| 00:00.24 | emihir0_ | https://i.gyazo.com/7fd998cf9c79f37730fcf46a79ab9b6b.png yay finally... goddamn, my friend wanted me to make him a small app that keeps track of his gold because he plays on like 20 servers or something... *it's something *shrug** |
| 00:00.59 | nebula | should tell him to just use one of the 20 that already exist for that purpose :p |
| 00:01.03 | foxlit | emihir0_: it might amuse you to know that the old official UI tutorial used to be about storing the player's amount of gold. |
| 00:01.29 | emihir0_ | nebule I think you mean addons and not actual app... outside wow |
| 00:01.37 | emihir0_ | nebula* sorry |
| 00:01.45 | nebula | ah, i did assume that |
| 00:02.02 | emihir0_ | foxlit i'm totally amused >.< |
| 00:02.42 | emihir0_ | thanks for pointing out that I had to come here for help because I couldn't solve something that was considered a beginner tutorial example easy stuff level... :/ |
| 00:03.30 | foxlit | that's not necessarily the interpretation I was going for. |
| 00:03.50 | emihir0_ | :D was a joke |
| 00:04.12 | emihir0_ | ... no it wasn't, I suck when it comes to addons Q_Q |
| 00:06.47 | Guill | emihir0_: If it makes you feel any better, the issues you had aren't at all obvious. I was sure that you could get gold at PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD and was totally wrong :P |
| 00:07.07 | Semlar | gets Guill's gold |
| 00:07.13 | Guill | Hah, jokes on you, I'm broke |
| 00:07.32 | Semlar | :( |
| 00:07.34 | foxlit | (it made for a nice tutorial because it covered most of the relevant concepts; being a tutorial, it just side-stepped the logout trap.) |
| 00:07.55 | foxlit | (also, we had an official tutorial.) |
| 00:10.44 | Semlar | skips the tutorial |
| 00:11.12 | Semlar | how do i do things! |
| 00:11.55 | Guill | Step 1. Join IRC Step 2. Complain that it's literally impossible to do X. Step 3. Take the posted code for doing X |
| 00:12.07 | Semlar | nothing is impossible! |
| 00:12.32 | Semlar | YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE |
| 00:13.11 | Semlar | also step 2 is asking if anyone is around and/or whether you can ask a question in irc |
| 00:14.02 | foxlit | Semlar: https://goo.gl/8WABI3 |
| 00:14.42 | Semlar | i'm never complete and consistent |
| 00:15.00 | mckenziemc | are you Peano arithmetic? |
| 00:15.06 | foxlit | and probably not powerful enough to define Peano arithmetic. |
| 00:15.29 | Semlar | i can't even play the piano |
| 00:15.37 | foxlit | 0/3, Semlar, won't use as a set of axioms again. |
| 00:15.43 | mckenziemc | demotivates foxlit. |
| 00:19.51 | mckenziemc | so today while following tangents around wikipedia off a different topic, i found the proper terminology and a superior algorithm for online calculation of sample deviation |
| 00:20.14 | mckenziemc | develops a numerically unsound algorithm for solving the worlds problems in the process. |
| 00:20.18 | mckenziemc | unstable* >.> |
| 00:22.15 | mckenziemc | i had been working on an average + deviation algorithm last week |
| 00:24.21 | foxlit | what do you mean? |
| 00:26.41 | foxlit | (aren't those fairly well defined for a set of samples?) |
| 00:28.32 | emihir0_ | guys do you reckon that raspberry pi might handle storing 24h history of blizzard's auction (about 30 servers max)? that is, requesting it and inserting it into mysql database while being able to be connected remotely and request the data? |
| 00:31.16 | Primer | not if you're planning on storing that to its SD card |
| 00:31.23 | Primer | IMO |
| 00:31.50 | VIad | it's sad that fan sites already give out alpha/beta keys |
| 00:31.59 | VIad | maybe I should buy one from a seller :p |
| 00:38.06 | airtonix | Primer, eh? 8Gb isn't enough? |
| 00:38.30 | airtonix | anyway, the pi2 has four usb ports. |
| 00:39.36 | Primer | It's not the size |
| 00:39.43 | Primer | it's the limited life span of writes |
| 00:40.29 | airtonix | ci |
| 00:41.18 | emihir0_ | so what do you suggest I do Primer? |
| 00:41.19 | airtonix | i'd be more inclined to send that data over local ethernet to a mongodb anyway. |
| 00:41.36 | airtonix | or some other kind of insta restful endpointy db |
| 00:42.24 | Primer | emihir0_: not use a pi's SD card |
| 00:42.42 | emihir0_ | well I'm very, very new/bad with hardware but semi-okayish with databases (ie. design/making complex queries and shit). i don' really mind whether i use postgresql or mysql or any other solution as long as it works |
| 00:43.20 | Primer | Just saying, in my experience, a pi's SD card goes to shit really fast when you start writing to it a lot |
| 00:43.40 | emihir0_ | yes, I gathered as much, but what do you mean by limited life span of writes? I mean I can get the meaning, my question si more like... what is the alternative solution? should a USB stick be enough or? |
| 00:44.32 | Primer | I would guess usb stick would suffer from the same problem, but perhaps you can get some failover on it. Get a powered hub and several usb sticks and make a software raid 6 :) |
| 00:44.33 | fewyn | leaving work before the sun goes down is so odd |
| 00:44.42 | fewyn | i do love i have weekends off now |
| 00:45.14 | Primer | Whereas before you worked 7 days a week and never saw the light of day? |
| 00:45.26 | Primer | chuckles |
| 00:45.43 | airtonix | emihir0_, reason i didn't say postgress or mysql is because neither have the ability to expose themselves as an instant restful api. |
| 00:45.55 | Primer | emihir0_: I'd ask you what I ask my boss all the time "What is your goal?" |
| 00:46.31 | Primer | Because he constantly asks me technical questions that make zero sense, so I have to "interpret" his goal, and it ends up that the technical questions are entirely irrelevant |
| 00:46.40 | VIad | http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/16597-icy-veins-5-years-anniversary-200-legion-beta-key-giveaway/ |
| 00:46.41 | airtonix | who cares what the goal is |
| 00:46.46 | VIad | get your beta access |
| 00:46.48 | airtonix | just answer the question |
| 00:47.04 | airtonix | if it's not the answer, he'll learn to ask better questions |
| 00:47.27 | Primer | airtonix: Here we call that "the 18" Stonehenge" |
| 00:47.45 | Primer | I suppose I should have surrounded that with single quotes |
| 00:47.56 | emihir0_ | store last 24 hours of auctions data which I can then request and do some processing on my regular machine if I need to. Basically I'm looking to see what auctions I should buy and which I shouldn't do and so semi-notifications system (ie. it would only work when my main machine is up) |
