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| 02:58.30 | relaxok | local point, relativeTo, relativePoint, offsetX, offsetY = spark:GetPoint(); |
| 02:58.34 | relaxok | what's that do with no argument? |
| 03:03.37 | mckenziemc | "P.S.⢠is a trademark of HarperCollins Publishers." o.o |
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| 04:24.45 | Primer | Hrmm, I could have sworn I used to be able to manage my addon's git repo via ssh |
| 04:25.16 | Primer | Yet now I can't fetch... |
| 04:25.41 | Primer | and my ssh agent is working fine, as I can ssh into hosts that I know are using my ssh key |
| 04:28.08 | Primer | unless this is using my old key... |
| 04:28.43 | Primer | and the ssh agent is handling both keys |
| 04:31.58 | Primer | sigh, so it works from my Linux box, but not in windows... |
| 04:32.46 | Parnic | Primer: i've had that problem on an unrelated server. ssh from windows - timeout. ssh from linux - no problem |
| 04:33.02 | Primer | it's not a timeout, it's denying my public key |
| 04:33.22 | Primer | I don't use my old key to ssh any more, so I can't test the agent |
| 04:36.43 | nebula | you probaby just changed something and it's trying to use the wrong ssh (ie, not plink) |
| 04:36.56 | Primer | wtf is plink |
| 04:37.36 | nebula | if you don't use pageant as your agent, i got nothing |
| 04:37.54 | Primer | I use ssh-agent |
| 04:38.18 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.25 | Primer | cygwin, btw |
| 04:38.53 | nebula | obviously, i don't know, i've never done ssh on windows that way |
| 04:39.07 | Primer | ok, I just updated my public key on the site to use my new one and it's working |
| 04:39.43 | Primer | I should probably just delete my old key |
| 04:47.14 | Primer | Is there some new setting on wowace to get emails on PMs? I'm responding to a PM I got back in January. I haven't been to this site in ages...I just went there to check my developer points, which I had totally forgotten about |
| 04:49.53 | Primer | I guess I should ask in #wowace |
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| 06:07.46 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
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| 13:22.37 | VIad | saslserv keeps spamming me about failed login attempts - wat? |
| 13:23.15 | VIad | saslserv |
| 13:24.52 | VIad | funny considering I am authed at the same time as I see like, just now, 3 messages about someone trying to login as me :p |
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| 14:37.32 | zenzelezz | I really wish the new Batman/Superman movie used "vs." instead of "v". I keep reading "Batman 5 Superman" when people capitalize the V |
| 14:47.30 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz v V |
| 14:50.20 | Stanzilla | popular opinion of the movie is indeed v.V |
| 14:51.58 | mckenziemc | whatever that means |
| 14:52.29 | Stanzilla | crying |
| 14:52.33 | zenzelezz | thankfully I have zero interest in any of the hero universes (Marvel/DC), so the quality of those movies (or their existence) is irrelevant to me |
| 14:52.34 | End | it means v.5 |
| 14:53.29 | zenzelezz | that said, the Warp Zone has had a few funny Batman vs. Superman videos over the years |
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| 15:28.24 | karl_w_w | you're missing out zenzelezz |
| 15:28.50 | karl_w_w | there are so many good TV series and passable movies you could be watching |
| 15:35.19 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.32 | foxlit | The stream is a disaster, though. |
| 15:36.44 | Fisker | wfm foxlit |
| 15:36.45 | Fisker | get rekt |
| 15:38.26 | zenzelezz | foxlit: how so? |
| 15:38.52 | foxlit | It rebuffers by skipping. |
| 15:39.04 | nevcairiel | https://stream.microsoft.com/events/2016/1603/Build/player/Build-MSNC.html works fine for me |
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| 15:39.32 | zenzelezz | I have no idea which one I'm watching; I just went to the root channel9.msdn.com |
| 15:39.47 | foxlit | it's the same player, I think. |
| 15:39.58 | foxlit | (also, flash) |
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| 15:41.32 | foxlit | (sometimes, it lines up with his sentences, so it's like "We hate [bufferskip] puppies!") |
