| 00:00.28 | Semlar2 | jeopardy time neffi |
| 00:00.54 | Semlar2 | get your game face on |
| 00:02.46 | Semlar2 | each correct response must begin with the letter M |
| 00:03.05 | Neffi | money |
| 00:03.21 | Neffi | you are wrong Semlar2 |
| 00:03.29 | Neffi | each correct response must, in fact, begin with "what is" |
| 00:03.36 | Semlar2 | oo good point |
| 00:03.52 | Semlar2 | actually that's not true, it only has to be phrased as a question |
| 00:04.18 | Semlar2 | so you could just end every statement on a high note? |
| 00:04.41 | Neffi | simply ending a statement with an upward inflection does not make it a question, Semlar2 |
| 00:04.53 | Semlar2 | yes it does? |
| 00:05.02 | Neffi | are you a teenage girl? |
| 00:05.09 | Semlar2 | i might be? |
| 00:05.14 | Neffi | you might be |
| 00:05.26 | Semlar2 | hang on, let me check |
| 00:07.38 | Semlar2 | sorry, i got distracted |
| 00:08.05 | Neffi | :? |
| 00:09.04 | Semlar2 | 4 letter verbs for 1000 |
| 00:09.42 | Neffi | don't curse, Semlar2, it's vulgar |
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| 00:14.29 | Semlar2 | you pick first in final jeopardy |
| 00:14.40 | kullervo | wtb shadowplay, but for sound only |
| 00:14.46 | Neffi | i'll have the green one |
| 00:15.46 | Semlar2 | DODO DODO |
| 00:15.59 | Neffi | Who is Sting? |
| 00:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | what do you mean, kullervo? |
| 00:21.10 | kullervo | to save the past n minutes of audio |
| 00:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | ahh |
| 00:21.38 | Mr_Rabies | you could leave audacity running with stereo mix enabled i guess but audacity likes to crash :v |
| 00:21.55 | kullervo | and audacity doesn't have that sort of an option |
| 00:22.00 | kullervo | it'd just record ERRYTHIIING |
| 00:23.37 | Mr_Rabies | well that's basically what shadowplay does too |
| 00:24.44 | Semlar2 | uhh how did this get approved http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/creator/ |
| 00:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | it records to a rolling temp file, and you tell it to cut the last x minutes from it and save it to another file when you hit the shadowplay quick button |
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| 00:27.44 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: yeah but audacity's isn't rolling |
| 00:34.46 | Neffi | anyone ever used one of the gift card trading/selling services? |
| 00:34.59 | Neffi | are any of then not a scam or a spam bait? |
| 00:35.52 | kullervo | wouldn't support activity like that anyway |
| 00:36.02 | kullervo | stolen goods etc |
| 00:36.03 | Neffi | what? |
| 00:36.08 | Neffi | oh, jeez |
| 00:36.17 | kullervo | although I feel guilty buying chinese takeaway as well because I know where the meat comes from |
| 00:36.24 | Neffi | I just wanna get rid of this best buy gift card. like, who the hell shops at best buy |
| 00:36.40 | kullervo | oh you have a card. No idea then. |
| 00:36.59 | Neffi | its for $50 and that can't even buy me a fkin HDMI cable. at least some fraction of that in my PayPal is useful |
| 00:38.05 | foxlit | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/monster-platinum-series-5-in-wall-hdmi-a-v-cable-black/9900649.p?id=1219043716320&skuId=9900649 is clearly the hdmi cable in question |
| 00:38.22 | Neffi | ;) |
| 00:38.46 | foxlit | but they're okay with your $50 if you settle for the "gold" series: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/monster-gold-series-9-in-wall-hdmi-a-v-cable-gray/9907014.p?id=1219043716433&skuId=9907014 |
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| 00:38.56 | Neffi | there's a million sites that'll give me 90% cash value and most of them have "scam" written all over |
| 00:39.24 | Neffi | I'd rather that $50 pay for some fraction of a new PC build though |
| 00:39.33 | Neffi | and by some fraction, I don't mean the monitor cable |
| 00:41.09 | foxlit | ahem, it "supports up to 4K resolution and 8- to 12-bit colors, so you can enjoy stunning high-definition visuals with smooth color gradation when connected to a compatible HDMI 1.4b component." |
| 00:41.21 | Amarande | wtf, Best Buy still only has $50+ HDMI cables? |
| 00:41.32 | Amarande | that was the case in like, 2007 when I bought my first HDTV *smh* |
| 00:41.36 | foxlit | you wouldn't want your visuals to be non-stunning, or lacking in variation smoothness. |
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| 00:46.25 | foxlit | Amarande: no; I'm obviously cherry-picking links. Walmart itself is prepared to exchange an HDMI cable for varying amounts of your money, between $5 and $400. |
