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| 01:08.03 | relaxok | in lua if you have something like local bNetFriends, charFriends, guildMates = C_LFGList.GetSearchResultFriends(resultID); and then something does for i = 1, #bNetFriends... what is bNetFriends? |
| 01:09.10 | relaxok | a table? |
| 01:12.41 | Iriel | most likely, an array style table |
| 01:14.23 | relaxok | how do you create one of those? |
| 01:15.10 | Iriel | x={1,2,3,4,5} |
| 01:18.38 | relaxok | oh, derp |
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| 02:01.54 | Simca | yeah, # is like a count or length method in any other language, with the restriction that it only works properly on tables that are using consecutive integer keys |
| 02:02.45 | Simca | (i.e. x = {}; x[0] = 0; x[5] = 5; would have #x return '1', since the integer keys are non-consecutive) |
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| 02:14.01 | Iriel | Simca: It returns 0, because lua isn't 0 based |
| 02:14.15 | Simca | derp |
| 02:14.36 | Iriel | if you'd done x[1] = 1 and x[5] = 5, it could return 1 OR 5 |
| 02:14.56 | Iriel | though the current implementation is almost definitely going to return 1 |
| 02:15.08 | Simca | too much C++. spent the last 2 days rewriting a program I wrote when I was new to programming that is extremely useful and extremely badly written. think i've changed like 1200 lines so far lol |
| 02:16.01 | Stanzilla | what does it do |
| 02:17.51 | Simca | reads every db2 related to displaying items + a listfile and then constructs sets missing from the db2s but present in the listfile |
| 02:22.25 | Simca | was made in the early WoD days when literally every set was like that |
| 02:23.13 | Simca | (well, every new set is still like that, too.) |
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| 04:57.39 | mckenziemc | gives Fisker a friendly stab and hugs Cairenn. |
| 04:57.53 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 05:01.17 | Amarande | G'evening |
| 05:03.17 | Amarande | so, is june 30 for legion real or wishful thinking? |
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| 05:26.02 | ccox | wishful thinking |
| 05:27.10 | [TOM_RUS] | june 21 looks more reasonable |
| 05:33.50 | Fisker | prehugs Cairenn |
| 05:34.28 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 05:36.57 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/6zuT549.gif <-god damn ninjas Cairenn |
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| 05:51.06 | mckenziemc | catches Fisker attempting an illegal operation. |
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| 06:36.14 | karl_w_w | wow Fisker, linking a gif in [current year] |
| 06:37.55 | kullervo | http://i.imgur.com/G2e1hvm.gif |
| 06:38.37 | karl_w_w | i cant work out what happens to that woman |
| 06:39.01 | kullervo | walks behind the other woman |
| 06:39.04 | kullervo | also edited |
| 06:39.38 | kullervo | the background is mostly flat surface, the task would be trivial |
| 06:40.14 | karl_w_w | you see her shadow take a step when she's behind the other woman but then the shadow disappears too :P |
| 06:40.30 | karl_w_w | maybe he's standing in front of a green screen and it's all an elaborate ruse |
| 06:41.48 | kullervo | just watch it frame by frame |
| 06:42.00 | kullervo | it's fairly obvious the woman in front blocks the other one |
| 06:42.03 | kullervo | shadow and all |
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| 07:00.55 | Simca_ | for the woman in front to block the other one though, the other woman would have to moving very, very quickly because of the difference in distance relative to the camera |
| 07:01.38 | Simca_ | and at the rate she is turning casually when the first woman walks by, it's virtually impossible |
| 07:03.54 | FireSiku | I looked for ninjas, I didnt see anything wrong with that gif. Then Simca is talking about women blocking another and im like "I dont recall that ever happeening" |
| 07:04.11 | FireSiku | Look back at gif, How did I miss that? What happened to her D: |
| 07:05.40 | Simca_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y |
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| 08:42.53 | VIad | hmm. how can this user have so much reputation? http://www.wowhead.com/user=Gontier |
| 08:43.23 | VIad | meanwhile http://www.wowhead.com/user=Nulgar at second place with 498276 rep less :P |
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| 09:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | tons of upvotes |