| 15:41.44 | nevcairiel | fine here |
| 15:41.57 | Fisker | Must be your internet foxlit |
| 15:42.03 | foxlit | Or their CDN. |
| 15:42.17 | foxlit | Not that my internet isn't sketchy. |
| 15:42.32 | zenzelezz | where are you again? |
| 15:43.31 | Fisker | Denmark |
| 15:44.12 | foxlit | switching it to the highest-quality stream manually seems to have fixed it. |
| 15:45.09 | foxlit | albion. |
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| 15:46.36 | zenzelezz | it's just not the same when they don't come charging out shouting "developers, developers, developers!" |
| 15:47.09 | Fisker | y |
| 15:47.20 | foxlit | I'm reasonably certain he just suggested interacting with computers with your face. |
| 15:48.30 | zenzelezz | poor 9 |
| 15:48.35 | zenzelezz | *8... |
| 15:57.30 | zenzelezz | "whoa, iPhone, cut to another camera" |
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| 16:12.05 | zenzelezz | :-o |
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| 16:21.35 | karl_w_w | woooo, staying in visual studio |
| 16:33.11 | karl_w_w | this is amazing, I've never seen it before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0 |
| 17:11.00 | Stanzilla | http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntuLinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx |
| 17:11.02 | Stanzilla | for a bit more info |
| 17:12.14 | g0urra | support only brawl is bs |
| 17:12.17 | Trela | WowThatIsAReallyInterestingURL. |
| 17:12.42 | Trela | *WowThatIsAReallyInterestingURL.aspxphp |
| 17:13.40 | zenzelezz | Stanzilla: neat, cheers |
| 17:53.45 | karl_w_w | wow, .aspx |
| 17:53.59 | karl_w_w | it's like being in the 90s again |
| 17:54.44 | Stanzilla | asp is actually pretty wildly used |
| 17:58.45 | karl_w_w | putting it in the URL isn't |
| 17:58.57 | karl_w_w | s/putting/leaving/ |
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| 18:19.22 | karl_w_w | VIad, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynT3RcmGOLE |
| 18:19.31 | karl_w_w | NSFW at one point |
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| 19:46.37 | *** topic/#wowuidev is 6.2.4 goes live 22 Mar || 6.2.4 Lua API Changes blizz.ly/1QsKZlB || WoWI Beta Invites http://bit.ly/20Fh7We || 6.2.x ToC: 60200 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || This channel is logged, via purl || |
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| 19:57.26 | kd3 | has someone checked hell's weather lately? bash (and the rest of userland) on windows using what's effectively inverse-wine? |
| 19:58.44 | foxlit | hell's fine. |
| 19:59.10 | foxlit | you'd be right to be concerned if they announced they're porting directx to linux, but they haven't. |
| 20:00.04 | Primer | they ported sql server... |
| 20:00.19 | Primer | gotta wonder if other things aren't in the wings |
| 20:00.35 | Primer | IE for android? |
| 20:00.36 | foxlit | did they really port sql /server/? |
| 20:00.45 | nebula | directx doesn't really benefit enterprise |
| 20:01.02 | Primer | Yes, they did |
| 20:01.23 | foxlit | like the entire thing, not some convinient portion? |
| 20:01.48 | nebula | the entire thing :p and offering to support it for free for some period of time |
| 20:02.19 | Primer | They also have a Linux distro |
| 20:02.46 | Primer | Supposedly runs their cloud shit |
| 20:02.52 | Primer | Azure |
| 20:03.02 | Primer | Azure being the cloud shit |
| 20:03.34 | foxlit | that sound similar to saying that Curse has a Linux distro |
| 20:03.44 | Primer | Why? |
| 20:03.46 | foxlit | which supposedly runs their gamepedia shit. |
| 20:03.59 | Primer | They have stated they have a custom distro |
| 20:04.36 | Primer | as in, it's not derived from Debian or RHEL or any other distro out there |
| 20:06.27 | Primer | At least that was the impression I got when I read about it |
| 20:07.01 | Primer | And them being who they are, I'm not surprised by the decision to roll their own distro |
| 20:07.10 | Primer | While remaining surprised they actually use Linux |
| 20:08.15 | Maldivia | kd3: It' the year of Linux on the (Windows) Desktop :D |
