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| 00:44.06 | Shirik | https://twitter.com/catherinelward/status/681153599821471745/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw |
| 00:49.37 | zenzelezz | don't worry Shirik, you'll get it right next year |
| 00:59.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:02.26 | Stanzilla | http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/avPZqwd_460sv.mp4 |
| 01:15.06 | Gnarfoz | :O Lemmy is dead :( |
| 01:15.31 | Gnarfoz | how did I miss that? :D |
| 01:16.12 | Gnarfoz | oh because I can't read and it happened today |
| 01:20.50 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Ooof! Too much grip there. Heh |
| 01:21.57 | Semlar | i fixed it torhal http://i.imgur.com/pWk4XlF.jpg |
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| 01:41.41 | Neffi | no semlar stahp |
| 01:41.57 | Semlar | no? |
| 01:42.19 | Semlar | too late neffi |
| 01:42.25 | Semlar | it is done |
| 01:42.43 | fewyn_ | go blue and orange helmets beat the orange and black helmets |
| 01:43.14 | Semlar | i actually went and bought the plastic rings from autozone and installed them but i think my duct tape would have held up better |
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| 01:47.35 | Semlar | it's satisfying to fix something yourself neffi, especially when you don't have to pay anyone |
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| 01:58.50 | Neffi | yws |
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| 05:02.47 | Cairenn | And winter's all like "Ha ha, you thought you were going to get off easy with next to no snow and nice warm temperatures. Here, have 20-35cm snow in under 24 hrs, and a drop in temp from +15C on Christmas Eve day to -19C tonight. Mwahahahaha!" |
| 05:03.37 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:03.52 | Amarande | winter waited till after christmas to show up in earnest here too |
| 05:04.07 | Amarande | it was spring-like last week, now it's finally freezing and we're getting freezing rain and sleet |
| 05:04.21 | Amarande | and meanwhile my fiancee's zip has like 5+ alerts on weatherbug |
| 05:04.22 | Cairenn | yup |
| 05:04.55 | A-KO | lol Cairenn |
| 05:04.56 | A-KO | sounds like fun |
| 05:05.03 | A-KO | it's not quite as cold down here.... |
| 05:05.12 | A-KO | but on Saturday night we're expecting to get to -2C....:P |
| 05:05.15 | A-KO | and daytime high of 5-6C |
| 05:05.16 | Fisker | hides in the snow and hugs Cairenn |
| 05:05.28 | Cairenn | Yeah, next 24 hrs are gonna suck. Luckily, don't have to go out anywhere tomorrow, so gonna just bundle up and stay in. |
| 05:05.40 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 05:05.58 | Amarande | I don't have to work till 2 tomorrow afternoon, by then it'll be just rain |
| 05:12.41 | Semlar | tomorrow's going to be 86 degrees |
| 05:13.47 | Cairenn | :p |
| 05:14.23 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah but we get to swim in the summertime without having to worry about total tentacular torture |
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| 05:16.59 | Amarande | jellyfish are evil :p |
| 06:02.36 | relaxok | do ScrollChild frames automatically get set all points done to them? |
| 06:02.54 | relaxok | because e.g. the quest log frame scrollchild never has anchors set |
| 06:07.36 | Semlar | no |
| 06:07.46 | Semlar | they have a set size or something |
| 06:07.47 | relaxok | i guess i dont really know much about ScrollFrames either, reading the ScrollChild stuff on wowprogramming |
| 06:07.56 | Semlar | and they're anchored to the top left |
| 06:07.56 | relaxok | it must do some custom stuff |
| 06:09.05 | Semlar | so it can move up with the scroll offset |
| 06:20.12 | Amarande | yay it's sleeting like mad now |
| 06:21.32 | Amarande | also, eep, you might want to get ready to skip flying next year if lots of states don't get the lead out real soon about their drivers' licences |
| 06:21.43 | Amarande | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/business/tsa-moves-closer-to-rejecting-some-state-drivers-licenses-for-travel.html?_r=0 ... Ars had an article too |
| 06:22.20 | Amarande | extensions expire in october, that'll be just in time to make blizzcon fun heh |
