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| 00:44.17 | Semlar | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE |
| 00:44.47 | nevcairiel | this guy with his anti-botting addon sure is on the loony side |
| 00:45.06 | Semlar | what i want to know is who is telling him it's totally doable |
| 00:47.58 | nevcairiel | you could probably try to track interrupt times, but even then, not like blizzard is going to care |
| 00:48.15 | nevcairiel | they could just track this globally for every single player if they wanted to |
| 00:48.56 | nevcairiel | pvpers are a crazy folk |
| 00:50.58 | Semlar | it's against the ToS to publicly call out specific people that you think might be botting, but it's the inevitable conclusion that i see this turning into |
| 00:51.57 | Mr_Rabies | it's just against the forum TOS right? |
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| 00:52.19 | Semlar | they don't want people starting witch hunts |
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| 00:52.43 | Amarande | yeah, arena is rife enough with high emotions as it is at high levels |
| 00:53.01 | Amarande | you have that, then you have the "win trading" bullshit with Blizzard a few years ago, etc. ... |
| 00:53.13 | Simca | calling out botters can sometimes be fine - if it is super mega obvious. if you record a video of a guy running in a perfect circle for 3 hours, okay, witch hunt |
| 00:53.26 | Amarande | like, for godssakes ... it's a friggin GAME |
| 00:53.27 | Simca | most of the time it's not that way though |
| 00:53.42 | Amarande | you play it to have fun ... if you're not having fun, maybe you shouldn't feel obligated to play it, amiright? :S |
| 00:53.53 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think you're gonna get banned from the game for calling out potential botters so long as you're not violating the tos in ways like, verbal abuse, etc |
| 00:54.13 | Amarande | some of these people act like their arena record is going to affect their real life |
| 00:54.17 | Semlar | you can submit a report about someone botting |
| 00:54.24 | Amarande | like if they can't win enough 3v3 they'll end up homeless or something |
| 00:54.37 | Semlar | you aren't supposed to attempt to publicly shame them |
| 00:54.41 | Mr_Rabies | definitely, but i'm also gonna call out people for doing bad things in public chat too :v |
| 00:54.43 | Simca | Semlar: yeah people just get frustrated because they don't see the action |
| 00:54.49 | Simca | because ban waves are so far apart |
| 00:55.12 | Amarande | Simca: whether or not to inform people about specific actions taken is yet another hot debate in community management |
| 00:55.21 | Amarande | mind you, I can see a case for disclosing the result of a report |
| 00:55.29 | Semlar | i'm just saying blizzard wants it handled through the proper channels |
| 00:55.51 | Amarande | at the Dark Jedi Brotherhood, for instance, every case that goes through the Justicar's chamber has its particulars and results noted down in the DB's community wiki |
| 00:56.13 | Amarande | (so yes, if you get found guilty of cheating and demoted in the club or banned, it's there on the wiki, forever :) |
| 00:56.19 | Semlar | with good reason too, some people can get a little too aggressive about these things |
| 00:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | CS:GO basically says "a player you reported has been actioned partially due to your report" or something along those lines |
| 00:56.44 | Amarande | mind you, the fact that blizzard is a for profit business might affect things a fair bit :S |
| 00:57.30 | Semlar | i briefly considered a website that people could upload combat logs to that would parse them and identify likely botters but that can only end badly |
| 00:57.49 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, that's a concern |
| 00:58.00 | Amarande | otoh, is it really possible for the community to get that much more toxic than it already is :( |
| 00:58.37 | Simca | tbh i probably would have done it, just for the hilarity |
| 00:58.48 | Amarande | because pretty much that's how wow is, you have a sea of community that ranges from anarchic don't-care to outright toxic, with a few little bright spots here and there :| |
| 00:59.02 | Simca | they're not going to punish you for making a website |
| 00:59.07 | nevcairiel | thats how the entire internet works =p |
| 00:59.14 | Mr_Rabies | eh, wow's nothing compared to any moba game's community |
| 00:59.15 | Semlar | they might try to get you to take it down |
| 00:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | the wow community is downright angelic in comparison |
| 00:59.31 | Amarande | nevcairiel: well yeah, it's pretty much just a specific manifestation of the overall phenomenon that is GIFT |
| 00:59.33 | Semlar | have you seen the pvp forum |
| 00:59.37 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: thats because mobas are exclusively pvp, which means only the bad people :D |
