| 00:31.05 | Simca | >fits on a screen |
| 00:31.11 | Simca | the main foxlit-metric of code quality |
| 00:31.41 | Simca | "have they optimized vertical code space to a ridiculous degree? yes = good; no = bad" |
| 00:32.52 | Simca | to be fair the current code i'm working through at work has random spots where the previous programmer just fell asleep on his enter key or something. at one point, there are EIGHT line breaks in a row in the middle of a function with no apparent purpose |
| 00:33.00 | Simca | and it drives me nuts |
| 00:45.03 | foxlit | Simca: it's mainly that "fits on a screen" is usually also "short enough to reason about" |
| 00:45.29 | Semlar | pycharm yells at me about PEP 8 conventions if i try to insert more than a couple blank lines |
| 00:48.32 | Semlar | foxlit i think you can just read 4 bytes from offset 0, 4 bytes from offset 4096, 4 bytes from 8192, 4 bytes from 12288 |
| 00:49.13 | foxlit | well, if that works, it works. |
| 00:49.52 | Simca | if 'read the file' means 'I read the file into a byte array in memory earlier and now i am parsing it', that sounds like a great idea |
| 00:49.54 | Semlar | and just repeat that until the first 16kb are filled |
| 00:50.04 | Simca | otherwise, your lock on that file is the worst thing ever while you jump around in it lol |
| 00:50.57 | foxlit | I stopped thinking about it, hence that last chunk of "copy this over there" instructions. |
| 00:51.05 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:51.34 | Semlar | memcpy's foxlit onto simca |
| 00:52.29 | foxlit | meh, the OS surely has its own buffer somewhere. |
| 00:52.47 | foxlit | What's a few thousand fseeks between friends? |
| 00:52.52 | Simca | lol |
| 00:53.59 | Simca | tries to delete Semlar.blp; permission denied - this file is in use in Semlar.exe. |
| 00:54.32 | Semlar | doesn't call f.close() |
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| 03:16.12 | Elmoe | Do the "curse points" only get awarded to the primary owner of a project on curseforge? |
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| 03:17.29 | nebula | Elmoe: it's up to the project manager for how they are distributed |
| 03:17.49 | Elmoe | hah |
| 03:17.53 | Elmoe | ok thanks |
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| 08:41.52 | Semlar | remember the name |
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| 10:12.52 | VIad | a.s.d.Semlar: got into legion yet? |
| 10:13.05 | Semlar | no |
| 10:21.17 | PhatsoTGT | was there another wave? |
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| 10:41.55 | alexfoo | Hi all! I'm trying to do a weak aura that should show the cast time of Wrath, but GetSpellInfo() returns the wrong time. Same lua snippet works for Starfire, but not wrath. Anything really stupid that I'm not understanding correctly? |
| 10:42.05 | alexfoo | I've tried with both spellid and spell name |
| 10:42.37 | alexfoo | http://pastebin.com/G0hYi5hW that is what i'm trying |
| 10:43.10 | Semlar | multiply it by your haste? |
| 10:43.16 | alexfoo | It returns 5.18, but it should be something like 1.84 |
| 10:43.38 | alexfoo | Semlar: starfire version shows the same as tooltip |
| 10:43.59 | PhatsoTGT | alexfo also use Select(X,GetSpellInfo()) |
| 10:44.12 | PhatsoTGT | X is the specific variable you want to extra |
| 10:44.16 | Semlar | wowpedia says cast time is the 4th return |
| 10:44.37 | PhatsoTGT | that way you dont have to have all those underscores |
| 10:45.14 | Semlar | should just be local _, _, _, ct = GetSpellInfo(5176) |
| 10:45.17 | alexfoo | Semlar: you are correct sir! cut and paste error :/ |
| 10:45.26 | alexfoo | thanks |
| 10:45.34 | alexfoo | PhatsoTGT: i'll look into that! thanks |
| 10:45.41 | Semlar | select is a lot slower |
| 10:45.49 | Semlar | so just use it for convenience |
| 10:45.49 | PhatsoTGT | goddamnit Semlar |
| 10:45.58 | PhatsoTGT | its a goddamn weakaura |
| 10:46.06 | Semlar | all the more reason not to use it |
| 10:46.34 | Semlar | this is probably being called on update |
| 10:47.06 | PhatsoTGT | once a cast i assume? |
| 10:47.28 | PhatsoTGT | although no |
| 10:47.54 | Semlar | there's almost never any reason to use select |
| 10:48.14 | Semlar | unless you just really want to |
| 10:51.45 | Gnarfoz | there's also (function()) but I'm not sure if that's just syntax sugar (and if so, for what) |