| 06:23.48 | Trela | "Reduce identity theft" Sure, a national identification card will magically prevent that. |
| 06:24.30 | Amarande | Trela: heh |
| 06:24.42 | Amarande | the real fun is going to be at the airport when traveling after some of these extensions expire |
| 06:24.52 | Amarande | especially if big states like Cali and NY don't get the lead out |
| 06:25.38 | Amarande | your ID might be fine, but what you'll be doing is standing helplessly in queue as your flight taxis away from the gate while you wait for the 47 bazillion folks from less lucky states in front of you to be harangued by the security agent |
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| 08:16.16 | karl_w_w | A-KO, I'll swap your -2 for my +42 |
| 08:16.30 | Simca_ | UBRS, a community favorite |
| 08:16.32 | Simca_ | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0hnR5luLyiewZWzJTTjhaIAp97MrDdFsGYdytaCDMtI |
| 08:23.24 | Semlar | amateurs |
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| 09:41.29 | relaxok | okay this better work |
| 09:41.34 | relaxok | im still not seeing scrollframe stuff |
| 09:46.59 | nevcairiel | Simca_: i like ubrs :( |
| 09:52.32 | relaxok | oh |
| 09:52.33 | relaxok | heh |
| 09:54.16 | relaxok | i wasnt drawing the scrollchild =( |
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| 10:49.21 | VIad | ubrs is so easy, Simca_ |
| 10:49.45 | VIad | everything is easy tbh, even mythic modes once you are in 720+ gear |
| 10:50.00 | Simca_ | yes, obviously |
| 10:50.07 | nevcairiel | if you dont pay attention some mythic abilities can still kill you though :D |
| 10:50.21 | nevcairiel | but clearly outgearing makes all content easier |
| 10:51.14 | VIad | I did a ton of mythics just for fun, as tank its quick |
| 10:51.33 | Simca_ | yeah my toon is 718 and I spend most of my time carrying random people through heroics for the free call to arms loot |
| 10:51.37 | VIad | since I did CM gold I got hooked at practicing the various tricks in heroics and mythic modes too |
| 10:52.12 | VIad | I recommend any hunter, shaman, warrior, dk to look into spellstealing/reflecting |
| 10:52.47 | VIad | I didn't know back then but apparently some spells can be stolen and reflected that might not seem possible at first :p |
| 10:53.09 | Simca_ | haven't done any CMs this expansion but I definitely pay attention to trash abilities |
| 10:53.29 | Simca_ | knowing to interrupt fears on mob X while saving my stun for mob Y's uninterruptable (but stunnable) whirlwind |
| 10:53.31 | VIad | in auchindoun a reflect on bombs will eat the boss health |
| 10:53.37 | Simca_ | helps a lot with everyone else in the group having shit gear |
| 10:53.38 | VIad | first boss* |
| 10:56.15 | VIad | you can steal imps massive damage felbolt on the trash and bossfight |
| 10:56.33 | VIad | you can steal a very good dot on the shadow priests and the 2nd boss, right after the first spell they usually dot you up |
| 10:56.58 | VIad | on last boss chaos bolt is sweet 500k on mythic and even more on CM, but ofc might cost you a guy so need to CR :p |
| 10:57.26 | VIad | and this was just auchindoun, nearly every dungeon has some tricks you can do on bosses and trash |
| 10:58.22 | VIad | for instance I didnt know but apparently you can steal dragonbreath on mage boss in everbloom and use it, still getting the ropes as moving the camera breaks it :p but once you got it and finish trash quick, you can do the boss and do 200k per second, over a million damage in one channel |
| 10:58.48 | VIad | the tripplet boss you can steal bramblepatch and place it on the big guy, 50k ticks until he is dead. like having a extra guy with you. |
| 10:59.43 | VIad | bloodmaul, fire boss has also a 50k dot you can apply on him, his adds also spawn the same dot so you can keep doing that. the last boss trash have the channel fire, you can steal it and use it on the boss, applies a dot ticking 50k as well |
| 11:00.14 | VIad | of course these are less noticable in mythic, and even more in heroic and normal as the spells do low damage. but in CM its definetly worth knowing about and using |
| 11:00.52 | VIad | most powerfull is reflecting the iron docks 2nd boss, the warrior, lava wave, you can reflect and run into it to basically kill the boss solo - he will take insane damage ticking until he dies :p |
