| 00:28.05 | Noshei | Cairenn: no beta invite yet, though I think I was one of the last people you sent in (if not the last) |
| 00:44.13 | foxlit | APIs I kind of want: token = GetCurrentRenderedFrameID() |
| 00:45.29 | foxlit | RunCoroutineInBackgroundWhileMaintainingVSync(thread) |
| 00:47.46 | Cairenn | Noshei: Actually, your name hasn't gone in yet. It'll be going in on Friday |
| 00:48.09 | Noshei | :( |
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| 00:49.54 | Noshei | well darn, I was hoping to get into beta this weekend. |
| 01:01.53 | Semlar | wowi appears to have a new menu |
| 01:03.24 | foxlit | Hurray! |
| 01:05.09 | Semlar | what would GetCurrentRenderedFrameID do foxlit |
| 01:05.24 | Semlar | something like GetTime? |
| 01:05.24 | foxlit | give you an identifier which would change for every rendered frame. |
| 01:06.16 | foxlit | Something like GetTime, but without the possibility that it would fail to increment. |
| 01:06.31 | Semlar | i didn't know 2 frames could have the same time |
| 01:06.57 | Semlar | i guess you could manually implement it with an OnUpdate script |
| 01:07.40 | foxlit | It's icky because you (a) don't want to run an OnUpdate script when you don't need it (b) Need to make sure your OnUpdate script doesn't get called in the middle of /other/ OnUpdate scripts. |
| 01:09.04 | Semlar | i don't know how often this would really get used |
| 01:10.10 | Semlar | i mean i'm sure it has its uses but they seem pretty specialized |
| 01:12.17 | foxlit | I don't intend to imply that I expect it to be useful to every addon ever written; just that it would solve a problem I'm having. |
| 01:13.49 | Semlar | are you sure GetTime can return the same value on 2 different frames? |
| 01:14.30 | Semlar | why would it render multiple frames with no time between them |
| 01:14.52 | Semlar | or does GetTime have a minimum amount of time to pass before it updates |
| 01:15.13 | foxlit | in Neffi's favourite terms, the behavior of GetTime is undefined. |
| 01:15.27 | foxlit | (as is the behaviour of every other C API function, but anyway) |
| 01:16.01 | foxlit | Just have to get a frame rendered in under a millisecond to test. |
| 01:16.13 | Semlar | are you saying my computer isn't good enough |
| 01:16.28 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:17.10 | Semlar | i've used GetTime as a unique table key before without any apparent issue but that doesn't mean much |
| 01:17.24 | Semlar | i wasn't exactly testing for this |
| 01:18.08 | Semlar | i just kind of assumed it wouldn't be the same value more than once |
| 01:18.41 | Semlar | they even changed it to only update once per frame |
| 01:19.41 | foxlit | but that just means it's pulling from a local cache which is updated once per frame. |
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| 01:23.51 | foxlit | heh, it's locked to 144hz for me. |
| 01:24.41 | foxlit | which is weird, because vsync is supposed to be disabled |
| 01:24.59 | Semlar | maybe it just really likes 144hz |
| 01:25.06 | foxlit | took a restart. |
| 01:25.16 | Arrowmaster | so the other week i found out the central management server for one of our firewall vendors supports dynamic scripting to run against all registered units, but it only supports one old language and its TCL, i wish they would update it and support Lua but that will probably never happen, doubt we even have enough say with how large of a client we are to even get them to look into it |
| 01:26.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont want to relearn TCL after i forgot it 15+ years ago |
| 01:26.41 | Arrowmaster | but i could fix so much shit and script a few people out of a job...... |
| 01:27.43 | foxlit | ~909fps after being terribly mean to it |
| 01:28.13 | Semlar | gotta render fast |
| 01:31.08 | foxlit | got it. |
| 01:31.14 | Semlar | did you manage to break it |
| 01:32.05 | foxlit | yes. |
| 01:32.14 | Semlar | and it only took.. a thousand FPS? |
| 01:32.32 | mckenziemc | it's not often that "its" is the one of the pair to cause confusion from its misuse :O |
| 01:32.57 | foxlit | Semlar: yes. Coincidentially, the FPS counter maxes out at 1000fps for some reason. |
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| 01:33.22 | Semlar | some reason |
| 01:33.36 | Semlar | i'm jelly |
| 01:40.40 | foxlit | it kind of falls into the realm of things that would never happen in actual gameplay unless you had sli-1080s or somthing. |
| 01:45.58 | Semlar | so if it hits 1000 fps it breaks? |
| 01:46.06 | Semlar | because it's capped |
| 01:46.22 | foxlit | Well, it never displayed anything higher than 1000.0 |
| 01:46.54 | foxlit | Maybe what it's doing is 1/(elapsed ticks since last frame) |
| 01:47.23 | foxlit | then again, it didn't fail horribly when that was 1/0, so dunno. |
