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| 00:51.52 | relaxok | also, how does the UIDropDownMenu show. where is the parent set.... |
| 01:02.29 | relaxok | ah it has no parent |
| 01:02.38 | relaxok | how is it visible then?! |
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| 01:15.16 | foxlit | you ask the silliest questions. |
| 01:19.16 | Semlar | we're all mad here |
| 01:23.01 | relaxok | foxlit that's not helpful =| |
| 01:23.23 | relaxok | this is literally the first time i'm realizing that stuff without a parent can be drawn |
| 01:24.29 | Semlar | a frame doesn't need a parent |
| 01:24.58 | Semlar | if it doesn't have one it's drawn relative to the screen itself |
| 01:26.48 | foxlit | that's more about what anchors do, Semlar. |
| 01:27.38 | Semlar | well, considering that's about the only difference in behavior between a frame with a parent and without one |
| 01:28.20 | Semlar | i guess i could have stopped at "frames can have no parent" |
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| 01:30.02 | relaxok | so i guess internally it doesnt just do like UIParent->draw() |
| 01:30.03 | relaxok | with children |
| 01:30.56 | Semlar | UIParent is just a regular frame |
| 01:32.12 | Semlar | you usually parent to it so your frame scales with the ui scale and gets hidden when the ui is |
| 01:32.50 | Semlar | but you could just as easily parent your frame to WorldFrame or nil |
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| 02:02.44 | relaxok | Semlar: so you think internally it just goes through every single frame was created in a big list, instead of hierarchically? |
| 02:03.01 | relaxok | that was created* |
| 02:03.30 | relaxok | then stuff thats not hidden goes into a list then sorts by strata/etc before rendering |
| 02:04.10 | Semlar | it basically treats no parent as being parented to a frame that covers the entire screen and can't be referenced |
| 02:04.16 | Semlar | i have no idea what goes on behind the scenes |
| 02:07.56 | relaxok | quite frustrating |
| 02:25.28 | pompy1 | lol ever since the Undercover Boss episode aired tonight, Nestle's Toll House Cafe's site has gone offline. |
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| 03:29.00 | Semlar | sets neffi clamped to screen |
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| 04:00.25 | relaxok | Semlar: any idea re: dropping spells on action bars |
| 04:00.26 | relaxok | ? |
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| 04:12.34 | Fisker | tired |
| 04:12.37 | Fisker | hug Cairenn |
| 04:13.46 | karl_w_w | gives Fisker a neck pillow |
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| 05:26.29 | Simca | http://www.pxr.dk/wowdev/wiki/index.php?title=DB2 fully doc'd WDB3/WDB4 formats for Legion, enjoy |
| 05:52.00 | karl_w_w | https://www.instagram.com/p/_uutvxq4WB/ |
| 06:04.15 | Simca | video game characters used in an ad campaign for fashion products |
| 06:04.21 | Simca | I can't say I saw that coming |
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| 06:28.32 | Mr_Rabies | how about manga characters in an art exhibit in the louvre? |
| 06:30.16 | Mr_Rabies | oh hmm, apparently it wasn't at the louvre? hmm |
| 06:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | aw yeah dang :x https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7LuZDGa-1A |
| 06:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | got it mixed up with the fact they sell one of his books at the louvre gift shop, lol |
| 06:53.14 | Semlar | relaxok: what do you mean? |
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| 08:39.49 | VIad | this was kind of cool. our host upgraded php/mysql to the latest major versions and it broke one particular part of the e-mail system |
| 08:40.18 | VIad | namely the last bit that performed a "update x set y = 1 where z = ('mail1', 'mail2', ...)" query |
| 08:40.46 | VIad | the proper syntax now is "z IN (...)" so each hour mails were sent to the same recipients because the database couldn't flag them as handled :p |
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| 09:11.49 | nevcairiel | the old syntax looks broken for any version :D |
| 09:15.50 | VIad | worked until last week before the update, thats the weird part :p |
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| 11:04.02 | jleclanche | anyone in here has a nexus device? |
| 11:05.00 | Semlar | so did wowinterface ever re-enable the ability to embed youtube videos in a post |
| 11:15.25 | Semlar | it looks like phanx complained about it here http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48717 and then we lost it forever |
| 11:17.31 | VIad | [yt] or [youtube] tag and we are done, or? |
| 11:17.41 | VIad | disable the automatic youtube url to iframe plugin :p |
| 11:18.14 | VIad | vbulletin probably has bbcode creation so we can make a youtube bbcode tag for those that wish to embed youtube videos |
| 11:18.18 | Semlar | dolby posted in that thread but i don't know what happened with it |
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| 11:36.43 | VIad | [semlar]any code[/semlar] should translate into cobol |
| 11:36.58 | Semlar | it should translate into gibberish |
| 11:37.34 | VIad | :D |
| 11:47.20 | nevcairiel | and the difference to cobol is |
| 11:49.08 | Semlar | i am pretty sure my car was designed to fall apart |
| 11:49.38 | Semlar | there's no way these parts weren't intended to fail |
| 11:50.18 | Semlar | this piece of shit plastic bushing they have holding the gear shift together has broken twice in the time i've had it |
| 11:51.23 | Semlar | thank god it hasn't happened while i've been out parked somewhere away from home because it renders the car into a paperweight |