| 11:01.46 | Simca_ | you shouldn't be able to spell reflect a targetted aoe wave >.> |
| 11:02.01 | Simca_ | but it will probably never be fixed so it might as well be intended |
| 11:02.03 | VIad | I didn't know either because I thought the same |
| 11:02.12 | VIad | but you apparently can on several aoe like abilities |
| 11:02.20 | VIad | and they are being abused in Cms for easier kills :p |
| 11:02.29 | VIad | very weird that it is intended |
| 11:02.44 | VIad | no wonder dk/shaman/rdruid/hunter/warrior are popular in CMs |
| 11:02.50 | relaxok | goddamn setvalue/onvaluechanged loop or something |
| 11:03.01 | nevcairiel | dunno, bosses arent the focus in CMs anyway, its far more important to get through the masses of trash fast |
| 11:03.04 | Simca_ | i reported an ogre rare mob in frostfire named something like 'FROST GUY THE FROSTY' (totally made up the name) was only dropping apexis crystals and not his 'FROST STAFF OF ICY STUFF' |
| 11:03.14 | Simca_ | 1+ year later, still doesn't drop his staff |
| 11:03.20 | VIad | nevcairiel: sure helps if you can kill the boss by abusing some insane damaging ability :p |
| 11:03.42 | nevcairiel | we already learned a while ago you like exploiting, so thats ok :D |
| 11:03.55 | VIad | everyone is exploiting the CM gold |
| 11:04.07 | VIad | only way some of these gold timers are possible :p |
| 11:04.20 | VIad | gold time for some dungeon is 20 min, you see someone did it in 6 min |
| 11:04.24 | VIad | definetly legit |
| 11:04.44 | VIad | I wonder if they ever revoked the everbloom timers |
| 11:04.53 | VIad | since people used aviana to go to the last boss from the start |
| 11:04.55 | VIad | and just zerg it :p |
| 11:05.02 | VIad | got some insane quick completion times |
| 11:05.30 | nevcairiel | dont oyu need to kill all bosses to get the credit |
| 11:05.51 | Simca_ | http://www.wowdb.com/npcs/79104-uglok-the-frozen yep still doesn't drop his staff (I manually linked it to his NPC, that's why it shows ?? %, because it hasn't been seen) |
| 11:05.52 | VIad | now you do since the abuse |
| 11:06.03 | VIad | they had to add a checklist so people didnt skip stuff too much :p |
| 11:06.14 | VIad | like going to last boss and ignoring combat |
| 11:06.16 | Simca_ | it was checklisted in MoP |
| 11:06.23 | Simca_ | for the same reason |
| 11:06.35 | Simca_ | but I guess they forgot why they did it |
| 11:06.48 | VIad | I think they added the bosses as requirements |
| 11:07.03 | VIad | otherwise I am unsure why people talked about aviana exploit in everbloom if they still had to kill the bosses |
| 11:07.33 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/3fns4a/mythic_everbloom_skip_to_last_boss_hotfixed/ |
| 11:07.45 | VIad | apparently the portal no longer spawns until the bosses are dead |
| 11:07.55 | VIad | seems it did back when aviana was usable in dungeons |
| 11:07.57 | nevcairiel | that was for mythic |
| 11:08.07 | nevcairiel | but CMs always required the bosses iirc |
| 11:08.20 | VIad | fine I will find you a thread about CM everbloom last boss exploit |
| 11:09.22 | nevcairiel | they just used to skip half the terrain in everbloom by climbing walls |
| 11:09.37 | VIad | that might be true yes |
| 11:10.34 | nevcairiel | you can still skip a whole lot in everbloom by climbing over the mountains though |
| 11:10.45 | nevcairiel | not sure how well that works with the trash counter in CMs though |
| 11:10.51 | VIad | yes thats what people do, 2 major shortcuts |
| 11:10.54 | VIad | it works fine |
| 11:11.01 | VIad | you just pull the 2 patrols at the entrance |
| 11:11.12 | VIad | 1 roaming guy and one gy to the right side a bit down |
| 11:11.17 | VIad | then you got the count when you clear the rest |
| 11:12.43 | VIad | everbloom record is 9min with 4 dk and a rdruid :p |
| 11:12.50 | VIad | army and a lot of spell stealing |
| 11:12.59 | VIad | 4 blood actually, neato |
| 11:13.02 | VIad | can't die :p |
| 11:13.11 | VIad | balance druid, not rdruid |
| 11:13.14 | VIad | even nicer |
| 11:13.47 | nevcairiel | that DK ability is one of those things that has always been broken since its inception, curious that they didnt just throw it away |
| 11:14.00 | VIad | army is insane for cms |