| 09:36.43 | Mr_Rabies | also this show has some pretty good faces http://i.imgur.com/Lchmfv9.png |
| 09:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | errr, slightly less hueg image http://i.imgur.com/7z6vq2I.png |
| 09:48.36 | relaxok | can someone explain mixins? |
| 09:48.45 | relaxok | or point to a description |
| 09:50.06 | relaxok | UIErrorsFrame has mixins="UIErrorsMixin" in its definition |
| 09:50.44 | relaxok | then method="OnLoad" and "OnEvent" in its Scripts, and there's no OnLoad or OnEvent for UIErrorsFrame but they're in the uierrorsframe.lua for UIErrorsMixin:OnLoad/OnEvent so i'm assuming thats related |
| 09:52.21 | FireSiku | A mixin is basically a collection of functions inside an object that you can share with other objects. |
| 09:53.35 | relaxok | okay i think ive got it then |
| 09:53.40 | FireSiku | Example, you have Foo.A and Foo.B, if you use Foo as a mixin for Bar, then you can call Bar.A() and Bar.B() as if Bar was the owner of the functions |
| 09:54.34 | Mr_Rabies | i sorta learned a new thing today already and it's only 6am |
| 09:54.54 | Mr_Rabies | look at me, i'm learnin' smarts, folks |
| 09:56.33 | relaxok | FireSiku: got it |
| 09:57.19 | FireSiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.31 | FireSiku | So much for going to sleep at 4am :/ |
| 09:58.18 | relaxok | any idea how you can put a table's function on the stack like you can if the function is a global, with getglobal (in the c api)? |
| 09:59.31 | relaxok | like in your example above.. lua_getglobal( state, "Bar_A" ) is valid but lua_getglobal( state, "Bar.A" ) is not |
| 09:59.35 | relaxok | nor is "Bar:A" |
| 10:01.50 | FireSiku | probably because Bar_A would be a global named "Bar_A", while Bar.A is a global named "Bar", with a key "A" inside of it. |
| 10:02.36 | FireSiku | and Bar:A is shorthand for Bar.A(self) if I'm not mistaken |
| 10:03.50 | nevcairiel | relaxok: you would lookup the global table and then a member of said table? |
| 10:04.10 | relaxok | doh |
| 10:04.12 | relaxok | good point =( |
| 10:04.30 | nevcairiel | ie lua_getglobal followed by lua_getfield |
| 10:05.26 | relaxok | yeah |
| 10:05.54 | FireSiku | I'm not too much knowledgeable of the lua C api :x |
| 10:31.08 | Gnarfoz | Alram: which of the free apps in the Oculus VR store do I want to try out this GearVR? any of them good? or is one of the paid ones super awesome and I should get it? |
| 10:32.02 | nevcairiel | oh right you got a free GearVR didnt you |
| 10:32.50 | Gnarfoz | I did |
| 10:33.04 | Gnarfoz | it was the mysterious package I got a notification from DHL for |
| 10:33.29 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: Naughty America VR ? :D |
| 10:33.37 | Gnarfoz | which was supposed to arrive Friday, but didn't, was rescheduled for Saturday (which can't work since the office is closed, they apparently tried anyway, dumbasses that they are), now it's here |
| 10:33.47 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: I don't think that's in the Oculus store |
| 10:34.19 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: but I know it's on my BT tracker (is that just video? or do I need some special player) |
| 10:34.37 | nevcairiel | probably a player as well |
| 10:35.05 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: saw this video yesterday, that's why I know of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZaZQH3I54 |
| 10:36.56 | Gnarfoz | probably not going to click on that at work |
| 10:36.56 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 10:37.04 | nevcairiel | its censored |
| 10:37.16 | nevcairiel | unless porn in the title is already bad |
| 10:42.10 | Gnarfoz | it's also straight-up overriding my volume settings :D |
| 10:42.26 | Gnarfoz | PLEASE INSERT YOUR PHONE TO BEGIN SETUP |
| 10:42.31 | Gnarfoz | (or something) |
| 10:45.31 | relaxok | nevcairiel: do you know in the C api how you would iterate through a table's key-value pairs to e.g. test if the value is a function type? |
| 10:45.56 | relaxok | like if you start with the table on the stack |
| 10:46.11 | nevcairiel | use lua_next for iterating |
| 10:46.51 | nevcairiel | it really works the same as in Lua itself, one just has to strip away the syntax candy |
| 10:47.06 | nevcairiel | ie. pairs() is just a wrapper around next |
| 10:48.33 | relaxok | nevcairiel: so is next going to put the key or the value on the stack? looking at some examples |
