| 00:01.43 | Rythal | I stick to main stage during the con.. watching secondary stages after hours, then watch the pvp matches while working next week |
| 00:02.15 | Gnarfoz | watching recordings of sports event that were also broadcast live seems like a terrible plan |
| 00:02.26 | Gnarfoz | if you're expecting to be surprised |
| 00:02.44 | Amarande | blizzcon sounds tiny |
| 00:02.51 | Amarande | like, small enough that you can actually watch all the content? :) |
| 00:03.31 | Rythal | since I don't visit any news sites that might even discuss or talk about the esports events, it's not so terrible, i might be behind but i'm usually always surprised :P |
| 00:06.55 | Amarande | most of my convention experience is with Dragon Con ... which is ginormous and sprawling and even if you had recordings of every event you'd probably be lucky if you could manage to watch it all before the next year's Con :) |
| 00:07.04 | Amarande | so yeah, blizzcon sounds tiny |
| 00:07.59 | Rythal | 2 stages.. and pvp events, so yes compared to most con's blizzcon is very tiny |
| 00:08.25 | Rythal | but for being just a single gaming company it's fairly large in size |
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| 00:57.41 | Rythal | wow... a panel that ran out of people who had questions to ask? |
| 01:01.06 | Amarande | ouch, maybe wow really is on the decline |
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| 02:02.19 | Amarande | wow, what did apple do to piss blizzard off? |
| 02:02.34 | Amarande | ars technica is noting that overwatch will be on windows and on console, but notably not on mac |
| 02:02.35 | mckenziemc | contained too many worms |
| 02:03.05 | nebula | new engine, they don't have a mac version yet |
| 02:03.25 | mckenziemc | infests Amarande with tapeworms. |
| 02:06.08 | Rythal | Microsoft paid a lot of money.. hence why they are on the floor at blizzcon |
| 02:19.52 | Gnarfoz | nebula: what game? |
| 02:19.59 | nebula | Gnarfoz: overwatch |
| 02:20.04 | Gnarfoz | then you're wrong |
| 02:20.11 | Gnarfoz | there won't be a Mac version |
| 02:20.37 | nebula | shrugs |
| 02:36.40 | Amarande | hm, I'm guessing then overwatch is planning to be a poster game for DX12? |
| 02:40.39 | Amarande | heh *shakes head* "Currently with the technology behind Macs and the way Overwatch runs it's just too challenging for us at this point to support it," |
| 02:40.50 | Amarande | not that I'm a mac user, but it's kinda disappointing to hear that from blizzard |
| 02:41.43 | Amarande | technology behind macs ... oh, that same x86 PC tech that powers PCs? and given that blizzard games tend to be well known for well-behaved compatibility with things like wine (i.e., not too overleveraged directx), so one wonders what kind of new secret sauce overwatch has |
| 02:44.50 | Rythal | It probably has a lot to do with console versions, they had to use more directx then before. |
| 02:45.08 | Amarande | ps4 has no directx, on the other hand |
| 02:45.55 | Stanzilla | that makes 0 sense but ok :D |
| 02:46.01 | Rythal | ps4 has directx 11.1 |
| 02:46.05 | Stanzilla | no |
| 02:46.11 | Rythal | it's not as good as it's opengl, but yes |
| 02:46.18 | Amarande | Rythal: the GPU in the PS4 has DirectX 11.1 |
| 02:46.23 | Stanzilla | it has to do with os x having age old opengl |
| 02:46.40 | Amarande | I'm rather doubtful that Microsoft would be happy with Sony using DirectX in the PS4 OS :) |
| 02:46.45 | Stanzilla | they'd have to do it metal only and then it's only for a majority of the majority and therefore not feasable |
| 02:47.45 | Stanzilla | s/major/minor/ |
| 02:47.45 | Gnarfoz | minority x2 |
| 02:47.46 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: |
| 02:47.47 | Stanzilla | there more sense |
| 02:47.48 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 02:48.07 | Stanzilla | whatever |
| 02:48.08 | Stanzilla | you get it :D |
| 02:48.40 | Amarande | hopefully this isn't an ominous indication that places like GoG and Steam are heading down a blind alley by pushing for Linux support, though :( |
| 02:49.19 | Amarande | as in, OpenGL is too ancient, Vulkan isn't getting enough focus (probably because AMD is so badly weakened financially these days), DirectX reigns supreme and non-Windows platforms are likely to be in deep doo? |
| 02:49.56 | mckenziemc | deprecates Amarande. |
| 02:51.10 | Stanzilla | u wish |
| 02:52.01 | Amarande | hrm. wine even caught up to dx11 yet? |
| 02:55.49 | Fisker | Hey Stanzilla |
| 02:56.27 | mckenziemc | hey Fisker |
| 02:56.31 | mckenziemc | how was BlizzCon? |
| 02:56.33 | mckenziemc | oh wait |
| 02:56.59 | Rythal | newp.. wine doesn't have dx11 yet. Crossover should have it possibly Q1 next year if stuff stays on schedule |
| 03:06.27 | Rythal | no etc this year.. that makes me sad |
| 03:19.45 | winny | h/buffer etc |
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| 03:23.21 | Stanzilla | hi Fisker |
| 03:38.10 | Amarande | ... or based on ars technica comments it could be apple just shot themselves in the foot with gaming |