| 11:59.43 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i could zip tie this together and it would work better than it did before |
| 12:34.24 | VIad | just build your own car, Semlar http://www.prismz.com/automite/ |
| 12:34.45 | Semlar | no |
| 12:35.04 | VIad | it's only $300 |
| 12:35.28 | VIad | you can just make a new one if it malfunctions, no more expensive repairs |
| 12:35.52 | Semlar | most repairs are going to be under $300 on my car |
| 12:36.08 | Semlar | plus it's an actual car |
| 12:36.41 | VIad | I sense the no true scotsman fallacy |
| 12:36.54 | VIad | you just don't want to be eco friendly |
| 12:38.47 | VIad | joking aside |
| 12:38.55 | VIad | legion addon invites anytime soon? |
| 12:39.43 | VIad | or maybe not before addons get enabled, maybe end of Q1 |
| 12:40.40 | VIad | Semlar: do you have a invite and are not willing to share it with me? |
| 12:41.24 | Semlar | it's not even in beta, they aren't likely to enable addons until a month or two before release |
| 12:43.39 | Semlar | i'm wondering i my parking break is enough to keep my car from rolling forward while it's in drive or if i'm going to hurt myself doing this |
| 13:08.52 | Neffi | wat |
| 13:13.06 | Semlar | neffi |
| 13:14.03 | Semlar | the cable connecting the shifter knob to the shift lever under the hood has either snapped, or more likely slipped off one of the ends |
| 13:17.35 | Semlar | i'm pretty confident it's the plastic ring that holds the cable to the shifter that's broken |
| 13:17.59 | Semlar | but i need to take the console apart to get at it |
| 13:18.07 | Semlar | and my car is on the other side of town |
| 13:19.48 | VIad | only tip I have Semlar, don't use your handbrake if it can get very cold, so it doesn't freeze like that one morning :p |
| 13:20.10 | Semlar | i'm not too worried about it getting cold |
| 13:20.35 | Semlar | it's about 80 degrees here |
| 13:21.46 | Semlar | the car is stuck in park, but i can reach under the hood to change gears, i was thinking about putting it in reverse, pulling out, putting the ebrake on and going under the hood to put it into drive |
| 13:22.03 | Semlar | but i don't want my car to run me over while i'm doing that |
| 13:22.27 | Neffi | :( |
| 13:22.36 | Neffi | be careful man |
| 13:22.42 | Semlar | and i don't want to have it towed for something so stupid |
| 13:25.14 | Semlar | neffi find me some zipties |
| 13:25.25 | Semlar | i don't know what i did with them |
| 13:34.33 | Neffi | :/ |
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| 13:42.49 | Semlar | alright fine, fetch me my duct tape! |
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| 14:06.33 | VIad | Semlar: duck tape |
| 14:07.06 | VIad | I am pretty sure you mean duck tape. |
| 14:07.56 | VIad | https://www.google.no/search?q=duck+tape&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X#tbm=isch&q=duck+tape&nfpr=1 |
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| 14:15.22 | VIad | maybe Semlar needs less duck tape and more cobol snippets |
| 14:18.13 | VIad | we need a library so we can code addons in cobol and the library makes it work with the lua engine |
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| 14:23.47 | karl_w_w | VIad redefining "need" since 2015 |
| 14:23.59 | nevcairiel | does that fall under the no obfuscation rule |
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| 15:50.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:50.19 | Fisker | usmart? |
| 15:52.11 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 15:52.13 | Shirik | ismart |
| 15:52.17 | Shirik | this guy notsmart: https://i.gyazo.com/4fe1c1672585203ed70bec11dbda036d.png |
| 15:53.34 | Gnarfoz | VIad: duct tape |
| 15:53.41 | VIad | I know Gnarfoz |
| 15:53.46 | nevcairiel | he was making a joke :( |
| 15:53.51 | Gnarfoz | about ducks? :O |
| 15:53.53 | VIad | but I enjoy googling the duck tape on google |
| 15:56.50 | Semlar | good news neffi |
| 15:57.11 | Semlar | i got my car back http://i.imgur.com/pWk4XlF.jpg |
| 16:01.25 | Fisker | good Shirik |
| 16:02.19 | Fisker | how much winapi you know Shirik ? |
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| 16:10.40 | Shirik | Fisker: a lot |
| 16:10.42 | Shirik | sadly |
| 16:10.50 | Shirik | I've even written windows drivers :( |
| 16:13.08 | Fisker | Good |
| 16:15.12 | Fisker | Can you send wm_quit from one app to another? |
| 16:15.14 | VIad | Shirik: do you recommend writing a driver once for the learning/exp?= |
| 16:16.04 | Shirik | Fisker: you wouldn't send the message directly |
| 16:16.19 | Shirik | but you can request a close if you get the window handle |
| 16:18.00 | Shirik | VIad: I really like the networking area |
| 16:18.13 | Shirik | I think it's well-architected and you can make a driver as simple or as complex as you need it to be |
| 16:18.19 | Fisker | Not even sure if it qualifies as having a window handle |
| 16:18.43 | Shirik | and it exposes you to all the critical areas, like IRQLs, DPCs, |
| 16:18.57 | Shirik | so it should give you a level of familiarity applicable to all drivers |
| 16:19.01 | Fisker | We're just running into an issue where the application is stuck in a wait and we were trying to force close it in various ways |
| 16:19.17 | Shirik | I would recommend trying to make a virtual ethernet miniport driver |
| 16:19.26 | Shirik | Microsoft also has a sample one on github somewhere |
| 16:19.31 | Fisker | And we stumbled onto someone trying to do it using wm_quit |
| 16:19.39 | Shirik | Fisker: if you want to force close it, why not just get the process handle and kill it? |
| 16:19.48 | Fisker | Can't |
| 16:19.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:20.02 | Fisker | There's some kind of lock on it |
| 16:20.27 | Fisker | You get an access denied if you use it normal tools |