| 00:47.59 | airtonix | i usually find when someone says "but why do you want to do X" its because they are trying to find some way to create another screaming monkey |
| 00:48.01 | fewyn | Primer: i used to work 10 hour shifts 12:30pm to 11:00pm |
| 00:48.33 | fewyn | i now work 11:00am - 7:30pm M-F |
| 00:48.38 | fewyn | so i get weekends off |
| 00:48.40 | fewyn | before i didn't |
| 00:48.50 | Primer | emihir0_: use tmpfs :) |
| 00:48.53 | Primer | on the pi |
| 00:48.58 | Primer | and get a good power supply |
| 00:48.58 | emihir0_ | basically I do pretty much the same with my main machine now, problem is that I don't leave it on 24/7 and so I bought raspi to toy around with it (as it's a good thing to know how to setup a 'server' etc) |
| 00:49.36 | emihir0_ | so what i'm looking to do is store the data on raspi (or well, request them through it) and then get them to my machine by connecting to the mysql database remotely (hopefully, so I don't have to be on the local net either) |
| 00:50.33 | emihir0_ | of course I'd like to expand further upon it in future, but this is the initial goal |
| 00:50.34 | Primer | Presuming you can get the entire db to fit in memory, that is |
| 00:50.51 | Primer | I can't recall what pi I have, or how much memory it has |
| 00:50.58 | emihir0_ | hmm I'll actually only be storing the battle pets auctions specifically, which is just a small proportion of all auctions |
| 00:51.22 | emihir0_ | the one i bought has 16gb so that should be more than enough for just last 24 hours |
| 00:51.26 | foxlit | your data set is so small you should be writing an apple watch app. |
| 00:51.27 | Primer | model name: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) |
| 00:51.39 | Primer | Mem: 445032 329652 115380 0 45904 87908 |
| 00:51.56 | emihir0_ | what do you mean foxlit? |
| 00:52.07 | Primer | You mean your SD card is 16g |
| 00:52.13 | Primer | your pi's memory is not 16g |
| 00:52.16 | emihir0_ | btw Primer what did you mean by "use tmpfs" |
| 00:52.22 | Primer | tmpfs == memory fs |
| 00:52.25 | Primer | ram disk |
| 00:52.28 | emihir0_ | ah, yes, that's true, you are asking about RAM sorry |
| 00:52.31 | emihir0_ | misunderstood |
| 00:52.32 | foxlit | there are going to be what, like at most 100k pet auctions? |
| 00:53.00 | Primer | tmpfs can be adjusted easily enough. You could allocate, say, 100m, and be fine |
| 00:53.07 | Primer | just don't go over |
| 00:53.08 | emihir0_ | i doubt even that much, basically i will filter the way too cheap ones out too |
| 00:53.56 | Primer | But yeah, if you don't care about the SD, just use that too |
| 00:53.58 | emihir0_ | my question Primer is more along the lines - 'what' is tmpfs and why is it better than just storing it as a mysql database? |
| 00:54.05 | Primer | just don't be surprised when you can't write to it any more |
| 00:54.10 | foxlit | x10 ints for storing stuff for each one; ~4MB of data. |
| 00:54.22 | Primer | no, you'd use tmpfs as your mysql's data dir |
| 00:54.40 | Primer | tmpfs 44M 252K 44M 1% /run |
| 00:55.16 | Primer | grep datadir /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 00:55.22 | Primer | datadir = /run/mysql |
| 00:55.34 | Primer | Just keep in mind that directory goes away if the power goes out |
| 00:55.39 | Gnamra | I'm trying to make my frame movable, and I've added these 4 lines to my frame. http://hastebin.com/veqebokuyu.avrasm What am I missing? |
| 00:56.42 | foxlit | Primer: or you could just let mysql worry about managing the ram/disk boundary. |
| 00:57.01 | Primer | Gnamra: EnableMouse(true) ? |
| 00:57.08 | emihir0_ | @Primer what is the advantage of using tmpfs dir as opposed to regular one? form what i collected i assume the data stored in tmpfs doesn't actually get written do the SD card (or the HDD rather) and just stay in the memory, hence it would avoid the damaging SD card problem. but is there any other advantage? |
| 00:57.14 | karl_w_w | one was a coach, VIad |
| 00:57.24 | Primer | emihir0_: speed |
| 00:57.26 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.47 | Gnamra | Oh that was it, Thanks Primer |
| 00:57.53 | Primer | Gnamra: np |
| 00:58.35 | Primer | emihir0_: I'm going to guess you don't really care about the SD card, so if it wears out it's OK. Just use that. |
| 00:58.45 | Primer | Just keep in mind pis are slow as fuck |
| 00:59.00 | Primer | especially with SD card I/O |
| 00:59.29 | emihir0_ | I assume it is the same principle as using sqlite in python and calling a database on :memory: so it gets created just for the duration of lifetime of the execution, as opposed to calling it to some actual path .db? |
| 00:59.39 | Primer | and if you're doing any sort of ACID, expect it to be even slower |
| 00:59.57 | Primer | especially if you're writing a lot |
| 01:00.29 | Primer | suggests mysql with myisam |
| 01:01.18 | emihir0_ | I'm not worried about writing speed as much as about the requesting speed, or rather, when a connection is made to the database from a remote machine and tha tmachine requests some SELECT query, which one processes the data? the server, or the local machine? i assume the server |
| 01:01.27 | VIad | isn't mariadb the next mysql? |
| 01:01.33 | emihir0_ | so that i'm worried about a bit, i mean the speed of that |
| 01:01.48 | Primer | the query is done on the server |
| 01:02.19 | Primer | wonders if he's being trolled now... |
| 01:02.35 | emihir0_ | no, i'm just dumb, not a troll |
| 01:02.44 | emihir0_ | or newb, rather |
| 01:02.51 | VIad | the server running the database does all the work |
| 01:03.01 | emihir0_ | yes, that's what i thought |
| 01:03.08 | VIad | the client just requests and receives data ready to go |
| 01:03.38 | Primer | unless you do select * from table |
| 01:03.41 | VIad | otherwise stuff like looking up passwords in a table - server is lazy, sends you the account table to look for your password yourself - pleb |
| 01:03.44 | Primer | and use code to parse it :) |
| 01:03.51 | Primer | I've had developers that did that |
| 01:03.55 | Primer | And I couldn't fire them |
| 01:03.59 | VIad | hmm |
| 01:04.09 | VIad | thats like what I did when I was just starting :p |
| 01:04.12 | VIad | 10 years ago |