| 00:59.49 | Simca | legally they have no basis, and if they banned you for hosting a website, that would be a very interesting first |
| 01:00.01 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: hmm, haven't really looked that much into moba communities |
| 01:00.13 | Amarande | apart from the occasional post about character mechanics or "how to get (game) working on linux" |
| 01:00.16 | nevcairiel | they are like wow if you only take the wow pvp'lers |
| 01:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | trash talking is part of competition, but moba communities tend to be very, very volatile, compared to even the wow pvp community |
| 01:00.44 | Amarande | but I can't really be arsed to set up wine, so no lol for me, and last time I tried to play dota2 it kept crashing |
| 01:00.58 | Amarande | and then steam stopped wanting to work at all |
| 01:01.13 | Amarande | haven't seen yet if it works on the laptop |
| 01:01.35 | Amarande | (apparently the problem with steam had something to do with radeon open source drivers on debian, and I no longer use a radeon) |
| 01:02.07 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: and yet governments take these kids seriously enough to give actual athletic visas to championship competitors |
| 01:02.35 | Mr_Rabies | the professionals don't generally trash talk |
| 01:02.52 | Amarande | while by comparison, a far more civilised, established, even IOC-recognised-sport game like chess barely even registers ... sport is generally considered exempt from embargoes, but Fischer was charged in 1992 with violating one nonetheless |
| 01:03.36 | Amarande | yeah, the people whose lives actually DO ride on the games seem a lot more civilised don't they :) |
| 01:03.52 | Amarande | which returns us to ... sheesh, it's an effing game, why don't they just grow up, and take a break if they're not having fun |
| 01:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, it's that way with traditional sports, too |
| 01:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | i think trash talking is part of the fun to some folks, and i've definitely done my share from time to time |
| 01:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really a bad thing if you know where to draw the line |
| 01:04.50 | Amarande | if we had this kind of behaviour in say little league kids would be throwing baseballs at each other's head after every game and someone would probably go to the hospital regularly :P |
| 01:05.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's not really the best analogy |
| 01:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's more like minor league/amateur players trash talking, which happens all the time in just about any sport |
| 01:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | it might go a bit further sometimes online, but that's how it is, the incredibly low risk of physical harm to either party means you can go further with words without it getting physical |
| 01:09.00 | Semlar | until someone calls the cops on your house |
| 01:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | like swatting? |
| 01:09.58 | Amarande | swatting is illegal, Semlar |
| 01:10.08 | Amarande | hell it might even count as a terrorist offence at this point |
| 01:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but that's a crime, generally speaking, and it's in a totally different thing than an argument |
| 01:10.22 | Mr_Rabies | people don't get swatted over arguments, generally |
| 01:10.33 | Mr_Rabies | they get swatted when random trolls dig up personal info and do it for publicity |
| 01:11.23 | Mr_Rabies | well, semi-publicity, of course they wouldn't be able to really admit to it since it is generally a felony |
| 01:12.20 | Amarande | and in these days of police brutality ... wonder if it would count as felony murder if the swatting victim got shot by the cops |
| 01:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | entirely possible |
| 01:13.45 | Amarande | especially *now* ... would a kid who got swatted even stand much of a chance of living, or would they be more likely blasted into Prego given what's been going on with real attacks recently :| |
| 01:14.08 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think that's changed much, generally |
| 01:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | swat teams are a force response, and if the risk is considered high enough they may wind up with swat kicking a door down with no knocking involved, depending on the threat given |
| 01:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | which, if someone kicks your door down, and you've got self-defense weaponry ready, might end up in a tragedy |
| 01:16.22 | Amarande | yeah, cops these days already do crap like throw live grenades into babies' cribs (sheesh, don't they know that grenades contain small parts and should not be placed in the reach of children under three? :P) |
