| 00:00.07 | Semlar2 | i have a reputation to uphold |
| 00:00.46 | Unkle | That's pretty spiffy Semlar. |
| 00:01.10 | Semlar2 | ^_^ |
| 00:04.55 | MiRai | Semlar2: Do you plan on releasing some sort of replacement mini-map add-on with that? |
| 00:05.17 | Semlar2 | maybe |
| 00:05.37 | MiRai | very cool ;) |
| 00:05.58 | Semlar2 | i have a way to merge it with the minimap but it's really hacky and might not work very well on slower computers |
| 00:06.43 | Semlar2 | might make more sense to just make it behave like the world map |
| 00:23.52 | fewyn | can you skip all of the bosses in ICC and go straight to LK or do you still need to do everything? |
| 00:31.09 | Amarande | fewyn, you want to do everything anyway even if you could skip to LK |
| 00:31.25 | Amarande | LK doesn't really drop much in the way of great loot except for the mount (and I think that's only on 25?) |
| 00:33.56 | fewyn | i only want mount =p |
| 00:34.01 | fewyn | it drops on 10 too |
| 00:34.06 | fewyn | just really low |
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| 01:15.09 | Unkle | "Â In general, totem mechanics are concentrated around temporary effects (either beneficial or hostile) in a localized area, as opposed to âmaintenance buffâ cooldowns you need to make sure are up at all times." http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19955664 - halle-fuckin'-lujah. |
| 01:21.17 | fewyn | oh god i got a [Precious' Ribbon] on my hunter now |
| 01:25.55 | relaxok | god they're changing sooo much stuff |
| 01:26.15 | relaxok | which classes are even going to have mana now? |
| 01:26.27 | raylu | healing specs |
| 01:29.47 | Neffi | what, no mana? |
| 01:29.57 | Neffi | Semlar: I'm scared, hold me |
| 01:30.20 | Semlar | puts neffi on hold |
| 01:30.47 | Amarande | relaxok: ahh, the decline of mana |
| 01:31.02 | Amarande | I still remember when 4.0 hit and the Hunter 6-piece classic dungeon set bonus actually, literally, became unusable :) |
| 01:31.16 | Amarande | as in, you literally couldn't even CONTRIVE a situation where it any longer was able to be triggered |
| 01:31.44 | Amarande | oh, sure, it would work, just as long as you were a class that could wear mail, had mana, and you used a basic ranged attack ... :D |
| 01:32.15 | Neffi | :( |
| 01:35.59 | raylu | from a design perspective it makes a lot of sense to remove mana from classes that shouldn't/don't worry about mana, no? |
| 01:36.26 | raylu | why have the resource if it never limits you except make you eat a conjured mana [insert food item] after respeccing? |
| 01:36.44 | Amarande | raylu: from a design perspective it makes sense to have a unified resource across classes, in other words *everyone* having mana |
| 01:36.51 | raylu | why? |
| 01:36.58 | Amarande | you have "points that keep you alive" and "points that power stuff" |
| 01:37.09 | raylu | but you never run out of the points that power stuff when it's mana |
| 01:37.13 | Amarande | look at JRPGs, everything goes by HP and MP |
| 01:37.21 | raylu | which is why some melee classes have energy/combo points/chi/rage |
| 01:37.31 | Amarande | raylu: and that produces other issues |
| 01:37.37 | raylu | yeah, but JRPGs are a bastion of terrible design and beautiful hair, not great resource design |
| 01:37.46 | Amarande | in particular, it partially justifies the whole GOGOGOGOGOGOGO mentality |
| 01:37.53 | raylu | the what? |
| 01:37.54 | Amarande | especially since the tank tends to lead (and is always a melee class) |
| 01:38.03 | Amarande | the tendency for people to rush pell mell through dungeons |
| 01:38.24 | Amarande | often not even allowing the healer the time to drink between fights |
| 01:38.31 | raylu | fixing that by making mana a depletable resource doesn't seem right at all since it limits the duration of boss fights |
| 01:38.57 | raylu | if you actually need heals in a dungeon and your healer has no mana, you wipe. problem solved (from a design perspective), no? |
| 01:39.04 | Amarande | back in the day people were often forced to use their oh shit low mana cooldowns just to keep up with the pace |
| 01:39.13 | Amarande | raylu: the point is that multi resource actually helps cause this issue |
| 01:39.27 | raylu | yes, but the issue is solved by wiping |
| 01:39.29 | Amarande | because it creates a bifurcation in optimal pacing between physical and magic classes |
| 01:39.56 | raylu | on the other hand, the larger issue of designing raid boss fight lengths is made much easier |
