| 00:09.21 | znf | Silly linux question |
| 00:09.26 | znf | I edited a file, saved the changes. |
| 00:09.33 | znf | Then I did stat file |
| 00:09.54 | znf | the "change:" line shows me that I modified the file |
| 00:10.05 | znf | but the "modified:" date is a few months ago (august) |
| 00:10.31 | znf | How the f* do you "change" the file? |
| 00:11.11 | Neffi | I beleive there's a separate timestamp for modifying the contents, and modifying the metadata |
| 00:11.24 | znf | yeah, I changed the file |
| 00:11.24 | Neffi | ie, modified time and changed time |
| 00:11.33 | znf | I read the StackExchange explanations |
| 00:11.38 | Neffi | I dunno |
| 00:11.47 | znf | I changed a whole line in it |
| 00:12.20 | End | huh, I honestly thought ctime only refered to when metadata changes occured |
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| 00:12.22 | Arrowmaster | might be a filesystem issue |
| 00:12.35 | Neffi | End: I believe that's the idea |
| 00:12.44 | Neffi | maybe stat is displaying them backwards ;) |
| 00:13.14 | Arrowmaster | or you are interpreting them backwards |
| 00:13.21 | znf | doing echo stuff >> file changed the modify time |
| 00:13.25 | znf | editing with vim didn't |
| 00:13.38 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/gPbsWJ9.png |
| 00:13.42 | znf | so it's at 1:08:22 now |
| 00:13.58 | znf | I changed the file: http://i.imgur.com/gteauuJ.png |
| 00:14.07 | znf | and now it works |
| 00:14.08 | znf | ... |
| 00:14.13 | znf | this is retarded |
| 00:14.23 | Arrowmaster | what works |
| 00:14.37 | znf | editing it with vim now worked |
| 00:14.41 | Arrowmaster | and why are you root |
| 00:14.43 | End | just out of curiosity, what filesystem is this on? |
| 00:14.52 | znf | End, ext4 |
| 00:15.20 | znf | Arrowmaster, because I got the power |
| 00:15.22 | End | so nothing exotic at least |
| 00:15.32 | znf | yeah, this is weird |
| 00:15.53 | znf | our web guy mentioned that the ?ver= data doesn't get updated, so I had to investigate |
| 00:15.58 | znf | I thought he was being a dumb fuck or something |
| 00:16.07 | znf | but I went in and changed lines myself |
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| 03:39.35 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck is kill -9 not ending these processes |
| 03:42.13 | Arrowmaster | seriously what the fuck |
| 03:42.38 | Arrowmaster | im going all akmed on these processes |
| 03:48.39 | tz | uhoh Arrowmaster is a ticking time clock |
| 03:57.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: if kill -9 isn't working then something is hosed with your computer |
| 03:57.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:57.58 | Shirik | it literally removes it from the process list so...... either it doesn't exist or something is totally fucked inside the kernel |
| 04:12.22 | ccox | is getting a bit jealous for wowhead party attendees - sounds like they have a lot of cool stuff |
| 04:12.55 | ccox | kill -11, when you want to be really sure |
| 04:13.36 | ccox | I have, in my distant past, trapped SIGKILL and forked the process :-) |
| 04:13.58 | ccox | (yes, the code was intended to be a bit evil) |
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| 04:39.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: -9 eventually worked but it there was a good delay between issuing it and it finally dying |
| 04:39.38 | Shirik | ccox: you shouldn't be able to trap sigkill |
| 04:39.41 | Shirik | was this on linux? |
| 04:39.51 | Shirik | SIGKILL isn't supposed to be sent to the process |
| 04:39.56 | Arrowmaster | what else would it be on? |
| 04:40.21 | Arrowmaster | let me rephrase that |
| 04:40.28 | Arrowmaster | what else would i be on? |
| 04:40.34 | Shirik | that was to ccox |
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| 05:09.16 | ccox | Shirik: this was on BSD, and yes you couild get a signal just before the process was killed - with plenty of time to fork |
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| 05:23.40 | ccox | ooh, and someone came up with some nice pin designs for wowhead |
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| 06:26.12 | Fisker | wakes up early during his vacation and hugs Cairenn |
| 06:50.36 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 06:50.48 | Fisker | is scared and hides |
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| 11:51.41 | Cairenn | See some of you in a few days. Hope everyone else has a good week. |
| 11:56.33 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 11:56.36 | Fisker | safe trip |
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| 12:42.58 | znf | How the f* does one use powerdns/ |
| 12:48.02 | Fisker | I'll power your dns |
| 12:48.13 | Kalroth | with brute power |