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| 01:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | that instance was basically worst case scenario |
| 01:17.34 | Amarande | seems like people are ever increasingly deciding that good and fair is no longer the way to do things :( |
| 01:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't even the right house, if i recall correctly |
| 01:18.04 | Amarande | god, I can barely even look at the newspapers lately, it's like there's invisible little wisps of hate emanating out of them nowadays :| |
| 01:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | that kinda thing requires a change in laws, though |
| 01:18.45 | Amarande | (in addition, of course, to the visible hate on the pages ... they're just *that* steeped with human rage and evil, though) |
| 01:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | they didn't do anything illegal in their raid as far as i know |
| 01:19.04 | Amarande | yeah, cops are given entirely too much latitude |
| 01:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | no-knock warrants really shouldn't be a thing |
| 01:19.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's just exposing both sides to an immediate escalation |
| 01:20.15 | Amarande | and meanwhile people go on about how 'blue lives matter' ... arguably, a huge part of the reason we already HAVE so many tragedies involving cops is because the cops have set it into their heads that their lives matter - and more than others' do |
| 01:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately, in the line of duty, you're going to have to face the risks it involves, and can't really mitigate those if it means increasing the risks to the populace |
| 01:24.52 | Amarande | sadly, there are some who even feel this is a deliberate, calculated change to police forces, and probably preparatory |
| 01:24.56 | Amarande | preparatory to the future, that is |
| 01:25.32 | Amarande | where the powers that be will want and need an absolutely powerful, virtually terroristic police force - because that's what it will take to contain the vast bulk of humanity once they are no longer relevant due to robotisation |
| 01:25.53 | Amarande | (and where we'll be fighting over significantly reduced food due to climate change and the exhaustion of nonrenewables) |
| 01:27.21 | Amarande | I mean really, what happens to ordinary joes like us once human labour simply is no longer of significant value? The rich probably won't want to pay for us and they won't want to see us shuffle in the streets either :P |
| 01:27.53 | Amarande | but there's also *enough* of us that if the forces of authority aren't airtight enough we'll probably run right over them to get food in the future world |
| 01:28.13 | Amarande | the learned helplessness has to start early :| |
| 01:40.43 | Amarande | and I killed the convo :P |
| 01:41.33 | bshelden | You did describe one of the doomsday scenerios. We go fully automated, the rich then proceed to purge the population and live on happily |
| 01:41.42 | bshelden | But they would purge, not contain. |
| 01:42.55 | Amarande | bshelden: one of the purge scenarios is to intern everyone, prevent reproduction and let them die out |
| 01:43.06 | bshelden | Man that's expensive. Just nuke. |
| 01:43.24 | Amarande | or in some scenarios, like the novella "Manna", just intern everyone in a giant human warehouse and more or less forget about them |
| 01:43.56 | Amarande | bshelden: rich just warehouse the poor out of sight and let the robots take care of them |
| 01:44.18 | Amarande | actually perhaps more efficient, because it's pretty difficult to eliminate a population wholesale |
| 01:44.29 | bshelden | Not really, not if you don't care about disposal. |
| 01:44.31 | Amarande | especially because one of the instinctive reactions to mass death is a massive urge to reproduce |
| 01:44.58 | Amarande | (that's basically what's going on in africa, pretty much every means of dying horribly in the world, it's there in spades, yet the population keeps soaring) |
| 01:45.35 | bshelden | If you have the means to warehouse the population, you can cut off the food supply, weld shut the doors, and fill the thing with fire |
| 01:46.23 | Amarande | also the rich probably do somewhat care about disposal |
| 01:46.32 | Amarande | primarily because germs don't really give a damn if you're rich :| |
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| 01:47.17 | Amarande | which is pretty much how such near-doomsday scenarios like the stagnation of the 14th century were broken ... plague didn't care how much money you had |
| 01:47.29 | Amarande | (heck, the way medicine was back then, you might even have been BETTER off sick and poor than sick and rich heh) |
| 02:04.06 | A-KO | ^ |
| 02:04.19 | A-KO | LET'S BLOOD LET YOU AND THEN FILL YOU WITH MERCURY |
| 02:04.22 | A-KO | THE BEST DOCTORS HAD TO OFFER |
| 02:04.26 | Amarande | hah |