| 01:04.19 | emihir0_ | but I could theoretically keep all the non-changing data on my local machine, like tables with names that correspond to IDs etc, and just request the core data (auctions) from the raspi, then join the tables and everything locally (ie. do 1 query to get the core data, second query on local machine to join everything up), right? |
| 01:04.42 | Primer | You could, but it'd be wrong |
| 01:04.52 | Primer | You should let your db do what it was designed to do |
| 01:05.34 | emihir0_ | yes, I know as much, but for a primitive private project it might be the better solution, if the query itself might take a few tens of seconds to process on the raspi |
| 01:06.39 | Primer | What's a few tens of seconds when you're learning! |
| 01:06.42 | emihir0_ | anyway, i think the best for now is to just mess around and try stuff out, that's what i bought it for in the end |
| 01:06.55 | VIad | emihir0_: what ARE you doing? |
| 01:07.00 | VIad | assume this is not lua |
| 01:07.05 | Primer | Use it as an ad blocking DNS for your home network! |
| 01:07.09 | Primer | It's what I use mine for |
| 01:07.24 | Primer | https://pi-hole.net/ |
| 01:07.30 | emihir0_ | i'm making private notifications to notify me when i should buy an auction |
| 01:07.53 | emihir0_ | kind of like what TSM or wowuction does and TUJ did, but well... with greater customisation |
| 01:07.53 | VIad | in what language? |
| 01:07.57 | emihir0_ | python |
| 01:07.58 | Primer | I presume you've already figured out how to scrape the auction data from the game? |
| 01:07.59 | VIad | ok |
| 01:08.08 | VIad | and how do you get AH data? |
| 01:09.02 | emihir0_ | i actually already wrote an app for it for private use, but as i said, i wanted to monitor it 24/7 and thought i'd buy raspi so i can learn something about servers too along the way |
| 01:09.58 | VIad | I'll ask again. how do you get the AH data? :P |
| 01:10.00 | emihir0_ | https://i.gyazo.com/38dd06e767eec43cab45478a065425d1.png these are some current auctions that meet my criteria that i should buy |
| 01:10.03 | VIad | there is only one valid answer |
| 01:10.14 | emihir0_ | from the battle net api |
| 01:10.20 | VIad | good |
| 01:10.32 | Primer | I have 10 of those crabs on Darkspear that I'll sell you cheap! |
| 01:11.19 | Primer | Some asshole got a group together to do Warlord of Draenor, said he'd pay this 100 BE pally to rez people over and over, and she did, for hours, then he said he had no gold |
| 01:11.34 | emihir0_ | that's sad |
| 01:11.38 | Primer | Turns out this dude was "famous", one Mathias Zunn |
| 01:11.48 | Primer | So I paid the chick her 10k gold |
| 01:11.49 | VIad | do you abide the "lastModified" field? |
| 01:11.56 | VIad | so you don't update when you dont need to |
| 01:12.08 | Primer | because I felt bad, as I was the "victim"...the race being killed over and over for the achieve |
| 01:12.23 | emihir0_ | yes, I request the lastModified every 30 seconds and compare it with when I last downloaded the data |
| 01:12.25 | Primer | So he gave me 10 of those crabs, said they were worth more than 10k...never sold one |
| 01:12.39 | Primer | He has an Ashran NPC named after him |
| 01:12.48 | Primer | But now I'm stuck with 10 of these fucking crabs |
| 01:12.52 | VIad | there is a mathias on my realm |
| 01:12.55 | VIad | spams chat a lot |
| 01:12.59 | Primer | He's EU |
| 01:13.01 | VIad | yes |
| 01:13.05 | VIad | I am EU too |
| 01:13.07 | Primer | but leveled a toon on Darkspeak |
| 01:13.08 | emihir0_ | although I see TUJ saying stuff like "next auction data in 12 minutes" and stuff like that, so I will have to research a bit on how do they determine an exact time... |
| 01:13.09 | Primer | Darkspear |
| 01:13.14 | Primer | yes, I know, VIad |
| 01:13.14 | VIad | not darkspear :d |
| 01:13.24 | emihir0_ | VIad what server do you play on |
| 01:13.29 | Primer | emihir0_: you have any toons on Darkspear US? |
| 01:13.30 | VIad | so someone imitating maybe |
| 01:13.32 | VIad | auchindoun |
| 01:13.37 | Primer | I'll give you these on consignment :) |
| 01:13.46 | emihir0_ | I play on EU ^_^ |
| 01:14.18 | VIad | emihir0_: I recommend to parse the json but you'd need to make some database work to make it properly clear old data |
| 01:14.40 | VIad | next update, a lot of the auctions will not be there, you can track if it was sold or not based on the timeLeft field - you can guess |
| 01:14.52 | VIad | if it said VERY_LONG but updated 2 min later, then it sold/cancel |
| 01:14.57 | VIad | otherwise expire |
| 01:15.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.34 | VIad | you'd need to at least use the auc ID to track and to have a cleanup system based on timeLeft to purge old auctions |
| 01:15.46 | VIad | foxlit: its easter, oh no! :( |
| 01:16.49 | emihir0_ | well currently I store the data to a sqlite database as it's enough for the current usage and my auctions table is: server, speciesId (i sell batlte pets only), buyout, timestamp; with all 4 being a composite key |
| 01:17.18 | foxlit | yeah, seems doubful they'll delivery anything on Good Friday. |
| 01:17.23 | emihir0_ | for now this design is enough. then in my 'go buy this' table i just list the ones where they join on timestamp = lastModified |
| 01:17.45 | VIad | you can translate the timeLeft to a min value |
| 01:17.47 | emihir0_ | and every 1 hour i run a delete query where timestamp is older than 24 hours pretty much |
| 01:17.54 | VIad | good |
| 01:18.13 | VIad | do you use insert or update statement? |
| 01:18.25 | VIad | so you can make the db do either in one query? |
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| 01:18.49 | VIad | also if you insert a batch its smart to chain them in bulks rather than send each one in separate query |
| 01:18.55 | emihir0_ | actually sqlite doesn't support insert or update, but it does insert or replace |
| 01:19.01 | VIad | aha |
| 01:19.02 | emihir0_ | which is a bit of hassle but not too bad |
| 01:19.25 | Auro | hey, my addon has a couple issues, and its getting quite disorganized. Plus building options menus takes forever. Would it be worth my time to re-write as an Ace3 Addon? |
| 01:19.26 | VIad | tbh |
| 01:19.35 | Auro | Addon reference link - https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking |
| 01:19.49 | VIad | if you only want your code to alert you of stuff you want, you could just parse the json live and queue a notification in a temp file :p |