| 11:14.14 | VIad | allows you to not die and have your minions die while you just aoe |
| 11:14.33 | VIad | funny how some of these records use weird compos like multiple tanks and no healers |
| 11:14.50 | nevcairiel | its a 10m cooldown, so its a one-time thing mostly |
| 11:14.57 | VIad | or two but yes |
| 11:15.05 | VIad | can use it when it matters |
| 11:15.09 | VIad | can also army exploit |
| 11:15.14 | VIad | army, reset challenge |
| 11:15.18 | nevcairiel | similar to hunter stampede, a huge boost, but in CMs you can only use it this often |
| 11:15.20 | VIad | so you have army from the start :p |
| 11:17.35 | VIad | I didnt CM in mop, kind of regretting now. but back then I wasnt really fond of pugging due to bad experiences. |
| 11:17.53 | VIad | still had my fair share of bad experiences in wod, just more motivated to keep going, when hfc came out. |
| 11:17.58 | nevcairiel | CM in mop was pretty easy at the end because of power creep |
| 11:18.07 | VIad | even when you get scaled? |
| 11:18.10 | nevcairiel | since gems worked in CMs |
| 11:18.19 | nevcairiel | and high end gear had lots of gems |
| 11:18.22 | VIad | oh |
| 11:18.50 | VIad | I guess the old cm gear is removed from game now? |
| 11:18.58 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 11:19.07 | VIad | shame this one gave you a weapon |
| 11:19.09 | nevcairiel | well if you obtained it you still have it of course =p |
| 11:19.14 | VIad | that will be replaced by your artifact anyway :p |
| 11:19.20 | VIad | of course |
| 11:19.31 | VIad | I guess legion CM more gear sets |
| 11:19.37 | VIad | I hope :p |
| 11:19.47 | nevcairiel | dont think legion CM has visual rewards as such |
| 11:19.54 | VIad | ah wait |
| 11:19.55 | nevcairiel | they revamped the entire system to be a source of gear |
| 11:19.56 | VIad | they remake it ofc |
| 11:20.01 | nevcairiel | no gold etc anymore |
| 11:20.03 | nevcairiel | just "levels" |
| 11:20.23 | VIad | maybe they add some level that unlocks a set of rewards |
| 11:20.26 | VIad | appropriate a "gold" |
| 11:20.43 | VIad | to a gold level completion* |
| 11:20.47 | nevcairiel | the problem with that is that gear is no longer scaling down in them |
| 11:20.54 | VIad | hmm |
| 11:20.55 | nevcairiel | so eventually it gets easier |
| 11:20.56 | VIad | but they scale up |
| 11:21.21 | VIad | at some point that 1000% damage buff to mobs when they enrage wont be doable for most people :p |
| 11:21.24 | nevcairiel | CMs are meant as a normal alternate progression path, so gear helps you to beat higher levels |
| 11:21.42 | VIad | remains to be seen how they do it |
| 11:21.57 | VIad | perhaps towards the end they dont scale the rewards that much, while the mobs keep scaling |
| 11:22.05 | VIad | making that though gap |
| 11:22.17 | VIad | and having a carrot on the end for those that can manage |
| 11:22.17 | nevcairiel | rewards will cap at some point, its not meant to exceed other source of gear |
| 11:22.32 | VIad | giving you some sweet artifact skins, e.g. |
| 11:22.55 | relaxok | the OnValueChanged script for QuestLogScrollFrameScrollBar is calling SetValue again |
| 11:23.07 | nevcairiel | its likely there will be some skins in CMs, but unlikely to be an entire new skin, more likely just a color variation |
| 11:23.15 | nevcairiel | there only are 5 models afterall |
| 11:23.32 | VIad | I think I am more hyped for the transmog/wardrobe |
| 11:23.37 | VIad | than I am for the rest of the features atm |
| 11:23.43 | VIad | wardrobe and the nameplates :p |
| 11:23.49 | nevcairiel | 2 base, one raid, one pvp, not sure where the last one comes from, but maybe for those solo players something to do |
| 11:24.15 | VIad | what kind of wearer are you, plate? |
| 11:24.23 | nevcairiel | leather |
| 11:24.42 | VIad | still quite a lot of gear |
| 11:24.50 | VIad | having all the looks unlocked and not taking bag space |
| 11:24.52 | VIad | *drool* |
| 11:25.02 | VIad | my bank is 95% bop gear I keep for looks |
| 11:25.07 | nevcairiel | i'm sad i cant unlock all old raid gear while running on one char |
| 11:25.15 | VIad | yes |
| 11:25.19 | nevcairiel | ie. for alts of other armor types |
| 11:25.25 | VIad | it kind of makes sense too |
| 11:25.38 | VIad | running 11 alts through a raid |
