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| 00:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | argh i hate that you can't queue up for timewalking and heroic dungeons at the same time |
| 00:35.25 | Mr_Rabies | i miss MoP's "do a scenario while waiting on the queue" system :< |
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| 02:23.15 | Semlar | queues up for neffi and torhal at the same time |
| 02:30.17 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 02:30.19 | Neffi | I slep |
| 02:30.23 | Neffi | is work |
| 02:30.26 | Semlar | o ok |
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| 05:23.49 | ilar | random thought: blizz should implement a system where if your ilvl is higher than the raid's average you get a weighted chance for getting a useful drop |
| 05:24.35 | ilar | that way there's no '6 billion ilvl required, fast run,' with the goal of even wanting to carry noobs through things because you have a +5% chance of getting a piece of gear or something |
| 05:44.58 | mckenziemc1 | hugs Cairenn and changes his nick |
| 05:45.10 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 05:45.32 | mckenziemc | how'd you find me :( |
| 05:51.58 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt that'd kill it, ilar |
| 05:52.15 | Mr_Rabies | people just don't have time to carry random folks |
| 05:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | or there would be weird gaming like |
| 05:53.05 | Mr_Rabies | "need ilvl 600 or lower to drag down avg" while everyone else is 700+ |
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| 06:29.17 | Fisker | hugs every Cairenn |
| 06:29.23 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:32.25 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRoRKmELj-c |
| 06:32.31 | karl_w_w | that is awesome |
| 06:35.50 | Mr_Rabies | lmao |
| 07:11.05 | FireSiku | wait, this isnt real? |
| 07:15.45 | Torhal | We don't roll like that, though, Semlar. |
| 07:37.58 | pompy | http://www.twitch.tv/bennyfits |
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| 09:22.02 | VIad | /me checks for beta invite. Nothing yet. Goes back to lurking. |
| 09:22.22 | VIad | /me Vlad checks for beta invite. Nothing yet. Goes back to lurking.* |
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| 09:22.50 | mitch0 | fail |
| 09:30.22 | nevcairiel | VIad: you do know that the second syntax is actually wrong, right :p on top of your client sucking of course |
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| 09:37.20 | Torhal | VIad: Are you typing "/me whatever" or are you typing "/say /me whatever"? |
| 09:38.06 | VIad | I don't want to ruin the thing we have going on here |
| 09:38.34 | Torhal | You mean the fact that your nick and usage of /me is cause for a lynching? |
| 09:38.40 | VIad | :D |
| 09:39.00 | VIad | I type my name after /me then I blame my client |
| 09:39.21 | VIad | and the L is there like when you have something in your eye and its really annoying |
| 09:39.44 | Torhal | No, we're SEEING /me |
| 09:40.00 | Torhal | So either you're doing something completely fucked up or your client needs taken out back and shot. |
| 09:40.10 | VIad | oh show me in a picture :o |
| 09:40.16 | VIad | /me asks Torhal to screenshot this. |
| 09:40.31 | Torhal | VIad: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ms1yjhi7pqi0uol/Screenshot%202016-03-01%2003.40.21.png?dl=0 |
| 09:40.55 | VIad | that's hilarrious |
| 09:41.06 | Torhal | Makes you look like a goof. |
| 09:41.07 | VIad | hilarious* |
| 09:41.15 | VIad | test |
| 09:41.24 | VIad | thats actually a pidgin thing then :p |
| 09:42.47 | Torhal | Well, Cairenn uses Pidgin and emotes just fine. |
| 09:42.50 | VIad | found a mail from 2009 regarding this |
| 09:42.57 | VIad | that's weird |
| 09:43.07 | mitch0 | update more often... |
| 09:43.08 | Cairenn | has zero problems with it |
| 09:44.16 | Cairenn | you just type "/me whatever you want" |
| 09:44.21 | VIad | I do that |
| 09:44.31 | VIad | but its broadcast as "/me" instead of the emote |
| 09:44.36 | VIad | but it shows properly on my end :p |
| 09:44.43 | VIad | /me example. |
| 09:44.49 | Cairenn | That one is fine |
| 09:44.57 | VIad | thats just pidgin masking it probably |
| 09:45.09 | Torhal | Cairenn: What one is fine? |
| 09:45.16 | VIad | the example |
| 09:45.18 | Cairenn | The /vlad example |
| 09:45.38 | Cairenn | Its like these two: the first one was fine, the second not: |
| 09:45.39 | Cairenn | (4:22:14 AM) ***VIad checks for beta invite. Nothing yet. Goes back to lurking. |
| 09:45.40 | Cairenn | (4:22:35 AM) ***VIad Vlad checks for beta invite. Nothing yet. Goes back to lurking.* |
| 09:45.44 | Torhal | https://www.dropbox.com/s/1e5aded80jxonry/Screenshot%202016-03-01%2003.45.26.png?dl=0 <-- Cairenn |
| 09:46.04 | Torhal | Your emotes look fine, VIad's do not. |
| 09:46.08 | Cairenn | weird |
| 09:46.21 | VIad | using 2.10.11 |
| 09:46.29 | mitch0 | Cairenn: they look fine on your end? weird... |
| 09:46.30 | VIad | but might be one of the IRC plugins that supposedly improve things |
| 09:46.57 | Cairenn | I'm on 2.10.12, just updated the other day |
| 09:47.05 | VIad | lets try that first |
| 09:47.16 | Cairenn | but I've been able to properly emote since day 1 |
| 09:47.26 | Cairenn | however many years ago that was |
| 09:47.26 | mitch0 | or so you think |
| 09:47.32 | Torhal | lol |
| 09:47.54 | Torhal | In eight years, I've not seen her send /me to the channel. |
| 09:48.28 | VIad | don't think Cairenn has any emotions |
| 09:48.35 | Torhal | Wow. |
| 09:48.43 | Cairenn | cries |
| 09:48.51 | VIad | /me hugs Cairenn. |
| 09:48.55 | Cairenn | no |
| 09:48.58 | mitch0 | hah, he failed again |
| 09:49.04 | Torhal | Yep. Still sending /me |
| 09:49.13 | Cairenn | looks fine to me, again |
| 09:49.18 | mitch0 | /me laughs at VIad |
| 09:49.26 | Cairenn | very very weird |
| 09:49.30 | Torhal | https://www.dropbox.com/s/o52dasn4r8a87un/Screenshot%202016-03-01%2003.49.23.png?dl=0 |
| 09:49.42 | Torhal | ~fiskerslap mitch0 |
| 09:49.42 | purl | ACTION slaps mitch0 around a bit with Fisker. |
| 09:52.39 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@cm-84.213.146.58.getinternet.no) |
| 09:53.07 | VIad | /me hugs Cairenn. |
| 09:53.28 | Cairenn | still no, not hugging you, you said I have no emotions :( |
| 09:53.46 | VIad | but thats just a physical hug |
| 09:54.25 | VIad | you can hug emotionless, its just creepy when you know someone hugs you without feelings involved. |
| 09:54.47 | Mr_Rabies | like a big ol' chimpanzee hug |
| 09:54.48 | Cairenn | Yes, but I don't hug people I don't like |
| 09:55.06 | VIad | explains why I didnt get in the beta, like Semlar |
| 09:55.32 | Torhal | No, that just means Blizzard doesn't like you. |
| 09:55.42 | VIad | or Cairenn doesn't like me |
| 09:56.02 | VIad | but seriously I dont know if updating and disabling two of the irc plugins did anything :p |
| 09:56.04 | VIad | /me tests. |
| 09:56.49 | Cairenn | obviously I can't tell you, since some of them have been appearing correctly to me but not others |
| 09:56.59 | Cairenn | s/not others/not to others/ |
| 09:57.06 | VIad | to me, all that matters is what you think, Cairenn |
| 09:57.08 | Torhal | No, VIad. |
| 09:57.13 | Torhal | You're sending /me still |
| 09:57.17 | VIad | great |
| 09:57.22 | Cairenn | that is so odd |
| 09:58.42 | VIad | it is |
