| 00:06.28 | zenzelezz | https://blog.twitter.com/2015/twitter-data-coffee |
| 00:11.26 | Fisker | I miss Cairenn |
| 00:26.27 | Fisker | wow Cairenn called me a troll |
| 00:26.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 00:27.01 | mckenziemc | discomforts Fisker. |
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| 00:54.04 | Amarande | hey, being a troll isn't bad ... you can be anything you want to (well, unless you wanted to be one of those silly paladin people :) |
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| 01:11.53 | Iriel | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19911277/legion-class-preview-series-hunter-11-8-2015 |
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| 02:51.03 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz5i171h_no classic |
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| 03:47.06 | Iriel | I almost forgot to kick off my Fallout 4 pre-load |
| 03:47.16 | Iriel | That could have been very frustrating |
| 03:51.26 | Amarande | I'm surprised Steam isn't being super sluggish tonight, come to think of it |
| 03:51.39 | Amarande | also when did KOTOR II get steam achievements |
| 03:51.46 | Amarande | time to do that light side playthru I think :) |
| 04:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | that's because no one believes todd harris's lies anymore :v |
| 04:38.56 | kd3 | whee, home |
| 04:40.58 | Simca | <Amarande> also when did KOTOR II get steam achievements |
| 04:41.00 | Simca | never? |
| 04:42.35 | Simca | http://steamcommunity.com/games/208580/announcements/detail/145589580847766181 well i'll be |
| 04:42.43 | Simca | http://www.pcgamer.com/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-2-gets-another-official-update/?ns_campaign=article-feed&ns_mchannel=ref&ns_source=steam&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0 |
| 04:45.44 | Fisker | I was doing it over rdp over hspa on my phone Iriel |
| 04:45.44 | Fisker | Never forget |
| 04:45.44 | Fisker | Nice |
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| 06:53.03 | airtonix_ | hey fisker |
| 06:53.09 | airtonix_ | why |
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| 07:47.24 | Phixion | hey Fisker |
| 07:47.46 | VIad | ~tacklehug Phixion |
| 07:47.49 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tacklehugs Phixion |
| 07:48.08 | Phixion | o/ vlakarados |
| 07:48.10 | Phixion | damn |
| 07:48.16 | Phixion | o/ VIad |
| 07:48.29 | VIad | oh another vlad in here :o |
| 07:48.43 | Phixion | turned out the L is an i |
| 07:48.49 | Phixion | tricked me! |
| 07:49.17 | VIad | it is! |
| 07:49.25 | VIad | because vlad is taken, still |
| 07:52.29 | Phixion | :( |
| 07:57.28 | VIad | problem is that vlad is always on so he is more nerd than me :( |
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| 08:05.03 | Fisker | Hey Phixion |
| 08:06.06 | Phixion | VIad: he also got his name registered :| |
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| 08:32.02 | VIad | Phixion: Fisker is here... ask your question? |
| 08:32.33 | Phixion | don't have any |
| 08:32.37 | VIad | =:o |
| 08:32.40 | Phixion | I just heyed him |
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| 08:38.33 | VIad | you should use that new move I taught you earlier |
| 08:38.41 | VIad | on Fisker |
| 08:43.11 | Phixion | ~tacklehug Fisker |
| 08:43.12 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tacklehugs Fisker |
| 08:43.22 | Phixion | \o/ |
| 09:31.02 | VIad | I forgot fallout4 came today. Said I could work additionally tonight. ugh :( |
| 09:31.32 | Gnarfoz | you have no one to blame but yourself :p |
| 09:32.07 | VIad | I forgot :'( |
| 09:33.17 | Phixion | :( |
| 09:33.36 | Phixion | not so hyped for that game |
| 09:34.15 | VIad | more of a black ops 3 person? |
| 09:37.40 | Phixion | nah, even less hype |
| 09:51.49 | VIad | Phixion: more of a legion guy then? |
| 09:54.01 | Phixion | can't tell yet |
| 10:01.20 | VIad | you are a probably a 30 fps gamer |
| 10:01.26 | VIad | ps4 I guess? |
| 10:05.58 | VIad | maybe xbone |
| 10:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have any hype for either, really |
| 10:08.03 | Mr_Rabies | they're both "wait for decent mods to come out" for me |
| 10:15.47 | Phixion | nope VIad |
| 10:20.16 | Neffi | RPGs play fine on consoles and lower framerates though |
| 10:20.22 | Neffi | the action is not fast paced |
| 10:22.25 | Phixion | I don't play much games anymore tbh VIad - might play some sc2 xpack |
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| 11:05.06 | VIad | a little games can be healthy so as long its no more games, then its fine, Phixion |