| 11:25.45 | VIad | getting all the gear in one week |
| 11:25.46 | VIad | :p |
| 11:26.08 | nevcairiel | but then again i dont really care about mogging my rarely played alts much |
| 11:26.18 | nevcairiel | maybe my warrior, but thats really where it ends :D |
| 11:26.22 | VIad | :D |
| 11:26.31 | VIad | looking forward to trying out D |
| 11:26.32 | VIad | DH* |
| 11:26.39 | VIad | it might become my alt tank if it plays well |
| 11:26.47 | VIad | mostly because I enjoy the built in glider kit :p |
| 11:27.07 | VIad | probably helps a bit in climbing too, shortcuts, e.g. |
| 11:27.19 | VIad | unless they add invisible walls around everywhere to counter that completely |
| 11:27.29 | nevcairiel | i already have so many tank alts, mostly because i dont like dpsing |
| 11:27.44 | nevcairiel | but will probably get a DH anyway |
| 11:27.48 | VIad | I enjoy tanking most, also allows you to have some control over your group :p |
| 11:28.10 | VIad | too often have I felt the dread of tanks playing badly then leaving after 30 min queue then having to wait for replacements |
| 11:28.15 | nevcairiel | I hope managing 3 artifacts on one char isnt going to be too painful |
| 11:28.47 | VIad | I suspect it will be okay, I mean, once 7.1 hits or 7.2 and you kind of feel like you have some time to do other things, you can pick up on your other artifact quest chains |
| 11:28.47 | nevcairiel | need healy for raiding, dpsy for soloing, and want tanky for fun :D |
| 11:29.04 | VIad | did you do archimonde mythic? |
| 11:29.06 | VIad | as healer |
| 11:29.17 | nevcairiel | no, we are not that far yet |
| 11:29.31 | VIad | tranq the chains and break chains asap |
| 11:29.35 | VIad | at least for heroic :p |
| 11:29.43 | VIad | rdruids really help make that trivial |
| 11:29.53 | VIad | having two around kind of negates the whole chain mechanic |
| 11:29.56 | nevcairiel | heroic is easy these days |
| 11:30.07 | VIad | yeah but even a bit back in time when it was more current |
| 11:30.18 | nevcairiel | but progress in mythic is going slow, we don't raid that many hours |
| 11:30.33 | VIad | if I had a guild I'd mythic probably but |
| 11:30.36 | VIad | pugging that shit, nah |
| 11:30.42 | VIad | with legion in half year... cba :p |
| 11:30.50 | VIad | pugging heroic is hard enough asit is |
| 11:30.55 | nevcairiel | should look for a legion guild then =p |
| 11:31.05 | VIad | cant I pug in leggion? :< |
| 11:31.15 | VIad | my plan was just to do like I did now, pug normal then heroic |
| 11:31.20 | VIad | in the legion raids |
| 11:31.24 | nevcairiel | pug raiding is just annoying imho |
| 11:31.40 | VIad | if I join a guild I would HAVE to be on to raid 2-3 days a week |
| 11:31.42 | VIad | at fixed times |
| 11:31.59 | VIad | I am a peacock, you have to let me fly my own style and raid when I want to |
| 11:32.06 | VIad | pugging at least provides that flexibility |
| 11:32.11 | VIad | downside being idiots :p |
| 11:33.10 | VIad | heard blizz said they would rework the friend list |
| 11:33.14 | VIad | to make it more friendly to use |
| 11:33.21 | VIad | hopefully it will be a cross account friend list |
| 11:33.29 | VIad | or realm group wide |
| 11:33.41 | VIad | something about easier with pugging |
| 11:33.46 | nevcairiel | thats what b.net is for |
| 11:33.50 | VIad | yeah but |
| 11:33.54 | VIad | its just a list |
| 11:33.57 | VIad | imagine google+ |
| 11:34.02 | VIad | if you can assign circles :p |
| 11:34.08 | VIad | I could put people in PUG Heroic raids |
| 11:34.09 | nevcairiel | not going to happen |
| 11:34.11 | VIad | pug heroic groups |
| 11:34.12 | VIad | e.g. |
| 11:34.17 | VIad | would be sweet |
| 11:34.18 | nevcairiel | you could make an addon for that |
| 11:34.21 | VIad | yeah maybe |
| 11:34.26 | nevcairiel | store info in the friend notes |
| 11:34.27 | VIad | the friend note |
| 11:34.30 | VIad | omg |
| 11:34.45 | VIad | friend list should at least be account wide imo |
| 11:34.58 | nevcairiel | hence, b.net =p |
| 11:35.10 | nevcairiel | also, there are addons that sync friend lists between characters :D |
| 11:35.12 | VIad | kind of living in the old era of 1 realm only |
| 11:35.38 | nevcairiel | i dont think i actually have character-based friends left on my list |