| 16:20.37 | Shirik | if you have administrative rights you could declare yourself to be a debugger, though that's kinda a hack |
| 16:20.44 | Shirik | that would probably get around it |
| 16:21.30 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i tried to make a virtual audio miniport driver for work, that shit is complicated |
| 16:21.42 | Shirik | anyway you COULD post WM_QUIT if you want to, but it's kinda weird |
| 16:21.45 | Fisker | Not even the debugger can do it I believe Shirik |
| 16:21.47 | Shirik | but what you're trying to do is weird |
| 16:22.02 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I haven't messed with audio, but I'm not surprised it's complicated. That all lives in a real-time world. |
| 16:22.24 | Shirik | ethernet the worst that can happen is you have poor throughput or latency |
| 16:22.31 | Shirik | but audio if it's not fast enough, it just straight up doesn't work |
| 16:22.36 | Fisker | Yeah we were trying to find out just how fucked up the process was |
| 16:22.39 | nevcairiel | well it crackles then |
| 16:22.46 | Shirik | I call that not working :P |
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| 16:23.02 | Fisker | Found an utility that does everything from wm_quit to using a driver in kernel mode to kill it |
| 16:23.03 | nevcairiel | doesnt help that documentation is like non-existant |
| 16:23.26 | Shirik | I've been using win10 documentation. Maybe it's been improved? |
| 16:23.36 | Shirik | I found the networking layer documentation to be quite comprehensive |
| 16:31.17 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: process hacker 2 -> right click process -> misc -> Terminator -> have fun |
| 16:32.12 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/7nhJaiZ.png something of that should hopefully work |
| 16:32.35 | Fisker | That's what I was talking about |
| 16:33.10 | Fisker | We were kind of wondering about the wm_quit one as apparently it's not something that's supposed to be sent to an application as such |
| 16:33.25 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 16:37.21 | fewyn | i love when usps delivers amazon prime packages in 1 day instead of two |
| 16:37.45 | Gnarfoz | I love that my country is small enough that that is the norm |
| 16:38.18 | nevcairiel | you know this new thing we have here |
| 16:38.20 | nevcairiel | zero day delivery |
| 16:39.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah, only available in a select few places |
| 16:39.14 | Gnarfoz | yours possibly amoung them, big city boy! :D |
| 16:39.22 | fewyn | ^ |
| 16:39.24 | nevcairiel | not sure |
| 16:39.33 | Gnarfoz | -u |
| 16:39.42 | fewyn | i'm in central ohio nearest amazon warehouse with the stuff i was ordering was in TN |
| 16:40.03 | Gnarfoz | isn't that... still pretty close? |
| 16:40.19 | nevcairiel | close is relative in the US |
| 16:40.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah ^^ |
| 16:40.31 | nevcairiel | its probably like an entire germany in between |
| 16:40.36 | fewyn | yep |
| 16:40.39 | fewyn | something like that |
| 16:40.53 | Gnarfoz | need "distance to Germanys" calculator |
| 16:41.04 | fewyn | it's like 8 hours |
| 16:41.11 | fewyn | from here to Chattanooga TN |
| 16:41.32 | fewyn | and that's driving at freeway speeds |
| 16:41.35 | nevcairiel | definitely an entire germany |
| 16:41.39 | fewyn | pretty much the entire time |
| 16:41.44 | nevcairiel | although considering US freeway speeds |
| 16:41.50 | nevcairiel | maybe three quarters |
| 16:41.54 | fewyn | ~70mph |
| 16:41.59 | Gnarfoz | http://overlapmaps.com/print.php?defaultZoom=3&defaultLat=39.622&defaultLng=-98.606&country_id=US&compare_country_id=DE®ions_id=2316&compare_regions_id=&cities_id=&compare_cities_id=&rivers_id=&rivers_name=&compare_rivers_id=&compare_rivers_name=&zoomMap=3&compare_disaster_id=&disaster_id= |
| 16:42.01 | fewyn | is the speedlimit for most of it |
| 16:42.30 | Gnarfoz | nice page, would use again (although... those get parameters.) |
| 16:42.47 | Gnarfoz | (ok, my fault, they do provide a bit.ly link) |
| 16:42.58 | fewyn | america is huge yo |
| 16:43.30 | Gnarfoz | but hey, trucks are not allowed to go 70 mp/h in Germany :D |
| 16:43.39 | Gnarfoz | anyway, point stands, a lot less ground to cover, here |
| 16:44.11 | nevcairiel | even our speed limited autobahnen are faster than 70mph usually |
| 16:44.21 | Gnarfoz | but not for trucks |
| 16:44.21 | nevcairiel | assuming 120 being the limit |
| 16:44.30 | nevcairiel | i doubt their trucks do 70 mph |
| 16:44.31 | fewyn | wanders off to work |
| 16:44.34 | nevcairiel | but i may be wrong |
| 16:44.41 | Gnarfoz | maybe. they're crazy over there. :> |
| 16:45.24 | Gnarfoz | 120 km/h is the most common speed limit, probably |
| 16:45.56 | Gnarfoz | 130 is already the "recommended travel speed" so limits above that kind of don't make sense |
| 16:46.11 | Gnarfoz | never seen any, either. 130 is the highest limit I've seen so far |
| 16:46.12 | nevcairiel | yeah dont think i've ever seen limits above 130 |
| 16:46.21 | nevcairiel | its either below or unlimited |
| 16:46.41 | Gnarfoz | I like the stretches of road works with 60 km/h limits... so relaxing |
| 16:46.41 | Gnarfoz | :P |
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| 17:15.41 | Dagmar | I've only seen 80mph as the posted speed in the US _once_. |
| 17:25.11 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/1183519e/status/680062576974258179 :D |
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| 17:27.10 | Stanzilla | I think we have a few 160 limits |
| 17:27.13 | Stanzilla | not sure though |
| 17:27.16 | Stanzilla | I dont go outside anymore |
| 17:27.58 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I dont get it |
| 17:36.35 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: that's from 32C3 |