| 11:07.04 | Gnarfoz | random ramblings feat. VIad |
| 11:07.27 | Phixion | (: |
| 11:40.31 | VIad | Gnarfoz: games are good for your brain |
| 11:40.40 | Gnarfoz | more random ramblings! |
| 11:43.21 | VIad | you are a walking ramble, Gnarfoz |
| 11:43.37 | Gnarfoz | I am a bramble |
| 11:49.09 | VIad | I am the guy in the whiterun square |
| 11:49.13 | VIad | spreaching |
| 11:55.16 | Neffi | heimskr |
| 11:57.46 | VIad | thats his name |
| 12:01.38 | Gnarfoz | I have no knowledge of what you speak. :D |
| 12:04.26 | VIad | you wish to hear the salmon of the great Thalos? |
| 12:05.40 | Gnarfoz | I feel no inclination toward fish |
| 12:09.46 | VIad | heimskr is finish for stupid |
| 12:09.49 | VIad | amusing |
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| 12:29.57 | Phixion | :o |
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| 16:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Monday to all who survived Blizcon. :) |
| 16:17.18 | nevcairiel | and those who didnt? |
| 16:17.29 | Lopeppeppy | I think it would be a less happy Monday for them. |
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| 17:14.52 | Amarande | *sigh* blizzard, why oh why did you ever do this in the past |
| 17:15.07 | Amarande | wowhead is now regularly, albeit slowly, getting the same question repeated over and over |
| 17:15.16 | Amarande | "if I preorder legion I can has beta" in some way shape or form, that is :P |
| 17:17.00 | Rythal | Not just legion, overwatch is getting the same question over and over. Doesn't help they just did it again with lotv |
| 17:28.31 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 17:30.42 | Rythal | pre-order = beta access. |
| 17:32.36 | harl | so? what's the question then, lol |
| 17:33.40 | Stanzilla | "why not " in this case |
| 17:34.35 | harl | so, no question |
| 17:35.03 | harl | "are bananas curved?" |
| 17:35.11 | harl | "is vinegar sour?" |
| 17:35.21 | Rythal | who had a question, people ask questions? |
| 17:35.32 | harl | que.. wha? |
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| 18:13.50 | Amarande | well, I've been of the opinion for a long time that easy access to wow betas is a bad thing, so I rather wish they'd get more restrictive :) |
| 18:19.07 | Stanzilla | Alram: is the vhell thing on a VOD? |
| 18:19.17 | Alram | ya |
| 18:19.24 | Stanzilla | which one? |
| 18:19.29 | Alram | http://www.twitch.tv/warcraft/v/24306246?t=4h46m30s |
| 18:19.38 | Stanzilla | thx |
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| 18:22.12 | Rythal | I agree, but disagree to easy access... I have yet to be in a beta before 2-3 weeks before it releases, which puts me cramped for time.. easier access would fix that, but I dislike that pretty much everything is known by release, so what's the point of even playing... there's no mystery or fun of discovery. |
| 18:28.43 | Amarande | that's the point, we perhaps shouldn't have open betas at all for this sort of game |
| 18:28.54 | Amarande | actually, PvE games in general probably suffer more than prosper from having them |
| 18:29.29 | Amarande | (PvP games are different, because there you don't have a finite amount of content, the players *are* the content, and if anything an open beta helps the player community have critical mass at release) |
| 18:56.31 | nevcairiel | for wow you get beta early enough through the author thing which existed since forever now |
| 18:56.49 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I'm thinking more about the effects of too-open betas on the longevity of an expansion pack |
| 18:57.15 | Amarande | as in, doubtless one of the reasons we had such long doldrums at the end of xpacs, and nowadays more frequent xpacs altogether |
| 18:57.55 | Amarande | is because thanks to beta and ptr the pve content is old practically as soon as it starts, hardcore guilds have already mastered it and everyone else already has ready made strats to look up the moment the raid is released |
| 18:58.40 | Amarande | so people get all the useful gear, get bored, and blizzard can either have a phase of boredom every content patch or release them more often and then have one big one at the end (or make us pay twice as often for xpacs) |
| 18:59.21 | Rythal | I would actually really love to see a race to world first again where they didn't already know every boss and every strategy from testing |
| 18:59.56 | Amarande | Rythal: yeah, pretty much means we need to go back to no outside beta at all |
| 19:00.04 | nevcairiel | then all the more advanced mechanics would still be broken |