| 02:04.33 | Amarande | like that emperor of China a long long time ago |
| 02:04.36 | A-KO | ^ These were true treatments... |
| 02:04.39 | A-KO | Romans, too |
| 02:04.40 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:04.48 | Amarande | he was given that elixir made with mercury that was supposed to make him immortal |
| 02:04.51 | A-KO | yeah |
| 02:04.58 | A-KO | it made him immortal alright--we still talk about it :D |
| 02:04.59 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:05.04 | Amarande | well, I suppose he's now immortal in a way, he's remembered forever as that guy who was daft enough to drink an immortality elixir made from mercury :) |
| 02:05.07 | A-KO | "Look at this anceitn dumbass, he drank mercury and died." |
| 02:05.09 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:05.32 | Amarande | like that fool in the 1920s who drank several bottles of radium water a day and then died in the 30s |
| 02:05.49 | Amarande | though that was even more widespread, in the 20s they actually thought radiation was good for you |
| 02:05.55 | A-KO | he didn't get super powers? :( |
| 02:06.06 | Amarande | no, his jaw fell off and he died, basically |
| 02:07.00 | Amarande | heck in the 20s there were even special water jugs sold with radioactive linings that you were supposedly supposed to put water in "for that essential radiation infusion" and then drink it the next day |
| 02:07.31 | Amarande | (someone actually tested one of those a while back ... didn't really add that much radiation to the water, although it did add lovely things like uranium and lead, part of this nutritious breakfast :P) |
| 02:11.54 | A-KO | They actually blame lead for the massive crime rates in the 70s and 80s |
| 02:12.00 | A-KO | in the US |
| 02:12.31 | A-KO | there's a noted, causative reduction in crime in the US after we banned lead paints and such |
| 02:16.08 | Amarande | OTOH, lead causes delayed puberty, I have to wonder if lead bans have resulted in more middle and high school students being distracted by hormones and more teenage pregnancies :| |
| 02:16.30 | Amarande | although, the answer to that I suppose is that you can't win, you can pretty much only trade one set of negatives for a different one |
| 02:26.30 | raylu | eh? why not? we make actual improvements all the time |
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| 03:40.27 | kd3 | wow. it's actually raining hard enough that I can hear it hitting the roof |
| 03:40.29 | kd3 | yay! |
| 03:49.06 | ccox | kd3 - you must be in CA... |
| 03:49.13 | kd3 | yup. oakland |
| 03:49.19 | ccox | <- San Jose |
| 03:50.33 | kd3 | that'd make you the... 5th? 6th? person I know of in here in the bay area |
| 03:50.39 | kd3 | guess I shouldn't be too surprised by that |
| 03:50.40 | ccox | radar shows youâre getting a pretty strong band, should be 20 minutes out for me |
| 03:52.14 | ccox | and my friends will be happy that the mountains are getting snow |
| 03:53.21 | ccox | forecast says we may have big storms around 2am in the san jose area |
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| 03:55.07 | pompy | inc landslides. |
| 03:55.08 | pompy | be safe. |
| 03:56.40 | kd3 | I'm far from the hills, should be ok |
| 03:57.47 | Arrowmaster | inc floods. |
| 03:57.49 | Arrowmaster | be safe. |
| 03:58.14 | kd3 | that's something I'm a bit more worried about. drainage isn't really a thing, I've found |
| 03:58.29 | Semlar | moves kd3 to higher ground |
| 03:58.42 | kd3 | eh, I'm on the third floor. my car, on the other hand... |
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| 04:03.11 | ccox | Iâll worry more about flooded roads and CA drivers in the morning... |
| 04:03.37 | kd3 | ugh, that's right. I've gotta go to the city tomorrow. >.< |
| 04:03.54 | kd3 | wow, I already sound like a native. calling SF 'the city' >.< |
| 04:04.52 | Semlar | do you call alcatraz the rock |
| 04:05.30 | kd3 | nah |
| 04:05.32 | Amarande | heh, meanwhile around here 'the city' almost universally refers to New York |
| 04:05.58 | Amarande | even though Boston is not that much further away, Boston is not 'the city', Boston is Boston, 'the city' is NYC |
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| 04:09.34 | Fredro | don't you guys in CA want rain? Thought it was very dry |
| 04:09.40 | kd3 | we do |
| 04:09.46 | kd3 | that's why my second line was 'yay!' |
| 04:10.05 | Fredro | :) |
| 04:10.21 | pompy | but the land there really doesnt like rain! |
| 04:11.16 | Amarande | Fredro: yeah but kd3 doesn't want to find his car at the bottom of the Bay in the morning |
| 04:11.24 | Fredro | lol |
| 04:11.47 | Fredro | better strap it |
| 04:15.08 | Fredro | we have some minor flooding here |
| 04:18.09 | Fredro | http://i.imgur.com/48kgJKq.jpg |
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| 06:06.16 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 06:07.29 | mckenziemc | hugs Fisker in a drunken stupor. |
| 06:07.37 | mckenziemc | isn't really drunk and hugs Cairenn. |