| 20:14.59 | bshelden | I'm looking forward to the year of "the year of the linux desktop" joke's final death" |
| 20:17.42 | Simca | probably aren't enough years of the desktop left for that to stop being a joke in time |
| 20:18.48 | zenzelezz | re. "year of desktop linux"; always reminds me of this gem https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1767910&cid=33388046 |
| 20:20.06 | bshelden | Oh probably |
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| 20:43.12 | Maldivia | hmm, I never realised how crappy the BNA looks on Mac on retina displays, on the News and Store "tabs"... |
| 20:43.48 | foxlit | Er, those tabs are fine. |
| 20:44.08 | Maldivia | the text is muddy as hell... |
| 20:44.38 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/bna.png |
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| 20:45.51 | Maldivia | foxlit: on News and Shop: http://i.imgur.com/N6joPnf.png |
| 20:46.23 | foxlit | ah, that makes more sense. |
| 20:47.18 | Maldivia | well, the "who's playing" and news frames on the game pages are also muddy |
| 20:47.22 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: are you on alpha or release? |
| 20:47.34 | Stanzilla | because alpha has a newer chromium that does better dpi scaling |
| 20:47.35 | foxlit | Looks like that's a nested browser that's rendering at something less than native resolution. |
| 20:47.41 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:47.50 | Maldivia | Stan, on release right now |
| 20:48.18 | Stanzilla | yeah should look better on alpha |
| 20:49.06 | Maldivia | meh, not bothering putting alpha on my Mac :D |
| 20:51.14 | Stanzilla | still my favorite BNA bug http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/20742974759#1 |
| 21:13.51 | foxlit | the nova bike ride is a bit annoying |
| 21:14.52 | foxlit | There's no indication of when you've failed the achievement, and the AI-controlled teammate checks all the wrong boxes. |
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| 22:35.08 | foxlit | um, there was a captcha thing introduced in 6.2.4? |
| 22:35.21 | kd3 | o_O |
| 22:35.40 | foxlit | but I can't seem to find why I know that. Link me a screenshot? |
| 22:36.38 | nevcairiel | cap..tcha? |
| 22:37.19 | Simca | i feel like you're right |
| 22:37.34 | Simca | but i've never seen it, so maybe it didn't make it |
| 22:38.11 | foxlit | nevcairiel: t for Turing. |
| 22:38.27 | Simca | or maybe it's like that weird ass combination lock thing that looks like they took it from splinter cell that is only used for internal builds |
| 22:39.45 | foxlit | https://i.imgur.com/NMsUUMp.png |
| 22:39.58 | Simca | nice |
| 22:40.38 | foxlit | not exctracting gluexml comes back to bite me :/ |
| 22:43.01 | Simca | why does it matter? |
| 22:43.52 | foxlit | I vaguely remembered the text; could've grepped for it then. |
| 22:44.47 | Amarande | foxlit: does it perhaps get saved for a period of time like how you don't have to enter your authenticator code every login? |
| 22:45.18 | foxlit | I don't know. I imagine you wouldn't ever see it unless you manage to mistype your password too many times. |
| 22:45.45 | Amarande | mind you, I have to wonder what happens when computers actually learn to play WoW, as in actually play as opposed to today's botting |
| 22:45.52 | Amarande | before, that seemed like an outlandish amarande kind of comment |
| 22:46.00 | Amarande | however, with the things I'm reading about Google DeepMind ... |
| 22:46.20 | Amarande | apparently, DeepMind has already managed to learn how to play 80s arcade games without having to be specifically coded to play them |
| 22:46.44 | Amarande | wouldn't be surprised if computers can learn to play MMOs the legitimate way eventually too, now :) |
| 22:47.02 | Amarande | they used to think computers couldn't beat top humans at Go, either |
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| 22:52.30 | Amarande | anyway, I suppose I'll see all the new WoW gewgaws sometime this summer when I'm back on my xeon tower :) |
| 23:23.15 | zenzelezz | well that's an interesting fact/point... "UWP [Universal Windows Platform] has no VirtualProtect() (ie no PAGE_EXECUTE) => So no support for any run-time code gen languages, pluygins, JIT, etc." |
