| 00:01.32 | mckenziemc | it would only be cannibalism if you were human |
| 00:02.16 | Torhal | Oh. |
| 00:02.37 | mckenziemc | just ask Semlar2 |
| 00:03.11 | Torhal | I can't. You ate his face off. |
| 00:16.31 | mckenziemc | determines from observation that the time derivative of Torhal is negative. |
| 00:16.47 | Torhal | Only because you observed it, you monster. |
| 00:17.09 | mckenziemc | shrinks Torhal faster. |
| 00:17.28 | Torhal | reverses mckenziemc's polarity so Semlar2 can hack the planet. |
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| 00:29.53 | karl_w_w | superscripts Semlar2's 2, causing a black hole to form and swallow mckenziemc |
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| 00:38.03 | Semlar | i'm a singularity! |
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| 00:56.56 | airtonix_ | is fallout four buggy? |
| 01:02.08 | Arrowmaster | its it made by bethesda? |
| 01:04.45 | Primer | I've not had it crash one yet |
| 01:04.55 | Primer | I'm 20 hours in |
| 01:05.07 | Primer | s/one/once/ |
| 01:05.11 | Arrowmaster | crashes and bugs are different |
| 01:05.44 | Primer | I had one quest that didn't have a dialog |
| 01:05.53 | Primer | all of a sudden it went "Mission so and so failed" |
| 01:06.19 | Primer | It was a quest with a limited time associated with it |
| 01:06.44 | Primer | I also turn on all dialog texts, and some times a text stays forever |
| 01:07.06 | Primer | other dialogs happen, I see their texts, but then it reverts back to the text it's "stuck" on |
| 01:18.24 | Amarande | ... it's bethesda, dude |
| 01:18.45 | Amarande | in the olden days, Little Timmy falls down a well. in Bethesda, Little Timmy falls down a well and autosaves as he's doing so. :) |
| 01:20.15 | Primer | I thought Bethesda had a really good reputation for quality software |
| 01:20.27 | Simca | lol. |
| 01:21.06 | Simca | Bethesda has a reputation for making expansive and interesting worlds and for their games being riddled with bugs |
| 01:28.50 | Primer | I can't even think of any other game they've made that I've played |
| 01:28.54 | Primer | I just heard that from someone |
| 01:29.44 | Primer | One thing I didn't know was that Fallout 4 was effectively a post apocalyptic steampunk Skyrim |
| 01:30.05 | Primer | I bought Skyrim when it went on sale on steam for $5, played it for a few days, and got bored with it |
| 01:30.37 | Primer | I'm kinda feeling the same about Fallout 4...except I sank 60 non-refundable bucks into it |
| 01:30.56 | Torhal | If you're into exploration, Bethesda games are for you. |
| 01:31.15 | Torhal | And they're all full of bugs that will never be fixed. |
| 01:31.28 | Torhal | "Oh, yeah, we know that's been a bug for four years, but here - NEW DLC!!!!!" |
| 01:33.33 | Primer | I like exploration, but games like Skyrim and Fallout overdo the whole crafting thing |
| 01:33.54 | Primer | I don't want to have to keep notes while playing a game |
| 01:35.08 | Primer | Or running into monsters that are incredibly OP compared to you, all because you went south instead of east |
| 01:38.05 | Primer | Like in wow, a monster with red text == too high for you, yellow == hard, green == easy |
| 01:38.14 | Primer | In Fallout there's just a skull |
| 01:38.17 | Primer | all or nothing |
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| 01:57.18 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, it's a little surprising how stable Bethesda is as a business |
| 01:57.22 | Amarande | because when you put it that way ... |
| 01:57.44 | Amarande | I seem to remember another company that was famous for expansive and interesting worlds and they, too, were plagued with bugs and that actually brought them low |
| 01:57.49 | Amarande | They were called Troika |
| 02:08.10 | Primer | Another thing I feel that Fallout 4 lacks in is...help |
| 02:08.19 | Primer | granted, there's a huge help section in game |
| 02:08.44 | Primer | but there are a few concepts that weren't all that obvious |
| 02:08.50 | Primer | and I had to go online to read up on them |
| 02:09.03 | Primer | <-- no fallout or much Skyrim background |
| 02:09.13 | Amarande | eh, if anything games are getting a little too hand-holding lately at times |
| 02:09.22 | Primer | Anyhow, last night I got motion sickness while playing :( |
| 02:09.33 | Amarande | contrast, say, old school games, where you were pretty much expected to learn plenty of things through pain and suffering |