| 10:53.37 | Semlar | putting parentheses around a function call? |
| 10:54.08 | Semlar | it evaluates to the first return |
| 10:55.00 | Semlar | so if you did print(GetSpellInfo(5176)) it would print all of the returns, whereas print((GetSpellInfo(5176))) would only print the first one |
| 10:56.28 | Gnarfoz | I know what it *does* or I wouldn't have mentioned it in this context |
| 10:57.03 | PhatsoTGT | Semlar i dont if this is relevant but if you do print(Frame:GetRect()) it prints all 4 returns |
| 10:57.13 | PhatsoTGT | oh |
| 10:57.17 | PhatsoTGT | 2 brackets |
| 10:57.30 | Gnarfoz | question is, is it maybe just syntax sugar for select(1, function()) and hence, not great to use for the same reasons |
| 10:57.56 | Semlar | that's not what select(1) does though |
| 10:58.04 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 10:58.07 | Gnarfoz | I know |
| 10:59.00 | PhatsoTGT | you guys saw this? https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4hsruo/enjoy_1_fps/ |
| 11:00.29 | Gnarfoz | https://www.lua.org/pil/5.1.html mentions it, so apparently it's a built-in feature and not a translation to anything else |
| 11:00.40 | Gnarfoz | (like abc:foo is) |
| 11:05.54 | Xinhuan | hi friends! last 28 hours of my game's kickstarter project! have a look if you are interested :) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13978330/masquerada-songs-and-shadows |
| 11:06.49 | Semlar | that's an oddly specific goal |
| 11:07.03 | Xinhuan | 45k? lol |
| 11:07.17 | Xinhuan | it translates to about 3 months |
| 11:07.22 | Semlar | okay well it's $64,714 in USD |
| 11:07.31 | Xinhuan | for a studio of 15 people |
| 11:08.10 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's converting it from another currency |
| 11:08.23 | Xinhuan | yeah, it will eventually convert to singapore dollars |
| 11:08.48 | Xinhuan | kickstarter only allows project launching from about 10 or so countries |
| 11:09.11 | Xinhuan | and uses that country's currency |
| 11:09.23 | Xinhuan | USD is partciularly bad because of double taxation to bring money out of US |
| 11:10.51 | Xinhuan | (to singapore) |
| 11:11.02 | Semlar | DAWN OF THE SECOND DAY |
| 11:12.03 | Semlar | do you get an ocarina? |
| 11:35.53 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 11:36.13 | Semlar | but majora's mask neffi |
| 11:36.29 | Neffi | but ocarina was the better game Semlar |
| 11:37.23 | Neffi | I'm tired Semlar. Can I go back home and sleep? |
| 11:37.26 | Semlar | no |
| 11:37.32 | Semlar | it's time to get up |
| 11:37.34 | Neffi | :( |
| 11:37.43 | Neffi | why can't I just get paid for playing video games? |
| 11:38.54 | Gnarfoz | you're not good enough |
| 11:39.35 | Neffi | did you just tell me to git gud? |
| 11:40.02 | Semlar | well first you have to find somebody willing to pay you to play video games |
| 11:40.16 | Semlar | maybe |
| 11:40.19 | Neffi | Yeah, that's the hard part |
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| 11:50.54 | znf | This is going to be a stupid question, but comes from a silly client, so... Is there a ftp daemon that can auth with samba users? |
| 11:52.17 | Gnarfoz | depends on what your Samba is configured to do, I guess |
| 11:52.35 | Gnarfoz | probably not directly, but if you go through PAM, chances might be better |
| 11:58.08 | Gnarfoz | https://medium.com/@hackupstate/improving-angular-performance-with-1-line-of-code-a1fb814a6476 am I misunderstanding this post? if I'm looking at a website and it has thousands of elements with "ng-scope" or "ng-isolate-scope" classes on them, then that website didn't turn off debugging in AngularJS, right? |
| 12:04.48 | nevcairiel | sounds like a dumb default in angular imho =p |
| 12:05.33 | Gnarfoz | of course, 2.x doesn't do it this way |
| 12:05.54 | nevcairiel | but yes, it would appear to indicate this |
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| 12:29.48 | Gnarfoz | that's what I thought... maybe the dev guy who answered when I posted this in Slack was just having a bad day |
| 12:30.10 | Gnarfoz | claiming that that's a construct of Angular without which it can't work |
| 12:31.06 | Gnarfoz | and replying to "well, the article and docs say otherwise, am I misunderstanding them?" with "so change it", ignoring both that I'm not a developer at all and that that's not an appropriate response :P |