| 00:47.43 | Semlar | i have no variation in my smoothness |
| 00:48.36 | foxlit | i am so sorry, Semlar. |
| 00:51.46 | Semlar | i only have one setting foxlit |
| 00:54.51 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.20 | Semlar | EXTERMINATE |
| 00:57.11 | foxlit | did you know that of 3669 addons, exactly ONE broke my Lua parser? |
| 00:57.21 | Semlar | i'm sorry |
| 00:57.26 | Semlar | i didn't mean to |
| 00:57.33 | Semlar | i break everything |
| 00:58.19 | foxlit | I wanted to tell you that it couldn't have been you |
| 00:58.21 | Semlar | okay i know it's not one of mine because they don't exist |
| 00:58.26 | foxlit | because of that. |
| 00:58.45 | Semlar | but if they did exist |
| 00:58.52 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.10 | Semlar | my dark secret |
| 00:59.48 | Semlar | how else would i get curse to send me an email every month congratulating me on my curse premium |
| 00:59.56 | foxlit | redeem yourself by performing the impossible feat of guessing what the parser bug was? |
| 01:00.18 | Semlar | it assumed i wouldn't write an addon in php |
| 01:00.49 | Semlar | and then upload it as a rar |
| 01:01.05 | foxlit | I ended up killing all the rars manually. |
| 01:01.17 | Semlar | inside of a zip |
| 01:01.25 | foxlit | so no; this was valid Lua code. |
| 01:02.04 | Semlar | did it make the parser contemplate its existance |
| 01:02.11 | Amarande | foxlit: mind you, I've tended to feel that Walmart charges too much for HDMI cables also |
| 01:02.17 | Semlar | or make it go into an infinite loop |
| 01:02.32 | Semlar | that's usually how i trick ai into not destroying the world |
| 01:04.12 | foxlit | it was http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/fusionhud/ |
| 01:04.57 | Semlar | was the xml comment |
| 01:06.00 | Semlar | how come it has all the X-Curse tags in the toc file twice |
| 01:06.48 | foxlit | (no, that would be a bug in the XML parser) |
| 01:08.47 | Semlar | i need to rewrite my skype bot to use the web api because they broke skype4com |
| 01:25.46 | foxlit | hate -webkit-user-select: none; with me. |
| 01:27.07 | Semlar | some browsers let you override that kind of thing with ctrl, alt or shift |
| 01:27.59 | Semlar | i might have had to get a plugin for firefox that disables it |
| 01:30.44 | foxlit | user stylesheets to the rescue. |
| 01:31.17 | Semlar | i had to start using Stylish to fix wowinterface :( |
| 01:32.38 | Semlar | i have a whole plugin just for this @-moz-document domain("wowinterface.com") {#layout {min-width: 900px;}} |
| 01:36.50 | foxlit | but their thoughtful choice of min-width cuts off their own ads. |
| 01:38.16 | Semlar | it makes the site not fit on my vertical monitor :( |
| 01:38.50 | Semlar | and it's really annoying to try and read posts that go like 200px off the page |
| 01:39.01 | foxlit | I see the problem. |
| 01:39.06 | foxlit | Stop reading posts, imo. |
| 01:39.26 | Semlar | you may be right |
| 01:41.39 | Amarande | Semlar may be crazy, but he just might be the lunatic you're looking for |
| 01:59.05 | foxlit | it's frustrating that virtually every zam network page refreshes its own ads every 30 seconds or so. |
| 02:00.27 | Amarande | foxlit: indeed |
| 02:00.40 | Amarande | especially when you have a number of wowhead windows open, go to do something else and wtf where is that sound coming from |
| 02:01.03 | Amarande | (plus sometimes it's that one ad for tide or the like over and over and over) |
| 02:02.21 | Amarande | plus zam's ad provider apparently has a rep for vetting ads poorly in re malware |
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| 03:14.09 | mckenziemc | it's still Torhal's birthday? |
| 03:18.42 | Gnarfoz | that means it's still christmas, too! :D |
| 03:18.51 | Gnarfoz | I didn't realize Torhal had such power |
| 03:20.11 | Neffi | it's Torhal's birthday? oh shit |
| 03:20.27 | mckenziemc | or so little, if he can't change the /topic! |
| 03:21.16 | Neffi | gives Torhal Semlar's car for his birthday |
| 03:21.28 | Semlar | poor torhal |
| 03:21.37 | Neffi | :3 |
| 03:23.08 | Gnarfoz | don't forget the duct tape, in case it breaks again |
| 03:27.10 | mckenziemc | "printed in china" - well i could tell this owner's manual was translated in china, and i don't see why they would outsource their printing |
| 04:05.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.30 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:07.56 | Amarande | is manual translated for the convenient user |
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| 08:13.47 | Shirik | a friend of mine just found the greatest subreddit |
| 08:13.49 | Shirik | https://www.reddit.com/r/donaldandhobbes |