| 10:49.40 | nevcairiel | lua_next pushes the key-value pair on the stack |
| 10:49.50 | relaxok | oh |
| 10:50.01 | nevcairiel | and pops the previous key |
| 10:50.38 | nevcairiel | the lua reference manual docs of lua_next seem pretty clear to me |
| 10:52.23 | Torhal | places relaxok on the stack. |
| 10:52.40 | Gnarfoz | stacks Torhal on top |
| 10:53.10 | Torhal | pushes Gnarfoz. |
| 10:53.38 | VIad | came across a twitch video of someone getting scammed while streaming - but it's silly, because he isn't really reading the trade page properly, he just assumed his items were the stuff he'd get :P so he accepts and looses all his virtual epix then rages on the stream |
| 10:54.35 | Torhal | scams VIad out of his ridiculous nick. |
| 10:54.46 | VIad | /me appreciates the scam. |
| 10:55.08 | Torhal | You are now known as TheScammed. |
| 10:55.32 | Torhal | Ok, flight taking off. Latah. |
| 10:55.36 | VIad | :D |
| 10:55.40 | VIad | enjoy the peanuts! |
| 10:56.23 | Gnarfoz | Torhal only gets catnip |
| 10:56.52 | VIad | how can you say you got scammed? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1458557805.png |
| 10:57.01 | VIad | when it says "your items" and "otherguynamehere offers" |
| 10:57.38 | VIad | then you check that you are ready, then hit accept, so two clicks to confirm and finalize, and its very obvious what the contents are :p |
| 10:58.35 | nevcairiel | so he gave him everything for one key |
| 10:58.41 | VIad | yes |
| 10:59.12 | nevcairiel | but its not even a scam, scam would involve decit, this is just dumb |
| 10:59.18 | VIad | ikr |
| 10:59.34 | VIad | all these videos are basically guy not reading the page, getting hyped, clicking accept |
| 10:59.56 | VIad | valve did remake the trading UI a while ago to make it clear, and it is imo :p |
| 11:02.12 | VIad | runescape still played, amazing |
| 11:02.22 | VIad | sadly couldn't get into that game even when it was new back in the day :p |
| 11:04.20 | VIad | guy traded some item to someone else that promised to paypal him cash, he didn't |
| 11:04.54 | VIad | apparently the item had a worth like $300 but why would you ever trust someone in such transaction that has no middle man to guarantee that both parties fulfill their end of the deal? |
| 11:08.30 | VIad | had a chuckle at the mom rage compilation one though :p |
| 11:09.10 | karl_w_w | VIad did you watch mvp vs eg |
| 11:09.32 | VIad | the shanghai or after? |
| 11:10.07 | karl_w_w | dota pit |
| 11:10.14 | VIad | I didn't see that :o |
| 11:10.18 | VIad | is it awesome? |
| 11:10.33 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 11:10.47 | VIad | looking it up |
| 11:11.15 | relaxok | damn you lua_next |
| 11:13.07 | relaxok | crashing on the second call to it |
| 11:13.20 | VIad | relaxok: are you making your own lua+c thingy? :D |
| 11:13.28 | relaxok | yeah |
| 11:13.43 | relaxok | hmm i just dumped the stack before calling next again and the first key is definitely -1 |
| 11:13.44 | VIad | like plugin support for your program? |
| 11:15.53 | relaxok | rendering wow ui stuff atm |
| 11:15.57 | VIad | aha |
| 11:16.09 | VIad | what kind of purpose does it serve? |
| 11:16.27 | relaxok | basically trying to iterate each mixin table and copy key/value where the value is a function |
| 11:16.38 | VIad | aha |
| 11:16.48 | relaxok | purpose.. amusement |
| 11:16.51 | VIad | ofc |
| 11:16.52 | VIad | :D |
| 11:17.56 | VIad | first game karl_w_w feels like the last game of a tournament :p |
| 11:18.14 | VIad | as in last round, though its the first round |
| 11:18.38 | relaxok | first mixin is NumericInputSpinnerMixin |
| 11:18.46 | relaxok | first key in the table is 'Right' |
| 11:18.49 | relaxok | huh |
| 11:19.23 | nevcairiel | keys are not ordered |
| 11:21.28 | relaxok | i just dont see anything assigning Right to anything in that mixin |
| 11:22.06 | relaxok | but, beside the point i guess |
| 11:25.13 | relaxok | brain is mushy now, will try to figure out why lua_next is crashing tomorrow |
| 11:26.17 | VIad | are you working with the lua from the game in your own lua environment outside the game? just curious how you handle undefined functions and such |
| 11:31.34 | VIad | karl_w_w: black hole literally did nothing round 2 |
| 11:36.24 | VIad | damn karl_w_w |
| 11:36.42 | VIad | why did you make me watch manslaughter? |