| 19:00.19 | Amarande | (otherwise, you just transition from the status quo back to "if you didn't get invited to the beta, you have no chance") |
| 19:00.33 | Gnarfoz | also, that's mostly not true anyway |
| 19:00.40 | Gnarfoz | there's more than enough stuff that doesn't get tested on beta |
| 19:00.54 | Gnarfoz | (also, Blizz absorbed some of the top US guilds, so... haha US) |
| 19:01.27 | Rythal | wait.. US had top guilds? :P |
| 19:01.56 | Amarande | Rythal: in the sense that the minor leagues have top teams, kinda :( |
| 19:02.06 | Amarande | as they said in Guild Wars ... Europe has the favour of the gods, though :) |
| 19:02.19 | Gnarfoz | if Micronesia was a playable region, they'd have top guilds, too |
| 19:02.39 | Amarande | heh, I never did get to see Underworld or whatever that other ... Fissure of Woe I think it was called? :P |
| 19:03.41 | Amarande | by and large, it seems the big thing is the US gaming community is too competitive, which probably doesn't make for as great of achievement in the cooperative realm |
| 19:05.22 | Amarande | instead, cooperative community gets you douchebag backstabber shit like the Valafar affair it seems :( |
| 19:05.42 | Amarande | EU seems to have a lot more camaraderie and cooperation, as I noticed playing FF14 on a EU server |
| 19:05.50 | Rythal | I would say it's more we are not competitive enough, we don't have the huge sponsered gaming houses, we don't have the community, it's still very much if you try and say I play games for a living people would laugh in your face and say what? |
| 19:06.14 | Amarande | Rythal: well, that's been a thing for a long time in america with any game that's not considered by the mainstream joe sixpack to be a "sport" |
| 19:06.38 | Amarande | it was the same with chess, too |
| 19:06.57 | Amarande | for the Soviets it was a national level pursuit, for America it was "a game" |
| 19:07.28 | Amarande | to the point that when we did have a world champion, our government hounded him for the last 15 years of his life over something that really oughtn't to have been considered a crime to begin with |
| 19:08.05 | Amarande | and that's for a game that's even a bona fide IOC approved sport, heh |
| 19:09.36 | Amarande | or maybe, as with the Ysera/Valafar affair compared to the peace that seems to be EU MMO realms (I can't remember any major scandals on EU apart from when Ensidia got in trouble, and that was in trouble with Blizz, not the player community AFAIK ...) we just have too many douchebags that like to ruin things |
| 19:11.14 | Rythal | yep :/ and our corps don't help much with it, closest has been nvidia hiring some gamers for publicity... while you look over there, it's pride.. samsung fields a team, gigabyte fields a team, asus fields a team... it brings prestige to the company itself to be a sponser. |
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| 19:12.34 | Rythal | Even watching the blizzcon games.. you look at the uniforms for the china team.. compared to what the north americans are wearing :| |
| 19:19.03 | Amarande | wonder what it is about our culture that makes people think it's cool to be a dbag. :( |
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| 19:22.40 | Amarande | not only that, but apparently people see achievement in not only being jerks, but in being as much of a jerk as jerk can be when they are being one |
| 19:23.23 | Amarande | like the Ysera incident I mentioned. not only did Valafar transfer over and short-circuit the whole effort, but he made a very specific point to do so in the wee hours on a Tuesday morning |
| 20:06.40 | nevcairiel | asia in esports is just not comparable |
| 20:21.59 | Simca | should I post the LotV ending cinematic on reddit and do it without a spoiler warning? yes/no |
| 20:23.46 | Simca | also, it is baffling that they somehow managed to wrongly deploy sc2 lotv this badly. the build number is wrong, the headers to the fields are wrong, the version number field is missing, presumably lopped off somewhere |
| 20:23.46 | Amarande | Depends Simca, are your will and life insurance up to date so your family will be okay? :) LOL |
| 20:24.27 | Simca | there's a random third hash for no reason at all because the files aren't even encrypted |
| 20:24.28 | Amarande | oh, and your hotel room, too |
| 20:24.49 | Amarande | because you want to be away from your family when the angry pitchfork mob comes after you, so they're safe |
| 20:24.50 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:27.15 | Simca | let's see how long it takes them to figure out what they did wrong and post an ambiguous twitter statement |
