| 00:00.07 | Semlar2 | i'm writing my next addon 100% in xml |
| 00:00.29 | mckenziemc | Semlar3.xml? |
| 00:00.32 | emihir0 | @Primer the only reason why i used .xml file is because every guide on making first addon had it... |
| 00:00.43 | Semlar2 | o.o |
| 00:01.25 | Primer | Surely not _every_ guide |
| 00:01.53 | Semlar2 | considering how much authors hate xml |
| 00:02.04 | emihir0 | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Getting_started_with_writing_AddOns |
| 00:02.28 | emihir0 | that's the one i used anyway |
| 00:04.17 | emihir0 | if i may ask guys, what are your main addon projects that you work/worked on? just curious |
| 00:04.39 | mckenziemc | trolling #wowuidev |
| 00:04.47 | emihir0 | ^_^ |
| 00:04.51 | mckenziemc | though i did write an addon once :o |
| 00:05.49 | Semlar2 | gnomesequencer |
| 00:06.05 | nevcairiel | is that the only one you ever released |
| 00:06.10 | Semlar2 | maybe |
| 00:06.21 | Semlar2 | i have.. addons.. |
| 00:06.30 | Semlar2 | >_> |
| 00:06.47 | mckenziemc | more like subtractoffs? |
| 00:07.14 | kullervo | more like... what addons do you NOT maintain? |
| 00:07.54 | Semlar2 | bro you got to maintain |
| 00:07.56 | emihir0 | btw i was wondering earlier... are stuff like: /run for i = 1, 100 do RandomRoll(1, 100) end; allowed? |
| 00:08.23 | Semlar2 | allowed? |
| 00:08.29 | emihir0 | as in, not against TOS |
| 00:08.48 | Semlar2 | well it would probably be spamming |
| 00:09.32 | emihir0 | i mean back in the day when pugs had "highest roll wins" rules... this would be quite fun (or dickmove, depends on perspective) |
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| 00:10.12 | kullervo | two results: Spam report, and removed from group |
| 00:10.42 | emihir0 | what about stuff with delayed action - like C_Timer.After(someTime, function() SendMessage("hello world") end); |
| 00:11.11 | emihir0 | i thought that any input has to result in immediate action according to TOS... |
| 00:11.32 | Constie | I made http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23276-Singularity.html, which is actually pretty good aside from the bug that makes it break on some raid boss fights that I guess I haven't taken the trouble to fix in almost a year now. |
| 00:12.02 | nevcairiel | the addon tos doesnt have that specific rules, it just says that your addon should have no negative impact on the players or any other players gaming experience, so spamming could certainly be considered part of that :p |
| 00:13.18 | emihir0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.13 | emihir0 | @nevcairiel well yes, but this was more along the lines of macro rather than addon and if i were blizz i'd say this borderlines with automation (ie. you setup your char to do something simple in 30 mins because you'll be afk) |
| 00:14.25 | emihir0 | but on the other hand... they allow the syntax, so i'm conflicted on what to think of it :D |
| 00:14.30 | Semlar2 | nothing you do with an addon can be considered automation |
| 00:14.35 | nevcairiel | you cant automate anything meaningful |
| 00:14.42 | nevcairiel | you can surely spam the chat automatically |
| 00:14.51 | nevcairiel | but thats just going to get you reported for spamming and nothing else :p |
| 00:15.00 | emihir0 | you can automate not going afk |
| 00:15.00 | Semlar2 | but that's not specific to addons, that's just the general ToS |
| 00:15.38 | nevcairiel | i dont think an addon can easily disrupt the afk timer |
| 00:15.42 | Semlar2 | what i mean is nothing you can do with an addon falls under their automation policy |
| 00:15.50 | emihir0 | when you say stuff in chat it distrupts the afk timer |
| 00:16.00 | nevcairiel | key being "you" |
| 00:16.53 | nevcairiel | as in i doubt an addon writing to chat will have the same effect |
| 00:16.56 | emihir0 | well i know chatting will distrupt the timer, and haven't tested if it is any different than if the message comes from a script |
| 00:17.14 | emihir0 | what about party invite or doing /who? those kinda stuff might disrupt it |
| 00:17.19 | Semlar2 | it can clear the afk tag but i'm almost positive you'll still get kicked off the server |
| 00:17.33 | Semlar2 | regardless, i don't think that's a very big deal |
| 00:17.58 | nevcairiel | as a general rule: if you have to ask yourself if what you are doing is wrong - don't do it |
| 00:17.59 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 00:18.07 | Semlar2 | >_> |
| 00:18.16 | emihir0 | well sometimes i smelt like 10 000 bars which takes like 6 hours... ideal "overnight" job, only if the client wouldn't kick me off after 30 mins of afk crafting :P |
| 00:18.20 | nevcairiel | that goes for Semlar's too! |
| 00:18.32 | Semlar2 | <_< |
| 00:18.39 | emihir0 | >_< |
| 00:19.16 | Semlar2 | the server disconnects you while you're actively smelting? |
| 00:19.26 | emihir0 | yes |
| 00:19.35 | emihir0 | you go to afk mode while crafting, it's kinda retarded |
| 00:20.04 | nevcairiel | you go afk when there is no user input, no matter what your character is doing |
| 00:20.25 | Semlar2 | that's when you put your cat on the keyboard |
| 00:20.50 | emihir0 | i understand that when there is no user input that you should get afk status after a while and maybe disconnect |
| 00:20.54 | nevcairiel | thats really the entire definition of afk, the user has to be present, not your character busy doing something =p |
| 00:21.03 | emihir0 | but cmon, crafting should be an exception |
| 00:21.16 | emihir0 | the literal activity of crafting is that you cannot do anything else during that time other than chat |
| 00:21.32 | Semlar2 | well, 6 hours of crafting might be an outlier |
| 00:21.51 | emihir0 | well yeah, so it wouldn't hurt if they implemented it |
| 00:21.55 | emihir0 | it's not like it's gonna get abused |
| 00:22.03 | kd3 | you say that... |
| 00:22.07 | emihir0 | :P :P |
| 00:22.22 | nevcairiel | i dont think they consider crafting for over 30 minutes to fill one afk timer to be any sort of valid use case |