| 03:39.05 | Amarande | like, people, there's a reason why here on the PC side of things uptake of 4K monitors is so slow even with GOOD video cards, what ever were you thinking with that retina stuff with weakling iGPUs Apple :) |
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| 10:22.51 | Shirik | Please unblock me. My sister / brother / mother / father / friend / roommate / cousin/ used my computer and pretended to be me. I won't let this happen again. Akhilg4u (talk) 1:31 am, Today (UTCâ8) |
| 10:22.55 | Shirik | ...... |
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| 10:47.39 | zenzelezz | "FACT: Gravity is not science. It's Jesus hugging you to keep your from being eaten by space goblins. Embrace the Lord at 9.8 m/s²" |
| 10:47.44 | zenzelezz | think The Oatmeal nailed it |
| 11:33.02 | karl_w_w | zenzelezz I bet you're one of those closed-minded people who believes in science |
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| 12:49.37 | VIad | oh a month ago my vac ban had its 2000 days anniversary :D |
| 12:49.53 | VIad | 2032 days since vac ban ^^ |
| 12:55.44 | nevcairiel | thou shall not cheat |
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| 13:04.46 | VIad | yeah. it was stupid. hacked my mw2 client to access the console and have fun in singleplayer. forgot it was enabled and launched the multiplayer by mistake. then got banned :( |
| 13:05.07 | VIad | that is cod modern warfare2 |
| 13:06.03 | VIad | weird how a vac ban lasts a lifetime, even the old vac bans had a 10 year bans, that was the "lifetime" |
| 13:06.28 | VIad | I'll someday be 50 and have this red text saying "banned 12563 days ago" |
| 13:07.34 | VIad | even a dui lasts ten years and thats life threatening |
| 13:08.18 | Mr_Rabies | man one of my favorite game streamers still seems to have lost control of his youtube account |
| 13:08.56 | Mr_Rabies | there's a guy out there targeting streamers, and the streamer i'm talking about is Vinesauce's Joel/exinthevatican/vargskelethor |
| 13:11.12 | Mr_Rabies | the guy hijacking accounts got into markiplier's tumblr apparently a few weeks back, Joel and KY from vinesauce's twitch/youtube accounts this past week, yourmoviesucks and lylemcdouchebag's twitterses over the weekend |
| 13:12.01 | Mr_Rabies | possibly related to the xsplit account compromise a few years ago, seems they neglected to change some passwords, or this guy is targeting them |
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| 13:42.26 | Constie | If you cheat in the game, you cheat in real life. |
| 13:43.03 | Mr_Rabies | worst part is the guy's trying to get the accounts he compromised banned for copyright strikes, etc |
| 13:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | and joel's already had some run-ins with strikes from music in video games i think so he's on thin ice |
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| 15:58.40 | zenzelezz | VIad: "grandpa, tell us a scary story; the one about how you got VAC banned" |
| 16:10.49 | zenzelezz | I wonder what millenium we'll have to reach before webshops that let you select non-US countries learn that some countries don't use states |
| 16:11.37 | zenzelezz | thank god most of them accept a single space now. Amazon UK once sent my stuff to the US because they didn't allow blank states, and the UK postal service must have read "NA" as "North America", because by the time they arrived, they had visited the US |
| 16:16.48 | nevcairiel | Some just show you local States now, at least for Germany, but we don't really care at all if its listed |
| 16:58.23 | karl_w_w | anyone got a spare $55000? |
| 16:59.43 | karl_w_w | http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/6/9680990/sennheiser-orpheus-handmade-headphones-electrostatic-hands-on |
| 17:06.09 | Rythal | someone smack the gear store and tell them to get new stock already :/ |
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| 18:28.19 | karl_w_w | razer surround is actually pretty good |
| 18:32.48 | karl_w_w | it's so fiddly though, you have to change your media player settings each time if you want only 5.1 source material to play in 5.1 |
| 18:38.49 | karl_w_w | on the plus side in the fiddling I found that ffdshow doesn't output 24 bit unless you check the box |
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| 18:39.39 | karl_w_w | well I checked the box and it's still not doing it |
| 18:40.16 | karl_w_w | I have to uncheck the 16 bit box even if the source is 24 bit |
| 19:02.09 | karl_w_w | winamp is actually the best, it detects the output channel configuration on the fly |
| 19:04.04 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I thought most sites fixed that by now |
| 19:04.26 | Shirik | I've noticed on a lot of pages that if the state field doesn't disappear, it at least is only required if you selected US |
| 19:18.01 | zenzelezz | Shirik: "most" is a bit of an assumption, but significantly more than there used to be are now aware of it |