| 13:05.16 | Constie | Very carefully. |
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| 13:10.04 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:10.16 | Gnarfoz | with great power comes great DNSability? |
| 13:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Fisker. |
| 13:10.33 | Fisker | I'm at home |
| 13:14.26 | Phixion | rude |
| 13:20.13 | Fisker | Nope |
| 13:30.15 | Constie | Nude? |
| 13:32.33 | Torhal | Rope? |
| 13:34.07 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 13:34.11 | Fisker | I got cash money |
| 13:34.32 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 13:34.34 | Torhal | Cash money! |
| 13:35.38 | Fisker | I'm gonna buy a surface pro 4 in $5 bills |
| 13:57.54 | Fisker | get it Torhal ? |
| 14:01.47 | Torhal | No, Fisker. |
| 14:05.43 | Alram | we never get it Fisker |
| 14:05.44 | Alram | never |
| 14:07.10 | Fisker | :< |
| 14:09.25 | Fisker | I got doctor who though Alram |
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| 15:42.11 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/liNqO2s.jpg |
| 15:42.14 | karl_w_w | dirty hackers |
| 15:45.18 | Maldivia | lol |
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| 15:49.12 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 15:49.14 | Fisker | it's almost time |
| 15:49.37 | foxlit | ããããï¼ |
| 15:51.16 | Fisker | what's that? |
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| 15:59.06 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: you going to bc? |
| 16:00.47 | Torhal | jleclanche: He couldn't get the time off. |
| 16:01.02 | jleclanche | :( |
| 16:07.14 | fewyn | http://www.startrek.com/article/new-star-trek-series-premieres-january-2017 |
| 16:07.16 | fewyn | whoooooooa |
| 16:07.37 | fewyn | fudge you CBS |
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| 16:07.38 | fewyn | . The premiere episode and all subsequent first-run episodes will then be available exclusively in the United States on CBS All Access, the Networkâs digital subscription video on demand and live streaming service. |
| 16:09.15 | foxlit | fun: if you call C_Garrison.GetInProgressMissions() during PLAYER_LOGOUT, it returns no data. |
| 16:16.08 | foxlit | (and only when you're actually logging out, not reloading) |
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| 17:01.52 | xqo | hi |
| 17:02.07 | xqo | can you force a layer above other layers? |
| 17:02.44 | xqo | I have a frame with WorldMapFrame as parent, but when the worldmap is not fullscreen, my frame is covered by a new frame called WorldMapButton |
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| 17:17.47 | Semlar_ | xqo: you may want to change what your frame is parented to, depending on what it's supposed to be displaying over |
| 17:18.55 | Semlar | WorldMapButton isn't a new frame, it's what you click on to interact with the map itself |
| 17:19.31 | xqo | Semlar, this is my frame https://bpaste.net/show/99d365c5f312 |
| 17:19.34 | xqo | this is my framestack: http://i.imgur.com/06hXBNC.jpg |
| 17:19.59 | xqo | i want it to show over the map, but the <5> frame WorldMapButton is covering it |
| 17:21.52 | xqo | when running and the map turns a little transparent, i can see my frame |
| 17:24.43 | Semlar | you made this in XML so the only way to set its frame level based on another frame is to do it OnLoad or something, as far as i know |
| 17:25.26 | xqo | is there nothing that puts a frame on top of the framestack? |
| 17:25.37 | xqo | forces it to show above everything else? |
| 17:26.00 | Semlar | well yes but if everyone just decided to put their frame at the highest possible frame level you'd be in the same situation |
| 17:26.43 | xqo | sure. how do i do it though? |
| 17:26.52 | Semlar | you should probably just parent your frame to WorldMapFrame.UIElementsFrame |
| 17:27.25 | xqo | i tried that, it didnt work |
| 17:33.21 | Semlar | seems to work fine |
| 17:34.29 | Semlar | you probably can't set the parent to a table key in xml |
| 17:36.38 | Semlar | might have to do something like <OnLoad>self:SetParent(WorldMapFrame.UIElementsFrame)</OnLoad> |
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| 17:40.23 | xqo | ok, give me a minute and i'll try |
| 17:40.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/q8PqGzM.jpg |
| 17:42.13 | xqo | ta-da! |
| 17:42.14 | xqo | thanks a lot! |
| 17:42.39 | Semlar | it might be easier to make your frame in lua |
| 17:42.57 | Torhal | takes away Semlar's mushroom icons. |
| 17:42.57 | xqo | we dont use xml anymore? |
| 17:43.00 | xqo | my addon is from 40000 |
| 17:43.49 | Parnic | you can use xml, but everything's available from lua which is usually easier |
| 17:44.01 | Semlar | if it's already written in xml i wouldn't rewrite it |
| 17:44.11 | xqo | cool. thank you for the help |