| 01:49.42 | foxlit | (I wonder if someone had the foresight to put an if (elapsed != 0) in front of it) |
| 02:06.37 | kullervo | the fps meter doesn't work at all with some settings which involve gsync |
| 02:07.25 | foxlit | why? |
| 02:07.59 | kullervo | no idea, the number just doesn't show up |
| 02:08.29 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/Wow-64_2016-05-12_05-08-25.png |
| 02:08.57 | kullervo | it works on my other account that has different settings, so dunno |
| 02:09.18 | foxlit | maybe it's your addons' fault? |
| 02:09.30 | kullervo | could be |
| 02:10.04 | foxlit | Disable everything and try again? :P |
| 02:10.49 | kullervo | I'll try on my other account, cba setting all the character specific addons again |
| 02:11.30 | kullervo | other account works with -every- addon enabled |
| 02:14.22 | foxlit | not too interesting, as the configurations of those addons may be different between accounts. |
| 02:14.39 | kullervo | true |
| 02:19.40 | kullervo | wtf. _Cursor breaks it with this config... |
| 02:20.12 | kullervo | in combination with other addons |
| 02:21.45 | kullervo | fuck it I give up now it works again with the same full config it was broken with after some reloads |
| 02:24.11 | mckenziemc | blame Ace and call it good |
| 02:44.49 | Fisker | hughugs Cairenn |
| 02:44.59 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 02:45.21 | foxlit | ... someone is up early. |
| 02:45.30 | kd3 | ahaha. https://twitter.com/pjf/status/730215052750381056 |
| 02:45.50 | Fisker | yes you are foxlit |
| 02:46.02 | foxlit | no, I'm up late. It's a timezone thing. |
| 02:46.22 | Cairenn | kd3: rofl! |
| 02:46.35 | Fisker | No I'm up late foxlit |
| 02:47.00 | Fisker | :D |
| 02:50.06 | Noshei | kd3: that is pretty awesome |
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| 03:04.48 | kullervo | wtb addon that splits long lines in tooltips |
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| 03:09.01 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_051216_060845.jpg |
| 03:18.43 | Semlar | maybe just don't have an addon put that much stuff on one line |
| 03:19.01 | nebula | was about to say, easier to ask for that addon to sanitize it's output |
| 03:20.09 | foxlit | You can specify that the line should wrap, anyway |
| 03:20.16 | Semlar | i thought there was a setting to wrap lines |
| 03:20.17 | foxlit | This is entirely someone's fault. |
| 03:23.25 | Semlar | might not be part of AddDoubleLine though |
| 03:24.39 | Semlar | which is weird because it's one of AddLine's arguments |
| 03:25.38 | kullervo | Semlar: the addon's TradeskillMaster though, it's mandatory for a merchant like me :P |
| 03:25.57 | kullervo | my operations just aren't exactly sane a this point |
| 03:26.00 | Semlar | i seem to recall the death recap thing permanently breaking the tooltip because it set a max width for it regardless of its contents |
| 03:26.17 | Semlar | so maybe you can just do that |
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| 03:26.47 | kullervo | didn't the lines just get cut off or overflow? |
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| 04:09.41 | Amarande | kullervo: eh, TSM isn't strictly mandatory, is it? |
| 04:09.57 | Amarande | I usually did just fine with ATSW/Skillet (depending on which was better supported during the expansion concerned) and Auctioneer |
| 04:10.29 | Amarande | usually actually felt like TSM mostly duplicated functionality I was already using other addons for heh |
| 04:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | the UX for TSM makes me uninstall it everytime i install it |
| 04:12.02 | kullervo | the what |
| 04:12.08 | Semlar | interface |
| 04:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | user experience |
| 04:13.14 | kullervo | what in the hell is that |
| 04:13.47 | Mr_Rabies | usability is a big part of UX |
| 04:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's very spartan and none of the options are in a logical place, also the assets used are the worst kind of programmerr art |
| 04:14.50 | FireSiku_ | Some of the addons I loved to use and liked their UI got combined into TSM and I have a huge issue with the interface too. :( |
| 04:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why they didn't just make it look like a wow addon and also maybe follow other addons' designs for settings, etc |
| 04:16.34 | Mr_Rabies | instead it's a total eyesore that takes forever to configure because you have to hunt down every option |
| 04:17.29 | kullervo | because the sort of people to use addons like this couldn't care less what it looks like |
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| 04:18.15 | Mr_Rabies | i guess |
