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:18.53 | VIad | again, back in those days |
| 09:18.57 | VIad | you had 1 button decursing |
| 09:19.00 | VIad | and 1 button heal raid addons |
| 09:19.12 | tz | I remember a warlock one called lockbox |
| 09:19.28 | tz | that was waaaaaaaaaay back |
| 09:19.36 | VIad | mana efficient heal bots hat healed players with lower ranks dynamically :p |
| 09:19.50 | Simca | google's got nothing on it though, so it could be something internal |
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| 09:25.32 | VIad | oh, with legion beta and addons stuff |
| 09:25.44 | VIad | will we be accompanied by a ui dev for requests/bug reports? |
| 09:26.10 | Predicate | lol |
| 09:26.13 | VIad | I am sure foxlit, nevcairiel, and others that use more of the advanced capabilities of the game will encounter more hard to spot bugs |
| 09:26.38 | VIad | I remember we had that last expansion for a day or two, people managed to get in some feedback directly |
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| 09:28.07 | Predicate | If we do get something like that, I'll be all over it. I've identified a crasher and isolated a test case for cooldown spiral rendering problems. |
| 09:28.42 | VIad | it wasnt exactly announced, think it just happened :p |
| 09:29.09 | VIad | hopefully eu have access to the us forums |
| 09:29.33 | VIad | ui feedback that is actually an issue is easy to fall between the cracks if you post in eu |
| 09:29.42 | VIad | hopefully more chance to reach the right people in us |
| 09:30.14 | Predicate | Don't worry, it falls through the cracks on US too. I reported the crasher 8 years ago and it took almost 5 years to fix, then reappeared in 7.0 :/ |
| 09:30.21 | VIad | :d |
| 09:30.37 | VIad | remember they fixed a minor crash related to the level up alerts |
| 09:30.45 | VIad | if you made it show negative level up, it crashed your game |
| 09:30.50 | VIad | you could also hyperlink those links in chat |
| 09:30.53 | VIad | for some reason |
| 09:31.04 | Predicate | Brilliant. |
| 09:31.14 | VIad | levelup:-1 link wrap all the messages! |
| 09:31.51 | VIad | you can still link anything over bnet chats I think |
| 09:31.59 | VIad | even those client side only hyperlinks |
| 09:32.09 | VIad | thats kind of fun |
| 09:32.14 | karl_w_w | 7.5 hours to google i/o |
| 09:32.27 | karl_w_w | fingers crossed they unveil a new phone |
| 09:33.26 | Gnarfoz | fingers uncrossed it will be shit again |
| 09:36.24 | karl_w_w | makes Gnarfoz cross |
| 09:36.42 | Gnarfoz | don't make me cross! |
| 09:38.14 | VIad | another nexus? |
| 09:38.25 | VIad | they are like apple priced :( |
| 09:38.37 | VIad | can only afford the cheaper phones like galaxy s3 |
| 09:41.01 | VIad | maybe they announce a VR device |
| 09:41.20 | VIad | we need more after all, especially using its own platform and software library |
| 09:41.38 | VIad | the VR reminds me back in the old console war days :p |
| 09:41.52 | VIad | eventually we'll probably end up with a handful og VRs to pick from |
| 09:55.27 | karl_w_w | no battle pass yet VIad? |
| 09:59.20 | VIad | I bought yesterday, karl |
| 09:59.24 | VIad | saw you bought as well |
| 10:02.03 | Gnarfoz | Predicate: I'm sure Cairenn would know where who to forward stuff to |
| 10:02.08 | Gnarfoz | s/where// |
| 10:02.14 | Gnarfoz | also |
| 10:02.20 | Gnarfoz | ~seen guill |
| 10:02.23 | purl | guill <0c81cc2d@WoWUIDev/Blizzard/Guillotine> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 26d 8h 24m 28s ago, saying: 'Simca_: http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/125319/2578991-4640748799-dark-.jpg'. |
| 10:02.23 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 10:02.23 | Gnarfoz | ~seen guillotine |
| 10:02.23 | purl | guillotine <d8940048@WoWUIDev/Blizzard/Guillotine> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 285d 9h 18m 12s ago, saying: 'But using SetFormattedText is still better if you don't need to save the string anyway :)'. |
| 10:02.34 | Semlar | tries to calm gnarfoz down |
| 10:02.39 | Gnarfoz | keep an eye out for that guy, Predicate |
| 10:02.54 | VIad | he will murder your ass with lyrics |
| 10:03.13 | Gnarfoz | it's been a while, hmmm |
| 10:03.14 | Cairenn | What needs to be passed along? |
| 10:03.33 | Gnarfoz | some crashing bug that resurfaced, says Predicate |
| 10:03.37 | Predicate | Oh. A few UI bugs I've isolated, one of which crashes the client. |
| 10:03.55 | Semlar | the live client or the legion client |
| 10:04.00 | Predicate | Legion only |
| 10:04.12 | Semlar | well the beta is designed to crash on any exception |
| 10:04.23 | Predicate | Well, it crashed on live for 3 expansions. |
| 10:04.32 | Predicate | I'm guessing they just made the same mistake again. |
| 10:04.36 | Cairenn | Send me a PM or email with the details, and, if applicable, reproducible steps, please. |
| 10:04.52 | Cairenn | Either Cairenn on WoWI or email cairenn@mmoui.com |
| 10:04.59 | Predicate | Will do, cheers |
| 10:05.00 | Cairenn | and I'll forward them alone |
| 10:05.06 | Cairenn | along* |
| 10:05.43 | NodusCursorius | Cairenn++; |
| 10:05.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:13.00 | VIad | C++ |
| 10:23.25 | karl_w_w | odd VIad, you're not showing on the list of battle pass levels |
| 10:23.31 | karl_w_w | guess it's bugged |
| 10:23.43 | VIad | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 10:23.49 | karl_w_w | only me and pimpmuckl |
| 10:24.07 | VIad | I only saw me and you in my list |
| 10:38.17 | Predicate | Cairenn: PM sent, thanks :) |
| 10:38.31 | Cairenn | Yup, just got it. Will pass it along. Thanks. |
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| 11:18.54 | VIad | hmm. a moving car with a onboard hydrogen to electricity to drive the engine, isn't it silly? since you loose power in the conversion. and if you move the electricity generation to a station, then suddenly you just have an electic car. so why call it hydrogen cars? and if you do generate the power onboard, wouldn't you need a ton more of hydrogen just to get the same amount of range as an electric car? |
| 11:19.22 | VIad | its difficult to find real info on it except the fanboy sites that are pro hydrogen, they just write its awesome and thats it. |
| 11:51.23 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should start with something simple, like Wikipedia |
| 11:51.41 | Gnarfoz | and also maybe suppress all your weird preconceptions before you start |
| 12:02.27 | nevcairiel | the big advantage of hydrogen is that you can just drive up to gas station and fill up, cars with batteries charge for ages |
| 12:02.43 | karl_w_w | well |
| 12:02.43 | nevcairiel | also you can get much more distance in a car |
| 12:02.58 | karl_w_w | teslas can get a full charge in 30 minutes cant they? |
| 12:03.45 | karl_w_w | 80% in 40 minutes |
| 12:05.15 | karl_w_w | I remember like over a decade ago when hydrogen cars were the new hotness |
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| 12:12.19 | mckenziemc | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:19.06 | Fisker | hugs Lopeppeppy more huggingly |
| 12:32.54 | VIad | but if you have a hydrogen car, wouldnt that imply that the car loads on hydrogen, and makes electricity onboard? but then you have the loss because you convert from one source to another |
| 12:34.29 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should check how big a problem that is? |
| 12:34.34 | Gnarfoz | vs. just saying "the loss" |
| 12:35.44 | VIad | conversion loss, and not to mention how good is the process, you kind of need a lot of power there and then, you cant really wait for the hydrogen to become power if its too slow in conversion. - I am poking around google on the subject :) |
| 12:37.05 | NodusCursorius | Isn't that a problem with every method of energy conversion? |
| 12:38.36 | mckenziemc | batteries aren't exactly 100% efficient either |
| 12:38.47 | NodusCursorius | I mean, that's the entire reason why you have a fan on your CPU/GPU, VIad. |
| 12:39.40 | nebula | the problem with fuel cells being they were like 20/30% efficient, which means they were huge, they're much better now, but i think still only around 60%? |
| 12:40.22 | NodusCursorius | Then you have to consider the additional weight of the conversion process and how that impacts consumption. |
| 12:40.53 | NodusCursorius | Why the skepticism over hydrogen specifically? Personal curiosity, only, VIad |
| 12:41.18 | VIad | consider that today, electic car might get plugged in an outlet, charge the battery, then you drive on that. so sure, you have some loss because batteries. but if you have hydrogen>battery>car then you suddenly have yet another link in the chain, namely converting hydrogen to power to store in the battery :p |
| 12:42.01 | mckenziemc | as if battery manufacturing, maintenance, and safety weren't a link in the electric chain |
| 12:42.25 | mckenziemc | (i'm not ignoring hydrogen fuel tanks, just saying electric has a counterpart) |
| 12:42.25 | VIad | atm just talking about power loss when you convert energy from one form to another |
| 12:42.37 | nevcairiel | we only have two kinds of engines that really work well, fossil-fuel burning ones and electric ones, every other source of energy has to use one of those, typically elcitrcal since you cant exactly produce fossil fuels =p |
| 12:42.40 | mckenziemc | like, electrical to chemical? |
| 12:42.41 | VIad | like, arent all hydrogen cars in essence electic cars? |
| 12:43.02 | NodusCursorius | VIad, think about that summarized view and see if that helps things. "plugged in an outlet" - Think of how much conversion is lost along the entire chain it takes to reach that outlet. |
| 12:43.21 | nevcairiel | news break: diesel based trains dont have a diesel engine, they have a generator and an electric engine =p |
| 12:43.47 | VIad | I guess it depends where you live. in norway most of the power comes from water |
| 12:43.51 | VIad | in form of turbines |
| 12:44.22 | VIad | so here you could argue charging your car doesnt burn fossil fuel, unlike maybe in america, kind of defeats the purpose if you burn fuel to charge your electic car |
| 12:44.35 | VIad | might as well just drive with fossil fuel and gain on the power loss in the conversion |
| 12:44.48 | nevcairiel | not every country has the geography to have huge water power plants |
| 12:44.49 | VIad | same goes for that train you mention :p |
| 12:44.51 | NodusCursorius | Not all of America runs on fossil fuel. |
| 12:44.52 | VIad | I know |
| 12:44.58 | VIad | worst cases are like china |
| 12:45.06 | nevcairiel | the reason trains work this way is simple though, its far more efficient |
| 12:45.08 | VIad | love coal and fossil fuels |
| 12:45.32 | nevcairiel | you can run a diesel generator on its ideal conditions, instead of having to deal with changing its speed and what other shit |
