| 00:00.05 | emihir0 | i see |
| 00:00.07 | Semlar2 | which is pretty much why they removed the ability to do it |
| 00:02.02 | Semlar2 | if you have to ask whether you're allowed to do something you should probably use your own discretion |
| 00:05.00 | [TOM_RUS] | emihir0, GetServerTime |
| 00:05.11 | Semlar2 | tries to calm tom_rus down |
| 00:05.15 | emihir0 | well, from the blizz policies i've read about this, there are no specific boundaries for these kind of stuff... for me automatically reporting info about enemy team in BG would be thrown out if i was blizz, but changing your own title would not... so it's kind of hard sometimes |
| 00:05.57 | Semlar2 | if you can do it with the api, you can do it, unless it's violating another policy, which almost only applies to doing things like spamming the chat or harassing people |
| 00:06.25 | emihir0 | oki ^_^ |
| 00:06.46 | Semlar2 | they should just change the policy to read "don't be a dick" |
| 00:07.09 | nevcairiel | it essentially says that |
| 00:07.22 | Semlar2 | too many words |
| 00:08.48 | Semlar2 | anyway, it's intentionally vague so they can review things on a case by case basis |
| 00:09.50 | emihir0 | yep, that was my understanding too... |
| 00:09.58 | Semlar2 | also auto-reporting people in a battleground is probably kind of pointless |
| 00:10.48 | emihir0 | well knowing enemy player's achievs/specs/classes would be quite useful |
| 00:10.55 | Semlar2 | blizzard has access to a lot more information than addons do, if they wanted to automatically detect something they would do it on the server |
| 00:11.22 | emihir0 | achievs as in... for example 4x 2200, 2x 1500, 6x zero |
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| 02:25.09 | Stanzilla | Simca_: oh hey, bnet app alphas |
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| 03:03.31 | kd3 | grr, the bnet app just broke in wine |
| 03:03.33 | kd3 | damn it |
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| 03:06.28 | Amarande | yeh, wine seems less and less worth it every day :( |
| 03:07.27 | Amarande | heck, not only do evolving things like online clients have a tendency to break like that, you also get a significant increase in your attack surface as well |
| 03:07.34 | Simca_ | Stanzilla: yeah it's interesting |
| 03:07.42 | Simca_ | they encrypted the binaries and the mpq with the assets |
| 03:08.04 | Simca_ | so they might be privately testing a new feature they don't want leaked on the public servers |
| 03:08.16 | Stanzilla | Simca_: yeah I was not able to extract the mpq and the exe from the cdn |
| 03:08.18 | Simca_ | it's overwatch-style encryption |
| 03:09.37 | Stanzilla | dem secretz |
| 03:11.45 | Amarande | DRM :( |
| 03:12.01 | Amarande | WoW 7.0: The Emerald DRM? :P |
| 03:13.19 | Simca_ | it's also amusing it caused a full scale update for b.net apps, even though it's not a fully-pushed build |
| 03:13.40 | Simca_ | people everywhere forced to restart their app for literally no reason at all |
| 03:15.44 | Stanzilla | as always |
| 03:15.58 | Amarande | yeah, that seems to be epidemic in the mainstream computing world these days |
| 03:16.11 | Amarande | "always be prepared to drop everything and restart this app/your computer for a random update NOW" :P |
| 03:16.11 | Stanzilla | they added "beta" as a locale and updated all locales just for the lulz |
| 03:16.13 | Stanzilla | with 0 changes |
| 03:25.14 | Shirik | I'm not sure I call that an epidemic Amarande |
| 03:25.28 | Shirik | the epidemic is people living on 5 year old software with holes everywhere |
| 03:25.54 | Rythal | I do that :/ rebooting is such a pain, so I never update. |
| 03:26.25 | Shirik | I'm sure your botnet masters also consider it a pain |
| 03:27.50 | Rythal | After the latest kernel exploit scare I finally formatted and re-installed a new distro that warns better about updates... then turned around and installed an obsolete 2.x openvz kernel |
| 03:28.31 | Amarande | hah, the botnet masters might even be even happier about updates :) |
| 03:28.51 | Amarande | as long as they're keeping one step ahead, updates just make their victims *think* they're being protected, which makes them even less likely to look for bots |
| 03:29.29 | Amarande | (and the general impression appears to be that hackers are normally miles ahead, never mind a mere one step) |
| 03:29.55 | Amarande | Rythal: the keyring one? |
| 03:30.09 | Rythal | I learned my lesson good about using rsync instead of cp -R to backup stuff before format tho :| lost 5 years of programming projects |
| 03:30.29 | Amarande | the keyring one is kind of overblown ... not only is it a local-only exploit, but it can be completely squelched by removing a kernel option you probably don't even use anyway, *and* even if you are vulnerable the exploit seems to be pretty obtuse |
