| 00:00.05 | foxlit | but realistically, it's probably just auto-generated from some model which knows the intended value range and thinks "okay, let's not include bytes that we're never going to use" |
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| 00:18.36 | Rythal | blech.. fricken windows, updates without permission while i'm at work, kills the sound card.. kills curse client.. forgets it's authentication forcing me to authorize again.. |
| 00:19.24 | Stanzilla | lolWindows10 |
| 00:21.33 | Unkle | I'm out. Traveling through Monday. See you guys next week. |
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| 00:56.33 | Guill | Whoo! AddOns enabling in the alpha! |
| 00:58.25 | Simca_ | time for the bug reports when we break the API to pieces |
| 01:00.53 | Ressy | lol |
| 01:02.36 | [TOM_RUS] | Guill, what about third party sound and textures? why still disabled? |
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| 01:04.33 | Guill | [TOM_RUS]: Sounds like a bug to me. |
| 01:04.53 | fewyn | how's everyone doing |
| 01:06.07 | Stanzilla | Guill: can I ask you a few things or are you busy? |
| 01:06.32 | Simca_ | that same bug happens every build after you guys re-enabled addons, Guill, must be something funny |
| 01:06.39 | Simca_ | literally the third expansion in a row lol |
| 01:06.43 | Guill | Stanzilla: A little busy, but ask away! Worst case, I won't be able to answer right away. |
| 01:07.39 | Simca_ | it was a weird bug in MoP, then in WoD I blamed CASC, but this time it's becoming a pattern |
| 01:08.09 | Guill | We like re-writing how we load files :P Sounds like it's a known issue and will be fixed soon(tm) |
| 01:08.39 | Stanzilla | Guill: with the reorganizing of the UI options a lot of stuff is missing, will that come back (like being able to disable guild names/titles) or is it the same case as with the new character sheet that the cvar to disable will stay but the UI wont have options for it? |
| 01:09.45 | Simca_ | based on the timing I assume the UI options removal is a bug caused by the switch over to GlobalStrings.db2 from GlobalStrings.lua |
| 01:10.07 | Simca_ | maybe i'm wrong though |
| 01:10.58 | Guill | It was intentional. Whether it stays is sort of a design question I can't answer though. If you have feedback one way or another, definitely give it on the forums! |
| 01:11.40 | Stanzilla | uh ok, thanks |
| 01:15.04 | Guill | Though it's worth noting that, at least for the CVars, people won't have to get AddOns to change them. It's just a matter of typing /console <something> one time and then the option will save on the server. |
| 01:15.16 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 01:15.36 | Stanzilla | the character panel change is a bit unfortunate |
| 01:16.07 | Guill | Give feedback on the forums :) I promise the feedback gets seen. |
| 01:16.22 | Stanzilla | what's the appropriate forum for that? |
| 01:16.40 | Stanzilla | Bug report or General discussion? |
| 01:16.50 | Stanzilla | there is none for UI feedback |
| 01:16.54 | Stanzilla | which would be cool to have imo |
| 01:17.32 | Guill | If you have access, definitely the Legion General discussion. If not, probably just normal general discussion |
| 01:18.14 | Guill | Stanzilla: Out of curiosity though, what is it that you don't like about the new character sheet? |
| 01:19.03 | nebula | it's different. Stanzilla can't stand change |
| 01:19.23 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 01:19.35 | Stanzilla | just can't tell which is a bug/not yet implemented and what is intended |
| 01:19.43 | Stanzilla | for example that none of the tank mitigation stuff shows |
| 01:19.46 | Stanzilla | or tertiary stats |
| 01:19.49 | Stanzilla | or movement speed |
| 01:21.57 | Simca_ | movement speed is big, we had to use hacky addons that had hardcoded lists of buffs to check and things like that for years until you added that to the character sheet |
| 01:22.01 | Simca_ | I don't want to go back to that world |
| 01:22.14 | nebula | the apis are all still there |