| 11:35.45 | nevcairiel | all got replaced with b.net friends over time |
| 11:35.53 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:36.08 | VIad | only bad part about bnet is maybe not having the control if you wish them to be a friend limited to one game or not |
| 11:36.12 | VIad | like realid is fine |
| 11:37.03 | VIad | wish they add alias feature to bnet |
| 11:37.10 | VIad | atm using my own addon to assign custom names :p |
| 11:37.30 | VIad | because I usually meet someone in some place and I know them as their character name in that game |
| 11:37.42 | VIad | doesn't help me much if they keep changing chars or names, confuses me who they are |
| 11:37.56 | nevcairiel | i put that in the note, and over time i just remember the name :D |
| 11:38.04 | VIad | I put it in the note |
| 11:38.14 | VIad | and my addon replaces their names in the chats to the name I put in the note :D |
| 11:40.05 | nevcairiel | i like how diablo practically ignores the character names, and just makes you interact with your player identity directly |
| 11:40.32 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:40.48 | VIad | I am sure they maybe aim for that in the long run |
| 11:41.03 | VIad | just wow having some old code from the old era that seem to be replaced ever so slowly |
| 11:41.15 | VIad | the new mixin templates seem interesting |
| 11:41.26 | VIad | any benefits regarding the secure handler system and such? |
| 11:41.33 | VIad | wonder how well they work together |
| 11:41.47 | VIad | or if I break everything if I do omething bad with a mixin template :p |
| 11:41.56 | VIad | maybe too early to tell |
| 11:49.22 | VIad | what is your gut feeling regarding the code you've seen in legion, nevcairiel? |
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| 12:08.02 | nevcairiel | I didnt look much at it yet, will when its closer to being relevant |
| 12:32.39 | VIad | didn't know about the term mixin but now I do! |
| 13:08.41 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/3fns4a/mythic_everbloom_skip_to_last_boss_hotfixed/ |
| 13:09.00 | VIad | that was the wrong link |
| 13:09.04 | VIad | https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3yinij/entire_us_voter_registration_record_leaks_191/ |
| 13:09.09 | VIad | there we go, nevcairiel! |
| 13:13.34 | VIad | that sure got your spirits up :d |
| 13:16.41 | VIad | we should make a wow addon using the 300 gb database |
| 13:17.08 | nevcairiel | Do I look like I am american |
| 13:17.28 | VIad | our own government might do the same, who knows |
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| 15:38.38 | mikma | shirik: https://youtu.be/XYoTrI5RE-k?t=45m40s |
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| 16:37.21 | Ressy | Fuck Corsair |
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| 16:47.42 | Simca_ | http://store.steampowered.com/app/3830 90% off psychonauts |
| 16:54.12 | Amarande | heh steam desperately trying to boost sales after losing the biggest weekend of the winter event? :| |
| 17:29.07 | Constie | No, they have a winter sale every year. |
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| 17:45.43 | Amarande | Constie: Yeah, I know, but this year they probably lost a *huge* chunk of the expected Christmas revenue, which is huge for a gaming company |
| 17:45.55 | Amarande | seeing that the whole cache fuckup and associated downtime happened RIGHT at Christmas |
| 17:46.19 | Amarande | might well impact them in the future too, families might decide not to buy Steam gift cards next year |
| 17:58.28 | Constie | I feel like 95% of people have already forgotten it happened. |
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| 18:06.26 | Amarande | Yeah, probably ... apart from anyone who had a steam gift card eaten (which seems like may have happened to some folks), and of course steam themselves are going to notice the lost sales, I'd at least assume they usually sell the most on Christmas and the weekend right after it |
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| 19:59.40 | zenzelezz | https://www.instagram.com/p/_3VZr7y3oq/ - yeah, killer... that's certainly the first thought that came to my mind... |
| 20:10.06 | kullervo | huh I wonder what this blue marker is in my naval missions |
