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| 01:52.22 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 01:52.32 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 02:02.09 | kd3 | yay wednesday is over |
| 02:02.26 | Fisker | :( |
| 02:03.57 | kd3 | oh wow the HFC nerfs |
| 02:04.02 | kd3 | but then the raid has been out for a while |
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| 02:18.24 | Stanzilla | LFR2 |
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| 02:44.40 | Shirik | huh |
| 02:44.43 | Shirik | just found a bug in google chrome |
| 02:44.46 | Shirik | that's a fun one |
| 02:45.02 | Shirik | they don't bother checking what mouse button triggered the mouse up event |
| 02:45.26 | Shirik | so, for example, if you hold down middle mouse on a tab and then left click it, it closes as if you had released the middle mouse button |
| 02:48.48 | Fisker | That's not a bug Shirik |
| 02:53.36 | mckenziemc | neither is Fisker, he's a fish. |
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| 03:31.23 | pompy | Go away Joaquin >< |
| 03:40.12 | Neffi | oh ok |
| 03:42.04 | Semlar | glomps neffi |
| 03:42.28 | Neffi | what is a glomp |
| 03:44.11 | Semlar | ;) |
| 03:44.52 | mckenziemc | a glomp is what Semlar just did to you |
| 03:47.00 | mukunda | can raid unitids have gaps in the indexes? |
| 03:47.29 | Semlar | no |
| 03:48.03 | mukunda | ok, same for party ids? |
| 03:48.07 | Semlar | right |
| 03:48.09 | mukunda | thanks |
| 03:48.15 | Semlar | probably |
| 03:48.33 | mukunda | im blaming you later if it breaks |
| 03:48.46 | Semlar | but you signed this nondisclosure agreement |
| 03:48.59 | mckenziemc | wrong form Semlar |
| 03:49.03 | Semlar | dammit |
| 03:49.08 | mckenziemc | should've been a release of liability |
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| 04:26.10 | Thordurin | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:26.25 | Cairenn | hugs Thordurin |
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| 04:57.50 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 04:58.03 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc |
| 04:59.37 | Neffi | puts Semlar in a straight jacket so he's always hugging himself. :3 |
| 05:00.33 | Semlar | puts neffi in a reverse straightjacket |
| 05:01.26 | Neffi | my arms aren't supposed to bend that way D: |
| 05:02.00 | Semlar | i guess it doesn't bend that way |
| 05:02.16 | mckenziemc | reverse-puts Semlar in Neffi. |
| 05:02.45 | Neffi | puts(mckenziemc) on Semlar |
| 05:05.27 | mckenziemc | you might want to check your spelling (or your function naming scheme) |
| 05:07.42 | Neffi | no, you're a string, and I'm puts()ing that into Semlar |
| 05:08.15 | mckenziemc | you putz |
| 05:08.22 | Semlar | vampire doctor neffi |
| 05:08.27 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 05:08.34 | Semlar | he has to stop the infection from spreading |
| 05:08.56 | Neffi | is he gonna suck it out? |
| 05:09.03 | Semlar | that would be unsanitary |
| 05:09.09 | Neffi | yes it would |
| 05:09.25 | Semlar | they're making a cure for the virus |
| 05:09.36 | Neffi | does it involve blood? |
| 05:09.39 | Semlar | yes |
| 05:09.53 | Semlar | right now it neutralizes the virus and also kills all of the healthy cells |
| 05:10.04 | Neffi | does it make the pateint a vampire? |
| 05:10.11 | Semlar | no the patient already is a vampire |
| 05:10.17 | Semlar | mostly it just kills them |
| 05:10.20 | Neffi | no isn't the doctor a vampire? |
| 05:10.29 | Semlar | the doctor is a vampire too |
| 05:10.38 | Neffi | how does a vampire have an infection |
| 05:10.45 | Neffi | vampires dont get sick |
| 05:10.45 | mckenziemc | how soon till it's ready for testing on Neffi? |
| 05:10.50 | Semlar | well the vampirism is a virus |
| 05:11.01 | Neffi | this show is too confusing for me Semlar |
| 05:11.21 | Semlar | they set up a ward in the hospital to experiment on curing people who have terminal illnesses with the vampire virus |
| 05:11.35 | Neffi | so people know he's a vampire? |
| 05:11.40 | Semlar | no |
| 05:11.44 | Neffi | oh ok |
| 05:11.51 | Semlar | and they don't know they're being turned into vampires |
| 05:12.11 | Neffi | i'm pretty sure there's gonna be a lawsuit involved here |