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| 11:04.36 | nevcairiel | in before the idiots of your country actually make him president |
| 11:04.41 | nevcairiel | or you know, he just buys it |
| 11:09.21 | Semlar | don't be jealous |
| 11:30.05 | karl_w_w | s/jealous/terrified/ |
| 11:34.45 | Semlar | umm my google just turned into a coding challenge while i was searching for something |
| 11:34.57 | Semlar | i need an adult |
| 11:37.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.34 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.00 | Gnarfoz | the only winning move is not to play |
| 11:39.11 | Semlar | i'm afraid it's too late |
| 11:39.15 | Semlar | the clock has started |
| 11:39.32 | Semlar | they've given me 48 hours.. |
| 11:41.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.28 | Semlar | if you guys don't see me in a few days.. avenge my death |
| 11:57.10 | Semlar | also destroy my computer, i don't want anyone going through my hard drives |
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| 13:02.21 | Neffi | Semlar: play it. |
| 13:03.04 | Neffi | The questions get hard and will probably require a lot of research, but could land you a job at Google |
| 13:03.20 | Semlar | pfft, that sounds like work neffi |
| 13:03.33 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.04 | Neffi | was it difficult? |
| 13:04.39 | Semlar | well, it required some thought |
| 13:05.09 | Neffi | A friend in another channel did it and one of his answers required some really obscure math theory stuff to be researched and some very complicated code with some clever optimizations |
| 13:05.17 | Semlar | but i did make a sandwich and browse the internet while i had it open so saying it took me an hour and a half was a little generous |
| 13:05.18 | Neffi | I understood so little of it |
| 13:05.35 | Neffi | what was the question? |
| 13:05.56 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i linked it |
| 13:06.34 | Neffi | Oh, I see |
| 13:08.17 | Semlar | i don't know what the next question is because i should be asleep |
| 13:08.27 | Semlar | and fetching it starts a timer |
| 13:10.03 | Neffi | wait, did you not go to sleep yet? |
| 13:12.10 | Constie | Semlar doesn't sleep; he waits. |
| 13:15.35 | Neffi | HLTs Semlar |
| 13:16.07 | Semlar | what is this, a roofie? |
| 13:16.17 | mikma | you deserve it |
| 13:16.39 | Semlar | i'm flattered |
| 13:19.33 | karl_w_w | flattens Semlar |
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| 13:20.09 | Semlar | rude |
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| 16:47.29 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/fN0c8v8.jpg |
| 16:49.15 | karl_w_w | interesting side note: apparently sunflower oil is a fruit |
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| 18:10.15 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w's a fruit |
| 18:10.30 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 18:11.08 | mckenziemc | you didn't know? |
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| 18:17.32 | karl_w_w | in other news, finding driver downloads on intels site is almost completely impossible |
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| 18:29.19 | Mr_Rabies | they really just want you to use their tool |
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| 18:34.25 | d[karl]b | trouble is the tool doesn't work for me |
| 18:34.38 | d[karl]b | it spends 10 mins scanning my system and it doesn't find any intel things |
| 18:36.56 | mckenziemc | heh... |
| 18:37.18 | karl_w_w | in other news, they are still saying Q1 for oculus rift, with preorders shortly after new year |
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| 18:37.39 | mckenziemc | you mean "in other other news" |
| 18:37.56 | karl_w_w | I do indeed |
| 18:38.03 | karl_w_w | I'm glad you're keeping up :P |
| 18:38.57 | karl_w_w | but in other other other news, they've been talking up how premium and high quality everything about it is, probably foreshadowing a hefty price |
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| 18:52.06 | karl_w_w | in other x 4 news, ifttt.com is pretty cool |
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| 18:54.15 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn for free |
| 18:54.21 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 18:54.27 | Fisker | for free? |
| 18:54.40 | Cairenn | Always |
| 18:54.58 | Fisker | :) |
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| 19:09.19 | Semlar | once you start charging for things like hugs it's a slippery slope to prostitution |
| 19:10.08 | mikma | shirik: ever played the lego marvel super heroes? |
