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| 06:16.55 | mckenziemc | hugs mckenziemc and Cairenn. |
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| 06:18.02 | mckenziemc | got more hugs than Fisker. |
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| 11:02.17 | VIad | I can't believe this |
| 11:02.58 | VIad | free money! http://ss.bool.no/capture_1461754973.png |
| 11:03.19 | VIad | I can buy a second GPU for sli with that money |
| 11:04.06 | Gnarfoz | you can buy an entire PC with that money, too. |
| 11:05.15 | nebula | he's a pastor! has to be legit |
| 11:05.17 | VIad | was thinking I could spend some of it on other things |
| 11:05.28 | VIad | christians can't lie |
| 11:06.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure I can lie |
| 11:10.45 | VIad | jesus will lazerbeam your soul if you do |
| 11:10.52 | VIad | eternal hell for lying christians |
| 11:10.55 | karl_w_w | http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/horrifying-video-emerges-showing-nauru-refugee-setting-himself-on-fire-20160427-gog0gx.html |
| 11:10.58 | karl_w_w | 'straya |
| 11:11.22 | Gnarfoz | VIad: why does my first name mean I can't lie? you're strange. :P |
| 11:11.33 | VIad | :P |
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| 12:06.29 | foxlit | it... is snowing. |
| 12:06.45 | Torhal | What is it? |
| 12:07.59 | Kalroth | foxlit, hurry outside and make a snow angel |
| 12:08.57 | foxlit | Torhal: apparently, the weather. |
| 12:11.09 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.30 | Torhal | Heh. |
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| 13:48.37 | karl_w_w | oh baby, a good deadpool rip has hit bittorrent |
| 13:48.59 | karl_w_w | not that I would engage in copyright infringement, of course |
| 13:49.38 | Torhal | trademarks karl_w_w. |
| 13:49.50 | karl_w_w | now to find a rip that is bigger than 1 GB and smaller than all the gigabytes |
| 13:50.46 | Gnarfoz | just grab the 1080p BD rip scene release and be done with it |
| 13:51.38 | karl_w_w | I want it to finish this year |
| 13:59.24 | Gnarfoz | get faster interwebs, then |
| 14:07.18 | mckenziemc | forces Gnarfoz to use dial-up internet for the rest of the year. |
| 14:07.43 | nevcairiel | i dont even have a landline anymore, how would that work |
| 14:09.34 | mckenziemc | with a new landline |
| 14:10.08 | nevcairiel | dont think they would actually allow me to go back |
| 14:10.18 | nevcairiel | they want to get rid of the analog landlines |
| 14:11.05 | mckenziemc | not sure that really matters |
| 14:11.17 | mckenziemc | how would a landline phone work? |
| 14:11.51 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i actually read the other day that they actually need to get rid of all the old analog and isdn lines on a box before they can even switch it to vectoring, but not sure if true |
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| 14:12.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, kind of true |
| 14:13.03 | nevcairiel | which presumably is part of why it takes so long to switch |
| 14:13.14 | nevcairiel | need to tell people to replace their hardware |
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| 14:13.52 | nevcairiel | (or install some kind of converter on their line, but that seems even more annoying) |
| 14:14.14 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder how going to Annex J ADSL2+ helps them, though |
| 14:14.22 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't include vectoring |
| 14:14.33 | Gnarfoz | but uses the entire spectrum for DSL |
| 14:14.47 | Gnarfoz | isn't that worse than a POTS or ISDN line that doesn't? |
| 14:14.57 | Gnarfoz | (or might not even carry DSL at all) |
| 14:15.15 | nevcairiel | why would that be worse |
| 14:15.37 | Gnarfoz | because more used spectrum = more interference, the entire reason vectoring exists |
| 14:15.43 | Gnarfoz | i.e. to combat interference |
| 14:16.09 | nevcairiel | well certainly better than having another signal on the line that may pose interference |
| 14:16.13 | Gnarfoz | if anything, they should force people onto vectoring, to improve its efficiency |
| 14:16.17 | foxlit | spent the last 5 minutes retyping and resetting a password before realizing I remapped a key. |
| 14:16.18 | kullervo | if the cabling us good it doesn't matter as much |
| 14:16.28 | Gnarfoz | kullervo: huh? |
| 14:16.41 | kullervo | Good cabling doesn't suffer from interference |
| 14:16.41 | Gnarfoz | how does a good or bad line cause different degrees of interference |
| 14:16.55 | Gnarfoz | I'm curious what you define as "good" |
| 14:17.02 | kullervo | higher category |
| 14:17.07 | Gnarfoz | CATEGORY? lol |
| 14:17.15 | Gnarfoz | we're talking about shitty copper pairs here |
| 14:17.20 | Gnarfoz | telephone lines |
| 14:17.24 | Iriel | Bad cabling/bad lines cause a lot more noise = more power required = more flakiness and faster equipment failure. |
| 14:17.25 | kullervo | Yes, doesn't matter. |
| 14:17.31 | Gnarfoz | sure matters. |
| 14:17.48 | nevcairiel | also Gnarfoz didnt we talk about the PoP when you got switched to BNG? mine has gotten ... longer |
| 14:17.53 | Gnarfoz | there's 100, 500 or even 1000 pairs of unshielded copper wire in a bundle |
| 14:18.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you get switched? |
| 14:18.06 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:18.10 | nevcairiel | but it was pretty short then |
| 14:18.12 | nevcairiel | now its rather long |
| 14:18.13 | Gnarfoz | but it still got worse? |
| 14:18.14 | Gnarfoz | heh |
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| 14:18.23 | Gnarfoz | paste a traceroute if you're bored, I'm curious |
| 14:18.32 | kullervo | What Isp doesn't have fiber to nearest block |
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| 14:18.43 | Gnarfoz | uhm, it's about the last mile? |
| 14:19.04 | Iriel | kullervo: AT&T |
| 14:19.06 | Gnarfoz | which is certainly longer than a mile |
| 14:19.13 | kullervo | and yes I just now thought about the ground cabling |
| 14:19.22 | kullervo | my brain had blocked the memory |