| 04:18.22 | Semlar | that would make sense if people trying to use the addon weren't saying that they couldn't stand its interface |
| 04:18.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably use it it it didn't give me a headache |
| 04:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | it it it |
| 04:18.43 | Mr_Rabies | my brain is just cooked from work today |
| 04:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | 87 degree warehouse, pls |
| 04:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | and its gonna be hotter tomorrow |
| 04:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 04:19.06 | kullervo | C or F? |
| 04:19.11 | Amarande | yeah, there are certain addons that, much as I love them, are annoyingly tedious to configgle |
| 04:19.17 | Amarande | quartz comes to mind |
| 04:19.19 | Mr_Rabies | F, since C would almost definitely kill me |
| 04:19.29 | kullervo | kek |
| 04:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | configuring quartz is basically "turn off 95% of the options" for me |
| 04:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | and then just pick a good bar skin |
| 04:19.57 | kullervo | I once waited for the cops for 2.5h in a ~140F warehouse |
| 04:20.32 | Semlar | sure took their time |
| 04:20.45 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: things like font selection, for instance |
| 04:20.56 | Amarande | you know, for those of us who try to mostly not use friz quadrata |
| 04:20.58 | Semlar | must not have been very high priority |
| 04:21.05 | Mr_Rabies | when police are needed in seconds, they're minutes away |
| 04:21.27 | kullervo | yeah, just a petty thief addict... Who now remembers the place's FUCKED and avoids it |
| 04:23.40 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: why would you even use Quartz anymore, especially if you don't like the "features" |
| 04:23.52 | Mr_Rabies | because i like the 5% of features i use, lol |
| 04:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | the skin, the timer |
| 04:24.11 | kullervo | the skin's compatible with other cast bars |
| 04:24.26 | kullervo | which timer, spell timer? There are alternatives |
| 04:24.34 | Amarande | heh, speaking of police and WoW ... it occurs that the *other* main user of friz quadrata is law & order :) |
| 04:24.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see why i wouldn't, i've used quartz in the same capacity since tbc or so |
| 04:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | i only use it for my own cast bar and turn off the latency stuff and everything other than my own casting |
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| 05:00.50 | Parnic | nevcairiel: got my legion invite |
| 05:03.17 | nevcairiel | it appears all authors that WoWI signed up got in :) |
| 05:03.42 | Parnic | just downloaded, haven't tried. addons enabled yet? |
| 05:03.55 | nevcairiel | yes ,but beta still down until later today |
| 05:04.04 | nevcairiel | re-opens 2pm pdt |
| 05:25.59 | Noshei | not all the author nevcairiel, Cairenn has a few (or maybe just me) that she is sending on friday :( |
| 05:26.12 | Cairenn | Not just you |
| 05:27.00 | Noshei | good to hear everyone else has gotten in though |
| 05:28.45 | Cairenn | Sorry Noshei. You just signed up late. =/ |
| 05:28.50 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:28.56 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 05:29.06 | Semlar | don't encourage that sort of behavior |
| 05:29.16 | Noshei | yeah |
| 05:29.53 | Noshei | maybe I'll get lucky and just get a normal invite sometime before next week |
| 05:31.27 | Cairenn | Stop making me feel like it's somehow my fault that you didn't get in yet. You're the one that didn't sign up for months. >< |
| 05:31.43 | Cairenn | (Yes, deliberately said when he was NOT in channel) |
| 05:31.54 | Semlar | gently pats cairenn |
| 05:32.50 | Cairenn | Making me feel bad isn't fair. |
| 05:32.59 | Elmoe | is there a way yet to package up a legion beta release of your addon and distribute it via curseforge? |
| 05:33.28 | Elmoe | or wow-interface for that matter |
| 05:33.32 | Cairenn | Put it up here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat156.html |
| 05:33.55 | Elmoe | so I have my addon as a project on wow-i already |
| 05:34.02 | Elmoe | can I just update a zip and tag it for legion? |
| 05:34.06 | Elmoe | er upload |
| 05:34.20 | Cairenn | Not yet, sorry |
| 05:34.25 | Elmoe | ah ok |
| 05:34.36 | Elmoe | been giving a few raiders a google drive link for now to help test :/ |
| 05:34.38 | Cairenn | For now it'll have to have it's own upload |
| 05:35.10 | Parnic | any of you fine folks interested in Battleborn but haven't picked it up yet? |