| 20:29.45 | Amarande | Simca: yeah blizzard seems to have lost the thread of passion for their products a while ago |
| 20:30.25 | Amarande | hopefully legion is going to be an upswing, but it could just be the last dying puff like when I try to light a candle with stupid book matches instead of the sturdy wooden kind that come in a box |
| 20:30.34 | Simca | i don't know about that |
| 20:31.18 | Simca | but whoever is managing the external-facing aspects of their cdns is completely incompetent |
| 20:31.31 | Simca | and it is baffling how they managed to get a job in the first place |
| 20:32.24 | Simca | it's kind of baffling when they have so much polish in other areas to see cdn mistakes day after day after day |
| 20:39.33 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, there are people I will never understand the jobworthiness of |
| 20:39.51 | Amarande | like the guys who design the wrappers on block cheddar cheese so the barcode goes around the corner |
| 20:40.36 | Amarande | or the guy who decided that the "easy clamshell package opener" tool ought to ship in a clamshell package |
| 20:40.43 | Simca | the only reason this mistake is even possible is because somebody had the genius idea of using a '|' delimited csv as the version control system for the battle.net app, instead of using json like every other place in the app |
| 20:40.58 | Amarande | or the guy who designed the latest version of outlook web app (actually given the mass layoffs at microsoft we can only hope he at least got fired) |
| 20:42.00 | Amarande | yeah that's pretty genius |
| 20:42.45 | Amarande | guess they figure everyone's addicted enough to the brand that QA is a cost centre rather than a value adder? :P |
| 20:43.16 | Amarande | if anything, arguably the sooner we get annoyed and tired at a product, the better, because then we'll be looking for a new product to buy heh |
| 20:44.23 | Amarande | also, apparently player happiness as such possibly no longer even registers in a lot of game design ... there was at least one design article that talked about getting "the pattern of behaviour you want" from your players ... not making them happy or having them have fun but "getting the pattern of behaviour you want" |
| 20:51.30 | Simca | they just fixed it, let's see... how long was that. |
| 20:51.53 | Amarande | Simca: cynically, sadly, arguably from a business standpoint it's even better if people get spoiled on the game beforehand, if it's expected that they'll buy it anyway (which they most likely will, since blizzard expansions tend to pretty much be mandatory buys if you expect to continue to enjoy multiplayer) |
| 20:52.26 | Simca | 33 minutes for a mistake even somebody who knew nothing about computers could see. |
| 20:56.12 | Stanzilla | (even I saw it) |
| 20:56.36 | nevcairiel | And thats saying something |
| 20:57.24 | Stanzilla | just that I can read |
| 20:57.34 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:58.03 | Amarande | but on the other hand, hey, it's monday |
| 20:58.19 | Amarande | how many traditional office hours people are ever at their mental and emotional best on monday |
| 21:01.38 | foxlit | you know what this is going to end with, Simca? |
| 21:01.52 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 21:01.54 | Fisker | Where are you |
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| 21:02.18 | foxlit | Next to the christmas trees. |
| 21:02.28 | Fisker | Nice |
| 21:02.34 | Fisker | What Christmas trees? |
| 21:03.01 | Simca | foxlit: this employee is going to fuck up and release an internal client again, then get fired |
| 21:03.08 | Simca | that's probably what it's leading up to |
| 21:04.08 | foxlit | "enough encryption to keep you out" would be my suggestion |
| 21:04.29 | Amarande | Simca: don't worry about him though ... there's probably plenty of openings in designing wrappers for block cheddar cheese |
| 21:04.53 | Simca | foxlit: well, yeah |
| 21:04.55 | Amarande | or E-Z open packaging |
| 21:05.48 | Amarande | or maybe he can even consider a career in weather or Congress ... those careers seem to work ok for people who get stuff wrong often :) |
| 21:05.51 | Simca | this time though they screwed up in the topmost layer of their version control, you can't encrypt all the way down, it has to be able to figure out what version it is on |
| 21:07.19 | foxlit | The battle net client has to do that, yes. |
| 21:07.40 | foxlit | There is no reasob it has to do that via plain-text files, though |