| 00:22.50 | Semlar2 | how do you even do that, you'd need like 500 inventory slots |
| 00:23.06 | Constie | Very patiently. |
| 00:23.11 | emihir0 | stacks of 200 |
| 00:23.32 | Semlar2 | bars stack to 200 now? |
| 00:23.35 | emihir0 | yep |
| 00:24.12 | emihir0 | they could solve it and make the whole community very happy by making crafting time exponentially smaller the more crafts you set to do |
| 00:25.00 | nevcairiel | they should make it like diablo3 crafting, one cast for as many as you requested |
| 00:25.00 | Semlar2 | in diablo they just made it so it takes the same amount of time to craft any number of items |
| 00:25.21 | nevcairiel | but there is plenty of unanswered questions about crafting in legion, so maybe we'll get something |
| 00:25.26 | Semlar2 | they should just turn wow into diablo |
| 00:25.27 | emihir0 | making it instant doesnt seem right, but this expansion some crafts require like 300 of some material... that's 7.5 min of crafting for 1 craft along... fk that Q_Q |
| 00:25.56 | emihir0 | alone* |
| 00:27.51 | emihir0 | for me a system where 1-10 crafts = 1.5s, 10-50 = 1s 50-100 = 0.75, 100-500 = 0.5, 500-2000 = 0.25, 2000+ = 0.1s would make more sense than for 1 item or 100 items to take the same amount of time to craft |
| 00:28.19 | emihir0 | simply make a stackable buff that with every craft you speedup your crafting (so you can craft different stuff too) |
| 00:28.48 | Constie | I finally made the last hexweave bag for my bank slots the other week, so I'm done crafting until Legion. |
| 00:29.55 | emihir0 | are any of you from EU btw? |
| 00:30.16 | Constie | Semlar2 is. |
| 00:31.14 | emihir0 | haha |
| 00:31.31 | emihir0 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VypDr1ZPamr57c-nx_V0o0F7xZ2OgNt7txoYfQmV_iU/edit#gid=0 says he is from US tho |
| 00:33.39 | Semlar | that's because constie isn't very nice |
| 00:33.56 | nevcairiel | great someone broke the grouped sorting on the spreadsheet again |
| 00:34.37 | emihir0 | @nevcairiel what EU serv do you play on? |
| 00:35.53 | Semlar | spreadsheets are hard nevcairiel |
| 00:36.29 | nevcairiel | emihir0: zirkel des cenarius, DE region =p |
| 00:36.54 | Semlar | now you're just making up words |
| 00:37.12 | emihir0 | i know most of the servers... but i never even heard of that one |
| 00:37.51 | nevcairiel | like i said, its from the german pool, why would an english person know those |
| 00:38.03 | emihir0 | i like making gold |
| 00:38.12 | emihir0 | i used to play on 2-3 german servers |
| 00:38.45 | emihir0 | aegwyn, antonidas i remember, cant recall the last one |
| 00:39.42 | Torhal | feeds Semlar2 to Constie. |
| 00:40.56 | Semlar | :( |
| 00:41.30 | emihir0 | is Semlar and Semlar2 the same guy? |
| 00:41.45 | nevcairiel | i hope so, one of them is enough trouble |
| 00:42.02 | Semlar | me too |
| 00:42.14 | emihir0 | i see |
| 00:42.18 | emihir0 | semlar are you US or EU? |
| 00:42.31 | Semlar | US |
| 00:42.41 | emihir0 | oki |
| 00:43.22 | Semlar | not that i even have an active account |
| 00:43.52 | emihir0 | why is that |
| 00:44.07 | emihir0 | i mean ofc the game is boring now, i returned 2 months ago... and have nothing to do for last 5 weeks |
| 00:44.17 | emihir0 | but i'd think you'd play when you are in this chat and all |
| 00:44.34 | Semlar | i think you'd be surprised how many people in here don't play the game |
| 00:45.59 | emihir0 | hmm i see |
| 00:46.33 | Torhal | Hell, Neffi doesn't even have a computer! |
| 00:46.43 | Semlar | i raid, and once we cleared heroic i didn't want to continue doing mythic until legion |
| 00:46.49 | Neffi | :/ |
| 00:47.03 | nevcairiel | what did neffi do to his |
| 00:47.09 | emihir0 | i always had trouble finding a normal pve guild... so i stuck with being a lone AH wolf :P |
| 00:47.47 | Neffi | my laptop is just a pos, nev. he's toying with me because I'm waiting to build my next machine :/ |
| 00:47.48 | pompy | dafuq http://nzxt.co/201rlTU |
| 00:48.00 | Neffi | been waiting on customs forever |
| 00:48.13 | Semlar | are you smuggling drugs neffi |
| 00:48.16 | nevcairiel | importing hardware seems a b it extreme |
| 00:48.40 | Torhal | The chassis is fashioned from cocaine. |
| 00:48.43 | nevcairiel | pompy: weirdly shaped micro cases are the new shit |
| 00:48.49 | Semlar | is this like Up in Smoke |
| 00:48.49 | Neffi | its a case. small company, and the OEM is lian li, so it imports direct to buyer from Taiwan |
| 00:49.43 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure most of my computer parts came from china and i didn't have to import them directly |
| 00:49.54 | Torhal | pompy: https://www.google.com/search?q=alienware+area+51+case&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4yvbq4sjKAhWHYyYKHSs3CcAQsAQIHA&biw=1276&bih=1322 |
| 00:50.08 | Torhal | When those started showing up in the office, I WTFd hard. |
| 00:50.21 | Neffi | shrugs at Semlar |
| 00:50.22 | Semlar | i did have an antenna shipped from china once and it took like a month to get here |
| 00:50.23 | nevcairiel | people in your office actually use those? |
| 00:50.34 | Torhal | Neffi: Dev machines. |
| 00:50.44 | Torhal | Apparently they're cheap to lease or something. |
| 00:50.45 | Neffi | those are awful |
| 00:50.58 | nevcairiel | i would think there must be a cheaper option than alienware =p |
| 00:51.16 | Torhal | We have some kind of enterprise contract with Dell, so... no clue. |
| 00:51.25 | Neffi | who cares about the price. its so ugly. its a crime against nature. |
| 00:51.27 | pompy | Torhal: crazy shit |
| 00:51.32 | Torhal | pompy: Indeed. |
| 00:51.46 | Semlar | it's not ugly neffi, it's different |
| 00:51.47 | nevcairiel | dell also produces actual workstation boxes that come in ordinary shapes |
| 00:52.04 | Neffi | those two things are not exclusive Semlar |
| 00:52.11 | Semlar | EVERYTHING IS BEAUTIFUL IN ITS OWN WAY |
| 00:52.15 | Neffi | NO |
| 00:52.19 | Semlar | except maybe fisker |
| 00:52.23 | Neffi | That's just what ugly people tell each other |