| 12:31.20 | Gnarfoz | well, I made some JIRA tickets. :shrug: |
| 12:31.40 | Gnarfoz | if they don't want a free performance boost, fuck them |
| 12:32.46 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | 3 more sleeps! |
| 12:49.12 | karl_w_w | until? |
| 13:09.24 | Gnarfoz | until no sleeps are left |
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| 13:34.36 | mckenziemc | gives Lopeppeppy a GameShark. |
| 13:39.57 | Semlar | alright foxlit how'd i do http://i.imgur.com/qTEzIpm.png |
| 13:41.23 | foxlit | well, that's better than most of my intermediate results. |
| 13:41.40 | Semlar | i have a feeling the "decodeDXT5" function i copied doesn't quite work |
| 13:41.47 | foxlit | except of course you have the exact same image repeated four times. |
| 13:41.48 | Semlar | at least not how i expected it to |
| 13:42.47 | Semlar | i at least managed to get the same result as the bin you sent me, so i know it's right up to that point |
| 13:44.27 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/j7pzw9gZ that's the function i wrote to unscramble it |
| 13:47.12 | foxlit | that looks a lot more sane. |
| 13:47.40 | Semlar | i don't know, i kind of liked the idea of randomly interleaving parts of the image and cleaning it up later |
| 13:49.20 | Semlar | python may even have a way to simplify this to like one line, but i don't know if there's something similar to zip that lets you mix more than 1 character from each array |
| 13:49.49 | Semlar | it would probably just make it harder to read anyway |
| 13:50.56 | foxlit | well, that ship has pretty much sailed at [megablock_offset + block_offset + read_offset:megablock_offset + block_offset + read_offset + slice_length] |
| 13:51.01 | Semlar | lol |
| 13:52.21 | Semlar | it looks like this dxt5 function only wants "one row" of data at a time |
| 13:57.05 | PhatsoTGT | can i overwrite lua functions created in FrameXML ? |
| 13:57.52 | foxlit | ~cani |
| 13:57.53 | purl | You can do anything you put your mind to! https://goo.gl/hDNx6i |
| 13:59.07 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.24 | mckenziemc | in other words, yes, although some parts of the UI may have already bound the original as an upvalue |
| 13:59.39 | Semlar | i've made it worse |
| 13:59.54 | mckenziemc | insemlarates Neffi. |
| 14:01.15 | Semlar | maybe i'll just write my own decode function |
| 14:01.56 | foxlit | with blackjack? |
| 14:02.03 | Semlar | yes |
| 14:03.17 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/N53DIgD.png :O |
| 14:21.25 | foxlit | grats! |
| 14:21.39 | Gnarfoz | what are you even trying to achieve, Semlar |
| 14:21.45 | Gnarfoz | is this just mental exercise? |
| 14:22.23 | Semlar | it's for a website i'm working on |
| 14:23.11 | Semlar | although it probably doesn't hurt to learn some things while i'm at it |
| 14:24.30 | Gnarfoz | the best reason to learn something |
| 14:26.45 | Semlar | foxlit is 0xff the proper thing to replace the alpha channel with |
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| 14:29.06 | Semlar | seems to work at any rate |
| 14:29.47 | foxlit | shouldn't be asking me, it depends entirely on what your output code interprets the alpha channel as. |
| 14:30.04 | foxlit | and I haven't seen your output code :P |
| 14:31.17 | Semlar | this library actually theoretically has a dxt5 decoder, but the DDS module won't open a headerless image |
| 14:31.42 | Semlar | https://github.com/python-pillow/Pillow/blob/master/PIL/DdsImagePlugin.py |
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| 14:32.54 | foxlit | I don't speak python, but can't you just pull def _dxt5(data, width, height): out of there and use that? |
| 14:33.05 | Semlar | that's actually what i did |
| 14:33.30 | Semlar | i'm going to go through it though because it has some stuff that isn't necessary |
| 14:35.32 | Semlar | and i need it to be able to output these with the alpha channel enabled and disabled, so i'll add an option for that |
| 14:36.15 | Semlar | when it has an alpha channel, the color for that pixel is still in the image right? |
| 14:36.26 | Semlar | even if it's completely transparent |
| 14:37.13 | Semlar | i wonder if html5 supports disabling the transparency |
| 14:44.26 | Semlar | i bet three.js has something crazy i could use |
| 14:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | How is it almost lunchtime? Aaargh. |