| 01:39.59 | Amarande | physical classes BENEFIT from a gogogogogo rush strategy, because they rely heavily on at least some resources that time out and fade away if out of combat for more than a short pause |
| 01:40.13 | Amarande | magic classes on the other hand want a slower pace so their mana recharges |
| 01:40.35 | raylu | well, they used to before dps casters had infinite mana |
| 01:40.45 | Amarande | well, gogogogogo dated back before that, heh |
| 01:40.52 | raylu | right... so we solved that problem already |
| 01:40.56 | raylu | so i don't know why you're complaining about it now |
| 01:41.25 | Amarande | raylu: as for boss fight lengths, you can always do something like the way BLM rotation works in FF14 |
| 01:41.50 | raylu | in a world where dps casters don't manage mana and the mana bar is a useless UI feature anyway, why continue to have it? |
| 01:42.00 | raylu | i didn't play enough FFXIV to know what that is, sorry |
| 01:42.15 | Amarande | basically it works like this |
| 01:42.16 | Amarande | when black mages use fire spells, they accumulate a buff that increases damage, but also completely arrests normal mana regeneration |
| 01:42.28 | Amarande | when they use ice spells, they accumulate a buff that increases mana regeneration, but gives no bonus to damage |
| 01:42.46 | Amarande | the buffs are mutually exclusive, so you have to rotate between fire and ice to optimise damage without going oom |
| 01:42.51 | raylu | yeah, that's an interesting class feature. arcane mages are sort of like that |
| 01:43.05 | raylu | except they have a burn phase and a conserve phase built around their mastery |
| 01:43.26 | raylu | it would feel kind of pointless to give that (either version) to all dps casters, though |
| 01:43.31 | Amarande | also it easily causes other issues |
| 01:43.45 | raylu | right, you have to design carefully. but what about the other n-1 dps casters currently with mana? |
| 01:43.47 | Amarande | the fact that the rotation is rather intolerant of being interrupted for any serious length of time is a serious problem for BLM in extreme tier |
| 01:47.57 | relaxok | i am getting confused by the descriptions |
| 01:48.07 | relaxok | when it says a shadow priest now has 'insanity', i took that to mean 'instead of mana' |
| 01:48.34 | kd3 | that's correct, unless they just changed it since blizzcon |
| 01:49.36 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/663108820806316032 |
| 01:49.48 | kd3 | "New Shadow Priest resource: insanity. No mana, shadow orbs. Gradually going more insane as a source of energy. Eventually, void form." |
| 01:50.31 | Amarande | raylu: the more realistic reason to shake heads at all these new resource types, though |
| 01:50.34 | relaxok | taken together, all these changes sound like a lot of 'fun' to balance =p |
| 01:50.53 | relaxok | they do literally have different numbers for everything in pvp and non-pvp right? |
| 01:50.54 | relaxok | now |
| 01:50.56 | Amarande | is that they usually just end up being just Mana or Energy with a different name, bar colour, and additional work for unit frame authors because it's considered a different resource |
| 01:51.00 | relaxok | at lesat potentially |
| 01:51.01 | relaxok | least* |
| 01:51.08 | raylu | english needs brackets. does "no mana, shadow orbs" mean no shadow orbs? |
| 01:51.17 | Amarande | like hunter focus ... energy by any other name, anybody? :) |
| 01:51.57 | relaxok | having a shared resource type with similar usage also means you can have buffs and debuffs of that resource type |
| 01:52.06 | relaxok | that benefit everyone with it |
| 01:52.26 | raylu | Amarande: they played with the idea of focus only regenerating while they stood still, which i thought could have been awesome |
| 01:52.30 | kd3 | yes raylu. you could read that comma as an 'or' |
| 01:52.40 | relaxok | granted, i'm not up on all the changes in WoD and such... but doesnt spirit still exist and affect mana regen? and then there's AI buffs? |
| 01:52.58 | raylu | kd3: does no bind tighter than or? :) |
| 01:53.01 | relaxok | im probably ill informed to even comment |
| 01:53.06 | Amarande | raylu: yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean needing an entirely different type of resource |
| 01:53.11 | Amarande | in the end, you pretty much only have three types of resource, really |
| 01:53.27 | relaxok | there was some scary blue post line where they said they use Wowpedia internally for a lot of stuff |