| 09:58.49 | VIad | trying to disable more plugins |
| 10:00.15 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@cm-84.213.146.58.getinternet.no) |
| 10:00.26 | VIad | let's pray to jesus |
| 10:00.28 | VIad | /me tests, again. |
| 10:00.33 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 10:01.00 | VIad | have I ever emoted properly for the last years? :p just wondering |
| 10:01.18 | Torhal | I only started noticing a month or two ago. |
| 10:01.24 | Torhal | It's rather jarring. |
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| 10:01.27 | Cairenn | What OS are you on? |
| 10:01.30 | VIad | windows |
| 10:01.40 | VIad | 2000 |
| 10:01.41 | Cairenn | That's -very- weird then |
| 10:01.43 | VIad | 10* |
| 10:02.09 | VIad | what plugins do you use, Cairenn? |
| 10:02.22 | Cairenn | I was just looking at that |
| 10:15.25 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@cm-84.213.146.58.getinternet.no) |
| 10:16.01 | VIad | sadly I dont got time to play around atm, but I can after work download fresh pidgin and run it in a sandbox and see how it behaves on my systewm |
| 10:16.52 | VIad | /me pokes Torhal. |
| 10:17.08 | VIad | ~eyepoke Torhal |
| 10:17.21 | Torhal | kicks VIad so hard his IRC client dies. |
| 10:18.09 | VIad | does my pidgin disconnect properly or do I timeout? :p |
| 10:18.24 | Torhal | No idea. I have joins and parts turned off. |
| 10:18.27 | Cairenn | You appear to log out properly |
| 10:18.43 | Cairenn | (5:07:22 AM) VIad left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). |
| 10:18.45 | VIad | appear. I still got a connection timeout when I tried to connect back for the 5th time |
| 10:18.54 | VIad | the ddos protection is too sensitive |
| 10:24.00 | VIad | quickie, what kind of benefits does sasl provide? |
| 10:24.58 | VIad | freenode articles send me to their frontpage so couldn't open their specific documentation on it |
| 10:25.23 | nevcairiel | earlier and more secure login |
| 10:26.01 | nevcairiel | ie. it ensures you get logged in before actually connecting to the network |
| 10:26.13 | VIad | it is same as the nickserv ident info? |
| 10:27.24 | nevcairiel | same account info yes |
| 10:27.39 | VIad | going to try it now |
| 10:38.59 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 10:39.18 | Fisker | <3 |
| 10:47.56 | foxlit | Fisker: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Gimme+a+big+hug!%22 |
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| 10:52.10 | VIad | ddos protection, had to wait like half hour :d |
| 10:58.15 | karl_w_w | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-01/weddings-legalised-for-church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monster/7208662 |
| 10:58.20 | karl_w_w | ministeroni, I like it |
| 11:17.58 | Fisker | mom's spaghetti |
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| 11:42.25 | VIad | mom's spaghetti is a nice rap song |
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| 12:00.33 | blizzard | :o |
| 12:00.44 | blizzard | weird that this is available |
| 12:05.01 | VIad | far cry primal comes out today, I guess I got something to do. my problem is I love the far cry roaming so for me it looks perfect, well see once I play it ofc :p |
| 12:07.45 | VIad | played some marvel heroes, got to like 48 in the weekend. was tripple xp bonus as well. there is a lot of focus on buying stuff with money so unsure how it will do on the long run once the charm wears off :p |
| 12:09.48 | Gnarfoz | *triple |
| 12:10.07 | VIad | trippple |
| 12:10.11 | VIad | you are right |
| 12:11.14 | Gnarfoz | that's my fetish |
| 12:12.32 | VIad | it's a good fetish |
| 12:13.17 | VIad | got in the beta yet, Gnarfoz? |
| 12:13.32 | Gnarfoz | which one? |
| 12:13.34 | Gnarfoz | fetish beta? |
| 12:14.09 | VIad | legion fetish beta |
| 12:16.25 | Gnarfoz | sure, since December or so |
| 12:17.10 | VIad | coded any sweet addons? |
| 12:17.29 | nevcairiel | addons are disabled in the beta silly VIad |
| 12:17.52 | VIad | how silly of me lennyface |
| 12:17.57 | VIad | nooo my lennyface |
| 12:18.13 | VIad | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 12:18.15 | VIad | phew |
| 12:18.22 | VIad | JIT |
| 12:18.58 | nevcairiel | point being, you can work on legion addons the same way people in the beta can, just doing it and hoping it workls once its unlocked =p |
| 12:19.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm still waiting to have that one awesome addon idea I can "cash in" on |
| 12:19.35 | VIad | ofc but its extra fun to actually do it on the beta - nameplate stuff |
| 12:19.46 | Gnarfoz | (preferably one that is within my limited ability to create :D) |
| 12:20.13 | VIad | make a plugin for pidgin that allows you to join several channels then merging them in one window for the user |
| 12:20.21 | VIad | so you can write to all the channels at once! |
| 12:20.27 | VIad | $$$ |
| 12:20.42 | Gnarfoz | that sounds spammy |
| 12:20.45 | Gnarfoz | and non-wow |
| 12:21.22 | VIad | and stupid :d |
| 12:21.44 | VIad | why is # allowed in the channel name on irc? |
| 12:21.54 | VIad | like #sharepoint then you have someone that made ##sharepoint |
| 12:21.58 | VIad | looks silly |
| 12:22.19 | Gnarfoz | that has a special intent on freenode, though |
| 12:22.34 | VIad | what about those ########swagpromo channels? |
| 12:22.42 | Gnarfoz | those probably don't. |
| 12:22.43 | VIad | does more # mean its supercool? |
| 12:23.02 | VIad | VIP only access buy now freenode.cn/buy |
| 12:23.30 | VIad | I dont see a reason to have more than one # to indicate channel |
| 12:23.58 | nevcairiel | freenode uses ## to indicate "inofficial" channel, ie. ##windows is not microsofts official windows channel =p |
| 12:24.28 | VIad | aha |
| 12:24.43 | VIad | looked up sharepoint to see the userbase |
| 12:24.51 | VIad | #sharepoint had 4 users ##sharepoint had 14 :p |
| 12:25.12 | VIad | unsure why not have one channel when you are <20 users in total |
| 12:26.35 | VIad | #linux had a lot of users >1000 |
| 12:29.04 | VIad | sitting on the office network. looked at some site about IRC. google ad "looking for singles over 60?" |
| 12:30.20 | VIad | yes google exactly what I came here for when searching for freenode ssl certificate information |
| 12:30.48 | Simca | we talked about this a while ago, it's actually in freenode's latest blog that they mention it |
| 12:30.57 | Simca | #channels are for projects. |
| 12:31.02 | Simca | ##channels are for general topics |
| 12:31.34 | nevcairiel | also inofficial channels about projects |
| 12:33.16 | VIad | so ##wowuidev is for amarande? |
| 12:35.53 | Torhal | Simca: That's actually been policy for years. |
| 12:37.21 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 12:37.31 | Mr_Rabies | wonder how viable it'd be to add lfr support to http://mods.curse.com/addons/wow/lfg-call-arms-broker |
| 12:38.47 | VIad | different api but the structure is the same I guess |
| 12:39.35 | Mr_Rabies | there are a couple addons that track it for lfr but all of them kinda sucks right now :< |
| 12:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | er, kinda suck |
| 12:40.14 | VIad | I can make one for legion! |
| 12:41.37 | VIad | tricky part about the CTA is sometimes it pops up as there is one but suddenly there isn't |