| 12:45.39 | mckenziemc | in a moving vehicle, the options for energy conversion are limited |
| 12:45.47 | VIad | on the subject of hydrogen cars, I expected them to actually run on hydrogen, but heard they use it to create power and store that in a battery, so wondered if that was actually efficient at all, or just PR |
| 12:45.52 | mckenziemc | in theory having a common facility increases the options |
| 12:46.07 | mckenziemc | hey VIad |
| 12:46.10 | VIad | yes? |
| 12:46.17 | mckenziemc | i hear gas cars generate electricity and store it in a battery |
| 12:46.23 | nevcairiel | its unlikely that you could actually build an efficient engine running directly on hydrogen, and electric motors have a pretty high efficiency |
| 12:46.27 | VIad | they dont run on that electricity though |
| 12:46.35 | Predicate | Hybrids do. |
| 12:46.43 | NodusCursorius | Predicate++; |
| 12:46.58 | VIad | talking about hydrogen now, not fossil/electric cars |
| 12:47.12 | NodusCursorius | Hydrogen cars use actual hydrogen combustion engines, VIad. |
| 12:47.17 | Predicate | Yes, but hydrogen cars are essentially hybrids the same way gasoline hybrids are. |
| 12:47.19 | NodusCursorius | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle#Internal_combustion_vehicle |
| 12:47.22 | mckenziemc | btw Viad, this kind of speculation-to-conclusion conversion is not very efficient |
| 12:47.29 | VIad | no I know |
| 12:47.42 | Predicate | They have all the same advantages, including faster fueling compared to plug-in electric cars. |
| 12:47.44 | VIad | it was difficult to find much data on conversion efficiency |
| 12:47.51 | VIad | hydrogen>power that is |
| 12:47.58 | nevcairiel | NodusCursorius: those are pretty rare though, most just use fuel cells since its easier |
| 12:48.02 | nebula | NodusCursorius: that point is moot because car being developed are fuel cell based |
| 12:48.24 | NodusCursorius | nebula, right - but I'm attempting to work the hydrogen concept from the ground up, for him. |
| 12:48.37 | NodusCursorius | An effort to explain the basics and have him see perspective data. |
| 12:48.44 | nevcairiel | dont bother, he never will |
| 12:48.47 | nebula | why? it's pointless |
| 12:49.02 | NodusCursorius | Because I don't mind satisfying curiosity. We all learn. |
| 12:49.28 | NodusCursorius | VIad, according to wikipedia the modern-day water turbines have a 92% efficiency rating. |
| 12:49.48 | NodusCursorius | How much is lost in transfer for your city infrastructure is unknown to me. |
| 12:50.06 | VIad | atm talking about the hydrogen cars that convert on board |
| 12:50.31 | VIad | you put in hydrogen in the tank, and it turns that into power as you drive |
| 12:50.42 | NodusCursorius | So what I said, ICVs instead of fuel cells. |
| 12:50.43 | VIad | probably stores in some battery on board as well |
| 12:50.48 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:50.59 | VIad | but are these small scale conversion systems as efficient as large infrastructure? |
| 12:51.11 | Predicate | Not generally, but they do have advantages |
| 12:51.35 | Predicate | It only takes a couple minutes to refill your hydrogen tank, compared to charging up your battery. |
| 12:51.35 | NodusCursorius | The better question is "where is this small scale conversion more efficiency than the large infrastructure?" |
| 12:51.46 | NodusCursorius | s/efficiency/efficient |
| 12:52.38 | NodusCursorius | Assuming the worst and that a Hydrogen-based ICV is less efficient than all other methods, in every location, there's still the design for emission reduction. |
| 12:52.48 | VIad | yeah, that is what is interesting to find out. Predicate: in that scenario, you need a system that can efficiently turn that into power. trying to find info on that. |
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| 12:52.56 | mckenziemc | i suppose we're not likely to trust electric car battery exchanges the way we do propane tank exchanges |
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| 12:53.06 | mckenziemc | granted, both could be a safety risk :o |
| 12:53.31 | NodusCursorius | I'd almost say most would find the emission difference in a hydrogen ICV to be the more important factor, over conversion ratios. |
| 12:53.36 | NodusCursorius | But this is not my field, in any way. |
| 12:53.38 | Predicate | "The well-to-wheel efficiency for hydrogen is less than 25%. A study sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy said in 2004 that the well-to-wheel efficiency of gasoline or diesel powered vehicles is even less." |
| 12:54.09 | nevcairiel | the big problem with hydrogen efficiency is not what happens in the cars but the production of hydrogen |
| 12:54.52 | NodusCursorius | An area I have no familiarity with. |
| 12:55.06 | Predicate | Hence the use of well-to-wheel as a metric. |
| 12:55.21 | NodusCursorius | True. |
| 12:55.31 | mckenziemc | equips VIad's car with solar panels and bicycle pedals. |
| 12:55.56 | Predicate | It's not great, but it's still a bit better than fossil fuels. It's just expensive to produce, and its lower density makes capacity more of an issue. |
| 12:56.29 | NodusCursorius | Then there's the costs outweighing the benefits, or not, regarding emission changes (water). |
| 12:57.00 | VIad | if we want to move away from fossil fuels, we need ways to make power and have as little as conversion needed to get the most out of it, that includes the whole process, source of power and delivery included |
| 12:57.00 | Predicate | Of course, if you live somewhere that primarily uses non-fossil-fuel sources to power the electric grid, a pure electric vehicle will be your best bet for overall efficiency. |
| 12:57.21 | VIad | sun has its place for housing probably, maybe not cars |
| 12:57.29 | VIad | solar panels* |
| 12:57.34 | NodusCursorius | VIad, the issue isn't what you state - I think. Perhaps more about location. |
| 12:58.06 | VIad | like in norway, with abundance of hydro power plants and clean produced energy, electric cars might be more marketable here |
| 12:58.12 | NodusCursorius | I'd cautiously say that most non-fossil fuel solutions are incredibly location-dependant. |
| 12:58.12 | VIad | only issue is charge times and distances |
| 12:58.24 | mckenziemc | "we need ways to make power and have as little as conversion needed to get the most out of it" former yes, latter depends |
| 12:58.26 | Predicate | Right. Hydrogen cars solve a problem you don't have where you live. But then again, so do gasoline and diesel. |
| 12:58.34 | nevcairiel | nuclear power plants work everywhere, but people are apparently afraid of them now |
| 12:58.48 | NodusCursorius | By now you mean for over half a decade, right? |
| 12:58.49 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 12:59.06 | NodusCursorius | s/decade/century/ |
| 12:59.10 | VIad | its difficult to read things about new technology from neutral sources. often you find either someone for or against, writing in that tone |
| 12:59.24 | NodusCursorius | VIad, then why not reference wikipedia? |
| 12:59.56 | Predicate | The reason people are caught up in the hydrogen hype is that a good number of them are writing from an American perspective. Most of the US is running on coal, diesel, etc., and hydrogen is definitely a step up from that. |
| 12:59.56 | nevcairiel | those people are largely silly though, its often the same group that advocates against coal fired plants because muh emissions, but if their power goes out they are among the crowd moaning |
| 12:59.58 | mckenziemc | teaches VIad about dithering. |
| 13:00.01 | NodusCursorius | I'm going to have to remove my trailing / just to avoid the bot. |
| 13:00.03 | nevcairiel | sun and wind isnt enough to power a country =p |
| 13:00.24 | nevcairiel | and hydro power plants require geography thats not present everywhere |
| 13:00.37 | mckenziemc | well sun is, just not dynamically |
| 13:00.51 | mckenziemc | given the chain of events that led to fossil fuels :p |
| 13:00.59 | NodusCursorius | VIad, Predicate is spot on. Keeping in mind just how large the US is, landmass wise, the transportation or conversion of energy over the needed distances poses very real issues. |
| 13:01.10 | VIad | jupp |
| 13:01.38 | NodusCursorius | Would Hydrogen cars be an ideal solution for your country? Unlikely, from what little you've shared with me. |
| 13:02.03 | NodusCursorius | But we are not a species that designs one solution that meets all possible use cases. |
| 13:02.04 | VIad | I didnt really try to talk about that |
| 13:02.28 | Predicate | No, but your perspective is biased because of the system you're used to, where you live. |
| 13:02.30 | VIad | just the onboard hydrogen to power conversion, and if the power is then kept in a battery or just used straight in the engine on demand |
| 13:02.49 | Predicate | That conversion is worse than what you're used to, but it's better than what most Americans are getting. |
| 13:03.22 | NodusCursorius | Seattle would suffer from a solar panel solution. Texas would suffer from a water turbine solution. |
| 13:03.28 | NodusCursorius | etc |
| 13:03.33 | VIad | I don't disagree with anything said here :p |
| 13:03.43 | VIad | good to hear other peoples perspectives |
| 13:04.07 | mckenziemc | california would suffer from a water-consuming solution! |
| 13:04.08 | NodusCursorius | Thank you for being curious. Learning is wonderful to see, especially when it means I gain knowledge too. |
| 13:04.26 | Predicate | California would ban hydrogen for being a chemical, anyway :P |
| 13:04.32 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 13:04.42 | NodusCursorius | For what it is worth: I have no dog in this fight. I don't understand the concepts or data well enough to be for or against hydrogen solutions. |
| 13:04.47 | VIad | usually I get shot down quite quickly if I am the only one asking questions that apparently everyone else is smart enough to know the answers to :p |
| 13:04.51 | mckenziemc | known by the State of California to cause gas |
| 13:04.55 | nevcairiel | like said before, electric motors are very efficient, so much so that converting to electricity before in comparison to driving another engine with the original fuel directly is often better, as youi can then drive the generator at ideal load, which a direct engine cannot afford since it needs to control the speed |
| 13:05.11 | VIad | and I suck at formulating myself so often, I am sure, people misunderstand me |
| 13:05.23 | NodusCursorius | VIad, echo chambers are dangerous to intellect. Sometimes people just forget how different other landmasses can be. |
| 13:05.26 | Torhal | I'm sure they just can't get past your nick. |
| 13:05.55 | mckenziemc | nevcairiel: but the issue becomes the storage, right? |
| 13:06.09 | mckenziemc | on-vehicle |