| 14:19.32 | Gnarfoz | yeah, never mind, discussing internet connectivity on the internet is pointless unless talking amongst people from the same country. everyone makes different assumptions. |
| 14:19.37 | nevcairiel | HMBR86-se800-B226E1811E03EJ |
| 14:19.43 | Semlar | yoink |
| 14:19.43 | nevcairiel | rumors are that J means BNG, but i dont trust that |
| 14:19.57 | nevcairiel | but the J probably should be in front |
| 14:19.57 | Gnarfoz | I don't think it's /that/ J |
| 14:20.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 14:20.40 | nevcairiel | also tracert to where? =p |
| 14:20.55 | mckenziemc | antarctica |
| 14:20.57 | kullervo | the only thing I remember about those cables is the fact they can stand up four feet high without support due to their thickness and that the grease require some really nasty stuff to clean |
| 14:21.04 | karl_w_w | vectoring doesnt combat interference as a whole, it attempts to eliminate crosstalk |
| 14:21.25 | nevcairiel | crosstalk is a big problem if you have hundreds of unshielded pairs next to each other |
| 14:21.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: good point... somewhere. eu.battle.net :D heise.de |
| 14:21.35 | mckenziemc | i think that's what gnarfoz meant, but he's from a different country... |
| 14:21.46 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 14:21.49 | Torhal | deports mckenziemc from everywhere. |
| 14:22.16 | karl_w_w | safely removes mckenziemc before launching him into space |
| 14:22.22 | mckenziemc | extirpates Torhal. |
| 14:22.29 | Gnarfoz | mckenziemc: right, crosstalk is the main target, external interference is another beast entirely... I guess I was using the wrong word to begin with |
| 14:22.51 | karl_w_w | and I believe every line has to be vectored |
| 14:23.01 | karl_w_w | if some are and some aren't it wont work properly |
| 14:23.24 | nevcairiel | it does, which is why its such a big deal, since they cant rent those lines to other providers anymore |
| 14:23.28 | nevcairiel | hence other providers complaining |
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| 14:23.50 | Gnarfoz | that's what I meant - they're not vectoring every single line, so why does switching people from POTS or ISDN to Annex J ADSL2+ help them |
| 14:24.02 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: http://pastebin.com/JdcTeqfu |
| 14:24.38 | karl_w_w | adsl2+ can be really fast |
| 14:24.53 | karl_w_w | for dsl anyway |
| 14:25.19 | Gnarfoz | "For DSL anyway" is a joke |
| 14:25.34 | Gnarfoz | in any case, they're switching from ADSL2+ Annex B to Annex J |
| 14:25.45 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: in many countries DSL is a joke as they are cable-centric |
| 14:25.49 | nevcairiel | personally i consider cable a joke |
| 14:25.51 | nevcairiel | but what can you do |
| 14:26.22 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I know, "DSL is slow" is such a typical USian (and I guess some other places) sentiment |
| 14:26.26 | karl_w_w | http://www.internode.on.net/media/images/internode-adsl2-dist07.jpg |
| 14:26.56 | Gnarfoz | switching from Annex B to J just gives them the bottom frequency range that is otherwise reserved for POTS/ISDN |
| 14:27.06 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how that helps them at all :D |
| 14:27.06 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i suppose its easier in smaller countries with higher density |
| 14:27.11 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 14:27.17 | End | makes sense |
| 14:27.27 | Gnarfoz | DSL started out with really crappy range, coaxial TV cables have far better range |
| 14:27.40 | Gnarfoz | but cable is shared medium, so... |
| 14:27.46 | nevcairiel | i do wonder why cable suffers from such extremely crappy upload rates |
| 14:27.47 | karl_w_w | what is the split usually on what frequency is used for DSL and for pots? |
| 14:27.59 | nevcairiel | is that a tech limit or just cable company being dick |
| 14:28.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: because it's shared medium and wasn't designed with traffic flowing in that direction at all |
| 14:28.25 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: depends on what standard the operator uses |
| 14:28.41 | End | modem radios going haywire is probably more of a concern |
| 14:28.46 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w:Â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.992.3_Annex_J |
| 14:29.04 | Gnarfoz | End: is a concern in which scenario? |
| 14:29.05 | karl_w_w | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/ADSL_annex_overview.svg |
| 14:29.12 | End | on cable |
| 14:29.15 | End | but then again |
| 14:29.21 | karl_w_w | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ADSL_annex_overview.svg |
| 14:29.26 | karl_w_w | including the key would be useful |
| 14:29.26 | End | I know they put in filters to deal with some haywire stuff |
| 14:29.26 | Gnarfoz | going haywire when, I mean |
| 14:29.46 | End | I don't know why stuff goes haywire |
| 14:29.54 | Gnarfoz | what does it even mean |
| 14:30.11 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: all German ADSL is either Annex B or Annex J |
| 14:30.23 | End | sending signal on the wrong range, or sending too high of a signal, stuff like that |
| 14:30.26 | karl_w_w | I would guess that extra frequency in Annex J is worth about 1 megabit on its own |
| 14:30.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: does fritz box still show the upstream spektrum for you? mine seems to have vanished... |
| 14:30.44 | karl_w_w | whether there is an added benefit from not having interference I have no idea |
| 14:30.55 | Semlar | foxlit do you know anything about reversing compiled lua |
| 14:31.08 | Gnarfoz | they don't really care about providing customers more bandwidth, though... |
| 14:31.18 | Gnarfoz | IMHO it's for their grand plan of modernizing their network |
| 14:31.28 | Semlar | the tool i have to do it generates quite a lot of unnamed upvalues that aren't particularly helpful |
| 14:31.32 | karl_w_w | in australia everything is annex M or A |