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| 11:39.23 | Simca_ | VIad / Mr_Rabies - re the user with a ton of rep. he has had 2 upvotes in like a week, I think it's safe to say they just gave him that rep for some reason (if praise for the website gives rep, then his profile is the reason >.>). |
| 11:43.42 | karl_w_w | savage |
| 11:43.48 | karl_w_w | brutal |
| 11:43.50 | karl_w_w | rekt |
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| 11:54.21 | VIad | Simca_: it defeats the purpose of a "top" list if you can just willy nilly give out half million rep for the sake of promoting someone :p |
| 11:54.29 | VIad | granted it doesnt really mater, at all |
| 11:54.42 | VIad | just looks weird having a half million point lead on second place that has a ton of content uploaded :p |
| 11:55.20 | VIad | ... or its a bug or something :p |
| 11:55.55 | Simca_ | yeah it is definitely weird. but the guy has very few data uploads, screenshots, and comments compared to people even far below him (pretty sure I have more Exceptional Comments than this guy). |
| 11:56.20 | VIad | the points have no basis in ach/comments/posts/screenshots/reports/votes or uploads |
| 11:56.26 | VIad | so they come from some other source not specified |
| 11:56.38 | VIad | there is no way to audit it like the other profiles :p |
| 11:57.15 | VIad | reason I noticed it is I noticed I got past the 100k mark so wanted to take a look |
| 11:58.13 | VIad | time to make 20 min workout music |
| 12:28.11 | VIad | did 5 min extra, doesnt hurt I guess :p |
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| 15:53.41 | Alram | Gnarfoz, most of the things i had a chance to try are meh tbh |
| 15:53.50 | Alram | but browse around therse probably a lot of new shit added since |
| 15:55.57 | znf | hi Alram! |
| 15:56.00 | znf | I like you more than Fisker |
| 15:56.18 | Fisker | hey znf |
| 15:56.19 | Fisker | good |
| 15:56.46 | Phixion | hey Fisker |
| 15:56.55 | Phixion | I like you more than anyone else |
| 15:57.02 | Fisker | Hey Phixion |
| 15:57.04 | Fisker | me2 |
| 15:57.07 | Phixion | good |
| 16:05.25 | Gnarfoz | Alram: ok - do you know anyone with a GearVR? |
| 16:07.54 | Alram | https://www.reddit.com/r/gearvr Gnarfoz |
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| 16:08.35 | Alram | also no |
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| 16:20.02 | Gnarfoz | ty |
| 16:20.09 | Gnarfoz | well, I'll have to see (literally) if I can even use it |
| 16:20.28 | Gnarfoz | manual says that if you have prescription glasses, you should wear contacts |
| 16:20.37 | Gnarfoz | maybe the focus adjuster thing is good enough, though |
| 16:20.53 | Gnarfoz | if I need to wear contacts just to use it, it's going to become a paperweight real quick ^^ |
| 16:29.42 | Phixion | ^ |
| 16:32.06 | Arrow|work | i tried a friends, it was very blurry |
| 16:32.29 | Arrow|work | i have very high prescription, nearsighted |
| 16:33.23 | Gnarfoz | contacts it is, I guess |
| 16:34.43 | Phixion | hates contacts |
| 16:34.46 | Phixion | they're effort |
| 16:36.37 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 16:43.09 | nevcairiel | samsung didnt build it for glasses, eh? |
| 16:43.15 | nevcairiel | guess its a too cheap toy |
| 17:08.59 | pompy | noone cares Apple... |
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| 17:55.26 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 17:55.36 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 17:55.59 | Fisker | I've run out |
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| 17:57.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Guill] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.33 | Guill | 6.2.4 coming out tomorrow! If you have an AddOn that uses Battle.net features and haven't updated it yet, you have < a day left! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742904870 |
| 17:59.41 | Cairenn | Thanks for the PSA Guill :) |
| 18:00.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> 6.2.4 goes live 22 Mar || 6.2.4 Lua API Changes blizz.ly/1QsKZlB || WoWI Beta Invites http://bit.ly/20Fh7We || 6.2.x ToC: 60200 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || This channel is logged, via purl || |
| 18:27.32 | Fisker | travels back in the past to hug Cairenn |
| 18:28.06 | Stanzilla | Guill: are the api issues from the ptr fixed in tomorrows build? |
| 18:29.28 | Stanzilla | some were just not returning anything useful |
| 18:30.30 | Stanzilla | could have been server configuration though |
| 18:37.06 | Guill | Stanzilla: I don't think I heard about that. Do you have any examples? |