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| 15:49.26 | Fisker | triplehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Jelly-bear! Still in one piece? |
| 15:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Fisker. 3 more sleeeeps! |
| 15:52.12 | Fisker | I know! |
| 15:53.38 | karl_w_w | has this meme gone too far? https://i.imgur.com/sqCwfwP.png |
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| 16:19.49 | nebula | what is not dead may never die |
| 16:21.49 | foxlit | some part of my internet connection randomly kills tcp sessions :/ |
| 16:22.54 | foxlit | (without actually losing overall connectivity) |
| 16:23.25 | foxlit | Which results in awkwardness like being disconnected from the wow world servers (no spellcasting for me) but not the chat server |
| 16:23.32 | foxlit | wow takes the longest time to notice this. |
| 16:25.32 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 16:25.33 | Fisker | i |
| 16:27.07 | foxlit | hello Fisker; u. |
| 16:27.19 | Fisker | no! |
| 16:27.27 | Fisker | You can't do that foxlit |
| 16:27.48 | foxlit | I believe I just did. |
| 16:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | *le gasp* |
| 16:28.46 | Fisker | :O |
| 16:32.07 | PhatsoTGT | wdamn |
| 16:57.04 | Stanzilla | wdamn |
| 16:59.30 | PhatsoTGT | shit |
| 17:00.12 | PhatsoTGT | theres no way to apply a padding onto ChatFrame1 right? |
| 17:01.16 | PhatsoTGT | or change the color of a blank edgefile? |
| 17:02.47 | Semlar | change the color of a blank edgefile..? |
| 17:03.46 | PhatsoTGT | well thats a shit solution |
| 17:04.23 | Semlar | your question makes no sense |
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| 17:07.25 | PhatsoTGT | well i applied my Backdrop directly to ChatFrameX which leaves me with scrollingmessageframe that has no padding which looks weird |
| 17:07.41 | nevcairiel | so make the backdrop slightly larger |
| 17:08.29 | Semlar | or apply the backdrop to something else |
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| 18:08.46 | zenzelezz | that relief when someone reminds you tomorrow is a public holiday |
| 18:15.27 | kullervo | yep. Double pay. Woo. |
| 18:19.26 | Simca | double pay? oh, like if you opt to work anyway you get paid a second time? |
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| 18:41.16 | kullervo | It's just a regular day for me, of course I prefer to inflate my average hourly salary so the other things that inflate it are higher |
| 18:42.52 | kullervo | I used to get â¬20 extra for signing up for an unscheduled shift, now it's â¬30 |
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| 19:18.19 | PhatsoTGT | is CombatLogQuickButtonFrame retarded? |
| 19:34.06 | Gnarfoz | are you? |
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| 19:55.24 | PhatsoTGT | When i do something OnInitialize out of Ace3 Addon, does that mean its executed before or after blizzard loaded the default UI ? |
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| 20:12.41 | Stanzilla | oninitialize is addon_loaded afaik |
| 20:13.03 | PhatsoTGT | ye i got it tho |
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| 20:27.33 | PhatsoTGT | also am i retarded or have CHatTabs more Height when they are docked to the GDM ? http://imgur.com/a/VW15V |
| 20:29.13 | foxlit | Wha you are being is obnoxious. |
| 20:30.06 | foxlit | Kindly stop using the word retarded as punctuation. |
| 20:30.48 | FireSiku | At first I thought that was harsh, but I actually completely agree. |
| 20:31.13 | Torhal | Well, he did use the word "retarded" six times since this morning. |
| 20:32.25 | PhatsoTGT | sorry mom |
| 20:32.38 | PhatsoTGT | but seriously? is that a known behavior? |
| 20:35.02 | foxlit | probably not, because nobody really cares about how chat tabs work, and everybody who might have had a reason to care probably figured out the answer on their own. |
| 20:35.40 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
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| 21:06.15 | gOurra | Gnarfoz |
| 21:06.24 | g0urra | wait nvm |
| 21:06.52 | Gnarfoz | g0urra: sup |
| 21:06.53 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:07.12 | g0urra | we have a overwatch premade but we want preferrably swedes |
| 21:07.14 | g0urra | sorry |
| 21:09.29 | Gnarfoz | :C |