| 00:52.52 | Semlar | and that other guy |
| 00:52.56 | Torhal | Neffi: Are you saying that Semlar climbed the ugly tree and fell, hitting every branch on the way down? |
| 00:53.05 | Semlar | wow rude |
| 00:53.29 | Neffi | hey Semlar, I'm sad. the mechanical keyboard I want which is so beautiful is made with inferior parts, leaving me to purchase a less good lucky but higher quality option |
| 00:53.40 | Neffi | now my desk will be 30% less sexy |
| 00:53.42 | Semlar | my keyboard was $2 and it was from goodwill |
| 00:53.55 | Torhal | "a less good lucky" <-- Neffi on drugs confirmed. |
| 00:54.03 | Neffi | D: |
| 00:54.40 | Neffi | go big or go home Semlar |
| 00:54.46 | Semlar | that's what she said |
| 00:55.02 | Torhal | I was typing that, Semlar. Way to be rude. |
| 00:55.53 | Semlar | i'm sorry torhal i should have considered your feelings |
| 00:56.24 | Torhal | Well, you failed again by refusing to use your shift and punctuation keys. |
| 00:56.25 | Semlar | wow these computer wedges are like $3000 |
| 00:56.25 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:57.17 | Semlar | i take the same approach to grammar and punctuation as i do to scripting languages |
| 00:57.50 | kd3 | thanks Stanzilla |
| 00:59.50 | Stanzilla | : ) |
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| 03:11.21 | Simca_ | preventing the client from kicking you is trivial, you don't even need scripting for it |
| 03:11.34 | Simca_ | i do it by accident sometimes because i run into walls all the time and then forget i'm playing |
| 03:11.58 | Simca_ | if your character's movement is such that it slides and then moves forwards again, it prevents you from going afk |
| 03:12.15 | Simca_ | so some walls at certain angles you don't go afk running into |
| 03:13.40 | Simca_ | (there are also several ways to do it with the addon API as well, but I don't remember any off the top of my head) |
| 03:14.37 | Simca_ | (blizzard has never cracked down on fixing those cases because it's not like staying connected to the server is malicious) |
| 03:20.14 | pompy | Simca_: i just alttab while teleporting |
| 03:20.36 | Simca_ | right right |
| 03:20.41 | pompy | and then get sidetracked! |
| 03:20.41 | Simca_ | i forgot about that one |
| 03:21.10 | Simca_ | that bug has been around since wrath or cata |
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| 03:27.03 | Amarande | Simca_: that one is why I always play in windowed fullscreen and never in true fullscreen |
| 03:27.16 | Amarande | apparently that has to do with disconnecting people who minimise wow |
| 03:27.36 | Amarande | supposedly it's working as intended :S |
| 03:27.58 | Amarande | and of course, alt-tabbing from true fullscreen minimises the game, because of the shitty archaic way windows handles fullscreen games |
| 03:33.25 | Mr_Rabies | really depends on the game |
| 03:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | lots of games will run fine in the background with no issues |
| 03:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | in fullscreen mode |
| 03:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | but wow definitely does not |
| 03:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | it does just about everything but loading okay |
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| 04:07.55 | Semlar | neffi did you break wowinterface |
| 04:08.13 | Neffi | yes |
| 04:08.17 | Neffi | now goto slep |
| 04:08.39 | Semlar | can't sleep clown will eat me |
| 04:09.45 | Neffi | no its ok |
| 04:09.48 | Neffi | clown is full |
| 04:09.56 | Neffi | already ate plenty |
| 04:09.59 | Neffi | nighty night |
| 04:11.52 | Torhal | places Semlar into stasis. |
| 04:13.51 | Semlar | ._. |
| 04:14.19 | mckenziemc | accidentally pulls Torhal's RESET line low. |
| 04:14.44 | tz | probably want that high, tbh |
| 04:14.46 | Torhal | subsequently launches Semlar's stasis pod into the sun. |
| 04:14.49 | tz | unless it's an NRESET |
| 04:14.53 | Torhal | Thanks, mckenziemc. |
| 04:16.46 | mckenziemc | programs tz's RSTDISBL fuse. |
| 04:17.19 | tz | recovers with HVSP |
| 04:18.11 | tz | hmm, wonder where my dragon is |
| 04:19.09 | mckenziemc | :o |
| 04:22.24 | mckenziemc | as far as i can tell there's no way to reprogram an ATmega after programming that fuse unless the bootloader on it supports reprogramming :o |
| 04:23.31 | mckenziemc | atmel's manual for the ATmega328P doesn't properly clarify that :( |
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| 04:42.29 | tz | http://www.atmel.com/webdoc/avrdragon/avrdragon.SCKT3200A2.html |
| 04:42.38 | tz | HVSP connection diagram for 328P |
| 04:43.14 | tz | or, rather, HVPP |
| 04:45.16 | mckenziemc | the manual's explanations of the relevant systems suggest that RSTDISBL always applies and would prevent programming |
| 04:45.26 | mckenziemc | i was just curious about it, i don't have a dead chip |
| 04:45.47 | mckenziemc | and i'm in the process of checking if the manual is any different in those areas for the ATtinys |
| 04:46.13 | tz | the tiny's use HVSP because of the pin count, but same applies I'd imagine |
| 04:48.11 | mckenziemc | i wish i did have a spare chip i could test with though; either way, some part of the manual is missing information that should be explicit |
| 04:49.00 | tz | I've got like 20 spare 328P's on my desk, lol |
| 04:49.27 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 04:49.46 | tz | and about the same number of 32U4's *shrug* |
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| 04:57.25 | mckenziemc | given that http://www.instructables.com/id/AVR-Attiny-fusebit-doctor-HVSP/ implies that works and comparing the manuals, it looks like the reset and fuse sections of the manuals just omit saying that RSTDISBL doesn't take effect until some time after a power-on reset |
| 05:04.20 | kd3 | whee, the auto-birthday-email-spam has begun |
| 05:12.52 | tz | hmm, that reminds me, I need to get more pogo pins |
| 05:16.41 | kd3 | this is just... heartbreaking: http://i.imgur.com/OMQX53n.jpg |