| 13:06.21 | NodusCursorius | mckenziemc, you're thinking about weight, correct? |
| 13:06.29 | nevcairiel | that depends what you are storing, batteries are of course bulky and heavy |
| 13:06.44 | VIad | /me appologizes to Torhal for crappy nickname and emoting capabilities. |
| 13:06.48 | nevcairiel | hydrogen tanks are bulky but not quite as heavy |
| 13:07.28 | Predicate | Pedals are much lighter and less bulky, but suboptimal for many uses. |
| 13:07.43 | mckenziemc | multiple factors, NodusCursorius |
| 13:08.11 | mckenziemc | point being electric-only does really well in one regard, but "moves" the concern toward other limiting factors |
| 13:08.32 | nevcairiel | of course energy density of storage is a big concern |
| 13:09.40 | Predicate | VIad: another tidbit that you might find interesting to note regarding efficiency is that the vast majority of our current hydrogen production is used for processing fossil fuels, currently. |
| 13:10.14 | VIad | I didn't know |
| 13:10.18 | NodusCursorius | I didn't either. |
| 13:10.23 | nevcairiel | which brings me back to the train example from earlier, where this is not a problem at all sicne those things are huge and actually require a certain weight to have enough grip to actually get the thing moving, so they use a huuuge electric generator to drive electric motors on the wheels, which is nice and efficient since these generators just work better then plain combustion engines |
| 13:10.54 | nevcairiel | but a car could never do that, because it would be too big |
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| 13:18.44 | mckenziemc | i wonder how efficient lichen are for a given surface area :o |
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| 13:24.37 | VIad | mckenziemc: come watch the international 2016 with me and karl_w_w |
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| 13:25.11 | mckenziemc | i have a Biology Lab Final 2016 |
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| 13:41.34 | NodusCursorius | Anyone familiar with HAVOK scripting? |
| 13:42.14 | NodusCursorius | Specifically LuaQ decompiling. |
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| 13:51.12 | karl_w_w | I'm familiar with creating havok when I script, but I'm not sure that's what you're after. |
| 13:51.53 | NodusCursorius | Hiyoooooo |
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| 14:35.16 | foxlit | can git diff output gnu diff's A{a,c,d}B syntax? |
| 14:46.50 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what that means |
| 14:51.01 | Kesava | i suspect you could set gnu diff as the difftool and use that |
| 14:51.06 | Kesava | if that would work for you |
| 14:53.23 | foxlit | no, the point was to use git's diff algorithm. |
| 14:53.38 | nevcairiel | what does that syntax look like |
| 14:57.59 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/HPX6UHkP |
| 14:58.20 | nevcairiel | ew, the not-unified style |
| 15:05.51 | foxlit | I kind of wanted the transformation instructions, not the line content. |
| 15:07.22 | foxlit | Anyhow, the answer seems to be "no, but use -U0 to drop the context lines, which forces the chunks to become local delete/insert operations" |
| 15:16.30 | VIad | any recommendations for a wireless headset that charges with usb? |
| 15:16.50 | VIad | using steelseries siberia v2 for many years, was curious to try something else |
| 15:16.52 | Zeldo | Not the one I have at home |
| 15:16.57 | Zeldo | I donât remember the name though xD |
| 15:17.06 | Ironii | logitech g933 |
| 15:17.13 | Ironii | and hope that logitech will release a solid software soon... |
| 15:17.46 | VIad | jesus its expensive |
| 15:17.59 | Ironii | but it has a few macro buttons, quite nice ;P |
| 15:18.01 | Zeldo | Wireless headsets are not cheap |
| 15:18.01 | VIad | is it worth it? |
| 15:18.04 | Ironii | meh, g930 is a bit cheaper |
| 15:18.09 | VIad | like sound quality wise |
| 15:18.13 | Zeldo | At least wireless headsets that are not shit |
| 15:18.13 | VIad | for music and such too |
| 15:18.50 | kullervo | why a wireless headset |
| 15:19.27 | Ironii | i think they are, i have used g930 for 4(?) years and im happy with them, but i only use them mainly for gaming |
| 15:19.28 | Zeldo | So the dog canât eat the wires? :D |
| 15:19.35 | Predicate | Because sometimes you want to get up for a snack without decapitating yourself? |
| 15:19.52 | Zeldo | I like being in a convo and being able to leave my desk |
| 15:19.56 | VIad | want to pee + talk on teamspeak |
| 15:20.18 | foxlit | PTT button on headphones? |
| 15:20.32 | VIad | so a noise increasement module is mandatory |
| 15:20.35 | Predicate | You can just carry your wireless mouse or keyboard, nbd |
| 15:20.42 | Ironii | g930(and g933) is great for gaming becouse you can use push to talk from the headset, accept summons, ress etc |
| 15:21.58 | Ironii | but the current logitech gaming software is crap for the headsets ;/, imo its the only real issue with g930/3 |
| 15:22.11 | Ironii | well, for any g* headset |
| 15:22.14 | VIad | Ironii: do I need the software |
| 15:22.19 | VIad | or does the driver alone make it work? |
| 15:22.26 | VIad | I find logitech software bloated |
| 15:22.32 | VIad | often tons of stuff I dont need |
| 15:22.39 | VIad | like, fine, if I want these macro buttons to work :p |
| 15:22.39 | Predicate | That's been the problem with every Logitech product everywhere...the hardware is great, if you can tolerate the driver software. |
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| 15:22.54 | Ironii | you can't use any of the buttons or surround sound without the software |
| 15:22.58 | VIad | like last I used logitech keyboard I used only drivers and the macro buttons didnt work but fuck those |
| 15:23.08 | VIad | but it still works without? good |
| 15:23.30 | Ironii | if you are not going to use the buttons, you should buy something else |
| 15:24.20 | VIad | tbh I cant find something that is nice like the logitech |
| 15:24.23 | VIad | within the price range |
| 15:24.28 | nevcairiel | if your reason for g930 is great is that you can be afk while doing things, i find that a bit ... limited =p |
| 15:24.31 | VIad | of $240 |
| 15:25.05 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:25.06 | nevcairiel | i've seen so many people complain about the crappy logitech software, its not something i would even consider |
| 15:25.17 | Ironii | nevcairiel why buy a headset with macro buttons and surround sound if you are not going to use it :) |
| 15:25.32 | Stanzilla | I only ever used their mice and keyboards and the software was fine for that |
| 15:25.39 | Stanzilla | I heard people having problems with the headsets though |
| 15:25.47 | nevcairiel | i have a logitech mouse and its fine, but headset people complain to no end |
| 15:25.53 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 15:26.03 | Ironii | yea, for some reason the software has been shit for a while now for G* headsets |
| 15:26.14 | VIad | g* anything I've used |
| 15:28.01 | Ironii | there was a bug that shutdown the headset like on every other new update, everyone had to manually change the autoshutdown timer from the xml file becouse of it, so annoying |
| 15:28.14 | VIad | can you set the xml to readonly? :p |
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| 15:28.37 | VIad | or make a junction and set the source to readonly |
| 15:28.40 | VIad | maybe it can be fooled! |
| 15:30.16 | VIad | wow question; can I make a level 1 char anywhere? |
| 15:30.20 | VIad | legion beta |
| 15:30.25 | nevcairiel | no |
| 15:30.30 | nevcairiel | all chars are magically 100 |
| 15:30.33 | VIad | damn |
| 15:31.10 | VIad | so how do we test the low level experience? :p |
| 15:31.15 | VIad | they were going to alter it right? |
| 15:32.05 | nevcairiel | there are no changes that i'm aware of |
| 15:33.06 | Ironii | mhh, is it a bad idea to use C_Timer.NewTicker() for a looping 0.2 sec timer ? ;P |
| 15:33.07 | VIad | they said about making it slower again |
| 15:33.11 | Ironii | or should i just use OnUpdate |
| 15:33.21 | VIad | combat times should be longer even with heirlooms, and skip less of the areas, e.g. |
| 15:33.35 | VIad | Ironii: good question |
| 15:33.46 | VIad | Semlar: has some data on that |
| 15:34.01 | nevcairiel | i would probably go with OnUpdate on short recurring timers like that |
| 15:36.31 | Ironii | hmph :( |
| 15:36.46 | VIad | btw "Anyone who purchases a ticket at select theaters will receive a free digital copy of World of Warcraft while supplies last." |
| 15:36.59 | VIad | "digital copy <snip> while supplies last" |
| 15:37.00 | VIad | :D |
| 15:37.17 | Ironii | ah well, i guess its finally time to check how to make timers with OnUpdate...i have been avoiding it x) |
| 15:37.23 | Fisker | lold |
| 15:37.28 | foxlit | no, screw that, use C_Timer. |
| 15:37.30 | VIad | I guess there is a technical limit to how many people that can actually play wow, can't deny that. |
| 15:38.41 | VIad | probably giving the cinema a fixed set of serial keys to hand out |
| 15:38.56 | nevcairiel | digital give aways generally also have limits, not because the product is limited, but because they need to define numbers in contracts with partners |
| 15:39.35 | Predicate | nevcairiel, professional Fun Ruiner. |
| 15:39.44 | VIad | could just make wow free to all who register within the release week |
| 15:39.49 | VIad | shrug |
| 15:39.52 | VIad | anyway its PR |
| 15:40.34 | nevcairiel | its also only in select cinemas, so equal PR for the cinemas =p |
| 15:40.56 | VIad | :d |
| 15:41.05 | VIad | no norway |
| 15:41.06 | VIad | ^^ |
| 15:41.15 | VIad | 5 mil people is like a small hilbilly town in texas |
| 15:41.19 | VIad | #notworthit |
| 15:41.31 | VIad | wonder if we even get banners plastered over downtown |
| 15:42.45 | nevcairiel | for the movie? probably as much as any other movie |
| 15:43.09 | VIad | star wars for example had a lot of props in the largest cinema in oslo, and a lot of posters |
| 15:43.14 | VIad | not every movie studio does that |
| 15:43.24 | VIad | warcraft sounds like a big movie like that, hype, PR, what not |
| 15:43.29 | VIad | would assume they go the extra mile |
| 15:48.35 | VIad | I've kept away from all PR material |
| 15:48.42 | VIad | I dont want to be biased or have expectations |
| 15:48.56 | VIad | think there is too much previews for wow :p |
| 15:49.00 | VIad | warcraft movie* |
| 15:49.05 | VIad | I am usually anti-trailer person |
| 15:50.27 | VIad | btw shame blizz still havent made a better system for loot messages, imo this is spammy: http://ss.bool.no/capture_1463586604.png |
| 15:51.41 | VIad | not saying this is the best way to do it, but working on rewriting miniloot for legion atm http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/73/236/ce69caa19262f48c448c6fc4ae1243f2.png |