| 12:42.06 | VIad | personally I "solved" it by waiting like 10 seconds to make sure it exists before announcing, but sometimes it actually lasts 11 seconds and you get notified just as it disappears |
| 12:42.30 | VIad | imo if cta wishes to popup the server should at least, when decided to show it, keep it active for a minute before disappearing :p |
| 12:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it should be up for at least 60 seconds once the requirements are met |
| 12:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | instead of it basically server side flipping off and on constantly |
| 12:43.48 | VIad | sometimes it toggles too often on/off |
| 12:43.59 | VIad | I've even queued with it on then found out I dont get the reward after all |
| 12:44.03 | VIad | because it turned off JIT |
| 12:44.17 | Mr_Rabies | once the requirements are met, that switch should stay flipped for 60 seconds, and then every 60 seconds it checks again |
| 12:44.18 | nevcairiel | i'm somewhat disappointed that CTA favors signing up solo, what if there is a tank CTA up and I want to queue with my DPS friend, either I drop him and he is screwed, or I miss out on the reward |
| 12:44.27 | VIad | I agree |
| 12:44.31 | VIad | I always tank so that is standard for me |
| 12:44.35 | VIad | "sorry I am going solo for the bag" |
| 12:44.53 | Mr_Rabies | well, the whole goal is to lower the queue, but yeah, it's a bit sad at the same time because the bag is so nice |
| 12:45.00 | VIad | its 500g |
| 12:45.05 | VIad | 5 min run |
| 12:45.13 | nevcairiel | same thing with timewalker, the 50 timewarker point thing is quite a boost in reward when you try to collect the mount or such |
| 12:45.26 | VIad | should be a friend exception |
| 12:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | for LFR, yeah |
| 12:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say up to 5 people should be able to queue and anyone with the right requirements for the satchel should be able to take it |
| 12:45.57 | VIad | if you arent a full party and queue the CTA bonuses should still be there imo |
| 12:46.09 | VIad | the issue is though |
| 12:46.18 | VIad | there is a public demand for tanks |
| 12:46.22 | VIad | but all tanks queue with their friends :p |
| 12:46.27 | VIad | so the CTA never disappears |
| 12:46.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh it does when i'm online lol |
| 12:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | i see that well |
| 12:46.52 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 12:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, not for lfr, yet |
| 12:47.06 | Mr_Rabies | because i don't track it |
| 12:47.09 | VIad | maybe legion changes stuff |
| 12:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | also i don't really know the fights much as a tank |
| 12:47.16 | VIad | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 12:47.28 | nevcairiel | they once talked about allowing another dps slot in dungeons |
| 12:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | but it would be an interesting way to learn them |
| 12:47.32 | nevcairiel | wonder what happened to that idea |
| 12:47.35 | VIad | ohh |
| 12:47.39 | VIad | scalable dungeons! |
| 12:47.40 | VIad | gief |
| 12:47.48 | VIad | "oh sorry we are just full" is lame if its a irl friend |
| 12:47.53 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i'd rather have seen scenarios expanded more |
| 12:48.00 | VIad | scnearios dedded |
| 12:48.07 | nevcairiel | well just for one more, any further would just make it ridicolous |
| 12:48.30 | *** part/#wowuidev foxlit (~Fox@r.42d6.com) |
| 12:48.46 | VIad | cta idea |
| 12:48.50 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~Fox@r.42d6.com) |
| 12:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | also doing timewalking dungeons and getting paired up with people from non-english realms is the nightmare i dealt with today, some language filtering would be nice :( |
| 12:49.00 | VIad | if you overgear the content but queue tank/healer you get cta bonus for boosting others |
| 12:49.09 | nevcairiel | move to germany, we have our own language region and dont get anyone else =p |
| 12:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | coughuntiltheyaddarabiccoughwhatwhosaidanythingwhat |
| 12:49.44 | VIad | dachshund |
| 12:50.44 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta get that cough looked at |
| 12:50.47 | VIad | I kind of like the new CM idea for legion |
| 12:51.00 | VIad | but I fear one thing though, that some classes might be favored to others based on synergy. |
| 12:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | anyway, not being able to tell folks how not to die in timewalking is pretty sad :( |
| 12:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | what're they changing? and that's already the case |
| 12:51.25 | VIad | when people push for the hardest levels known you'd have to consider all the small details like synergies, like ranged>melee andsuch |
| 12:51.35 | VIad | CM is like diablo greater rifts |
| 12:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | there are plenty of specs that just aren't taken to CMs |
| 12:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what greater rifts are :( |
| 12:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | my highest level d3 char is like 55 |
| 12:51.59 | VIad | right now yes because content is fixed at one difficulty |
| 12:52.16 | VIad | look up legion CM |
| 12:52.20 | VIad | too much info for me to write it here |
| 12:52.38 | VIad | in short: scaling dungeons and random affixed to mobs to make them harder by randomizing buffs/debuffs |
| 12:52.42 | nevcairiel | in legion CMs get a "level", level 1 starts somewhere shortly above heroic dungeons, and then scales up with every level increasing difficulty |
| 12:52.57 | VIad | in a group, what decides what level you do? |
| 12:52.59 | nevcairiel | and increasing reward |
| 12:52.59 | VIad | like a menu? |
| 12:53.08 | nevcairiel | the stone you use to open it |
| 12:53.17 | VIad | and stones upgrade each time you finish the level |
| 12:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's a lot better |
| 12:53.25 | VIad | so if Bob is level 100 |
| 12:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | i hate how they are now |
| 12:53.30 | VIad | and Rob joins with level 1 |
| 12:53.41 | nevcairiel | the absolute time focus is silly |
| 12:53.42 | VIad | Bob opens a level 100 that you finish, does Robs stone upgrade to 101 (the next tier) |
| 12:53.45 | nevcairiel | and so binary |
| 12:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | i did like 3-4 in MoP and it made me mad |
| 12:54.03 | Mr_Rabies | feral plays really poorly when scaled down |
| 12:54.12 | VIad | its less diverse in wod than mop I hear |
| 12:54.15 | VIad | I didnt do them in mop |
| 12:54.22 | Mr_Rabies | i still can't do gold proving grounds on my feral |
| 12:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've played the damned spec since 2004 |
| 12:54.34 | VIad | I dont think you should disclose that information |
| 12:54.37 | nevcairiel | the new CMs still have a time limit, but its around the silver time, so not very hard to beat |
| 12:54.50 | Mr_Rabies | i just basically don't have energy for one of the waves |
| 12:55.00 | Mr_Rabies | and everything basically dies at almost full hp |