| 17:44.12 | Semlar | unless it's just that little bit |
| 17:44.13 | Neffi | rewrites Semlar in yaml |
| 17:45.06 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 17:45.09 | xqo | yeah its only this |
| 17:45.44 | Semlar | those mushroom icons are all the places you can explore to reveal the map with the area names on them |
| 17:45.57 | Torhal | rewrites Neffi in Semlar. |
| 17:46.09 | Semlar | almost all of them are already labeled on the map itself though |
| 18:01.52 | Semlar | i'm hungry neffi |
| 18:02.29 | xqo | aw yiss |
| 18:02.29 | xqo | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=12328 |
| 18:02.53 | Neffi | Semlar: me too. make me food and then you can have the leftovers, ok? |
| 18:02.53 | xqo | it hasnt been changed since v40000! |
| 18:03.31 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like a very good deal neffi |
| 18:03.50 | Torhal | Neffi is clueless, Semlar. |
| 18:03.54 | Torhal | You should know that by now. |
| 18:05.22 | Neffi | :/ |
| 18:06.40 | Semlar | it's okay neffi, i'll find you a clue |
| 18:06.48 | Neffi | thanks Semlar |
| 18:06.54 | Neffi | I knew I could count on you |
| 18:07.03 | Neffi | have my food ready in 20 min |
| 18:07.10 | Semlar | :| |
| 18:07.19 | Neffi | :| |
| 18:14.10 | karl_w_w | i really enjoy the happy quirks of the new acrobat reader |
| 18:14.29 | karl_w_w | like its inability to remember that i dont want to see the fucking tools sidebar |
| 18:14.35 | karl_w_w | delightful |
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| 18:17.35 | Neffi | Can anyone using ColumnsUI (from foobar2000) send me the plugin? Their page is down and has been for some times |
| 18:19.39 | Semlar | doesn't look down to me |
| 18:20.11 | Neffi | wow |
| 18:20.14 | Neffi | it just came back up |
| 18:20.23 | Semlar | you're welcome |
| 18:20.26 | Neffi | it was down a month or two ago when I went to get it. i thought it was offline for good |
| 18:20.27 | Neffi | thanks Semlar |
| 18:20.33 | Torhal | sends Neffi a cease and desist. |
| 18:20.42 | Neffi | claims fair use |
| 18:20.53 | Simca | tries to calm Torhal down |
| 18:21.03 | Torhal | trademarks Simca. |
| 18:21.25 | Fisker | Hey Torhal |
| 18:21.32 | Fisker | Will I miss you at blizzcon? |
| 18:21.34 | Torhal | Hey Fisker |
| 18:21.35 | Torhal | Dank memes? |
| 18:21.39 | Fisker | No |
| 18:21.42 | Torhal | Unknown, Fisker. |
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| 18:21.49 | Fisker | That's no good |
| 18:23.31 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: Dansk memes |
| 18:24.02 | Torhal | :O |
| 18:24.38 | haste | DKDKDKDKDKD memes |
| 18:25.02 | Fisker | Hey haste |
| 18:25.04 | haste | Fisker: where's my nexus 6 preorder |
| 18:25.07 | Fisker | Welcome to the club |
| 18:25.21 | haste | do you have nexus 5x ice in DKDKDK? |
| 18:25.40 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 18:25.55 | Gnarfoz | must be pistacchio ice |
| 18:26.12 | Fisker | Nope haste they hate us |
| 18:26.38 | haste | at least we get nexus 6p frost |
| 18:27.04 | Fisker | Ew |
| 18:27.23 | haste | wrong word Fisker |
| 18:27.41 | Fisker | Graphite master race |
| 18:27.52 | Fisker | Darth Vader > stormtroopers |
| 18:28.06 | haste | but it's so gray |
| 18:28.23 | Semlar | this isn't #wowace |
| 18:29.04 | haste | that's correct Semlar |
| 18:33.00 | zenzelezz | 10th of November: Legacy of the Void, Fallout 4. 19th of November: Assassin's Creed: Syndicate. Guess I won't be coding much until after christmas |
| 18:35.15 | Fisker | Yep haste |
| 18:35.25 | Fisker | And I'm glad you're not confused Semlar |
| 18:35.46 | Semlar | put your phones back in your pants |
| 18:40.45 | Stanzilla | 10th of november is also Windows 10 TH2 release |
| 18:44.16 | xqo | th2? |
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| 18:47.19 | Fisker | Threshold xqo |
| 18:50.17 | Unkle | Pretty excited. I have that "almost Christmas" feeling about BlizzCon. |
| 18:51.07 | Stanzilla | threshold 2 |
| 18:51.09 | Stanzilla | the second releave |
| 18:51.10 | Stanzilla | *s |
| 18:51.33 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 18:51.48 | Fisker | I'm picking up Lopeppeppy in transit |
| 18:51.56 | Fisker | I'll bungee jump |
| 18:55.57 | Unkle | Good call. I'm sure the pilot will circle for at least 2 attempts. |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker | It's what we could afford |
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| 19:05.35 | karl_w_w | http://hothardware.com/news/amd-introduces-radeon-software-crimson-edition |
| 19:05.42 | karl_w_w | CCC = gone |
| 19:06.01 | nevcairiel | the new name is stupid though |
| 19:06.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:06.16 | karl_w_w | everything is stupid |
