| 00:00.17 | Neffi | Semlar2: he's quite wrong. Game bots have been an area of academic study lately. |
| 00:00.44 | p3lim | I used to have a pastebin too many moons ago, ditched it in favor for gists |
| 00:00.57 | Neffi | Several individuals and groups have made game bots which actually seem more human than real humans, when a random group of individuals is asked to rate the apparent humanity of their behavior in double blind tests |
| 00:01.35 | Neffi | One of the more popular ones was made for Quake, but the same thing could easily be adapted to WoW. Bots got very sophisticated just in the past couple years. |
| 00:02.08 | Neffi | here's one from 3 years ago http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/09/unreal-tournament-bots-appear-more-human-than-humans/ |
| 00:02.48 | Neffi | p3lim: I just think this one is very novel because it's at the TCP level, rather than the application level. The code is probably simple as all hell. |
| 00:03.18 | p3lim | yeah I've never seen a TCP pastebin before :p |
| 00:03.28 | Neffi | I was like "wat" when he told us |
| 00:03.41 | Neffi | I instantly made it my new command line pastebin with an alias |
| 00:04.00 | VTC | i'm so confused by this conversation. |
| 00:05.17 | p3lim | I really need to make the proper switch to linux soon... |
| 00:05.25 | Neffi | nah, switch to BSD instead :D |
| 00:05.42 | p3lim | dualbooting with win10 right now, but often I just end up sitting on win10 because of games :/ |
| 00:06.17 | Neffi | that's why I don't really see the point of dual booting |
| 00:06.42 | p3lim | I'm a sucker for AAA titles, sadly |
| 00:06.45 | Neffi | that usecase seems more well served by putting *nix in a guest, unless you actually need native performance |
| 00:07.02 | p3lim | I've been wanting to do the other way around actually |
| 00:07.06 | Neffi | I mean, I don't wanna reboot just to commence actual work, let alone casual usage |
| 00:07.08 | p3lim | running win as a guest |
| 00:07.14 | p3lim | passing through my entire gpu |
| 00:07.15 | Neffi | but then no games |
| 00:07.24 | Neffi | ah. give *nix the onboard then? |
| 00:07.29 | p3lim | yep |
| 00:07.32 | p3lim | or a secondary card |
| 00:07.50 | Neffi | that's a fine solution I suppose. |
| 00:07.53 | p3lim | I've got a 6700k so the onboard is quite good |
| 00:08.06 | Neffi | I'd rather use a mix of Wine and consoles for my gaming needs |
| 00:08.25 | p3lim | I don't like consoles |
| 00:08.39 | Neffi | I use a controller in pretty much anything except MMOs |
| 00:08.57 | p3lim | playing csgo a lot these days |
| 00:08.58 | Neffi | and classic games, but they tend to play great in Wine |
| 00:09.03 | p3lim | fps in general is a no-go with a controller |
| 00:09.36 | Neffi | yeah, I agree. I don't play FPSs though. I like RPG games. For me, it's about the adventure, and the story, the environments, playing an invented character. |
| 00:09.46 | Neffi | I play Fallout, but I maintain that's an RPG game with guns |
| 00:09.53 | p3lim | :) |
| 00:10.04 | p3lim | looking forward to division next year |
| 00:10.20 | Shirik | how do I stab people at apple |
| 00:10.21 | Neffi | Division? |
| 00:10.24 | p3lim | heard good things from the people that tried the alpha |
| 00:10.25 | p3lim | ye |
| 00:10.33 | Neffi | Havent heard of it |
| 00:10.42 | p3lim | "Tom Clancy's The Division" rather |
| 00:10.54 | p3lim | Shirik: with a spoon |
| 00:11.03 | Shirik | I wanted to make an image of an sd card |
| 00:11.08 | Neffi | Oh, one of them fancy FPS games, eh? ;) |
| 00:11.15 | Neffi | dd? |
| 00:11.18 | p3lim | more like fallout actually |
| 00:11.21 | Shirik | but you have to be able to mount the sd card before it's willing to do that |
| 00:11.26 | p3lim | just not that far into the future |
| 00:11.33 | Shirik | Neffi: dd is failing for some reason so rather than figure that out I decided to use the built-in utility |
| 00:11.50 | Shirik | anyway, I had to install an ext2 filesystem handler so that it can mount the sd card |
| 00:11.56 | Shirik | so that it can unmount the sd card to make the image |
| 00:12.00 | Neffi | you have to mount the sdcard to dd? wat? |
| 00:12.07 | Shirik | I don't understand |
| 00:12.08 | Shirik | it's like |
| 00:12.18 | Neffi | you mean you have to _insert_ it? you probably _won't_ want it mounted |
| 00:12.20 | Shirik | it refuses to make the image unless it's already mounted |
| 00:12.21 | Neffi | don't* |
| 00:12.25 | Shirik | and then it unmounts it |
| 00:12.28 | Shirik | and then makes the image |
| 00:12.35 | Neffi | sounds like all sorts of screwy stuff |
| 00:12.41 | Shirik | hence why I want to stab someone |
| 00:12.43 | Neffi | p3lim: Oh, I must check that out. |
| 00:13.10 | p3lim | Neffi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njfj6KwEAfg |
| 00:13.23 | p3lim | they haven't released much other than a few trailers with story/gameplay |
| 00:13.31 | Neffi | "a deadly pandemic hit New York city on Black Friday... " hah |
| 00:13.36 | Neffi | I like the sound of it already |
| 00:13.52 | p3lim | only downside I've found about it so far is ubisoft |
| 00:13.57 | Neffi | :/ |
| 00:14.16 | p3lim | but it's an rpg with guns |
| 00:14.17 | Neffi | can't be much worse than bethesda tbh |
| 00:14.36 | Neffi | well, I mean. bethesda isn't intentionally evil, just incompetent |
| 00:14.42 | p3lim | :p |
| 00:15.09 | p3lim | apparently they've reconstructed the entirety of manhattan |
| 00:15.18 | Neffi | yeah? |
| 00:16.41 | Neffi | I want this game |
| 00:17.00 | p3lim | :p |
| 00:17.07 | p3lim | they've delayed it like 5 times so far |
| 00:17.12 | p3lim | current plan is to release in march |
| 00:17.28 | p3lim | was supposed to launch around black friday of last year |
| 00:17.32 | p3lim | originally |
| 00:17.33 | Neffi | meh, let them take their time. my backlogs of games I need to play is growing rapidly |
| 00:18.29 | Neffi | i'd like to see how 'correct' they got Manhattan |
| 00:18.52 | Neffi | I've been wondering if there's licensing concerns w.r.t. the architecture when you're doing something like that |
| 00:19.19 | p3lim | heh |
| 00:19.35 | p3lim | they had footage of madison square in another video |
| 00:19.39 | p3lim | quite cool |