| 18:37.22 | Stanzilla | MysticalOS was complaining about it earlier, need to find logs |
| 18:37.30 | nebula | i scrolled and saw https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16123728/WoW/WIP/BrokenInfo.PNG |
| 18:37.52 | Stanzilla | [19:32:59] MysticalOS: [05:15:53] Stanzilla, you tried PTR yet? the latest build of both alpha and ptr broke a ton of bnet apis. it's not even possible to get toon name off friends. it returns *,0. realm/zone return nil. heck the only thing that returns correctly is faction. lets hope it doesn't go live this way... |
| 18:37.52 | Stanzilla | [19:32:59] MysticalOS: [05:16:21] it worked in previous builds, only latest build of both ptr and alpha hosed it. |
| 18:37.54 | nebula | <Simca> yeah they are pushing 6.2.4 live on tuesday but most of the presence API stuff is extremely broken on PTR atm |
| 18:38.07 | Stanzilla | Guill: ^ |
| 18:38.55 | Guill | Stanzilla: Thanks. My guess is that it's a PTR-specific configuration issue, but I'll look into it. |
| 18:39.05 | Stanzilla | yeah figured and thank you for checking |
| 18:39.08 | Guill | nebula: Thanks for the screenshot too! |
| 18:40.01 | Guill | Hmm, seems to be working for me on PTR. I'll bounce it over to QA and see if anyone has seen anything weird. |
| 18:41.26 | Stanzilla | looked like on the screenshot for me too |
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| 18:52.36 | MysticalOS | i'll test PTR in a bit |
| 18:52.44 | MysticalOS | maybe fixed since i tested it couple days ago |
| 18:53.32 | MysticalOS | of course i have to bail a friend out who just got kicked out so maybe not soon but more like soon? |
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| 19:08.40 | Mr_Rabies | the presence stuff breaks from time to time on live too, so i figured that was probably just the server not passing on the info properly |
| 19:08.59 | Mr_Rabies | usually only during a major patch or whatnot for a day or so |
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| 19:20.34 | pompy | http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/21/11277138/doctor-who-amazon-prime-video-streaming-exclusive they worked it out! |
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| 20:06.41 | Gnamra | I've got a question about Frame:SetScript("handler", function). Code here: http://hastebin.com/qosarihufo.avrasm |
| 20:07.16 | Gnamra | When I define the onSaveClick function inside SetScript, it works, but not when I define it outside and pass it as an argument |
| 20:08.25 | Gnamra | Is there a wiki article that explains this behaviour? |
| 20:09.30 | nebula | Gnamra: simple lua problem there, onSaveClick doesn't exist when you set it |
| 20:09.40 | nebula | so you're effectively set it to nil |
| 20:11.05 | Gnamra | I tried placing it above SetScript too. But UIConfig.slider1:GetValue() doesn't work unless I define the function inside SetScript |
| 20:12.44 | nebula | is there an error? |
| 20:13.17 | Gnamra | "attempt to index global 'UIConfig' (a nil value)" |
| 20:13.19 | nebula | defining it too far up would give you the same issue with UIConfig not existing |
| 20:13.26 | Gnamra | Derp |
| 20:13.54 | Gnamra | Yeah that was the problem, thanks. |
| 20:42.12 | zenzelezz | that awkward moment when after three seconds, neither you nor the party who first said "bye" have hung up, and you both are quietly wondering whether it is appropriate for you to be the one to end the call |
| 20:42.43 | nebula | why would you not hang up after saying bye |
| 20:43.17 | zenzelezz | when the other person says bye, and I give the confirmation bye, I feel it's protocol for him to hang up |
| 20:43.40 | nebula | lol |
| 20:43.46 | nebula | that's silly |
| 20:55.02 | VIad | karl_w_w: halp http://ss.bool.no/capture_1458593702.png |
| 20:55.33 | VIad | 11 players :( |
| 21:00.42 | foxlit | Typing /pvp should move you to a PvP realm shard for the current zone. Make it happen, Semlar. |
| 21:03.57 | Phatso | realm shard? |
| 21:04.48 | foxlit | (and vice versa, giving pvp realms an escape to the normal ruleset. I wonder if it works that way, or if it remembers your home ruleset everywhere) |
| 21:06.31 | nebula | it's the ruleset of the server you're on |
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| 21:30.08 | VIad | foxlit: add /pve to do the same and we are onto something |
| 21:38.37 | nevcairiel | people that play on pvp servers on purpose deserve their suffering |