| 02:09.44 | Primer | I tried setting up a new 'profile' for my son to play, but apparently there's no such concept in Fallout 4 |
| 02:09.51 | Amarande | like oh say Eye of the Beholder, where you might not even know there's mind flayers till you run into one |
| 02:10.01 | Primer | I wonder if that somehow changed the default FOV |
| 02:10.05 | Primer | which I know I changed at the start |
| 02:10.11 | Primer | He said he got motion sick too |
| 02:10.38 | Amarande | motion sickness ... dude just admit it, you drank too much Nuka-Cola :) |
| 02:11.02 | Primer | I confess I'm addicted to jet |
| 02:23.13 | Simca | <Amarande> like oh say Eye of the Beholder, where you might not even know there's mind flayers till you run into one |
| 02:23.18 | Simca | the help has nothing to do with types of enemies |
| 02:23.29 | Simca | it's about the UI and stuff |
| 02:23.32 | Simca | and some of it is pretty awful |
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| 02:36.12 | Amarande | ah, yeah ... the UI generally ought to be explained well |
| 02:36.15 | Amarande | unless you're playing Hacker, of course |
| 02:36.18 | Amarande | LOGON PLEASE :D |
| 02:36.47 | Amarande | (but that's because figuring out how the system worked was actually part of the puzzle) |
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| 02:47.24 | mckenziemc | +xp item just after i used up most of my characters' darkmoon carousel buff and rest :'( |
| 02:48.37 | mckenziemc | (part of the complaint being that i've already spent more time on wow recently than i should've instead of college studies) |
| 02:49.29 | Primer | I just another mission for one of those 300% XP for 15 minute things |
| 02:50.27 | Primer | I helped someone recently go from 93 to 96 in those 15 minutes by flying them while the killed the last mob needed for each bonus area of Gorgrond |
| 02:50.30 | mckenziemc | i just another incomplete sentence |
| 02:50.44 | Primer | He didn't expect it to go so quickly and had 5m left |
| 02:51.02 | Primer | we we just killed level 100 mobs in that northeast area of Gorgrond |
| 02:51.16 | Primer | s/^we/so/ |
| 02:51.51 | Primer | It was one of those "paying 1000g for 15m of your time if you have a 2 person mount and flying in Draenor", but I did it for free |
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| 03:45.20 | airtonix_ | lol steampunk |
| 03:45.24 | airtonix_ | hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 03:45.30 | airtonix_ | ./tears |
| 03:45.44 | airtonix_ | til startrek was steampunk |
| 03:45.55 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:46.31 | Simca | steam powered warp engines |
| 03:46.33 | Simca | clearly |
| 03:50.10 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 03:50.12 | Fisker | e |
| 03:50.12 | Fisker | y |
| 03:51.37 | mckenziemc | feeds some of bluspacecow's hay to Fiskre. |
| 03:52.02 | mckenziemc | dammit Fisker why are you english again |
| 03:53.19 | Simca | throws hay at Fisker until he dies. |
| 03:54.36 | Fisker | :( |
| 03:56.48 | mckenziemc | watch out Simca, those Danish-English cows bite. |
| 04:01.40 | Amarande | "Entering the Moo Moo Farm. You have died. Press ESC to continue. Your deeds of valor will be remembered." |
| 04:01.51 | Amarande | Remember those good ol' days? :) |
| 04:02.32 | Amarande | except I never had the guts to play HC, heh |
| 04:05.34 | mckenziemc | demotes Amarande to Cowhand. |
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| 04:28.20 | raylu | i, too, used to think hardcore mode in action rpgs was good for me |
| 04:28.30 | raylu | and i do kinda miss those high-adrenaline moments where i nearly died |
| 04:28.52 | raylu | but i don't miss not being able to play with a friend because one of us is dead |
| 04:34.26 | mckenziemc | who needs friends when you have hardcore mode |
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| 04:59.42 | Amarande | actually, the main reason I didn't have the "guts" to play HC is because, well |
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| 05:00.17 | Amarande | substitute "guts" for "masochism to entrust your hours of gaming and your character's fate to the vagaries of servers that were pretty much constantly being DoS'd for fun and profit" :( |
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| 05:29.02 | Cairenn | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT-EO2PVAAATufO.jpg |
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| 05:30.44 | mckenziemc1 | i will hug you Cairenn. |
