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| 00:22.25 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster`: thanks! |
| 00:23.49 | Arrowmaster` | now when the hell will it run on wine |
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| 12:29.38 | karl_w_w | https://imgur.com/DsPmI9V |
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| 14:02.12 | VIad | any javascript wizards? :( |
| 14:02.52 | VIad | trying to work out if it's possible to change the scope of a function. like, if I do function(){alert(swag);} I'd like it to lookup my own object for swag, not error that swag isn't defined in the global scope |
| 14:04.15 | VIad | basically like how lua can do setenv |
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| 15:15.44 | VIad | I just cant... http://www.quantummansite.com/ |
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| 17:20.18 | Semlar | you can either make your variable global or put it in a global array |
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| 18:08.28 | VIad | Semlar: thing is I am trying the vbs javascript out, and you can make IE window and get its window object, like regular javascript, but the function runs in the context of the vbs global scope, and I wanted to make it specifically run so that it looked up variables in window |
| 18:09.11 | Semlar | window.variable? |
| 18:10.22 | Semlar | all global variables are properties of window |
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| 19:09.10 | zenzelezz | I get the feeling that they intended the end of season 11 of Grey's Anatomy to be something special. Unfortunately it seems to just be an especially boring last five or six episodes |
| 19:24.51 | Kemayo | So, that question Vlad asked... boils down to really understanding "this". |
| 19:25.05 | Kemayo | As so much of JavaScript does. |
| 19:25.28 | Kemayo | Basically... do function(){alert(this.swag);} |
| 19:26.10 | Kemayo | Since "this" is always the owner of the function, if you just call f(), the owner will be window, and so window.swag will be used. |
| 19:26.37 | Kemayo | But if you do f.apply({swag:'bananas'}), this will be the object you passed in there. |
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| 19:47.08 | Semlar | yeah if he's talking about an object, i don't know what he's doing with vbs |
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| 21:15.55 | VIad | Kemayo: nope |
| 21:16.13 | VIad | there is a difference when you do "swag" and "this.swag" |
| 21:16.55 | VIad | I was trying to figure out a way I could make a function run in the scope of a specific object as its global, so that simply "swag" would make it lookup "this.swag" but I could drop "this". otherwise I'd have to prefix everything with this, and thats the alternative solution :p |
| 21:17.24 | VIad | Semlar: its vbs only you also got jscript for it so you can make a .js file and run it with cscript and it will also work, just js syntax |
| 21:17.27 | VIad | was mainly playing around with it |
| 21:19.03 | VIad | also this isnt javascript in browser, so the global "window" isnt the global scope, thats why I was thinking if I could make it that - because you can create a IE browser object, and I was trying to make an environment where I could inject standard js files you'd find in browsers, only I'd inject it from the jscript side |
| 21:23.09 | zenzelezz | I hate when companies post job ads through agencies. Not so much the agency itself, just how you have all these "Our client is a [leading/forward thinking/...]" |
| 21:23.11 | zenzelezz | give me the damn name |
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| 21:57.25 | Semlar | VIad: just so you know jscript is not javascript |
| 21:57.51 | VIad | it's javascript syntax, just that the global object is based on vbs :p |
| 21:57.58 | VIad | like you have other kind of globals |
| 21:58.16 | VIad | just like how nodejs is also javascript, again you have other globals available to you |
| 22:22.34 | Simca | lol, looks like there was a text pass this patch |
| 22:22.47 | Simca | walls and walls of changes like [del]You become encased[/del] [ins]Encases you[/ins] in a block of ice |
| 22:23.14 | Phatso | what do you mean with textpass ? |
| 22:23.58 | Simca | they went and agreed on a grammar structure for tooltip text |
| 22:24.02 | Simca | and applied it to everything |
| 22:24.12 | Simca | spells only reference 'you' instead of 'the caster' |
| 22:24.19 | Simca | basically every spell description starts with a verb now |
| 22:24.29 | Simca | instead of an article or noun |
| 22:24.38 | Gnarfoz | only took 13 years |
| 22:24.49 | Phatso | what good is that... except if they automated it |
| 22:25.08 | Simca | well, it looks nice, for one. consistency is good. |