| 12:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | feral scaling is pretty jacked in general |
| 12:55.26 | Mr_Rabies | it always has been |
| 12:55.48 | Mr_Rabies | we scale super well, up and down scaling hits us way harder than other classes it seems |
| 12:56.03 | VIad | the grounds scale based on your ilvl |
| 12:56.10 | Mr_Rabies | not that i've seen |
| 12:56.13 | VIad | it should be the same at 700 ilvl and at 630 ilvl |
| 12:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | i don't believe that's the case |
| 12:56.25 | VIad | I am unsure |
| 12:56.31 | nevcairiel | in MoP you scaled down for PGs, in WoD supposedly they scale to you |
| 12:56.46 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think so, i can check that out but i definitely play way slower in PGs |
| 12:56.48 | VIad | they should be like 620+ |
| 12:57.07 | VIad | cant do the healer one on my dk, kind of lame |
| 12:57.15 | VIad | the tank is OP aggroing the mobs |
| 12:57.21 | VIad | so I cant tank it :< |
| 12:57.53 | VIad | hmm, nevcairiel, how could I rightclick with the keyboard? I believe we had a button for that |
| 12:58.05 | VIad | but this keyboard has no alt-button (has a FN key) |
| 12:58.24 | VIad | shift-f10 |
| 12:59.04 | VIad | damn word uses mouse context. if I dont mouseover the menu changes to other stuff (doesnt care if I selected what I wish to rightclick) |
| 12:59.15 | VIad | nvm |
| 13:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i guess it does scale up |
| 13:00.36 | Mr_Rabies | i need to check that out in person once i wake up |
| 13:00.39 | Mr_Rabies | well, after i vote |
| 13:00.40 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 13:00.53 | VIad | voting for drumpf? |
| 13:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's wave 7 that kills me in pg gold |
| 13:07.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think |
| 13:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'll try again later |
| 13:07.46 | VIad | :< |
| 13:07.51 | Mr_Rabies | also, yes :p |
| 13:07.59 | VIad | need to save the bursts and such |
| 13:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | that's really the problem with feral |
| 13:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't have burst except under very, very specific circumstances |
| 13:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | mostly tied to 3 minute cds |
| 13:08.52 | nevcairiel | tiger's fury at least |
| 13:08.52 | VIad | feral goes between soft kitty paws to anal destruction and back in intervals |
| 13:09.01 | VIad | not good for pg if timed badly |
| 13:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 13:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | also, i really hope they just fully kill dot snapshotting in legion |
| 13:09.24 | VIad | I kind of miss that |
| 13:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's really annoying to snapshot still as feral :< |
| 13:09.33 | nevcairiel | they removed most of snapshotting already |
| 13:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | all of our dots still snapshot |
| 13:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | and if you don't you literally lose out on like 25% of your dps |
| 13:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | possibly more |
| 13:10.35 | nevcairiel | i never liked playing feral much |
| 13:10.45 | nevcairiel | i only play guardian and tree |
| 13:10.45 | Mr_Rabies | you want to cast your bleeds when you have TF and bloodtalons up |
| 13:11.45 | VIad | I loved druids back when bear+cat was the same |
| 13:12.33 | VIad | felt like playing one of the most fun classes since you had to master two forms and playstyles and fix your buttons with a tons of spells |
| 13:12.45 | nevcairiel | thats not really how it worked |
| 13:12.46 | VIad | going bear is okay but miss the "oh I can dps now, let's go!" |
| 13:12.53 | nevcairiel | they shared the same spec, but you still focused on one of them |
| 13:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it worked every expansion at launch |
| 13:13.08 | VIad | you could spec both equally with some sacrifices |
| 13:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | and then the whining basically made both roles useless by expansion end |
| 13:13.15 | VIad | since one treee |
| 13:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | and/or poor scaling,e tc |
| 13:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm very happy they split feral and guardian properly into two specs |
| 13:13.40 | VIad | I was not |
| 13:13.54 | VIad | managed the next expansions but felt boring eventually |
| 13:14.21 | VIad | I just miss being able to swap to my cat when the other tank took over so I could dps assist |
| 13:14.27 | Mr_Rabies | you really did need to focus on one or the other, but the problem was the talent tree was a mess because they were slamming two roles into one tree |
| 13:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | same with blood dks back when |
| 13:14.44 | Mr_Rabies | and frost, to a lesser extent |
| 13:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | with the 2h/dw builds |
| 13:15.06 | VIad | back in the day picking talents across multiple trees was the norm |
| 13:15.21 | VIad | mm/survival for example |
| 13:16.45 | VIad | I wonder if I will like havoc |
| 13:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | i mean fitting two roles in one tree |
| 13:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | not one role across multiple trees |
| 13:17.02 | Mr_Rabies | that was actually okay |
| 13:17.14 | VIad | well |
| 13:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | it was basically not having any interesting talents because every talent was basically like |
| 13:17.25 | VIad | as tank druid my dps is basically my tanking spells |
| 13:17.36 | VIad | I never felt like "I am going to dps now so I will use those spells" |
| 13:17.49 | Mr_Rabies | "get this if you're cat, get this if you're bear, get this if you're resto" |
| 13:17.59 | VIad | going cat is stupid, you loose a lot dps. but staying bear has no spells you can rotate when not wanting to be the MT. |
| 13:18.25 | Mr_Rabies | i mean bear in general is pretty boring for a while now |
| 13:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | it was fun in cata, but |
| 13:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | basically since it's gotten so whittled down and boring |
| 13:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | you can basically slam every button constantly except maybe maul |
| 13:18.51 | VIad | well my dk in that sense is also the same. not many spells I can use, I just use the same rotation as I do when tanking, when I want to dps |
| 13:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | and tank fine, because everything either has no cost or has a CD and a cost |
| 13:19.12 | VIad | only perk is dk have ranged grips and a silence and not bears :D |
| 13:19.13 | nevcairiel | playing a tank isnt necessarily about a fun rotation, its about driving the group |
| 13:19.15 | nevcairiel | at least for me |
| 13:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | i miss vengeance |
| 13:19.31 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 13:19.45 | VIad | for me its a mix since I dont really raid with a guild, I pug raids, dungeons, questing, so I need to be more flexible, thats why I loved old druid feral |