| 03:30.30 | Rythal | Yeah keyring was what got me to finally re-install |
| 03:30.52 | Amarande | from what I've been reading about it, it seems that people are finding the PoC to be pretty difficult to make to work properly |
| 03:31.08 | Amarande | (I can't really test, apparently I'm missing some header file it requires) |
| 03:31.48 | Amarande | I also can't seem to find anything on the status of 4.4, though |
| 03:32.18 | airtonix | what are you complaining about now? |
| 03:32.19 | Amarande | 4.3 and 4.1 both got updates for that CVE, but 4.4 has not, so I'm not sure if it's not vulnerable, or if (given the presence of a 4.5rc1 already) they're already planning to cut 4.4 short like was done with 4.2 |
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| 03:33.40 | Shirik | Amarande: the key being "as long as they're keeping one step ahead" |
| 03:33.48 | Shirik | that is almost surely not true |
| 03:34.17 | Shirik | it is much easier and effective to go for the easy targets and ignore even the mildly difficult ones |
| 03:34.37 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:34.42 | Amarande | we don't have to outrun the zombies, we just have to outrun joe |
| 03:34.50 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:34.56 | airtonix | most hackers are just windows users on visual studio. |
| 03:35.42 | airtonix | what is that tool on visual studio that re-writes bad code into slightly less bad code? |
| 03:35.45 | airtonix | resharper? |
| 03:35.53 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:36.03 | airtonix | those guys must be making a killing |
| 03:36.04 | Amarande | there's a tool on visual studio that rewrites your code to compensate for lack of coding skill? |
| 03:36.06 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:36.18 | airtonix | well yeah ontop of what visual studio already does |
| 03:36.29 | Amarande | mind you, that's depending on what version of visual studio they have |
| 03:36.32 | Rythal | most "hackers" are just scripts that scan IP addresses looking for outdated entries and weak passwords... my logs are full of hundreds of attempts a day for common web portals, ssh, ftp, mysql |
| 03:36.52 | Amarande | if it's russians, they probably have some pretty cutting edge stuff, given that organised crime seems to be particularly skilful there |
| 03:37.08 | airtonix | natural selection does that |
| 03:37.09 | Amarande | if it's the chinese, then it's probably some ratty old thing, given the versions of stuff that tend to be commonly used in china |
| 03:37.24 | Amarande | (how long was it till China stopped being majority IE6? LOL) |
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| 04:47.37 | fewyn | so which linux should i use for my media server? |
| 04:49.03 | Amarande | media? mint, I'd say |
| 04:49.21 | Amarande | usually I suggest debian in general, but debian has certain ... faults with media |
| 04:49.34 | Amarande | e.g., redbox got a buck fifty from me for free the other night thanks to friggin DRM |
| 04:52.17 | fewyn | mint isn't really setup for media server tho it's more of a desktop distro i think? |
| 04:57.35 | Amarande | yeah, it's certainly good with media, though I'm not sure how well it works as a server |
| 04:59.08 | Simca_ | XBMC ('Kodi' now) has its own variant of Ubuntu, if you want to be all 2004 |
| 04:59.40 | Simca_ | it works well enough |
| 05:01.04 | fewyn | i use kodi on my clients |
| 05:01.07 | fewyn | i need a server tho =p |
| 05:06.22 | kd3 | plex? |
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| 05:26.23 | fewyn | plex isn't a distro tho |
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| 05:56.45 | mckenziemc | jqc3fz$G |
| 05:56.55 | mckenziemc | cute |
| 05:58.10 | mckenziemc | Windows likes to change the focused window when you don't expect it, and not do when you do :< |
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| 06:12.08 | Semlar | compromises mckenziemc |
| 06:14.23 | mckenziemc | exposes Semlar to things he wishes he hadn't seen. |
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| 06:31.21 | Torhal | gives mckenziemc's home number to "Microsoft" so he can be scammed. |
| 06:33.59 | mckenziemc | fills Torhal's computer with errors. |
| 06:42.00 | Torhal | fills mckenziemc's bank account with zeros. |
| 06:55.16 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 07:41.03 | Rythal | fewyn: I was using slackware on my xbmc/media server, just changed it over to mint 3 days ago. |
| 07:42.45 | Rythal | If it's a headless server doesn't really matter too much desktop or server distro.. your sshing into it anyways... and the same packages end up being installed. |