| 00:20.05 | Neffi | A few years ago a friend wanted to do an indie game, set in Manhattan. We were in the planning stages. He was gonna foot much of the cost of funding. I never got around to figuring out if we needed licensing to recreate some of the memorable buildings |
| 00:20.51 | Amarande | Neffi: these days never mind that, now you probably gotta worry about people thinking you're examining the structure of memorable buildings too closely :p |
| 00:32.30 | Neffi | yeah, because we all know there's nobody ever walking around Manhattan checking out the buildings |
| 00:32.37 | Neffi | not a single tourist would ever visit here |
| 00:37.44 | VTC | neffi: if only. |
| 00:37.56 | Amarande | Neffi: actually, there's been tourists harassed by the police for taking photos of certain buildings |
| 00:38.42 | Neffi | has anyone ever told you that you sound a bit mad? |
| 00:39.41 | Neffi | I live in NY. Nobody harasses you for taking pictures. It'd be more strange if you didn't see a bunch of people taking pictures. In fact, nobody pays you any mind whatsoever, no matter what you do, really, no matter how crazy you look. |
| 00:40.01 | p3lim | http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/ |
| 00:40.19 | Amarande | yeah, that's true, we're in 2015 now ... the incident I read about was rather sooner after 9/11 |
| 00:40.22 | p3lim | think I'll finish all of that before the end of the year? :p |
| 00:40.39 | Amarande | on the other hand, we're in 2015 now, and the world's getting back on edge again :( |
| 00:40.48 | Neffi | not from what I see |
| 00:41.05 | Neffi | maybe in other places, where people dont have much to do but sit around and think and get anxious |
| 00:45.07 | Amarande | yeah it still seems somewhat rational around this general region at least |
| 00:45.13 | Amarande | california apparently declared a state of emergency though |
| 00:45.27 | Amarande | and of course, you've still got loads of people cheering for Trump even as he starts to seem more and more like a typical 1930s-1940s personality cult despot |
| 01:02.18 | VTC | % y=nil; y = y + 1; print(y) |
| 01:02.18 | yalb | VTC: sandbox:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'y' (a nil value); stack traceback:; sandbox:1: in main chunk |
| 01:02.34 | Amarande | VTC: nil is not zero |
| 01:02.42 | VTC | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 01:03.01 | VTC | trying to figure out another error. if it was a problem with a value still being nil, it should have thrown an error earlier |
| 01:03.16 | VTC | probably a scope issue |
| 01:03.43 | VTC | i am very new to lua |
| 01:18.16 | Semlar | noscopes neffi |
| 01:18.25 | Neffi | !!! |
| 01:19.13 | Semlar | publix didn't have freezer paper, i'm not sure this is a real product |
| 01:19.22 | Neffi | what |
| 01:20.19 | Semlar | it's like paper coated with silicone or something |
| 01:20.54 | Semlar | i need to line my mold with something that isn't going to melt from the heat |
| 01:21.41 | Neffi | i might make a desk Semlar |
| 01:21.54 | Semlar | make me one too |
| 01:22.05 | Semlar | or is that my christmas present |
| 01:22.06 | jleclanche | "I was trying to be creative and see how I could add 'mystery' to selling currency, similar how they would sell packs of cards that you didn't know what was in them. " |
| 01:22.08 | jleclanche | https://i.imgur.com/1AQOlqM.jpg?1 |
| 01:22.09 | Neffi | because every desk out there is either ugly, poorly made and out of crap material, or ridiculously expensive |
| 01:22.35 | Neffi | I see simple parsons/masons tables for like $4500 |
| 01:22.40 | Neffi | like, wat |
| 01:22.56 | Semlar | you gotta go to an estate sale |
| 01:23.06 | Semlar | neffi how you gonna move a real desk |
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| 01:23.35 | Neffi | I'd attach the legs using metal brackets |
| 01:23.42 | Neffi | so the legs can be removed |
| 01:23.54 | Neffi | I don't want antique looking stuff |
| 01:24.32 | Neffi | I want something like West Elm or BDDW. I like the simple, minimalist look. I just don't like the "I'm so rich I wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills" price tag |
| 01:24.50 | Neffi | Meanwhile the designs are so stupidly simple, I can just make it |
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| 01:26.51 | Neffi | I mean, something like this, except I'll use a nicer wood with really rich grain, a nicer stain, and add a drawer https://img1.etsystatic.com/023/0/7430486/il_fullxfull.493617117_i72b.jpg |
| 01:27.05 | Neffi | it's like 10 pieces of wood. you can't really mess that up |
| 01:27.31 | Semlar | don't underestimate me |
| 01:27.36 | Neffi | hah |
| 01:28.53 | Semlar | repurposes neffi's joists |
| 01:29.01 | Neffi | thehell is a joist |
| 01:29.11 | Semlar | you know, a joist |
| 01:29.22 | Neffi | oh, those |
| 01:31.05 | Semlar | i got some wax paper, maybe it won't melt |
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| 01:31.24 | Semlar | i mean, it's almost certainly going to melt since this is hot enough to melt soap |
| 01:31.57 | Semlar | i'm sure a little extra wax won't hurt anything |
| 01:32.40 | Neffi | :/ |
| 01:32.46 | Neffi | isn't wax paper, like, meant for the oven? |
| 01:33.00 | Semlar | well my parchment paper melted into the soap |
| 01:33.05 | Semlar | and i bake on that |
| 01:33.34 | Semlar | granted that might just have been some kind of reaction |
| 01:34.10 | Semlar | i have no idea how this works |
| 01:35.01 | Semlar | what it made wouldn't dissolve in water |
| 01:36.09 | Semlar | you should definitely not bake on wax paper |
| 01:37.00 | Semlar | wikipedia says it will explode |
| 01:41.25 | Neffi | wat |
| 01:41.55 | Semlar | it also says it was invented by thomas edison |
| 01:42.36 | Semlar | it also says it wasn't invented by thomas edison in another citation |
| 01:42.44 | Semlar | i don't know who to believe |
| 01:45.23 | Semlar | on the plus side i think i've invented waterproof soap |
| 01:45.47 | Semlar | just think how much longer it would last |
| 01:46.12 | Semlar | it's like trying to wash yourself with a candle |
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| 01:54.28 | mckenziemc | cauterizes Semlar before it's too late. |
| 02:01.28 | Semlar | it is almost certainly too late |
| 02:02.58 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 02:03.04 | mckenziemc | castrates Semlar instead. |