| 13:19.50 | Mr_Rabies | i could really go HAM and make some people flip out with vengeance |
| 13:20.07 | Mr_Rabies | with bears it was basically a feedback loop of take more damage -> take less damage, do more damage |
| 13:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | feed into the loop forever |
| 13:20.24 | Mr_Rabies | until your dps is so high that the other tank can't hope to keep up |
| 13:21.01 | nevcairiel | i like the direction the bear takes in legion, less weird absorb effects, more pure health and armor |
| 13:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | well the synergies are looking interesting in legion |
| 13:21.06 | Mr_Rabies | we'll see how it works out |
| 13:21.18 | Mr_Rabies | basically making heart of the wild more interesting, it seems |
| 13:21.37 | Mr_Rabies | you pick a synergy at one of the talent levels, regardless of spec |
| 13:21.40 | nevcairiel | also, bear has a artifact trait called ion canon that interacts with you shooting moonfires =p |
| 13:22.02 | Mr_Rabies | i think moonfire bear is really dumb tbh |
| 13:22.02 | nevcairiel | i hope they dont rename that |
| 13:22.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:22.27 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't make any sense in the class lore, really |
| 13:22.42 | VIad | flame wreath is back bois |
| 13:22.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather see a bear-themed ranged ability |
| 13:22.55 | nevcairiel | sure it does, druids should not lose access to their arcane tendencies just because they turned into a bear |
| 13:23.21 | VIad | arcane bear form |
| 13:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | well, moonfire's not really arcane, just in game it is |
| 13:23.31 | VIad | different than dire bear form |
| 13:23.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's a moon nature effect |
| 13:23.41 | VIad | could be ranged based |
| 13:23.54 | VIad | bash turns into moonfire |
| 13:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | and casting spells and the like is supposed to be something that takes great dexterity |
| 13:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | something a druid whose brain is wild with rage due to shapeshifting into a bear shouldn't have |
| 13:25.00 | VIad | imagine shapeshifting into a hampster |
| 13:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather see something that matches the kit a bit more |
| 13:25.14 | VIad | instant down to like 1IQ |
| 13:25.18 | VIad | cant turn back |
| 13:26.04 | Mr_Rabies | like a spirit of ursoc charges out of you and swipes everything within x yards of the target, or something |
| 13:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 13:26.22 | VIad | wonder what the game will be like after the pruning |
| 13:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | moonfire is much too tied into the druids who go for the talon sect, which is tied more into the lunar stuff |
| 13:28.22 | Mr_Rabies | feral druids aren't really part of the lunar stuff, though they have the ability to use some of elune's gifts, since she is part of nature after all |
| 13:28.25 | Mr_Rabies | same with healing abilities |
| 13:28.35 | nevcairiel | ferals have used moonfire for a while now, makes sense to give guardians that as well |
| 13:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't if they want to do good dps :v |
| 13:29.10 | VIad | faerie fire has been around for ages too |
| 13:29.14 | Mr_Rabies | it was useful for like one fight with crappy gear, but it's a really bad talent |
| 13:29.16 | VIad | for both cats and bears |
| 13:29.37 | VIad | I hope they fix that in legion |
| 13:29.45 | VIad | make talents good but let people decide on playstyle |
| 13:29.57 | VIad | rather than pick one because the other two are shit at your end game gear |
| 13:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'd also rather see that replaced with something less directly connected to talon druids |
| 13:30.22 | VIad | faerie fire > pheromone squirt |
| 13:30.24 | Mr_Rabies | right now there's only really one druid build, and it's all centered around incarnation |
| 13:30.24 | nevcairiel | talents in legion control the complexity of your rotaiton so some degree, ie. actives vs. passives, generally the passive choice should not do better dps, since its much easier |
| 13:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | one feral druid build |
| 13:30.38 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 13:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | basically we have two talent tiers that affect dps at all, and there's really only one talent choice for each |
| 13:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | incarnation and bloodtalons |
| 13:32.18 | nevcairiel | most classes work like that, one does slightly more dps, and suddenly there is no choice =p |
| 13:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's not slight though |
| 13:32.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's HUGE |
| 13:32.46 | Mr_Rabies | like, you literally do half the dps if you pick anything other than incarnation |
| 13:32.54 | nevcairiel | doesnt really matter, even a slight difference makes people not use anything else |
| 13:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's where all our dps comes from |
| 13:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be okay with a minor difference, in fact i'd prefer it |
| 13:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | but incarnation is all that feral is right now |
| 13:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | that's the only time we do good dps, and between the 3 minute cooldowns we basically do crap for dps |
| 13:33.53 | Mr_Rabies | everything is balanced around that one talent for some insane dumb reason |
| 13:33.55 | VIad | if you had something like a dotless cat you could pick other talents that synergize better with that playstyle |
| 13:34.07 | VIad | trick is making it balanced so you actually can have that :p |
| 13:34.19 | VIad | like, is dotless priest a thing in mythic raids? |
| 13:34.31 | VIad | or did that talent just flop in the end game |
| 13:34.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'd much rather do soul of the forest if it was balanced properly |
| 13:35.08 | Mr_Rabies | makes finishing moves refund energy when you use them |
| 13:35.25 | VIad | with pvp out of the picture |
| 13:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | i loved the faster paced gameplay in previous expansions, |
| 13:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, no one really plays shadow priest that i know |
| 13:35.48 | VIad | I guess blizz have more leeway |
| 13:35.54 | Mr_Rabies | or warlock |
| 13:36.20 | VIad | I hope we dont get ahsran v2 |
| 13:36.35 | VIad | I still havent done the elites island i ashran because its pointless and hard and no one does that, abit lame. |
| 13:36.43 | Mr_Rabies | feral was so incredibly slow paced until basically getting full heroic gear with crit focus and 4/4 set bonus |
| 13:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | ashran was a great idea but the actual execution was a huge massive letdown |
| 13:37.16 | Mr_Rabies | much like a good 50% of WoD :( |