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| 08:14.45 | VIad | Rythal: you have a tv with software to allow it to get media from your server directly? |
| 08:16.35 | VIad | I have a NUC I use for my teamspeak server and I put xbmc on it as well, but no server, so I still plug in a HDD or via network connecting to get access to the files I wish to play on it. my TV is software less, so no fancy streaming directly from it :p |
| 08:16.45 | VIad | just curious about your setup |
| 08:43.00 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure Rythal's TV runs Carbonite, VIad. |
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| 09:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | mckenzie, I did that with my windows password a while back. Standard "lol, guess you should change that, lol" responses. Of course I changed it, I said! I'm not dumb! |
| 09:23.20 | ZorbaTHut | I did the same thing four months later and everyone saw that my "change" was "add a ! at the end". |
| 09:23.37 | ZorbaTHut | I changed it for real after that :P |
| 09:42.45 | Gnarfoz | by adding a # at the front |
| 09:42.45 | VIad | Torhal: my tv is like the old phones that only had a call function :D |
| 09:43.03 | Gnarfoz | you've said that twice now |
| 09:43.52 | Gnarfoz | and in case you're not aware: the built-in media features that your TV lacks usually suck badly anyway. an external source like kodi or plex is almost always preferrable |
| 09:44.27 | VIad | since its a NUC I keep it under the tv, so its hooked via hdmi :p |
| 09:44.44 | VIad | found that to be a easy solution to transfering media to the screen |
| 09:45.07 | VIad | now I have to look up what carbonite is |
| 09:49.33 | Gnarfoz | basically competition to QuestHelper, which ZorbaTHut maintained long ago |
| 09:49.51 | nevcairiel | its much more evil than that |
| 09:50.14 | nevcairiel | i'm not even sure it has such quest information build int tbh |
| 09:50.18 | VIad | we were talking about media center and tvs |
| 09:50.21 | VIad | :p |
| 09:50.26 | VIad | I guess it was nothing |
| 09:51.16 | VIad | all I can say regarding carbonite, regardless it being paid and against tos and such, it still did get a lot of development back then and the way the map worked was nice and smooth. |
| 09:51.40 | VIad | no one has made anything like that since, probably lack of financial backing for the endless work it is to maintain. |
| 09:52.05 | VIad | understandable though, if it has to be free, makes it kind of hard to have high cost maintenance addons around |
| 09:52.25 | nevcairiel | dont think its paid, not these days anyway |
| 09:52.28 | VIad | I just remember since it got forced to be free it kind of started to slowly rot and die |
| 09:52.35 | VIad | was talking about long ago when it was pait |
| 09:52.36 | VIad | paid* |
| 09:52.54 | VIad | though never used it myself, only looked at it once or twice. |
| 09:52.56 | Gnarfoz | actually I'm not sure why I made the QuestHelper connection, Torhal's joke was directed at Rythal, who maintains Carbonite |
| 09:53.05 | VIad | :d |
| 09:53.13 | nevcairiel | probably because zorba was talking right after? :p |
| 09:54.35 | VIad | =:o |
| 09:54.37 | nevcairiel | with todays quest information being easily available in game, addons like QuestHelper are either useless or can be extremely simplified into presenting a quest flow to follow, but dont really need the quest data anymore |
| 09:54.38 | Gnarfoz | probably |
| 09:54.46 | nevcairiel | does that thing even stil lexist |
| 09:54.48 | nevcairiel | looks |
| 09:55.02 | VIad | I am sure it does, though not sure how well maintained |
| 09:55.16 | nevcairiel | seems like its dead |
| 09:55.20 | VIad | only usefull addons these days would be quest flow within a zone maybe |
| 09:55.29 | VIad | but even that, not really needed. especially since wod |
| 09:55.37 | VIad | even mop maybe |
| 09:55.39 | nevcairiel | yes its dead |
| 09:55.44 | nevcairiel | since early mop apparently |
| 09:56.17 | VIad | I remember when you could redirect the built in support addon back in the day, I made it lookup stuff on wowhead when clicking things ingame :p |
| 09:56.35 | VIad | they fixed it a year later when the new system came out with the ingame browser |
| 09:57.39 | nevcairiel | i used to use jnwhiteh's quest comment addon, lightheaded, but these days everyhting is so straight forward to find that I had no need anymore |
| 09:57.54 | VIad | quest texts now usually even just say out right what to go do |
| 09:58.49 | VIad | remember back in vanilla when you had RP text |
| 09:59.27 | nevcairiel | I miss those days |