| 02:03.40 | Semlar | why are you so interested in my reproductive organs |
| 02:05.10 | mckenziemc | they aren't reproductive now |
| 02:05.26 | Semlar | well not since the accident |
| 02:06.39 | mckenziemc | the one with Torhal? |
| 02:07.15 | Torhal | That was no accident. |
| 02:07.16 | Torhal | >.> |
| 02:07.28 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:27.50 | Shirik | ok linux/osx geniuses I have a fun one for you |
| 02:28.18 | Shirik | I want to alter a partition table that's invalid (too large). Can I shrink it by kinda just lopping off the end of it? |
| 02:28.23 | Shirik | and if so how would I go about doing that? |
| 02:40.04 | jleclanche | Shirik: do you have a fs on it? |
| 02:40.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:40.39 | jleclanche | do you care about the fs? which fs is it? |
| 02:41.01 | Shirik | so here's the whole story |
| 02:41.31 | Shirik | I copied an SD card to another SD card, and while both advertise their size as 32GB, one has a better marketing team than the other so the card that I copied to has less space |
| 02:41.48 | Shirik | it houses a linux distribution, and now it's refusing to boot because the partition is larger than the disk |
| 02:42.02 | jleclanche | so i take it you have a backup on the other sd card still yea? |
| 02:42.04 | Shirik | so I just want to be like "I'm pretty sure nothing is there at the end of the disk, I just want the partition to be smaller" |
| 02:42.05 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:42.27 | jleclanche | it's not certain there's nothing at the end of the disk, because flash medium |
| 02:42.27 | jleclanche | but |
| 02:42.33 | jleclanche | you can give it a shot with fdisk |
| 02:42.42 | jleclanche | or gdisk or whatever |
| 02:42.47 | kd3 | parted? |
| 02:42.51 | jleclanche | https://superuser.com/questions/660309/live-resize-of-a-gpt-partition-on-linux |
| 02:42.56 | jleclanche | stay away from parted |
| 02:43.28 | jleclanche | that link is useless sorry |
| 02:43.43 | jleclanche | here much better https://falstaff.agner.ch/2013/12/22/online-resize-root-filesystem-on-a-gpt-partition/ |
| 02:43.53 | jleclanche | delete the partition and recreate it |
| 02:44.06 | jleclanche | make sure it starts at the exact same byte |
| 02:44.30 | jleclanche | and then youll probably need to run fsck on it, but try booting without that first |
| 02:45.04 | jleclanche | unless it's an ext partition, if so resize2fs *should* work |
| 02:45.29 | jleclanche | also, you might not have to change the partition's size, just the fs's size... tias |
| 02:45.34 | jleclanche | Shirik: ^ |
| 02:46.09 | Amarande | Shirik: btw, it's pretty easy to migrate linux to another drive/card via mainly file operations and not needing to do a partition level copy |
| 02:46.14 | Shirik | it's an ext partition but I'm not sure how I can run resize2fs on it because I don't have a linux box that can read an sd card :( |
| 02:46.32 | jleclanche | Shirik: plz. https://grml.org/ |
| 02:46.45 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:46.47 | jleclanche | stuff it on an usb stick and carry it everywhere |
| 02:47.13 | Amarande | wipe the partitions on the target sd card entirely, and try this http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/hack-and-migrate-new-hard-drive |
| 02:47.20 | tz | even in the bath? |
| 02:47.25 | jleclanche | EVERYWHERE |
| 02:47.28 | tz | kk |
| 02:47.46 | jleclanche | i actually dont use grml anymore, i just use arch live disks... but arch is stripped down |
| 02:47.59 | jleclanche | grml's more useful in that sense |
| 02:48.28 | Amarande | should work with pretty much any source and target installation media, the most important things are needing to be booted from a third medium (so the source medium doesn't change during migration), that it's the same arch as the media being migrated (otherwise the grub installer won't run at the end), and that you use cpio and not cp (otherwise special things like devices don't copy right) |
| 02:49.00 | jleclanche | Amarande: honestly it's a lot easier to just delete & recreate the partition, that it's worth trying |
| 02:49.03 | jleclanche | besides |
| 02:49.04 | jleclanche | if it fails |
| 02:49.14 | jleclanche | Shirik has a backup and can just do a better copy |
| 02:49.14 | jleclanche | :P |
| 02:50.16 | Amarande | yeah I mainly like that method because it's entirely independent of the disk sizes (as long as there's enough room on the target) |
| 02:50.29 | Amarande | hence it also avoids gotchas like the one Shirik just got got by |
| 02:50.58 | Shirik | I think fdisk is confused |
| 02:51.07 | Shirik | but let's see if it worked |
| 02:51.27 | jleclanche | Shirik: watch out for fdisk vs gdisk depending on your partition table type |
| 02:51.38 | jleclanche | gdisk is for gpt |
| 02:52.02 | Shirik | it's ext4, but fdisk was actually telling me incorrect results (namely, the size of the partition) |
| 02:52.08 | jleclanche | partition table type |
| 02:52.11 | Shirik | probably because it read the size of the partition and was like "but that's not possible" |
| 02:52.11 | jleclanche | not partition type |
| 02:52.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:52.31 | jleclanche | fdisk *should* have complained if it was gpt |
| 02:52.40 | Shirik | it's type 83 |
| 02:53.24 | jleclanche | that's partition type still :P (linux filesystem) |
| 02:53.33 | jleclanche | i mean mbr vs gpt |
| 02:54.20 | mckenziemc | GPT on an SD card :D |
| 02:54.26 | jleclanche | yeah its doubtful |
| 02:54.27 | jleclanche | but possible |
| 02:54.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:54.49 | Shirik | well fdisk was reading the table fine :P |
| 02:54.56 | jleclanche | you're clear then |
| 02:55.03 | Shirik | (Aside from the part where it was giving me incorrect results for the size of the second partition) |
| 02:55.47 | jleclanche | that makes sense if you fucked the table sizing |
| 02:56.13 | Amarande | Shirik: also you probably ought to use ext2 on sd cards |
| 02:56.18 | jleclanche | what |
| 02:56.19 | jleclanche | no |
| 02:56.28 | Amarande | jleclanche: don't journaling fs's involve greater amounts of writes? |
| 02:56.40 | Amarande | sd cards are notoriously low in terms of repeated-write durability |
| 02:56.52 | jleclanche | you can disable journaling, you should never be using ext2 |