| 14:31.35 | Gnarfoz | which will be entirely ipv6-based, through the whole stack |
| 14:31.39 | karl_w_w | A is by far most popular |
| 14:32.19 | Gnarfoz | (that grand plan is quite fascinating, really. they're aiming to get rid of many of the ancient "exists because it used to be a phone network" crap) |
| 14:33.02 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hm, no it doesn't. seems to have vanished. I think that's happened before, though and it came back at some point? |
| 14:33.26 | nevcairiel | well at least its not just me then :D |
| 14:33.32 | foxlit | Semlar: locals don't have names. |
| 14:33.50 | Semlar | yeah but these aren't local and i don't know what they're referring to |
| 14:36.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel:Â http://pastebin.com/akvn1LqY |
| 14:36.36 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: was that the POP from the "log"? mine is Breitband-PoP: BADJ02 |
| 14:37.01 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: you seem to generally have one less hop in telekom land |
| 14:37.04 | nevcairiel | and yes from the log |
| 14:37.15 | Gnarfoz | ok yeah |
| 14:37.24 | Gnarfoz | certainly still the old stuff for you, then |
| 14:37.52 | Gnarfoz | I think heise is not a super great example, I think there were more obvious ones, but I don't remember what I compared back then |
| 14:38.14 | nevcairiel | i tried google.de, but its trace looked oddish, probably some special deal somewhere |
| 14:38.16 | Gnarfoz | also v6 route is 3 hops longer than v4, kind of bad |
| 14:38.27 | Gnarfoz | yeah Google uses anycast, forget them |
| 14:40.13 | Gnarfoz | End: devices sending on wrong frequencies, at wrong power levels... that certainly sounds like completely broken devices. those standards are pretty well specified, should be close to impossible for a healthy device to do the wrong thing oO |
| 14:41.35 | End | I'm not sure if it's actually an issue for the cable modems...I know it definitely comes up with the set top boxes though |
| 14:42.19 | End | I know there's one problem set top box model that likes to drift over time |
| 14:42.19 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 14:42.56 | End | (I'm more familiar with cable tv tech than cable internet) |
| 14:43.03 | Gnarfoz | how does splitting out the cable TV signal from the network signal work anyway, on cable (DOCSIS) |
| 14:43.13 | End | different frequency ranges |
| 14:43.17 | Gnarfoz | obviously |
| 14:43.22 | Gnarfoz | but how are they separated |
| 14:43.24 | Gnarfoz | do they even split it out? |
| 14:43.43 | End | what do you mean, split it out? |
| 14:43.43 | Gnarfoz | or do they just tell TV receivers "don't go to that frequency, it's not a TV signal" |
| 14:43.58 | End | something like that |
| 14:44.03 | Gnarfoz | End: non-Annex J DSL uses some kind of frequency splitter to separate POTS/ISDN from DSL |
| 14:44.13 | Gnarfoz | was wondering if Cable did something similar |
| 14:44.14 | End | cable is not terribly different from over the air in some ways |
| 14:44.16 | nevcairiel | tv probably has that too |
| 14:44.40 | nevcairiel | or its just a frequency tvs are not commonly using |
| 14:44.43 | End | yeah |
| 14:44.48 | nevcairiel | what could happen if it tried, nothing bad really |
| 14:44.59 | Gnarfoz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSL_filter never seen them in this particular shape in .de, but you get the idea. they're just band filters. |
| 14:46.06 | nevcairiel | ours look really nice compared to that crappy dlink device |
| 14:46.11 | nevcairiel | imho =p |
| 14:46.13 | End | keep in mind, unlike POTS, cable doesn't have any direct human interaction with it, so as long as things stick to their frequencies, everything is fine |
| 14:46.20 | End | and now that I think about it |
| 14:46.28 | End | yeah filters get used |
| 14:46.57 | End | but they're installed by techs outside the customer |
| 14:47.08 | End | and that's to deal with previously mention misbehaving hardware |
| 14:48.09 | End | eventually everything will just be fiber anyway though |
| 14:48.12 | Gnarfoz | such hardware wouldn't get the necessary regulatory approval here |
| 14:48.25 | Gnarfoz | hah, that's a very long timeframe "eventually", though |
| 14:48.54 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what you mean by "human interaction", though...? |
| 14:48.58 | nevcairiel | at least around here efforts to put fiber everywhere arent that strong =p |
| 14:49.08 | Gnarfoz | (also a great out of context quote) |
| 14:49.45 | End | your plain old phone? I guess I don't have a good understanding there though |
| 14:50.41 | nevcairiel | biggest german ISP is still banking on their copper lines and IPTV, and the cable providers dont seem to be spreading fiber around either |
| 14:50.43 | Gnarfoz | what's the "human interaction" there? it's just signal on the line, like any other signal |
| 14:51.09 | End | and the movement for fiber, at least in cable land, is that the actual cable keeps shrinking and being replaced by fiber to increase the amount of bandwidth available...eventually they won't have any cable left to replace |
| 14:51.19 | End | yeah I suppose you're right |
| 14:51.27 | End | also disclaimer: I do work for a cable company |
| 14:51.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, to some degree all of them are. the only way they can reasonably increase capacity to sell more contracts is by moving their backbone (and hence, fiber) ever closer to the customer. both DTAG and the Cable guys are doing it, it's just not terribly obvious to the consumer |
| 14:52.42 | Gnarfoz | Cable keeps on splitting their segments, which each segment being connected via fiber. That also reduces the "shared medium" problem every time they do it. And on the DSL front, well, VDSL. ^^ |
| 14:52.54 | nevcairiel | well sure FTTC is the only way to keep the copper network viable |
| 14:53.15 | nevcairiel | but its billions cheaper than FTTH or FTTB |
| 14:53.20 | Gnarfoz | it's the only one financially viable unless you have a money printer in the basement ^^ |