| 21:08.13 | Simca | sure, but they're using | delimited csvs, you can't expect these people to make sense |
| 21:08.27 | Simca | | delimited csvs WITH OPTIONAL FIELDS |
| 21:08.31 | Simca | lol |
| 21:09.49 | Rythal | I like my | csv :( I refuse to use json |
| 21:23.41 | foxlit | these people make sense, though |
| 21:24.31 | foxlit | whatever-delimited data is trivial to parse, and this is so far up the stack that you implement it once and never look back |
| 21:25.18 | foxlit | if it causes enough pain, you improve tooling or replace it with something else entirely |
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| 21:26.40 | Simca | yeah that would make sense if they weren't already using json to handle almost everything else |
| 21:35.37 | foxlit | I wonder what the deal was with being unable to patch encrypted data. |
| 21:36.53 | foxlit | Seems like a solvable problem, really. |
| 21:38.55 | relaxok | my networking is still text packets with ||| delimiting |
| 21:38.57 | relaxok | =D |
| 21:39.23 | relaxok | pretty bad performance what with all the string stuff and bloat for numbers |
| 21:40.35 | relaxok | easier to debug though |
| 21:45.57 | Stanzilla | SC2 campaign pretty good so far |
| 21:47.50 | foxlit | it's out? |
| 21:48.00 | Stanzilla | you can switch to asia and play |
| 21:48.07 | Stanzilla | (in english) |
| 21:48.15 | foxlit | hah. |
| 21:52.45 | Simca | Stanzilla: but but but but but but my achievements! |
| 21:53.15 | Stanzilla | will replay it anyway |
| 21:53.17 | Stanzilla | but yeah |
| 21:54.04 | Simca | useful to switch your region to SEA and patch up anyway if you don't intend to play it until tonight |
| 21:54.17 | foxlit | Is it all as heavily scripted as the prologue? |
| 21:54.24 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 21:54.43 | foxlit | mixed feelings there. |
| 21:56.06 | Simca | was poking around in the cinematics, the campaign only units look sick |
| 21:56.23 | Simca | Auto-repairing carriers, high templars with red, forked-lightning storms that move in a line, dark templars that revive at the dark shrine on death, dark templars with a biological version of lockdown, sentries that can deploy into a power field, sentries that can repair shields, etc |
| 21:56.52 | Amarande | Simca: you still require more vespene gas |
| 21:56.59 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure you need to construct additional pylons |
| 22:01.11 | Amarande | also, auto-repairing carriers, seriously? |
| 22:01.22 | Amarande | I thought carriers were considered OP as it was |
| 22:03.01 | Simca | carriers in the previous two sc2 expansions have been horrible |
| 22:22.37 | Semlar | skype is suddenly sending me notification emails in chinese |
| 22:23.12 | Simca | sc2 out for euros now |
| 22:28.01 | zenzelezz | Simca: cheers |
| 22:32.21 | Amarande | heh every now and then I get notices at my gmail address in french alerting me as to a login ... to a google account email that isn't even mine, go figure |
| 22:32.27 | Amarande | I suspect they're scamspam |
| 22:32.29 | Stanzilla | ni hao Semlar |
| 22:33.11 | Rythal | I need to pretend i'm in EU :/ I don't wanna wait another 7 hours to play |
| 22:33.38 | nevcairiel | i didnt even finish the vanilla campaign, i should get on that some day |
| 22:34.25 | Rythal | I thought about replaying both vanilla and hots just to refresh my memory.. but.. naw |
| 22:36.42 | zenzelezz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4RAucoYZYI - for those of you who haven't already seen Carbot's LotV cinematic |
| 22:39.00 | nevcairiel | haha they did the fusion dance |
| 22:53.00 | Simca | I just got a nissan commercial on that link that had 'Ain't that a Kick in the Head' as the background music |
| 22:53.14 | Simca | I feel like somebody who likes Fallout NV made that. |
| 22:53.15 | Simca | lol |
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| 23:35.01 | Stanzilla | eu is working now |
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| 23:39.51 | Neffi | it was broken? |
| 23:47.05 | Amarande | Stanzilla, you rate the EU awfully optimistically |
| 23:47.12 | Amarande | I'm not sure the EU has ever quite worked properly ... *ducks* :) |
| 23:52.37 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:53.01 | nevcairiel | simca said it was fixed ages ago |
| 23:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | fixed like an election |
| 23:58.37 | kd3 | oh wow. bob ross is now weekly on twitch |
| 23:59.24 | karl_w_w | weekly what? |
| 23:59.41 | kd3 | they're doing a season a week: http://www.twitch.tv/bobross |