| 13:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | not including the stuff that was cut for that reason |
| 13:37.49 | VIad | they already cut the southern island in legion |
| 13:38.00 | VIad | unsure if its a good sign :p |
| 13:38.03 | VIad | #wodalloveragain |
| 13:38.13 | Mr_Rabies | really the only good thing in WoD is the raiding, other than possibly the 20 man hard limit for mythic |
| 13:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | as great as it is to go "okay, one difficulty, we get to see the same thing as the world first guys" |
| 13:38.51 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't matter when realms are so dead finding 20 mythic-tier players is impossible |
| 13:39.03 | VIad | they combine realms if yours dies |
| 13:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | we're already merged with one, we're still dead |
| 13:39.25 | VIad | need more merges |
| 13:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | absolutely |
| 13:39.53 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't connected realms in a really, really long time |
| 13:39.55 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason |
| 13:40.03 | Mr_Rabies | it can't be because the realms are at a healthy population |
| 13:40.05 | VIad | #it's hard |
| 13:40.28 | Mr_Rabies | our guild is 15th on the server and we haven't even touched anything in mythic |
| 13:40.36 | VIad | that's sad |
| 13:40.51 | VIad | 15th on the server should be, by now, mythic on farm, |
| 13:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | only 6 guilds have touched mythic |
| 13:40.58 | Mr_Rabies | on my realm |
| 13:41.12 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/connected-llane |
| 13:41.13 | VIad | realm lacks competent players? |
| 13:41.21 | Mr_Rabies | realm lacks players |
| 13:41.38 | VIad | submit a GM ticket and ask him to search for missing players |
| 13:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | the game is dying and blizzard HAS to do something to get the realms connected or something |
| 13:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | people aren't gonna transfer their characters, they're just gonna stop playing |
| 13:44.05 | VIad | they should keep their connected realm programme |
| 13:44.17 | VIad | and pair up realms that have sub X active players |
| 13:45.28 | Mr_Rabies | the last connected realms thing i can see is from august 2014 |
| 13:45.45 | VIad | thats long time ago |
| 13:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | as of 2014-10-08 all planned realm connections have been completed. |
| 13:48.42 | Mr_Rabies | ah, that's including europe |
| 13:48.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, our last ones were in august of that year |
| 13:49.51 | Mr_Rabies | they must be working on some realm-agnostic tech that's taking a bit too long to come out |
| 13:49.58 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise they'd have connected a lot more realms by now |
| 13:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | i hope that one day our realm is just a legacy thing where our character is stored to deal with name collisions |
| 13:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | and the game world could have anyone from any realm, but should prefer to keep realms and guilds together |
| 13:53.36 | VIad | it's so horribly difficult to explain to someone that has no clue how the internet works why something went wrong :( |
| 13:54.31 | VIad | there is a site with a redirect script that somehow buypasses some auth check, but the site starts to try load files that it needs, but those files arent excempt, so they are met with a login site. so the user ends up on a white page that couldnt load the javascript it needs to continue loading... |
| 13:54.52 | VIad | something to do with subdomains and a login gateway usually just redirecting you if you are logged on the main domain and such |
| 13:56.29 | VIad | it's like if you go to http://home.com/site it will check and redirect you to http://home-hash.com/site then that will check your cookies and auth you for "home-hash" and load the rest |
| 13:56.54 | Mr_Rabies | just seeing you try to describe it here gives me a headache, so i believe you, lol |
| 13:57.08 | VIad | but if you get redirected in a special way it just sends you directly to http://home-hash.com/site/thespecificfile and that locks up the process and it wont check your cookies but load the page because it was told to |
| 13:57.23 | VIad | the trick is navigating to the parent domain but the proper path |
| 13:57.30 | VIad | and let the system from there handle the like 2-3 redirects |
| 13:57.38 | VIad | and that will properly setup all the cookies and stuff it requires |
| 13:57.57 | VIad | but microsoft didnt foresee the users that maybe bookmark the link that uses the redirect variant |
| 13:58.03 | VIad | that is a bit broken :p |
| 13:58.36 | VIad | its like once you use it and try figure it out and see how it behaves in the logs and such |
| 13:58.49 | VIad | you know how to fix it for yourself, you know what kind of links you should pin on the main page |
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| 14:04.19 | VIad | by nature I have huge issues explaining complex things simply |
| 14:04.36 | VIad | if I say it too simply then I get the standard "can you fix it?" |
| 14:04.48 | VIad | then I say its not us, its microsoft |
| 14:05.16 | VIad | then its a whole dialog where I try to explain unless microsoft fixes this it will stay bugged and you should use that link instead of the easy one |
| 14:05.20 | VIad | :'( |
| 14:05.25 | VIad | (â¯Â°â¡Â°ï¼â¯ï¸µ â»ââ» |
| 14:10.15 | VIad | ༼ 㤠â_â ༽㤠|
| 14:11.28 | Gnarfoz | I |
| 14:11.31 | Gnarfoz | am disappoint |
| 14:11.51 | VIad | why? |
| 14:11.53 | Gnarfoz | why does DROWN only have a fancy acronym name and a weak logo? where's the video? |
| 14:12.09 | VIad | â»â⻠︵ã½(°â¡Â°)ï¾ï¸µ â»ââ» |
| 14:12.10 | Gnarfoz | MouseJack set a new standard, I expect a certain level of PR now! ^^ |
| 14:14.49 | VIad | I have no clue what you are talking about |
| 14:16.40 | Gnarfoz | https://www.mousejack.com/ vs https://www.drownattack.com/ |
| 14:22.52 | VIad | haha |
| 14:23.01 | VIad | we use wireless equipment |
| 14:23.13 | VIad | but I take out the dongle and put it back into the mouse/keyboard combo |
| 14:23.19 | VIad | if someone else wantsto use my station |
| 14:23.41 | VIad | and I place my laptop in my locker |
| 14:24.05 | VIad | I guess I see a point if its like always connected to some machine that is always on |
| 14:24.32 | Gnarfoz | which is the case for 99% of wireless keyboard users |
| 14:25.06 | Gnarfoz | if you can have your dongle in the slot, why wouldn't you? :> |
| 14:25.28 | VIad | only important bit is having your keyboard wireless packets encrypted |
| 14:25.35 | Simca | lol |
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| 14:28.35 | VIad | in oslo the subject of fake towers snatching up IME numbers and such is a problem as well |
| 14:28.47 | VIad | seems like there are a lot of entry ways to get information passively |
| 14:29.01 | VIad | a lot of old tech like phones, operate at older protocols and methods that are less safe |
| 14:29.04 | VIad | and exposed |
| 14:31.40 | VIad | typing over remote desktop can be iffy, especially if there is a bit lag, suddenly I enter too many or too few characters :/ |