| 15:52.20 | VIad | if someone knows of something related to countering the loot spam in chat, please say something. I wonder what people have made. |
| 15:52.56 | Kesava | uh, i have 2 chat frames. one is spam (say and channels) the other is for party, guild, etc |
| 15:53.00 | Kesava | that works for me. |
| 15:53.16 | nevcairiel | i just dont have any channels |
| 15:53.46 | nevcairiel | the only time loot spam is mildly annoying is if someone puts down a blingtron in a raid |
| 15:57.55 | VIad | moom... dalaran phase is bugged again |
| 16:00.42 | VIad | at least as a DH I can glide off dalaran to the nearest FP :p |
| 16:01.12 | nevcairiel | as a druid i can just teleport to my class hall |
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| 16:01.20 | nevcairiel | well close to it anyway, into the dreamway |
| 16:04.58 | VIad | is it in valshara? |
| 16:06.54 | VIad | sadly no teleport to my classhall |
| 16:07.00 | VIad | DH got to use HS to dalaran :( |
| 16:07.36 | VIad | saw warriors got a teleport to their class hall, so them, druid, monk, dk, 4 classes with class halls teleports |
| 16:07.43 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 16:07.47 | Stanzilla | warriors got tanked |
| 16:08.24 | VIad | damn |
| 16:08.42 | VIad | I play dk/druid and maybe dh tank, so I am safe for now |
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| 16:22.21 | Ironii | VIad does monks have dummys on their class hall?= |
| 16:22.31 | VIad | mm |
| 16:22.32 | VIad | think so |
| 16:22.35 | VIad | cant remember |
| 16:22.52 | Ironii | can't even use my own Death Gate atm becouse it fades in to another phase >.< |
| 16:26.35 | VIad | :DDD |
| 16:26.42 | VIad | amazing |
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| 16:30.54 | NodusCursorius | begins to diff two files that are ~1 gig each |
| 16:30.59 | NodusCursorius | This is fine. We're all fine. |
| 16:33.26 | Zeldo | diffs NodusCursorius |
| 16:33.41 | VIad | NodusCursorius: binary diff please |
| 16:34.18 | NodusCursorius | That is what I am doing, yes! |
| 16:34.52 | Torhal | performs a bisecting merge on Zeldo and Stanzilla. |
| 16:34.58 | Torhal | walks away to get coffee. |
| 16:39.20 | VIad | talking about headset. my siberia v2 started to act weird, like any siberia I have owned. randomly the volume control starts to fail the right ear piece |
| 16:39.31 | VIad | I swear ear pieces stop working for me like once every half year |
| 16:39.40 | VIad | this is exeptionally weird since I just got it :/ |
| 16:40.01 | VIad | the volume control at the right position stops the right side speaker -_- |
| 16:41.26 | Ressy | VIad: I experience that too. If you change the volume even slightly it'll kick in again. |
| 16:41.33 | VIad | yes |
| 16:41.36 | VIad | but its a sign of it dying |
| 16:41.42 | VIad | will probably break soon |
| 16:41.54 | Ressy | Mine's been like that since I got it at Blizzcon in Nov 2014 |
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| 17:18.58 | Semlar | good news foxlit, they're rounding GetTime() on the beta client so it's quite possible to get 2 values that are the same now |
| 17:21.01 | Torhal | :/ |
| 17:22.30 | nevcairiel | rounding to what granularity |
| 17:23.08 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/yOa7EBL.gif |
| 17:23.34 | Predicate | That's awful. |
| 17:27.14 | foxlit | I-It's not like I wanted to use that granularity or anything! |
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| 17:27.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guill] by ChanServ |
| 17:28.58 | Semlar | tackles guill |
| 17:29.23 | Fisker | Don't do it |
| 17:29.54 | Semlar | :( |
| 17:30.41 | Semlar | what did you do to GetTime() Guill |
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| 17:33.29 | Fisker | Rude |
| 17:33.46 | Fisker | I didn't see you run svn blame |
| 17:33.50 | Fisker | lolo |
| 17:34.32 | Guill | Semlar: What changed about it? |
| 17:34.43 | nevcairiel | it seems .. rounded |
| 17:34.44 | Semlar | it's being rounded http://i.imgur.com/yOa7EBL.gif |
| 17:35.45 | Guill | Semlar: Maybe you're just running at exactly 32 frames per second |
| 17:36.03 | Semlar | 2 frames shouldn't have the same time stamp! |
| 17:36.25 | Torhal | steals Semlar's magic. |
| 17:36.28 | Guill | Any chance you were traveling near the speed of light while testing this? |
| 17:36.32 | nevcairiel | we had some other topic the other day, but i forgot what it was, i should write this down |
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| 17:38.06 | nevcairiel | oh right, external file loading is rather wonky, sounds entirely broken and fonts being weird |
| 17:39.00 | foxlit | https://events.google.com/io2016/ is livestreaming magic. |
| 17:40.03 | Semlar | allo? |
| 17:40.31 | Semlar | 'allo foxlit |
| 17:43.20 | karl_w_w | nothing's happening, foxlit? |
| 17:44.18 | karl_w_w | oh no, it just doesn't work in most browsers |
| 17:44.26 | Semlar | works in firefox best browser |
| 17:44.35 | Gethe | Guill: the new Line widget type dosn't seem to work when made with lua http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23893-LineTest.html |
| 17:44.43 | karl_w_w | cos you know, embedding a youtube video is a challenge for the guys at google |
| 17:44.48 | Torhal | Guill: Of course he wasn't; Semlar isn't anything resembling relativistic. |
| 17:45.07 | Torhal | Made with Lua (tm) |
| 17:45.36 | Gethe | :O |
| 17:46.21 | NodusCursorius | All of you. A pack of hungry dogs. Not an ounce of respect to the hand that feeds you. |
| 17:46.26 | NodusCursorius | Where's your manners?! |
| 17:46.32 | Torhal | baleets NodusCursorius. |
| 17:46.58 | NodusCursorius | Guill, good to see you again. Thanks for stopping by. I love what you've done to your hair - is that your natural colour? Amazing, brings out your stunning eyes. |
| 17:47.00 | foxlit | are, manners are plural. |
| 17:47.26 | NodusCursorius | Manners is an array. |
| 17:48.11 | Semlar | oh god it really is spelled allo |
| 17:48.31 | Guill | Gathe: Thanks! Got a bug entered and insulted the person responsible |
| 17:48.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:48.43 | Gethe | :D |
| 17:48.59 | Torhal | Allo, Semlar! |
| 17:49.03 | nevcairiel | I should produce a test app for my sound and font trouble as well |
| 17:49.03 | Gethe | <3 |
| 17:49.06 | nevcairiel | that seems to get results |
| 17:49.25 | Torhal | Would get faster results if foxlit did it; he'd break the engine in the process. |
| 17:49.44 | Semlar | Guill: http://pastebin.com/uaMV1KST calling SetOrder on a control point in an animation crashes the game |
| 17:49.58 | karl_w_w | who's there? |
| 17:50.32 | foxlit | "CHEAP VIAGRA" signs. |
| 17:51.12 | mikma | CHEAP!?!? HOW CHEAP?! |
| 17:52.32 | Torhal | Cheep? |
| 17:52.42 | Ressy | You want all those emails I get? I have no need for them. |
| 17:52.51 | Semlar | proactively monitors torhal |
| 17:53.21 | Torhal | replenishes Semlar's supply of Proactiv. |
| 17:53.41 | Guill | BTW guys, either TSquared or I read the Legion forums on WoWInterface every day. If you post these bugs there, we'll see them! |
| 17:53.59 | Torhal | I don't think Cairenn wants bugs on her forums. |
| 17:54.05 | Torhal | They're a pain to clean up. |
| 17:54.10 | Semlar | but then we don't get to enjoy your presence |
| 17:54.14 | Kesava | yay Guill :D |
| 17:54.20 | Gethe | I did! |
| 17:54.27 | Gnarfoz | you can appreciate we don't have /that/ much trust in such assurances, after multiple expansions of game-breaking bugs being ignored during alpha/beta tests? :p |
| 17:54.46 | Semlar | tries to calm Gnarfoz down |
| 17:54.52 | Gnarfoz | (granted, not many of them were UI related ^^_ |
| 17:54.53 | Gnarfoz | ) |
| 17:54.55 | Torhal | hides Gnarfoz under the rug. |
| 17:55.03 | Gnarfoz | am I... rugged, now? |
| 17:55.09 | Torhal | :O |
| 17:55.10 | Predicate | Gnarfoz: he said they'd see them, not fix them ;) |
| 17:55.22 | Gnarfoz | Predicate: technically correct, the best kind of correct |
| 17:55.36 | Fisker | Man Guill if I got paid to read forums all day |
| 17:55.41 | nevcairiel | Guill: so before i start to create a test case for external sound and font files being wonky, i dont suppose there is fixes for that already done? :) |
| 17:55.42 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 17:55.50 | Torhal | You're assuming he gets paid. |
| 17:56.03 | Ressy | smacks Gnarfoz & Predicate |
| 17:56.24 | Ressy | Guill doesn't have to be awesome and be in here giving us assurances. |
| 17:56.37 | Predicate | Oi, what did I do? |
| 17:56.44 | Fisker | I'm not even assuming anything |
| 17:56.48 | Semlar | he does if we don't let him leave |
| 17:57.22 | Torhal | staples Semlar to the channel. |
| 17:57.41 | Guill | nevcairiel: Was just talking about that actually! Definitely a fix for font file in the next build. I would guess it's the same issue as sound files. |
| 17:57.52 | nevcairiel | fonts kinda work |
| 17:57.58 | nevcairiel | they load bot somehow override each other |
| 17:58.02 | nevcairiel | sounds dont seem to load at all |
| 17:58.06 | Guill | nevcairiel: Yeah, the first one works, but the others don't |
| 17:58.23 | Guill | nevcairiel: Someone messed up on the flags for loading them, so they all hashed to the same value -- 0 :P |
| 17:58.33 | nevcairiel | will test with the next build before complaining again then, thanks! |
| 17:58.59 | nevcairiel | (monospace fonts for dev addons just dont look very sexy on unit frames) |
| 17:59.07 | Semlar | Guill how come you took our GetModel function |
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| 17:59.27 | karl_w_w | everybody submit Nougat so we can force the world to learn how to pronounce it |
| 17:59.34 | karl_w_w | android.com/n |
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| 18:00.45 | Kesava | noo-gatt? |
| 18:01.04 | Kesava | now gatt |
| 18:02.27 | Ressy | I submitted Neapolitan |
| 18:02.42 | Guill | Semlar: It was an idea that came up at our weekly "how do we upset AddOn authors" meeting. Seems like it was one of our better ones! |
| 18:02.48 | Semlar | i knew it |
| 18:02.56 | Ressy | snorts |
| 18:03.08 | nevcairiel | upsetting Semlar isnt hard |
| 18:03.08 | Guill | Semlar: For real though, we're trying to get rid of all filenames and just use file IDs internally. |
| 18:03.16 | nevcairiel | you could just remove mushroom11 from the game and he would suicide |
| 18:03.21 | Semlar | i might |
| 18:04.14 | Predicate | He'd probably just write up some absurd sequence of :SetTexCoords() that stitched together a mosaic of pixels to form the mushroom icon. |
| 18:04.34 | NodusCursorius | Internal fileIDs means there's a tool being used for development to correlate things. |
| 18:04.52 | Semlar | i would make 4000 textures to rebuild it from pixels |
| 18:04.53 | NodusCursorius | "Tom, hey tom. Can you change the gradient on 1166612?" |