| 06:09.04 | fewyn | mckenziemc: http://i.imgur.com/oK5uVGc.jpg |
| 06:10.00 | mckenziemc | my printer is out of commision |
| 06:10.13 | mckenziemc | i broke the new nozzle while trying to make sure it was in tight >.> |
| 06:10.46 | mckenziemc | fewyn: and how long did that take to print |
| 06:10.53 | fewyn | 2 hours |
| 06:11.10 | fewyn | 0.2mm layers |
| 06:12.35 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker and mckenziemc and everyone else too |
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| 07:20.17 | Torhal | ships Cairenn to The Bahamas in an attempt to save her from the onslaught of Canadian snow. |
| 07:25.35 | mckenziemc | ships Torhal to Pluto in an attempt to save him from Impending DOOM |
| 07:26.01 | mckenziemc | . |
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| 07:29.07 | Torhal | ships mckenziemc to a bunch of demons, to save him from having to play DOOM. |
| 09:03.23 | Fredro | makes Torhal unstable with a 2.5 kernel |
| 09:04.19 | Torhal | makes Fredro unsecure with a 2.4 kernel. |
| 09:04.34 | Fredro | :| |
| 09:05.39 | Torhal | I actually performed a remote kernel update from Virginia Beach on a machine in Ann Arbor because it was running 2.4 |
| 09:06.12 | Fredro | how did it go? |
| 09:06.31 | Torhal | Rebooted just fine. Everyone I worked with thought I was a fucking nutcase. |
| 09:06.39 | Fredro | haha |
| 09:06.47 | Torhal | This was in 1999, after all... |
| 09:07.27 | Fredro | must prepare for year 2000! |
| 09:07.39 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 09:07.55 | Torhal | Ok, time to try to sleep again. Hopefully I won't puke again. |
| 09:08.06 | Fredro | good luck! |
| 10:31.35 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: maybe you should get an extended warranty on yourself |
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| 11:04.10 | sb | :( |
| 11:04.14 | sb | what are you doing? |
| 11:04.16 | sb | while sleeping |
| 11:27.31 | winny | not sleeping obv |
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| 15:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, delicious mortals. Happy Fry Day. |
| 15:23.52 | mckenziemc | fries Fisker in celebration. |
| 15:55.50 | karl_w_w | I think you'll find the official name is Poets Day |
| 16:01.04 | mckenziemc | writes a poem about stabbing karl_w_w. |
| 16:01.43 | karl_w_w | why would you write a poem? |
| 16:01.51 | mckenziemc | stabs karl_w_w. |
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| 17:00.04 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 17:00.17 | Lopeppeppy | I have mac and cheese, your arguments are irrelephant. |
| 17:00.34 | Fisker | There are no arguments |
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| 17:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | I disagree! |
| 17:04.35 | Fisker | Your disagreement is irrelephant |
| 17:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeeek, a mouse. |
| 17:14.33 | Lopeppeppy | patiently stalks Unkle. |
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| 17:43.45 | Cairenn | thanks Torhal |
| 17:44.14 | Torhal | Cairenn ? |
| 17:44.29 | Cairenn | Shipping me to Bahamas while I was asleep last night |
| 17:45.27 | Torhal | Oh, yeah. Not a problem! |
| 17:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | stabs Torhal. |
| 17:45.43 | Torhal | :O |
| 17:45.44 | Arrow|work | sounds nice |
| 17:45.55 | Lopeppeppy | You did not put me in the carry-on luggage. So disappointed. |
| 17:47.59 | Ressy | $30 carry-on luggage just for you? Expensive. |
| 17:51.19 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 17:51.28 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 17:51.57 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn without her noticing |
| 17:52.07 | Cairenn | always notices |
| 17:52.27 | Fisker | cries |
| 17:52.45 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 17:53.39 | Fisker | :) |
| 17:56.25 | Torhal | I'll ship you next time, Lopeppeppy! |
| 17:56.40 | Fisker | I'll ship you Torhal |
| 17:56.43 | Torhal | Just no more stabs. |
| 17:57.00 | Torhal | Why Fisker? |
| 17:57.11 | Fisker | Why not |
| 17:57.44 | Torhal | So evil. |
| 17:58.25 | Fisker | No |
| 17:58.43 | Torhal | Verily. |
| 17:58.52 | Fisker | Just ask Cairenn |
| 18:03.48 | Cairenn | is a monkey - sees no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil |
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| 18:44.57 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: what about "do"? |
| 18:45.14 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 18:45.26 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 18:45.29 | Fisker | Cairenn isn't evil :( |
| 18:45.42 | zenzelezz | don't have to be evil to do evil |
| 18:46.53 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 19:15.43 | Unkle | Evil is as Evil does. |
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| 20:12.19 | jookya | can anyone simplify this? http://pastebin.com/xchXinAj |