| 05:35.30 | FireSiku_ | I was thinking about trying to have addon works on both live and beta, but thinking about it, that's probably not doable due to the insane changes to certain things like nameplates :/ |
| 05:36.33 | Simca | i only had to add... 22 private.isLegion conditionals to ensure compatibility between live and beta |
| 05:36.44 | Simca | ez |
| 05:36.54 | FireSiku_ | haha |
| 05:37.11 | Semlar | you could just load 2 entirely separate files |
| 05:37.38 | Simca | think of the bytes spend in downloading through, Semlar |
| 05:37.54 | Simca | think of the australians and their 12 KB bandwidth caps |
| 05:38.29 | Semlar | i'm thinking the file size probably wouldn't actually be that much different after compression |
| 05:38.38 | Simca | BYTES |
| 05:38.41 | Semlar | :( |
| 05:43.45 | Parnic | ahhhhhhhhh 43/43 achievements in dark souls 3. phew. |
| 05:44.37 | FireSiku_ | Niiice |
| 05:44.44 | FireSiku_ | I'm missing 6. |
| 05:44.57 | Parnic | huuuuuuuge amount of work |
| 05:44.58 | FireSiku_ | I just finished getting 100% in both version in DS2 though. |
| 05:45.50 | FireSiku_ | The hardest part was getting 30 Sunlight Medal in the version that nobody plays anymore, had to spend a few days farming :( |
| 05:46.21 | Parnic | wolfblood swordgrass is like that in ds3, at least at sl 120. not enough victims to get summoned in, so i had to farm from npcs |
| 05:46.45 | Gethe | Simca: updating RealUI, i currently have 65 isBeta checks >.> |
| 05:46.54 | Simca | buce |
| 05:47.15 | Simca | nice* even |
| 05:47.32 | FireSiku_ | My biggest concern is how oUF is going to be handled between the two versions :/ |
| 05:48.14 | Simca | it's probably best to just branch your code and only port back urgent changes to live at this point, tbh |
| 05:48.40 | Simca | i just use the curseforge repos and any new branches would still push alpha releases and i didn't want to bother with that |
| 05:49.09 | Gethe | oUF is fine p3lim made a PR for it with some changes, which I tested for RealUI |
| 05:49.32 | Parnic | are all regions going to get legion at the same time? historically regions like china have been on old client versions for a while after a big patch |
| 05:50.49 | FireSiku_ | I havent heard any stories of China being incredibly delayed ever since they got a new partner over there. (I think?) |
| 05:54.39 | FireSiku_ | If oUF is handling the beta just fine, then I should be fine and will just pepper a bunch of isBeta ;p |
| 05:58.14 | Amarande | Parnic: c'mon, it can't be as hard as fighting mind flayers and beholders :) |
| 05:58.22 | Parnic | heh |
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| 07:14.11 | haste | I think the PR still lacks some stuff |
| 07:14.22 | haste | changing job next month, so busy with that for a while :P |
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| 07:36.22 | Kalroth | while everybody else is panicking |
| 07:37.12 | Kalroth | "hey i know you only got 14 days left, but we just found out that we forgot to train someone to take over your tasks" |
| 07:56.33 | nevcairiel | "screw you, i'm outta here on my piled up overtime" |
| 07:56.34 | haste | nevcairiel: going to work with elixir and erlang, so kinda need to pick up those two :D |
| 07:57.14 | haste | as well as react/redux, but those es2016 and such is fine |
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| 15:37.30 | VIad | the brawl is amazing :p |
| 15:41.20 | VIad | this guy thought his druid oracle+neutralize deck would kill me before my mage deck of awesome missiles+flamewaker :p |
| 15:41.27 | VIad | he died before I started to fatigue |
| 15:50.18 | FireSiku_ | I tried Wild Growth + Yogg...it had interesting results. |
| 15:52.14 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/KDb3S75p |
| 15:52.53 | foxlit | yeah, apparently I account for most of the localization issues. Either that, or everyone else is using some different localization format. |
| 15:53.26 | FireSiku_ | That sounds great. |
| 15:57.59 | Semlar | globals foxlit |
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| 16:01.25 | Ironii | VIad try ice block + ice lance mage |
| 16:01.35 | VIad | kek |
| 16:01.35 | Ironii | that was annoying... |
| 16:01.47 | VIad | need to rng not get ice block I guess |
| 16:02.09 | VIad | waker combo clears the board though it probably doesnt matter with ice block |
| 16:02.12 | Ironii | only thing he did was use ice block untill he had enough ice lances in his hand |
| 16:02.19 | VIad | ah |
| 16:02.50 | FireSiku | I thought nearly nothing countered Mechwarper+Metaltooth, then I met a Manawyrm FrostNova mage :( |
| 16:03.33 | alestane | Mana Wyrm + Arcane Missiles almost took out my Knife Juggler + Forbidden Ritual, but he ran out of momentum. |
| 16:04.03 | FireSiku | I tried that, had a huge issue with momentum |
| 16:04.33 | alestane | I lost a couple games to the inability to get going early. |