| 05:17.53 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 05:17.55 | Fisker | HAPPY BIRTHDAY |
| 05:18.00 | kd3 | thanks! |
| 05:18.03 | Fisker | If you know what I mean |
| 05:23.01 | mckenziemc | tests Fisker for lead. |
| 05:26.38 | Mr_Rabies | happy birthday from the dubstep forums, kd3 |
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| 05:50.16 | mckenziemc | it could be worse kd3: you could have a week-long birthday like Torhal. |
| 05:50.24 | mckenziemc | Shirik's working toward that too |
| 06:00.03 | Trela | Torhal: What is the point of "Confirm solves near the skill cap" in Archy? O_o A solve is usually less than the 25 points it triggers. |
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| 07:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me, i hope they either improve or remove all the secondary professions in Legion, they're all awful and have been for years |
| 07:27.45 | Trela | Like archeology. |
| 07:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | absolutely |
| 07:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | first aid has been useless for like 3 expansions, fishing is tedious and sucks |
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| 08:51.49 | VIad | tonight I got like 6 hours of sleep, and feel better than what I usually manage with 8... :/ |
| 08:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm usually the same, it seems 1.5ish hour increments work better than others, though it could just be confirmation bias |
| 09:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | like i'd feel better either sleeping 7.5 or 9 hours than 8 for some reason |
| 09:05.40 | VIad | wish my body would just tell me what to do to sleep better |
| 09:08.41 | VIad | "but your body already tells you, if you just listen" no I mean like a literal voice "dont eat that fool, we gon sleep like shit later" or "bed time now if you want to feel good at 7am" |
| 09:12.46 | karl_w_w | huh, a pizza place with the street number 420 |
| 09:12.49 | karl_w_w | seems perfect |
| 09:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | they probably get tons of business |
| 09:15.35 | Mr_Rabies | from this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shCYA2J-De8 |
| 10:12.37 | mitch0 | what's with 4:20? |
| 10:12.46 | VIad | 42 |
| 10:13.04 | mitch0 | 42 is 42, not 4:20, or 420... |
| 10:13.04 | VIad | the meaning of life |
| 10:13.15 | mitch0 | meh, kids these days... |
| 10:13.20 | VIad | shrug |
| 10:13.27 | VIad | dunno what else karl_w_w and Mr_Rabies meant :p |
| 10:13.33 | VIad | maybe blazeit |
| 10:13.35 | VIad | 420 |
| 10:13.58 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: I demand an explanation NOW! |
| 10:14.06 | VIad | blazeit |
| 10:14.10 | VIad | mlg plays |
| 10:14.42 | VIad | seems 420 is also a reference to weed |
| 10:15.01 | VIad | maybe the pizza joint sells... joint |
| 10:15.19 | VIad | karl_w_w just wanted to duck the radar |
| 10:15.48 | karl_w_w | 420 refers to the marijuanas |
| 10:16.08 | mitch0 | hm |
| 10:16.25 | karl_w_w | it came about because 4:20 is a time the kids are home from school but the parents are not so it's a good time to start injecting the marijuanas |
| 10:16.55 | VIad | not involved in any drug culture so dont know the terms and such |
| 10:17.15 | karl_w_w | the pizza plays into that because I hear injecting the marijuanas can cause "The Munchies" which is a horrible side effect treated with food |
| 10:18.00 | karl_w_w | neither am I but I still know terms and such :P |
| 10:18.37 | VIad | sounds like an excuse someone portraying not being involved with drugs, would use |
| 10:18.48 | mitch0 | hm again. I just wasted 5 mins of my life researching this stuff |
| 10:18.58 | Gnarfoz | "injecting", right :D |
| 10:22.44 | karl_w_w | if I delete the dalvik cache while my phone is on will it exploderize? |
| 10:23.21 | nevcairiel | you cant exactly delete it when its off, can you |
| 10:24.03 | karl_w_w | don't know, but I'm sure you can delete it from the boot menu |
| 10:24.30 | karl_w_w | recovery mode |
| 10:27.25 | mitch0 | so delete it from there. |
| 10:27.43 | karl_w_w | but if I do that it'll just rebuild on boot :P |
| 10:29.17 | mitch0 | ain't the compiled art stuff is stored there nowadays? |
| 10:29.36 | mitch0 | (that is: you sorta need that stuff for your phone to work) |
| 10:29.37 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 10:29.42 | Gnarfoz | it'll just rebuild it all |
| 10:30.00 | Gnarfoz | "Android is upgrading..." yo |
| 10:31.05 | karl_w_w | yes but I need space on my phone to do a backup and that stuff doesnt get backed up :P |
| 10:31.36 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 10:32.00 | Gnarfoz | so how are you going to do the backup |
| 10:32.04 | mitch0 | look around, you might have remainders of previous failed backups laying around there |
| 10:32.16 | Gnarfoz | also wtf start somewhere else! :p |
| 10:32.30 | Gnarfoz | (and yes that stuff gets backed up when you do a nandroid backup?!) |
| 10:32.33 | karl_w_w | I have started everywhere else :P |
| 10:32.45 | Gnarfoz | how can you not have enough space, put the backup on your sd card |
| 10:32.51 | karl_w_w | no sd card |
| 10:32.55 | karl_w_w | nexus 4 |
| 10:33.04 | Gnarfoz | I forgot for a minute that people are dumb and buy phones without them. :P |
| 10:33.10 | Gnarfoz | this is why! |
| 10:33.11 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 10:33.15 | mitch0 | uninstall hearthstone, that gobs up around 3GB :) |
| 10:33.20 | karl_w_w | most phones dont have one |
| 10:33.26 | Gnarfoz | that's why most phones are terrible. |
| 10:33.28 | karl_w_w | hah, hearthstone is long uninstalled |
| 10:33.53 | mitch0 | btw, anyone else having constant disconnect issues with the HS movile client? |
| 10:34.00 | mitch0 | mobile even |
| 10:34.18 | Gnarfoz | 5315 out of 7333 phones listed on gsmarena have an sd card slot |
| 10:34.24 | Gnarfoz | that is not "most phones don't have it" |