| 02:56.56 | Amarande | they often make tlc based ssds seem durable :p |
| 02:57.04 | jleclanche | and this doesnt even sort of matter |
| 02:57.30 | Amarande | jleclanche: ah ... though I'm not entirely sure what's really different between ext3/4 with journaling disabled and ext2 |
| 02:57.53 | jleclanche | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/05/ext2-ext3-ext4/ |
| 02:58.04 | Amarande | they're similar enough that the whole ext family is now able to be one driver on recent kernels without posing a performance issue |
| 02:58.14 | Shirik | ok well that seems to have exploded in new ways |
| 02:58.14 | jleclanche | ext3 you cant disable journaling |
| 02:58.23 | Shirik | the partition table is fine, but now ext4 is complaining |
| 02:58.30 | Shirik | and refuses to mount the partition |
| 02:58.32 | jleclanche | Amarande: that's called "backwards compatibility" |
| 02:58.33 | Shirik | fs |
| 02:58.36 | jleclanche | Shirik: did you resize2fs? |
| 02:58.42 | Shirik | no but I'm not sure how I can |
| 02:58.48 | jleclanche | just do |
| 02:59.00 | Amarande | jleclanche: which usually comes with a performance hit unless things are very similar between versions (and if the performance hit was large presumably it would have been kept as separate drivers) |
| 02:59.07 | Shirik | you're missing the part where I don't have a device running linux :P |
| 02:59.18 | jleclanche | Shirik: grml :p |
| 02:59.19 | Shirik | I also don't have a USB drive |
| 02:59.24 | jleclanche | ok that sucks more |
| 02:59.26 | jleclanche | what do you have? |
| 02:59.27 | Shirik | I could go to walmart I guess |
| 02:59.28 | mckenziemc | that's your problem |
| 02:59.36 | Amarande | hence one of the reasons why windows has to go through so many performance killing contortions, because people expect it to work with binary software published last millennium :) |
| 03:00.05 | jleclanche | Amarande: you have a ridiculously flawed assumption that backwards incompatibility involves performance hits |
| 03:00.28 | Shirik | the only device I have with an SD card reader is my macbook |
| 03:00.43 | jleclanche | Shirik: go to walmart :P |
| 03:00.50 | jleclanche | usb drives are useful |
| 03:01.17 | Shirik | can a macbook even boot grml? |
| 03:01.24 | jleclanche | a macbook can boot anything |
| 03:01.42 | Amarande | yeah a macbook is basically a pc |
| 03:01.45 | jleclanche | as long as you can boot the usb key, itll boot whatever's on it |
| 03:02.33 | jleclanche | Amarande: backwards compatibility is usually done non-greedily, with compatibility checks. if v1 then codepath1, if v2 then codepath2, etc. the performance is down to the compatibility check itself. |
| 03:03.12 | Amarande | jleclanche: yeah, that's what I meant, backwards compatibility at least means the os has to spend time checking and accounting for the legacy cases, which it wouldn't have to if it forsook said compatibility |
| 03:03.40 | jleclanche | Amarande: do you know how many trillions of these checks can be done a second? |
| 03:03.56 | Shirik | though I suppose |
| 03:04.05 | Shirik | this SD is targeted for an rpi |
| 03:04.14 | Shirik | I could probably just have the rpi boot to grml |
| 03:04.20 | Shirik | and resize it |
| 03:04.47 | jleclanche | Shirik: also uh something else of note, not all SD *ports* are bootable |
| 03:04.56 | jleclanche | so whatever you put on that card may not be bootable |
| 03:05.19 | Shirik | oh it's bootable |
| 03:05.22 | jleclanche | ok |
| 03:05.23 | Shirik | I have two rpis |
| 03:05.28 | Shirik | literally all I'm trying to do is clone one rpi to another |
| 03:05.52 | jleclanche | sidenote |
| 03:05.54 | jleclanche | get a linux box |
| 03:05.54 | jleclanche | :p |
| 03:11.15 | mckenziemc | like a pi? o.o |
| 03:20.38 | kd3 | eek. an no2 leak: http://i.imgur.com/QMjMw7F.gifv |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik | has acquired a USB drive |
| 03:26.25 | mckenziemc | what did you do kd3 |
| 03:26.35 | kd3 | browsed /r/wtf |
| 03:26.53 | kd3 | didn't realize it would do that. never again |
| 03:27.06 | mckenziemc | oh ok |
| 03:29.13 | Shirik | I feel like going to /r/wtf is a terrible ideal |
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| 03:42.53 | Amarande | Shirik: apply directly to the cortex :) |
| 03:47.41 | mckenziemc | upgrades Amarande to a Cortex-A7. |
| 03:50.08 | Amarande | yay, square enix games on sale on google play |
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| 04:29.28 | Fisker | hey Seerah |
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| 04:29.36 | Seerah | hi, Fisker |
| 04:38.01 | Trela | ~purl hug |
| 04:38.02 | purl | ACTION hugs trela |
| 04:38.05 | Trela | <3 |
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| 05:56.57 | jleclanche | I misclicked on xkcd's random button and got this https://xkcd.com/1210/ |
| 05:57.22 | Shirik | jleclanche: it took me a year to figure out how to boot to usb on this thing, but it worked :D |
| 05:57.57 | jleclanche | i feel like there's a 0.2% troll chance to get that xkcd when hitting random |
| 05:58.01 | jleclanche | and grats Shirik |
| 06:00.04 | WrathTECH | Anybody know what texture file is used to the new item glow overlay in your bags? |
| 06:00.19 | Shirik | jleclanche: now if only I can figure out how to access the sd card :( |
| 06:00.27 | jleclanche | Shirik: lsblk |
| 06:01.13 | Shirik | looks like it doesn't see it ._. |
| 06:01.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:01.41 | Shirik | unplugged it and plugged it back in |
| 06:01.42 | Shirik | there we go |
| 06:05.44 | Shirik | I think we did it jleclanche :D |
| 06:05.50 | jleclanche | eyy |
| 06:06.05 | jleclanche | arent filesystems awesome Shirik |
| 06:07.04 | Shirik | I am really amused |
| 06:07.11 | Shirik | fsck allowed me to run it even though it was like "what the fuck is this shit" |
| 06:07.26 | Shirik | then I resized and it was like "oh ok I get it now" |
| 06:09.58 | mckenziemc | maybe it was just telling you you should explicitly resize it first |
| 06:12.15 | Shirik | https://i.gyazo.com/59520786e2b4e62d8d6a8cb70c45db63.png |
| 06:13.30 | jleclanche | Shirik: fyi grml has a basic xfce ui available |
| 06:13.36 | Gethe | WrathTECH: they use an atlas in cade, but the root texture is here https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures/blob/live/ContainerFrame/Bags.PNG |