| 20:10.12 | kullervo | can't ever keep up with my addons |
| 20:22.54 | foxlit | 100% success chance. |
| 20:23.20 | foxlit | (as opposed to the "your ships won't sink" green) |
| 20:46.21 | Simca_ | foxlit: minor note, but MP should probably consider a goblin ship with unsinkable and a low success chance (but higher average gold return) 'better' than the high success chance (with lower average gold return) |
| 20:46.38 | Simca_ | currently it's the second pick out of the two, I think |
| 20:47.34 | Simca_ | dunno how annoying it'd be to implement unsinkable stuff, but it seems popular now days with the 'minmax shipyard' crowd |
| 20:48.19 | foxlit | I think there's a contradiction somewhere in there, but I'm not sure if I'm parsing it correctly. |
| 20:48.56 | foxlit | what it should do at the moment is just pick whatever has the better expected return, assigning no value to surviving ships, so unsinkable doesn't really play into it. |
| 20:49.26 | foxlit | so (50%, 100g on success) > (100%, 25g on success) |
| 20:50.02 | Simca_ | ah, interesting. that's not what it was showing me earlier in terms of ordering. the higher success lower gold return was first |
| 20:53.22 | Simca_ | oh, i see. it's just the buttons where the ordering is like that. the eye dropdown still has it gold-ordered |
| 20:53.57 | foxlit | I should probably mess with trait avoidance values for unsinkable a bit, but that's quite far down the list, so maybe it won't actually matter most of the time. |
| 20:54.01 | foxlit | Could you screenshot it anyway? |
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| 20:56.48 | Simca_ | sure, https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UIJeFCCA6LnrNEqG604IrIAp97MrDdFsGYdytaCDMtI |
| 20:57.39 | foxlit | okay, that definitely isn't what I wanted it to do. |
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| 22:35.09 | Simca_ | i feel like minmaxxing my shipyard all of a sudden but nobody online has done the work for me |
| 22:35.25 | Simca_ | and i am too lazy to write a proper solution since that takes serious analysis |
| 22:37.02 | Simca_ | i wonder how long it'd take to run a simple simulation that takes a 10 ship lineup and randomly swaps either an equipment piece, crew, or ship type every iteration |
| 22:37.05 | Simca_ | and run it for say |
| 22:37.09 | Simca_ | 10 million iterations |
| 22:38.17 | Simca_ | that approach seems like the type of thing you could do in like 2 hours with C++ and a couple of csv files for input, which is much easier |
| 22:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | i accidentally minmaxed until one fateful day where i lost like 6 ships |
| 22:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | and since then i've had pretty bad luck with boats |
| 22:39.51 | Mr_Rabies | like i accidentally made a great counter against almost everything |
| 22:39.59 | Mr_Rabies | but the other thing just destryoed my entire fleet |
| 22:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 22:40.10 | Simca_ | yeah the simulation would consider sink rate |
| 22:40.22 | Simca_ | and probably end up equipping its ships with unsinkable |
| 22:42.16 | Semlar | considers simca's sink rate |
| 22:54.02 | Shirik | sink rate |
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| 22:54.33 | Shirik | is having flashbacks to developing approach controllers |
| 23:21.27 | foxlit | Simca_: or you could spend 50 hours learning Prolog, and have it solve the problem for you. |
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| 23:31.40 | foxlit | (I feel like it might be difficult to express in a cost metric why you'd want Unsinkable instead of a perfect counter to everything ever.) |
| 23:37.17 | Constie | Or Curry! |
| 23:41.33 | Semlar2 | puts foxlit's sink on his counter |
| 23:42.16 | foxlit | reports Semlar2 to Semlar4. |
| 23:42.23 | Semlar2 | ! |
| 23:55.40 | Semlar2 | mails foxlit a hoverboard |
| 23:57.44 | Neffi | omg, so violent, Semlar2 |
| 23:58.05 | Neffi | sending foxlit dangerous explosives that were even banned in many places! |
| 23:58.10 | Semlar2 | :( don't die foxlit |
| 23:58.25 | Neffi | sends Semlar2 a laptop with a faulty battery |
| 23:58.40 | Semlar2 | it'd be a shame if something were to.. happen |