| 09:59.46 | VIad | long text about wildkins and suddenly 0/10 feathers, no one told you if it was a drop, or from the floor, or where in the zone :p |
| 09:59.54 | VIad | oh you are in darnassus |
| 09:59.58 | VIad | you have to go to hinterlands |
| 10:00.10 | VIad | glhf 60 min travel |
| 10:00.12 | VIad | :D |
| 10:00.21 | VIad | felt more like the old RP games I guess |
| 10:01.10 | VIad | luckily some still make similar games. I can recommend dragons dogma that came out on pc recently or stuff like divinity |
| 10:01.40 | VIad | hard to open steam to remember the name, divinity original sin |
| 10:01.54 | VIad | but steam apparently renders at 144 fps or something,because my remote desktop started to lag a lot :p |
| 10:02.48 | VIad | remote desktop should have a lag free option where it just updates at a fixed interval regardless if its video on screen or not |
| 10:03.15 | VIad | tries to compensate for animation but making an image queue and on my end I have to wait through laggy images :/ |
| 10:03.29 | VIad | nevcairiel: do you use remote desktop on win? |
| 10:04.02 | nevcairiel | only to my server which doesnt have much graphical complexity =p |
| 10:04.17 | VIad | windows works fine luckily |
| 10:04.26 | VIad | just steam acting weird :/ also hate flash ads |
| 10:04.31 | VIad | makes it lag a lot as well |
| 10:04.38 | VIad | generally animations really cripples it |
| 10:04.55 | ZorbaTHut | re: questhelper, one of the reasons I stopped was that blizzard's quest information wasn't available to the addon system. honestly, if I'd just had to maintain routing data, I probably would have kept going |
| 10:04.56 | VIad | the server is on win7 atm so maybe its better on win10 |
| 10:05.01 | ZorbaTHut | but it seemed silly to maintain my own questdb in the process |
| 10:05.35 | VIad | the whole map and quest API needs an overhaul |
| 10:05.45 | VIad | unsure how much legion overhauls that though |
| 10:06.16 | VIad | they are adding this mixin system to everything it seems, so they might, finally, fix the map/quest syste |
| 10:06.17 | ZorbaTHut | I kinda get the feeling that blizzard's opinion towards mods isn't entirely positive |
| 10:06.29 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, maybe not :V |
| 10:06.47 | VIad | if anything, the mixins seem nice as it makes it easier to understand WHAT that specific mixin is supposed to do |
| 10:06.57 | VIad | just hope it is not taint hell |
| 10:07.14 | ZorbaTHut | is there any place I can look up how these mixins work? |
| 10:11.48 | nevcairiel | they are just lua code, go read em :D |
| 10:12.48 | VIad | I just looked at karl_w_w site https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20914 |
| 10:18.36 | Torhal | VIad: That's foxlit's site. |
| 10:18.43 | VIad | oh righto |
| 10:18.50 | VIad | sorry foxlit |
| 10:18.59 | nevcairiel | i thought i wouldnt say anything |
| 10:20.13 | VIad | it's a grave enough mistake on my part, so its nice of Torhal to bring it up |
| 10:20.19 | VIad | btw https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20914/TopBannerManager.lua#41 why not table.wipe? |
| 10:21.28 | nevcairiel | if that function is only executed rarely its probably better to just throw it away, garbage doesnt matter then |
| 10:22.07 | VIad | I always table.wipe when I need to get rid of a table |
| 10:22.29 | VIad | feels cleaner |
| 10:25.32 | VIad | btw nevcairiel how do you interpret 7/2/2013 as february or july? |
| 10:25.45 | VIad | I assume the / is the giveaway its american way of writing it |
| 10:25.51 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 10:25.53 | VIad | while 7.2.2013 would be february |
| 10:25.58 | VIad | its a bit confusing :( |
| 10:26.05 | nevcairiel | blame the muricans |
| 10:26.20 | VIad | tbh I prefer YYYYMMDD order |
| 10:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | iso 8601 forever |
| 10:26.31 | VIad | makes it sortable even with string comparison :D |
| 10:26.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I think most coders prefer that :V |
| 10:27.00 | VIad | windows handles numbers as badly as it did in 95 |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | 1 |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | 2 |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | 20 |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | 3 ... |
| 10:27.16 | VIad | (guess pidgin can't send new line character) |
| 10:27.22 | ZorbaTHut | er, have you tested lately? even xp sorted numerically |
| 10:27.46 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 10:28.09 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know when exactly they added that, but it's at least a decade old now |
| 10:28.19 | VIad | ah I remember, it was a specific program :p |