| 01:22.31 | nebula | and looking at the ss you linked earlier, looks like teriary is still on the pane |
| 01:22.34 | Stanzilla | yes and a blue poster already said "get an addon for it" |
| 01:22.36 | Stanzilla | still.. |
| 01:22.41 | Guill | So if you have buffs to any particular stats (whether from gear or actual buffs), I think it should show those in the character sheet |
| 01:22.58 | nebula | speed has nothing to do with your gear though |
| 01:23.00 | Guill | Don't quote me though, I wasn't the one who worked on that feature, so I could be wrong :P |
| 01:23.10 | Stanzilla | also interface options like "face map when moving" |
| 01:23.15 | Stanzilla | that is rather new and now gone |
| 01:23.16 | Guill | nebular: Sure it does! What about my Carrot on a Stick? |
| 01:23.32 | Simca_ | also if you get the rare +speed stat |
| 01:23.41 | Simca_ | well, uncommon |
| 01:23.44 | Stanzilla | *fade |
| 01:24.01 | Guill | (Also, the API for speed is definitely staying, so you won't have to use hard-coded buffs or anything like that) |
| 01:25.35 | Guill | Yeah, for individual UI options that are disappearing that you feel should really stay, I would definitely give feedback about that on the alpha forums |
| 01:25.45 | Simca_ | these changes aren't drastic enough to dethrone the change from a couple years ago where the main menu button was replaced with the ingame store button (for like 2 builds until the uproar of mad people got it reverted) for 'worst UI change ever' |
| 01:26.24 | Simca_ | rebound escape? enjoy your alt+f4 |
| 01:26.30 | Stanzilla | eh even "show lua errors" is gone |
| 01:26.37 | nebula | who the fuck rebinds escape |
| 01:26.54 | foxlit | addons do |
| 01:26.54 | Guill | Stanzilla: /console scripterrors 1 |
| 01:26.58 | nebula | other than foxlit during april fools, that is |
| 01:26.59 | Stanzilla | yeeees |
| 01:27.01 | Stanzilla | but still |
| 01:27.04 | Stanzilla | why remove the option |
| 01:27.27 | foxlit | also, that had nothing to do with bindings, nebula. |
| 01:27.38 | nebula | i was kidding, but i think Ressy still hates you |
| 01:27.50 | Simca_ | it would be nice Guill if there was just like a 'Show Advanced Options' checkbox under 'Advanced' that showed all this more obscure stuff |
| 01:28.02 | Stanzilla | there, made my small collection of stuff that I'm missing http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743444381#1 |
| 01:28.04 | Simca_ | so the UI could stay simple for most people but not lose the complexity that many value |
| 01:28.11 | Stanzilla | agree with Simca_ |
| 01:29.16 | Simca_ | because i mean as it is now, you still have to support all the features you aren't showing off in options (keeping the APIs working and console variables around), so I don't see the advantage to hiding them -completely forever- |
| 01:30.07 | foxlit | Removing visible options to shoot yourself in the foot does have value. |
| 01:30.36 | foxlit | Its not like every cvar has a ui representation to begin with. |
| 01:31.22 | Simca_ | PraiseTheSun |
| 01:31.31 | foxlit | (Also, you should probably write an adddon equivalent of about:config) |
| 01:31.49 | Stanzilla | I stole parts of your text, Simca_ |
| 01:31.56 | Stanzilla | now upvote me :D |
| 01:33.13 | Guill | Simca_: That CVar may or may not have been caused by one too many margaritas. |
| 01:33.21 | Simca_ | hahahahaha |
| 01:34.00 | Simca_ | it doesn't even work right either, I tried enabling it the other day for lols, and it just replaces the announcements for boss kills with "has been killed!" |
| 01:34.12 | Simca_ | (nothing before the word 'has') |
| 01:35.01 | Simca_ | It's the only use of GetCVar in FrameXML iirc, that's why it stuck out to me |
| 01:35.21 | Guill | Simca_: Oh really? That's unfortunate. Supposed to just replace the toast with "You Defeated" |
| 01:35.38 | Simca_ | ah, that might have been it. |
| 01:36.01 | Simca_ | it was some partial sentence along those lines, and I assumed based on the partial sentence that it was broken |
| 01:37.55 | Guill | Simca_: http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/125319/2578991-4640748799-dark-.jpg |