| 10:34.44 | karl_w_w | lots of older phones on gsmarena |
| 10:35.01 | nevcairiel | yeah sd slots on newer phones are getting somewhat rare |
| 10:35.09 | Gnarfoz | the picture doesn't change when I start at 2010 |
| 10:35.10 | karl_w_w | limit it to decent phones in the last couple of years and I'm sure the ratio drops a lot |
| 10:35.27 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: and 2010 isnt "older" to you? :D |
| 10:35.32 | Gnarfoz | as evidenced right now, "without sd card slot" doesn't qualify as "decent" |
| 10:35.52 | nevcairiel | i n ever missed the sd card in my phones |
| 10:35.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not when the slider starts at 2001 :D |
| 10:35.57 | karl_w_w | I challenge you to find a decent phone then :P |
| 10:36.06 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: it doesn't exist, which is why I'm still on my S4 |
| 10:36.27 | nevcairiel | the S7 may have a SD slot again, or so the rumor mill says |
| 10:36.33 | Gnarfoz | well, if you omit "CM chances > 0%", Xperia Z5 compact is good |
| 10:36.38 | Gnarfoz | (or is it mini? the small one, anyway) |
| 10:37.27 | Gnarfoz | replaceable battery, sd card slot, small enough to use one-handed, chipset that has at least some chance of allowing custom roms (so, no MediaTek, no HiSilicon, etc; best bet: Qualcomm) |
| 10:37.52 | Gnarfoz | that's... a small crop these days :( |
| 10:38.45 | nevcairiel | at least replaceable battery is not going to come back on high-end phones |
| 10:38.50 | nevcairiel | just get over it |
| 10:39.27 | Kalroth | QQ |
| 10:39.48 | Gnarfoz | LG has it, so hope is not lost, yet |
| 10:40.44 | Gnarfoz | if they'd at least use that to get in as much battery capacity as possible... but no, they just want to make unusably thin phones, for whatever crazy reason :P |
| 10:41.11 | Gnarfoz | btw, 1434 out of 1581 starting with 2014... |
| 10:41.38 | Gnarfoz | "no sd card slot" is definitely a minority :O |
| 10:41.54 | nevcairiel | low end phones probably still have them, because they are bulky anyway |
| 10:42.07 | Gnarfoz | way ahead of you |
| 10:42.16 | Gnarfoz | (also "bulky"? what has that got do with anything) |
| 10:42.23 | nevcairiel | easy to hide the slot |
| 10:42.25 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:42.26 | Gnarfoz | 335/436 >200⬠>2014 |
| 10:42.43 | Gnarfoz | it's not like it's bigger than the SIM card tray, which you have to have unless you're Verizon |
| 10:42.56 | nevcairiel | if that would be the case, why is it so hard for you to find one with a sd slot? :d |
| 10:43.07 | Gnarfoz | I didn't say that |
| 10:43.18 | Gnarfoz | I said it's hard to find one that fulfills *all* those requirements |
| 10:43.26 | Gnarfoz | removeable battery is far worse |
| 10:43.53 | Gnarfoz | (and yes, I'd be more willing to give *that* up than expandable storage, but as long as my phone is not totally broken, I'm sticking with it :P) |
| 10:44.25 | Gnarfoz | shame the S7 will probably use Exynos again |
| 10:44.35 | nevcairiel | why wouldnt it, its their chipset |
| 10:44.50 | Gnarfoz | because they only started using it exclusively with the S6? |
| 10:45.18 | Gnarfoz | the previous models all (hm... S3? maybe that was Exynos-only, too) had variants with other SoCs |
| 10:45.32 | nevcairiel | only some crazy international variants to get another modem |
| 10:45.36 | Gnarfoz | "only" |
| 10:45.44 | Gnarfoz | it's the other way around |
| 10:45.51 | nevcairiel | those are often not an option to just buy, you want one with the modem for your area |
| 10:45.57 | nevcairiel | so it nots like its much of a choice |
| 10:45.59 | Gnarfoz | only some markets without LTE had the Exynos variant |
| 10:46.04 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 10:46.26 | Gnarfoz | the Qualcomm variants outweighed the Exynos variants by quite a bit, while they existed |
| 10:46.44 | Gnarfoz | or maybe they'll see the light and provide proper docs/sources |
| 10:47.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how they can't see that as valuable to them, considering they're still following their "produce 200 models per year, see which ones people buy, support only the top 10% of those, and only for 2 years" approach |
| 10:48.04 | Gnarfoz | if they could add "but there's always custom ROMs since Samsung has nice open-source dev support" to that, things would be a bit better ^^ |
| 10:49.14 | karl_w_w | total size of all data: 3962mb available space: 1406mb |
| 10:49.41 | Gnarfoz | many dataz, handle it |
| 10:49.56 | Gnarfoz | why not copy that stuff off the phone |
| 10:50.55 | karl_w_w | i have copied a lot off |
| 10:52.45 | karl_w_w | why cant it just magically copy everything straight onto my PC |
| 10:52.50 | karl_w_w | stupid technologies |
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| 11:29.27 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: is this you http://pr0gramm.com/top/1151789 |
| 11:29.36 | Gnarfoz | (thanks Phixion) |
| 11:29.44 | Phixion | :) |
| 11:49.15 | karl_w_w | yes it is |
| 11:49.21 | karl_w_w | but more metaphorically |
| 12:20.43 | VIad | quick survey. how many upgraded to w10? |
| 12:27.09 | Gnarfoz | millions! |
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| 12:44.39 | VIad | I meant like in here :p |
| 12:44.41 | VIad | I guess none |
| 12:48.05 | karl_w_w | probably closer to all |
| 12:48.50 | VIad | even with the whole ordeal with the built in ad tracking thingy and privacy stuff around w10? |
| 12:49.05 | VIad | I can't see nevcairiel just blindly upgrading and not caring about those things :o |
| 12:49.24 | nevcairiel | there are options to turn off these things you know |
| 12:49.53 | VIad | do they really turn these things off? was sceptical. so figured to wait and see what others found out and such. |
| 12:55.43 | Gnarfoz | FUD is effective; proof: exhibit A, VIad |
| 12:56.45 | VIad | there is nothing like a "free os" |
| 12:56.59 | VIad | when microsoft or apple is involved :p |
| 12:57.01 | Gnarfoz | tell that to the Linux Desktop believers |