| 10:28.30 | ZorbaTHut | ah yeah, it's super-common for programs to sort that way |
| 10:28.31 | VIad | file browser popup related |
| 10:31.11 | VIad | I use xnview a lot for batch stuff even if not image related |
| 10:31.13 | VIad | kind of handy tool |
| 10:31.32 | VIad | its a bit older and has sorting issues when it comes to numbers |
| 10:31.51 | Gnarfoz | irfanview is nice but has a desparate need for a major overhaul, too |
| 10:32.05 | Gnarfoz | it even requires a unicode plugin, and that doesn't even work cleanly :P |
| 10:33.10 | VIad | is it wrong to assume that programs running on linux often run better even if they are older? |
| 10:34.01 | VIad | like how pidgin uses a gtk library to make it work on windows, but it makes it a bit wonky. I am certain those issues arent there on linux. |
| 10:34.35 | VIad | maybe akin to how some wine programs dont work until there is a patch for them, though wine is actively developed and used by so many, I guess issues are quickly fixed |
| 10:34.46 | VIad | dunno if there is something wine can't handle these days |
| 10:35.10 | Gnarfoz | such assumptions are indeed a bit crazy. |
| 10:35.30 | VIad | shrug |
| 10:35.50 | Gnarfoz | considering you wouldn't have gtk on Windows if you weren't using such a program, the library is probably very stable |
| 10:36.25 | Gnarfoz | however, if you're on Linux, it seems more likely that the library will have changed versions several times since the program using it came out |
| 10:36.42 | VIad | but linux has better package management right? |
| 10:36.44 | Gnarfoz | ("library version is very stable" is what I meant) |
| 10:36.48 | Gnarfoz | "better"? |
| 10:36.54 | VIad | like, it has one :p |
| 10:36.55 | Gnarfoz | Windows doesn't have "package management" |
| 10:37.56 | VIad | wonder why not. like, android, iphones, osx, linux, all based on package management of some kind |
| 10:38.23 | VIad | windows kind of just floats away wanting to do stuff its own way |
| 10:38.42 | ZorbaTHut | does osx have built-in package management besides the app store? |
| 10:38.53 | karl_w_w | wow foxlit made a website for me? :D |
| 10:38.57 | Gnarfoz | if you count app stores, Windows does have package management |
| 10:39.45 | Gnarfoz | conversely, I wouldn't count Android and certainly not iOS as having package management |
| 10:39.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's what I'm was going to suggest; unless there's something in osx I'm unaware of, osx is about on par with windows |
| 10:40.06 | ZorbaTHut | android and ios are super-closed ecosystems; linux is a bit of an oddity because so much of the software is provided by the distribution maintainer |
| 10:40.19 | VIad | everything software has to be installed with a package of some sorts that thte system can handle, no? |
| 10:40.39 | Gnarfoz | the reason is pretty obvious, too: Windows is not a hodgepodge of 5000 programs by different distributors |
| 10:40.49 | ZorbaTHut | eh, not really. I mean classic windows installation is that a piece of software vomits files all over the place, then fails to clean them up later :V |
| 10:40.51 | Gnarfoz | no, it doesn't |
| 10:40.57 | VIad | so software is forced to package the files in some way that at least lets you cleanly track and clean it later if you uninstall. unlike how appdata folder works atm. |
| 10:41.21 | ZorbaTHut | osx does have this very elegant executable-folder system, but I don't know how many programs actually use it |
| 10:41.22 | Gnarfoz | you don't need to "install" software at all |
| 10:41.45 | VIad | I dont use a mac myself, just used it a bit and did some software installing stuff. |
| 10:44.28 | VIad | at least apps on a phone work nicely |
| 10:44.45 | VIad | most of the time it will store internal stuff in its own place and have it cleaned up when removed |
| 10:45.03 | VIad | we tbh need more of that regarding software :p |
| 10:45.31 | VIad | like how you can apt-get something you want, it has a manifest of libraries and versions required, it fetches them accordingly and stores them neatly |
| 10:45.47 | VIad | and you can later properly remove and track dependencies and useless packages and have a good cleanup routine |
| 10:45.53 | VIad | something at least not present on windows |
| 11:19.27 | Gnarfoz | that's why apt needs crazy dependency detection and conflict resolution magics, then? because it's "clean"? ^^ |
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| 11:54.40 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1454068475.png |
| 11:55.07 | VIad | nice recommendation of booties |
| 11:56.02 | VIad | I guess thats one reason using youtube to host your videos can backfire and seem inappropriate, if the next video in queue recommended is booties :p |