| 17:37.10 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yeah I still don't get what's special about the traceroute :( |
| 17:37.34 | Gnarfoz | do you think there's fritzboxen there? :p |
| 17:37.46 | Stanzilla | probably not but maybe? |
| 17:37.49 | Gnarfoz | guess I should post it in ##networking ;p |
| 17:38.35 | Gnarfoz | there's 1000s of clients, they're just having fun with their router naming ;) |
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| 18:04.31 | Arrow|work | i dont get it |
| 18:04.55 | Dagmar | I'm just assuming there's some kind of inside joke |
| 18:05.06 | Dagmar | ...like seeing warez.* hostnames |
| 18:05.43 | Arrow|work | those ping times to the first hop suck though |
| 18:05.59 | Dagmar | dyce: fallacy of availability |
| 18:06.00 | Dagmar | @#$#@ |
| 18:28.48 | fewyn_ | yawn |
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| 20:45.17 | Mr_Rabies | awww yiss |
| 20:45.19 | Mr_Rabies | repaired my monitor |
| 20:45.32 | Mr_Rabies | folks, don't throw out your monitors, learn to solder instead |
| 20:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | unless you just want a good excuse to upgrade :V |
| 20:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | slight burn was worth saving ~$250 |
| 20:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | turns out the solder i got spits a lot and learned that the hard way |
| 20:47.22 | Dagmar | ...also it turns out a flyback transformer is a valuable teaching tool. |
| 20:52.35 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: you didn't try to mix lead and non-lead solder did you |
| 20:53.04 | Amarande | sadly, shitty RoHS solder can only be repaired with other shitty RoHS solder, you can't mix it with the lead stuff apparently |
| 20:53.18 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:53.31 | Dagmar | I have a small stash of the old stuff and no one's ever taking it from me |
| 20:53.48 | Amarande | yeah, seems that the lead stuff is extremely popular among enthusiasts :) |
| 20:53.51 | Amarande | keep the torch :) |
| 20:54.08 | Dagmar | The rosin-core kind is insanely easier to deal with |
| 20:54.16 | Amarande | hell, the whole let's do away with lead solder stuff was totally lame anyway |
| 20:54.26 | Amarande | I mean, did they really think kids were going to eat computer motherboards |
| 20:56.19 | karl_w_w | yeah rocket league is amazing |
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| 20:57.40 | Dagmar | RayTracer: This isn't obvious to you? |
| 21:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | nah, Amarande |
| 21:03.12 | Mr_Rabies | not 100% sure if the stuff i use was leaded or not but i desoldered fairly well |
| 21:03.19 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 21:03.22 | Mr_Rabies | the stuff they used |
| 21:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | you can definitely still buy leaded solder, it's way cheaper than say, silver solder |
| 21:06.56 | Mr_Rabies | with good equipment, i prefer silver solder, personally |
| 21:07.19 | Mr_Rabies | with temperature control, etc |
| 21:08.25 | Amarande | yeah, you can buy leaded solder as an enthusiast, but pretty much no device can be made with it anymore commercially thanks to RoHS and such |
| 21:08.39 | Amarande | and apparently, if you try to mix leaded and unleaded solders problems happen |
| 21:09.00 | Amarande | so if you're working on repairing a commercially made device you could be pretty much forced to use the unleaded |
| 21:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | it mostly just doesn't quite melt together since it takes more than just two molten metals touching to make an alloy |
| 21:10.00 | Amarande | (pretty sure only the military gets to use leaded solder on a mass scale anymore ... they do it because they're sane, and have the knowledge AND the clout to avoid lameness like RoHS) |
| 21:10.44 | Amarande | there's actually been accusations that RoHS was implemented as the next great means of enforcing disposability on electronics, heh ... not sure if that's tinfoil hat or actually has a grain of truth |
| 21:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | most of the time you're probably okay but a clean, fully wet solder is way better than a weird mix of metals |
| 21:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | basically think of mixing chocolate and vanilla pudding very loosely then freezing it |
| 21:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | and that's what the solder's gonna do |
| 21:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 21:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | not quite |
| 21:12.17 | Amarande | it's a little notable that it popped up pretty much around the time cap plague was dying out, though :) |
| 21:12.32 | Semlar | and you get a pudding pop? |
| 21:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | cap plague is my menace this week |
| 21:12.46 | Mr_Rabies | fixed two monitors so far |
| 21:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | got one more to fix |
| 21:13.01 | Amarande | back in the day, the steady purchase churn of electronics was enforced simply by the larger scale of improvements electronics had back then |
| 21:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | lcd power boards from 2008ish apparently used the rest of the shitty capacitors |
| 21:13.35 | Amarande | then you had the cap plague age where repeat sales were assured (if unintentionally) by the fact that capacitors sucked and caused device failure after a while |
| 21:13.44 | Amarande | then that stopped being a thing, so now we have RoHS that enforces the use of shitty solder |