| 14:32.29 | Gnarfoz | never had that issue, seems like you're out of bandwidth or CPU or both ^^ |
| 14:35.09 | VIad | network lag |
| 14:35.12 | VIad | :p |
| 14:35.27 | VIad | the network can sometmes get a bit laggy |
| 14:35.59 | VIad | something to do with the local proxy gateway used outside my juridiction |
| 14:36.09 | VIad | jurisdiction* |
| 14:52.27 | VIad | /me prepares to head out soon. |
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| 15:26.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: that trend is old. after it came the trend of also having a cute logo. and then, most recently: videos! https://www.mousejack.com/ |
| 15:26.17 | Gnarfoz | bleh, wrong channel. |
| 15:26.29 | znf | videos, now? |
| 15:26.30 | znf | ! |
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| 16:01.32 | karl_w_w | spammers please, if you're going to spam me at least include the link to your phishing site |
| 16:01.45 | karl_w_w | "I Haley! I need a sex partner Register and write my nickname Volna95! I'm waiting for you registration" on it's own doesn't do anything |
| 16:01.56 | karl_w_w | its |
| 16:03.34 | VIad | oh can I join, karl_w_w? |
| 16:03.45 | VIad | ask if there is room for one more |
| 16:16.56 | Ressy | o.O |
| 16:31.02 | znf | Does anyone know of a linux live distro or something that facilitates testing disk health? |
| 16:31.18 | jleclanche | znf: grml |
| 16:31.42 | znf | I'm looking for something more streamlined, that a monkey can do |
| 16:31.45 | znf | point & click |
| 16:32.31 | znf | so I can delegate this task to someone else who's not exactly technical |
| 16:32.53 | znf | and can simply connect a hdd, click a button, "disk is ok" or "throw this shit away" |
| 16:59.01 | pompy | guess the auth servers are fucked |
| 16:59.23 | Gnarfoz | most vendors do have their own test tools, znf |
| 16:59.30 | Gnarfoz | grab the appropriate ones |
| 16:59.36 | znf | way too many |
| 16:59.49 | znf | like I said, I was looking for something point & clicky so I can delegate |
| 16:59.51 | Gnarfoz | in all other cases you need to be able to interpret the data |
| 17:00.07 | Gnarfoz | could simply check the SMART data :D |
| 17:00.17 | Gnarfoz | "if this, this this or this number is >0, throw away" |
| 17:00.19 | Gnarfoz | but that's rather crude |
| 17:00.30 | nevcairiel | SMART data isnt all that .. well .. smart |
| 17:01.17 | nevcairiel | you would probably want to run a proper surface test of the hdd if you want to be sure, especially if it has been sitting in a box somewhere instead of running |
| 17:03.20 | Gnarfoz | hence: vendor's tool |
| 17:04.37 | pompy | The maintenance period has been extended until approximately 10:00 (PST). We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience while we work to restore full service. Please follow @BlizzardCS on Twitter for further updates. |
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| 19:19.37 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCrnEbxOR60 |
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| 20:40.24 | Gnarfoz | Alram: is this GearVR thing worth a damn? |
| 20:40.28 | Gnarfoz | or is it just e-waste |
| 20:41.00 | Alram | its useful to explain what VR is to a person i guess |
| 20:41.39 | znf | VR will be a flop |
| 20:41.41 | znf | just like 3D |
| 20:41.58 | Alram | because they are totally comparable |
| 20:42.00 | Alram | ohwait |
| 20:42.34 | znf | nobody wants to wear glasses/headsets |
| 20:43.06 | Alram | are you putting 3d glasses in the same category as vr headsets? :D |
| 20:43.25 | znf | they're shit you need to put on your head |
| 20:43.54 | Alram | but people wear hats too |
| 20:44.13 | Gnarfoz | m'lady |
| 20:44.41 | znf | Alram, indoors? |
| 20:45.00 | Gnarfoz | sadly, yes |
| 20:45.08 | Alram | znf, i wish they didnt but sure |
| 20:45.28 | znf | not sane people |
| 20:45.48 | Gnarfoz | keep in mind "hat" covers baseball caps, too |
| 20:46.21 | Alram | what about wigs |
| 20:46.29 | Alram | they are also things people put on their head |
| 20:46.33 | Gnarfoz | I only approve of Wiigs |
| 20:47.05 | Alram | BigWigs? |
| 20:47.07 | znf | I approve of nothing |
| 20:47.09 | Alram | or SmallWigs? |
| 20:47.11 | znf | VR is silly |
| 20:47.28 | Gnarfoz | your face is silly :D |
| 20:47.29 | znf | won't pick up pace, will be renegated to the status of "gimmick" |
| 20:47.35 | Gnarfoz | (I'm not into VR, either) |
| 20:47.48 | Gnarfoz | GearVR would be free, only reason I'm asking |
| 20:47.52 | znf | I'll wait until the holo-deck |
| 20:48.24 | Alram | holodecks are silly |
| 20:48.36 | Alram | nobody wants to dedicate a room to a holodeck |
| 20:48.39 | Alram | dont be silly!! |
| 20:48.50 | Gnarfoz | Troy and Abed did |
| 20:48.56 | Gnarfoz | and so would I |
| 20:48.59 | Alram | that wasnt a holodeck |
| 20:49.01 | Alram | that was a dreamatorium |
| 20:49.08 | Alram | please |
| 20:49.19 | Gnarfoz | only because they're americans scared of trademark disputes every waking hour |
| 20:49.22 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 20:49.28 | Alram | exactly |
| 20:49.52 | Alram | but i'm perfectly willing to dedicate a room to vr to basically have a holodeck too, with a thing on my face |
| 20:49.57 | znf | I want to punch this router |
| 20:49.59 | Alram | if only i had a room to dedicate! |
| 20:51.33 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 20:51.45 | Gnarfoz | I'd share my dreamatorium with you, Alram |
| 20:52.01 | Alram | hot |
| 20:54.13 | Gnarfoz | I'd prefer one with A/C |
| 20:58.01 | Stanzilla | I |
| 20:58.06 | Stanzilla | d prefer one with AC/DC |
| 20:58.12 | Gnarfoz | that's also acceptable |
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| 21:56.04 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/s/bnk.mp4 |
| 21:56.20 | Semlar | a username and password is required |
| 21:56.39 | foxlit | er |
| 21:57.00 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/bnk.mp4 |
| 21:57.34 | Semlar | now i want to know what's in /s/ |
| 21:58.07 | foxlit | /s/tuff. |
| 21:58.19 | Semlar | is it a secret |
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| 21:59.36 | foxlit | to everybody. |
| 22:46.50 | airtonix | furry fox hoods |
| 22:46.52 | Gnarfoz | secret sauce |
| 22:55.49 | zenzelezz | "You and 94.1% of players didn't ask to leave with Mike". Not exactly surprising, the way they built up the character/alternatives, but still amusing with such an overwhelming share |
| 22:56.17 | zenzelezz | say what you want, I still enjoy the Telltale games/style |
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| 23:13.17 | karl_w_w | znf were you just parodying what other, crazy people say about vr? |
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| 23:19.24 | znf | karl_w_w: nope |
| 23:19.32 | znf | I really think it will flop |
| 23:22.32 | karl_w_w | well, let's come back in 6 months and chuckle about such craziness :P |
| 23:28.05 | airtonix | when the rest of the world is crazy, is it really craziness? |
| 23:28.53 | bshelden | I don't think it'll flop, I think it'll stay niche. Desktop computers themselves are on the way out of the mainstream. |
| 23:29.20 | bshelden | Still, wake me up when you can make my monitor look like a window I see through into a 3d space. |
| 23:29.54 | bshelden | No goggles, no super restricted FoV. Make it Just Work. |