| 01:21.39 | emihir0_ | well i want to expand a bit in the future, so i prefer to keep the data at least 24 hours old for now |
| 01:22.07 | emihir0_ | i mean, although i dont use it, it's better to have them and be able to easily use them in future, rather htan go back and re-design stuff in order to store them |
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| 01:23.19 | VIad | unsure how sqlite is performance wise, but mariadb is probably quicker, IF you use the correct features in the correct circumstances :p |
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| 01:24.15 | emihir0_ | sqlite is not a very scalable solution, it's 'lite' for a reason :D. however, it is enough for my current needs (and it needs no prior setups other than import sqlite3 as it's even preinstalled in from like pytohn 2.7 version) |
| 01:25.22 | emihir0_ | overall i wanted to learn 2 things, 1) setup a server that hosts a DB that i can connect into (non-wow related in future, but wow-related now makes the learning process a bit more enjoyable) and 2) host a website that connects to the database... |
| 01:26.12 | emihir0_ | (and ofc some basic web design but that's not the main focus, main focus is being able to display online if i make a change in the database) :P |
| 01:26.35 | VIad | I have ngix and mysql installed on my pc for dev purposes |
| 01:26.41 | VIad | using it for web things |
| 01:26.50 | VIad | makes it easier to deploy stuff as well |
| 01:26.55 | emihir0_ | what is ngix |
| 01:26.57 | VIad | since it would be mysql ready or what ever |
| 01:27.06 | VIad | http server like apache2 |
| 01:27.21 | VIad | it can do a lot of neat things |
| 01:27.51 | emihir0_ | well i have absolutely 0 idea about servers now, hence i wanted to start up with something simple... like make a database that will request and store last 24 hours of auctions concerning battle pets :P |
| 01:28.07 | emihir0_ | to which i can connect (and maybe display online) |
| 01:28.14 | foxlit | (it would help if you spelled it correctly, viad.) |
| 01:28.29 | VIad | sorry |
| 01:28.38 | VIad | nginx |
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| 01:29.53 | emihir0_ | i've seen apache mentioned here and there, but in all honesty i have absolutely no idea about what it is/why do we need it/how does one use it or anything like that... and going into detail about that is out of scope for tonight too :D |
| 01:30.34 | VIad | you can go to http://localhost and browse what ever you make |
| 01:30.43 | Primer | he neant nginx |
| 01:30.56 | Primer | oh, I see he corrected it already |
| 01:31.09 | VIad | it's not good enough, it never is with foxlit |
| 01:31.19 | Primer | same here |
| 01:32.12 | emihir0_ | *confession time: when i googled ngix it simply assumed i wanted nginx in first place, so no worries, all good :D* |
| 01:32.44 | VIad | you can google "spacebarnotworking" |
| 01:32.51 | VIad | it will fix it for you without even asking |
| 01:35.50 | Trela | "No results containing all your search terms were found. Your search - "sparebarnotworking" - did not match any documents. " |
| 01:36.03 | Trela | Minus a space there. |
| 01:36.09 | Trela | Oh, spare bar. |
| 01:36.19 | VIad | :D |
| 01:36.33 | Trela | Well, still does not work, but I get results now. :P |
| 01:36.33 | VIad | hate it when the spare bar does that |
| 01:37.28 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1458610646.png |
| 01:37.37 | VIad | it doesnt suggest "spacebarnotworking" that is fun |
| 01:38.19 | Trela | I automatically quote all searches because Google is a bastard. |
| 01:38.27 | VIad | :p |
| 01:38.36 | VIad | but then it would probably complain |
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| 01:51.09 | Gnamra | For displaying text in my frame, am I supposed to use MessageFrame? |
| 01:52.16 | VIad | ಠ_ಠ|
| 01:52.29 | VIad | Gnamra: you can print("stuff", "more stuff") if you just debug |
| 01:52.55 | Gnamra | I know, but I need to display some text on the frame |
| 01:53.07 | VIad | chat frame? |
| 01:53.55 | Gnamra | no the main frame of my addon |
| 01:54.29 | VIad | you need a widget in your frame that allows showing text - then obj:SetText("stuff") it :p |
| 01:55.41 | Semlar | a font string |
| 01:55.46 | Gnamra | Yes, and I'm trying to figure out which widget to use. But I think I found it. FontString looks like the thing I need |
| 01:55.48 | Gnamra | yeah |
| 01:56.01 | VIad | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets |
| 01:56.15 | VIad | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 01:56.53 | Gnamra | Ooh that second link is nice, thanks! |
| 01:57.46 | VIad | dont thank me |
| 01:57.47 | VIad | I didnt make it |
| 01:57.52 | VIad | it is useful to visualize |
| 02:02.17 | VIad | ouch. saw someone get their eye cut by a cat :< |
| 02:02.21 | fewyn | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/donmojis |
| 02:02.23 | VIad | blood everywhere |
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| 02:12.12 | emihir0_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI&feature=youtu.be gn guys, thanks for the help ^_^ |
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| 04:01.58 | Fisker | travels back to the future to hug Cairenn |
| 04:02.06 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 04:14.39 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker and maybe Cairenn. |
| 04:14.49 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
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| 04:26.27 | Fisker | Where's the Blizzcon Cairenn ? |
| 04:26.40 | Cairenn | I dunno Fisker |
| 04:26.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:31.49 | mckenziemc | Fisker's house |
| 04:42.33 | karl_w_w | Blizzcon's gonna be the Fiskiest |
| 05:00.41 | mckenziemc | discreetly Fiskers karl_w_w. |
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| 07:52.42 | jnwhiteh | Anyone play Hearthstone? |
| 07:52.44 | jnwhiteh | Should I play the expansions/solo adventures? |
| 07:52.52 | jnwhiteh | They're expensive but I suspect they're reasonably fun as well |
| 07:53.00 | FireSiku | They really are. |
| 07:53.28 | FireSiku | If you want to try the Naxxramas available at all, you need to buy one wing before Whispers of the Old Gods comes out next month. |
| 07:53.53 | FireSiku | The other adventures can wait, but that one is being "retired" for some silly reasons. |
| 07:54.04 | jnwhiteh | is there a cost difference between buying all wings vs one wing? |