| 21:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | eh really the only downside to leadfree solder is it's harder to melt with a $10 soldering iron |
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| 21:14.28 | Mr_Rabies | and you do somewhat risk damaging more components from the extra heat if you don't work fast |
| 21:14.53 | Mr_Rabies | since most industrial solder uses wave-soldering that's not a huge deal |
| 21:14.59 | Amarande | ... and then I suppose people learned to use the leadfree solder well, so now we don't have any real way of getting people to have to buy new electronics as often, so "the pc is dying" :) |
| 21:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | this samsung power board definitely had some hand-done repairs to it from the factory, though |
| 21:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | the capacitors i replaced had a clear sign that someone did it by hand, compared to wave-soldering |
| 21:15.45 | Amarande | heh, and managed to replace it with a plaguey cap |
| 21:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | yup :( |
| 21:16.02 | Amarande | it's sad that even as vaunted a company as samsung was afflicted with that |
| 21:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | i got a nice nichicon one |
| 21:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | in there now |
| 21:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | to be fair the capacitor did last 7 years so i can't get too too mad |
| 21:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | and it was still working okay until i lost power the other day for several hours |
| 21:16.41 | VIad | lol, first time I read about manspreading and mansplaining - wtf |
| 21:16.48 | VIad | is this a joke or just feminist thing? |
| 21:16.54 | Mr_Rabies | can't it be both |
| 21:17.18 | Amarande | VIad: I've lost track of the whole gender relations powball lately, heh |
| 21:17.42 | VIad | they have their own wiki articles lol |
| 21:17.46 | Amarande | also as to what the proper definition of "feminist" even is anymore |
| 21:17.54 | VIad | shrug |
| 21:18.11 | Amarande | because there's at least two distinct types, there's the ones that feel that women should have equality and the same opportunities and rights as men |
| 21:18.22 | Amarande | which is a good idea that you'd have to be a bigoted douche to disagree with :) |
| 21:18.40 | VIad | sitting with your legs spread on the seat is just because balls I guess :p |
| 21:19.00 | Amarande | and then there's the ones that feel like men need to be made into second class citizens, that heterosexual activity is inherently rape, and all that other radical crazy stuff you hear |
| 21:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | problem is the fundie feminists are scaring normal people away from the idea in general |
| 21:19.17 | Dagmar | VIad: Generally it's just a thinly-veiled fallacy |
| 21:19.40 | Dagmar | "Mansplaining" is generally just another ad-hominem |
| 21:20.00 | Amarande | and by "powball", I mean one of those cartoon clouds with the "POW!" and stars coming out of it when everyone's fighting |
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| 21:20.18 | Dagmar | It's a way of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and declaring that the other person's opinion is invalid because of their gender |
| 21:20.32 | Dagmar | _Not_ a word anyone actually interested in gender-equality would ever use |
| 21:20.55 | Amarande | mind you, the fundies will learn better in the future, the way things seem to be going |
| 21:21.04 | Dagmar | I doubt it |
| 21:21.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: as in, once the robots take over, the fact that you have chromosomes at all will make you a second class citizen, no matter whether you have two X's or not :P |
| 21:21.33 | Dagmar | We had another phrase to describe these people _before_ they got the idea to become SJWs. |
| 21:21.39 | Dagmar | We called them "attention whores" |
| 21:21.53 | Mr_Rabies | problem is they're getting the attention now :( |
| 21:22.06 | Mr_Rabies | from politicians, content creators, media, etc |
| 21:22.30 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: part of the problem is that everything seems to inevitably degenerate into a rocket-tag where defence as such is nearly worthless |
| 21:22.31 | Dagmar | "Hey everyone! I see this problem that no one else sees, so everyone should listen to me and my wonderful explanation of how to fix it. ...and if you disagree it's because you're a part of the problem and everyone should only listen to me. Me me me!" |
| 21:22.48 | Amarande | so when someone goes on the attack strongly enough, there's not much you can do unless you can successfully attack back without it backfiring in your face |
| 21:23.01 | Dagmar | Treat them as the attention whores they are and they rapidly self-destruct |
| 21:23.11 | Amarande | eventually folks like anonymous get in on the act, and you can't counter them |
| 21:23.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: Ther'es no problem that can't be made worse by the addition of a few hundred random lunatics |
| 21:23.52 | Amarande | and on top of that, there is no defence to DDoS, so people start caving in to stop seeing their resources steadily eroded by various attacks from causes that might otherwise get dismissed |
| 21:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | they're getting laws passed that support their madness, it scares the shit out of me |
| 21:24.48 | Amarande | sadly, it seems an irrefutable principle that in any arms-and-armour type race, too, armour ALWAYS loses in the end |
| 21:24.56 | Dagmar | Well, don't fall afoul of their madness and begin declaring there to be enemies everywhere |