| 23:30.38 | airtonix | isn't that what they said about the telephone? |
| 23:30.55 | airtonix | 200 hundredlolyears later |
| 23:32.00 | bshelden | Personal computers aren't on the way out. The massive desktops on the other hand. Why when this phone can do most of what I need, and that tablet can do the rest? |
| 23:32.35 | bshelden | Current VR tech needs a dedicated space, which is exactly what trends are moving away from. |
| 23:33.08 | nevcairiel | No phone or tablet comes close to providing what I need =p |
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| 23:33.24 | bshelden | Of course. But the residence of this channel are hardly 'mainstream'. |
| 23:33.32 | bshelden | I'll keep my beast a good long time too. |
| 23:33.58 | Unkle | residents = people. residence = place. English is funny. |
| 23:34.23 | bshelden | typo. Danke, Unkle. |
| 23:34.25 | nevcairiel | mobile games will never replace actual consoles or PC gaming for a wide variety of game genres, since they just dont work on them |
| 23:34.37 | bshelden | Of course. |
| 23:34.52 | nevcairiel | noone ever needed a PC to play farmville, it was just the only thing they had :p |
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| 23:35.23 | bshelden | Consoles are "good enough", so that's covered. The TV isn't likely to go anywhere (passive entertainment is not going away anytime soon), and the console just jacks into that. |
| 23:35.40 | bshelden | Note, I'm teh 'PC MASTUR RACE' ra ra ra, but meh. |
| 23:35.55 | Unkle | And digital card games 'feel' better on a touch-based interface vs mouse/keyboard (i.e. I think I prefer Magic Duels to MtG:Online). |
| 23:35.59 | bshelden | The set of games that really are PC only is not enough to keep desktops 'mainstream'. |
| 23:36.54 | karl_w_w | aren't the 4 most popular games in the world locked to PC? |
| 23:37.06 | karl_w_w | wow, league, dota, csgo |
| 23:37.15 | bshelden | And three of them could adapt |
| 23:37.29 | bshelden | Even if FPS on console is .... *shudders* |
| 23:37.47 | bshelden | Of those, only WoW would have to fundamentally change to be a console game. |
| 23:38.16 | nevcairiel | fast paced mobas dont really work on consoles |
| 23:38.19 | karl_w_w | uh |
| 23:38.21 | Unkle | "Stop thinking Czech Police, start thinking Sony Playstation." |
| 23:39.17 | bshelden | I'm not saying desktops are going to die. I am saying they're becoming more and more niche. |
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| 23:40.48 | karl_w_w | well that's true, but in a few years that wouldn't hinder VR anyway because a console will be able to do it without much trouble |
| 23:41.11 | Unkle | I think more and more computers will stop being a device on which we focus, like we do the desktop, and become more a thing we access via some other means - aka the terminal model, but the terminal is anything from a phone, to a voice command issued to a microphone. |
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| 23:41.25 | bshelden | Yep. But with consoles it's the peripheral problem. TV is Good Enough (tm) so why bother with the silly helmet? |
| 23:41.45 | bshelden | Unkle: It does seem we're back on track for mainframes, yes. |
| 23:41.57 | bshelden | Wonder if that's cyclic or if the powerful desktop bit was a fluke. |
| 23:42.16 | Unkle | More like an economics thing. |
| 23:42.18 | karl_w_w | that is of course if consoles get much further than the next generation after this one |
| 23:42.27 | Unkle | It got cheap enough to to most of the computing locally. |
| 23:42.54 | Unkle | It still is. But more and more often we need more power than is convenient locally. |
| 23:43.09 | bshelden | That all said, I really need to get my hands on a VR set so I know if it gives me simulation sickness. There's one game in particular I NEEDS a VR rig for. |
| 23:43.13 | Unkle | And there's money to be made provding that power. |
| 23:43.31 | bshelden | Bandwidth has to increase to match or it doesn't work |
| 23:43.41 | bshelden | And it's been a struggle getting the pipes to grow once laid. |
| 23:43.43 | karl_w_w | is it waifu simulator, bshelden? |
| 23:43.47 | bshelden | Totally |
| 23:43.52 | bshelden | >.> |
| 23:44.20 | Unkle | For many tasks, bandwidth now is ... pretty good. Once you want richer media experiences, you'll want more bandwidth. But we're getting there. |
| 23:45.12 | bshelden | Sort of. I'm in a city where I'm starting to bet it will never happen. Fiber is starting to roll out... to super high density housing only. Nobody's willing to sink the capital to last mile to anything but condo towers. |
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| 23:45.34 | bshelden | If we can make some tech progress on wireless bandwidth, that'll do it. |
| 23:46.21 | nevcairiel | wireless is a shared medium, unless the overall available bandwidth can massively exceed the users needs, its never going to beat a hardline |
| 23:46.42 | bshelden | nevcairiel: Agreed, it'll never beat a hardline, but it'll beat copper at some point./ |
| 23:46.43 | nevcairiel | just because you compete with everyone for the space on the air |
| 23:46.52 | nevcairiel | copper aint dead yet |
| 23:46.55 | bshelden | And nobody here is laying anything at all. So existing copper is what I have. |
| 23:51.35 | airtonix | don't bother with a rift |
| 23:51.37 | nevcairiel | Since installing fiber after-the-fact is extremely expensive, they have been working on copper development for a long time, and the latest techs can do 10Gbit at 50 meters or so, which of course still delivery much faster speeds than previous tech at longer speeds, as well. |
| 23:51.38 | airtonix | it's doa |
| 23:52.01 | bshelden | I wrote off the rift as soon as facebook bought it. I trust that company to do evil. |
| 23:52.17 | airtonix | they don't support linux anymore. so fuck them. |
| 23:52.34 | bshelden | Mrh, that ship sailed. Linux is /never/ taking the desktop |
| 23:52.43 | airtonix | newslfash, it already has |
| 23:52.58 | tz | but 2016 is the year of the linux desktop! |
| 23:52.59 | bshelden | Apparently this is a reality tunneling chat channel... |
| 23:53.01 | tz | or was that 2015 |
| 23:53.04 | tz | or 2014 |
| 23:53.05 | tz | hmm |
| 23:53.37 | airtonix | not supporting linux means you don't want a share of the valve market. which means you like commerical suicide |
| 23:53.56 | bshelden | I'm pretty convinced that the steambox is DOA |
| 23:53.59 | airtonix | or is the world still flat? |
| 23:54.07 | tz | last I checked valve linux only had 1% uptake, pretty sure they don't give a shit |
| 23:54.12 | bshelden | I'd like to be wrong there, but not believing it from this perspective. |
| 23:54.18 | tz | steam on linux* |
| 23:54.31 | bshelden | And I nuked Steam from orbit from my linux machines after the deleting-home-if-symlink debacle. |
| 23:54.41 | airtonix | k |
| 23:54.44 | bshelden | I reboot to windows for gaming now. |
| 23:54.51 | bshelden | And no longer care about gaming on linux |
| 23:54.58 | airtonix | that's a riveting tale old chap |
| 23:55.34 | airtonix | so back to reality. |
| 23:58.06 | Gnarfoz | in which linux gaming is a joke and the year of the Linux Desktop is scheduled for slightly after the Rapture |
| 23:59.06 | tz | but tuxracer |
| 23:59.21 | tz | and like I get a bazillion fps for glxgears |
| 23:59.29 | tz | that counts for something, right? |