| 05:30.47 | mckenziemc1 | hugs Cairenn. |
| 05:31.23 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 05:32.05 | mckenziemc | ): |
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| 05:33.12 | mckenziemc | cries. |
| 05:42.39 | Cairenn | No cry. |
| 05:44.32 | mckenziemc | no hug :( |
| 05:46.41 | Cairenn | Stuff and things, nothing to do with you, all is good. |
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| 05:58.01 | Trela | Whelp, I just learned that buffer overflows when reading files from disk is bad. |
| 05:58.10 | Arm0n | SSD? |
| 05:59.44 | Trela | Issue with putting filenames into an array missing the terminating null byte due to a sloppy string copy. |
| 06:00.09 | Trela | I have not worked in raw C in so long. D: |
| 06:00.54 | Arm0n | ah |
| 06:02.20 | Trela | It resulted in a firmware patch file on a SD card being streamed to an audio decoder chip. Just results in a crash, but still bad. :P |
| 06:25.54 | raylu | https://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2000-08/msg00061.html |
| 06:27.14 | Fisker | barely knows what consciousness is and hugs Cairenn |
| 06:27.25 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:27.35 | Fisker | hi |
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| 06:45.47 | mckenziemc | is there a way to tell in-game, given a frame reference, what file (lua or xml) and line number it was created on? |
| 06:49.35 | Semlar | no |
| 06:50.06 | Semlar | i mean maybe if you observed it being created |
| 06:54.53 | Semlar | if you hooked CreateFrame and did a traceback on the function call |
| 06:55.39 | mckenziemc | that might be useful as a tool |
| 06:55.51 | mckenziemc | but for now i may have found what i was looking for |
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| 20:39.24 | Gnarfoz | no arrests, yet, no explosives, Alram |
| 20:39.33 | Gnarfoz | or Stanzilla, whoever |
| 20:39.42 | Alram | as long as its "no explosions" too |
| 20:39.44 | Alram | all good |
| 20:39.55 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yeah I'm watching |
| 20:40.57 | Gnarfoz | he just said no explosives found, yet, and she asks about explosives... well I guess it's their job, but that was kind of a wasted question ;p |
| 20:46.17 | Gnarfoz | where the hell does Phoenix have their microphones, constantly hearing people shift around |
| 20:46.53 | nevcairiel | phoenix is a combined project of ard and zdf, why cant they just piggy back on the ard mic thats in the midle of the desk |
| 20:47.42 | Gnarfoz | beats me |
| 20:48.05 | Gnarfoz | guy on the right looks like Assange with non-white hair |
| 20:48.35 | Gnarfoz | but that's enough TV for me right now, ticker is good enough and not annoying to listen to |
| 20:49.42 | nevcairiel | not quite as creepy as assange |
| 21:01.32 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/5kdFdIJ.jpg |
| 21:01.35 | fewyn | thanks Gnarfoz |
| 21:03.17 | Gnarfoz | well, I'm no expert, but I'm still a bit put off by the "put wires on terminals, even though there's pre-drilled holes" approach, but if that's what the manual says... |
| 21:03.34 | nevcairiel | i assume 12 and 24V are alternatives and not meant to be connected at the same time =p |
| 21:04.46 | Gnarfoz | depending on the amount of current going through there, it might be good enough, or it might not be, I can't say (and I don't really know how to verify, either) |
| 21:04.47 | fewyn | if i was using 24v i'd only connnect 2 and 3 |
| 21:05.01 | fewyn | but afaik it uses 12v |
| 21:05.03 | fewyn | in this setup |
| 21:05.28 | Gnarfoz | well, that should be pretty clear from the power supply you have, shouldn't it |
| 21:05.37 | fewyn | which is still in the box |
| 21:05.39 | fewyn | let's find out |
| 21:05.40 | nevcairiel | are you sure taping stuff to the area labeled "hot zone" is a good idea |
| 21:05.46 | fewyn | yes 12v |
| 21:05.50 | fewyn | it's kapton tape nevcairiel |
| 21:06.07 | fewyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapton |
| 21:06.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that shouldn't be a problem unless it gets REALLY hot |
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| 21:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | any addon breakage with 6.2.3? |
| 21:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | i imagine currency tracking will be a bit weird with some |
| 21:07.31 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt know, kd3 stopped sending us mails about changes :-( |