| 18:06.09 | Semlar | i think they're taking our file names so we don't know what anything is |
| 18:06.34 | Predicate | Is that why they stole our GlobalStrings :( |
| 18:06.50 | Guill | GlobalStrings isn't stolen. It's just improved! |
| 18:06.56 | Semlar | it's probably faster as a db2 file |
| 18:07.09 | Guill | Nah. But it's much easier to hotfix |
| 18:07.23 | Semlar | for patching? |
| 18:07.46 | Semlar | does that mean you can stream changes for it |
| 18:08.12 | Guill | Before now, if there was a bug in a globalstring, we fixed it by replacing the executable with one that injected Lua to change the string :P Now, we can just use the existing data hotfix pipeline |
| 18:08.37 | NodusCursorius | Guill++; |
| 18:08.42 | Predicate | I'm not sure if I'm more scared of the old way or the new way. |
| 18:09.12 | Guill | Should definitely be the old way. The new way is just loading from a DBC and pushing those values as globals to Lua on startup |
| 18:09.19 | Guill | Well, db2 |
| 18:10.38 | Guill | You guys should have seen what we did to 'hotfix' Lua data before we could easily include Lua changes in micropatches. Plenty of times we had C++ do hooksecurefunc to append data to a function :P |
| 18:10.52 | Semlar | ._. |
| 18:10.56 | Predicate | brb, crying |
| 18:12.49 | Predicate | Guill: is there any chance of getting cursor API on the radar? Even if we could just apply a cursor "set" like with minimap blips, that would open up a lot of options... |
| 18:13.21 | Fisker | Haha wow Guill |
| 18:13.35 | Unkle | Guill++, entire UI team++ |
| 18:14.07 | Fisker | Don't copy him Unkle |
| 18:15.07 | Unkle | writes Guill out to a Kafka topic. |
| 18:15.45 | Fisker | A Kafka what? |
| 18:15.57 | Fisker | Hey Unkle got any Blizzcon tickets? |
| 18:16.03 | Guill | Predicate: The issue is that our "radar" is a priority queue that has items added faster than they're removed. So yeah, I'd love to add something like that, but we'll probably get to it shortly after the heat-death of the universe :( |
| 18:16.07 | Unkle | I've spent the last 3 days banging out data manipulation via distributed logging systems - specifically Kafka. |
| 18:16.07 | Fisker | I can take yours if you don't need them |
| 18:16.36 | Guill | Predicate: Unless it's functionality related to something needed by a new feature and I can sneak it in while I'm in the code anyway |
| 18:16.42 | NodusCursorius | Guill, that was a surprising degree of honesty. Thank you. |
| 18:16.49 | Unkle | Sorry Fisker, I had to resort to the age-old tactic of getting a friend to buy my ticket because I didn't make it through the queue - both times. |
| 18:16.56 | Predicate | Guill: About what I figured. Just hoping someone might take interest in cursors and run with it :) |
| 18:17.02 | Fisker | Damn Unkle |
| 18:17.07 | Fisker | But why two times? |
| 18:17.18 | Unkle | Because there were two ticket releases? |
| 18:17.22 | Guill | Predicate: I'll definitely keep it in mind if I end up working in the cursor code in the future, but I don't know when that'd be |
| 18:17.34 | Predicate | Cheers, much appreciated |
| 18:17.40 | Fisker | But you only need one ticket? |
| 18:17.59 | Semlar | Guill: can the game only spawn 30 nameplates now |
| 18:18.36 | Semlar | since there are only 30 "nameplate" unit ids |
| 18:19.01 | Semlar | and what happens when you have more than 30 units on screen |
| 18:19.13 | Cairenn | snickers at Torhal |
| 18:19.24 | Predicate | One of them is randomly sacrificed and a doomguard spawns. |
| 18:19.29 | Fisker | Mars at Cairenn |
| 18:19.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:21.40 | Guill | Semlar: It looks like once there are 30 nameplates, we just stop making anymore |
| 18:21.54 | Semlar | you don't prioritize units or anything |
| 18:22.06 | Semlar | it just picks a new one when a nameplate gets recycled? |
| 18:22.11 | Guill | Not that I see, but I could be missing something |
| 18:24.09 | Semlar | i guess it's not possible to dynamically create more unit ids |
| 18:25.06 | Semlar | it wouldn't be that difficult to exceed 30 nameplates with friendly nameplates enabled |
| 18:26.29 | Unkle | Cairenn: https://i.imgur.com/Az51GVL.gifv - babby pug eating it's way out of a watermelon. |
| 18:26.55 | karl_w_w | his phone was TURNED OFF D: |
| 18:26.56 | Semlar | i'd like to be able to style friendly names and just not have them be clickable while you're in a raid |
| 18:26.59 | karl_w_w | the future! |
| 18:27.10 | Cairenn | Unkle: rofl |
| 18:27.14 | karl_w_w | I can use my watch when my phone isn't on, what amazing technology |
| 18:28.24 | Predicate | Pretty sure that's a bulldog, not a pug. Just sayin'. |
| 18:32.22 | foxlit | karl_w_w: yeah yeah, your watch connected to cellular networks, made calls and sent messages in 1982. |
| 18:32.24 | FireSiku | Number of nameplates ids available sounds like a pretty good candidate for a CVar. |
| 18:32.44 | foxlit | also, I will now vacate your lawn. |
| 18:33.02 | Semlar | i don't know if they can change the number of nameplate ids, they seem to be hard coded |
| 18:34.32 | NodusCursorius | 30 seems like an odd numbmer to agree upon in the first place. |
| 18:34.54 | Semlar | the maximum number of nameplates is currently less than the number of players you can have in your raid |
| 18:35.26 | Semlar | and while it might get cluttered, it could be a problem displaying friendly nameplates in general |
| 18:36.11 | FireSiku | I figured its currently hardcoded, hence why it would be a good candidate for change |
| 18:36.28 | NodusCursorius | Can you imagine a 25 man raid with an "anniversary" Onyxia? |
| 18:36.41 | NodusCursorius | Many welps! Maybe. |
| 18:36.44 | Semlar | many nameplates |
| 18:37.09 | Semlar | i just don't want it not spawning a nameplate for an enemy that wanders on screen because there aren't enough nameplate slots |
| 18:37.17 | Predicate | I'm just picturing a messy AV...health bars all the way down. |
| 18:37.51 | FireSiku | I can see the UI devs going to the ecounter desginers like "Can you guys re-design the boss to only have 29 whelps? That would be real great" |
| 18:38.25 | Predicate | To be fair, the limit might be low for performance reasons, given how often the frames re-calculate their positions... |
| 18:38.41 | Semlar | there isn't a limit for nameplates on live |
| 18:38.54 | NodusCursorius | It's 1996. 30 nameplates should be enough for anyone |
| 18:38.58 | Semlar | i think the only reason there's a cap right now is because they added unit IDs |
| 18:39.04 | Predicate | They also aren't created in Lua on live. |
| 18:39.28 | Semlar | and they don't want to make a nameplate for something without giving it a unit ID |
| 18:39.29 | NodusCursorius | They should port the nameplate code into C or Asm for performance, then. |
| 18:40.09 | Predicate | Arbitrary unitIDs would probably require some reworking... |
| 18:40.35 | Semlar | if the cap was more like 100 it would be harder to run into |
| 18:41.03 | Semlar | but you could easily have more than 30 nameplates on screen |
| 18:41.09 | FireSiku | Or at the very least, make it 32. |
| 18:41.10 | Predicate | 100 would be a nice round number, and conveniently fit 40v40 with some room to spare for NPCs |
| 18:42.46 | NodusCursorius | If we're being honest, there's a threshold reached where practically engaging in the game would be hindered by the number of nameplates. |
| 18:42.50 | foxlit | at that point it's not a user interface; it's an addon interface. |
| 18:42.52 | NodusCursorius | It's far before 100. |
| 18:43.23 | Semlar | from a gameplay perspective it's a big problem not being able to see the name of something that's on screen just because you ran out of possible IDs |
| 18:43.30 | Predicate | Depends on how big/detailed the nameplates are, NodusCursorius. With addons, they might be nothing more than a single pixel tall health bar, or similar... |
| 18:43.30 | foxlit | but hey, coming soon: addon that automatically switches to aoe abilities when you have >X hostiles around you. |
| 18:44.05 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, the name will still show regardless of the namplate, correct? |
| 18:44.09 | Semlar | no |
| 18:44.34 | NodusCursorius | That seems to differ from what I've seen. |
| 18:44.50 | Semlar | names are hidden when you have nameplates enabled, and even if they default to the normal name display those are fairly illegible |
| 18:45.33 | karl_w_w | google are pretty terrible at naming things |
| 18:46.34 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, at that point is sounds too close to subjective modification. The sheer number of nameplates could be considered just as illegible to some. |
| 18:46.35 | Semlar | they aren't something you can customize at any rate, at least without replacing the entire font |
| 18:46.52 | Predicate | foxlit: I like that. /cast [@nameplate10,exists] Cone of Cold; Ice Lance |
| 18:47.29 | foxlit | I liked the UI on that one Chen flashback quest in the Valley of Four Winds. |
| 18:47.36 | foxlit | Chen has one button, it does everything. |
| 18:47.51 | NodusCursorius | Chen's a hunter? |
| 18:47.57 | Semlar | names are objectively unreadable http://i.imgur.com/eFcJAH3.jpg |
| 18:48.15 | Predicate | ^especially compared to the names-only nameplates. |
| 18:48.49 | Predicate | Plus names get obscured by world objects (for better or worse) |
| 18:48.54 | NodusCursorius | You're only right because your data proves it, Semlar. |
| 18:48.59 | NodusCursorius | That's all you have going for you. |
| 18:49.02 | Semlar | :( |
| 18:49.27 | NodusCursorius | I honestly had no idea they had changed so dramatically from live. |
| 18:49.33 | Semlar | that's how it is on live for me |
| 18:49.35 | Predicate | They...haven't. |
| 18:49.43 | Semlar | names just.. don't.. display well |
| 18:49.44 | Predicate | Names have always had some issues with scaling and aliasing. |
| 18:49.47 | NodusCursorius | This is entirely different from what I see, though. |
| 18:49.59 | Semlar | then maybe you have settings that improve it |
| 18:50.10 | NodusCursorius | I have a genuine issue reading nameplates and thus use names constantly, especially for PvP. |
| 18:50.15 | Torhal | I just know Semlar is going to create MiniMap nameplates using ScrollFrames. |
| 18:50.21 | Semlar | shh |
| 18:50.34 | Semlar | don't ruin my surprise |
| 18:52.18 | Predicate | Why am I not surprised that that screenshot is 100% vanilla UI plus a fancy map |
| 18:52.35 | Predicate | It's like Semlar.jpg |
| 18:52.48 | Predicate | Well, almost. Needs more mushroom. |
| 18:52.59 | Torhal | I believe that's due to Semlar deleting all of his prior work before starting a new project. |
| 18:53.16 | Predicate | He's just got his priorities straight |
| 18:53.29 | Predicate | Can't be living in the past, man |
| 18:53.30 | NodusCursorius | Hey, I use the majority of the default UI with usually minor tweaks underneath. |