| 21:39.18 | nebula | i played on a pvp until mop, i miss it |
| 21:39.25 | nevcairiel | why |
| 21:39.32 | nevcairiel | the only pvp people do is random ganking |
| 21:40.21 | nebula | right, i miss the random pvp |
| 21:40.38 | nebula | the fights that would break out at summoning stones |
| 21:41.13 | nevcairiel | that seems just silly, being held up 10 minutes just because someone felt like killing you while you summoned your friends =p |
| 21:41.25 | bshelden | fled Maelstrom and never ever looked back. |
| 21:41.29 | bshelden | PvP servers are for griefing |
| 21:41.31 | nevcairiel | summoning stones are inherently pve areas, af terall |
| 21:41.59 | nebula | i mean, 99% of the time people would leave each other alone |
| 21:42.12 | nebula | was more group dueling because you were bored |
| 21:42.50 | bshelden | I don't recall a single time I had a spontaneous fair fight. The random ones were always ganks. I had to seek it out. Which of course I still can. |
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| 22:05.48 | Simca_ | I played on a PvP server in Vanilla, and it just ruined the experience for me to try it again |
| 22:06.24 | Simca_ | it was Vanilla and it was a PvP server, so you had (at any given time) 3-6 level 60 rogues in your zone, searching for lowbies to corpse camp |
| 22:06.56 | Simca_ | even Redridge, a traditionally heavy Alliance zone was just constant death |
| 22:07.09 | Simca_ | when I got to STV, that was just the end |
| 22:07.38 | Phatso | i tried to play Vanilla again. of all the things that are obviously shit about vanilla... its the aids UI that finally put me over. i spent 6 Hours trying to get a nice UI but seriously goddamn anyone of you ever tried this Discord Unitframes etc shit? |
| 22:07.39 | nebula | lol, i started playing in tbc but it wasn't that bad on our server, that nostalgia of pvp during sunwell dailies |
| 22:07.47 | Simca_ | I would get a little ways towards Booty Bay, get ganked, camped, log out for an hour |
| 22:08.03 | Simca_ | repeat, get ganked by a different rogue, camped, log out for an hour |
| 22:08.28 | nebula | stv was probably the worst, but there were so many people with "guardians" following them people usually didn't keep ganking for long |
| 22:08.31 | Simca_ | and it got to the point where I was spending more time logged out waiting for people to go away |
| 22:08.42 | Phatso | Simca_ especially during the time when you had to grind 2/3 levels in STV because Quests dried out |
| 22:09.08 | Simca_ | yep |
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| 22:16.13 | zenzelezz | "Kids these days... when I was young, we had to hunt down *all* the pages of The Green Hills of Stranglethorn, in a PvP enabled zone, in level 20 gear" |
| 22:16.59 | bshelden | Yeah.... I never did complete that quest. |
| 22:17.49 | Phatso | ^^ |
| 22:18.37 | bshelden | It was straight up impossible to do in any sane amount of time due to a steady stream of bored 60s. |
| 22:18.41 | Phatso | maybe one of the only Quest that i didnt even look up on wowhead how much im not wanting to invest time for t |
| 22:19.41 | zenzelezz | wowhead? In those days we Thottbot and Allakhazam :-p |
| 22:20.15 | Gnamra | Ugh thottbot |
| 22:20.29 | Phatso | Germans used Buffed |
| 22:20.35 | foxlit | cuuuuuuuuuut |
| 22:20.37 | Gnamra | That's one thing I don't miss from the old days |
| 22:21.46 | Gnamra | also the hunting down the stv pages thing, I used to buy em off the auction house. They usually weren't more than a few silver |
| 22:26.55 | foxlit | I like this game; 70% chance to succeed: fail 4 out of 6 attempts. |
| 22:27.21 | bshelden | Reminds me of Elder Scrolls (any) pickpocketing |
| 22:27.28 | bshelden | 90%. fail. fail. fail. |
| 22:27.38 | nevcairiel | you should know that 6 is not a representative sample size |
| 22:28.04 | foxlit | nevcairiel: and that's why I like this game. |
| 22:28.10 | foxlit | It drives that point home. |
| 22:28.11 | bshelden | No, but the hundreds I do to get to pickpocket 100 is. |
| 22:28.45 | bshelden | For ESO I just shrug and run like hell. I think I like it better without the ability to save scum. |
| 22:28.48 | nevcairiel | maybe the chance scales with level of your opponent, and you are just not aware of s aid fact |
| 22:29.44 | bshelden | I've suspected for some time that the reported percentage isn't accurate. |
| 22:29.54 | bshelden | That it isn't a simple d100 roll against that number |