| 19:18.26 | zenzelezz | what intrigues me most is when they require it but don't validate it |
| 19:18.29 | Shirik | I would like to compare the miss rate on that vs. the number of sites that refuse to believe that I'm allowed to have a space in my last name |
| 19:18.56 | Shirik | my favorite is when, instead of telling me the field can't have a space, they tell me my NAME can't have a space |
| 19:19.03 | zenzelezz | those are the worst |
| 19:19.16 | jane | the state of california told me i can't have a space in my name :( |
| 19:19.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:19.39 | jane | also, the number of sites that don't realize that people change names at all.... awesome. |
| 19:19.40 | zenzelezz | but I'm still baffled why EA's security questions don't (or didn't at the time, haven't tried since) allow "non-US" characters |
| 19:20.02 | zenzelezz | like "What is the name of your first school?" *input* "Invalid character 'Ã¥'" |
| 19:21.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:27.00 | karl_w_w | so did anything interesting happen at blizzcon after the opening ceremony? |
| 19:36.31 | Gnarfoz | Tons |
| 19:37.51 | Shirik | btw zenzelezz I'm blaming you for getting Belle's "Little Town" stuck in my head |
| 20:04.20 | karl_w_w | VIad, https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3s1e4n/very_important_message_to_icefrog_volvo/ |
| 20:04.28 | VIad | :o |
| 20:04.48 | karl_w_w | turns out funn1k is a shitposting overlord :D |
| 20:06.22 | VIad | troll |
| 20:08.01 | Iriel | The Wow Mahjong set from Blizzcon is awesome BTW - it has serious heft. |
| 20:08.28 | VIad | I got the pack from brawl when we both lost... what? |
| 20:08.37 | VIad | I even died first :p |
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| 22:55.08 | nebula | Simca: what are they? |
| 22:55.48 | Simca | well, like everything overwatch, they have no file name and no file extension |
| 22:55.49 | Gnarfoz | not natively supported |
| 22:55.53 | Simca | so i will call them simcas |
| 22:56.05 | nebula | simcats |
| 23:06.54 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, there seems to be a fair amount of kvetching over overwatch |
| 23:07.48 | Amarande | besides the whole no mac thing (which appears to have been apple shooting themselves in the foot gamingwise with their direction with the mac lately) there seems to be some sentiment on ars that overwatch is, yeah, one of those dreaded "made for consoles, ported to PCs" things :( |
| 23:08.08 | nebula | well they're dumb |
| 23:08.25 | Amarande | and by apple shooting themselves in the foot gamingwise |
| 23:08.46 | Amarande | I mean combining super high resolution screens (because OMG RETINA) with horribly wimpy GPUs :P |
| 23:09.11 | Simca | OW definitely made for PCs, the engine is very impressive |
| 23:09.26 | Simca | outperforms what the consoles would need for sure |
| 23:09.52 | Amarande | basically it looks like blizz would have been happy to provide a mac port, but OW is an FPS and macs just don't have what it takes to run modern FPS well |
| 23:10.12 | Simca | I think it's that the time is not worth the return, probably |
| 23:10.58 | Simca | it is a brand new modern engine, so it would take some considerable resources to port |
| 23:11.09 | Simca | and they look at mac market share and fps interest |
| 23:11.14 | Simca | and don't see the value |
| 23:11.25 | Amarande | and fps actually need higher framerates and snappier response to be good these days |
| 23:11.38 | Amarande | not like, say, wow, where you can only do one thing a second at most anyway pretty much thanks to GCD :) |
| 23:12.12 | Amarande | not that good framerates are a bad thing, they help you do other things like not stand in fire :) |
| 23:20.50 | Gnarfoz | particularly considering Metal capable Macs make up a fraction of the already small Mac market :P |
| 23:21.12 | nevcairiel | its just sanity to not bother =p |
| 23:22.06 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder if mine is actually using supersampling right now; the render scale option is not particularly clear |
| 23:22.16 | Gnarfoz | and the .ini only has a number |
| 23:26.07 | Gnarfoz | GPUScaler = 7 |
| 23:26.11 | Gnarfoz | yay? :P no idea! |
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| 23:27.45 | Gnarfoz | wtf https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12186532_1102020383149147_7829867085813231520_o.jpg |
| 23:28.02 | nevcairiel | are you sure that value is actually related to any settings |
| 23:28.21 | nevcairiel | its in the GPU block, which seems to otherwise just contain hardware info |
| 23:30.38 | Gnarfoz | it changed from 4 when I changed graphic presets |
| 23:30.56 | Gnarfoz | at least I think it did? I might have been sleepy :D |
| 23:31.30 | nevcairiel | who isnt |
| 23:31.35 | nevcairiel | speaking of |
| 23:31.36 | nevcairiel | i should |
| 23:31.51 | nevcairiel | I was kinda curious for the hunter changes, but they still havent shown up |
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