| 18:53.51 | NodusCursorius | And maybe, sometimes, I revert things to look more like they used to :( |
| 18:54.18 | NodusCursorius | It's called a QUEST LOG not a god damn QUEST DIARY |
| 18:54.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.15 | Semlar | i normally have the names on for friendly players too though |
| 18:55.25 | Semlar | so you know, i can actually see who they are |
| 18:55.32 | Kesava | oh, yeah, i was thinking, how do you do the bars on the numbers? just a bunch of images? |
| 18:55.33 | Semlar | or what class they are |
| 18:55.33 | karl_w_w | the machines are learning Semlar |
| 18:56.03 | Kesava | not that i want to make anything like that. or something. baka. |
| 18:56.17 | Semlar | it's just one texture with 0-9 that i change the texture coordinates on |
| 18:56.38 | Semlar | 4 actual textures in game |
| 18:56.45 | Semlar | 2 for each digit |
| 18:56.59 | Kesava | ah. right, well |
| 18:57.01 | Kesava | same thing |
| 18:57.06 | Semlar | you can do it with 2 font strings |
| 18:57.28 | Semlar | sort of, there's a bug with scrollframes that makes it so moving them vertically makes the font strings bounce |
| 18:57.33 | Semlar | it might have been fixed in legion |
| 18:58.10 | Kesava | oh, so you have one fontstring be the background and the other the foreground in the scroll frame |
| 18:58.11 | Kesava | clev |
| 18:58.30 | Semlar | yeah just stack 2 identical fontstrings on top of each other |
| 18:58.51 | Semlar | and clip the fill with a scrollframe so it's only showing a certain % of it |
| 18:59.16 | Semlar | i wanted to do that instead of textures so you could customize what font you used |
| 18:59.25 | Semlar | but it was buggy |
| 18:59.36 | Semlar | plus the size limit on font strings made it more limiting |
| 18:59.46 | Kesava | yees |
| 18:59.49 | Semlar | also i'm pretty sure rendering font strings would be slower than just using a texture |
| 19:00.09 | Semlar | because all of these use the same texture it's relatively easy to render |
| 19:00.21 | Semlar | it only has the load that texture once |
| 19:00.34 | Semlar | and i think font strings are more complicated |
| 19:00.58 | Semlar | but i could be wrong |
| 19:01.22 | Semlar | either way i don't think the performance difference would matter |
| 19:01.44 | Semlar | especially if you can't render more than 30 nameplates |
| 19:02.46 | Predicate | So much time put into nameplates, and yet your BigWigs bar textures don't match your damage meter. For shame. |
| 19:03.23 | Semlar | see you might be surprised to learn that i don't actually care what my interface looks like |
| 19:03.44 | Semlar | so i'll pretty much just have random stuff on screen at any given time |
| 19:04.20 | Predicate | No, that seems par for the course around here. |
| 19:06.18 | Ironii | Predicate that macro actually works if you toggle nameplates off&on everytime you press the macro >.< |
| 19:07.02 | Predicate | Could probably just throw a couple /console lines in there |
| 19:07.36 | Guill | re: number of nameplates. Unfortunately our unit-token system is pretty tied to having static enum values, so making a CVar for the number of tokens would be a huge change. At least for the default UI, I think 30 is a reasonable max. After that, you can't easily pick out individual nameplates anyway. If we find that it's too low, we can always increase it in the future. |
| 19:07.53 | Semlar | you should make 100 unit ids for nameplates |
| 19:08.15 | Predicate | You could limit the display to 30 in the Lua, but leave the IDs capped at 100 |
| 19:08.21 | nevcairiel | maybe some prioritization to ensure the big bads always have a plate might be nice |
| 19:08.31 | Guill | Part of the issue is that we really want unit tokens to fit in 8-bits. So with a max of 255 different unit IDs across the whole game, we have to conserve |
| 19:08.54 | nevcairiel | but on the other hand its probably complex to do that |
| 19:08.59 | Predicate | Oh, yikes |
| 19:09.12 | Semlar | pfft that leaves you with plenty of unit ids to spare |
| 19:09.14 | Guill | nevcairiel: Yeah, I totally agree that there should be some sort of prioritization |
| 19:09.28 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, ehhhhhhh |
| 19:09.32 | Predicate | Semlar: Are you forgetting raid1-40, raidpet1-40, ... |
| 19:09.36 | Guill | Semlar: We're already at 200 :P |
| 19:09.47 | NodusCursorius | Exactly. |
| 19:09.52 | Semlar | alright you need more bits |
| 19:10.00 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/GiantBrightEstuarinecrocodile here preidcate |
| 19:10.03 | Predicate | I'm sure they didn't think of that |
| 19:10.09 | Semlar | close enough |
| 19:10.16 | FireSiku | How about we meet in the middle and go for 64 ids? |
| 19:10.25 | FireSiku | :D |
| 19:10.26 | Kesava | i like how your ui gifs are massive raid fails |
| 19:10.45 | Semlar | this is actually all i do in a raid |
| 19:11.10 | Predicate | Well if they all spend the raid configuring addons and recording gifs, I'm surprised they even got as far as Zakuun. |
| 19:11.14 | Ironii | meh, just remove nameplate unitids, they will make the game too easy and boring for dotters |
| 19:11.15 | Guill | FireSiku: Well, my initial pitch was -4 IDs. So really, 30 is a perfect compromise. |
| 19:11.43 | FireSiku | Guill: Bigger question, why 30 over a round number like 32? |
| 19:12.11 | Guill | FireSiku: That is an excellent question. Also, why is the first token nameplate1 instead of nameplate0? |
| 19:12.19 | Kesava | the 2 less is just to insult addon developers |
| 19:12.44 | Stanzilla | is 1 the player one? |
| 19:12.50 | Stanzilla | maybe! |
| 19:12.52 | Ironii | no |
| 19:12.59 | Stanzilla | then dunno :< |
| 19:13.07 | Ironii | player is random between 1-30 |
| 19:13.08 | FireSiku | Isnt it nameplate1 because Lua starts at 1 and not 0? >.> |
| 19:13.11 | Semlar | Guill: i don't actually need unit IDs for the nameplates, i just want to be able to have something to be able to attach stuff to their heads |
| 19:13.14 | Kesava | semlar had a good point earlier though. 30 is less than you can have in a raid. and what if you have friendly nameplates enabled. it ends up being a bit silly. |
| 19:13.37 | Semlar | at least to put a name on there |
| 19:13.40 | NodusCursorius | If you have 30 friendly nameplates and 30 enemy nameplates... |
| 19:13.42 | Ironii | well, not random, based on spawning order ;P |
| 19:13.56 | FireSiku | ...ID-less nameplates for 31+ could be cool. |
| 19:14.07 | Kesava | non |
| 19:14.10 | Kesava | that would break all my word |
| 19:14.12 | Predicate | So you guys basically want the old nameplates back? |
| 19:14.13 | Kesava | work |
| 19:14.17 | Kesava | nooooo |
| 19:14.34 | FireSiku | ....Yeah, after reflection, way too much work for little gain :( |
| 19:14.44 | Kesava | more unit ids! more bits! |
| 19:14.52 | foxlit | okay, new solution: no nameplates for anyone. |
| 19:14.59 | Semlar | :( |
| 19:15.09 | Guill | foxlit has spoken. Let it be done. |
| 19:15.26 | Torhal | Nametags, instead? |
| 19:15.30 | Predicate | Now, let's not be hasty. Why don't we just take the UnitIDs from raid pets, and put them all into nameplates? |
| 19:15.34 | Stanzilla | dog tags? |
| 19:15.39 | Torhal | stabs Stanzilla. |
| 19:15.44 | Semlar | i'd be okay with only having unit ids for enemies |
| 19:15.45 | Stanzilla | why rude |
| 19:15.58 | Yoshimo | the only way to know at which mapid and xyz a teleportitem will place you is hardcoding it, right? |
| 19:16.01 | Torhal | Because if they added DogTags to the default UI, computers would catch fire, Stanzilla. |
| 19:16.31 | Semlar | hey wait a minute how come you can have unit names be unit ids in your raid |
| 19:16.34 | Stanzilla | I meant actual dog tags |
| 19:16.37 | NodusCursorius | Predicate, why don't we take the 60 UnitIDs from the Spectate IDs and put them anywhere else? |
| 19:16.39 | Stanzilla | which is why I didnt write DogTags |
| 19:16.44 | Torhal | !!! |
| 19:17.01 | Ironii | btw, is there any way to stop the player nameplate from moving? it feels useful but becouse it keeps moving all the time it isn't really that practical |
| 19:17.15 | Guill | Semlar: The function that we (usually) use for converting tokens to GUIDs falls back on group member names if it doesn't match a unit token |
| 19:17.28 | Kesava | Ironii: uuuse the standaaard unit fraaame? |
| 19:17.34 | Guill | Ironii: Just hide it and make your own unit frame with unit "player"? |
| 19:17.48 | Kesava | :D |
| 19:18.19 | Predicate | Ironii: I believe that's called a "HUD", and you can find a few (hundred) of them on curse/wowi already... |
| 19:18.28 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/WeakTintedAurochs |
| 19:18.53 | Kesava | brilliant |
| 19:19.07 | Predicate | Semlar: I want to see those crosshairs + actioncam |
| 19:20.05 | Ironii | i woulnd't use it on live, but on beta it was kinda nice, before enabling other addons and noticing the nameplate would just hide everything else, being able to lock it in one place would be useful and would allow using it with custom ui's |
| 19:20.18 | Yoshimo | Predicate: i would prefer more features of skillet in the profession window and more auctioneer features in the default ah ui :) |
| 19:20.48 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/WarpedAptCanine i'm not very good at this game |
| 19:20.53 | Predicate | The whole point of nameplate functionality is that it moves with the unit, Ironii. You can make a static unit frame already that looks just like it, if you want. |
| 19:21.46 | Ironii | with other nameplates yea, player nameplate not so much :D, since the player is always in the middle and not chaning positions |
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| 19:22.14 | Kesava | which is what i said when people kept asking me "how do i make it show a nameplate for the player" |
| 19:22.26 | Predicate | Not entirely true, if you /sit for example, you'll move lower and the nameplate will shift accordingly. |
| 19:22.44 | Predicate | Same with camera movement. Really, honestly, if you want a static frame, make a static frame. |
| 19:22.49 | Kesava | indeed |
| 19:25.45 | Cairenn | Guys, further to Guill saying that they're actively reading the Legion forums on WoWI, I've set up a forum specifically for Legion UI Bugs: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=169 |
| 19:26.01 | Predicate | Cairenn++ |
| 19:26.05 | NodusCursorius | ; |
| 19:26.17 | Semlar | is this specifically for us to complain directly to guill about things |
| 19:26.24 | NodusCursorius | Thank you Cairenn, and Guill for monitoring it. |
| 19:26.25 | Semlar | because i'm going to need a forum for that |
| 19:26.28 | Cairenn | Pretty much, yup :p |
| 19:26.33 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:26.42 | Semlar | this is why he never visits us |