| 14:54.05 | mckenziemc | investigates Gnarfoz. |
| 14:54.09 | nevcairiel | i dont know what requirements they have for VDSL2, at those speeds I might wager any areas that have it already have FTTC |
| 14:54.24 | Gnarfoz | I wish our dumbass politicians would go further than just claiming "50 Mbit/s for everyone by 2018!" and actually mandate stuff like "gotta use fiber if you build new multi-tenant buildings" |
| 14:54.44 | End | yeah I guess the last replacing "the last 20 feet" or whatever of copper or cable is where it ends up getting interesting |
| 14:54.59 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: hm? VDSL1/2+ *is* FTTC |
| 14:55.02 | Gnarfoz | or what are you saying |
| 14:55.21 | nevcairiel | well i wasnt sure, but then i am right =p |
| 14:55.22 | Gnarfoz | end: that's going to happen last... very last. probably not even in our lifetimes. :D |
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| 14:56.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: speaking of which... http://www.golem.de/news/nordrhein-westfalen-deutsche-telekom-beginnt-mit-micro-trenching-fuer-glasfaser-1604-120547.html |
| 14:56.52 | Gnarfoz | (long slug is long) |
| 14:57.13 | Gnarfoz | oh yeah, I recall now... I tried the traceroutes with Backblaze back then |
| 14:57.22 | End | I think we'll see it, but probably enough other things will be probably be changing in the tech landscape that changes the equation completely somehow |
| 14:57.45 | End | I'm not smart enough to even try to speculate how or what |
| 14:57.56 | Gnarfoz | just 7 hops to their datacenter. super short route. heise.de is the same amount of hops, Hetzner is 3 more. go figure. |
| 14:58.27 | Gnarfoz | and the second hop is already across the atlantic - that's the really crazy part |
| 14:59.15 | Gnarfoz | (and judging from the latencies, it's straight from here to the west coast. wonder how that is possible. :D) |
| 14:59.19 | nevcairiel | for me its the third hop that goes over the atlantic |
| 14:59.28 | nevcairiel | two local ips |
| 14:59.34 | Gnarfoz | hm, I did subtract the fritzbox from that count |
| 14:59.48 | nevcairiel | but yeah a pretty short tracert for transatlantic |
| 15:00.17 | Gnarfoz | global routing like that must be a fun/crazy task |
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| 15:08.20 | sylvanaar | I can't believe I missed the author beta, what was I doing? |
| 15:09.18 | End | can you not still sign up for it? Â I don't think anyone has been invited as a result of it yet anyway. |
| 15:09.30 | sylvanaar | Oh really? |
| 15:09.38 | nevcairiel | indeed, blizzard hates authors |
| 15:09.46 | End | a few people got in, but it seems they got in via random waves |
| 15:09.47 | nevcairiel | they rather invite random players all the time |
| 15:10.13 | Ressy | Curse hasn't even set up their author invites.. |
| 15:10.20 | Ressy | Kaelten was supposed to start that this week. |
| 15:10.35 | Ressy | But, maybe Cairenn knows status of WoWInterface invites? |
| 15:10.40 | nevcairiel | so, in june then? |
| 15:12.07 | Ressy | shrugs |
| 15:12.11 | Ressy | Just reminded Bryan |
| 15:13.33 | nevcairiel | not that it matters much for us, they didnt invite wowi people yet and we're on that list already, and they dont want to get on Cairenn's bad side by inviting curse signups earlier =p |
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| 15:19.31 | Fisker | Cairenn doesn't have a bad side! |
| 15:29.31 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: you don't want to find out if that's true, though |
| 15:30.34 | VIad | I one saw Cairenn's dark side. I blacked out and forgot a week worth of memories. |
| 15:31.01 | nevcairiel | i was really hoping they would finally invite us after enabling the addons, but another week came and went |
| 15:31.20 | VIad | dw we get in a week before 7.0 launches on live :p |
| 15:33.37 | nevcairiel | there wil be public 7.0 ptr before that =p |
| 15:33.41 | VIad | :D |
| 15:33.56 | VIad | at this rate the 7.0 ptr is out in july? |
| 15:34.23 | nevcairiel | we dont know what patch date they are targeting, ie. how long they want the preevent to go on for |
| 15:37.10 | End | hm, has the "preevent" ever been anything other than a month (or at least, the patch on going live?) |
| 15:37.21 | End | not that they couldn't do something different, of course... |
| 15:37.56 | nevcairiel | 4-6 weeks typically |
| 15:39.33 | nevcairiel | but most prevents have also been utterly boring |
| 15:40.17 | nevcairiel | WoD had like one quest line you did and throwing UBRS in there? I forgot what MoP had. Cata had the theramore scenario, and being randomly killed by deathwing, anything I forget? =p |
| 15:40.31 | End | wotlk probably had the most memorable |
| 15:40.35 | VIad | wotlk was most memorable |
| 15:40.36 | VIad | :D |
| 15:40.39 | nevcairiel | zombies everywhere! |
| 15:40.41 | VIad | 3rd faction |
| 15:40.42 | End | yeah |
| 15:40.45 | VIad | spoke even ghoul language |
| 15:41.36 | nevcairiel | the broken shore intro scenario and the world invasions sounds like it could be a bit bigger than previous ones |
| 15:42.14 | End | I think the echo islands/gnomeregan stuff was what MoP had |
| 15:42.42 | End | I vaguely remember it being around for a limited time, but I might be misremembering when it was |
| 15:42.50 | nevcairiel | or wait, theramore scenario was mop |
| 15:42.56 | nevcairiel | what did cata do then |
| 15:43.18 | VIad | DW killing people |
| 15:43.19 | End | there was a quest chain in scholzarhwateverIcan'tspell basin I vaguely remember |
| 15:43.35 | nevcairiel | twilight cult and elemental invasion |
| 15:43.35 | VIad | didnt we do deadmines too? |
| 15:43.47 | nevcairiel | and yeah gnomeregan and echo isles |
| 15:44.04 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/guide=cataclysm&prelaunch |
| 15:44.13 | End | ah |
| 15:44.26 | nevcairiel | mop was boring with just the one scenario |
| 15:44.32 | nevcairiel | and wod was also not that interesting |
| 15:44.59 | nevcairiel | offering UBRS at 90 was just a bonus because they had nothing else =p |