| 19:07.11 | karl_w_w | I just hope it works |
| 19:07.22 | karl_w_w | I bet I'll install it and have to redo my gamma again |
| 19:08.38 | karl_w_w | they should've just called it Crimson |
| 19:12.41 | Simca | the UI for their current one is awful |
| 19:12.46 | Simca | so i am pleased |
| 19:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | I would be so pleased to not be where I am right now. Sadly, I will be in DC by the time your plane flies over, I think. |
| 19:15.36 | Constie | https://twitter.com/BobRossGameDev |
| 19:18.02 | karl_w_w | KappaRoss? |
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| 19:29.00 | zenzelezz | yo apache... why are you trying to include ldap headers when I've told you to not build any LDAP crap |
| 19:29.23 | Primer | build? |
| 19:29.31 | Primer | you running Gentoo or something? |
| 19:29.34 | zenzelezz | Slackware |
| 19:29.44 | zenzelezz | I'm a masochist |
| 19:35.08 | zenzelezz | hm, I see... pollution from Slackware's APR. Bleh |
| 19:47.44 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X-5fKzmy38 |
| 19:52.50 | relaxok | i have a vivid memory of trying a slackware install from a CD some time in 1998 or so |
| 19:54.24 | Neffi | by 'vivid memory' do you mean ptsd? |
| 19:55.24 | zenzelezz | Slackware was my first foray into linux. Roughly 2000 I think |
| 20:01.51 | Constie | My first, too. |
| 20:02.46 | Torhal | I believe mine was Yggdrassil on a DEC Alpha in '92. |
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| 20:06.06 | zenzelezz | never even heard of that one |
| 20:10.58 | Torhal | The distro or the machine or both? :D |
| 20:11.29 | Neffi | silly Torhal, you can't install the world tree on a computer |
| 20:11.36 | Neffi | it would just crush the computer |
| 20:11.40 | Neffi | its way too heavy |
| 20:11.46 | zenzelezz | Torhal: the distro |
| 20:11.53 | Torhal | Naw, Neffi - this was a 166MHz 64-bit CPU. |
| 20:12.01 | Neffi | :O |
| 20:12.51 | Neffi | DEC was a little before my time |
| 20:13.10 | Neffi | apparently I was 2 years old when it came out |
| 20:14.18 | Torhal | !!! |
| 20:14.26 | Neffi | :/ |
| 20:30.04 | Primer | I had an old sparcstation 2 with Linux on it back in the day |
| 20:30.08 | Primer | The pizza box one |
| 20:48.54 | Shirik | i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus) |
| 20:48.55 | Shirik | :< |
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| 20:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik never speaks English when I'm around to read him. |
| 20:55.32 | Semlar | that is because shirik is a robot |
| 20:57.02 | Shirik | oh Lopeppeppy I had something to tell you yesterday |
| 20:57.04 | Shirik | but I forgot |
| 20:57.15 | Shirik | oh it was a football thing |
| 20:59.03 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: did you see this? http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14022706 |
| 21:00.44 | Lopeppeppy | Had not seen it, Shirik. I have enough work to keep up with NFL, I don't watch much college football. Lateral is hard as hell to pull off, that was sweetly done. |
| 21:04.40 | Shirik | I am fortunate enough to have a sports jock brother |
| 21:04.47 | Shirik | so I get all the highlights from him without any of the work |
| 21:07.17 | relaxok | Neffi: sort of ptsd yes. I blocked out a lot of details.. I think by default it named your host 'darkstar' though |
| 21:07.42 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:07.47 | relaxok | This was on a 486dx4-100 |
| 21:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, peoples. TTFN, I'll see y'all on Monday. Enjoy Blizzcon! |
| 21:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | Give Cairenn a hug for me, all of you who see her. |
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| 22:04.20 | Guill | Whooo! BlizzCon is coming!!! |
| 22:05.46 | Alram | and so are a bunch of sleepness nights |
| 22:08.00 | Semlar | neffi help i started designing something and now it involves 600 scrollframes |
| 22:08.20 | Guill | You are a bad person |
| 22:08.22 | Neffi | is your framerate still an integer > 1? |
| 22:08.23 | Guill | And should feel bad |
| 22:08.35 | Semlar | i don't know, i haven't tested it yet |
| 22:09.01 | Semlar | i'm really looking forward to it though |
| 22:09.12 | Guill | What on earth are you doing that would need 600 scroll frames? |
| 22:09.52 | Semlar | i need to clip 600 copies of the same thing |
| 22:10.15 | Semlar | but slightly different |
| 22:10.45 | Semlar | and glue them together into one beautiful whole |
| 22:12.16 | Guill | And they aren't textures? :P |
| 22:15.17 | Semlar | don't try to talk me out of it, i've made my decision |
| 22:15.58 | Semlar | wait, maybe you know why sometimes font strings can display slightly outside of a scrollframe they're supposed to be inside of |