| 16:09.13 | VIad | waker+missiles combo not so good in the larger picture? |
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| 16:40.41 | kullervo | wtf I'm pretty sure I wasn't THIS drunk last night, how'd DBM end up missing from my installed addons o.O |
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| 18:54.46 | Kesava | was there an EU alpha realm? |
| 18:55.01 | Kesava | since now they're just 01 and 03 |
| 18:55.11 | Kesava | which.. makes sense.. |
| 19:00.00 | Kesava | Stanzilla: ! |
| 19:00.17 | Stanzilla | nope always been that way |
| 19:00.27 | Kesava | well i mean, in previous betas |
| 19:00.29 | Kesava | but bah |
| 19:00.31 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 19:00.42 | Stanzilla | yeah I think it was separate but they name changed it during Wod beta or so |
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| 19:45.12 | kd3 | there was never a realm in europe. they were all in LA. |
| 19:45.27 | kd3 | one was just called 'EU' to give the europeans a realm to focus on |
| 19:45.33 | kd3 | but that caused more trouble than it was worth |
| 19:45.58 | Kesava | hm |
| 19:47.36 | Stanzilla | yeah I thought it was only abotu the name |
| 19:50.38 | Yoshimo | is there an official reason why they keep us and eu forums apart? I found it odd during alpha with bugreports that were duplicated all the time |
| 19:50.54 | kd3 | because the auth databases for US and EU are different |
| 19:51.06 | zenzelezz | they're afraid the western Europeans will use too many big words, and the eastern Europeans just speak native |
| 19:51.07 | kd3 | you can create a US trial account (free) and it'll let you post on the US beta forums |
| 19:51.29 | kd3 | ...as long as your bnet account is flagged for beta, that is |
| 19:53.35 | Semlar | should i be concerned that my launcher only has "Alpha: Legion" |
| 19:54.15 | kd3 | no |
| 19:54.22 | Semlar | is this the beta |
| 19:55.16 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742966158?page=6#111 though we're a bit past morning now... |
| 20:18.02 | VIad | I can't trust blizz anymore |
| 20:18.03 | VIad | :p |
| 20:18.24 | VIad | their time announcements are always off - like overwatch lasted like 2 hours before shutting down, 2 hours too late :p |
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| 20:23.41 | VIad | oracle+naturalize druids, 3 of them. won all games so far vs them :p |
| 20:24.18 | VIad | still using my flamewaker missiles combo |
| 20:40.25 | pompy | got the email about the invite to the legion beta test at 11:33pm last night, many hours after it appearing in the client! |
| 20:42.08 | [TOM_RUS] | i've never received any emails, but had invite for a months |
| 20:43.22 | VIad | I still havent gotten an emial |
| 20:43.24 | VIad | email* |
| 20:43.33 | VIad | got one for overwatch way too late and way after it had expired though :d |
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| 20:57.42 | FireSiku | I thought it was 2PM EST, I guess its 2PM PST :\ |
| 20:59.45 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/qyJouYd.png |
| 20:59.48 | Simca | story of my life |
| 21:00.19 | nevcairiel | Should be in 1 minute FireSiku |
| 21:00.25 | nevcairiel | Or well now |
| 21:01.16 | Kesava | they're up zomg |
| 21:02.39 | nevcairiel | Better hurry before it's down again |
| 21:02.50 | nevcairiel | I'm still on the subway on my way home :p |
| 21:03.37 | Torhal | Simca: Single-line if statement without scope braces? Evil. |
| 21:04.01 | nevcairiel | Single line is fine of the statement is clear enough imho |
| 21:04.24 | Torhal | Just bad practice IMO because if you go to add lines below and forget to add the braces... |
| 21:04.32 | Torhal | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 21:04.34 | nevcairiel | Don't forget :) |
| 21:04.35 | Simca | there's also 40 of them back to back so braces would obliterate readability |
| 21:05.03 | Torhal | o.O |
| 21:05.03 | nevcairiel | The forget part really doesn't happen to me, I have an eye for such things |
| 21:05.34 | Torhal | I just never assume others will, so I do it anyway. A habit I keep even when I'm not collaborating. |
| 21:05.38 | Simca | yeah i've made a ton of stupid mistakes in my programming before but forgetting braces isn't one of them |
| 21:06.15 | Simca | I generally don't use them for if-else either, just single line ifs with no alternatives |
| 21:07.54 | Simca | also I really should have just overloaded () so I didn't have to type .Get hundreds of times |
| 21:18.57 | Gnarfoz | 01 or 03? |
| 21:20.15 | Neffi | compiles Semlar with -Onil |
| 21:20.39 | Gnarfoz | 03, apparently, can't get into 01. :P |
| 21:22.32 | nebula | just kicks me back to the login screen for either |
| 21:23.49 | Simca | 03 is the older one |