| 01:38.40 | Simca_ | excellent |
| 01:41.25 | Rythal | Hurray Addons enabled.. maybe we'll get our invites soon :P |
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| 01:43.22 | Semlar | \[T]/ |
| 01:50.24 | Stanzilla | "Tertiary stats will appear on the sheet if you have them on your items. We're also adding a teeny bit more information about the contribution from weapons." |
| 01:50.28 | Stanzilla | well ok then |
| 01:51.08 | Simca_ | the new character pane still makes sense as an option that is default |
| 01:51.15 | Simca_ | and something we could toggle off |
| 01:51.22 | Simca_ | doesn't make sense as non-optional |
| 01:51.58 | Simca_ | it feels like moving backwards to the days where every game was on the quake engine and the first thing you had to do was edit your config.ini because the in-game options menus were horrible |
| 01:52.18 | Stanzilla | I might quote that :D |
| 01:52.39 | Semlar | isn't that why we make addons |
| 01:52.57 | Simca_ | to make blizzard-support UI options visible to the user? not really. |
| 01:52.58 | Semlar | well not me, but people who actually make addons |
| 01:53.02 | Simca_ | supported* |
| 01:53.44 | Stanzilla | as always, a question of balance |
| 01:53.57 | Semlar | there are a bunch of settings i have to set up to make the game playable for me that aren't the default |
| 01:54.55 | Semlar | i don't even know what the defaults are any more |
| 01:54.58 | Rythal | I don't think i have ever touched my config.wtf |
| 01:55.50 | Simca_ | i think there are a lot of 'default UI' purists or people who use very few addons who will be relatively upset by this change though, Semlar |
| 01:56.04 | Semlar | those people are insane |
| 01:56.36 | Rythal | agreed... the game just isn't playabout with about 40 addons install at a minimum :P |
| 01:56.44 | Rythal | playable* |
| 02:03.30 | Simca_ | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742925184?page=4#72 why maintaining the old animation rigs indefinitely is probably not going to happen |
| 02:03.46 | Simca_ | (people are upset because SD models are probably getting dropped soon) |
| 02:05.16 | Semlar | i don't even look at the game when i play |
| 02:33.25 | mckenziemc | https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6lDgw76EvJ8eUZCa1liZGRIS2s Torhal's cats have been outdone, in both number and cuteness |
| 02:37.15 | Torhal | WAT |
| 02:39.31 | mckenziemc | covers Torhal with baby animals. |
| 02:39.58 | mckenziemc | they also don't need nearly as much food, Torhal |
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| 05:27.49 | Simca_ | praise our lord and savior guillotine |
| 05:28.04 | Simca_ | GetLootSlotLink finally works for currencies correctly |
| 05:28.14 | Simca_ | been broken since its introduction in Cataclysm |
| 05:28.53 | nebula | currency links add weirdness all over the place |
| 05:31.19 | Simca_ | they finally seem to be working with other link-based functions |
| 05:32.00 | Simca_ | combined with last expansion's improvement to have their currencyIDs in them, I can finally discard years worth of hacks |
| 05:32.15 | Simca_ | and the code can look nice |
| 05:32.28 | Simca_ | -r |
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| 07:33.18 | nevcairiel | fail VIad |
| 07:33.23 | Fisker | Sorry this event has been sold out |
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| 07:34.35 | VIad | Cairenn: they are making fun of me again :( |
| 07:34.44 | Cairenn | VIad: awww |
| 07:35.21 | VIad | also someone got mugged and you did nothing? what kind of mom are you... |
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| 07:37.56 | Cairenn | VIad: not yours |
| 07:38.00 | Torhal | lol |
| 07:38.53 | VIad | you are our mom whether you like it or not, because you have OP in this channel :p |
| 07:39.31 | VIad | also you don't know, maybe at birth two babies were mixed up and I am your biological norwegian son? |
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| 08:09.41 | Semlar | you're adopted |
| 08:10.31 | VIad | in this case I would be in a sense |
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