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| 22:31.05 | foxlit | your UI design is terrible if you state an absolute success chance and then silently vary it based on anything. |
| 22:32.08 | bshelden | Agreed |
| 22:32.36 | bshelden | It really becomes visible at 30%. My observed failure rate was much higher than 2 in 3. |
| 22:33.16 | bshelden | But then, I was playing skyrim modded so hard it was almost another game. So any number of things may have had a say in that roll. |
| 22:33.30 | bshelden | ESO seems to be honest. I have plenty of good streaks as well. |
| 22:36.31 | Guill | There are definitely some games where the actual % chance is different than the displayed one (theoretically to make it feel more like people expect). I know Fire Emblem actually rolls two numbers between 1-100 and compares the average with the displayed percentage. |
| 22:37.03 | Guill | So 50% is actually 50%, but 20% is more like 10%. |
| 22:37.23 | bshelden | If it does that on both ends, it's going to make people unhappy with high end stats as well. |
| 22:37.24 | foxlit | that sounds wrong |
| 22:37.35 | foxlit | 20 should be 30ish, no? |
| 22:37.59 | Guill | I mean that if it displays "20%", there's actually around a 10% chance of it occurring. |
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| 22:38.12 | foxlit | averaging samples should skew towards the middle. |
| 22:38.28 | Guill | Right. So it's less likely that the averaged number is < 20 |
| 22:38.49 | foxlit | so a 20% failure rate would really be a 10% failure rate. |
| 22:38.56 | foxlit | (vs a 20% success rate being a 30% success rate) |
| 22:39.08 | nevcairiel | but its a 20% success rate, which in turn is then actually a 10% success rate |
| 22:39.21 | nevcairiel | success and failure are just labels anyway |
| 22:39.58 | Guill | http://i.imgur.com/nQKlAfB.png |
| 22:40.54 | bshelden | hmm, I would have expected that to be more dramatic. (adds another data point to "Humans suck at probability") |
| 22:41.10 | nevcairiel | is only daramatic at the extremes |
| 22:41.15 | nevcairiel | where the difference is quite big |
| 22:41.21 | nevcairiel | ie 10 and 90 |
| 22:41.30 | bshelden | Even then, it's only 10% or so. |
| 22:41.41 | foxlit | yeah. I'm thinking of it as P(X >= k), and that real line is showing P(X <= k) |
| 22:41.45 | bshelden | It makes sense looking at it. I just imagined it worse. |
| 22:42.26 | Guill | In absolute values. But if something says it has a 10% chance, it's actually only going to happen something like 1/5th as much as it should. That's pretty dramatic |
| 22:42.29 | nevcairiel | not sure how thats closer to what humans expect, however |
| 22:42.37 | nevcairiel | 20% tells people 2 out of 10, doesn it |
| 22:43.13 | nevcairiel | or is that more like "anything below 50% is what humans expect to fail" and vice versa |
| 22:44.26 | bshelden | Ahh yes, it is that bad up at the 10/90 point. Ok, that fits closer to what I imagined. |
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| 23:11.46 | emihir0_ | hi guys, i have made a simple addon that when a player logs out, it stores his gold into saved variable, however, this only works on /reload and not logout, when he actually logs out (instead of just reload), it stores 0 instead of the actual money value |
| 23:12.16 | emihir0_ | i use f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOGOUT") event and GetMoney() |
| 23:13.17 | emihir0_ | is there any known issue/workaround for this? |
| 23:18.09 | foxlit | you mean like GetMoneyReallyEvenIfLoggingOut()? |
| 23:21.04 | emihir0_ | I'm not sure whether I'm being trolled or not, but I assume I'm... well played, spent 2 mins trying to find the api for that function... >.> |
| 23:22.13 | nebula | can try saving it earlier, like at PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 23:22.28 | emihir0_ | i'm confused as to why doesn't /reload and /logout trigger the same event procedure though |
| 23:22.53 | foxlit | logout wipes some client-side information. It's always a fun thing to debug when that happens, since you typically /reload, and everything works fine. |
| 23:23.12 | foxlit | probably because the client hates each and every one of you, personally. |
| 23:23.17 | emihir0_ | >.> |
| 23:23.36 | nebula | would be nice if reload was actually like logging out/in |
| 23:23.47 | foxlit | it would indeed. |
| 23:24.25 | emihir0_ | so using PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD instead of PLAYER_LOGOUT should solve it i guess, yeah, in the end it's not like this is gonna slow down the game, it's writing just 1 value down |