| 21:23.53 | Simca | probably has more people |
| 21:24.04 | Gnarfoz | older compared to what? |
| 21:24.18 | nebula | didn't everything just get wiped? |
| 21:24.22 | Simca | oh right |
| 21:24.23 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 21:24.26 | Simca | lol |
| 21:24.29 | Kesava | i see they added the self-nameplate thing people kept asking me for (...) |
| 21:24.37 | Semlar | neffi-onii |
| 21:24.38 | nevcairiel | Yep |
| 21:24.44 | Gnarfoz | first alpha build had that |
| 21:24.51 | Gnarfoz | surprised you didn't read about it :D |
| 21:24.54 | Simca | they also removed half the options in the game |
| 21:25.03 | Gnarfoz | that was more recent :} |
| 21:25.26 | Simca | but yes, the HUD will help new players a lot I think |
| 21:25.27 | Kesava | i've avoided reading things |
| 21:25.33 | Kesava | indeed |
| 21:25.43 | Semlar | i'm illiterate |
| 21:25.43 | Gnarfoz | reading is a terrible idea, good point |
| 21:25.44 | Kesava | though really i think they should just improve the unit plates and put them somewhere that isn't |
| 21:25.49 | Kesava | you know. completely useless. |
| 21:26.05 | Gnarfoz | no, I don't know |
| 21:26.07 | Gnarfoz | what do you mean? |
| 21:26.23 | Neffi | do you mean unit frames? |
| 21:26.29 | Gnarfoz | also, totally missed an opportunity to call the new highest graphics preset "11" instead of "10" |
| 21:26.33 | Kesava | unit frames yes |
| 21:27.05 | Gnarfoz | Simca: for every interface option they removed, they added a graphics option :D |
| 21:27.17 | nebula | i keep getting Interface\GlueXML\RealmList.lua:212: attempt to get length of local 'categories' (a nil value) |
| 21:27.38 | Simca | yeah just ignore it |
| 21:27.43 | Simca | they lua gewd |
| 21:27.47 | Simca | there are some errors |
| 21:29.05 | Gnarfoz | that you have to quit the game and re-launch it when you get disconnected and want to use the SSO is kind of annoying |
| 21:30.23 | Gnarfoz | also, CASC bloat... the struggle is real |
| 21:31.50 | FireSiku | bloat? |
| 21:32.28 | Gnarfoz | it still doesn't seem to have any kind of garbage collection |
| 21:33.06 | Gnarfoz | my Legion install is about twice the size of a fresh one |
| 21:33.17 | Gnarfoz | from going through many updates |
| 21:34.02 | Semlar | a fresh install is 36gb |
| 21:34.56 | Gnarfoz | right, I was looking at fresh "live", derp |
| 21:35.01 | Gnarfoz | still, 58 GiB |
| 21:39.18 | foxlit | start randomly deleting data archives? |
| 21:40.13 | Gnarfoz | at that point I could just reinstall, it's not like it takes terribly long. and also not like I need the space. just an observation that their "shiny new" system totally lacks this feature, apparently. |
| 21:46.40 | Kesava | noooooooooo it crashed and i didn't save my keybinds |
| 21:50.37 | nebula | yea, i just got everything setup again and it died ;;;;; |
| 21:51.46 | Gnarfoz | at least you got in :p |
| 21:52.00 | nevcairiel | i was in for like 2 minutes |
| 21:52.28 | Gnarfoz | I did create a char on 03 earlier, then got curious and tried to switch realms to 01, and boom. :P |
| 21:52.28 | g0urra | imagine launch |
| 21:52.43 | nevcairiel | i have a char on 01 |
| 21:52.46 | nevcairiel | well two |
| 21:52.54 | Gnarfoz | well, if they take this as a measuring stick, maybe it wont be terrible |
| 21:53.00 | Gnarfoz | oh hey, login worked, just took 2 minutes ;) |
| 21:58.29 | Gnarfoz | lol, why is Varian talking in a Troll voice |
| 22:03.28 | Gnarfoz | ah, they changed the bnet thing to beta |
| 22:04.11 | FireSiku | Varian be da warchief of da alliance now, mon. |
| 22:06.10 | Gnarfoz | actually... Varian be closer to the Voodoo than ever |
| 22:06.29 | Gnarfoz | I'm sorry... *da Voodoo |
| 22:08.12 | Gnarfoz | no ipv6 on the beta servers, I am disappoint |
| 22:14.29 | Kesava | sooo broken shores still needs a lot of polish |
| 22:14.49 | Kesava | shore* |
| 22:19.26 | Gnarfoz | hm, what is "Target Scan Enemy (Hold)" oO |
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| 22:29.37 | Kesava | wait so you get the vanilla cinematic in which someone dies |
| 22:30.07 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/Yf4Emff.png |
| 22:30.38 | Kesava | .. voice chat in bnet? |
| 22:31.04 | Stanzilla | that is old |
| 22:31.09 | Stanzilla | the authentication stuff is new |
| 22:41.02 | Kesava | well it's new to me |
| 22:41.03 | Kesava | so psh |
| 22:41.13 | Kesava | and there isn't one yet |
| 22:42.04 | foxlit | maybe, one day, I'll be able to be logged into battle.net on both my desktop and my laptop |
| 22:42.46 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 22:42.48 | foxlit | as opposed to this hilarious game of "oops you logged in from elsewhere, click here to reconnect!" |
| 22:43.21 | Stanzilla | now enter your authenticator key |