| 07:54.17 | FireSiku | Only if buying with real money |
| 07:54.21 | jnwhiteh | I suspect the cards are worth it as well, based on what I'm seeing |
| 07:54.32 | jnwhiteh | I have to buy with real money, 700g per wing is SUPER expensive |
| 07:54.32 | FireSiku | Naxxramas has a LOT of very very powerful cards |
| 07:54.33 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 07:54.45 | FireSiku | It really is :/ |
| 07:55.10 | jnwhiteh | £17.99 is also expensive, but I have more money than I have gold :P |
| 07:55.13 | FireSiku | :P |
| 07:55.31 | FireSiku | Buying all wings saves ~$5 if I remember correctly. |
| 07:55.53 | jnwhiteh | thanks =) |
| 07:55.57 | jnwhiteh | I've been enjoying lately |
| 07:56.04 | jnwhiteh | my boyfriend is a bit stressed out by HoTS |
| 07:56.10 | jnwhiteh | so I can't play that very much with him |
| 07:56.20 | FireSiku | My favorite thing about adventures is how the fights are really thematically accurate to WoW. |
| 07:56.43 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 07:56.43 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 07:56.46 | jnwhiteh | its only 166 SEK |
| 07:57.14 | FireSiku | Patchwerk is a pure dps race for example. His deck has no cards, he just hit your face over and over, also, hateful strikes. |
| 07:58.07 | jnwhiteh | Loatheb was really good in the most recent brawl =) |
| 07:58.49 | FireSiku | As long as the enemy doesnt have a summoning stone. |
| 08:01.00 | FireSiku | Wooooow |
| 08:01.51 | mckenziemc | i'm going to bed two hours late because of math that isn't even for my classes :o |
| 08:02.15 | FireSiku | Buying the 50 Pack of the new expansion will charge canadians $49.99 USD (which is $65 due to our low dollar) |
| 08:03.01 | FireSiku | ...But the Google Play Store will always charge in your local currency, making the packs costs $49.99 CAD |
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| 08:03.37 | FireSiku | I'm pretty sure this is something that should get fixed. |
| 08:06.16 | jnwhiteh | haha that's awesome |
| 08:06.22 | jnwhiteh | I should check what the play store will do in Sweden :P |
| 08:06.27 | jnwhiteh | alright, time to fly to Munich |
| 08:06.29 | jnwhiteh | <3 <3 |
| 08:07.06 | Kalroth | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254 :( |
| 08:07.40 | NuSuey | Kalroth: yeah, fuck.. |
| 08:09.39 | FireSiku | Apparently the play store ends up as a 50% discount for brazillian players too. |
| 08:10.58 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 08:12.40 | FireSiku | Kalroth: Well, that's shitty :( |
| 08:29.24 | karl_w_w | I enjoy websites emailing me my password |
| 08:30.03 | karl_w_w | it makes me wonder how the people who created those websites managed to get a job |
| 08:33.05 | NuSuey | karl_w_w: yup :/ I should probably delete my account from those websites but I always forget |
| 08:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, is there an easy way to check file contents of a whole folder pretty quickly in windows? indexing the addons folder didn't seem to work |
| 08:40.44 | Mr_Rabies | trying to see what's gonna break tomorrow |
| 08:42.03 | Mr_Rabies | ooh, there's a setting |
| 08:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/265x144xindex-02.png.pagespeed.gp+jp+jw+pj+js+rj+rp+rw+ri+cp+md.ic.icC5xAR8ro.png |
| 08:42.18 | Mr_Rabies | what a filename |
| 08:58.46 | Semlar | brussels is not having a good day |
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| 10:43.12 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wooyun.io/2016/02/29/44.html foxlit... maybe? no idea. :PÂ |
| 10:55.47 | VIad | Gnarfoz: since wow has no string.dump I guess we are, safe? |
| 10:56.32 | Gnarfoz | I just glanced over it, no idea |
| 10:58.10 | foxlit | you can't load bytecode in wow. |
| 10:58.45 | VIad | can you still do what carbonite did long time ago though? |
| 10:58.52 | VIad | I'd assume yes |
| 11:01.45 | Gnarfoz | sure |
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| 13:09.15 | Guill | Happy Patch Day! |
| 13:09.52 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 13:10.20 | Fisker | Not so much happy about anything else though |
| 13:10.47 | Guill | What do you mean? It's Tuesday! That means we're 1 day closer to the weekend! \o/ |
| 13:11.05 | nevcairiel | Also 1 day closer to death |
| 13:11.07 | nevcairiel | consider that! |
| 13:11.07 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 13:11.10 | Fisker | We even have easter :P |
| 13:11.10 | Phixion | :( |
| 13:11.16 | Fisker | Belgium was attacked Guill |
| 13:11.32 | nevcairiel | muricans dont really get days off around things like easter i dont think |
| 13:11.35 | Guill | o.O Haven't read the news yet today. |
| 13:11.42 | Fisker | I wouldn't doubt that |
| 13:11.45 | Fisker | it's like 6am right? |
| 13:11.46 | Fisker | :D |
| 13:11.54 | Guill | Yeah, just after 6 here now. |
| 13:12.12 | foxlit | those hours of morning don't exist. |
| 13:12.18 | Fisker | They do here |
| 13:12.25 | Fisker | Which country do you live in foxlit ? |
| 13:12.39 | Fisker | Anyway easter tomorrow, so thursday->monday off |
| 13:12.53 | Fisker | Gonna water my virtual farm so hard |
| 13:12.58 | nevcairiel | you have thursday already off? |
| 13:13.04 | nevcairiel | crazy danes |
| 13:13.19 | nevcairiel | for us its only friday and sunday |
| 13:13.22 | nevcairiel | eh monday |
| 13:13.26 | foxlit | friday and monday sounds right. |
| 13:13.36 | Arrow|work | i dont get any of them off or even get holiday pay |
| 13:13.44 | Arrow|work | next holiday for us is memorial day |
| 13:13.58 | nevcairiel | america doesnt seem to have any religious holidays |
| 13:14.04 | nevcairiel | short of christmas |
| 13:14.38 | nevcairiel | all sorts of political whacko days |
| 13:14.44 | Arrow|work | well despite what some believe we are not a religious country |
| 13:15.01 | nevcairiel | still a high concentration of religious weirdos =p |
| 13:15.23 | Fisker | We're not religious either but the days off we'll take |
| 13:15.25 | Fisker | \o/ |
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| 13:34.46 | Gnarfoz | so variedly religious, in fact, that it'd be hard to agree on religious holidays to celebrate or not celebrate? |
| 13:36.47 | foxlit | I have a feeling they just don't like holidays. |
| 13:46.47 | Fisker | same |
| 13:58.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.27 | Gnarfoz | that... is a picture |
| 14:03.11 | Maldivia | that's not a lib |