| 21:07.35 | Gnarfoz | any? perhaps. nothing major, probably |
| 21:07.56 | Gnarfoz | return of the Valor, but apart from that... not much going on, I guess |
| 21:08.00 | fewyn | nothing broke on my end |
| 21:08.03 | fewyn | when i logged in |
| 21:08.10 | nevcairiel | yeah its unlikely to get breakage |
| 21:08.19 | nevcairiel | some item detail addons may choke on the return of upgrades |
| 21:08.48 | Gnarfoz | but only if they ripped that out after MoP |
| 21:08.54 | Gnarfoz | or they were broken in MoP already |
| 21:09.28 | nevcairiel | ilvl links changed in WoD, so who knows |
| 21:09.46 | nevcairiel | not item links, i mean |
| 21:09.48 | nevcairiel | i r confused |
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| 21:31.45 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 21:31.46 | Fisker | e |
| 21:31.51 | Fisker | y |
| 21:37.40 | Mr_Rabies | aw man, can't upgrade BRF items |
| 21:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | that sucks :< |
| 21:39.56 | Amarande | upgrades seem like they'll be more fun this time around, too |
| 21:40.14 | Amarande | I kinda hated upgrades in MoP ... mostly because they meant more mindless aeons-long grinding in LFD |
| 21:40.54 | Amarande | And MoP dungeons were particularly ill suited to that kind of grinding, too :( |
| 21:41.21 | Mr_Rabies | i disagree, MoP dungeons were built for quick easy farming |
| 21:41.27 | nevcairiel | upgrades in late MoP -> frog farming :p |
| 21:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | WoD dungeons on the other hand you have to run the mythic version for reliable valor, or do LFR |
| 21:41.59 | Mr_Rabies | both of which kinda suck |
| 21:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | i've almost entirely avoided LFR this expansion because i hate it and i love that it was optional, but having to do it for valor suuuucks :< |
| 21:43.44 | nevcairiel | just do it right after server up with all the mythic raiders |
| 21:45.00 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: MoP dungeons had too many slow cut scenes at boss fights |
| 21:45.54 | Amarande | and when it's an RP thing played out in-game you can't skip it either, not like say FF14 where there's cutscenes galore but they're easy to skip (unless you're on a PS3 in which case fuck you it seems :S) |
| 21:46.45 | Mr_Rabies | i don't remember any cutscenes in the MoP dungeons, other than the handful they added with 5.1 or whatever maybe? |
| 21:47.34 | Amarande | hm. I remember at least one boss in shado-pan having an irritatingly long shtick before you could get to the meat of the fight |
| 21:47.53 | Amarande | then there was that big siege one |
| 21:48.00 | Amarande | maybe we had different luck with LFD instance choice |
| 21:48.41 | Amarande | and I thought they got rid of valor, which is why I said upgrades sound like they'd be more fun this time around :) |
| 21:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | like most of my MoP dungeons took 10-15 minutes, but the mythic ones take most of an hour |
| 21:50.06 | nevcairiel | then your mythic group sucks |
| 21:50.21 | nevcairiel | mop dungeons also took ages with undergeared people in it |
| 21:50.41 | nevcairiel | but outgearing heroic dungeons was trivial at some point |
| 21:52.30 | Amarande | yeah, that too, most of my dungeon experiences tend to be from the pov of a DPS, and early in the expansion |
| 21:52.41 | Amarande | so we're talking annoyingly long queue + regularly undergeared groups |
| 21:54.06 | Amarande | also outgearing heroic dungeons in MoP was considerably more painful than in pretty much any expansion pack since BC (where you really couldn't outgear heroic dungeons by much anyhow) |
| 21:54.27 | Primer | say what |
| 21:55.08 | Amarande | Primer: not only did you have the valor grind, but you had to grind a faction to exalted to be eligible to get valor epics, remember? and every faction only offered items for one or two gear slots? :) |
| 21:55.35 | Primer | ahh yes |
| 21:55.56 | Amarande | and when you went to supplement this meagre diet with some LFR (once you were able to break through the ilvl barrier to do LFR at all, at that), the game just loved to go "no fuck you eat this lovely big sack of gold that doesn't even cover the repairs for your LFR wipes, sucker!" LOL |
| 21:56.50 | Amarande | MoP LFR: The Peanuts Halloween Special in WoW, and you're Charlie Brown. :) |
| 21:57.31 | Primer | Lucy pulls the football from you...? |