| 22:43.53 | foxlit | I think I've entered an authenticator key... thrice in the last 12 months? |
| 22:44.42 | Stanzilla | i always get asked when I switch devices |
| 22:45.26 | foxlit | new devices, sure, but I don't get asked when switching to something I've already used in the last (reasonable amount of time). |
| 22:51.49 | Simca | I don't understand why they don't Gnarfoz. the format is nice enough that garbage collection is actually really easy. |
| 22:52.54 | Gnarfoz | perhaps they intended "data mining" to be a feature in Titan and this accumulated data would have been what you dug through! :P |
| 22:52.54 | Simca | just wipe the local journals, and rebuild all the data files using the existing ones as the source and the current build's manifest as a filter |
| 22:53.15 | Simca | it could actually be easily done by a third party tool |
| 22:53.32 | Simca | if they don't start doing it i imagine somebody will make one |
| 22:55.11 | Kesava | never goes well when someone says that |
| 22:56.40 | Stanzilla | I feel like a cripple without oPie |
| 22:59.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/tweed-heads-firies-use-angle-grinder-to-free-mans-penis-from-ring-spanner/news-story/264269a74ea32a6ccd890cfecedb9d5c |
| 22:59.46 | Gnarfoz | why am I not surprised my adblocker straight up refuses to go there? :p |
| 23:01.17 | nebula | don't really need much more than the title to get everything |
| 23:01.46 | Gnarfoz | I'm not entirely sure who the people doing the grinding are, but yeah |
| 23:03.12 | Kesava | apparently "firies" is short for firefighters |
| 23:03.12 | nebula | firies = firefighters |
| 23:03.16 | Kesava | .... on this one article. ever. |
| 23:03.24 | Gnarfoz | 'straya |
| 23:05.18 | Simca | "Standing from a sleeping position with an Orc Female will cause your client to crash" |
| 23:05.25 | Simca | nice. |
| 23:05.36 | nevcairiel | probably broken or missing animation |
| 23:05.39 | nevcairiel | not that crazy |
| 23:05.52 | Simca | yeah i know |
| 23:05.57 | Simca | it's just funny |
| 23:06.07 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: "Alpha-1.7" is still version 1.5.something. versioning is hard |
| 23:06.15 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:07.20 | Gnarfoz | Simca: at least it's not like 5 months ago when certain skeleton models were missing ;p |
| 23:07.32 | Simca | yeah that was awful |
| 23:08.00 | nevcairiel | meh now the world server crashed, i should probably just sleep and try again in the morning |
| 23:08.20 | nebula | yea, i stopped playing after i got things set up |
| 23:08.33 | Gnarfoz | I set everything up, then my character was suddenly gone, derp :D |
| 23:11.49 | Kesava | plugged my phone in and the world server immediately crashed |
| 23:11.56 | Kesava | exploits |
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| 23:13.24 | Gnarfoz | Kesava: that's how kids cheat at LANs these days. |
| 23:16.05 | Kesava | yeah so EK on 01 is just chain crashing |
| 23:16.09 | Kesava | so um. don't go there. |
| 23:16.25 | Kesava | sorry, i need to charge my phone. |
| 23:18.16 | Gnarfoz | are you fucking sorry?! |
| 23:19.46 | Torhal | Don't fuck with Kesava, Gnarfoz. Not if you want your nameplates intact. |
| 23:20.11 | Kesava | yeah i'll put a remote control function in them |
| 23:20.16 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard just got around to replacing their shitfest with great ones after 11 years or so, it'll be fine. :P |
| 23:20.20 | Kesava | that's cool right? |
| 23:20.40 | Stanzilla | system yes, design nope |
| 23:20.44 | Stanzilla | they look like shit |
| 23:20.54 | Stanzilla | that's why you are still welcome here, Kesava |
| 23:20.57 | Mr_Rabies | i kinda like the nameplates as of WoD |
| 23:21.02 | Stanzilla | makenameplateslookgreatagain |
| 23:21.09 | Mr_Rabies | they got very few subtle upgrades but i like them a lot |
| 23:21.10 | Torhal | nameplates Stanzilla in gold. |
| 23:21.18 | Mr_Rabies | i actually uninstalled tidyplates since i didn't really need it anymore |
| 23:21.22 | Mr_Rabies | the aggro stuff, mostly |
| 23:21.23 | Kesava | :D |
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| 23:21.37 | Kesava | yeah they're entirely different from WoD now Mr_Rabies |
| 23:21.49 | Neffi | you can say you TIDIED UP your addons folder |
| 23:21.50 | Gnarfoz | tp has been on vague life support for so long, why would you even use them |
| 23:21.54 | Neffi | high fives Semlar |
| 23:22.08 | Gnarfoz | (also, tptp is what was good, tp was just a means to an end, but tptp has been dead even longer) |
| 23:22.53 | Kesava | maybe i should just plop out knp2 for legion. |
| 23:23.31 | Kesava | regression city |
| 23:23.37 | Gethe | may as well, gunna need a full rewrite anyway |