| 19:26.45 | Ironii | already making static nameplates ^^, but that doens't mean the default ui shouldn't be improved ;) |
| 19:26.48 | Predicate | Time to go break the client some more! |
| 19:26.53 | Guill | Just to be clear though, I'm just the one helping get those bugs fixed. None of them are my fault. |
| 19:27.01 | Semlar | are you sure |
| 19:27.09 | Semlar | because i'm going to need someone to blame |
| 19:27.22 | Predicate | Why don't we just blame Slouken? |
| 19:27.37 | Semlar | i'll give you time to produce an acceptable scapegoat |
| 19:27.58 | Guill | I'd say like 99% of our bugs are intern's fault |
| 19:28.09 | NodusCursorius | I KNEW IT |
| 19:28.12 | Guill | The other 1% are other people who are no longer here to defend themselves |
| 19:28.14 | Semlar | does he have a name? |
| 19:28.20 | Semlar | is it jerry? |
| 19:28.22 | Predicate | You should recruit your interns from this channel |
| 19:28.26 | NodusCursorius | Semlar pulling out the gender bias. |
| 19:28.27 | Guill | Maybe, but I don't remember it. We just call him Intern |
| 19:28.41 | Kesava | Semlar: since you hang out in vale of eternal blossoms, am i bugging or is the only portal up the one to shattrath |
| 19:29.00 | Semlar | i don't have the game open right now |
| 19:29.12 | Kesava | i thought you'd know! |
| 19:29.24 | Semlar | also i can't see names any more because i still have your bar texture covering everyone's nameplate |
| 19:29.35 | Kesava | :D |
| 19:30.03 | Predicate | Kesava: I'll come check, are you on 01 or 03? |
| 19:30.24 | Kesava | 03. i think. but semlar's here. |
| 19:30.33 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/bAv8Juo.jpg |
| 19:30.35 | Predicate | Well, fine, I didn't want to help you anyway. |
| 19:30.46 | Semlar | well i see shattrath |
| 19:30.51 | Kesava | yeeah |
| 19:30.59 | Kesava | well i guess it is the most useful one |
| 19:31.09 | Semlar | i think i can fix this |
| 19:31.11 | Kesava | that's the ironforge slot! |
| 19:31.12 | Kesava | nooo |
| 19:31.17 | Predicate | They may have removed them since we have the city ports in New Dalaran |
| 19:31.35 | Predicate | They probably didn't want us to keep hearthing to the Shrine for yet another expansion. |
| 19:31.49 | Kesava | all the slots for them are still there so i doubt that |
| 19:32.02 | Kesava | anyway we only did that because the other place didn't have the right portals |
| 19:32.08 | Kesava | dalaran does! |
| 19:32.12 | Semlar | https://gfycat.com/RecklessIncompatibleChrysalis |
| 19:32.19 | Predicate | The slots for the city portals in Old Dalaran stayed, though... |
| 19:32.44 | Kesava | they didn't have flags over them |
| 19:32.54 | Kesava | right now it just looks like random flags. with semlar's incorrect portals under them. |
| 19:32.59 | Predicate | Semlar: I'm starting to think you are just desynced from our timestream. |
| 19:33.52 | Semlar | the boss put a ring around me that teleports you back to its center if you try to leave it |
| 19:34.02 | Semlar | right when we were moving |
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| 19:34.12 | Kesava | yees we had that happen a lot |
| 19:34.12 | Predicate | Was that your excuse for Thogar and Mannoroth, too? |
| 19:34.39 | Semlar | i think i spend most of my time raiding dead |
| 19:34.51 | Predicate | You're a hunter, you should only be faking it. |
| 19:35.29 | Kesava | oh, also, is it me, or does the cooldown timer on the hearthstone not go down sometimes/always. you can still see the actual time in its tooltop though |
| 19:35.31 | Kesava | tip* |
| 19:36.13 | Predicate | I'd honestly be more surprised at this point if someone reported a cooldown spiral behaving exactly as it's supposed to. |
| 19:36.26 | Kesava | oh! that's another thing. |
| 19:37.33 | Kesava | Guill: CooldownFrames don't seem to like being moved if you run :SetHideCountdownNumbers(true) on them. They just stay still. |
| 19:37.59 | Kesava | Didn't try moving them -directly-, but moving the parent frame, obviously. |
| 19:38.01 | Predicate | Kesava: they don't like being moved in most cases, I already sent in a detailed test case via Cairenn |
| 19:38.13 | Kesava | oh, good good. |
| 19:40.30 | Semlar | stop breaking things |
| 19:40.48 | Semlar | you're just making more work for guill |
| 19:41.22 | foxlit | I thought this was explained; Guill broke everything and you're making some poor gal named Intern fix it. |
| 19:42.25 | bshelden | That's what she gets for being named Intern. |
| 19:45.58 | foxlit | on second though, should've translaed Joshu-san as Intern. |
| 19:46.20 | foxlit | ^ insert additional ts as required. |
| 19:47.33 | Semlar | foxlit-senpai, did you update luacasc |
| 19:52.40 | foxlit | something like that. |
| 20:01.39 | Semlar | Cairenn: the "report post" button on wowi is too red |
| 20:01.47 | Cairenn | okay |
| 20:01.54 | Semlar | i submit that it should be white |
| 20:02.05 | Cairenn | ooookay ... |
| 20:02.46 | Semlar | it should only be red if the post has actually been reported for something |
| 20:03.52 | Cairenn | Discussing it :) |
| 20:04.08 | Semlar | also the online button isn't green enough |
| 20:04.11 | Predicate | Also I want a pony. |
| 20:04.31 | Cairenn | I don't want a pony. I want a winged unicorn |
| 20:05.00 | Torhal | Oh, no. Cairenn is letting bugs into her forums. |
| 20:05.09 | Cairenn | Torhal: hehehehe |
| 20:05.09 | Semlar | i know it sounds like nitpicking but the old button was greener and the new one just isn't up to the task |
| 20:05.14 | Torhal | I read that as "I don't want a pompy" |
| 20:06.54 | Cairenn | All feedback always appreciated Semlar, no justification necessary |
| 20:07.03 | Cairenn | We may not act on it, but we always want to hear it |
| 20:07.08 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:07.42 | Semlar | my input is valuable |
| 20:07.47 | Semlar | i don't give my input to just anyone |
| 20:07.48 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:08.15 | Torhal | Phrasing! |
| 20:08.51 | Semlar | torhal's just jealous that i'm not giving him my input right now |
| 20:09.06 | Torhal | I don't know where it's been. |
| 20:09.06 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 20:11.57 | Arrow|work | fucking hell i missed the CAH promo today |
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| 20:56.28 | foxlit | Semlar: here foxlit http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=314912&postcount=19 << they're onto me :/ |
| 20:56.44 | Semlar | now you've done it |
| 20:56.48 | foxlit | but nobody noticed the moonwalking bear, so I think I'm safe. |
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| 20:58.36 | Predicate | Sorry if I spoiled it, foxlit |
| 21:00.05 | Predicate | (but seriously, compat.lua pls?) |
| 21:00.49 | foxlit | which would be what, their global stdlib aliases? |
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| 21:01.09 | Predicate | Essentially, yes |
| 21:01.24 | Predicate | Plus their weird trig functions that use degrees |
| 21:01.53 | foxlit | multiplying by pi is annoying. |
| 21:02.47 | NodusCursorius | http://hastebin.com/ijojezegan.lua - compat.lua |
| 21:03.07 | Predicate | Ah, I was hoping you'd chime in with that, thanks |
| 21:03.18 | foxlit | but realistically, that isn't interesting to me. |
| 21:03.27 | VIad | foxlit: hide! |
| 21:03.41 | Semlar | i like how this isn't actually wherever strsplit is defined |
| 21:04.10 | foxlit | Easier to treat them as the game's C API. |
| 21:04.30 | Predicate | Not easier if you're trying to run addon Lua outside of the game :/ |
| 21:04.49 | Predicate | You could make the same argument for GlobalStrings, now |
| 21:05.27 | Semlar | it's really inconvenient to look up strings after they've been moved into a db2 file |
| 21:06.13 | NodusCursorius | On the other hand, I don't think compat.lua has changed in content since the dawn of mankind. |
| 21:06.24 | Predicate | More or less |
| 21:06.28 | PhatsoTGT | btw real talk |
| 21:06.42 | NodusCursorius | So this could be a set-it-once and forget it fix for foxlit |
| 21:06.58 | Semlar | stop distracting foxlit from luacasc |
| 21:07.06 | Semlar | he's got priorities |
| 21:07.09 | PhatsoTGT | is it super important to load functions like unpack and math into locals? |
| 21:07.11 | NodusCursorius | Stop distracting Semlar from Stanzilla's code |
| 21:07.16 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:07.25 | Stanzilla | that shit has sailed |
| 21:07.28 | Stanzilla | SHIP |
| 21:07.31 | Semlar | too late |
| 21:07.32 | foxlit | What sort of addon uses wow's global stdlib aliase but no actual wow API functions? :P |
| 21:07.32 | Predicate | ... |
| 21:07.52 | Predicate | You'd be surprised |
| 21:08.02 | Stanzilla | ever since the tuna sandwich |
| 21:08.05 | Stanzilla | I knew my place |
| 21:08.06 | NodusCursorius | All of her code. |
| 21:08.08 | Stanzilla | in his priority system |
| 21:08.14 | Predicate | No, my code doesn't use non-standard aliases :) |
| 21:08.31 | PhatsoTGT | imagines some deuces shipping to tortuga singing songs about hangover shits |
| 21:08.31 | Predicate | But the code I port often does, which is a pain |
| 21:08.36 | Semlar | this is actually predicate's fault for getting me started on fixing foglight |
| 21:08.44 | NodusCursorius | ACE!!! *shakes fist* |
| 21:08.45 | Predicate | I'll gladly take the blame for that |
| 21:08.51 | NodusCursorius | Oh. |
| 21:08.58 | NodusCursorius | Predicate!!! *shakes fist* |
| 21:09.02 | PhatsoTGT | you guys still talking about that shit from yesterday lol? |
| 21:10.03 | Predicate | PhatsoTGT: to answer your question, upvalues are helpful for performance-critical code. I'd definitely upvalue anything you expect to call in an OnUpdate or CLEU handler, for example. |
| 21:10.05 | Semlar | i have to go through and identify all the db2 columns now because they don't match the old dbc columns |
| 21:10.40 | PhatsoTGT | CLEU? |
| 21:10.48 | Predicate | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 21:10.49 | Semlar | combat log |
| 21:11.05 | PhatsoTGT | that sounds like the gate to hell :D |
| 21:11.12 | Predicate | Oh, you sweet summer child. |
| 21:11.24 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, https://wowdev.wiki/DB2 && https://wowdev.wiki/Category:DBC_WoD |
| 21:11.40 | Semlar | these aren't updated for legion though, at least not the ones i've looked at |
| 21:11.51 | PhatsoTGT | blame Tom |
| 21:11.57 | NodusCursorius | https://wowdev.wiki/Category:DBC_Legion |
| 21:11.59 | Semlar | the page on the db2 files is, but not the specific columns |
| 21:12.05 | Semlar | ah |
| 21:12.19 | NodusCursorius | There are five so far. Look at all the time I saved you. |
| 21:12.53 | Semlar | i've just been going through my script and updating the definitions for each db2 file one at a time |
| 21:13.04 | PhatsoTGT | btw if you accidentally end up retroporting DHs to 0.5.3 you get a 110$ price |