| 01:53.39 | Amarande | they all basically are rage, energy, or mana |
| 01:53.47 | kd3 | as a first check for character usage, and also as an API reference |
| 01:53.58 | Amarande | or in some cases, they're some form of combo points |
| 01:54.58 | relaxok | considering various abilities give you rage/energy/mana and others use it up, they're really all kind of one type |
| 01:55.13 | relaxok | i guess rage is the only one where you gain it getting hit though? |
| 01:55.26 | nebula | through abilities |
| 01:55.54 | nebula | a spell increases it while being hit |
| 01:56.11 | nebula | or did |
| 01:56.42 | relaxok | they used to have people designing the game that worried about making many changes since it would affect people coming back to play after being gone |
| 01:56.45 | relaxok | they seem tohave jettisoned that approach |
| 01:56.48 | relaxok | the last few expansions |
| 01:58.26 | raylu | as someone who stopped playint and missed 2 expansions, i like the new approach of changing things more rapidly |
| 02:08.42 | relaxok | i haven't played super seriously since Ulduar |
| 02:10.53 | raylu | i guess most people in here are more willing to do the research and get up to speed, though |
| 02:17.35 | relaxok | it's a little disheartening going from someone who was uber minmaxer and comparing dps vs the top parses, to someone who barely has any idea what main spells to cast or abilities to use |
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| 03:47.27 | Iriel | I hope some of you got into the Overwatch beta in this last wave, I sadly did not. |
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| 04:11.06 | fewyn | i did not either |
| 04:11.11 | fewyn | i is sad |
| 04:11.18 | raylu | same :( |
| 04:11.35 | raylu | relaxok: and then you read a bunch and are back to min-maxing? |
| 04:11.54 | Fredro | is markup-type: creole valid in the .pkgmeta for manual-changelog? |
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| 04:40.04 | mckenziemc | Cairenn still isn't back :( |
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| 06:36.40 | Torhal | Fredro: It won't be when we migrate to the new system. I mean, it'll still be accepted but render as plaintext. |
| 06:38.26 | Fredro | Torhal, so that is why packager refuses to make zip? |
| 06:40.18 | Torhal | Fredro: No, we're not on the new system. Link to the project? |
| 06:40.41 | Fredro | Torhal http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/wowhead-linker |
| 06:41.02 | Fredro | says cant find zip with a 302 error |
| 06:41.49 | Torhal | From the packager output: Skipping zip for wow/wowhead-linker/mainline, it has a new alpha build but is set to package Release only. |
| 06:42.31 | Fredro | for me it says: Unsuccessful attempt at uploading /media/cf-repositories/packager/zip/wow/WoWHeadLinker-v1.4.0.zip. 302 Found |
| 06:42.42 | Fredro | and some html output |
| 06:43.05 | Torhal | Yeah, but that's after it says it isn't going to create a zip. |
| 06:43.20 | Torhal | And your project is set to Release only. |
| 06:43.34 | Fredro | correct |
| 06:43.50 | Fredro | but when I push with a tag it worked before |
| 06:43.59 | Fredro | as you can see |
| 06:44.05 | Torhal | Are you explicitly pushing the tag? Doing a push only pushes the commits. |
| 06:44.26 | Fredro | yes, I do the tag push afterwards |
| 06:45.09 | Torhal | Oh, awesome. |
| 06:45.33 | Torhal | I think I know what the issue is, but it can't be fixed until tomorrow. |
| 06:46.27 | Fredro | great, and I thought I screwed up the pkgmeta |
| 06:47.24 | Torhal | The team redirected www.curseforge.com to a new page today, and I believe that also redirected curseforge.com, which is what the packager is trying to upload to. |
| 06:47.43 | Torhal | So yeah, awesome side-effect there that has to be fixed when they get in tomorrow. |
| 06:48.16 | Fredro | great, will manual upload work? |
| 06:48.46 | Torhal | I certainly hope so. |
| 06:48.54 | Fredro | I'll give it a try |
| 06:57.51 | mckenziemc | updates Torhal. |
| 06:58.01 | Fredro | Torhal, yes, worked fine. |
| 06:58.04 | Torhal | redirects mckenziemc to Semlar. |
| 06:58.15 | Torhal | Fredro: Good. That would be really bad otherwise. |
| 06:58.19 | Semlar | semlar isn't here right now |
| 06:58.35 | Torhal | I know, Semlar - I redirected you to Neffi, whom I redirected to Amarande. |
| 06:58.41 | Semlar | you wouldn't |
| 06:58.47 | Torhal | Totes. |
| 07:02.40 | mckenziemc | severs Torhal from the server. |