| 12:57.04 | stuf | yeah. Linux is only free if your time is worthless, too. |
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| 12:57.22 | Gnarfoz | this ^ |
| 12:57.35 | Gnarfoz | Ubuntu is not a company, and neither is Red Hat :D |
| 12:57.36 | stuf | 80% trolling, 20% truth tho, usually |
| 12:57.49 | VIad | suddenly free os but the catch is tracking you and making a profile to sell to 3rd parties - thats what I thought when I saw w10 initially |
| 12:57.58 | Gnarfoz | (outliers be outliers, not-backed-by-some-company distros are super-minorities) |
| 12:58.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you were thinking too hard about it |
| 12:58.18 | VIad | sounds too good to be true, so wondering what backdoor they put there |
| 12:59.26 | nevcairiel | funny note on the side: ubuntu's unity desktop has a cortana-esque search feature which also leaks all your requests to ubuntu servers |
| 13:00.51 | VIad | even when I type "boobs" in my local search bar? :o |
| 13:01.02 | nevcairiel | especially then |
| 13:01.34 | Gnarfoz | they also report it to a frivolity agency of their choosing |
| 13:02.25 | Gnarfoz | anyway, if you're not using Ubuntu or Fedora or whatever has the top 90% of that market share, you're already doing at least as much work as downloading ShutUp10 is |
| 13:02.28 | VIad | does that agency send someone to my door to provide boobs? |
| 13:02.38 | Gnarfoz | hopefully |
| 13:02.44 | Gnarfoz | you should try |
| 13:02.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 13:02.47 | VIad | still hoping to this day |
| 13:03.26 | nevcairiel | in hardware related news, rumors say new nvidia pascal flagship may arrive as early as april, somehow i dont believe quite yet |
| 13:03.38 | Gnarfoz | (and ShutUp10 is optional, too, it's just gives an easier overview than going through the Settings menu) |
| 13:04.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://i.imgur.com/EdTq5Nd.jpg |
| 13:04.27 | nevcairiel | I do! pascal will be quite the step forward |
| 13:05.35 | nevcairiel | rumors are even weirder though, presumably it'll start with a titan and the actual consumer variants to come in june |
| 13:06.15 | nevcairiel | that might make some sense, there were previous rumors that they will go after the compute market first, ie. teslas and quadros, and spinning off a titan for the prosumers might just work out |
| 13:07.52 | Gnarfoz | haven't they done that before? top-down? |
| 13:08.01 | nevcairiel | sure, but not with titan first |
| 13:08.09 | Gnarfoz | no? hm. |
| 13:08.45 | nevcairiel | but most professional compute systems are still stuck in kepler, so people are expecting nvidia to push into that area first and provide pascal compute cards |
| 13:08.54 | nevcairiel | and titan is basically a compute card stripped down a bit |
| 13:10.31 | VIad | is titan 2 more worth cost vs perf. than titan 1? |
| 13:10.57 | nevcairiel | titans are never cost effective for consumers |
| 13:11.53 | nevcairiel | the only point where they used to be cost effective is when you need serious compute power and tesla is just too expensive for you |
| 13:12.55 | nevcairiel | nevertheless, i would probably buy a pascal kepler if it comes out in april =p |
| 13:13.01 | VIad | one should think that the titan should at least be better as the physx stuff right? :p |
| 13:13.02 | nevcairiel | eh pascal titan |
| 13:13.04 | nevcairiel | i get cnfused |
| 13:13.18 | VIad | pascal reminds me of an old drawing program when I was young |
| 13:16.52 | karl_w_w | oh god I don't think I can hang on any more |
| 13:17.25 | karl_w_w | might have to just go and purchase a graphics card |
| 13:18.44 | Gnarfoz | buy 4 |
| 13:18.47 | Gnarfoz | just to sate your lust |
| 13:19.44 | Gnarfoz | this list is already so short it's a joke http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nWidthMax=70&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2600 :| |
| 13:19.49 | karl_w_w | 4 x GTX 710? |
| 13:20.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/evga-announces-six-gt710-gpus,31073.html |
| 13:21.25 | karl_w_w | 6 options and I can only think of a single use case |
| 13:21.51 | karl_w_w | people who want to game in a VM with GPU passthrough |
| 13:22.03 | Gnarfoz | why are those 7xx instead of 9xx, tho |
| 13:22.16 | karl_w_w | because they are kepler |
| 13:23.17 | Gnarfoz | ok, so translate series to codenames |
| 13:23.19 | Gnarfoz | same question. |
| 13:23.24 | Gnarfoz | WHY. |
| 13:23.24 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 13:23.32 | Gnarfoz | it's not like they couldn't have made them with current chips |
| 13:23.40 | karl_w_w | because there isn't a super low-tier maxwell chip |
| 13:23.45 | Gnarfoz | WHY? |
| 13:23.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 13:23.50 | karl_w_w | because |
| 13:23.53 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 13:23.54 | Gnarfoz | (also moderately related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI :D) |
| 13:24.23 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 13:24.58 | Gnarfoz | https://youtu.be/3XHgbJOKuw8?t=20s and I totally dig this Razer thing. Not that I need a laptop or a gaming laptop, but... looks very nice. IGZO display, too, which is a rarity. |
| 13:25.02 | Gnarfoz | IGZO is boss |
| 13:25.42 | karl_w_w | gaming laptops |
| 13:25.47 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
| 13:26.49 | Gnarfoz | is your palm big enough to block out the part of reality where those are both "a thing" and a useful thing to some people? ^^ |
| 13:27.07 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 13:27.51 | karl_w_w | I feel sorry for the people it's useful for |
| 13:28.11 | VIad | gaming laptops |
| 13:28.31 | VIad | what is the public stigma around those? |
| 13:28.56 | VIad | I myself only use stationary, only laptop I have is for work and it probably can play wow at lowest settings I guess :p |
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| 13:56.40 | Gnarfoz | if only Sony weren't such DRM dicks |