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| 20:19.39 | Shirik | well the most obvious way to simplify it is to stop putting everything on one line |
| 20:20.16 | Shirik | there is a lot of logic you can perform on that to make it less operations, but in the end that is not relevant because if you can't do it yourself, then having someone else "simplify" it for you is only going to make it more confusing to you |
| 20:20.22 | Shirik | and it's sure as hell not going to make a difference in performance |
| 20:21.25 | Shirik | if you choose to learn how to do it yourself, then I advise learning about "karnaugh maps" and using that to solve for the simplest representation |
| 20:28.16 | p3lim | It's 2015, why doesn't firefox support html5 videos on youtube yet? :/ |
| 20:28.26 | Shirik | because firefox is terrible |
| 20:28.31 | Ressy | should.... |
| 20:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | pounces Unkle. |
| 20:29.45 | Unkle | is pounced. |
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| 20:35.26 | fewyn | TIL that there is a max number of adds that can spawn in the razorgore fight |
| 20:36.02 | Semlar | p3lim: firefox does support html5 |
| 20:36.51 | p3lim | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/I1mu3yd.png |
| 20:36.56 | Fisker | Why wouldn't there be a max fewyn ? |
| 20:37.22 | fewyn | because this was vanilla wow |
| 20:37.32 | Semlar | p3lim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32INUJdxbRk&html5=1 |
| 20:37.34 | Fisker | Yeah so? |
| 20:37.55 | foxlit | p3lim is probably on some platform for losers that has no video codec support. |
| 20:38.42 | p3lim | foxlit: you're right, I'm on Windows |
| 20:38.55 | fewyn | buuuuuuuuurn |
| 20:39.06 | foxlit | Windows for Losers edition. |
| 20:39.14 | Stanzilla | that is Windows 10, right? |
| 20:39.20 | p3lim | they've abbreviated it to the number "10" |
| 20:39.49 | fewyn | So when is apple going to sue microsoft for using 10? that's their thing right? |
| 20:39.53 | fewyn | just like rounded corners |
| 20:39.59 | p3lim | nono |
| 20:40.05 | p3lim | Apple uses roman numerals |
| 20:40.08 | foxlit | fwiw, firefox on win10 has everything but MSE&VP9 checked for me. |
| 20:40.19 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ZtUz88e.jpg |
| 20:40.33 | p3lim | odd |
| 20:40.33 | foxlit | ^ looks like that. |
| 20:40.35 | p3lim | any plugins? |
| 20:40.39 | Semlar | no |
| 20:40.40 | foxlit | no. |
| 20:40.57 | p3lim | codec packs? |
| 20:41.01 | Semlar | um probably, i do video encoding |
| 20:41.41 | fewyn | youtube has been utter shit lately |
| 20:41.43 | fewyn | quality wise |
| 20:41.44 | Constie | I want a time machine so I can jump forward like 250 years and maybe by then websites will be good. |
| 20:41.45 | fewyn | for me |
| 20:41.50 | Semlar | although just having vlc or mpc-hc might have done it |
| 20:42.09 | p3lim | got mpc-hc as well (CCCP package) |
| 20:42.19 | foxlit | I think FF is actually supposed to bundle everything, and at the very least vp8 |
| 20:42.26 | p3lim | which should cover the most common codexes |
| 20:42.28 | Semlar | maybe he has an old version of firefox |
| 20:42.40 | foxlit | (heck, they even ship binary h.264 decoders for some situations) |
| 20:42.40 | p3lim | just got the latest one off the site today |
| 20:42.41 | Semlar | or has some of this actively disabled |
| 20:42.50 | p3lim | no plugins or anything |
| 20:43.04 | Amarande | fewyn: can't trademark a number |
| 20:43.14 | fewyn | apple will find a way |
| 20:43.14 | Amarande | that's why intel went with "Pentium" instead of 80586 way back when |
| 20:43.28 | Semlar | i don't know then, i didn't do anything special to enable html5 |
| 20:43.50 | Semlar | if anything i had the player disabled because it wasn't working right early on |
| 20:44.36 | Stanzilla | maybe you have mozillas flash replacement thingy installed |
| 20:45.20 | jookya | arghh wtf now. anyone have experience with weakauras? |
| 20:45.30 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 20:45.47 | p3lim | hm maybe |
| 20:45.54 | p3lim | I don't have flash installed at all afaik |
| 20:46.04 | p3lim | unless ff adds it somewhere hidden |
| 20:46.10 | Semlar | it doesn't |
| 20:46.16 | fewyn | i bought a servo from radio shack for my 3d printer... it's crap... and 12$.... so i ordered a 5 pack of chinese ones off amazon for 12$ and they work way better |
| 20:46.38 | Stanzilla | Shumway is the name |
| 20:47.04 | foxlit | should have no bearing on reported codec support, really |
| 20:47.24 | Amarande | fewyn: just farm the robots in borean tundra for a while, they seem to drop plenty of parts :) |
| 20:48.16 | fewyn | moral of the story: radio shack sucks |
| 20:48.30 | Amarande | yes, radio shack sucks |
| 20:48.37 | Amarande | a 1-foot USB cable there is like $13 |
| 20:48.52 | Amarande | meanwhile a 10-foot USB cable in the electronics gifts section at Burlington Coat Factory is $5 |