| 19:14.07 | Amarande | Wow ... RIP Ian Murdock |
| 19:16.39 | zenzelezz | obvious question... which network first carried the news? |
| 19:16.46 | Semlar | fox |
| 19:16.52 | zenzelezz | shame |
| 19:16.59 | zenzelezz | would've been fun if it was someone else |
| 19:18.00 | Semlar | maybe cnn |
| 19:18.33 | Semlar | fox is the one true news channel though |
| 19:25.24 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker and Cairenn and charges Fisker $10000 |
| 19:26.02 | jleclanche | ian murdock has died |
| 19:26.25 | Amarande | hmm, also interesting ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/3ynv0g/debian_linux_founder_ian_murdock_abused_by_cops/ |
| 19:26.32 | jleclanche | yesterday he was complaining about police brutality |
| 19:26.33 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 19:27.13 | jleclanche | this is troubling |
| 19:27.19 | Amarande | hell, one might wonder if it was actually suicide as some are saying or if some police actor decided to get rid of him after that statement *shrug* |
| 19:27.24 | Amarande | given the way American cops have been lately ... |
| 19:28.30 | Amarande | saying you'll spend the rest of your life fighting against the police and basically declaring them your enemy is probably a pretty good way to have some police interests want to make that rest of your life pretty brief :p |
| 19:29.20 | Amarande | but ... seriously, knock on your neighbour's door and have the cops abuse you, that's just wtf |
| 19:29.25 | mckenziemc | oh shut up Amarande |
| 19:29.58 | Amarande | almost basically a statement that we don't really even have neighbourhoods in any sort of normal sense anymore, either :| |
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| 19:54.41 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 19:59.29 | fewyn | https://www.facebook.com/Steam/posts/10153374589497339 |
| 20:04.37 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/sailorhg/status/682138509117767680 |
| 20:05.12 | zenzelezz | fewyn: got to wonder if they just took this long to come up with something, or if Totalbiscuit's video gave them a prod |
| 20:05.31 | Alram | took them this long |
| 20:05.46 | fewyn | it's not always an easy issue to track down and then they had to have someone draft up a post |
| 20:05.53 | fewyn | then it probably has to get approved by management |
| 20:05.58 | Alram | lawyers mostly im sure |
| 20:06.02 | Alram | also |
| 20:06.03 | fewyn | and it was christmas so it probably was harder than usual |
| 20:06.04 | Alram | "management" |
| 20:06.05 | fewyn | yeah lawyers too |
| 20:06.09 | Alram | hehehe |
| 20:06.21 | fewyn | caching issues can be a bitch to track down |
| 20:06.41 | Alram | seeing this happened before |
| 20:06.47 | fewyn | yep |
| 20:06.48 | zenzelezz | I agree it's natural to take time, but after such a highly publicised issue, they might have wanted to be quicker about it |
| 20:06.53 | Amarande | plus all the various issues that were cited on the thread |
| 20:06.55 | Alram | and we could identify the issue from outside very easily |
| 20:07.07 | Alram | im not sure that warrants them taking that long to even fix it |
| 20:07.07 | Amarande | they probably had to figure out if it really did eat people's gift cards like one or two people claimed |
| 20:07.07 | fewyn | the problem is tracking down that one piece of code |
| 20:07.12 | Alram | wasnt code |
| 20:07.16 | fewyn | well yeah |
| 20:07.18 | fewyn | in this case it wasn't |
| 20:07.52 | fewyn | i know some caching networks can take 24-48 hours to clear your cache once you put the request in or propagate a change |
| 20:08.04 | Amarande | couple of people went all smiling in a rush to redeem their steam gift cards on xmas and then suddenly noticed the problem and worried that they'd just involuntarily regifted |
| 20:08.09 | Alram | well the issue was resolved after little over an hour with all caches purged as well |
| 20:08.13 | Alram | the statement just took this long |
| 20:08.33 | fewyn | thankfully steam doesn't put full credit card numbers out there |
| 20:08.41 | fewyn | only downside is some people now have peoples addresses |
| 20:08.44 | Alram | but i'm sure akamai had to help out |
| 20:08.55 | fewyn | it's not as bad as some of the bad leaks in recent years |
| 20:08.56 | Amarande | yeah, not enough to steal from someone outright |
| 20:08.59 | fewyn | this was pretty tame |
| 20:09.00 | zenzelezz | the problem is that gamers are angry, anxious fuckers, who never care much for waiting for the truth. Rather spend the interim spreading rumors and falsehoods |
| 20:09.01 | Amarande | though possibly enough to enable social engineering attacks |