| 13:57.11 | Gnarfoz | then the Z5 compact would be a great choice |
| 13:57.47 | Gnarfoz | but unlocking the bootloader destroys the DRM keys for their X-Reality and Bravia engines, so you permanently downgrade your display and camera >_> |
| 14:10.23 | karl_w_w | total size of all data: 2767mb available space: 2821mb |
| 14:10.26 | karl_w_w | we did it! |
| 14:10.41 | nevcairiel | arent there tools to backup through usb |
| 14:11.03 | karl_w_w | none that I know of that do a complete backup |
| 14:19.22 | Gnarfoz | http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/28296/full-backup-of-non-rooted-devices |
| 14:20.42 | Gnarfoz | (also, of course, Helium https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup&hl=en though I haven't tried it myself) |
| 14:20.51 | karl_w_w | yeah that's the built in one, I've used it before it misses stuff |
| 14:27.01 | Gnarfoz | it backs up partition images, how can it miss stuff |
| 14:27.05 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 14:27.18 | Gnarfoz | clearly you need a custom recovery with network access. :D |
| 14:27.33 | Gnarfoz | (actually, TWRP (and CWM, too, I think) do support mounting USB OTG storage... |
| 14:27.45 | Gnarfoz | could have backed up onto a nice big flash drive ;-) |
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| 14:49.13 | karl_w_w | I don't have any otg devices :P |
| 14:53.36 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRmZyFDSuPo :D |
| 15:13.21 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAO1n3lYVIE rofl those star wars figurines |
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| 16:24.18 | pompy | "Marissa Mayer: Former Yahoo Board Member Says CEO Can Turnaround Company With a New Product David Kenny, a former Yahoo board member, said that Mayer has been "distracted" with Yahoo's financial stake in Alibaba, but that "the soul of Yahoo is its products.â" |
| 16:24.20 | pompy | no |
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| 17:02.35 | Semlar | remember that one time yahoo tried to deny email access to users running ad blockers |
| 17:05.15 | Gnarfoz | no, we forgot yahoo mail existed years ago |
| 17:08.09 | Semlar | oh yeah |
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| 17:15.48 | karl_w_w | from twitter: We noticed a recent login attempt from an unusual device or location. If this wasnât you (and so on) |
| 17:16.07 | karl_w_w | they don't tell me ANYTHING AT ALL about this suspicious login |
| 17:16.18 | karl_w_w | not the time, IP, device, nothing |
| 17:16.23 | karl_w_w | how am I meant to know? |
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| 17:24.08 | Semlar | were you being suspicious karl_w_w |
| 17:24.33 | karl_w_w | I'm a pretty shifty guy |
| 17:29.10 | pompy | karl_w_w: do you have the "login requests" setting checked? |
| 17:29.30 | karl_w_w | I have no idea what that is |
| 17:29.38 | pompy | https://twitter.com/settings/security |
| 17:30.38 | karl_w_w | verify login requests? no, box is grey because I haven't added a phone to my account |
| 17:31.09 | Trela | karl_w_w: That email notification is pretty well shit. I get it sometimes too from people slamming the keyboard wrong. |
| 17:31.30 | pompy | oh karl_w_w.. go to "your twitter data" |
| 17:31.34 | pompy | the login history is there |
| 17:31.43 | zenzelezz | this tweet had me laughing out loud at the bus home... it was awkward. "The blast doors were sealed, the oxygen depleting. They begged the ship's AI to explain. "Object object", was all the silvery voice replied." |
| 17:32.27 | pompy | "If you see any suspicious activity from an app, go to the Apps tab to revoke its access. In some cases the IP location may differ from your physical location. Learn more" |
| 17:33.04 | karl_w_w | all looks fine |
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| 18:38.58 | Gnarfoz | yo kd3! happy birthday :-) |
| 18:47.14 | kd3 | thanks! |
| 18:49.14 | Ressy | kd3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNRry5yfIQ |
| 18:51.07 | Ressy | Happy Birthday :P |
| 18:51.11 | kd3 | thanks! |
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| 19:38.42 | Gnarfoz | VIad: http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229 btw |
| 19:44.11 | Amarande | hah, when I tell folks in ##hardware to calm down about win10's privacy stuff I actually get accused of being a troll and a shill, though |
| 19:44.50 | Amarande | and hell, even if Win10 DID gather as much as it supposedly was claimed to ... doesn't the average user tend to already trust most of that stuff to facebook and google as it is? LOL |
| 19:45.02 | Amarande | (and heck, often Public, at that!) |
| 19:46.07 | Amarande | otoh, I would say that win10 probably does suck for certain user classes, especially people with limited bandwidth quotas :S |
| 19:47.39 | Amarande | well, I guess it also seems iffy to me for people who work in fields that have legal requirements for protection of client privacy (e.g., doctors and lawyers), since the EULA language is so vague it's hard to really say you can truly promise you're keeping that privacy :| |
| 19:47.44 | Amarande | but that's about it |
| 19:48.00 | Amarande | I've got Win10 on the gaming tower and so far it's been pretty nice |
| 19:51.11 | zenzelezz | been using Win10 since August, and while there are some things I'm not too fond of, I'm generally happy with it. Never felt like "I should go back to 7" |
| 19:54.36 | bshelden | I'm content. I was happy with 7, I'm happy with 10. |
| 19:54.56 | bshelden | I haven't noticed improvements nor regressions so... *shrugs* |
| 19:55.20 | bshelden | Had I know that'd be the result, I think I just wouldn't have bothered. |
| 19:55.39 | bshelden | But I bought a shiny new SSD to be my system drive and decided I might as well since I was doing an OS reinstall anyway |
| 19:55.42 | Amarande | There was supposedly an issue at one point with nVidia GeForce Experience being at war with Windows Update, but that seems like it's been fixed |