| 06:13.43 | Gethe | code* |
| 06:13.59 | jleclanche | anyone on project fi and/or with a nexus 6p? |
| 06:14.19 | Shirik | jleclanche: it booted yay :D |
| 06:14.25 | jleclanche | yay :) |
| 06:14.35 | WrathTECH | I do believe I had over looked that texture file, Gethe, thanks. |
| 06:23.10 | p3lim | hrm, maybe take another stab at arch today |
| 06:23.17 | p3lim | had issues with xorg last time :/ |
| 06:23.34 | jleclanche | p3lim: ping me if you need help |
| 06:23.46 | jleclanche | if you have issues with xorg its most likely of your own doing |
| 06:23.54 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 06:24.06 | p3lim | I've been tempted to go for antergos instead tho' |
| 06:24.28 | p3lim | simplifies things a lot, still not fully comfortable with *nix yet |
| 06:24.43 | jleclanche | honestly, don't |
| 06:25.05 | jleclanche | what antergos saves you is the installation procedure, which doesn't take too long even the first time you do it |
| 06:25.14 | jleclanche | but knowing what you installed helps you a lot |
| 06:25.17 | kd3 | xorg should autodetect everything and just work unless you completely broke your driver installation |
| 06:25.21 | p3lim | afaik antergos is just the installer, rest is normal arch |
| 06:25.28 | jleclanche | that's correct |
| 06:26.15 | p3lim | compared to manjaro which is it's own thing but based on arch |
| 06:26.32 | jleclanche | but yeah that's what I'm saying |
| 06:26.52 | jleclanche | you *should* install the software yourself and youll be more comfortable with it when it breaks |
| 06:26.52 | Trela | This 404 is amusing. https://flattr.com/profile/ |
| 06:26.54 | jleclanche | and it will break |
| 06:27.37 | jleclanche | Trela: that's backwards |
| 06:27.48 | p3lim | when the core stuff breaks, sure |
| 06:28.20 | p3lim | still gonna dualboot windows though |
| 06:29.10 | jleclanche | p3lim: ok so, the thing with arch is it requires constant care if you don't want things to break in the long run; it teaches you a *lot* about unix and i 150% recommend it to anyone who wants sysadmin skills |
| 06:29.26 | jleclanche | if you're not comfortable with that, or simply that is not what you're looking for, there's Mint |
| 06:30.24 | mckenziemc | harsh |
| 06:30.35 | jleclanche | it's not harsh, mint is great |
| 06:30.53 | jleclanche | arch is awesome but it has to be something you want |
| 06:31.05 | p3lim | I really like the arch architecture tho |
| 06:31.12 | p3lim | and the package manager |
| 06:31.17 | jleclanche | me too, and me three |
| 06:31.53 | p3lim | I've found pacman to be silly fast compared to the alternatives |
| 06:31.58 | jleclanche | yup! |
| 06:32.21 | jleclanche | it's really stupid how sluggish apt feels after a taste of the pacman |
| 06:33.00 | p3lim | every time I ssh into my rpi to do updates or w/e I really notice the difference |
| 06:34.27 | p3lim | doesn't help that the mirrors are slow tho' |
| 06:35.15 | p3lim | but I think I'm going for antergos, I find it's simpler to fix something than to make something most times |
| 06:36.18 | p3lim | once I'm comfortable I'll switch to the real deal |
| 06:39.27 | p3lim | https://youtu.be/1XsBQ3nIQhg that trinket seriously needs a nerf lol |
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| 06:46.06 | jleclanche | <<< %s(un='%s') = %u |
| 06:46.13 | jleclanche | oops, wrong window, now everybody knows my password |
| 06:46.40 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 07:25.29 | relaxok | whats the lua function for adding a line to the chat window again? |
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| 07:48.14 | mckenziemc | print? |
| 07:49.12 | Simca | no |
| 07:50.08 | Simca | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 07:50.26 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 07:50.29 | Simca | (I agree that print is wildly better for most uses though) |
| 07:50.56 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/a/13KT7 3D printed PC case |
| 07:50.57 | Simca | (namely, it doesn't error on nil values) |
| 07:51.09 | karl_w_w | the future is scary for some manufacturing industries |
| 07:51.37 | mckenziemc | you're scary karl_w_w |
| 07:51.55 | karl_w_w | thanks kenzie |
| 07:52.06 | nevcairiel | except that producing that full case with a 3d printer probably costs more than buying one |
| 07:52.19 | karl_w_w | for now |
| 07:52.22 | nevcairiel | also, days of manual labor fine-tuning |
| 07:56.01 | Semlar | is the white part the only bit that's printed? |
| 07:58.19 | mckenziemc | knurls Semlar. |
| 08:00.24 | p3lim | home-printers aren't fine enough yet imo |
| 08:01.18 | p3lim | got a high-resolution case for my rpi printed at work by an industrial printer, still not that fine |
| 08:01.26 | p3lim | prefer molded |
| 08:01.45 | karl_w_w | think the black is as well Semlar |
| 08:02.03 | p3lim | karl_w_w: acrylic looks more like |
| 08:03.30 | Semlar | none of the pictures really show it very well, but the white is the only part that seems to have the obvious beading pattern 3D printers leave |
| 08:03.51 | karl_w_w | you can get that shiny finish with acetone |
| 08:04.13 | p3lim | considering the lack of polish on the white I doubt the black is printed |
| 08:04.58 | Semlar | does anyone know how sturdy printed plastic like that is? |
| 08:05.32 | p3lim | depends on type |
| 08:05.34 | karl_w_w | maybe he treated the black and not the white |
| 08:05.35 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:05.56 | Semlar | looks pretty thick |
| 08:06.19 | p3lim | don't need much force for PLA to break atleast |
| 08:08.29 | mckenziemc | "3D printed" doesn't necessarily restrict materials to those a home 3D printer can use |
| 08:09.08 | Semlar | some of these parts are obviously machined though |
| 08:09.21 | p3lim | molded PBT > anything available for home-printers |
| 08:09.24 | nevcairiel | not necessarily, but if you come showing of your industrial 3d printer that you happen to have access to at work, you fail =p |
| 08:10.17 | Semlar | and their cooling system appears to be full of milk |
| 08:11.43 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure why "3D printed PC case" can't mean from an industrial printer, nevcairiel, though i know nothing else about that gallery |