| 21:09.36 | Gnarfoz | premade matchmaking penalty is annoying anyway |
| 21:09.39 | Gnarfoz | takes ages |
| 21:09.45 | g0urra | what do you mean penalty |
| 21:09.57 | Gnarfoz | it preferably (VERY preferably) matches you against other full premades |
| 21:10.01 | Gnarfoz | or partial premades |
| 21:10.06 | Gnarfoz | so it takes longer |
| 21:10.20 | g0urra | not really |
| 21:10.32 | Gnarfoz | well, it did last night (and the last 6 months, too) |
| 21:10.44 | Gnarfoz | playerbase is increasing now, tho :D |
| 21:10.57 | g0urra | yee |
| 21:12.21 | Gnarfoz | also, just under 2 hours until the floodgates open ^^ |
| 21:12.51 | g0urra | what languages do you know? |
| 21:13.24 | g0urra | Gnarfoz |
| 21:13.27 | Gnarfoz | I'm with guildies anyway |
| 21:13.31 | g0urra | >:( |
| 21:13.34 | Gnarfoz | english and german |
| 21:13.43 | g0urra | ok denied |
| 21:15.10 | foxlit | ah, hm, open beta. |
| 21:15.22 | Gnarfoz | 1:45 until "really open" |
| 21:18.31 | foxlit | I'm curious; did people here regularly play team shooters before, or is it just blizzard launch hype? |
| 21:19.20 | Gnarfoz | I played CS way back when (before WoW) |
| 21:20.05 | Gnarfoz | also "before"... I've been playing OW for the last 6 months ^^ |
| 21:24.54 | FireSiku | Imo, its because its because team fortress 2 is without a doubt a sucessful game, and OW is TF2+Blizzard |
| 21:25.07 | bshelden | purl, have a cookie |
| 21:25.07 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 21:25.43 | Gnarfoz | OW is so much more than just TF2, though :P |
| 21:27.43 | FireSiku | Friend of mine who plays TF2 said that in just the past month, they got more update and community content than in the previous 4 years. |
| 21:27.55 | FireSiku | I have a hunch they're scared and realized they have a community. |
| 21:28.17 | nevcairiel | tf2 is free though, so scared of what |
| 21:29.05 | foxlit | losing players, nevcairiel. |
| 21:29.25 | foxlit | it's not like being free means tf2 won't take your money :P |
| 21:29.34 | FireSiku | ...The whole open beta hype kinda made me forget OW isnt free to play. |
| 21:30.03 | Gnarfoz | gotta buy more hats |
| 21:30.11 | Stanzilla | blizzard hype always works |
| 21:30.43 | FireSiku | I was so hyped for Warlords :( |
| 21:30.59 | Gnarfoz | the launch was all kinds of fun! :D |
| 21:31.15 | Gnarfoz | worst launch so far, by a good margin, too :D |
| 21:31.48 | nevcairiel | it worked after 3 days or so, and you could just go and do duingeons in the meantime |
| 21:32.12 | Gnarfoz | considering dungeons weren't giving xp at the start... |
| 21:32.12 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:32.25 | foxlit | dunno about warlords hype. |
| 21:32.29 | nevcairiel | i was quick enough leveling to not be blocked there |
| 21:32.43 | Gnarfoz | well, our realm was kind of crowded |
| 21:32.53 | Gnarfoz | realm with biggest queues in .de |
| 21:33.09 | nevcairiel | but i enjoyed warlords for the first few weeks like usual, the real shortcomings only showed then |
| 21:33.21 | FireSiku | The warlords launch wasn't as bad as MoP launch imo. That stupid initial quest where you have to shoot a ship without shared credit was really annoying |
| 21:33.33 | Gnarfoz | at least after that, it worked |
| 21:33.52 | Gnarfoz | but we couldn't see NPCs farther than 3 meters for at least 2 days :D |
| 21:34.02 | nevcairiel | well huge realms are problematic =p |
| 21:34.27 | nevcairiel | really excited for legion though, from what i've seen so far they remedied a lot of the complaints from warlords |
| 21:34.31 | FireSiku | I'm on a low pop RP realm! D: |
| 21:34.37 | nevcairiel | even professions seem midly interesting |
| 21:34.38 | FireSiku | It was still bad. |
| 21:35.01 | FireSiku | Yeah, and honestly, I really enjoy the diablo-inspired features they're adding. |
| 21:37.07 | FireSiku | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16123728/WoW/WoWScrnShot_092512_031821.jpg |
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| 21:37.19 | foxlit | I kind of want the combination of progression content + automatic matchmaking to actually work. |
| 21:37.34 | Stanzilla | OW is another rushed release sadly |
| 21:37.44 | Stanzilla | but Blizzard hype makes the sales happen :D |
| 21:38.04 | foxlit | It's been really sad in WoD LFR, and everything else is "you must gather a group!" |
| 21:38.18 | Stanzilla | get friends |