| 14:04.04 | foxlit | what were you expecting? |
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| 14:23.48 | Auro | hey is anyone free? I have some organization questions for AddOns |
| 14:24.34 | Guill | Auro: Ask, don't ask to ask :) |
| 14:25.07 | foxlit | dammit Semlar. |
| 14:26.18 | Auro | Lol no worries i'll ask. I wrote an AddOn that creates a CM Style Timer for Timewalking, and Restyles the CM Timer for CMs. A lot of the code overlaps, some of it doesnt. Right now its really unorganized and its just hard to develop in. I want to re-program it in Ace3 since it seems like a lot of the UI stuff will be easier long term. I'm just not sure how to seperate the code. Heres my old AddOn https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking |
| 14:28.52 | foxlit | that's a bit too broad to be answerable. |
| 14:29.16 | Auro | Hmm, should I be stuffing all my code in Core.lua? |
| 14:30.27 | foxlit | (also, can't really help with Ace3-specific details; libraries are a bit of a pain) |
| 14:31.44 | Auro | Ah ok! It seems to simplify some of the issues I was having, especially with creating Addon Panels but I don't have any real experience with using Ace3 |
| 14:34.29 | foxlit | In general, stuff all your code in whatever form you're comfortable with. |
| 14:35.00 | End | when you say "panels", do you mean addon options screen? |
| 14:35.16 | Auro | Yes |
| 14:35.27 | foxlit | if there is a logical way to split things apart that you would be happy with, go with that. If there isn't, I'm sure I've shipped giant piles of unrelated junk in one file. |
| 14:35.49 | Auro | Yeah thats a good point |
| 14:39.57 | End | I wouldn't say Ace3 has too much opinion on how you organize it other than it has a concept of an mixinable AceAddon, which can contain multiple mixinable modules, but you don't need to use that to use the config stuff |
| 14:39.57 | foxlit | UI-related code is generally longer and more boring than the addon logic. Ideally, find some way to isolate it to providing some abstraction/API that the rest of your addon uses. |
| 14:41.33 | Auro | Hmmm, yeah one of the major things that drew my attention was being able to hook in SharedMedia easily. But tbh I haven't done much research with how to integrate SharedMedia w/o Ace3 |
| 14:43.25 | End | you can query SharedMedia without Ace3...it's just a LibStub based library |
| 14:43.44 | Auro | What does LibStub do exactly? |
| 14:44.36 | End | not a lot...basically it's a library registry, and it helps facilitate library upgrades when you have multiple embedded versions |
| 14:44.47 | Auro | Ah ok! |
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| 14:50.24 | End | anyway, you'd probably *would* want to use Ace3 (specifically AceConfig and friends) for the SharedMedia widget, although I don't remember who provides the widget, it might be a seperate library |
| 14:50.57 | Auro | I think so, i've found the page before |
| 14:51.22 | nevcairiel | its a separate thing, but using such a widget outside of aceconfig is kinda painful |
| 14:52.15 | Auro | Well besides the disorganization, the real problem before I can release my Speedwalking AddOn is that sometimes it doesnt pop up for a couple people that have tested. It all happens around Line 634. It always pops up after reload UI, not always on zone in. However its always poped up in both scenarios for me - https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking/blob/master/Speedwalking.lua#L634 |
| 14:52.39 | nevcairiel | if you dont already have your own UI abstraction, and all you need is simple options, AceConfig is probably not too hard to learn to use |
| 14:53.06 | Auro | So are you saying use AceConfig just for the Interface Panel rather than the whole addon? |
| 14:53.47 | nevcairiel | most Ace3 components are quite separate, you can just use AceConfig to create your options panel, and not use anything else from Ace3 |
| 14:54.03 | Auro | Hmm thats really good to know |
| 14:56.36 | foxlit | config panel libraries fall into the uncanny valley for me: either what you're doing is so simple that you might as well do it directly (i.e. you need two checkboxes and a text box), or so complicated that the library design ends up being constraining. |
| 14:57.53 | Auro | Yeah, I do have a working interface panel. I just really wanted to add font changing support |
| 14:58.24 | Auro | The code is really messy though, especially for loading values on load, and setting values on first load |
| 15:00.44 | foxlit | er, framexml provides a "hey, you should update your configuration to show current values" callback. |
| 15:01.14 | foxlit | write a giant function that syncs controls to internal state. |
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| 15:01.55 | mckenziemc | hugs Lopeppeppy on behalf of Fisker. |
| 15:18.14 | karl_w_w | is this true Fisker? |
| 15:21.05 | End | mckenziemc has power of hug for fisker, of course it is true. it's like power of attorney but for hugs |
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| 15:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, mckenziemc. I think you showed admirable restraint in not bowling me over. :) |
| 15:41.21 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:45.01 | Arrow|work | from work irc, "why is there a big spider crawling up my leg?" "oh frank got out of the box" |
| 15:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Fisker! |
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| 15:55.19 | Gnarfoz | Arrow|work: if Frank had stayed in the box, he wouldn't have had to deal with spiders |
| 15:56.52 | Auro | Can I unset a script? |
| 15:57.33 | Gnarfoz | SetScript(frame, nil) |
| 15:57.35 | Gnarfoz | (I think) |
| 15:57.45 | Gnarfoz | or at least along those lines. set it to nil. |
| 15:57.54 | nevcairiel | well besides the syntax being all kinds of wrong, just setting it to nil works |
| 15:58.09 | Auro | cool ty! |
| 15:58.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: stop judging me :( |
| 15:58.50 | nevcairiel | I don't judge, I execute |
| 15:58.55 | Gnarfoz | RunScript()? |
| 15:59.32 | nevcairiel | its frame:SetScript("OnFunnyness", nil) |
| 16:00.35 | foxlit | which isn't really that far away from SetScript(frame, "OnFun", nil) |
| 16:00.54 | nevcairiel | but thats not what he had! |
| 16:00.54 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:01.04 | foxlit | edit distance of one arg :P |