| 08:12.24 | Semlar | the real question is why aren't these pictures bigger |
| 08:12.35 | nevcairiel | because you would see the imperfections then |
| 08:21.10 | karl_w_w | whatever happened to one hit wonders |
| 08:21.31 | mckenziemc | bieber happened |
| 08:22.23 | karl_w_w | i still remember when people thought britney spears would be a one hit wonder |
| 08:25.43 | relaxok | thanks Simca |
| 08:26.08 | Simca | yep |
| 08:29.54 | Fisker | edits a wiki page and hugs Cairenn |
| 08:30.03 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 09:04.34 | Shirik | btw jleclanche et al https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820c14c2c7dff53716 |
| 09:04.48 | jleclanche | i just linked that an hour ago Shirik |
| 09:04.55 | jleclanche | oh it wasnt in here |
| 09:04.56 | Shirik | wait wtf |
| 09:05.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:05.09 | Shirik | don't mess with my head like that |
| 09:06.29 | nevcairiel | how can you screw up like this when building a rtc |
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| 09:12.33 | jleclanche | Somehow I just discovered tvmaze |
| 09:13.24 | relaxok | whats the deal with e.g. SECONDS = "|4Second:Seconds;"; |
| 09:13.25 | relaxok | ? |
| 09:13.34 | jleclanche | relaxok: shitty pluralization |
| 09:13.50 | relaxok | how would one parse that string |
| 09:14.05 | relaxok | is |4 a special case beginning |
| 09:14.34 | jleclanche | parse up to |, parse next int token, store as arg number, parse until :, store as first arg, parse until ;, store as second arg |
| 09:16.07 | relaxok | huh, arg number 4? |
| 09:16.27 | jleclanche | something like pluralization based on the argument |
| 09:16.41 | relaxok | DEATH_RELEASE_TIMER = "%d %s until release"; |
| 09:16.58 | relaxok | text:SetFormattedText(StaticPopupDialogs[which].text, timeleft, SECONDS); |
| 09:17.43 | jleclanche | so tvmaze just made me feel bad |
| 09:17.45 | jleclanche | Time spent watching TV |
| 09:17.45 | jleclanche | 187 days 6hours 31 minutes |
| 09:17.51 | nevcairiel | it does auto-selection for pluralization based on the argument before it |
| 09:17.53 | nevcairiel | its kind of magic |
| 09:18.06 | nevcairiel | note that in some languages it can have more than 2 alternatives |
| 09:18.12 | relaxok | i don't get the 4 |
| 09:18.22 | jleclanche | nobody gets the 4 |
| 09:18.23 | jleclanche | its blizz |
| 09:18.25 | jleclanche | just go with it. |
| 09:18.48 | relaxok | well i'm reimplementing this |
| 09:19.03 | jleclanche | what are you doing? |
| 09:19.18 | relaxok | pretend you are writing SetFormattedText |
| 09:20.57 | nevcairiel | note that these tokens are replaced on display, not on setformattedtext |
| 09:21.38 | relaxok | http://pastebin.com/gDid3wSW |
| 09:22.06 | relaxok | this works barring colors and crap like |4blah |
| 09:22.29 | Torhal | relaxok: Keep in mind WoW's string.format uses the Lua 4.0 positionals that were removed in 5.1 |
| 09:22.32 | jleclanche | btw Shirik, https://i.imgur.com/n9mmJD2.png |
| 09:22.33 | Torhal | http://www.lua.org/manual/4.0/manual.html#format |
| 09:22.54 | nevcairiel | i st ill wonder why they re moved them, for localization they are kinda useful |
| 09:23.43 | jleclanche | you should not be localizing with unindexed positionals |
| 09:23.44 | relaxok | Torhal: yeah, i'm not even using string.format for it |
| 09:23.46 | jleclanche | ever |
| 09:24.04 | nevcairiel | because lua has those |
| 09:24.34 | jleclanche | if lua doesnt provide indexed formatting, you should be using something on top of lua |
| 09:24.45 | jleclanche | "%s %s" is not a localizable string |
| 09:25.01 | relaxok | i'm literally just replacing them with stuff from the lua stack |
| 09:25.04 | nevcairiel | thats why blizzard kept the positionals in their version |
| 09:25.17 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: what do you mean by positionals? |
| 09:25.30 | Torhal | jleclanche: http://www.lua.org/manual/4.0/manual.html#format |
| 09:25.44 | jleclanche | right, i misread what nevcairiel said |
| 09:25.50 | Torhal | "Conversions can be applied to the n-th argument in the argument list, rather than the next unused argument. In this case, the conversion character % is replaced by the sequence %d$, where d is a decimal digit in the range [1,9], giving the position of the argument in the argument list. For instance, the call format("%2$d -> %1$03d", 1, 34) will result in "34 -> 001". The same argument can be used in more than one conversion." |
| 09:25.54 | Torhal | That was removed in Lua 5.1 |
| 09:26.00 | jleclanche | why |
| 09:26.12 | jleclanche | is it the same guy who said continue's a bad idea |
| 09:26.15 | Torhal | No idea, but Blizzard patched it back into their version. |
| 09:26.33 | relaxok | i haven't seen those in use but i havent had a chance to see a lot of the formatting strings |
| 09:26.36 | nevcairiel | its probably one of those lightweight fanatics |
| 09:26.49 | jleclanche | lua's closed development really pisses me off |
| 09:26.49 | Semlar | reformats torhal |
| 09:26.50 | Torhal | relaxok: Look in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 09:27.01 | Torhal | There are a few in there. |
| 09:27.09 | nevcairiel | more in some other languages |
| 09:27.16 | relaxok | DUEL_WINNER_KNOCKOUT = "%1$s has defeated %2$s in a duel"; |
| 09:27.26 | nevcairiel | english strings sometimes skip using them when its the default order anyway |
| 09:27.32 | nevcairiel | but other languages u se them when they need to re-order |
| 09:27.52 | jleclanche | only thing i can find on the ML |
| 09:28.00 | relaxok | hah yeah i wonder what mine would do on that |
| 09:28.04 | jleclanche | is that interpolation is possible now so positional args are no longer relevant |
| 09:28.04 | jleclanche | http://lua-users.org/wiki/StringInterpolation |
| 09:28.05 | jleclanche | ? |
| 09:28.34 | nevcairiel | how does that solve anything for loclization |
| 09:28.44 | jleclanche | it doesnt |
| 09:28.50 | jleclanche | interpolation is shit for localization |
| 09:29.05 | nevcairiel | that page itself even says so and manually implements named args |
| 09:29.22 | relaxok | the vast majority of these are ACTION_* |
| 09:29.23 | Torhal | ...which would be a hell of a lot slower than positionals in C. |
| 09:29.37 | relaxok | theoretically i can haxor this to work though |