| 21:38.26 | nevcairiel | every software is released before its "done", or nothing would ever be released |
| 21:38.29 | nevcairiel | get a grip on reality, man! |
| 21:38.48 | Stanzilla | I have |
| 21:38.49 | foxlit | friends come with schedules and obligations. |
| 21:38.52 | Stanzilla | and I played OW a lot |
| 21:38.54 | Stanzilla | did you? |
| 21:38.57 | Gnarfoz | rushed release lol Stanzilla |
| 21:39.18 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: it is |
| 21:39.27 | Gnarfoz | it's been in development for how many years? |
| 21:39.31 | Gnarfoz | the term just doesn't apply. |
| 21:39.41 | foxlit | like 2? |
| 21:40.02 | nevcairiel | its been publicly previewed the first time like 2 years ago, development much much longer |
| 21:40.05 | foxlit | not that I'm paying attention, but I thought the story was that OW is what became of scrapped titan. |
| 21:40.11 | Stanzilla | the release is too early for the state of the game |
| 21:40.19 | Stanzilla | it's another case of marketing guy picks release date |
| 21:40.28 | Gnarfoz | no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:40.40 | Stanzilla | me or foxlit |
| 21:40.43 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: it is what followed Titan, it isn't Titan |
| 21:40.53 | Gnarfoz | it's just what some of the guys who worked on Titan before did afterward |
| 21:41.06 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: you |
| 21:41.22 | Stanzilla | competitive mode being removed for release certainly counts as not ready |
| 21:41.37 | Gnarfoz | only if you're an annoying "pro" gamer |
| 21:41.46 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 21:41.47 | Gnarfoz | who are the people that caused it in the first place. |
| 21:42.21 | nevcairiel | having one mode re-scheduled for later instead of the entire game delayed seems like the much better option to me |
| 21:42.30 | Stanzilla | every game without a competitive community dies fast |
| 21:42.47 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: the question was really whether anyone else worked on OW before titan was scrapped :) |
| 21:42.51 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: they could have fixed a lot more stuff along the way and extended open beta for it |
| 21:42.54 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: nope |
| 21:42.59 | Stanzilla | foxlit: none |
| 21:43.27 | nevcairiel | .. because they cant fix things while the beta is shut down? =p |
| 21:43.41 | Stanzilla | obviously more testers find more bugs |
| 21:44.05 | Gnarfoz | their forums wer efull of reports |
| 21:44.08 | Gnarfoz | that went without action |
| 21:44.16 | Gnarfoz | not sure MORE reports would have changed anything |
| 21:44.22 | Stanzilla | maybe also could have upped the tick rate for non competitive games and test how that works with their infra |
| 21:44.27 | Stanzilla | because 23 is still low as fuck |
| 21:44.36 | Gnarfoz | says who |
| 21:44.46 | Stanzilla | a lot of people an me? |
| 21:44.51 | Gnarfoz | it's in their godd damn heads |
| 21:44.57 | Stanzilla | not really no |
| 21:45.09 | Stanzilla | if it was that great they would not have changed it for competitive mode |
| 21:45.30 | nevcairiel | of course it is, would be fun if they claimed its been doubled without changing a thing, and people actually reporting improvement :p |
| 21:45.49 | Gnarfoz | they want it because it has "better" numbers |
| 21:45.56 | Stanzilla | certainly not |
| 21:45.59 | Gnarfoz | and they're drawing from experience of other games |
| 21:46.37 | Stanzilla | sure they did because other games had the same problem |
| 21:46.39 | nevcairiel | FPS players are generally odd weirdos about such numbers, I admined LAN tournaments for years, I've seen them all =p |
| 21:46.40 | Stanzilla | and had to be fixed |
| 21:47.55 | Gnarfoz | in b4 1000 Hz tickrate |
| 21:59.14 | Arrow|work | nevcairiel: i was an attendie and had to take over server management at a lan and the cs players were the worst |
| 21:59.58 | nevcairiel | "does your server run a 1000Hz kernel?" |
| 22:00.11 | Arrow|work | worse than that |
| 22:00.34 | Arrow|work | 'you need to run set tickrate 100 on the server its unplayable right now' |
| 22:00.51 | Arrow|work | its a fucking linux box i cant do that without a new kernel you dumbshits |
| 22:00.56 | Arrow|work | and its not my box |