| 15:49.05 | VIad | fun fact: still not seen the UBRS rare in heroic mode |
| 15:50.25 | VIad | you are now wowheading "what rare in ubrs?" |
| 15:52.44 | nevcairiel | i forgot its name, but also didnt see it yet |
| 16:00.45 | VIad | hmm... didnt you get a yoggsaron? |
| 16:00.59 | VIad | got the HS patch today |
| 16:01.01 | VIad | opened the packs and all |
| 16:01.06 | VIad | saw I dont have a yoggsaron |
| 16:01.07 | Fisker | It's cthun |
| 16:01.11 | VIad | ah right |
| 16:04.44 | VIad | I disenchanted all the nerfed cards |
| 16:04.48 | VIad | easy 6k dust :p |
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| 16:30.27 | VIad | brann+yogg combo resulted in 2 minutes animations :p |
| 16:30.45 | VIad | iceblock + brann ready, then unleash yogg |
| 16:31.00 | VIad | in case yogg leaves you at 1 hp :p |
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| 16:49.37 | VIad | got 3 legendary from my 50 pack |
| 16:49.43 | VIad | got 3 legendary from the win 2 games packs ,_, |
| 16:49.50 | Ironii | >.< |
| 16:50.08 | kullervo | maybe I should go win 3 games for mad rewards, don't even have the mount yet |
| 16:50.17 | kullervo | how hard is it without cards? |
| 16:50.28 | VIad | :p |
| 16:50.50 | VIad | I dunno but some of these decks are kind of pay to win |
| 16:50.55 | VIad | when playing the low ranked :p |
| 16:51.05 | VIad | like this armor warrior combo, got like 50 armor easy mode |
| 16:51.13 | VIad | cthun based armor deck |
| 16:51.20 | kullervo | isn't there a mode that doesn't require having cards |
| 16:51.27 | VIad | unsure |
| 16:51.47 | VIad | not aware of a "no paid cards" mode |
| 16:52.11 | nevcairiel | i think the wins for the mount can be against the innkeeper |
| 16:52.59 | VIad | ah that mount |
| 16:54.33 | kullervo | still about 35 mounts short of the last achievement anyway |
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| 16:58.37 | VIad | kullervo: is there an end?! |
| 16:58.47 | VIad | assumed they just added 50 more mounts for the next tier each major patch :p |
| 16:59.13 | kullervo | 300 |
| 17:02.55 | VIad | ah btw the blizz built "serve the old gods" deck for warrior |
| 17:02.59 | VIad | can probably get pretty sick :p |
| 17:03.04 | VIad | tweaked a bit too |
| 17:06.25 | FireSiku | I'm playing the Blizz built Yogg Mage deck, I love it. Replaced a few cards though. |
| 17:06.35 | FireSiku | Servant of Yogg is now my favorite card |
| 17:07.39 | VIad | people use "wow" for "sorry" :p |
| 17:07.45 | VIad | at least in my games |
| 17:08.25 | FireSiku | I dont get it, they removed Sorry for being mostly used sarcasticly or for BM, they replace it with wow, which is 10 times more BM |
| 17:08.38 | FireSiku | Because if you were impressed, you generally used Well Played anyway. |
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| 17:09.10 | VIad | :p |
| 17:10.34 | VIad | "Impressive!" |
| 17:11.04 | VIad | Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive Impressive ... |
| 17:13.04 | Trela | IMPRESSIVE?! |
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| 17:20.21 | FireSiku | This goddamn tavern brawl.... |
| 17:20.30 | FireSiku | My opponent got two Kel'Thuzad in his deck :\ |
| 17:23.35 | VIad | its not up yet for me, 3 more hours |
| 17:23.56 | VIad | yesterday I couldn't play my paladin murloc deck because I had to do that in wild format - but the expansion didn't hit EU until today :P |
| 17:24.10 | VIad | so I couldn't play a deck that was totally legal pre expansion |
| 17:24.21 | VIad | some US dev hardcoded the date probably |
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| 17:31.06 | VIad | at least it wasnt end of month too |
| 17:31.15 | VIad | otherwise some legendary aiming players in EU would rage :P |
| 17:32.47 | FireSiku | Well, yeah it was hardcoded, if you moved your system clock, the game would let you open the "locked" 50 packs. But after the explosion, nothing would happen, because the server was like "wait, this isnt the time yet!" |
| 17:32.56 | VIad | :D |
| 17:33.04 | VIad | but the server told me I couldnt play using my deck |
| 17:33.16 | VIad | I assume because there was a delay before it stopped me |
| 17:33.53 | Cairenn | I've got another email in to Blizz trying to figure out where things stand on getting you guys invited. *frustrated* |
| 17:34.08 | VIad | thanks mama Cairenn |
| 17:34.40 | VIad | nevcairiel and foxlit will be very happy |
| 17:35.06 | Cairenn | I'll be happy when they finally start inviting you guys. This is stupid. |
| 17:35.15 | nevcairiel | we agree, thanks for poking them Cairenn :) |
| 17:35.25 | Cairenn | You're welcome. |
| 17:37.57 | VIad | cancelled my netflix |
| 17:38.03 | VIad | sub for years |
| 17:38.08 | VIad | but now :( |
| 17:38.17 | VIad | feels very stale and not much I actually like, follow and watch on it |
| 17:38.26 | bshelden | I'm canadian and CBA to mess with proxy bingo |
| 17:38.44 | VIad | well they did remove VPN and I used a friends to appear from the US but |
| 17:39.01 | VIad | since the nerf I kind of lost interest as EU didnt have many series I wanted to watch |
| 17:39.06 | VIad | and EU is usually far behind on seasons |
| 17:39.07 | bshelden | I have a bit of server space in the states and can go that route, but meh. Not worth the effort. |
| 17:39.18 | VIad | might as well sub and try viaplay |
| 17:39.28 | VIad | norwegian based streaming, I get a chromecast on the buy :p |
| 17:39.38 | bshelden | I figure the content producers don't want to sell me the content, so fine, they don't get my cash. |
| 17:39.39 | pompy | VIad: and the sub cost went/going up too |
| 17:39.49 | VIad | well sub cost wasnt a big deal for me |
| 17:39.52 | VIad | 8 to like 9? |
| 17:39.55 | pompy | yeah small |
| 17:39.56 | VIad | the "premium" sub is like 12 |
| 17:40.38 | VIad | viaplay costs $12 |
| 17:40.45 | VIad | but has series from US |
| 17:40.54 | VIad | and offline mode, and built in HD mode, e.g. |
| 17:55.30 | VIad | my friend wants to cancel his legion preorder |
| 17:55.46 | VIad | because he loves BM hunters and now they force him to have some artifact related pet as main pet |