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| 22:17.14 | Simca | I'm sure Blizzard regularly does QA on 600 scroll frame scenarios |
| 22:17.18 | Guill | Because scroll frames have always been sort of hacky. But they're better in 7.0! |
| 22:17.23 | Semlar | ! |
| 22:17.47 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/8GegIUZ.jpg in this screenshot the read part is the scrollframe and the bright green text is supposed to be inside of it |
| 22:17.53 | Semlar | read/red |
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| 22:18.13 | Semlar | but it's displaying 1px above it |
| 22:18.24 | Semlar | so you get this lovely effect while it's moving http://i.imgur.com/8rY1nUL.gif |
| 22:18.54 | Guill | If you have that as a demo AddOn, I can see whether it's fixed in 7.0 |
| 22:19.15 | Semlar | it only happens on the vertical axis too |
| 22:19.53 | Guill | Both our font system and rendering system (including scroll frames) have had major changes in 7.0, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's fixed now. |
| 22:20.01 | Semlar | i'd probably have to rewrite it, but it was basically just a scrollframe containing a front string moving around the screen |
| 22:20.02 | Guill | Or, at the very least, broken in a totally different way :P |
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| 22:20.22 | Simca | >our font system |
| 22:20.23 | Simca | :o |
| 22:20.41 | Simca | I know people have complained about that since, well, release |
| 22:20.59 | Semlar | are you adding the ability to make fonts larger than like 32px or whatever the limit is now |
| 22:21.13 | nevcairiel | Simca you should know better than to actually expect improvement jsut because it "had major changes" :P |
| 22:21.14 | Semlar | i want giant text! |
| 22:22.09 | Guill | Semlar: Yup! Don't remember what the biggest size is now, but it's definitely bigger |
| 22:22.22 | Semlar | yay! |
| 22:23.12 | Semlar | this was for a project i was trying to make that had text fill up like a status bar but it wasn't working out because it was all twitchy when i moved it around |
| 22:24.02 | Guill | Semlar: You could actually probably do it fairly easily with the OffScreenRenderFrame |
| 22:24.12 | Semlar | what now |
| 22:24.16 | Guill | Semlar: It basically lets you render an entire frame to a texture |
| 22:24.28 | Semlar | is this something in-game? |
| 22:24.29 | Guill | Then you can do whatever texture stuff you want on that |
| 22:24.34 | Guill | Yup |
| 22:24.37 | Semlar | what! |
| 22:24.42 | Guill | Used for tweeting achievement screenshots |
| 22:24.50 | Semlar | elaborate! |
| 22:25.09 | Simca | no results found on google, I blame semlar |
| 22:25.15 | schlumpf | classic semlar |
| 22:25.18 | Semlar | o.o |
| 22:25.24 | nevcairiel | peeks into the frame types metatable |
| 22:25.28 | Guill | Sorry, "OffScreenFrame" |
| 22:25.44 | Guill | Take a look at Blizzard_SocialUI.lua/xml for an example of how to use it |
| 22:26.07 | Semlar | hang on so it basically screenshots a frame? |
| 22:26.35 | Guill | Yup, pretty much |
| 22:26.38 | Semlar | i bet this is related to that bug that person was asking about that i linked the other day |
| 22:26.52 | schlumpf | well, that does sound stupidly simple and as what one would like quite often |
| 22:26.54 | Guill | Don't think I was in here at the time |
| 22:26.56 | nevcairiel | ooh that might explain how this was even possible to happen |
| 22:27.05 | Semlar | they were complaining that their menus were displaying an entire screenshot of their screen |
| 22:27.15 | Semlar | and i was trying to figure out how that was even possible |
| 22:27.17 | Guill | That sounds totally different |
| 22:27.23 | Guill | Not sure how that's possible even with this |
| 22:27.28 | Guill | Unless an AddOn is doing something really really strange |
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| 22:28.01 | Semlar | well i think it probably wasn't behaving correctly but if it was using one of these frames it would at least explain how it could be done |
| 22:28.19 | Guill | Yeah |
| 22:28.33 | schlumpf | for reference, it was http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/19648724933 |
| 22:28.45 | Semlar | yis |
| 22:28.57 | Guill | It hasn't been extensively tested outside of what we use it for, so I'm not sure how strange stuff (e.g. scroll frames inside offscreenframes) would work, but you can try it |
| 22:29.14 | Semlar | i immediately thought of twitter but i wasn't aware of anything you could do with the ui that let you do this |
| 22:29.23 | Guill | Haha, that looks ridiculous |
| 22:29.40 | schlumpf | I love how it properly captured the menu contents though |
| 22:29.47 | Semlar | lol |
| 22:29.55 | Semlar | yeah that's the best part |