| 22:01.06 | Gnarfoz | you can set the srcds/hlds tickrate without a new kernel |
| 22:01.15 | Arrow|work | this was cs1.6 |
| 22:01.22 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 22:01.31 | Gnarfoz | guess why I said hlds |
| 22:01.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:01.51 | Arrow|work | i did that and they still bitched because they could 'see the server settings' |
| 22:02.31 | Arrow|work | it was a small lan anyway |
| 22:02.51 | Arrow|work | and like i said was just an attendie |
| 22:02.55 | Gnarfoz | well, that's what I said |
| 22:02.59 | Gnarfoz | they can see it, so it must be bad |
| 22:03.52 | Gnarfoz | blizz should up the transmit rate (wait, they already did recently) and discard the extra packets server-side :p |
| 22:04.22 | kullervo | today's out of context quote: "doesn't work if I push it raw in the terminal" |
| 22:04.24 | nevcairiel | from what I read, they use around 60Hz server tickrate and the only thing limited to 20 is the client update rate |
| 22:04.29 | Stanzilla | you guys just fanboy way too hard, as if blizz was some sort of holy grail of game dev and never does anything wrong |
| 22:04.46 | Arrow|work | *cough*d3ah*cough* |
| 22:04.59 | kullervo | I thought everyone here knew blizzard fails at most everything |
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| 22:05.28 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: we're just not that much into esoterics |
| 22:05.47 | Gnarfoz | or rather, we don't care, it works fine for us. |
| 22:05.58 | Stanzilla | apparently also not fps games :D |
| 22:06.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, nice try. |
| 22:06.10 | nevcairiel | the thing is, tickrates are not comparable between fps games, since their netcode differs |
| 22:06.25 | Gnarfoz | their netcode video goes pretty deep into why they chose such a comparatively low tickrate |
| 22:06.34 | nevcairiel | how much the tick impacts things depends entirely on the interpolation and lag compensation algorithms |
| 22:06.39 | Gnarfoz | (and send rate/update rate, which they already upped anyway) |
| 22:07.56 | Gnarfoz | also, I don't see a need to resort to hyperbole like "rushed release" when one minority of players thinks they need a higher server tickrate or the game is totally unplayable |
| 22:08.11 | Stanzilla | I did not even use that |
| 22:08.25 | Stanzilla | I said the removed game mode is something that should have been done before release |
| 22:08.33 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 22:08.42 | Stanzilla | and that a longer open beta could have been used to play around different server settings with a higher user load |
| 22:09.09 | nevcairiel | they had plenty stress tests to test... drumroll... stress! |
| 22:09.20 | Gnarfoz | I bet they can extrapolate that just fine. :D |
| 22:22.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.27 | Gnarfoz | aha |
| 22:30.02 | Gnarfoz | did they remove the shot helm/cloak ui functionality with no ui functionality replacement? |
| 22:30.13 | Gnarfoz | someone told me you can only do that through xmog now |
| 22:30.30 | nevcairiel | a lot of options got condensed out |
| 22:30.42 | nevcairiel | personally i've been using an addon to add a checkbox to the paperdoll frame for years now |
| 22:30.43 | Gnarfoz | well, the functions seem gone, too |
| 22:30.44 | pompy | did they add a new hide armor too? |
| 22:30.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, shoulders |
| 22:31.05 | foxlit | might be rolled into transmog? |
| 22:31.06 | Gnarfoz | but apparently not through the previous means? |
| 22:31.17 | Gnarfoz | that's what I said, just wanted to confirm if that's really true |
| 22:31.36 | foxlit | hands Gnarfoz a giant "NOT IN THE ALPHA" sign. |
| 22:31.49 | Gnarfoz | spanks foxlit with it |
| 22:32.07 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: so ShowHelm(false) no longer works? |
| 22:33.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, does nothing |
| 22:33.33 | Gnarfoz | not even an error, hmm maybe I have errors of |
| 22:33.35 | Gnarfoz | +f |
| 22:33.48 | FireSiku | If its only done through xmog now, that's going to be really sad, I toggled Show Helm a lot while RPing. |
| 22:34.00 | pompy | well this is from february http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20741984122 |