| 21:25.06 | Amarande | with the result that everything has to degenerate into attack, counterattack, or submission |
| 21:25.20 | Dagmar | Simply _wait_ until they show their faces and treat them the way you treat any other sort of attention whore. |
| 21:25.38 | Mr_Rabies | something like this sounds good at cursory glance, but you read into it and there are some terrifying implications http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf |
| 21:28.05 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Actually a great deal of that looks like it was written to make the Special Snowflake committe shut the hell up |
| 21:28.37 | Amarande | Speaking of which, *has* there ever been an escalating arms-and-armour race that ended with an impenetrable defence, instead of an irresistible attack? |
| 21:28.53 | Amarande | (I'm not even sure if the laws of thermodynamics even allow that situation, because destruction is always favoured) |
| 21:28.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: "Being an adult". ;) |
| 21:30.10 | Amarande | but yeah, you have things like DDoS internet attacks and doxxing in the mix and people are afraid to counter SJWs |
| 21:30.26 | Mr_Rabies | well, there's the personal victory, which is easy enough, but when actual laws and culture are being shaped by these folks it's a totally different thing |
| 21:30.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's where being an adult comes in handy |
| 21:31.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: doesn't really help when even being a rational adult gets you regarded as "the enemy" as is the case for some |
| 21:31.37 | Amarande | and where the ISP industry has decided that being the VICTIM of an attack is usually an offence |
| 21:31.50 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: There's two problems in play that that PDF addresses. One is the Special Snowflake throwing a tantrum because someone didn't use their proper gender pronoun. The other is to force the few remaining prudes to STFU and stop peeping over stall dividers to make sure people have "the right equipment" |
| 21:32.05 | Dagmar | Meanwhile the rest of us who DGAF can get actual work done |
| 21:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | in the end the cultural marxists' goal is nothing short of the destruction of western culture, and we have lawmakers supporting their goals |
| 21:33.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: I don't care if mental midgets declare me to be their sworn enemy |
| 21:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | here's the thing though, businesses can get fined up to $250,000 for even accidentally misgendering someone under this law, including "gender nonconforming individuals" |
| 21:33.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: If anything it's probably an accurate representation of the world around them |
| 21:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | so you have to hope you know someone's gender they invented or you can face a lawsuit in NYC |
| 21:33.25 | Amarande | Dagmar: your ISP probably does, though |
| 21:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | a massive lawsuit, at that |
| 21:33.46 | Amarande | if you get attacked with a DDoS, they consider that *you* violating the Ts & Cs, even though *you* never committed an offence |
| 21:33.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Being that I've worked for a few ISPs I can understand their position. They can either give a customer the boot, or their entire infrastructure will continue to suffer |
| 21:34.12 | Fisker | becomes murloc and mrgrllgrlls Cairenn |
| 21:34.22 | Amarande | still remember getting DoS'd once back in my dialup days even. had to send tcpdump logs to concentric to get them off my back, they were trying to get me to upgrade to business dialup for $245 a month due to "too much usage" LOL |
| 21:34.25 | Dagmar | I've yet to see one codify being the target of an attack as a customer violation |
| 21:36.02 | Dagmar | One thing that can generally be counted on is that since the attention whore is manufacturing their own enemies, over the long term, they simply can't keep devoting their time to just one enemy |
| 21:36.13 | Dagmar | They _will_ eventually wear themselves out and wander off. |
| 21:36.26 | Dagmar | Meanwhile, the rest of us aren't likely to get tired of being reasonable adults. |
| 21:37.33 | Amarande | (also, can you believe business dialup once cost $245 a month? heh) |
| 21:37.39 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 21:37.51 | Cairenn | hugs all the peoples |
| 21:37.59 | Mr_Rabies | what about all the animals, Cairenn |
| 21:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | what about all the animals |
| 21:38.14 | Cairenn | I always hug all the animals |
| 21:38.21 | Cairenn | They're people too |
| 21:38.23 | Amarande | Afternoon Cairenn :) |
| 21:38.26 | Cairenn | Hi hi |
| 21:40.26 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 21:40.52 | VIad | wonder if legion finally adds taxi api to estimate flight times |
| 21:41.17 | Amarande | VIad: yeah, why isn't that a thing, it's not like it's even hard to datamine |
| 21:41.19 | Dagmar | I've had my gf fuss at me along the lines of "Did you just tell me to "come along" like you do the cat?" |
| 21:41.30 | Amarande | just tedious, since you have to take each flight path to get the time, but then it stays the same |
| 21:41.55 | Amarande | hence how I know funtimes like how it took almost 20 minutes as a hordie to get to Karazhan back in the day |
| 21:42.01 | Dagmar | What she didn't get was that I have more esteem for the cats than she realizes. heh |
| 21:42.34 | Dagmar | I treat animals like people, and people like people. |