| 07:05.08 | Torhal | serves mckenziemc with a summons. |
| 07:06.06 | mckenziemc | sorry Torhal, you've been disconnected. |
| 07:06.29 | Torhal | You've been disbarred. |
| 07:06.43 | Fredro | Torhal, you manage approvals too? ;) |
| 07:10.03 | Torhal | Fredro: You should be good now. |
| 07:10.07 | Semlar | he also wrangles cats |
| 07:10.13 | Torhal | Many. |
| 07:10.13 | Fredro | Torhal, cheers |
| 07:10.23 | Semlar | a man of many talents |
| 07:10.50 | Fredro | the world needs more talented people |
| 07:11.10 | Semlar | specs into torhal |
| 07:11.36 | mckenziemc | resets Semlar's talent points. |
| 07:12.08 | mckenziemc | all 51 of them |
| 07:16.41 | Semlar | rude |
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| 07:19.15 | Torhal | respecs mckenziemc to Vanilla Ret Paladin. |
| 07:23.17 | karl_w_w | train simulator fans gone wild http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-11/train-derailed-damage-hurstbridge-railway-station/6929500 |
| 07:28.48 | mckenziemc | "The train was an X-Trapolis model, which operates on a universal key system - meaning any train of that model can be started with the same key." derp |
| 07:31.53 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better helicopters don't even have keys |
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| 08:18.01 | VIad | Semlar: if it makes you feel any betterer I don't even have a password protected database for my webserver |
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| 08:49.17 | mikma | http://newhive.com/allmymovies |
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| 09:27.50 | karl_w_w | it's OK guys, it's FALLOUT, you can preorder fallout, it's not like it's going to suck |
| 09:28.04 | karl_w_w | ^ nearly everyone, a couple of weeks ago |
| 09:36.57 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/FAj3nM5.png |
| 09:36.59 | karl_w_w | amazing |
| 09:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 09:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | why would you ever play a bethesda game at launch |
| 09:41.31 | Mr_Rabies | they're still buggy pieces of junk a year after launch |
| 09:41.48 | karl_w_w | I've never played a bethesda game so I wouldn't know :P |
| 09:41.54 | karl_w_w | I also wouldn't preorder |
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| 10:23.31 | karl_w_w | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Who%27s+the+cat+that+won%27t+cop+out+when+there%27s+danger+all+about%3F |
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| 11:32.53 | VIad | tim cook said that the age of the pc is over - I guess we just have to get our daemons to run on a ton of ipads |
| 11:33.33 | Neffi | but an ipad is a PC |
| 11:33.42 | Neffi | just a very bad one that can't do many things you want |
| 11:36.23 | VIad | anything is a pc strictly speaking |
| 11:36.43 | Neffi | Not really, no |
| 11:36.49 | Neffi | a server isn't a PC |
| 11:36.52 | VIad | anything that computes |
| 11:36.53 | VIad | :p |
| 11:37.06 | Neffi | anything that computes is a computer, but not a personal one |
| 11:37.39 | Neffi | the intention of use delineates what is a PC, and tablets fall under that intention of use, as general purpose computing devices |
| 11:37.49 | VIad | the "personal computer" is just a term describing a general purpose computer - I used a server as a PC some time ago so... :p |
| 11:38.11 | VIad | your phone too arguably |
| 11:38.24 | Neffi | that's a terrible definition though. obviously there is something that sets a desktop machine running web browsers and music players and games apart from a server. |
| 11:38.27 | VIad | using my phone for everything when I am on the road, basically my 2nd computer :p |
| 11:39.00 | Neffi | we can characterize something in particular as being a "PC" as opposed to just any class of general computing device. It is a personal device intended to be used for personal things, not necessarily professional or technical. |
| 11:39.34 | Neffi | the argumnent is whether or not a phone is general purpose enough to be a PC, nowadays they are, but they are on the weaker side of the spectrum |
| 11:40.14 | VIad | the definition allows for a broad spectrum of things to be labeled "PC" but of course a desktop computer is more "PC" than a phone :p |
| 11:46.30 | Neffi | I don't think so, not principally. Phones and tablets have good performance characteristics and basically good I/O. They even have demand as general-purpose PCs. People *want* to use them to do day to day PC tasks |