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| 12:05.08 | emihir0 | hi guys, where do i go about reporting bugs in wow api to blizz? basically i made a script for fun and learning purposes that when run, it will trade target and put all my gold there |
| 12:05.18 | emihir0 | it puts the gold there but you actually don't see it |
| 12:05.54 | emihir0 | so if you can make the other person run this script and you put 100g there, he will surely trade as he sees it as a free 100g.. while not realising he is trading away all his gold |
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| 12:18.05 | nevcairiel | gold trading will have an extra confirmation without addon intervention in legion, so no addon could do shenanigans there |
| 12:18.21 | nevcairiel | its not hard to just hide the value from the dialog otherwise even if it would show by default |
| 12:26.43 | VIad | nevcairiel: odd how the act of trading didnt require a hardware event |
| 12:27.02 | nevcairiel | getting a round the hardware event limitation is trivial |
| 12:27.04 | VIad | nor how trade dialog wasnt under any protection to prevent modification, or mostly, addons forcing trades :p |
| 12:27.29 | nevcairiel | just need to hook into whatever next hardware event occurs |
| 12:28.28 | VIad | hmm |
| 12:28.47 | VIad | so you can still achieve like, jump to rebuff? :p |
| 12:28.57 | VIad | well, macro conditionals cant check for states so would be spammy |
| 12:29.05 | nevcairiel | no, many things are fully protected from addon interaction |
| 12:29.16 | nevcairiel | like spell casting |
| 12:29.28 | VIad | so we should do that with trading imo |
| 12:29.43 | VIad | though there is a fine line |
| 12:29.57 | VIad | like for instance I want to have my salvage addon vendor or destroy items that I dont want |
| 12:30.01 | nevcairiel | the only relevant thing when trading is gold, and legion is getting a protected confirmation dialog |
| 12:30.06 | VIad | but on the other hand someone CAN make some code to destroy all my bags :p |
| 12:31.26 | ZorbaTHut | it's sort of ironic that the most important anti-addon protections are those that prevent addons from doing good things, not bad things |
| 12:42.48 | karl_w_w | god fucking damn |
| 12:43.47 | VIad | what, karl_w_w? |
| 12:44.31 | VIad | god fucking damn, karl_w_w |
| 12:45.01 | karl_w_w | i think im about to buy things |
| 12:45.07 | VIad | :o |
| 12:45.11 | VIad | what kind of things? |
| 12:46.44 | VIad | new gpu? |
| 12:46.48 | VIad | titan 3? |
| 12:46.50 | karl_w_w | evga gtx 980ti classified |
| 12:46.53 | VIad | :D |
| 12:47.14 | VIad | I guess it boils down to if you want food for your baby the next month, or a new gpu? |
| 12:47.28 | karl_w_w | it's almost the best model of a 980 ti and it's cheaper on newegg than almost every single other one |
| 12:48.49 | VIad | as long you have the capacity to spend some cash you won't miss or need, why not? |
| 12:49.02 | VIad | like how your wife buys that dress once a year that costs a lot but its nice! |
| 12:50.41 | karl_w_w | I wanted to hang on til new cards came out but I don't think I can :P |
| 12:56.40 | VIad | get like |
| 12:56.53 | VIad | those fancy 5 sli setups |
| 12:56.58 | Gnarfoz | *4 |
| 12:57.02 | VIad | :p |
| 12:57.13 | Gnarfoz | literally don't listen to any suggestions VIad makes :P |
| 12:57.19 | VIad | GET 5 |
| 12:57.21 | VIad | 1 spare |
| 12:57.22 | VIad | in case |
| 12:57.28 | VIad | its not like money is an issue |
| 12:57.34 | Gnarfoz | get 4 SLI and add more crossfire |
| 12:57.43 | VIad | :D |
| 12:58.18 | emihir0 | why is TargetUnit a protected function? |
| 12:58.30 | emihir0 | i would understand if it is a hardware function, but why protected :o |
| 12:58.32 | VIad | so you cant target stuff automatically |
| 12:58.39 | Gnarfoz | rather obvious, isn't it |
| 12:58.46 | VIad | so you can't "press space to target who to heal next" |
| 12:58.53 | VIad | or who to kill next, e.g. |
| 12:58.53 | emihir0 | hmm |
| 12:58.56 | emihir0 | ok |
| 12:59.39 | emihir0 | makes sense |
| 13:00.01 | Gnarfoz | you seem to be playing catch-up of the last 12 years of WoW addon evolution |
| 13:00.21 | emihir0 | i started having a look at wow api/lua like 3 days ago :P |
| 13:02.58 | Gnarfoz | well, you're late to the party! luckily, there's still enough beer around |
| 13:03.24 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't quite taste like it used to |
| 13:03.31 | emihir0 | :P |
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| 13:19.35 | karl_w_w | and through the beauty of time zones my order was at 5am instead of 9pm |
| 13:19.47 | karl_w_w | which can make a big difference, it being friday |