| 17:56.01 | VIad | and he only wants to have his personal pet that he wants to use out and not the special one |
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| 17:56.21 | VIad | I understand since he is more RP lore guy and just wants to have fun by playing how he wants |
| 17:56.37 | VIad | but if blizz force you like "you must have two pets out, and one of them is this wolf" then yeah thats kind of lame |
| 17:56.45 | VIad | or if they penalize you if you dont spawn the wolf one, e.g. |
| 17:59.34 | bshelden | I can see that as frustrating. A few xpacks ago I made peace with the fact that you pick one of their visions, not your own. I play (single player) elder scrolls games for my own roles. |
| 18:00.04 | bshelden | Legion is much more harsh about that. The flip side to "focusing on the class fantasy" is that you're playing one of their fantasies. Full stop. |
| 18:00.18 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:00.24 | VIad | it's nice to play like story |
| 18:00.46 | VIad | but if beast mastery forces you to must have pet X because story |
| 18:00.58 | VIad | then it kind of counters the RP element, forcing you to play their fantasy hero |
| 18:01.03 | bshelden | Yep |
| 18:01.04 | VIad | not your hero their story, but their hero and story |
| 18:01.36 | VIad | and sadly my friend is a hunter player so there is no chance he will stick around if they make it into something he dont like |
| 18:01.37 | bshelden | It happens quite a bit, and it's not obvious how to tell what you're going to get (Example: Mass Effect) |
| 18:02.02 | bshelden | My circle of friends has reached the point where we play the single player RPG episode, then do other things. |
| 18:03.42 | VIad | so BM hunter artifact forces you to have Hati the Wolf |
| 18:03.56 | VIad | they made it so you can spawn your own pet as secondary, but not remove Hati |
| 18:04.05 | VIad | and they add pets back to MM to try satisfy people |
| 18:04.21 | VIad | but if you want to be a beast person MM is not the way to go ,_, |
| 18:04.28 | bshelden | Uh.... aaaaand now I"m marks |
| 18:04.29 | VIad | friend wants a fox and to be BM |
| 18:04.38 | bshelden | Cause that's... that's not a thing I'll deal with either. |
| 18:05.02 | VIad | MM is a different playstyle less focused on pets so if you want to focus on pets you go BM :p |
| 18:05.04 | bshelden | Taking away weapon choice annoyed me. Taking away pet choice is... I have to curse to properly express my feedback there. |
| 18:05.15 | bshelden | Nope, I can't. Exotic. |
| 18:05.20 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:05.23 | bshelden | Ok, I'm with your friend. Forget the hunter. |
| 18:05.28 | VIad | you need BM for exotics |
| 18:05.37 | VIad | but even if it wasnt a deal like, if he has a fox its not exotic |
| 18:05.40 | VIad | still ruins the RP for him :p |
| 18:05.46 | bshelden | Yeah, agreed. |
| 18:06.02 | bshelden | My pets are named for lost RL pets. The exotic is cause that's how I get spectral/ghost/etc pets. |
| 18:08.55 | foxlit | bshelden: keep in mind that this is viad telling a story about a "friend", so 95% of everything is likely to be complete fabrication. |
| 18:09.12 | VIad | :D |
| 18:09.15 | VIad | its 100% me! |
| 18:09.16 | bshelden | foxlit: Oh indeed, I'm treating this as rumour until I find confirmation. So all my comments are if true than X. |
| 18:09.24 | VIad | hehe |
| 18:09.27 | VIad | we speak on teamspeak atm |
| 18:09.52 | bshelden | But yeah, I'm annoyed. If true then I'm sticking to my monk alone. |
| 18:09.53 | Ironii | btw, he can still play like he wants, just don't use the artifact |
| 18:10.12 | VIad | will he have any alternatives though? |
| 18:10.14 | bshelden | You can't ignore the artifact and still be able to play. No weapon drops. |
| 18:10.19 | VIad | or level 100 weapons in 110 dungeons? :p |
| 18:12.32 | Ironii | if you want to play in your super specific way, be it some random spec or talents or any other random stuff, then play like it, but you shouldn't expect blizzard to balance every spec and talents so you can play like you want and still actually be useful to others |
| 18:12.54 | Ironii | if you don't want to use the artifact, don't |
| 18:12.55 | VIad | it's a pretty big thing though, forcing BM hunters to play with THAT pet |
| 18:13.07 | VIad | pretty huge leap to restrict it like that |
| 18:13.14 | VIad | doesn't matter for the mythic raiders, sure |
| 18:13.23 | VIad | but game consists of more people than just the meta number crunchers |
| 18:13.58 | VIad | I myself don't mind, but I get that some people do |
| 18:14.17 | Ironii | your RP friend should be happy, he gets a pet with actual lore value |
| 18:14.19 | Ironii | how amazing. |
| 18:14.37 | bshelden | I expect that the BM hunter, which as a spec feature gets access to pets no other hunter may use, should get TO CHOOSE THEIR PET. |
| 18:15.04 | VIad | hunters have so many pets to pick from, it is stilly to enforce a specific pet no backsies |
| 18:15.42 | VIad | could instead had made it so the artifact weapon bolsters the spirit connection between the hunter and their pet of choice and applies what ever magic stat/lore buff |
| 18:16.07 | VIad | not everyone read the lore novels about the hunter kashiik from the orc clan of azeroth that tamed Hati in a fierce battle of 40 novels |
| 18:16.23 | VIad | and that appreciate that fantasy enough to just accept Hati as their new main pet |
| 18:17.15 | bshelden | I don't actually give a damn, honestly. The ship sailed a long long time ago of taking wow lore seriously. |
| 18:17.36 | VIad | I look forward to the lore regarding surumar |
| 18:17.42 | Ironii | so you just want a little bit of class fantasy, not the full lore with specific meanings? |
| 18:18.00 | bshelden | I want to pick my pet. |
| 18:18.04 | VIad | ^ |
| 18:18.15 | VIad | wont ruin the lore and story if they just picked a different way to go about it |
| 18:18.43 | VIad | like said, could let your weapon do some lore stuff to your pet of choice, hightened beast bond, what ever, and just continue from there, instead of focusing on Hati specifically |