| 11:47.11 | Neffi | The reason they are less powerful than desktops as a PC is basically the ecosystem. It's still immature. People still are figuring out the best ways to embrace the form factor, and the different set of I/O available. |
| 11:47.34 | Neffi | Fundamentally they are designed to serve all the tasks we equate to PCs, so they are no less PCs |
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| 12:30.06 | VIad | semantics ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 12:30.41 | VIad | in either case, if tim cook suggests that an ipad replaces a pc then you should have a chat with him, Neffi :p |
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| 12:31.19 | Neffi | it's in tim cook's best interest to tell people his company is innovating and everyone else is stick in the past |
| 12:31.49 | Neffi | Microsoft got it right -- there is no difference between PCs and tablets. They just failed to deliver in a way people like |
| 12:33.04 | VIad | microsoft can say that their surfaces are pcs |
| 12:33.23 | VIad | tim should be flayed publicly for saying that the ipad is something it isnt |
| 12:34.25 | Neffi | Microsoft hasn't meaningfully advanced the ecosystem though. They get the idea, they just haven't executed it well |
| 12:34.48 | Neffi | Well, in my opinion. Some people think they did ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 12:34.59 | VIad | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 12:35.08 | VIad | it's a handy emote to macro |
| 12:35.31 | Neffi | yes. |
| 12:37.26 | VIad | the neutrinos have mutated |
| 12:37.45 | VIad | ref. movie labeled "2012" |
| 12:38.13 | Neffi | decodes VIad's backdoor |
| 12:39.02 | Neffi | 5 minutes and 29 seconds until the hacker descrypts the intercepts |
| 12:39.21 | VIad | :D |
| 12:39.27 | VIad | descrypts |
| 12:39.45 | VIad | what about them crypts |
| 12:39.52 | Neffi | :| |
| 12:40.00 | Neffi | typing is not my forte right now |
| 12:41.07 | VIad | it's fine, it's only me after all |
| 12:41.26 | Neffi | yes, we are alone in this channel |
| 12:41.38 | Neffi | irc is where hackers come when they dont want to be overheard |
| 12:41.47 | Neffi | you speak leet, right? |
| 12:42.12 | VIad | ofc |
| 12:42.29 | VIad | my leet grammar is quite enriched with numbers |
| 12:42.39 | Neffi | cackles |
| 12:43.22 | Neffi | ok i'm going to play fallout.... 3 |
| 12:43.48 | Neffi | that's right, fallout 3. not 4. i know, it's pretty astonishing. |
| 12:44.23 | Kalroth | not even new vegas? |
| 12:44.40 | Neffi | meh |
| 12:44.58 | Neffi | NV had much better writing, but I didn't find the world all that compelling |
| 12:45.21 | Neffi | Fallout 3 is much better for just exploring in true ADHD-riddled Bethesda fashion |
| 12:54.32 | VIad | Neffi: I enjoy fallout4 - shame I havent gotten far due to my OCD :( |
| 12:54.35 | VIad | loot everything |
| 12:54.47 | VIad | hoard everything* |
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| 13:02.57 | nevcairiel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM |
| 13:44.27 | Rythal | You are a 1, or a 0, on IRC, or dead. There is no inbetween. #HTP |
| 13:50.43 | Gnarfoz | sets Rythal to 0 |
| 13:52.57 | karl_w_w | I joined #HTP, nobody in there. |
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| 15:38.30 | karl_w_w | it occurs to me that netflix original series are a big change in how TV is made |
| 15:38.55 | karl_w_w | because until now a TV show was always successful if it got people to watch every week |
| 15:39.04 | karl_w_w | but that doesn't exist with netflix |
| 15:39.39 | karl_w_w | a show can be crafted perfectly instead of needing filler episodes or squeezing in plot development in too few episodes |
| 15:39.51 | Alram | its great |
| 15:44.38 | nevcairiel | I dont see how that changes anything |
| 15:44.46 | nevcairiel | shows still have X episodes organized in seasons |
| 15:46.35 | nevcairiel | the need to have filler episodes or too much plot for too little episodes is just bad writing |
| 15:47.58 | nevcairiel | Why wouldn't I watch every week if a TV show has a continous engaging plot |
| 15:48.10 | nevcairiel | its the filler episodes that would maybe make me not like it so much =p |
| 15:48.18 | karl_w_w | a good story is the length it needs to be, not the length the TV network needs it to be |
| 15:48.34 | nevcairiel | yet all netflix series seem to be rather the same length |
| 15:48.37 | nevcairiel | its a miracle! |