| 13:23.39 | karl_w_w | imagine if they get it on a plane today, that's the dream right there |
| 13:23.47 | karl_w_w | then I'd have it in time for the 3rd :P |
| 13:39.18 | emihir0 | how would one go about visually changing how much gold is being displayed in the inventory? e.g. to goldcap |
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| 13:51.56 | VIad | you mean the old /run SILVER_IN_GOLD = 10000 and then "lol" when everything costs 100 times more? |
| 13:54.07 | VIad | emihir0: not sure what you try to achieve :p |
| 13:54.42 | emihir0 | i was thinking more along the lines function GetMoney() return <arbitrary number> end |
| 13:55.02 | emihir0 | but that makes the function GetMoney() not work for other addons and stuff |
| 13:55.04 | emihir0 | till reload |
| 13:55.30 | VIad | thats normal |
| 13:55.42 | VIad | you shouldnt override the global api :p |
| 13:55.45 | VIad | or you break stuff |
| 13:55.54 | VIad | if you want to specifically target your bag gold |
| 13:56.04 | VIad | look at the blizz code for an angle of attack https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20444/MoneyFrame.lua#311 |
| 13:56.43 | VIad | they rely on COPPER_PER_SILVER and SILVER_PER_GOLD globals, those you can temporarily change from 100 to something else, for fun. and set it back later. would affect all gold everywhere ofc. |
| 13:57.06 | VIad | or you could hookfunction("MoneyFrame_Update", function(frameName,money,forceShow)end) and add your own logic |
| 13:57.18 | VIad | it would run after the original api runs |
| 14:00.01 | emihir0 | oki |
| 14:00.08 | emihir0 | i'll have a look into it, thanks =) |
| 14:02.06 | VIad | :p |
| 14:02.13 | VIad | I said it last time, look at that site |
| 14:02.17 | VIad | you can browse the different files |
| 14:02.22 | VIad | you can /fstack ingame and mouse over things |
| 14:02.31 | VIad | usually says the name of the frame and gives you an idea what file to look for |
| 14:02.43 | VIad | can also download it all and search all the files locally for specific api or frames, e.g. |
| 14:15.23 | emihir0 | ok, that's great, thanks |
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| 14:15.38 | emihir0 | i have a quick question: when you have a user name in format name-server, so like emihiro-outland |
| 14:15.50 | emihir0 | what's the best way to remove the server appendix? so it ends up being only emihiro |
| 14:16.11 | emihir0 | i know there is for example string.gsub |
| 14:17.00 | emihir0 | hmm or maybe appending server name to the name i'm comparing with would be easier |
| 14:17.55 | Gnarfoz | isn't that what ambiguate() is for? |
| 14:18.03 | Gnarfoz | or is that something an addon provides |
| 14:18.52 | VIad | didnt appear on wowpedia |
| 14:20.07 | VIad | again emihir0 |
| 14:20.08 | VIad | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20444/UnitFrame.lua#731 |
| 14:20.21 | VIad | wow handles showing unit names and such in the built in ui |
| 14:20.34 | Rythal | Anyone use IRC for Slack, and how well does it work? :) |
| 14:21.49 | VIad | now you have another api for realm stuff but cant remember atm |
| 14:21.52 | Gnarfoz | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/Ambiguate |
| 14:21.55 | VIad | explain what you try to do |
| 14:22.27 | VIad | Gnarfoz: UnitNameAmbiguate would be more explanatory |
| 14:22.33 | VIad | just ambiguate is weird :p |
| 14:22.53 | VIad | I kind of like how they now put stuff in tables |
| 14:22.58 | VIad | C_Stuff |
| 14:23.01 | Gnarfoz | don't tell me |
| 14:23.11 | VIad | you don't like C_Stuff? |
| 14:23.17 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 14:23.36 | emihir0 | Ambiguate works perfectly |
| 14:23.38 | emihir0 | thanks @Gnarfoz |
| 14:25.30 | emihir0 | @VIad what was the function to close (hide) a blizzard UI frame? |
| 14:25.46 | emihir0 | you told it to me yesterday when i was closing the achievs comparison frame |
| 14:29.03 | emihir0 | ok seems like /script MyFrame:Hide() is different way of doing it |
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| 14:35.01 | Maldivia | emihir0: HideUIPanel(frame) ? |
| 14:35.10 | Maldivia | but yeah, frame:Hide() works usually :) |
| 14:35.19 | emihir0 | is there any difference between the 2? |
| 14:37.12 | VIad | emihir0: depends, if its a panel the game will try to have some funky organization system going |
| 14:37.15 | Maldivia | HideUIPanel does a few extra things as well |
| 14:37.23 | VIad | if you open two windows, close one, it moves windows to the left |
| 14:37.29 | VIad | open character and dungeon finder |
| 14:37.41 | VIad | you will see the dungeon finder move from the middle to the left if you close character |