| 22:25.16 | Simca | and if they adhere to it going forward, it is useful |
| 22:25.31 | Gnarfoz | less "does this really do what I think it does?" |
| 22:30.40 | foxlit | Looking at someone else's abilities is now more awkward. |
| 22:32.12 | nevcairiel | but looking at your own is better, which should be the focus anyway |
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| 22:51.48 | Simca | yeah it really seems like that was the goal |
| 22:52.05 | Simca | every instance of 'the Death Knight' is now 'you' as well, same with the other classes |
| 22:52.18 | nevcairiel | reads kinda stupid if you look at your own spells |
| 22:52.20 | nevcairiel | the before that is |
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| 23:23.44 | znf | I was thinking. |
| 23:23.54 | znf | email has been in use since forever now |
| 23:24.03 | znf | stand-alone clients |
| 23:24.11 | znf | anti-spam solutions have been out there for ages |
| 23:24.34 | znf | yet, there doesn't seem to be a way for a stand-alone client, in 2016, to tell a server "please stop considering this email as spam" |
| 23:25.21 | znf | (a standard way I mean) |
| 23:26.57 | Simca | good anti-spam solutions are almost all proprietary because there is a ton of money involved |
| 23:28.48 | znf | but why hasn't anyone come up with a RFC for a client-to-server action? |
| 23:29.33 | znf | I just find it strange |
| 23:32.36 | znf | google should have pioneered that! |
| 23:34.50 | znf | I mean, if you use a stand-alone client for google apps or gmail, there's no way for you to unmark a message as spam, you'll have to log on the webui |
| 23:35.03 | bshelden | Which they want |
| 23:35.37 | znf | well, what about the 50eur/year/user businesses? |
| 23:36.05 | znf | we're a google apps reseller and there's plenty of customers who use 3rd party clients |
| 23:36.11 | znf | actually, I think most of them do |
| 23:37.07 | bshelden | Users on their web UI are more valuable to them than those using external clients. Now, users using external clients are more valuable than non-users, certainly. Still, things like "unmark as spam" are just minor sharp edges, not real problems that cost them significant customers. |
| 23:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use a beysian filter plugin for thunderbird back in the day, it was insanely accurate at filtering spam |
| 23:40.37 | Mr_Rabies | i just turned the spam filter off on my mail server and let the client handle it |
| 23:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | after a year or so of learning what is and isn't spam |
| 23:43.02 | znf | I'm talking more for the perspective of a server-admin |
| 23:43.13 | znf | I don't want to deal with users |
| 23:43.41 | znf | I mean, most sysadmins don't want to deal with users |
| 23:44.22 | znf | how is it possible that nobody came up with this, in this case? :P |
| 23:45.02 | bshelden | apathy |
| 23:45.38 | znf | now, I need to set up a small email server for a client, and I'm not sure what to chose |
| 23:45.43 | znf | mail-in-a-box or modoboa |
| 23:45.51 | Gnarfoz | znf: move the email from spam to inbox, should do that (via imap) |
| 23:46.04 | znf | Gnarfoz, in gmail you mean? |
| 23:46.14 | Gnarfoz | yes, I just did that and it works just fine |
| 23:46.20 | znf | didn't know that |
| 23:46.26 | Gnarfoz | (just like deleting from inbox archives it) |
| 23:46.45 | znf | but, still, what to do with postfix/dovecot/amavis/spamassasin? :P |
| 23:47.07 | Gnarfoz | no idea, I doubt they have a concept of "this is spam" |
| 23:47.14 | Gnarfoz | they do their stuff once and forget forever |
| 23:48.21 | Gnarfoz | which is why I only use greylisting, it's so effective, the remaining spam is easy to deal with by hand |
| 23:48.33 | znf | I think SpamAssasin has some sort of autolearning |
| 23:48.36 | Gnarfoz | (kind of makes you wonder when spammers will realize and change their was) |
| 23:48.42 | znf | I find greylisting annoying as hell |
| 23:48.43 | Gnarfoz | *ways |
| 23:48.59 | znf | when waiting for a confirmation email from a website, dear god.. |
| 23:50.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that happens all day every day ^^ (also easy enough to work around with whitelisting) |
| 23:50.53 | Gnarfoz | register with address A that contains some part you whitelist on, receive email instantly, start using site, change email address |
| 23:51.00 | Gnarfoz | can't get something for nothing |
| 23:52.00 | Gnarfoz | now I just wonder what kind of package DHL is telling me is arriving tomorrow |
| 23:52.06 | Gnarfoz | I'm not aware of ordering anything :D |
| 23:52.20 | znf | uh, that remindsme |
| 23:52.50 | znf | yeah, ofc, package is in .ro since monday |
| 23:52.53 | znf | hasn't moved from bucharest |