| 23:26.40 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: there is VirtualProtectFromApp for windows store applications, and a few manifest entries to enable JIT capabilities |
| 23:26.46 | nevcairiel | that guy is lacking on his api-foo |
| 23:27.17 | zenzelezz | guess that's what I guess for blindly trusting something John Carmack retweets :-| |
| 23:27.22 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 23:27.23 | zenzelezz | get |
| 23:27.42 | zenzelezz | why can I suddenly never type at night |
| 23:29.01 | Amarande | zenzelezz: yeah the UWP is way too wet behind the ears at the moment especially |
| 23:29.17 | Amarande | too many limitations ... already there's the forced vsync and lack of SLI/Crossfire support |
| 23:30.31 | Amarande | Tim Sweeney is paranoid that MS will eventually push to make UWP Apps the only allowed software on Windows, though, and eventually phase out legacy applications altogether |
| 23:31.00 | zenzelezz | unlikely in a very long time. Too many business customers who wouldn't upgrade |
| 23:31.39 | nevcairiel | In contrast to Apple, Microsoft has been taking backwards compatibility serious, you can still run most code that was build 20 years ago |
| 23:31.49 | nevcairiel | I dont see that changing |
| 23:32.30 | Amarande | yeah, that seems like FUD |
| 23:32.44 | Amarande | in fact, some folks even suspect that UWP app games are going to be as much of a flash in the pan failure as GFWL was |
| 23:32.45 | zenzelezz | looks like either Carmack un-retweeted that tweet, or the author deleted it. Guess someone pointed it out to him |
| 23:35.54 | zenzelezz | Raymond Chen has made many blog posts over the years about various things MS did to preserve backward compatibility, usually pretty interesting |
| 23:36.07 | zenzelezz | only daily blog I follow |
| 23:36.55 | zenzelezz | most recently on Monday; "Getting MS-DOS games to run on Windows 95: Virtual memory" - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20160328-00/?p=93204 |
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| 23:41.49 | Amarande | I'm surprised Carmack is even that interested in UWP, anyway |
| 23:42.12 | Amarande | something as demanding as Oculus is exactly the sort of thing that would be benefiting from SLI/Crossfire the most, and UWP has limited or no support for that |
| 23:42.29 | zenzelezz | might not be, could just be someone he follows on twitter said that |
| 23:42.51 | nevcairiel | Amarande: there is no reason it cant be fixed to support that just fine |
| 23:43.01 | nevcairiel | UWP games probably also dont support VR yet =p |
| 23:43.37 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I always thought the Rift was basically just treated as a pair of monitors + headphones, as far as the OS layer is concerned |
| 23:43.44 | zenzelezz | the medical hololens thing was quite interesting |
| 23:43.53 | Amarande | although I wouldn't be surprised if UWP doesn't support multi-monitor yet, either |
| 23:43.54 | nevcairiel | recent games haven't had a good track record at SLI/CF support in any case, independent of UWP |
| 23:44.07 | Amarande | nevcairiel: doesn't surprise me either |
| 23:44.20 | Amarande | as a rule, it's considered not worth it to SLI/CF unless you are already using top tier cards |
| 23:44.37 | Amarande | in this economy, people are lucky if they can squeeze in one $600 GPU, let alone two (plus the power bill to run them) |
| 23:44.59 | nevcairiel | more promising is DX12 explicit multi-adapter support |
| 23:45.48 | Amarande | it will be interesting to see if "the shiny new graphical thing" or "the limitations it has in RL terms" wins out VR-wise in the long run, too |
| 23:56.43 | bshelden | I figure VR will eventually win. The interesting question to me is if it'll take off before we can do the holodeck thing. |
| 23:57.27 | zenzelezz | I think "win" is the wrong word. Some genres will simply never work with it |
| 23:58.09 | bshelden | By win I mean only "become the dominant interactive diversion" |
| 23:58.26 | bshelden | toss in virtual if you want to pedant further |
| 23:58.28 | zenzelezz | ah. Well, then you might be right |