| 15:48.38 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 15:49.17 | karl_w_w | really? then I guess s/are/could be/ |
| 15:49.57 | nevcairiel | i have a bunch of "ordinary" TV series with varying season length as well |
| 15:51.11 | nevcairiel | from 8 episodes to 26 or so |
| 15:51.40 | nevcairiel | correction; from 6 |
| 16:00.20 | nevcairiel | in gaming related news, apparently fallout4 is horrible? |
| 16:00.22 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: what about Sherlock, 3 episodes per season ? |
| 16:00.36 | nevcairiel | i didnt count that, the episodes are like feature films |
| 16:00.53 | karl_w_w | yes nevcairiel, and not just on PC! |
| 16:01.33 | karl_w_w | it looks average, physics is tied to framerate, it performs badly, on ps4 framerate dies when you look through a scope |
| 16:05.24 | Gnarfoz | also, british series have different base times |
| 16:05.37 | Arrow|work | less commercials |
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| 16:15.16 | sylvanaar | I've been watching Mr. Robot. I find that I really have to pay close attention or else I miss out on the plot. Its very dense. |
| 16:16.09 | sylvanaar | I wish they had a normal amount of episodes (like 22-23) instead of just 10 |
| 16:17.03 | sylvanaar | I don't like when shows have such short seasons |
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| 16:19.34 | nevcairiel | i thought mr.robot was fine in that regard |
| 16:19.45 | sylvanaar | 10 was enough? |
| 16:19.52 | sylvanaar | I haven't made it to the end yet |
| 16:20.20 | nevcairiel | its normal to get slightly confused because the protagonist is quite a confused guy himself |
| 16:20.36 | sylvanaar | thats true |
| 16:21.05 | nevcairiel | not saying that more wouldn't have been possible, but i didnt feel like it rushed anything or made it hard to watch |
| 16:22.35 | sylvanaar | I like it, I just have to pay close attention or I miss key plot elements |
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| 16:29.38 | Gnarfoz | unreliable narrator is the central idea of Mr Robot, hehe |
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| 16:59.57 | karl_w_w | I follow over 100 twitch channels and only 2 of them are live right now o.O |
| 17:01.03 | Neffi | there are 100 twitch channels worth watching? |
| 17:01.19 | karl_w_w | yes, though a lot of them are rarely actually streaming |
| 17:02.04 | karl_w_w | coincidence I guess cos most of them are blizzard-game-related or dota-related, so they're either getting ready for the big dota tournament this weekend or coming down from blizzcon |
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| 17:24.25 | karl_w_w | who the fuck plays multiple big taunts in a murloc deck |
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| 18:25.05 | zenzelezz | https://www.patreon.com/jephjacques?ty=h - looks like patreon can work well |
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| 18:51.50 | karl_w_w | https://www.patreon.com/nerdcubed I would say so |
| 18:52.52 | karl_w_w | I like how he marked $1m as best value |
| 18:57.52 | Unkle | "I will buy a Lamborghini each month." |
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| 19:00.19 | karl_w_w | apparently his patreon set some record for the fastest growing |
| 19:00.28 | karl_w_w | first to $5000 or something |
| 19:22.59 | Torhal | Fredro: Packager is behaving now. |
| 19:39.09 | Unkle | Did you take it out back for a little 'chat', Torhal? |
| 19:43.27 | Torhal | Unkle: Nah, I talked to the guys who could. |
| 19:44.21 | Unkle | Excellent. |
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| 20:13.39 | LexSfX | Torhal: what is the daily curseforge "store" point rate of the person who earns the most on the entire site? |
| 20:13.54 | LexSfX | i'm just wondering how much curseforge is giving out |
| 20:13.58 | LexSfX | it's a curiosity |
| 20:15.11 | Torhal | Kinda confidential, unfortunately. Some of the top earners can get hundreds of dollars a month, though. |
| 20:15.42 | LexSfX | okay, cool |
| 20:23.22 | nevcairiel | I was near the top at one time, I dont know how the current situation is |
| 20:23.51 | nevcairiel | still make quite a bundle each month |
| 20:29.36 | karl_w_w | I was once making up to 10 cents a month! :P |
| 20:32.15 | karl_w_w | it was probably a bit better than that at one point, but I don't remember |