| 21:59.04 | Amarande | "I got five pieces of candy!" "I got a chocolate bar!" "I got a quarter!" And Charlie Brown ... "I got a rock." |
| 21:59.28 | Amarande | http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/%22I_got_a_rock%22 |
| 22:01.51 | Mr_Rabies | rather have a rock than a damned quarter |
| 22:02.05 | raylu | Charlie Brown's bad luck trick-or-treating earned him a lot of sympathy amongst young viewers, to the extent that some mailed candy for Charlie Brown to the TV channels that aired the special. |
| 22:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | at least you can throw the rock at someone for the candy |
| 22:02.42 | Mr_Rabies | (i realize at the time that a quarter was enough for a decent amount of candy) |
| 22:14.53 | Arrow|work | a penny used to get you a piece of candy |
| 22:15.06 | Arrow|work | back when i was young and we had a candy shop in town |
| 22:16.08 | Amarande | now you can barely get a piece of candy for a dollar anymore |
| 22:53.56 | Primer | heh, so the new honor pvp gear is 685 in the world, 730 in pvp, yet the old season stuff is still available and is 700/730, and costs the same in honor |
| 22:54.19 | Primer | the former is blue and the latter is purple |
| 22:55.49 | relaxok | i know im the billionth person to say so but i sure miss the days when it felt good to get a purp |
| 22:56.14 | Primer | yeah, no you get purps the day you reach max level |
| 22:56.21 | Primer | heck, you could wear 3 at 91! |
| 22:56.35 | Primer | That were totally maxed out OP |
| 22:56.59 | Primer | One shotting bitches in boosted gear |
| 22:57.44 | relaxok | maybe they need more item classes |
| 22:58.01 | relaxok | one between epic and legendary |
| 23:00.34 | Primer | quasi-legendary? |
| 23:00.40 | Primer | Super epic? |
| 23:03.04 | Primer | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/161447-Gamers-Report-Game-Breaking-Fallout-4-Bug |
| 23:03.21 | Primer | Someone asked if Fallout 4 was buggy recent |
| 23:03.27 | Primer | Not sure if here or in #wowace |
| 23:04.57 | Fisker | It's a Bethesda game |
| 23:05.09 | Fisker | Might be me who talked about it |
| 23:05.30 | Stanzilla | @ww: Looking forward to seeing some of you in game! @PlayOverwatch Stress weekend. https://t.co/9u5MpHlBza |
| 23:06.04 | Fisker | Finally |
| 23:07.08 | Fisker | lol |
| 23:09.02 | Fisker | I wonder when we can see if we got access |
| 23:09.27 | Amarande | Is a Bethesda game buggy? Is a Touhou game hard? Is water wet? :) |
| 23:09.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar2 (~semlar@142-196-149-253.res.bhn.net) |
| 23:09.46 | Amarande | It seems surprising sometimes that Bethesda doesn't end up like Troika, who went out of business because people got tired of bugs and sales tanked |
| 23:12.06 | Amarande | relaxok, I have to wonder if the way things were in BC had something to do with the dawn of the age of easy purplage |
| 23:12.39 | Amarande | a lot of people, especially later on in the expansion, basically had go-nowhere characters because of epics being painfully hard to get plus the fact that everyone expected you to *have* them |
| 23:13.30 | Amarande | You pretty much needed gear from heroics so you could run Kara so you could run Gruul and Maggie so you could run SSC and TK so you could get the gear you were expected to have to do heroics. :P |
| 23:24.25 | relaxok | Amarande: yeah, i was one of those people who tooled around for a good year or so in kara/trying-gruul guilds |
| 23:24.52 | relaxok | Amarande: eventually started looking on other realms and xferred to a serious guild and had great experiences from then on |
| 23:25.34 | relaxok | Amarande: i guess the goalposts just changed and 'all-BiS' became the new equivalent of the old 'all-purps' |
| 23:25.53 | Amarande | well yeah, if you try to make gear more accessible the elitists do move the goalposts |
| 23:26.10 | Amarande | the WoW playerbase specifically seems to have issues with this sort of elitism, I'm not sure what it is about WoW that produces it |
| 23:30.43 | *** join/#wowuidev breser (breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 23:30.48 | relaxok | Amarande: i think the flip-side of elitism or elite-content in the game is that you always have things (and gear) to look forward and up to. Even the people that beg for easy access to everything don't realize that when they get it, they still won't be satisfied because they didn't work for it. Happens IRL too |