| 16:03.18 | Gnarfoz | Levenshtein would have approved |
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| 16:46.09 | VIad | Auro: |
| 16:46.14 | Auro | Hi! |
| 16:46.59 | VIad | you are assigning global _ |
| 16:47.05 | VIad | local _ on top of your file :p |
| 16:47.08 | VIad | just to be safe I guess |
| 16:47.24 | VIad | dec_64/enc_64 are globals, I guess that is the purpose |
| 16:47.42 | VIad | you also leak a relativePoint and relativeTo |
| 16:48.30 | VIad | you have some scoping issues |
| 16:49.57 | VIad | http://pastebin.com/raw/j6Dp4Kv5 |
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| 16:50.34 | VIad | I can recommend http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 16:50.56 | Auro | wow tyvm for the feedback |
| 16:51.01 | VIad | helps you figure out if you are accidentally writing or reading from the global scope |
| 16:51.30 | VIad | think your dec/enc had a reference to a "b" from global, tsk tsk :p |
| 16:52.12 | VIad | in case where you use a global variable, like "point" or "b" some other addon might also forget and write to these, and that will mess both of you up |
| 16:54.28 | Auro | yeah that makes sense, maybe fixing some of these global conflicts will help solve the issue i'm experiencing with load (for some users) |
| 16:56.32 | VIad | could be |
| 16:56.47 | VIad | don't be afraid to use local in functions that do stuff :p |
| 16:56.54 | VIad | to keep it in said scope |
| 16:57.37 | Auro | Currently i'm re-writing the addon using Ace3 and just trying to organize things better so i'll make sure to keep scope in mind while I move code |
| 16:58.20 | Auro | The code i'm writing right now overlaps a little bit between CMs and Timewalking but not as much as I thought it would, Seems like it'll be better to keep the code more seperate |
| 17:07.11 | Auro | Ty for your help, restarting my computer real fast |
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| 18:13.25 | relaxok | erf |
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| 18:21.13 | Semlar | foxlit: lol |
| 18:21.38 | Simca_ | <Gnarfoz> Levenshtein would have approved |
| 18:21.40 | Simca_ | nice reference |
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| 19:28.34 | Auro | how do I make a frame "clickthrough" |
| 19:32.08 | Simca_ | there is a method to make it accept clicks or reject clicks, let me check rq in my addon that uses it. |
| 19:34.00 | Auro | I set http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/EnableMouse to false but the frame is still blocking clicks (trying to click mobs behind it) |
| 19:41.13 | Guill | Aurora: What do you mean by "set to false"? Did you call :EnableMouse(false)? |
| 19:41.23 | Guill | s/Aurora/Auro |
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| 19:42.51 | Auro | speedwalkingFrame.unlocked = false; speedwalkingFrame:SetMovable(speedwalkingFrame.unlocked); |
| 19:42.51 | Auro | speedwalkingFrame:EnableMouse(speedwalkingFrame.unlocked); |
| 19:46.37 | VIad | so you are passing it false then, Auro |
| 19:47.43 | VIad | :EnableMouse(false) should do the trick |
| 19:47.56 | VIad | but its layer might be a factor too |
| 19:48.59 | Guill | Auro: What happens if you /dump speedwalkingFrame:IsMouseEnabled()? And if you mouseover it and /dump GetMouseFocus()? Is it possible that you have some child frame that still has the mouse enabled? |
| 19:49.02 | Auro | yeah, do you think I should try manually setting it to false? |
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| 19:49.24 | Auro | says true Guill |
| 19:49.55 | Guill | Auro: Are you certain that you're calling :EnableMouse(false) then? What happens if you manually call it via /script? |
| 19:50.03 | VIad | then you arent setting it on the right frame maybe :p |
| 19:52.00 | Auro | So, /script speedwalkingFrame:EnableMouse(false); works |
| 19:52.02 | Auro | but |
| 19:52.19 | Auro | I can't see how its any different then speedwalkingFrame:EnableMouse(speedwalkingFrame.unlocked); where speedwalkingFrame.unlocked = false; |
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| 19:53.42 | VIad | its the same. we are just trying to figure out if the simplest api calls fixes the issue or not |
| 19:54.10 | Auro | yeah i'm just confused haha |
| 19:54.41 | VIad | do /fstack and find the right frame to run your widget commands at |
| 19:54.53 | VIad | make sure you are doing it right and such. basic debugging. |
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| 19:55.36 | VIad | remember /fstack and /dump and write it down in your diary |
| 19:57.11 | Auro | yeah I just learned about /dump right now lol its awesome. I was writing out /script print(then what I wanted); |
| 19:57.16 | Auro | This is the /fstack http://i.imgur.com/e5ptL1c.png |
| 19:57.24 | VIad | yes |
| 19:57.32 | VIad | you see the tooltip telling you your frames |
| 19:58.00 | VIad | you got two frames it seems, try your api on both and see if you are doing it right :p |
| 19:58.13 | VIad | by default frames are not picked up with the mouse |
| 19:58.29 | VIad | alternatively see where in your code you register your mouse in the existing code |
| 19:59.24 | Auro | Well I create the frames here, so both the other frames I made are parented by speedwalkingFrame - https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking/blob/master/Speedwalking.lua#L1 |
| 19:59.46 | Auro | All the mouse code happens here, after I set EnableMouse(false) https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking/blob/master/Speedwalking.lua#L784 |
| 20:00.46 | Auro | The only other place I touch it is by the toggle - https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking/blob/master/Speedwalking.lua#L309 but this code shouldn't be running at all in the tests |
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| 20:02.48 | foxlit | just for fun, toggle it twice using your settings checkbox. |
| 20:02.52 | foxlit | The frame is now magically locked. |
| 20:03.11 | Auro | The frame was locked, but now its clickthrough |
| 20:03.37 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/gBKH3cj.gif |
| 20:03.41 | Auro | Or maybe its been movable and the other code was preventing it from moving lol |
| 20:04.19 | foxlit | you're right, I should've said click-through. |
| 20:06.01 | Auro | It just seems like the code to set it EnableMouse(false) isn't running on addon load |
| 20:06.30 | foxlit | There's a perfectly logical explanation for what's going on, but I'm a bad person who is too easily amused by watching viad try to figure it out. |