| 20:35.56 | LexSfX | i was making 0.48 points per day when i opted in (and had made a bunch of new small addons), but now i'm making 0.16 points per day. at this rate, there will be zero return. oh wellz! |
| 20:37.22 | LexSfX | maybe if i decide to replace recount/skada/details/tinydps, all of which have major issues, i'll make some serious pointage |
| 20:38.11 | karl_w_w | best i did was like 5 points a day |
| 20:38.31 | LexSfX | that's way better than me! nice going; must have had a pretty sweet addon |
| 20:38.43 | karl_w_w | that was probably back when combustion helper stopped working |
| 20:38.57 | LexSfX | ah! what'd you write? |
| 20:39.04 | karl_w_w | and i was maintaining combustion which is a minimalistic alternative |
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| 20:39.09 | LexSfX | ah |
| 20:39.28 | karl_w_w | well I'm still "maintaining" it - it's marked as abandoned :P |
| 20:39.46 | karl_w_w | it probably still works but I don't play |
| 20:40.14 | LexSfX | i've noticed some addons that still work get marked as abandoned even though there's no other addon that fills its role and the author has no reason to change its code |
| 20:40.21 | LexSfX | i forget any examples |
| 20:40.34 | LexSfX | but i'm sure i'm using at least one or two addons like that |
| 20:40.47 | karl_w_w | they get marked as abandoned if they are out of date and not updated for a month |
| 20:40.59 | karl_w_w | out of date in terms of toc |
| 20:41.34 | karl_w_w | you can manually change the project to be not abandoned but its a fucking pain to do every couple of months |
| 20:41.53 | LexSfX | it is |
| 20:42.20 | LexSfX | most of my addons probably won't need any lua changes for quite a long time |
| 20:42.30 | LexSfX | and will still work well into future wow expansions |
| 20:42.48 | LexSfX | it would be lame to mark them as "abandoned" if i simply didn't update the toc number |
| 20:43.09 | LexSfX | and of course, i'd update their code if blizzard changes things |
| 20:43.11 | karl_w_w | I remember I was using CML until like cataclysm even though it was abandoned and almost unable to find on the internet since vanilla |
| 20:43.24 | karl_w_w | CML = clock, memory, latency |
| 20:43.27 | LexSfX | ah |
| 20:44.17 | LexSfX | i have an addon that simply clicks the "release spirit" button when the death popup appears in a non-arena battleground |
| 20:44.34 | karl_w_w | I actually think the point I started losing interest in wow was when damagemeters stopped working :P |
| 20:44.37 | LexSfX | i'm fairly certain how that works has never changed |
| 20:44.57 | LexSfX | it's a one-liner addon |
| 20:45.00 | karl_w_w | yeah I have a few simple addons like that which'll probably never stop working |
| 20:45.21 | karl_w_w | like one that automatically turns mailbox tracking on and off depending on if you have mail |
| 20:46.55 | LexSfX | that's a cool idea. haha |
| 20:47.07 | LexSfX | link it! |
| 20:47.18 | karl_w_w | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/mailtrack/ |
| 20:47.20 | LexSfX | i like little enhancements like that |
| 20:48.02 | karl_w_w | it's great because you can turn off the mail notification (if you have an addon to do that) |
| 20:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still using a wrath addon that somehow still works |
| 20:48.37 | karl_w_w | makes space round your minimap and it makes it so you only see your mail notification when you have mail and are near a mailbox |
| 20:48.55 | Mr_Rabies | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/candystripehealth/ |
| 20:49.54 | LexSfX | Mr_Rabies: yeah, they haven't changed the default unit frames' health bars, so that should still work |
| 20:50.02 | Mr_Rabies | it's great for visualizing execute windows, and it by accident works with the raid frames too |
| 20:50.17 | Mr_Rabies | so people's health bars get an animated barberpole effect when they're low hp, too |
| 20:55.05 | karl_w_w | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/combustionhelper vs http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/combustion |
| 20:55.16 | karl_w_w | I like my version much more :P |
| 20:55.53 | karl_w_w | helper just shows you so much you don't need, and took like half a second to update all the time |
| 20:56.27 | karl_w_w | I almost always preferred building a UI out of specific smaller addons instead of having big addons that did too much |
| 20:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | same |
| 20:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | less likely to have to bail entirely on my playstyle when an addon breaks that way |