| 20:49.13 | fewyn | i just finished replacing the servo in my 3d printer well worth it |
| 20:49.42 | p3lim | I'll take a look, thanks Stanzilla |
| 20:49.54 | fewyn | means i can just let the software "level" my bed for me (it just compensates for an unlevel bed by measuring in 9 different points) |
| 21:02.36 | fewyn | http://www.friendswholiketrump.com/ |
| 21:03.21 | pompy | wtf |
| 21:10.09 | Amarande | fewyn: politics has gone off the deep end in general lately |
| 21:10.18 | fewyn | truefact |
| 21:10.25 | Amarande | like you have people welcoming the various executive orders about gun control |
| 21:10.34 | Amarande | quotes like "There is frustration that the legislative branch failed to act after the mass killing of children so the president is doing what he can." |
| 21:11.04 | Amarande | ... and you know, I don't even *want* a gun, what I'm more concerned about is that the executive seems to feel more and more ok with acting unilaterally by fiat, *and people are not only ok with it but actually welcome it* |
| 21:11.28 | Amarande | sheesh guys ... that's the sort of thing that easily becomes the thin end :| |
| 21:12.52 | Amarande | when I went to school, we took classes about the Constitution and the government, and checks and balances were presented as a cherished tenet ... nowadays people seem to regard it as a deadly hobble instead :( |
| 21:17.14 | Stanzilla | wow only 1 here |
| 21:17.16 | Stanzilla | expected more |
| 21:18.34 | p3lim | right, firefox is still bad, I cannot for the life of me get any video to play, and the process spikes to 100% cpu if I open up an image that is >3k pixels |
| 21:19.02 | p3lim | >3000x3000 rather |
| 21:19.56 | zenzelezz | most people don't watch that resolution porn in a browser |
| 21:20.03 | Semlar | plebs |
| 21:20.20 | Amarande | I've barely touched Firefox in ages |
| 21:20.38 | p3lim | I give it a look about once a year to see if they've caught up with technology |
| 21:20.46 | p3lim | always a disappointment |
| 21:21.10 | Semlar | firefox > chrome wanna fight? |
| 21:21.21 | Amarande | apart from when hexchat launches it when I meant to launch chromium, about the only time I've used it lately is on the family PC to log onto my old employer's electronic paystubs site to retrieve my info :S |
| 21:21.25 | Amarande | and that's because the family PC doesn't have chrome |
| 21:21.43 | Amarande | and I didn't feel like trying to install it on that old piece of crap hard drive it has LOL |
| 21:21.43 | p3lim | puts on his boxing gloves |
| 21:22.05 | Semlar | hides behind torhal |
| 21:22.07 | Amarande | (it's not even that awful of a machine but the hard disk is an ancient IDE unit and slow as sludge) |
| 21:23.09 | p3lim | I'd love to use firefox for it's customizability, but it's just lackluster af |
| 21:23.19 | Semlar | hey, my firefox works |
| 21:23.54 | p3lim | Semlar: open up a gfycat at 1080p and start resizing it rapidly |
| 21:24.13 | p3lim | gonna end up using firefox as a bench tool instead of a browser |
| 21:25.05 | p3lim | oh, and for some reason mp4 from gfycat works, wonder what codec they use.. |
| 21:26.19 | Semlar | i don't have any problems resizing gfycat |
| 21:26.34 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/675415065965649920 |
| 21:26.34 | p3lim | caps my cpu |
| 21:26.38 | fewyn | incase any of you use onedrive |
| 21:26.42 | fewyn | click the link |
| 21:26.49 | Semlar | i'd record it but all i have is dxtory and it can't record a browser |
| 21:27.11 | p3lim | I thought dxtory could record desktop |
| 21:27.14 | Semlar | my cpu is bigger than your cpu |
| 21:27.43 | p3lim | probably, 1151 socket is tiny |
| 21:29.07 | Semlar | dxtory just records directx |
| 21:34.32 | jookya | fucking weakauras |
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| 21:42.25 | Stanzilla | agree |
| 21:43.17 | Semlar | rip |
| 21:43.43 | nevcairiel | yeah those authors still didnt fix the slacking auras after a cinematic |
| 21:44.02 | Stanzilla | fucking slackers |
| 21:44.23 | Semlar | http://gfycat.com/BountifulUniformDrafthorse weakaura master race |
| 21:44.56 | Semlar | i should remake this and make it more distracting |
| 21:45.10 | Mr_Rabies | at the end of the animation, satan steps through the monitor into the mortal realm |
| 21:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | have it blast this throughout, semlar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=havhaDYh0Sc [loud, also possibly nsfw audio?] |
| 21:47.18 | Semlar | just replace your whole interface with weak auras |
| 21:47.42 | Semlar | lag out during boss fights |
| 21:48.05 | Stanzilla | great idea |
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| 21:51.25 | p3lim | like that hunter that remade the ironman suit ui with weakauras |
| 21:52.08 | p3lim | this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJQmwx4iqbk |
| 21:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | aesthetically i love that thing, realistically holy lol |