| 21:43.02 | Dagmar | Okay well, "people who might chew on the furniture" but everyone has friends like that |
| 21:45.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: didn't the Muppet Babies have just such a person, who was oddly enough named Animal? :) |
| 21:45.12 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 21:45.27 | Dagmar | ...who was also in The Muppets. |
| 21:45.38 | Dagmar | ...you hipster. |
| 21:45.43 | Amarande | ahhhh, growing up in the good old 80s and 90s |
| 21:46.04 | Amarande | Gumby in the morning before school, USA gameshow reruns in the afternoon, Muppet Babies and Garfield on Saturdays :) |
| 21:46.58 | Amarande | I'm not sure I really got to see the grown-up Muppets as much, that tended to be on in the evenings and I didn't have as much say over the TV then |
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| 21:47.29 | Amarande | Fraggle Rock was a thing, not so much the Muppets |
| 21:47.34 | Dagmar | Well, at least you can still understand what people mean when they say "*muppet arms*" |
| 21:47.59 | Dagmar | Like, 'Auuugh! Tornado warnings! *muppet arms*' |
| 21:48.36 | kd3 | hm, that reminds me |
| 21:48.42 | kd3 | tabs open a weather site... |
| 21:49.07 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm starting to think that Christmas Tornado Season may be turning into a regular thing |
| 21:49.37 | Amarande | my poor fiancee has no less than seven active alerts on her zip code tonight on weatherbug :( |
| 21:49.39 | kd3 | I'm at my parents' place just west of atlanta. the band's getting here now |
| 21:49.44 | Amarande | at least none of them are tornado |
| 21:49.53 | kd3 | I probably should keep an eye on that since my phone still thinks I'm in oakland |
| 21:50.23 | Dagmar | Just so long as I can get mah stuff moved into the new apartment in between the ice tornadoes and blackouts |
| 21:51.14 | Dagmar | I walked out the door this morning with a thick hoodie on, forgetting that Winter has abandoned it's mandate this week |
| 21:52.00 | Amarande | kd3: well rate things are going ... it won't really matter if half the houses in georgia get smashed to matchwood, seeing that about half the people in georgia soon won't be able to afford houses anyway thanks to the idiots running the voter rolls :p |
| 21:52.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: still in Connecticut? |
| 21:53.16 | Dagmar | Amarande; Nope. Nashville. |
| 21:53.33 | Amarande | tonight's supposed to be the first major winter weather episode of the season here in western CT |
| 21:53.54 | Dagmar | On the 23rd or so my phone didn't shut up about various tornado warnings for several hours running. |
| 21:54.05 | Amarande | freezing rain and sleet tonight into tomorrow morning |
| 21:54.08 | Dagmar | It's presently 68F. |
| 21:54.14 | Amarande | glad I'm off today and don't work till 2 tomorrow afternoon |
| 21:54.17 | Dagmar | I had my windows open all last night |
| 21:54.18 | kd3 | I'm kinda annoyed by the weather. I only packed 2 short-sleeve shirts |
| 21:54.30 | kd3 | it's been up in the 70s the whole time I've been here |
| 21:54.40 | Amarande | I'm not a fan of long sleeve shirts in general, no matter the weather |
| 21:55.03 | Amarande | hate having to keep buying replacements because the cuffs get worn and day-to-day dinge doesn't wash out well in the crappy hard water we have here in CT |
| 21:55.41 | Amarande | so nearly my whole wardrobe is short sleeved |
| 22:02.22 | karl_w_w | oh interesting, if u mark something as not interested in steam discovery queue, it will stop recommending/featuring that game anywhere in steam |
| 22:04.59 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 22:05.19 | Simca_ | that's what it does, INSTEAD of altering future queue recommentations |
| 22:05.49 | Simca_ | their reasoning is 'what if your preferences changed and you started liking that type of game' is which is a lazy excuse to justify not coding that functionality |
| 22:06.07 | Dagmar | It lets you reduce noticeably the number of lame video games that seem to think "procedurally generated" is buzzword that people need like vitamin B6 |
| 22:07.51 | Dagmar | I kinda wish _that_ could be scripted |
| 22:08.42 | Dagmar | There's an absoute _glut_ of "Space Adventure Multiplayer RPGs with Crafting" games in Steam right now |
| 22:09.01 | Dagmar | Most of which appear notably inferior to games coded in 1998 |
| 22:09.08 | Amarande | heh, procedurally generated games on steam :( |
| 22:09.11 | Amarande | wow, gabe, just wow |
| 22:09.27 | Amarande | meanwhile in the DOOM community we've been rejecting SLIGE levels from idgames with extreme prejudice for years :) |
| 22:10.36 | Dagmar | I know I've smacked the "Not Interested" button on at least 15 such pieces of crapware this week |
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| 22:11.59 | Elronhubbard | Hi. What is the best way to extract a string of numbers into individual variables? i.e temp ="0123456789" and I want var1 = 0 var2 =1 etc. |
| 22:13.07 | Elronhubbard | I've tried local var1 = string.sub(temp, 1,1); That works for the first number, but string.sub(temp, 2,1) returns "23456789". |
| 22:13.32 | Elronhubbard | actually it returns "123456789" |
| 22:14.52 | Dagmar | Third argument isn't length afaik |
| 22:14.53 | kd3 | string.split(yourString,'') |
| 22:15.39 | Dagmar | Elronhubbard; wait until you see what string.sub(temp, 2,3) returns... but do it the way kd3 sez to |
| 22:15.59 | kd3 | (you can split on the empty string, which is exactly what you're trying to do) |
| 22:17.50 | Elronhubbard | string.sub(temp, 2,3) returns "12". I'll try the split. |
| 22:17.57 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.sub |
| 22:18.32 | foxlit | It sounds like you're calling functions that seem right without ever bothering to check what they actually want from you. |