| 22:30.07 | Simca | rofl |
| 22:30.07 | Torhal | That's a certain kind of special. |
| 22:30.31 | Semlar | now to break something with this newfound frame type |
| 22:30.49 | Semlar | well actually it's time for dinner but.. soon |
| 22:30.51 | nevcairiel | it seems to be a global object, not a frame type |
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| 22:31.01 | Semlar | you're a global object |
| 22:31.05 | nevcairiel | i know! |
| 22:31.10 | Torhal | I globally object. |
| 22:31.39 | Guill | nevcairiel: It's a frame declared in Blizzard_SocialUI.xml |
| 22:32.16 | Semlar | yeah it's totally a frame type |
| 22:32.38 | nevcairiel | right, it just declares itself with the same name |
| 22:32.48 | Semlar | descriptive |
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| 22:33.46 | Guill | The extra functions it has over a normal frame are: TakeSnapshot, ApplySnapshot, Flush, SetMaxSnapshots, GetMaxSnapshots, IsSnapshotValid, UsesNPOT |
| 22:34.09 | Guill | That last one wasn't me :P It's "Uses non-power of two" |
| 22:34.15 | Semlar | they take frames as arguments? |
| 22:34.33 | Guill | No, it snapshots everything that's a child of itself |
| 22:34.55 | Guill | So you parent stuff to the OffScreenFrame, TakeSnapshot, then ApplySnapshot to a texture |
| 22:35.13 | Guill | I think TakeSnapshot returns an ID and you have to pass that to ApplySnapshot |
| 22:35.15 | nevcairiel | NPOT is a well known term if you deal with textures an graphics contexts, so the name aint too bad =p |
| 22:35.24 | Semlar | interesting |
| 22:35.46 | Semlar | just curious how intensive would it be to take a lot of snapshots |
| 22:35.50 | schlumpf | was confused about the ApplySnapshot thing. It stores a result of a previous TakeSnapshot to any texture? |
| 22:36.03 | nevcairiel | thats apparently how it works |
| 22:36.14 | schlumpf | So, doesn't actually do anything with the frame itself at that point, or does it require to not have flushed in between? |
| 22:36.29 | Guill | Basically the OffScreenFrame will store N of the most recent snapshots (modified by SetMaxSnapshots). Then you can apply them to a frame |
| 22:37.15 | Amarande | BTW, I'm guessing that Legion is going to be fifty bucks again instead of forty, just like Warlords? |
| 22:37.16 | Guill | Yeah, if you Flush or take enough snapshots that an old snapshots gets expired, IsSnapshotValid will return false for that ID and you can't ApplySnapshot with it |
| 22:38.11 | Guill | Amarande: I can talk a little about the AddOn API, but nothing else. Sorry! |
| 22:38.30 | schlumpf | so semlar, is the offscreen demo done yet? |
| 22:38.43 | nevcairiel | i'm sure i had an addon question in mind, but i forgot |
| 22:39.43 | nevcairiel | other than "are all my addons going to break" :D |
| 22:39.55 | schlumpf | for which the answer is "this is an intended change" |
| 22:40.40 | Guill | I don't know that we've made any huge backwards-breaking changes. But no guarantees. |
| 22:41.10 | Unkle | I'm just wondering if we'll finally get an answer to "How many shots can Guill have before he suggests streaking or listening to 'the worst song ever'." |
| 22:41.14 | nevcairiel | tbh I kinda like breaking at expansions, it helps to get rid of old cruft-y addons that should've died ages ago |
| 22:41.15 | Torhal | So do fonts actually have a alpha value with 7.0? |
| 22:41.37 | Guill | Unkle: No shots needed for the worst song ever. That thing is amazing. |
| 22:42.01 | Unkle | Agreed. |
| 22:42.41 | Guill | I voted for just playing that thing on repeat for the BlizzCon concert, but for some reason people didn't go for it |
| 22:42.52 | nevcairiel | Does an improved font system include better support for unicode, like, proper rendering of russian names in non-RU clients? :) |
| 22:43.13 | Guill | nevcairiel: That's not a font system issue. That's a 'font doesn't have the glyphs' issue. |
| 22:43.27 | nevcairiel | well then ship a proper font! :D |
| 22:43.39 | Torhal | You don't like seeing "??????" |
| 22:43.42 | Torhal | >.> |
| 22:43.54 | nevcairiel | for some reason the default font doesnt include russian, yet the russian version of the font doesnt include some western-european special characters |
| 22:43.57 | schlumpf | Torhal: I prefer seeing the overly-spaced cyrillic instead |
| 22:43.58 | nevcairiel | so both cant be used generically |
| 22:44.02 | Guill | If we're adding glyphs to fonts, I think our first priority would be adding the poop emoji. |
| 22:44.15 | Torhal | Oh, dear. |
| 22:44.22 | schlumpf | I think we can all agree on that one though |
| 22:44.51 | Torhal | Anyway: There has always been RGBA with A being completely ignored. |
| 22:45.15 | nevcairiel | 3 components is enough for everyone Torhal |
| 22:45.26 | Torhal | Then why are their four? :D |