| 20:09.13 | Alram | its enough to be a problem |
| 20:09.20 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: they will do so even with a statement |
| 20:09.36 | nevcairiel | internet trolls are terrible people |
| 20:09.36 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: true |
| 20:10.08 | Alram | valve had a statement out a few hours after it happened |
| 20:10.13 | Alram | it was just really shit |
| 20:11.22 | Amarande | zenzelezz: well, it doesn't help that when things move at the speed of internet, it can take only a few hours or even minutes to get taken for the complete ride |
| 20:12.54 | zenzelezz | Alram: the problem is it was nowhere on *any* of their public-facing profiles; instead only to some third party website |
| 20:13.03 | Alram | well yeah |
| 20:13.15 | Alram | we had to actually ask their marketing/press director for it |
| 20:13.52 | nevcairiel | it was christmas, give them a break |
| 20:13.55 | Amarande | and next thing you know, for instance, maybe your bank account's been emptied and all the christmas cheques you gave your family come up bad ... or you go to check your luggage to go home from christmas and find you can't because the credit card's been maxed by thankful thieves |
| 20:14.07 | Amarande | there's a good reason to panic when things are compromised, even if it often makes things more chaotic |
| 20:14.33 | nevcairiel | no, there is a good reason even you dont get to see your own billing information, there is no reason for parnic |
| 20:15.35 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: how long would it take to find someone to write up "We are aware of the problem and investigating" on the Steam support twitter account? I'll accept I may have unreasonable expectations, but any word is reassuring |
| 20:16.06 | Alram | there was 1 person in charge of the steam twitter accounts when they were still being manually updated |
| 20:16.11 | Alram | said person got let go a few months back |
| 20:16.18 | fewyn | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:umvcoAjl8SIJ:https://twitter.com/imurdock/status/681598929205526528+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us |
| 20:16.26 | fewyn | looks like he probably did commit suicide |
| 20:16.42 | Amarande | nevcairiel: from what I saw in the thread there were reports that additional billing info would get exposed if someone tried (mistakenly or not) to edit the billing info that wasn't theirs |
| 20:17.00 | nevcairiel | thats not how bad caching works |
| 20:17.04 | zenzelezz | Alram: aha... well that's not optimal |
| 20:17.05 | nevcairiel | stop reading FUD |
| 20:17.26 | Alram | that was true though |
| 20:17.34 | fewyn | except it wasn't |
| 20:17.45 | fewyn | you could get to the edit page |
| 20:17.48 | fewyn | but it wouldn't let you save |
| 20:17.53 | fewyn | as you weren't authenticated |
| 20:17.58 | Alram | well no you couldnt edit anything |
| 20:18.04 | Alram | but you could see billing information |
| 20:18.14 | fewyn | you could "See" the billing address and the last 2 digits of the cc number |
| 20:18.22 | nevcairiel | not anymore than the summary already shows you anymore |
| 20:18.24 | nevcairiel | anyway* |
| 20:18.39 | Alram | no, but it did expose it :p |
| 20:18.45 | Alram | so not fud |
| 20:18.59 | nevcairiel | read what Amarande wrote, clearly "additional" |
| 20:19.01 | nevcairiel | which is FUD |
| 20:19.21 | Alram | do you mean the checkout summary |
| 20:19.24 | Alram | or the account page one |
| 20:19.44 | Amarande | good question, it was a while since I last looked at the thread |
| 20:19.50 | zenzelezz | I can never remember what the D in FUD is... the gist I do, but several words fit the bill |
| 20:19.59 | nevcairiel | fear, uncertainty, doubt |
| 20:20.00 | Amarande | and I wasn't able to finish reading it since the steam communiy was taken down while I was doing so |
| 20:20.08 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: ah, right |
| 20:20.22 | zenzelezz | for some reason I kept coming up with "disillusionment" |
| 20:20.31 | Alram | i like to put "disgust" there |
| 20:20.49 | Amarande | zenzelezz: that's probably more one of the things that induces people to spread fud to start with |
| 20:20.56 | Amarande | especially about some topics, like Windows heh |
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| 20:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | the biggest reason is because people will parrot anything they hear nowadays, real or fabricated, so long as it confirms their worldview |
| 20:27.55 | fewyn | ^ |
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