| 21:13.15 | Torhal | updated his script to update Semlar for updating his script. |
| 21:13.29 | Semlar | i'm not sure whether they even have an id column any more or if they just use the row number |
| 21:15.07 | Semlar | it used to be the first column for most things but i think they may just be using the rows |
| 21:15.43 | foxlit | Semlar: he's got priorities << Dunno about that. |
| 21:15.54 | Semlar | well, my priorities |
| 21:15.56 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.59 | Predicate | Why are all your windows so tiny? |
| 21:17.03 | Semlar | that reminds me i need another monitor |
| 21:17.05 | Predicate | How do you see all the things? |
| 21:17.08 | Semlar | probably because he has a giant monitor |
| 21:17.26 | Predicate | The whole point of a giant monitor is you can fill all the pixels with moar data. |
| 21:18.22 | foxlit | it's a 15' screen. |
| 21:18.36 | foxlit | er, more of those silly american ' things. |
| 21:18.40 | Semlar | does it take up the whole wall |
| 21:18.57 | Predicate | And half of it is displaying your desktop background. Which, lovely though it is, doesn't help you get stuff done. |
| 21:18.59 | foxlit | < 40 cm diagonal. |
| 21:19.17 | sylvanaar | Yes. That is the problem with too big of a monitor |
| 21:20.19 | Semlar | are you on a laptop |
| 21:20.42 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:21.37 | Semlar | how long does luacasc take to open the game for you |
| 21:21.46 | Semlar | because it takes like 5 seconds for me |
| 21:22.03 | foxlit | what are we counting as open? |
| 21:22.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.30 | pompy | what Stanzilla? |
| 21:23.18 | foxlit | > t=os.clock() require("casc").open("http://eu.patch.battle.net/wow/#us") print(os.clock()-t) |
| 21:23.18 | foxlit | 5.621009 |
| 21:23.47 | Semlar | alright i wasn't sure if it was just taking an inordinate amount of time for me for some reason |
| 21:24.05 | foxlit | jit makes it in 1.292847 |
| 21:24.29 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i have whatever lua exe you compiled |
| 21:27.02 | Predicate | Is there any reason /not/ to use jit? |
| 21:30.46 | foxlit | > require("gd") |
| 21:30.46 | foxlit | Segmentation fault: 11 |
| 21:32.17 | foxlit | (and I don't have it installed everywhere) |
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| 22:22.59 | Kesava | i miss rhonin yelling about the titans every minute in dalaran |
| 22:24.05 | foxlit | ... That our lives... our lives are worth living! |
| 22:24.32 | Kesava | it's gone all dark again! |
| 22:25.00 | foxlit | I think there's an addon in there somewhere. |
| 22:25.05 | foxlit | kind of like the Jimmy Wales extension. |
| 22:25.25 | Kesava | that would be amazing, i'm sure many would install it |
| 22:25.43 | foxlit | steal talking head ui, make it the classiest addon ever. |
| 22:27.28 | Torhal | That should be the new thing: Hire Jimmy Wales to head up your crowdfunding project. |
| 22:31.14 | Neffi | how about Jimmy FROM Wales? he's half the cost |
| 22:37.47 | Torhal | Bad investment, Neffi. |
| 22:39.15 | PhatsoTGT | anyone know what functions are being called when a tooltip is being triggered while the tooltip is already visible? the gameobject tooltip bends to my will only on the first hover. when i hover over a gameobject the second time it makes the background shit again |
| 22:39.46 | Predicate | None that you'll be able to hook. |
| 22:40.17 | PhatsoTGT | so how the hell can TipTac etc do it? |
| 22:40.24 | Predicate | OnUpdate, probably |
| 22:40.34 | PhatsoTGT | gates to hell again |
| 22:40.38 | Predicate | Quite. |
| 22:45.00 | PhatsoTGT | http://hastebin.com/ihivopihup.lua fucking hell |
| 22:45.23 | Predicate | Yeeeep. |
| 23:04.48 | PhatsoTGT | ROOOOFL |
| 23:04.52 | PhatsoTGT | i did it |
| 23:07.02 | PhatsoTGT | Listen for Cursor Updates, if it updates wait 0.02 Seconds and call redraw :D |
| 23:14.06 | Predicate | Not all world objects will change the cursor, IIRC. |
| 23:14.21 | Predicate | I'm not sure if CURSOR_UPDATE fires on those that don't, but it's possible. |
| 23:14.53 | PhatsoTGT | well it still uses OnUpdate for the wait function which is meh |
| 23:16.32 | PhatsoTGT | theres gotta be a way |
| 23:16.33 | Predicate | Yeah, but you can use a dedicated frame for it and :Hide() when you're not waiting for that, so your OnUpdate only runs a minimal length of time. |
| 23:17.10 | Predicate | There really isn't a proper way. Game objects set the tooltip directly through C, and no lua function or event is guaranteed to call/fire when that happens. |
| 23:18.07 | Gnarfoz | the fun part of making a new ui: you get to make the mistakes of the last ~12 years all over again! |
| 23:18.23 | PhatsoTGT | talking about me? |
| 23:18.43 | Predicate | Time is a flat circle, indeed. |
| 23:23.23 | NodusCursorius | I feel like PhatsoTGT's desired goal is the exact reason why we have Golden Repoodles. |
| 23:23.47 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/vikuzerite.pas |
| 23:24.12 | foxlit | I expected Pascal, Semlar. |
| 23:24.17 | Semlar | :( |
| 23:24.19 | foxlit | what sort of trickery is that? |
| 23:24.36 | Predicate | SetOwner works for world objects, but then you have addons re-showing tooltips without re-parenting them. |
| 23:24.59 | Semlar | so hook OnShow |
| 23:25.22 | Semlar | i'm not sure that's necessary |
| 23:25.29 | PhatsoTGT | you cant hook onto OnShow for world object tips |
| 23:25.41 | Semlar | so hook SetOwner |
| 23:27.27 | Semlar | or OnTooltipSetDefaultAnchor |
| 23:27.49 | Predicate | hooks Semlar |
| 23:28.00 | Semlar | or my favorite, just set its backdrop color OnUpdate |
| 23:29.23 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, I've always admired your hackish solutions and the lateral thinking involved, but I have a question. |
| 23:29.29 | NodusCursorius | How well documented is your code? |
| 23:29.37 | Semlar | i don't understand the question |
| 23:29.43 | Predicate | Have you seen his commit messages? |
| 23:29.52 | NodusCursorius | There were messages? |
| 23:29.58 | Predicate | Mostly food orders, really |
| 23:30.04 | Semlar | speaking of which |
| 23:30.15 | Semlar | it's past my dinner time |
| 23:31.17 | Semlar | i should make something to eat |
| 23:31.30 | Predicate | sudo make me a sandwich |
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| 23:33.48 | Semlar | "Setup Detected a pre-release version of the .Net Framework 4." |
| 23:34.07 | Semlar | well setup is wrong |
| 23:34.40 | PhatsoTGT | SetOwner fires but its to early in the chain -___- |
| 23:34.52 | Semlar | did you look at the code i linked |
| 23:35.31 | Semlar | http://hastebin.com/vikuzerite.lua |
| 23:36.45 | NodusCursorius | notices Semlar has advanced to hastebin.com |
| 23:36.53 | NodusCursorius | politely claps |
| 23:37.01 | Semlar | it was already open |
| 23:37.13 | PhatsoTGT | does onUpdate not fire when stuff is hidden? |
| 23:37.20 | Semlar | nope |
| 23:37.23 | Gnarfoz | should just use https://haste.smb.wtf/ |
| 23:37.34 | Gnarfoz | haste: MORE PINGS |
| 23:37.46 | PhatsoTGT | umm |
| 23:39.20 | PhatsoTGT | so what exactly does that code do? everytime setowner fires the dummy frame OnUpdate function is being called once |
| 23:39.47 | Predicate | It's basically just delaying the SetBackdrop by one frame-render. |
| 23:40.20 | PhatsoTGT | can you say for sure that it needs one frame to paint the backdrop? |
| 23:40.41 | Semlar | probably |
| 23:40.49 | Predicate | Er...if it wasn't finished rendering, it wouldn't be rendering the next frame, so... |
| 23:40.58 | PhatsoTGT | the best answer |
| 23:43.21 | PhatsoTGT | really nice |
| 23:43.39 | PhatsoTGT | i look forward to breaking shit even further. |
| 23:43.47 | PhatsoTGT | seriously tho. Thanks Semlar |
| 23:43.56 | NodusCursorius | When life gives you lemons, abuse OnUpdate |
| 23:44.29 | Semlar | GameTooltip:HookScript('OnTooltipSetDefaultAnchor', might be better than hooking SetOwner, but i don't know if it makes a difference |
| 23:44.48 | Predicate | When life gives you lemons, complain they're too sour until Semlar gives you a snippet that magically converts acid to sugar. |
| 23:45.25 | NodusCursorius | Semlar, let's talk about Stan's TPS checkboxes. |
| 23:45.27 | Semlar | you'll have to check the behavior |
| 23:45.44 | Semlar | but but i'm hungry |
| 23:46.08 | NodusCursorius | Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. About that. |
| 23:46.22 | Semlar | plus i believe you have my stapler |
| 23:46.36 | NodusCursorius | See. We're going to need you to take your lunch later today so that Salllly can head out for the copies. Okaaaaaaaaaaaaay? |
| 23:46.52 | NodusCursorius | s/Salllly/Stannnnnzilla/ |
| 23:47.00 | NodusCursorius | I don't know what happened there with the sally and stan thing. |
| 23:47.21 | Semlar | puts NodusCursorius in a rotating scrollframe |
| 23:47.27 | Stanzilla | I dont get highlights this way |
| 23:47.31 | Stanzilla | so thanks for that I guess |
| 23:47.36 | Semlar | it's for the best |
| 23:48.00 | Stanzilla | I did a dropdown yesterday btw |
| 23:48.02 | Stanzilla | it is glorious |
| 23:48.14 | Predicate | pats Stanzilla on the head |
| 23:48.32 | NodusCursorius | s/Stannnnnzilla/\/part |
| 23:48.40 | NodusCursorius | s/Stannnnnzilla/\/part/ |
| 23:48.43 | NodusCursorius | Was worth a shot. |
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| 23:48.59 | Predicate | That...just...no |
| 23:49.50 | NodusCursorius | I wonder how it handles a replacement where the final text will exceed IRC character limitations |
| 23:50.06 | Predicate | ibot is way, way smarter than that |
| 23:50.28 | NodusCursorius | s/how/Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious/ |
| 23:50.50 | NodusCursorius | No individual limit per word, so that's a good sign. |
| 23:51.17 | NodusCursorius | eyes purl with deliciousness |
| 23:51.46 | Semlar | ~emulate semlar |
| 23:51.46 | purl | ACTION tries to calm ScratchMonkey down. |
| 23:52.42 | Semlar | Guill: what does SetFlattensRenderLayers do |
| 23:53.48 | NodusCursorius | looks |
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| 23:54.59 | Spriithy | Hey lads! |
| 23:55.04 | Spriithy | Just a question... |
| 23:55.12 | Spriithy | How to write standalone labels in my frame ? |
| 23:55.25 | Spriithy | like, pieces of text (2/3 words max) |
| 23:55.54 | Predicate | :CreateFontString() perhaps? |
| 23:57.30 | Semlar | eg frame:CreateFontString(nil, nil, 'GameFontNormal') |
| 23:58.20 | PhatsoTGT | Semlar |
| 23:58.41 | PhatsoTGT | you really deserve that special place in hell |
| 23:59.34 | Spriithy | Alright, and to apply it some good ol' text ? |
| 23:59.42 | Spriithy | frame.text = 'foo' ? |
| 23:59.43 | Semlar | SetText |
| 23:59.59 | PhatsoTGT | name your goddamn shit |
| 23:59.59 | Spriithy | Does that mean I can't have more than 1 text per frame ? |