| 18:20.30 | VIad | hmm.. friend said he read that Hati spawns by equip effect on the artifact |
| 18:20.38 | VIad | and it will act like the bodyguards |
| 18:20.42 | VIad | i.e. aggro everything in sight :P |
| 18:20.51 | VIad | no petbar for Hati |
| 18:20.52 | End | there's not much differentiation between hunter pet abilities anymore is there? |
| 18:20.56 | End | oh that's weird |
| 18:21.34 | End | I feel like maybe we're not getting a complete picture |
| 18:21.44 | VIad | Semlar: plays a hunter |
| 18:21.47 | VIad | he could tell us how it is |
| 18:21.56 | VIad | how smart Hati is |
| 18:22.05 | Ironii | can't you summon a normal pet + hati? |
| 18:22.10 | Semlar | there's no difference between pets |
| 18:22.13 | End | but I thought Semlar only logs in to make weird addons and the not release them |
| 18:22.15 | VIad | yes. but hati is enforced. |
| 18:22.22 | bshelden | I'll just investigate for myself. If it bothers me, I shelf the hunter and I'll be subbed for that much less time that cycle. |
| 18:22.37 | Ironii | so hunters can still choose the pet? |
| 18:22.39 | bshelden | The fact is blizzard doesn't do a good job of keeping me engaged anymore. |
| 18:23.30 | Ironii | wtf are you guys whining about then, you don't like the model of the spell effect that you get from artifact (in this case, companion)? o.o |
| 18:23.49 | Ironii | i thought it would override the normal pet |
| 18:23.49 | VIad | would be nice if you can dismiss hati :p |
| 18:24.26 | VIad | like bodyguards it is annoying if it just does what it likes |
| 18:24.26 | Ironii | but why, you can't dismiss other spells from artifacts |
| 18:24.59 | Ironii | + why would you want to dismiss a guardian that helps you in your quest? |
| 18:25.12 | Semlar | i think your pet should be able to dismiss the hunter |
| 18:25.31 | End | bring the hunter pet not the class |
| 18:25.39 | VIad | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742994132 |
| 18:29.32 | bshelden | Yeah, convinced now. In this incarnation, the hunter is not a fantasy I care about. |
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| 18:58.58 | Kipp | I'm doing my first localization and need some guidance. I am guessing I can translate the slash commands? |
| 19:04.26 | End | at a basic level it's just setting different values based on the return value of GetLocale(), so yes you can just set SLASH_WHATEVER differently |
| 19:04.57 | End | if you're using AceLocale style L["blah"] you can set it after your localization files are loaded |
| 19:06.03 | Kipp | I thought so, thanks. I look at some other addons and didnt see them translating the slash command which led to my confusion on if I should do that translation. |
| 19:06.12 | End | it might make sense to leave the english version as an alternate spelling for your slash commands though, in addition to your localized versions |
| 19:06.28 | Kipp | Thats a good idea. I will. |
| 19:06.29 | End | well, usually addons only have variations of their own name as slash commands |
| 19:07.02 | Kipp | So do you recommend translating the command? |
| 19:07.50 | Kipp | I dont really understand how that works going from english to chinese, how do they type english letter comands? |
| 19:08.10 | End | I don't know, I'm not an expert in best practices in that area |
| 19:08.34 | foxlit | better question: how do you imagine they type the 2000+ chinese letters? :) |
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| 19:08.56 | Kipp | lol, wow., didnt know that about their language. |
| 19:09.18 | Kipp | That gives me a direction to head thought. I appreciate the info. |
| 19:09.31 | End | looking at old chinese or japanese typewriters is definitely interesting |
| 19:09.44 | Kipp | I'm googling that. :) |
| 19:10.00 | End | they look a little different from the ones we're used to :P |
| 19:10.56 | Kipp | lol, yes they do |
| 19:12.32 | foxlit | realistically, everyone has access to the latin alphabet somehow. |
| 19:12.32 | Kipp | I just discovered this IRC link from a site. I have not used IRC in 15 years or so. Didn't realize it was really used any more. Brings me back a couple decades. LOL |
| 19:12.48 | Kipp | ok |
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| 19:14.42 | Kipp | So if chinese client is configured in simplified chinese they should still be able to run non translated addon commands? |
| 19:16.58 | foxlit | that would be my assumption. |
| 19:17.13 | Kipp | thanks |
| 19:18.22 | foxlit | in general, for the languages I'm able to understand, I notice that user-contributed translations are atrocious. |
| 19:18.58 | Kipp | good to know, should I attempt to use google translate or something? |
| 19:19.16 | foxlit | google translat is similarly bad. |
| 19:19.41 | Kipp | figures |
| 19:19.59 | End | I wonder how many of these bad translations are just people running around shoving random stuff into google translate |
| 19:20.11 | End | and then contributing it back upstream |
| 19:20.13 | Kipp | good question |
| 19:20.37 | foxlit | End: what is kind of infuriating is that some people manually uncheck the "needs review" box for obviously bogus translations. |
| 19:20.58 | End | yuck |
| 19:21.41 | foxlit | the localization procedure is generally to allow replacement of complete strings as possible, and then cross fingers in hope that maybe the translated version won't have the entirely opposite meaning. |
| 19:21.42 | Kipp | forgive my ignorance but where is that checkbox? |
| 19:22.15 | foxlit | specific to curseforge localization |
| 19:22.26 | Kipp | I use curseforge. I will find it. thanks. |
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| 19:22.42 | FireSiku | Because of you guys, I looked up japanese typewriters....I thought it would be really hard to even be able to manage to type one of those without fat-fingering the 8 nearby kanjis. Then I noticed its just about guiding a mechanical hand and then pressing it. |
| 19:22.50 | foxlit | you can see consequences on things like http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/opie/localization/ -- the yellow bar segments are phrases that are translated, but still flagged as needing review. |