| 22:34.08 | pompy | no idea if they ever enabled it since |
| 22:34.34 | Gnarfoz | my helm is visible |
| 22:34.36 | nevcairiel | I'm sure he would've noticed it helmets are generally disabled everywhere =p |
| 22:34.51 | pompy | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/wow-legion-beta-invites/ |
| 22:35.07 | nevcairiel | I'll try to find a way to replace it when I get in =p |
| 22:37.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: Message: [string "ShowHelm(false)"]:1: attempt to call global 'ShowHelm' (a nil value) |
| 22:37.47 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 22:38.03 | nevcairiel | when they decided to add a third slot, they probably thought having dedicated functions for that would be silly |
| 22:38.33 | Gnarfoz | it moves it from a UI feature to a gameplay thing, though :| |
| 22:39.43 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: only at xmog guy and via transmog ui yeah |
| 22:40.12 | Stanzilla | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743444381?page=1 :D |
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| 22:43.20 | nevcairiel | kind of makes sense to fold it into the mog |
| 22:43.34 | nevcairiel | for RP reasons people could still unequip it i suppose |
| 22:43.50 | FireSiku | Yeah, I suppose, or acquire two of the same item. |
| 22:45.11 | nevcairiel | i generally always have my cloaks turned off, they just look odd on me |
| 22:45.32 | Gnarfoz | yo |
| 22:46.10 | FireSiku | haha, Show Lua errors is now forced on. |
| 22:46.58 | FireSiku | oh nvm, people in the thread are unsure if forced on or forced off |
| 22:47.12 | nevcairiel | its not forced anything, the option is just not exposed |
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| 22:58.59 | Gnarfoz | zomg overwatch update! |
| 22:59.09 | Gnarfoz | probably to enable open beta for the unwashed hordes |
| 22:59.21 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 22:59.27 | Gnarfoz | (I think it just gained a "C" at the end of the version number) |
| 22:59.43 | Gnarfoz | also, it's too hot in here, maybe I should dial down the graphics details. :P |
| 23:00.10 | Gnarfoz | speaking of which, the main menu screen uses more gpu than the actual game, what's up with that :D |
| 23:00.23 | nevcairiel | oddly enough that happens to many games |
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| 23:08.54 | Gnarfoz | oh, main menu now has a "buy overwatch" button at the bottom,heh |
| 23:10.00 | FireSiku | Sure is |
| 23:12.13 | Gnarfoz | what is? |
| 23:14.23 | kullervo | yes |
| 23:14.33 | kullervo | I can confirm it is |
| 23:19.05 | FireSiku | Sigh, client didnt scroll down all the way. "probably to enable open beta for the unwashed hordes" was what i was refering to. Because I'm part of the unwashed hordes. |
| 23:20.51 | Neffi | applies a liberal amount of adhesive to Semlar |
| 23:21.02 | Neffi | applies Torhal's cats to semlar |
| 23:21.23 | Semlar | i have become more powerful than you could possibly imagine |
| 23:21.35 | Neffi | yes. |
| 23:22.17 | FireSiku | why would you do that? |
| 23:22.26 | Neffi | because I can |
| 23:22.33 | bshelden | Poor kitties :( |
| 23:23.14 | Neffi | its OK he has plenty of spares |
| 23:24.27 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.38 | Torhal | ties nevcairiel to Amarande, then applies super glue. |
| 23:24.44 | Torhal | Neffi! Not nevcairiel! |
| 23:24.52 | Semlar | what have you done |
| 23:24.55 | Torhal | I missed hitting the "f" before I hit tab :/ |
| 23:25.13 | FireSiku | Now that's jsut evil. |
| 23:25.23 | Neffi | :( |
| 23:25.27 | Neffi | that is not nice |
| 23:25.32 | Neffi | Torhal is a big meanie |
| 23:25.42 | Torhal | Well, he did say "he has plenty to spare" about my cats. |
| 23:25.48 | Neffi | :/ |
| 23:25.52 | Neffi | well its not untrue |
| 23:26.07 | Torhal | No. |
| 23:26.11 | Torhal | No spares. |
| 23:26.15 | Neffi | oh |
| 23:26.17 | Neffi | :( |
| 23:26.18 | Torhal | Fucker. |
| 23:26.23 | Torhal | stabs Neffi with mckenziemc. |
| 23:27.33 | Neffi | explodes |
| 23:29.12 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.37 | Neffi | I'm on mobile Semlar |
| 23:29.45 | Semlar | that's too bad |
| 23:31.27 | mckenziemc | immobilizes Neffi. |
| 23:31.34 | foxlit | softbank dog best dog, Semlar. |
| 23:32.39 | Semlar | oi oi oi |
| 23:33.11 | pompy | https://na.alienwarearena.com/ |