| 22:45.28 | schlumpf | be sure to also add U+1F51C |
| 22:45.31 | Torhal | there* |
| 22:45.37 | nevcairiel | Torhal: 32-bit alignment! |
| 22:45.40 | Torhal | ... |
| 22:45.48 | schlumpf | legacy support! |
| 22:45.59 | Gnarfoz | mad science? |
| 22:46.07 | Torhal | Weird Science? |
| 22:46.14 | nevcairiel | seriously thats a common reason, 24-bit values (ie. 3x8-bit for an RGB image) just doesnt handle very well |
| 22:46.33 | Gnarfoz | Guill: if that about fonts were true, why does it not work when overriding fonts, either? |
| 22:46.57 | nevcairiel | interestingly, my tooltip shows proper russian names, my unit frames just dont |
| 22:47.01 | nevcairiel | something is crazy there |
| 22:47.09 | Guill | Gnarfoz: It *should* |
| 22:47.18 | Gnarfoz | :/ |
| 22:47.59 | Gnarfoz | time for a couple of rounds of that OTHER fancy new game you guys (or well, some other guys you work with) make |
| 22:48.02 | Guill | So we have a system of "fallback" fonts in a lot of our base fonts. If it can't find characters in the normal font used, it'll change to one that does have the characters |
| 22:48.10 | Guill | That's why sometimes one line of chat will have a different font |
| 22:48.23 | nevcairiel | you should do that on a per-glyph basis like windows |
| 22:48.36 | Gnarfoz | so basically a less sophisticated version of what a real unicode font system would do |
| 22:48.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:49.24 | Guill | Yup. Unfortunately it's hard to sell spending multiple man-weeks upgrading to a new font system when we could use that time for actual features :P |
| 22:49.50 | Gnarfoz | recalling BC 2013, you have some features locked away behind "that works internally, hummm" :P |
| 22:50.04 | Guill | hmm? |
| 22:50.11 | Gnarfoz | png texture support being one |
| 22:50.15 | Guill | Ah, yup |
| 22:50.33 | Gnarfoz | the other one *was* about fonts/regional clients, but I can't recall the details |
| 22:50.53 | Guill | I don't think we have any internal-only font stuff |
| 22:51.05 | schlumpf | didn't it even have .psd support internally? |
| 22:51.32 | Guill | If it does, that part isn't used by the UI team |
| 22:51.48 | schlumpf | might also just be a laziness override to blp |
| 22:52.47 | schlumpf | last time I checked I saw tga jpeg png and psd |
| 22:53.00 | Guill | As more and more people move to 64-bit computers we may end up exposing png support. IIRC, the biggest reason we haven't done so yet is that the png library adds a decent amount of size to the executable. |
| 22:53.16 | Guill | And we're already hard-pressed on memory for 32-bit users |
| 22:54.09 | Gnarfoz | replace jpeg library with png library |
| 22:54.13 | Gnarfoz | remove jpeg screenshots |
| 22:54.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:55.51 | Torhal | Will SetPortraitToTexture still require BLP? |
| 22:56.25 | Gnarfoz | SetsPortraitToTorhal |
| 22:56.44 | Torhal | :O |
| 22:56.52 | nevcairiel | png... binary size..? |
| 22:57.00 | nevcairiel | that is like the smallest image encoder you could think of =p |
| 22:58.03 | Guill | Could be I'm remembering wrong about the reason. It's been ages |
| 22:58.10 | Gnarfoz | it literally has |
| 22:58.16 | Gnarfoz | old gaem is old :D |
| 22:58.26 | nevcairiel | libpng is like 50kb in binary, if even |
| 23:00.56 | tz | memory would be why BLP2/DXT is used, PNG takes up 4x the decoded memory for the same image dimensions in comparison |
| 23:01.29 | nevcairiel | jpeg or tga are no different there, however |
| 23:01.34 | tz | this is true |
| 23:02.02 | tz | but internally the majority is blp2, right? been a while since I looked |
| 23:02.24 | nevcairiel | all UI artwork at least seems to be blp |
| 23:02.50 | Gnarfoz | well, since the retail client doesn't do png...? :p |
| 23:05.38 | nevcairiel | doesnt the mac client still do png however? |
| 23:05.49 | nevcairiel | i suppose the excuse there is "all macs are 64-bit anyway"? |
| 23:05.57 | Gnarfoz | screenshots? don't they use quartz for that |
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| 23:06.34 | Semlar2 | herro |
| 23:06.50 | nevcairiel | so Semlar2 did you crash the game with your new toy frame yet |
| 23:07.02 | Semlar2 | i'm not home :( |
| 23:07.15 | Semlar2 | but i will definitely be playing around with it |
| 23:07.43 | Semlar2 | it solves problems that was stopping me from making a couple of my ideas |
| 23:07.59 | schlumpf | osx client does not have png in it |
| 23:08.18 | Semlar2 | is guill hiding any other new frame types |
| 23:08.51 | Gnarfoz | he's hiding IN new frame types |
| 23:09.05 | Gnarfoz | GPUVenderID |
| 23:09.11 | Gnarfoz | someone can't spell :| |
| 23:09.29 | tz | welcome to software development |