| 19:23.35 | Kipp | cool, okay, I still need to figure out how to do all that on curseforge. |
| 19:23.38 | FireSiku | I know french, but I'm always scared of submitting a french localization because I never used a french client, so I dont know if things are called differently :/ |
| 19:24.52 | FireSiku | ...But yeah, I can see what you mean. "Activate On Left Click" becomes french for "Activate The Left Click" |
| 19:27.18 | foxlit | Kipp: on my end, the approach is to use L"Strings" to mark text that should be localized in code, which allows me to use https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/ to pull out a table of all the localizable strings, which then imports into curseforge as the english translation |
| 19:30.07 | foxlit | (I then have another script which pulls the localized text back down from curseforge to include in the addon, but that's probably redundant if using their packager) |
| 19:30.52 | foxlit | FireSiku: "No loot received." becomes "Reward not received." in another case of regrettable misunderstandings. |
| 19:31.33 | Kipp | Interesting site. OPie looks really nice. I think I will try it. |
| 19:31.34 | FireSiku | Binding (as in Bindings dialog) becomes "Mandatory" ...I opened up google transalte and bingo, that's exactly where it came from. |
| 19:32.42 | Kipp | I am using the curseforge packager. I already implemented L strings in my addon. I haven't figured out the curseforge built in translation features but I am reading their wiki on it now. |
| 19:34.03 | Kipp | Thanks for the insight into localization. Must go pickup the kiddie. Thanks again! |
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| 19:34.38 | foxlit | I should probably allow you to disable localization, but that's a coding pain :/ |
| 19:34.58 | FireSiku | Sure is :( |
| 19:35.14 | FireSiku | Does AceLocale allow you to put a metatable on L? |
| 19:35.33 | FireSiku | Or is that how AceLocale does it's work? |
| 19:35.34 | foxlit | I don't know, but that's not really the problem; my L has a metatable. |
| 19:35.48 | End | AceLocale puts a metatable on it |
| 19:35.50 | foxlit | We should get Guill to change the loading process so that saved variables are immediately available. |
| 19:36.03 | FireSiku | Who's Guill? |
| 19:36.56 | End | depends on the addon, but part of the problem is many places where localization gets used might not re-reference the localization after setup |
| 19:38.31 | foxlit | indeed, you basically need a giant method of "Update all the text you're going to display, including the static stuff that would never change on its own" |
| 19:38.47 | FireSiku | ...oooh yeah that's a pain. |
| 19:39.07 | End | yeah so changing your L behavior on the fly probably isn't enough :( |
| 19:39.28 | foxlit | I think I let you just delete Locale.lua to revert to English |
| 19:40.22 | foxlit | (but updates and so on make that less convinient than in-game options) |
| 19:40.34 | foxlit | Having access to SVs early would fix things, though! |
| 19:41.10 | FireSiku | ~90% of my code executes OnInit/OnEnable so I generally dont have issues with things not being available. |
| 19:41.21 | FireSiku | Generally. |
| 19:42.19 | foxlit | Imagine you have like ~400 lines of lua code setting up UI widgets. |
| 19:42.21 | End | hm, I know I have some placre where BINDINGS_BLAH is set at top level, and I believe also the ace config tables as well are set at top level |
| 19:43.01 | foxlit | (because people so love using Lua to create widgets!) |
| 19:43.49 | foxlit | You could probably just wrap that in a giant function doThatThingImReallyOnlyGoingToNeedToDoOnce() ... end, and call that after A_L, but meh. |
| 19:44.12 | End | OnInitialize/OnEnable would happen after that, yeah |
| 19:44.44 | nevcairiel | OnInit is A_L, yeah |
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| 21:09.08 | relaxok | foxlit: every time i would bring up the xml side when working on my stuff everyone was like 'why do you care about that?! everyone just uses lua' |
| 21:09.25 | relaxok | foxlit: uhm... okay.. |
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| 21:57.51 | fewyn | who would have thought that being a trainer would be so fucking exhausting |
| 21:57.53 | fewyn | it is |
| 21:58.14 | Gnarfoz | new gig again? |
| 22:00.06 | fewyn | i got a promotion |
| 22:00.11 | fewyn | i'm now a trainer for new hires |
| 22:00.27 | fewyn | they have to go through a 3 week course that i'm now in charge of one of the classes |
| 22:00.46 | fewyn | so basically 120 hours of content i have to make it through |
| 22:00.54 | Gnarfoz | oh, I thought a fitness trainer |
| 22:01.07 | fewyn | not that kind of trainer |
| 22:01.19 | fewyn | god that would even more exhausting if i did that |
| 22:01.29 | fewyn | plus i haven't been to a gym |
| 22:01.32 | fewyn | in like 10 years |
| 22:01.42 | FireSiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.51 | fewyn | yes FireSiku |
| 22:01.55 | fewyn | i am the best there ever was |
| 22:02.03 | fewyn | every time i read my title |
| 22:02.11 | fewyn | that happens |
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| 23:15.54 | Elektrode | Do API such as UnitGroupRolesAssigned return localized names for the roles? i.e. "HEALER" would be localized? |
| 23:22.09 | End | I expect "HEALER" is probably aways "HEALER", and that for the different return values, the localized name is in the global of that name |
| 23:23.20 | nevcairiel | uppercase tokens are usually not localized |
| 23:24.02 | Gnarfoz | if you want to be sure, you can just try it out |
| 23:25.29 | Elektrode | Thanks. How would I go about testing the return for another localization? |
| 23:25.56 | End | you can change the language from the battle.net app |
| 23:26.07 | Elektrode | cool, thanks. |
| 23:26.08 | End | and maybe in game? but probably not after you log in |
| 23:28.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, WoW (as always) has/had different UI for that than the newer Blizzard games |
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