| 22:19.36 | Amarande | yeah, string.sub is not MID$ :) |
| 22:20.53 | Dagmar | Elronhubbard: I know what it returns. The question is whether or not you realize that both i and j are indexes, not index and length |
| 22:21.03 | Dagmar | lua's a bit weird about that |
| 22:21.29 | Elronhubbard | I didn't understand they were indexes. Thanks |
| 22:21.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.34 | Dagmar | It does make a few things less painful tho |
| 22:22.19 | Elronhubbard | We know you're the best foxlit. You don't have to belittle the noobs trying to learn to expose how great you are. |
| 22:23.43 | foxlit | This approach to programming is rubbish, and the sooner you're rid of it the better. |
| 22:29.03 | Dagmar | Oh come now... Microsoft has built an entire empire on the basis of "Try It And See" design |
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| 23:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | aaand there's monitor #3 |
| 23:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | geez |
| 23:25.55 | Mr_Rabies | acer monitors are a pain to work on jfyi |
| 23:27.47 | kullervo | Oh? |
| 23:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm repairing monitors for myself and my parents' company today, now that i have soldering supplies |
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| 23:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | all of them had capacitors on the power board go out |
| 23:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | two acers and one samsung (mine) |
| 23:31.07 | Dagmar | Who wants to start a pool on the first electricution? |
| 23:31.09 | Mr_Rabies | literally all of their acers have had the same issue, lol |
| 23:31.38 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Wait... these are flat panels aren't they |
| 23:31.54 | Amarande | Yeah, electrocution was a CRT thing Dagmar :) |
| 23:31.58 | Mr_Rabies | but all these monitors were purchased in 2008, which basicaly marks the end of the era of capacitor plague being a real thing |
| 23:32.06 | Mr_Rabies | and you definitely can get electrocuted from flat panels |
| 23:32.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, it was a lot more _serious_ issue with CRts anyway |
| 23:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | they have some nasty capacitors on them too |
| 23:32.24 | Mr_Rabies | especially ones with CCFL backlights |
| 23:32.38 | Dagmar | It just stings a bit when you touch the angry parts of a flat-panel's circuitry |
| 23:32.51 | Dagmar | Remember, the "flyback transformer" got it's name for a reason. ;) |
| 23:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i dunno if i want to take any chances with that 400v capacitor that's as big as a D battery in this thing |
| 23:33.44 | Dagmar | How many amps is it rated for tho? |
| 23:33.58 | Dagmar | It would probably sting like a mofo |
| 23:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how to calculate that, but it's big enough to concern me, lol |
| 23:34.10 | Dagmar | Good plan. |
| 23:34.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's 400v and enough uF to make it big as a d battery :p |
| 23:34.15 | Amarande | hmm, what was the last time I experienced cap zaps |
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| 23:34.30 | Shirik | has successfully confused the hell out of a Verizon representative |
| 23:34.32 | Amarande | probably back in the day when we had one hour photo at the grocery store and I had to disassemble disposable cameras regularly |
| 23:34.35 | Dagmar | So half or quarter farad probably then. heh |
| 23:34.38 | Mr_Rabies | ooh |
| 23:34.42 | Shirik | I would be excited but I feel like this is not something difficult to do |
| 23:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | disposable cameras got some nasty caps in em |
| 23:35.09 | Amarande | yeah I think once I jumped back a whole foot after touching a power board on one |
| 23:35.23 | Amarande | after that I made a point to run a plastic-handled screwdriver over the power board whenever I'd exposed one |
| 23:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'll be honest dagmar i don'tknow the slightest about electricity, i just know how to solder and know when something looks scar |
| 23:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | y |
| 23:36.04 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know what a farad is but yeah |
| 23:36.27 | Amarande | and yeah, that sounds like a cap where if you touch it the next D you might be thinking about is whether the nurse you wake up to in the hospital has a pair of 'em :) |
| 23:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | i replaced some small caps i wasn't worried about, mostly because they were blown and it had been about a month since the boards saw power, except for my samsung |
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| 23:38.05 | Mr_Rabies | i think the caps i replaced were 10v 2200uF, 35v 220uf, and 16v 1000uF |
| 23:39.02 | Dagmar | A farad is equivalent to the power to drive one large subwoofer in the ghetto for two beats. ;) |
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| 23:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't that depend on how dank said beats are |
| 23:43.06 | Dagmar | Potentially, but you also have to keep in mind the quality of the music and the discernent of the listener |
| 23:43.26 | Amarande | ... wat. "Do not look directly into light beam. Doing so can be damage to your eyesight." |
| 23:43.51 | Dagmar | If they're rattling their El Camino to pieces, you could probably replace the capacitor with a large roll of candy. |
| 23:49.55 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8yQhXDquII |