| 23:25.37 | foxlit | emihir0_: it was more of a rhetorical question than intentional misdirection; you summarized the entire problem rather nicely, so I was just wondering what stopped you from going for the obvious solution. |
| 23:26.17 | emihir0_ | obvious solution to you is not so obvious to me :P |
| 23:26.35 | foxlit | If you can't store the value at log out, store it before then. |
| 23:27.17 | emihir0_ | hmm even if I use PLAYER_LEAVE_WORLD i can't seem to be able to store it, again works on /reload but not on /logout |
| 23:28.54 | foxlit | can you think of any other events that might work? |
| 23:29.47 | foxlit | (don't focus so much on the actual log out sequence -- when would be a reasonable time to update the stored amount of gold the player has?) |
| 23:30.05 | nebula | every frame in an OnUpdate |
| 23:30.18 | emihir0_ | that seems so... inefficient Q_Q |
| 23:30.22 | nebula | :p |
| 23:30.28 | foxlit | what would be more efficient than that? :P |
| 23:30.54 | emihir0_ | surely running a piece of code once during the whole session is more efficient than running it every frame |
| 23:31.49 | Primer | It is, now stop calling me Shirley |
| 23:32.11 | foxlit | (fwiw, it'd be amusing if the final round of OnUpdate handlers fired after PLAYER_LOGOUT, but they probably don't) |
| 23:32.26 | emihir0_ | I don't know why I focus on efficiency sometimes when it's not an intensive task... I know our machines can handle it, just feels like a waste of resources nevertheless >.> |
| 23:33.02 | Primer | I feel the same way |
| 23:34.00 | foxlit | Okay, no using OnUpdate. |
| 23:34.05 | emihir0_ | OnUpdate works |
| 23:34.05 | foxlit | you also can't do anything on logout. |
| 23:34.32 | emihir0_ | well PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD is before PLAYER_LOGOUT and so if that doesn't work, player_logout is out too |
| 23:34.35 | Guill | emihir0_: Did you actually try using "PLAYER_LEAVE_WORLD"? I think you might be looking for "PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD" |
| 23:35.26 | emihir0_ | i can re-try to see if i mistyped it to PLAYER_LEAVE_WORLD, but I don't think i did |
| 23:35.48 | Guill | emihir0_: I only ask because you typed it as PLAYER_LEAVE_WORLD in IRC. And I'm pretty sure you should be able to get money at PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD. |
| 23:36.24 | emihir0_ | yeah, Ive made a typo in IRC, I've tped it correctly in .lua... re-tried now and it saves 0 |
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| 23:36.48 | emihir0_ | so I guess I'll stick with OnUpdate... :/ |
| 23:36.51 | foxlit | no. |
| 23:36.55 | nebula | that was a joke >.> |
| 23:37.00 | foxlit | no OnUpdate, bad emihir0_. |
| 23:38.00 | foxlit | Let me recap: you're trying to store the amount of gold the player has. You can't do anything on log out, which would've been ideal. You could use OnUpdate, but that is ridiculous, since the player's gold does not change every frame. |
| 23:38.10 | foxlit | If only there was some event that you could use... |
| 23:38.22 | nebula | foxlit was trying to coach you into thinking about when you should update it (after if changes, mayhaps) |
| 23:38.27 | foxlit | ... say, one that fired when the player's gold amount changed? |
| 23:38.42 | emihir0_ | PLAYER_MONEY... |
| 23:38.45 | emihir0_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.13 | emihir0_ | although I guess I need to store the initial amount upon login, as I guess if player just logged in and logged out without trading/buying/vendoring etc, it would store 0 |
| 23:41.01 | foxlit | it may or may not fire during the log in sequence as well. |
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| 23:43.33 | emihir0_ | it does seem to fire during either the login, or the logout sequence, but when I've inserted a print statement, I haven't seen anything being written in my console, so I suppose it's during the logout... which is ideal |
| 23:44.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.03 | Semlar | bumps neffi |
| 23:52.50 | Neffi | bomps Semlar |
| 23:53.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.30 | foxlit | so the new ipad limits connection speed to usb2 :/ |
| 23:59.52 | foxlit | which just seems randomly bad, since the giant one supports usb3. |
| 23:59.58 | Neffi | Semlar: I didn't know that, but I guess that wouldn't be the funniest answer |