| 09:29.47 | relaxok | i have the stack and the formatting string |
| 09:30.15 | relaxok | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.19 | nevcairiel | cogwheels old wow-lua thing probably has a lua patch to just enable them |
| 09:30.19 | relaxok | lol |
| 09:30.40 | jleclanche | pep501 wants to implement "translation ready" string interpolation bullshit in python |
| 09:30.43 | jleclanche | im so pissed off. |
| 09:31.15 | jleclanche | im already annoyed enough at pep498 |
| 09:31.19 | relaxok | i guess these are so you can pass the same set of arguments with all these combat log type strings |
| 09:31.43 | relaxok | so yeah i did not realize there was so much of this |
| 09:31.52 | jleclanche | oh here it was nevcairiel, my rant. https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/3gfaji/pep_501_translation_ready_string_interpolation/ctxs26f |
| 09:33.00 | relaxok | i'm not seeing a lot of these ACTION_ strings used in the lua |
| 09:33.14 | relaxok | can the client pass a string by the name somehow? |
| 09:33.21 | nevcairiel | they might be automatically looked up based on their name and the event that trigger them |
| 09:35.40 | nevcairiel | which also explains how they need fixed arguments |
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| 10:02.51 | p3lim | jleclanche: Only thing I could think of is locale-dependant stuff like order of date and time formatting, could be handled in localization of strings, but still that pep is bad |
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| 10:06.04 | p3lim | then again, locale stuff could be handled in separate strings, a much better solution |
| 10:06.05 | karl_w_w | anyone want a code for 25% off + free shipping from the corsair online store? valid til the end of the year, only works in some countries |
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| 10:22.31 | karl_w_w | so I had a good idea for a website but I don't want to do it myself so if somebody could steal this idea and get rich off it that would be great: |
| 10:22.49 | karl_w_w | review every movie trailer and give it a spoiler rating |
| 10:22.59 | karl_w_w | link to the youtube video of the trailer |
| 10:23.01 | karl_w_w | job done |
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| 10:29.38 | Semlar | every trailer: 100% spoilers |
| 10:47.29 | karl_w_w | I just unexpectedly saw a picture of some pencils and instantly smelled pencil shavings |
| 10:47.40 | karl_w_w | that was exciting |
| 10:47.46 | Semlar | maybe you have a brain tumor |
| 10:47.53 | karl_w_w | maybe! |
| 10:48.18 | Semlar | the same thing happens when i see a picture of torhal |
| 10:48.20 | karl_w_w | maybe I had some repressed pencil-related trauma in my childhood |
| 10:48.31 | karl_w_w | does Torhal look like a pencil? |
| 10:52.18 | Semlar | no |
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| 11:20.28 | jleclanche | dolby: you around? |
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| 11:25.58 | Evestraw | Hi everybody |
| 11:26.20 | Cairenn | He's asleep jleclanche |
| 11:26.27 | jleclanche | Cairenn: yep nvm |
| 11:26.29 | jleclanche | Cairenn: pm a sec |
| 11:26.32 | Cairenn | k |
| 11:27.30 | Evestraw | can a wow addon see how mutch a player trades? |
| 11:34.15 | Semlar | if they're running the addon it can track what they do |
| 11:34.44 | Evestraw | i see some trade events. but where do i get the numbers from? |
| 11:35.32 | Semlar | what are you trying to track? |
| 11:36.15 | Semlar | how much gold you're trading? |
| 11:36.29 | Evestraw | yes i want to know how mutch gold is being traded |
| 11:36.50 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#currency |
| 11:37.46 | karl_w_w | I wonder when MS are going to get sued for the default program association in win 10 |
| 11:37.49 | Semlar | probably something like GetPlayerTradeCurrency() |
| 11:39.10 | Evestraw | This function is not yet documented Yay:D |
| 11:39.41 | Semlar | this may not actually do what it sounds like it does |
| 11:40.13 | Semlar | oh there's a GetPlayerTradeMoney function |
| 11:40.17 | Semlar | of course there is |
| 11:40.24 | Evestraw | its halfway there.. this is the current player.. i need the target player |
| 11:40.35 | Semlar | GetTargetTradeMoney() |
| 11:40.54 | Evestraw | yes that looks promising |
| 11:41.54 | Semlar | what other currency can you even trade with other players |
| 11:43.29 | Evestraw | no idea |
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| 12:07.42 | Evestraw | Why does it expect another end for function on line 13? |
| 12:07.43 | Evestraw | http://pastebin.com/f7DaY94R |
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| 12:12.32 | Evestraw | i use one end for the if else right? |
| 12:13.35 | Evestraw | ow elseif is one word |
| 12:16.12 | Simca | correct |
| 12:19.49 | Evestraw | its harder then i thought :/ |
| 12:28.18 | Evestraw | can i call a parent frame? |
| 12:30.06 | Evestraw | yeah seems i can |
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| 13:49.25 | karl_w_w | do I need to watch community? |
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| 14:12.02 | Evestraw | did anyone figure out how GetTargetTradeCurrency works? |
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| 14:26.12 | mikma | http://lightsaber.withgoogle.com/experience |
| 14:36.50 | karl_w_w | you know whats annoying? |
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| 14:37.17 | karl_w_w | websites assuming your browser doesn't support something because it doesn't understand your user agent |
| 14:37.40 | karl_w_w | just fucking try to put it on the screen and if it doesnt work say why |
| 14:37.59 | karl_w_w | shit's been done since javascript and flash, it can't be hard |
| 14:39.56 | bluipodcow | Yeah. Dats bullshit |
| 14:49.38 | znf | Does it make sense to use btrfs on raid1? |
| 14:49.41 | znf | never used btrfs |
| 14:56.08 | karl_w_w | I personally think they just need to stop coming up with file systems |
| 14:56.11 | Evestraw | yeah but it was made by google.and they use the FORCE to let people get chrome |
| 14:56.19 | karl_w_w | what was wrong with FAT16? |
| 14:59.45 | Kalroth | znf, of course |
| 15:00.09 | znf | karl_w_w, file size |
| 15:01.25 | znf | in a completely unrelated news |
| 15:01.28 | znf | topic |