| 19:56.01 | bshelden | Never ran into that. My nvidia stuff just happily pokes me to update once in awhile and that's it |
| 19:56.15 | Amarande | yeah, I think it was in the really ancient days, maybe back in the tech previews |
| 19:56.34 | Amarande | some people had an issue where GeForce Experience and Windows Update each had different thoughts of what was supposed to be the latest driver |
| 19:56.54 | Amarande | with the result that each would keep swapping the driver and wanting a reboot (which would prompt the other to do the same) :P |
| 19:57.05 | bshelden | 'fun' |
| 19:57.13 | bshelden | But that's what tech previews are partially for. |
| 19:57.45 | Amarande | It also makes one lament the fact that Windows isn't as good as Linux at delivering device drivers with the OS |
| 19:58.37 | Amarande | Ideally, drivers *ought* to be something maintained by the OS, that's the primary duty *of* an operating system core, providing interfaces to the hardware :) |
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| 20:01.42 | Amarande | I suppose with graphics drivers a lot of it is the game devs' fault though heh |
| 20:03.01 | Gnarfoz | clearly, the answer to VIad's question is "not nobody", then :D |
| 20:03.56 | VIad | :o |
| 20:26.11 | karl_w_w | I fucking despise these websites using a touchscreen-friendly UI for desktops |
| 20:26.17 | karl_w_w | http://www.logitech.com/en-au what is this shit? |
| 20:26.51 | VIad | its html6 |
| 20:26.54 | VIad | web3 |
| 20:27.07 | VIad | animate the shit out of your site |
| 20:27.14 | bshelden | You still use a desktop? Dinosaur... |
| 20:27.30 | VIad | WCAG score negative |
| 20:27.54 | VIad | you can fit all the site in one scrollless window I guess |
| 20:27.56 | VIad | but nooo :p |
| 20:34.20 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 20:34.47 | Mr_Rabies | interesting question: can you resize frames with a command? apparently my GM has managed to make the /loot window fill her whole screen, lol |
| 20:37.58 | karl_w_w | get the frame name with /fstack then Frame:SetSize(width, height) |
| 20:38.33 | karl_w_w | probably wanna make sure you get the right frame :P |
| 20:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | ah got it |
| 20:41.30 | Mr_Rabies | had her scale down her ui |
| 20:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | grab the tab, scale it down |
| 20:41.42 | Mr_Rabies | then scale her ui back up |
| 20:52.45 | Mr_Rabies | oh weird, it was super wide too |
| 20:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | i just looked up the default setting for it and gave that to her |
| 20:52.56 | Mr_Rabies | /run LootHistoryFrame:SetSize(210, 175) |
| 20:53.31 | karl_w_w | resizes Mr_Rabies into a starfish |
| 20:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | where is that kinda stuff stored in the files? |
| 20:55.31 | Mr_Rabies | the window size settings per character? |
| 20:56.54 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it was layout-cache.wtf, but i'm not seeing it in there, hmm |
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| 22:37.17 | relaxok | anybody ever noticed anything weird with the Inset Frame and draw order? |
| 22:39.25 | relaxok | InsetFrameTemplate |
| 22:42.39 | Simca_ | Emits a dazzling light in all directions, blinding enemies within 10 yards, dealing (1% of weapon damage) damage and causing them to wander disoriented for 6 sec. Holy damage will not break the disorient effect |
| 22:42.43 | Simca_ | now that is a cute flavor touch |
| 22:45.26 | nevcairiel | why are your numbers always so weird anyway |
| 22:45.34 | nevcairiel | wowhead seems to have much realer numbers |
| 22:54.29 | Simca_ | wowhead spell tooltips are actually usually wrong, lol |
| 22:54.34 | Simca_ | nevcairiel: |
| 22:55.07 | nevcairiel | they seem far more belieable than the 1% and 0% mmoc usually shows |
| 22:55.13 | nevcairiel | believable |
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| 22:55.34 | nevcairiel | because 0% is clearly not correct =p |
| 22:55.38 | Simca_ | if it shows 0 or 0%, it's usually a blizzard data bug |
| 22:55.50 | Simca_ | and will be fixed in the next few builds |
| 22:55.57 | Simca_ | in which case wowhead will also have it wrong |
| 22:56.31 | Simca_ | 1% in this example i'm not sure, it may be accurate. it is a CC after all, not intended to damage much |
| 22:56.40 | nevcairiel | i'm not convinced. :) |
| 22:56.56 | nevcairiel | for example mmo-c lists tranquility to go from 200% to 0, while wowhead shows 200->100 |
| 22:57.11 | nevcairiel | with all other healers aoe cooldown heals also receiving a 50% cut |
| 22:57.14 | nevcairiel | so it seems logical |
| 22:57.33 | Simca_ | interesting |
| 22:58.44 | Simca_ | I wonder if they've started using the AP/SP % modifier |
| 22:59.32 | Stanzilla | mmoc tooltips were always weird :o |
| 22:59.49 | Simca_ | our initial site design was shit and resulted in two different spell parsing engines - one for the diffs on the front page, another for the spell pages on the site |
| 23:00.05 | Simca_ | the latter is usually much more accurate, which is unfortunate |
| 23:00.30 | Simca_ | someday i hope they get merged |
| 23:01.23 | Stanzilla | should be priority |
| 23:01.36 | Stanzilla | driving users to the competition is usually not a good move :D |
| 23:02.23 | nevcairiel | i usually have been reading wowhead alpha diffs because they tend to be up sooner and show better spell diffs, at least subjectively =p |
| 23:05.57 | Simca_ | might be true; i usually am comparing changes from wowdb/wowhead on spell pages themselves when making tickets, and the wowhead versions had traditionally contained unparsed variables and spell constants that weren't condensed |
| 23:09.05 | Simca_ | which it looks like they actually fixed recently, since i'm not seeing it now. they didn't support the spell tooltip variable for versatility, so they had unparsed $versadmg all over |
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