| 23:24.19 | Gnarfoz | thinks back to the days of "is that even possible" and someone finally doing it ;o |
| 23:27.57 | JTF195 | Is anyone currently planning to make an addon to restore all of the interface options blizzard is removing for no reason? |
| 23:29.04 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:29.09 | Simca | most of us are hoping they will revert the changes |
| 23:29.26 | Simca | since literally all of the feedback has been negative |
| 23:29.29 | Simca | but if it comes to that, yeah |
| 23:30.15 | JTF195 | If history is any indication, I sorta doubt they will |
| 23:30.25 | Kesava | holinka just tweeted a script to run to disable lua errors |
| 23:30.30 | JTF195 | There are a TON of unused cvars nowadays |
| 23:30.33 | Kesava | ... can't really imagine why they disabled that |
| 23:30.35 | Stanzilla | they have a new policy where every option that is used by less than 50% of the userbase, has to go |
| 23:30.36 | Kesava | removed* |
| 23:30.36 | Stanzilla | so yeah |
| 23:30.39 | JTF195 | or, used, but not exposed |
| 23:30.40 | Stanzilla | cant get any more retarded |
| 23:31.02 | JTF195 | Did they actually come out and say that specifically? |
| 23:31.19 | Stanzilla | not publicly |
| 23:32.07 | JTF195 | I think maybe someone should make said addon anyway, simply because of how many options they've already removed on live |
| 23:32.58 | Simca | i imagine some existing addon will just expand to handle what is removed, like leatrixplus |
| 23:33.09 | JTF195 | That was my thought |
| 23:33.21 | JTF195 | It already has a couple of cvar toggles |
| 23:33.24 | Simca | and there will probably be a new one made to simply restore the removed ones that is lightweight |
| 23:34.27 | JTF195 | but i also have one addon whose only function is setting SkyCloudLOD to 3 |
| 23:34.35 | JTF195 | So i imagine we'll see some of those |
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| 23:36.47 | Kesava | you just don't understand the artistic vision |
| 23:42.07 | Gnarfoz | almost can't believe the game went a full expansion without nameplate addons |
| 23:42.24 | Gnarfoz | (or rather, a full non-expansion, whatever. :P) |
| 23:43.00 | Simca | well you could just write addons to play the game for you back then |
| 23:43.04 | foxlit | meh, filedata textures are officially terrible. |
| 23:43.11 | Simca | don't need nameplates if you don't have to play the game |
| 23:43.50 | Simca | whatcha talking about, foxlit? |
| 23:43.55 | Simca | TextureFileDataIDs? |
| 23:44.04 | Gnarfoz | kind of true, but also automating vanilla gameplay seems rather pointless anyway. :P |
| 23:44.18 | Simca | pushing frostbolt was hard |
| 23:44.51 | foxlit | :SetToFileData basically being renamed to :SetTexture and the associated changes. |
| 23:45.28 | Simca | you can still reference blizzard assets by filename afaik |
| 23:45.41 | foxlit | That does not make it any less terrible. |
| 23:45.55 | Simca | how is it terrible if nothing changes |
| 23:46.08 | foxlit | Quick, is 123202 an icon? |
| 23:46.53 | Simca | ChickenSkinBlack.blp |
| 23:47.01 | foxlit | too late, Simca, you're already dead. |
| 23:47.07 | Simca | lol |
| 23:47.18 | Simca | i imagine it's a texturefiledataID anyway |
| 23:47.31 | Simca | because they probably aren't using chicken skins as UI textures |
| 23:48.39 | foxlit | also, having two ways to refer to the same texure without the ability to translate between them is terrible. |
| 23:50.39 | Simca | yeah idk why they don't expose that information ingame |
| 23:51.09 | Simca | it would seriously take just 2 api functions - C_FileData.GetName(id), C_FileData.GetID(name) |
| 23:51.27 | Simca | I guess it's because they removed filedata from the client |
| 23:52.05 | Simca | so the binary doesn't even understand how to get from ID -> name |
| 23:52.38 | foxlit | Doesn't matter. |
| 23:52.50 | foxlit | Reverse the name -> ID map if you have to; it'd take like 3 lines of code. |
| 23:52.53 | Simca | (name -> ID works because jenkinshash(name) -> HashToIDMap -> ID) |
| 23:53.20 | Simca | game binary only knows IDs and namehashes now |
| 23:53.34 | Simca | they're still shipping filedata but the game client can't read it |
| 23:54.06 | foxlit | exportinterfacefiles art works, yeah? |
| 23:55.02 | Simca | oh, that explains why they never switched over those DB2s to filedataIDs like everything else then |
| 23:55.18 | Simca | ManifestInterfaceData.db2 still has FilePath and FileName |
| 23:56.05 | Simca | honestly, it contains all of the file names addon authors would care about, every file in Interface\* is there |
| 23:56.13 | Simca | they could just expose that |
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| 23:59.05 | foxlit | but well, whatever. I could just pretend that icons are the only thing that exists in that context. |