| 21:55.34 | Semlar | eh, i've raided with less of my screen visible |
| 21:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but semlars gonna semlar |
| 21:57.18 | Semlar | i play a hunter, what do i need to look at |
| 21:57.47 | Semlar | although to be fair i would say that about any class |
| 21:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm constantly spinning my camera around looking at the other raiders during fights so i can identify mechanics problems, i gotta have that screen real estate open |
| 21:59.13 | Semlar | i turn my monitor off |
| 21:59.27 | Semlar | i don't want to see this http://i.imgur.com/nExd91E.jpg |
| 22:17.15 | foxlit | hey Semlar, use your math skills for me. |
| 22:17.31 | Semlar | umm |
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| 22:17.51 | Semlar | sure why not |
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| 22:18.26 | foxlit | if each resource node yields two items, four resource nodes spawn per 70 minutes, and each item converts to roughly 55 scrips, 250 scrips exchange for 5 tokens, 99 tokens buy 1 thing, and there are 9 things to buy, how long is this grind going to take? |
| 22:18.33 | Semlar | forever |
| 22:18.48 | foxlit | but that's terrible |
| 22:18.52 | tem | wow this irc client is dumb |
| 22:18.58 | tem | it highlighted me on the word "item" |
| 22:19.08 | tem | and "items" |
| 22:19.16 | Semlar | to be fair, "tem" is in there |
| 22:20.04 | tem | it's not super hard to require a word boundary |
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| 22:20.56 | Semlar | but then you couldn't ping ackis by saying hackish |
| 22:21.43 | Torhal | pings Semlar by saying Semlar. |
| 22:21.47 | Semlar | rude |
| 22:22.04 | Torhal | :/ |
| 22:22.17 | Semlar | o wait i guess that's okay |
| 22:23.31 | Semlar | i don't think neffikins pings neffi |
| 22:23.47 | Torhal | TIL Semlar has a pet name for Neffi. |
| 22:24.56 | Amarande | tem: hah, reminds me of an incident in a channel on gamesurge a long time ago |
| 22:25.10 | Amarande | op's name was Trogdor or something similar |
| 22:25.29 | Amarande | welp, anyway, just as he was trying to get to sleep we started getting into a very geeky discussion about chemistry |
| 22:25.40 | Amarande | eventually I got kicked for mentioning 'nitrogen' too many times, apparently LOL |
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| 22:26.54 | Semlar | would you like one too torhal |
| 22:27.42 | Torhal | No, Semlar. I would not. That likely makes no difference to you, since you're obviously That Guy. |
| 22:28.09 | Semlar | you're thinking of someone else |
| 22:30.13 | tem | Amarande: LOL |
| 22:30.59 | bshelden | You remind me. There's a bit of a culture in the minecraft channels over on espernet of avoiding any names of people. It's tolerated to freak out about pings. |
| 22:31.31 | tem | lol wut |
| 22:31.39 | Simca | <foxlit> if each resource node yields two items, four resource nodes spawn per 70 minutes, and each item converts to roughly 55 scrips, 250 scrips exchange for 5 tokens, 99 tokens buy 1 thing, and there are 9 things to buy, how long is this grind going to take? |
| 22:31.40 | Amarande | of course this is why one uses hexchat instead of mirc |
| 22:31.43 | Simca | 118.125 hours |
| 22:31.47 | bshelden | And common sense responses like suggesting configuring the client not to ping on "item" leads to an instant kick. |
| 22:31.57 | Amarande | hexchat just blinks the systray icon and turns the appropriate channel entry in the list green |
| 22:32.02 | Amarande | instead of DING DING DING like mirc |
| 22:34.47 | Simca | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JDbWPxMEx0kZ8jt7aivHFoAp97MrDdFsGYdytaCDMtI this is the first time I've used this format of thinking since chemistry class, so yay foxlit for finding a real-world scenario |
| 22:35.28 | Semlar | thinking is what wolframalpha is for |
| 22:36.04 | Simca | I agree, that's typically what I would do |
| 22:36.09 | Semlar | although it looks like my original assessment was correct |
| 22:42.18 | foxlit | it's amusing that you took a reciprocal of every presented ratio. |
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| 22:44.37 | Simca | the way i was taught it - you take the unit you want and put it on top in the first ratio. then you match everything else up so that the unit on the bottom in the previous ratio is on top in the current ratio. that ensures all of the units cancel out except the one at the beginning (and sometimes the end) |
| 22:53.03 | foxlit | 9 / (4*2*55/70 * 5/250 * 1/99) is what I would've gone with. |
| 22:54.26 | Simca | i admit to having done it that way a lot in the past |
| 22:54.32 | foxlit | ie constant-velocity motion. |
| 22:54.36 | Simca | looking at my answer and realizing it makes no sense |
| 22:54.44 | Simca | then hitting 1/X on my calculator. |
| 23:03.20 | foxlit | still like the "Level Up!?" animation in this thing |
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