| 23:09.29 | nevcairiel | schlumpf: all info i can find says macs can still take screenshots in png |
| 23:09.39 | Guill | There are some new ones you'll see in 7.0, but I can't think of any other recently added ones in 6.X |
| 23:09.40 | nevcairiel | but for some reason they cant do tga |
| 23:09.43 | Gnarfoz | as I said, doesn't that use Quartz |
| 23:09.57 | schlumpf | I know, it still has only reading support for jpeg, tga and blp2 |
| 23:10.01 | Semlar2 | there isn't some new feature that lets us mask textures or anything |
| 23:10.01 | schlumpf | just checked to verify |
| 23:10.22 | schlumpf | (It also has support for "IsProbablyTGA" but I'm not sure that counts) |
| 23:10.27 | Guill | Semlar2: Hoping to get that in for 7.0. Haven't had time yet though. |
| 23:10.37 | Semlar2 | :O |
| 23:11.48 | Semlar2 | i don't know if it's possible with the streaming client, but is there any way to check if a texture exists when you set it |
| 23:12.12 | Semlar2 | so you know whether you're going to get a neon green texture instead |
| 23:12.17 | nevcairiel | didnt that change behavior in wod |
| 23:12.33 | schlumpf | (on a side note, I am a bit confused about the jpeg thing as it seems to detect that the file is a jpeg file but doesn't open it then) |
| 23:12.37 | tz | I used to randomly get black ones on reloadui instead of neon green, was fun |
| 23:12.37 | Guill | I don't think there's an easy way right now. We do non-blocking loads for almost all textures, so it would need to be some async thing |
| 23:12.39 | Semlar2 | i came up with a super hacky way to guess but i didn't like it |
| 23:12.55 | schlumpf | or wait, disregard that |
| 23:13.31 | nevcairiel | neon green is always a fun color for "empty", i know why its that color, but its still always funny to see |
| 23:13.38 | Semlar2 | right now if you call texture:SetSize(0,0) for example it uses the size of the texture itself, so if the texture doesn't exist it defaults to 8x8 |
| 23:13.53 | schlumpf | Semlar2: even if you could, the async handler can still fill in crappygreen if actual loading fails |
| 23:14.25 | Semlar2 | but i was hoping there was a way to actually figure out if the texture failed to load |
| 23:14.53 | schlumpf | m_flags & 0x20, but I doubt that's exported in lua. ;D |
| 23:15.51 | Guill | Semlar2: I think SetTexture returns false if it fails immediately (e.g. the file doesn't exist) |
| 23:15.58 | nevcairiel | Guill: while we're wishing for things, how about a dropdown template system that doesn't break the entire UI when used :D |
| 23:16.05 | Semlar2 | it used to return false but i don't think it does now |
| 23:16.08 | Guill | It may still return true if it's just unreadable/corrupted though |
| 23:16.12 | Guill | Hmm |
| 23:16.27 | Semlar2 | i think it stopped returning something useful when the streaming client was implemented |
| 23:17.05 | Guill | nevcairiel: On my wish-list. The dropdown system is just kind of a huge pain to use in general. |
| 23:17.24 | Guill | Semlar2: Looks like you're correct. It doesn't know whether it failed at all right away now |
| 23:18.48 | Semlar2 | my map addon used minimap textures but it used a formula to determine the path for them and they don't always exist |
| 23:18.56 | schlumpf | the return value is correct if the texture is already cached |
| 23:18.58 | schlumpf | maybe that helps |
| 23:19.04 | Semlar2 | so when they don't exist you end up with a neon green block instead |
| 23:21.14 | Semlar2 | http://i.imgur.com/cY3EcFC.jpg ^_^ |
| 23:21.35 | schlumpf | isn't there some GetVertexColor thing one could abuse? |
| 23:21.51 | Semlar2 | nah |
| 23:22.19 | Semlar2 | it acts like the texture is whatever you set it to |
| 23:31.54 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Guill: while we're wishing for things, how about a dropdown template system that doesn't break the entire UI when used :D << a few small changes would fix 90% of the problems. |
| 23:34.34 | Semlar2 | guill is literally santa claus |
| 23:35.19 | Unkle | No, he's too thin and doesn't have a beard. |
| 23:35.19 | foxlit | there are like two globals on the wrong side of the delegate that end up breaking menus nobody actually touched. |
| 23:36.33 | Stanzilla | should write that down somewhere, foxlit :p |
| 23:36.41 | Semlar2 | he just did |
| 23:37.49 | nevcairiel | thinking about Ui changes .. i havent received UI diff mails from kd3 in ages, and I doubt there is zero changes in 6.2.2 or 6.2.3 |
| 23:40.10 | Stanzilla | true |
| 23:40.16 | Stanzilla | and Semlar2 I meant details |
| 23:40.35 | Simca | pretty sure foxlit has a page somewhere with common UI bugs on blizzard's side and solutions |
| 23:41.55 | Stanzilla | haven't seen that one yet if it exists :p |
| 23:43.32 | Semlar2 | :O |
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