| 15:01.28 | znf | whatever |
| 15:01.38 | znf | it's a bad idea to reconfigure the network when doing a remote vnc install of centos7 |
| 15:02.46 | Kalroth | you mean since you can end up shooting your own feet? |
| 15:03.28 | Evestraw | no id what centos is but reconfiguring networks remotely might make you lose connection i gues |
| 15:09.55 | znf | Kalroth, yeah, adding more IPs during install time fucks it up |
| 15:09.57 | znf | wonder why |
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| 16:23.14 | Simca | <karl_w_w> what was wrong with FAT16? |
| 16:23.46 | Simca | well the part where you can only address 4 GB is pretty shit |
| 16:24.10 | Simca | other than that, it's fine! |
| 16:24.43 | Simca | clearly we should just be using FAT16 partitions in place of folders. |
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| 16:24.54 | Simca | install a new program? add a new FAT16 partition for it. |
| 16:34.00 | karl_w_w | holy crap internet explorer's zoom in/out mouse cursors are ugly as sin |
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| 16:40.20 | Amarande | karl_w_w, condolences for the fact that you're forced to use ie for whatever you're doing. :( |
| 16:40.41 | Amarande | hell, even Microsoft's moved away from IE now :) |
| 16:52.12 | Fisker | Hey Simca |
| 18:07.23 | Rythal | All the good browsers are dying :( IE, Safari |
| 18:08.17 | Semlar | ~fiskerslap Rythal |
| 18:08.17 | purl | ACTION slaps Rythal around a bit with Fisker. |
| 18:09.57 | Amarande | you mean "platform-specific default browsers that create niggling little issues for web designers"? |
| 18:10.20 | mckenziemc | ~lart Amarande |
| 18:10.20 | purl | --purges Amarande |
| 18:10.29 | Amarande | O, for the good old days when you either had to make your site look great on IE6 and suck on everything else, or look great on everything else but suck on IE6! |
| 18:10.36 | Amarande | Yeah, we don't need those days to come back. :P |
| 18:13.41 | mckenziemc | almost as much as we don't need Amarande to come back? |
| 18:13.55 | Rythal | They never left, you still can't design in one browser and have it work as expected in another. Only now it's worse, you need to make parts of the page for IE11, Safari 6, Safari 9, Edge, Firefox, Chrome ... and heaven forbid someone uses an older browser without updating and that seems to not work either. |
| 18:14.20 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Used to be that he didn't between WoW subscription lapses, but then he figured out that he has ~20 people with hi on ignore and decided to go for more. |
| 18:14.30 | Torhal | him* |
| 18:15.13 | Semlar | aside from safari i haven't had much issue with modern browsers supporting CSS3 |
| 18:16.51 | Amarande | Rythal: if they're still using IE6, they deserve to suffer :) |
| 18:17.05 | Amarande | besides the fact that it's IE6 for god's sake, that means they're still on XP and are a Bad Netizen |
| 18:17.51 | Amarande | chrome can be kind of an issue though, at least one of the websites I visit regularly still doesn't work 100% in chrome :( |
| 18:18.29 | Rythal | we (my work) have the most issue with safari, but it's not just web since our business is around wysiwyg editing of email templates and that damn outlook with it's word based html renderer, and google with their damn non-conformist css parsing... then also trying to get mobile display in there. |
| 18:18.54 | Amarande | yeah, outlook is a pain |
| 18:19.17 | Amarande | it's getting worse, too, at my old gig a few months before we went out of business corporate upgraded us to the new outlook web app |
| 18:19.22 | Amarande | oh, god, the new outlook web app *barf* |
| 18:20.20 | Semlar | well, i usually design everything for mobile first, then tweak it for other devices |
| 18:20.31 | Semlar | it keeps things simple |
| 18:20.35 | Amarande | I've used gmail for so long that by this point I probably think of the Gmail way of rendering things as the standard |
| 18:21.42 | Semlar | you can also use things like autoprefixer to make your css ten times larger with the possibility of supporting more browsers |
| 18:22.01 | Semlar | https://github.com/postcss/autoprefixer |
| 18:22.01 | Amarande | Semlar: eh, that's what microsoft tried, it's not that simple to not end up with a desktop version that looks like it was obviously designed for shiny appy people tapping screens (sorry, REM) |
| 18:22.06 | Rythal | unrelated... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0d/e6/fd/0de6fdef3375cb101f331fe37fac302b.jpg except for the fact chipmunks was #4 not #3.. simpsons totally predited the future again :| |
| 18:22.22 | Rythal | s/predited/predicted |
| 18:22.53 | Amarande | Rythal: nah, if they were accurate there'd be lines of cars like Manhattan rush hour |
| 18:22.58 | Amarande | this cinema is deserted :) |
| 18:24.25 | g0urra | RIP alpha |
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| 18:35.36 | mckenziemc | Amarande: that seems to be consistent with the jpg |
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| 18:41.24 | Corv | If all I want is a ready-to-go font selection dropdown, I see there's LibSharedMediaWidgets, but is there a way to plug that widget into a non-Ace container frame? |
| 18:43.06 | Amarande | mckenziemc: that's what I mean, the cinema pictured in the jpg is deserted, which is not the case for actual cinemas showing star wars :) |
| 18:44.30 | zenzelezz | wikipedia, where you go to ease your uncertainties about medical issues. http://imgur.com/P4kT7Fp |
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| 18:55.02 | Fisker | accidentally falls into Cairenn with his arms |
| 18:55.11 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 18:55.16 | mckenziemc | accidentally cuts off Fisker's arms. |
| 19:05.26 | Amarande | zenzelezz, never mind that if you look at anything even remotely related to medical issues and take a wiki walk, it's usually not long before you run into the page for some sort of horror-from-the-seventh-hell disease |
| 19:06.04 | Amarande | especially the lovely kind that originate from semi-common soil or water pathogens, start out resembling some fairly minor cold or flu, & then they kill you. :) |
| 19:06.39 | mckenziemc | too bad Amarande hasn't caught one yet |
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