| 14:37.51 | VIad | thats what the whole ShowHideUIPanel thing is for |
| 14:38.06 | VIad | if you just :Hide youd end up with frames floating and not moving to close |
| 14:38.24 | VIad | reason I used HideUIPanel on the achievement frame is because they used ShowUIPanel to show it |
| 14:38.34 | emihir0 | ah |
| 14:38.35 | emihir0 | i see |
| 14:38.39 | emihir0 | thanks for the explanation |
| 14:39.05 | VIad | for real you shouldn't listen to what I say |
| 14:39.11 | VIad | ask Gnarfoz instead |
| 14:45.55 | kullervo | he figured it out anyway, don't devalue your advise |
| 15:42.14 | Semlar | go to sleep |
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| 15:43.30 | kullervo | who? |
| 15:43.46 | Semlar | everyone |
| 15:44.16 | kullervo | I wish I could, but nah work work |
| 15:54.48 | Semlar | alright fine i'll do it myself |
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| 16:14.16 | zenzelezz | "Just saw CSI:Cyber pilot episode. Looks realistic, they spent the whole 40 minutes just looking through Stack Overflow" |
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| 16:53.16 | zenzelezz | I love when people find clever, but technically correct, ways to say things... like "you will intersect the ground in uncontrolled flight" for "crash landing" |
| 16:53.32 | zenzelezz | or really more just "crash", no landing |
| 17:05.05 | fewyn | let's hope this doesn't turn out horrible... i'm trying to make an "italian" chili (using italian sausages instead of ground beef) |
| 17:05.43 | zenzelezz | I'm not very good with food, but aren't chili and sausages rather different types of food? |
| 17:06.01 | zenzelezz | uhm, nevermind... my fever is impairing my reading skills |
| 17:07.47 | fewyn | i removed the cases off the sausages |
| 17:11.18 | mckenziemc | intersects a wrecking ball with zenzelezz's living quarters. |
| 17:12.36 | zenzelezz | that would save me some time in cleaning |
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| 17:42.06 | zenzelezz | remember the old disagreement over whether it should be "sholomance" or "skolomance"? Seeing the same thing in World of Tanks, with a tank called ST-I ("ST-aye" or "ST-one") and another called "O-I". People simply can't agree |
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| 17:43.45 | karl_w_w | TIL Rosewill is a Newegg brand |
| 17:45.17 | Semlar | gently pats karl_w_w |
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| 17:49.30 | Iriel | karl_w_w: did you learn that because of the fun and games around patent trolling? |
| 18:08.22 | karl_w_w | no |
| 18:19.11 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAKW2iCa35g&t=4m30s#t=4m30s |
| 18:31.24 | VIad | karl_w_w: oh baby, a tripple! |
| 18:32.19 | mikma | https://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/259512/marvel-heroes-2016-1-00-patch-notes |
| 18:32.22 | mikma | WOOHOO! |
| 18:33.06 | VIad | mikma: their cert is vulnerable to heartbleed |
| 18:34.41 | mikma | viad: yes |
| 18:34.47 | VIad | sorry :< |
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| 21:35.17 | zenzelezz | https://blog.linode.com/2016/01/29/christmas-ddos-retrospective/ interesting |
| 21:53.59 | kullervo | does someone know if I can launch wow with custom config through some argument? |
| 21:55.37 | nevcairiel | kullervo: -config <file>, only wtf\config.wtf is replaced by that |
| 21:55.50 | nevcairiel | no idea if it still works, used to years ago |
| 22:08.43 | zenzelezz | every now and then I end up downloading Planetside 2 again, playing a few games, then uninstalling. It's like I really want to like it, but it just doesn't happen |
| 22:08.50 | zenzelezz | or I'm just very good at forgetting why I stopped before |
| 22:19.20 | zenzelezz | "SC2VN is a visual novel about the South Korean StarCraft 2 scene, You play as Mach, a foreign semi-pro trying to make it in eSports who soon learns that success in Starcraft takes more than in-game strategy" o_O Apparently has Very Positive reviews |
| 22:21.46 | nevcairiel | from asians? |
| 22:25.16 | zenzelezz | didn't check |
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| 23:02.38 | zenzelezz | sometimes I wonder what reasoning people used when they designed systems. "Hey guys, what size integer should we use for the ID field?" "16 ought to be enough" |
| 23:03.09 | zenzelezz | cue one part of the system thinking I'm 37315, the other -28221, giving some not quite intended results |
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| 23:26.45 | relaxok | zenzelezz: "we'll never need more than [x]" |
| 23:26.55 | relaxok | until you do |
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| 23:31.08 | zenzelezz | indeed |
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