| 20:07.00 | VIad | I am not trying to solve it tbh, watching a movie :p |
| 20:07.19 | Auro | lol! |
| 20:07.24 | foxlit | So, um, ã¬ã³ãã¬ï¼ |
| 20:07.31 | VIad | you have the tools you need to solve it, auro |
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| 20:12.49 | Auro | Alrighty got it :) ty guys! - https://github.com/OhBizzle/Speedwalking/commit/9362fe59dc1d070f6ad6f9e2b440ea0fbe29c0c2 |
| 20:13.02 | Auro | Just moved EnableMouse(false) after I setup the mouse scripts |
| 20:13.34 | foxlit | and why does that help? |
| 20:15.05 | foxlit | (don't get me wrong; that's certainly the right solution) |
| 20:15.52 | Auro | I think Setting Mouse Scripts enables the mouse |
| 20:16.00 | Auro | But i'm not 100% |
| 20:22.50 | foxlit | that's the correct explanation. |
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| 20:43.50 | Unkle | foxlit: I think you need another major addon project. Then you'll be too busy to toy with folks in the channel. :p |
| 20:45.53 | Simca_ | implement wow in lua |
| 20:51.50 | Unkle | including an embedded Lua interpreter ... |
| 20:52.47 | zenzelezz | then implement javascript inside that |
| 20:56.27 | Unkle | which is capable of loading Minecraft. |
| 20:57.03 | Unkle | reductio ad absurdum |
| 21:08.09 | zenzelezz | don't be silly |
| 21:14.35 | FireSiku | Oh hey, one of the addons I use wasn't updated to 6.2.4, I thought it would just break that addon's functionality, but turns out it also prevents BNet whispers from showing up in chat. |
| 21:14.39 | FireSiku | Great |
| 21:15.46 | zenzelezz | all of your whispers are belong to us |
| 21:28.42 | foxlit | in unrelated news, globe is now slightly more tolerant of weird zips. |
| 21:29.17 | foxlit | you should be able to upload e.g. a github-generated zip of an addon; like https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:9cddba3ff602af6c57c70b84bb9db768 |
| 21:36.50 | FireSiku | What does Globe do? |
| 21:39.48 | Primer | It tells you how bad an addon writer you are |
| 21:41.05 | FireSiku | Oh god |
| 21:41.18 | FireSiku | Ill upload my addon and it'll show seven billion things. |
| 21:41.18 | Primer | There is no god |
| 21:44.24 | FireSiku | ..... |
| 21:45.22 | FireSiku | Well, I learned things i would rather not have known. |
| 21:45.44 | FireSiku | Overall though, I really like this. |
| 21:47.09 | FireSiku | Okay, not cool |
| 21:47.27 | FireSiku | Libraries have have "Not referenced" and a "Referenced and Bundled" |
| 21:47.31 | FireSiku | and they're the same color. |
| 21:47.43 | FireSiku | That's not helpful at all |
| 21:48.30 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/cb.png |
| 21:49.40 | FireSiku | Staring intensely at the screen, I can vaguely, possibly see a difference in shade. Maybe. Most likely my brain saying "You're colorblind and you cant see it you moron, but its there" |
| 21:49.59 | nevcairiel | looks like distinct colors to me |
| 21:50.47 | FireSiku | D: |
| 21:52.13 | foxlit | maybe your monitor is bad. |
| 21:54.53 | foxlit | anyway, the not referenced label is a little dubious, since people sometimes do "weird" .. " things" which it doesn't really cope with. |
| 21:56.38 | FireSiku | WEll, I really like the not reference label because sometimes you remove code and you dont remove the associated library. So that's neat. I just... really can't tell the difference apart. |
| 21:57.28 | FireSiku | Until a friend told me, I didnt know there was a difference between guild chat and system messages either though. |
| 21:57.56 | nevcairiel | arent system messages yellow and guild chat green |
| 21:58.05 | FireSiku | Yes |
| 21:58.15 | nevcairiel | well maybe we shouldnt use you to judge colors then =p |
| 21:58.19 | Stanzilla | ok you are color blind |
| 21:58.40 | foxlit | FireSiku: you can click the legend labels |
| 21:58.51 | foxlit | it'll hide anything matched by that label. |
| 21:59.06 | FireSiku | Well |
| 21:59.21 | FireSiku | That just fixes everything. Holy shit. |
| 22:00.10 | pompy | http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/22/11283874/xkcd-textbooks-randall-munroe |
| 22:01.39 | FireSiku | Oh god, honestly when I clicked on a The Verge linked, I expected them to say XKCD was offensive or something. |
| 22:06.52 | foxlit | pompy: I can't tell at what age that is being targetted. |
| 22:08.10 | FireSiku | foxlit: Can there be a way to filter libraries out of "Unaccessed Variables" ? |
| 22:08.43 | foxlit | FireSiku: awkwardly. |
| 22:09.06 | foxlit | You can ignore individual files under the File loading order section |
| 22:12.42 | foxlit | or you could sort by file and just ignore files you're not interested in. |
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| 23:01.30 | Simca_ | pompy: I think that's pretty neat |
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| 23:24.11 | Simca_ | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742985141 too bad they don't have test realms for world of warcraft |
| 23:24.26 | Simca_ | or had indications of these things being broken on said test realms |
| 23:24.28 | Simca_ | oh wait. |
| 23:24.39 | Simca_ | they do, and they did. |
| 23:24.43 | Simca_ | sigh |
| 23:27.22 | foxlit | which puts them marginally ahead of curse QA. |
| 23:28.13 | Simca_ | very true |
| 23:28.27 | Simca_ | though i feel there is perhaps a slight difference in scale between the two companies |
| 23:28.58 | foxlit | right, so that's a far greater achievement than it seems. |
| 23:31.43 | foxlit | (accountability and the ability to not ship crap seems to scale inversely with head counts) |
| 23:33.21 | Simca_ | possibly? but the stakes are just so different that it isn't really comparable. |
| 23:35.02 | Unkle | Patch QA is ... a difficult task. |
| 23:35.34 | foxlit | dunno; they don't directly lose money as a consequence of wow technical issues. |
| 23:36.29 | Simca_ | that seems contradictory to common sense |
| 23:37.46 | foxlit | someone would actually have to cancel their subscription, which seems disproportionate to a few hours of problems. |
| 23:37.46 | Simca_ | the part that baffles me is like: you have an RC on PTR. you have various reported serious issues. You release this patch to Live anyway. Various serious issues occur. Why do this? |
| 23:39.02 | foxlit | (conversely, if a website goes 503 for a few hours, those delicious ad views are lost forever.) |