| 21:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | it also doesn't hurt that i try to avoid deviating -too- much from the default |
| 21:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | like, i use the default unit frames because they offer all the info i want with no info i don't want |
| 21:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | the only thing they don't really offer is a visual for execute windows, and i addressed that with candy stripe health |
| 21:06.09 | kd3 | yay, I feel like an adult now. hung a door last night. https://twitter.com/Kaydeethree/status/664368821076119552 |
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| 21:06.49 | Semlar | is that the door to the kill room |
| 21:06.52 | karl_w_w | well hung? |
| 21:07.26 | kd3 | yes, it is well hung. that was the most-common joke we were making at 1 in the morning when we finally finished it |
| 21:07.48 | Semlar | were you hung over the next day |
| 21:08.03 | kd3 | dunno yet. next day is in 11 hours |
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| 21:16.16 | mckenziemc | >.> |
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| 21:19.04 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
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| 21:19.46 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 21:21.25 | mckenziemc | goes back to being exhausted from room-cleaning :( |
| 21:46.14 | Amarande | mckenziemc, did you have to throw out your author's complimentary copy of "40,000 All New Amarande Jokes"? :( |
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| 22:17.49 | mckenziemc | throws out Amarande. |
| 22:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 22:23.07 | Mr_Rabies | you know, something they should add for raids with flexible support |
| 22:23.43 | Mr_Rabies | is scaling up, after the tier is irrelevant, if necessary |
| 22:24.33 | Mr_Rabies | so you can scale, say, HFC heroic to 30 man even when soloing for more gear/gold/challenge |
| 22:25.03 | Amarande | yeah something like the skirmish level system from lotro would be nice |
| 22:25.27 | Amarande | although now that WoW has moved *away* from token based gearing that might be a lot harder to do |
| 22:25.39 | Amarande | it would have been easier to do something like that if they'd kept justice and valor |
| 22:26.05 | Amarande | (as the way LOTRO does it, essentially *all* you get from most dungeons is the equivalent of justice and valor, and nearly all "dungeon" and "raid" gear is then purchased with that) |
| 22:27.02 | Amarande | makes it a lot easier to scale with that method |
| 22:27.24 | zenzelezz | that costume... (1:00) https://youtu.be/a3R_ftI_izs?t=1m |
| 22:27.33 | Amarande | as in, the way they do it for most dungeons is you select the level of the dungeon & then all the enemies in the dungeon are scaled based on that level (think being able to select, say, RFC at any level from 15 to 100 when you start the instance) |
| 22:28.05 | Amarande | in WoW's case, you could then also say select a level 110 RFC or Dragon Soul or ICC or whatever |
| 22:29.13 | Amarande | but yeah, then they'd have to have a billion separate loot tables (with the points it'd just be some kind of formula based on boss difficulty, group size, dungeon level) |
| 22:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | i mean just basically control the scaling diablo style for more risk and reward |
| 22:37.55 | Mr_Rabies | can't scale below the lowest number, but if you want to take a 10 man up to 15 man scaling that wouldn't really be an issue, after the world first stuff is over, at least |
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| 23:26.14 | raylu | or we could just scale the players down... like timewalking but opt-in |
| 23:35.56 | Fisker | wakes up groggy and hugs Cairenn |
| 23:51.39 | Amarande | raylu: yeah, that's pretty much how FF14 does it |
| 23:51.44 | Amarande | SW:TOR now, too |
| 23:51.55 | Amarande | except that level sync is mandatory in both cases if you want to do the content |
| 23:52.42 | Amarande | (SW:TOR doesn't let you opt out of level sync at all, nor FF14 in instances; FATEs do let you opt out but if you don't sync down you and the event mobs are unable to attack one another) |
| 23:54.12 | raylu | guildwars2 and wildstar even de-level you for uninstanced world zones |
| 23:54.43 | plaw | https://twitter.com/Grimecraft/status/663791445438959616 |