| 05:12.21 | Semlar | yeah they might have to get the vampire prosecutor involved |
| 05:12.30 | Semlar | they really need a crossover |
| 05:12.38 | Neffi | of course they do |
| 05:13.15 | Semlar | although this isn't really the sort of thing vampire prosecutor investigates.. |
| 05:13.26 | mckenziemc | he said crossover, not crossdresser |
| 05:13.28 | Semlar | he's more of a homicide detective |
| 05:13.29 | mckenziemc | tehy don't need you Neffi |
| 05:15.06 | Semlar | there are two vampire surgeons at the hospital neffi |
| 05:15.12 | Semlar | and one of them is a bad guy |
| 05:15.14 | Neffi | this is far too much for me Semlar |
| 05:15.33 | Semlar | and the good vampire doctor is trying to stop him |
| 05:16.32 | Semlar | he has to resist transforming every time he sees blood though |
| 05:16.55 | Semlar | honestly i don't know why he went into the medical field |
| 05:19.42 | Neffi | oh, this is one of the ones where they have to transform into vampire mode? |
| 05:19.47 | Neffi | that's pretty corny |
| 05:20.02 | Semlar | his eyes change color and his nails get pointy |
| 05:32.45 | Semlar | i need a good book neffi |
| 05:36.23 | mckenziemc | hands Semlar a phone book. |
| 05:37.01 | Semlar | clubs mckenziemc with a phone book |
| 05:37.13 | Neffi | Semlar: What kind? |
| 05:37.15 | mckenziemc | spades Semlar with a trombone. |
| 05:37.23 | Semlar | THE GOOD KIND NEFFI |
| 05:37.46 | Neffi | Neal Stephenson released a book recently that sounds great. Or, if you have read his previous work, check out Cryptonomicon or Anathem. |
| 05:38.17 | Neffi | right now I'm reading American Gods which is supposed to be all sorts of awesome, but I'm only 3 chapters in, but it seems good |
| 05:38.42 | Neffi | have you read ASoIaF? |
| 05:39.07 | Semlar | i started trying to read one of the game of thrones books and i thought it was terrible |
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| 05:39.20 | Semlar | buuut maybe it's just not my style |
| 05:39.31 | Neffi | you silly person |
| 05:39.42 | Neffi | What did you find terrible about it? |
| 05:39.55 | Semlar | i didn't like the writing |
| 05:40.08 | Neffi | Because they are very large in scope, so they can seem boring from the get-go, and Neal Stephenson has the same problem. He writes 1000+ page tomes. |
| 05:40.33 | Semlar | i don't really like serious fantasy or scifi stuff |
| 05:40.44 | Neffi | Ok |
| 05:40.59 | Neffi | Cryptonomicon is alternate history, not scifi |
| 05:41.01 | Semlar | like battlestarr galactica |
| 05:41.08 | Neffi | that's cheesy scifi |
| 05:41.22 | Neffi | But Anathem is roughly in the same ballpark, but much, much better |
| 05:41.29 | Semlar | does it have any jokes |
| 05:41.32 | Semlar | or puns |
| 05:41.53 | Semlar | or a wizard acting as a private investigator in chicago |
| 05:41.55 | Neffi | Cryptonomicon is alternate history about WW2, codebreaking, special ops missions, IT-related stuff |
| 05:42.04 | Neffi | Cryptocurrencies and data havens |
| 05:42.08 | Neffi | it's a real great read |
| 05:43.49 | Neffi | No, Anathem is about an Earth-like planet where scientists, mathemeticians and philosophers live like monks, separated from the influences of outside society, and then .. well, something big happens, and I'd rather not ruin that part |
| 05:44.01 | Neffi | one of my favorite books |
| 05:44.56 | Semlar | i want a raccoon neffi |
| 05:45.04 | Neffi | raccoons are mean Semlar |
| 05:45.21 | Semlar | not if i raise it right |
| 05:45.30 | Semlar | teach it right and wrong |
| 05:45.37 | Neffi | I'm looking at my pretty bare bookshelf to give you recommendations but it's all scifi and fantasy :( |
| 05:45.55 | mckenziemc | a raccoon tried to get me to run it over today :( |
| 05:46.02 | Semlar | i like fantasy, the serious stuff is just really boring |
| 05:46.06 | Neffi | raccoons can't learn right from wrong Semlar |
| 05:46.24 | Neffi | Semlar: fair enough |
| 05:46.50 | Neffi | umm, you can read one of Terry Pratchet's 4 million books |
| 05:47.17 | Semlar | i already did |
| 05:47.22 | Neffi | The only thing light hearted I have is Douglas Adams |
| 05:47.39 | Semlar | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Procyon_lotor_7_-_am_Wasser.jpg look how fluffy it is |
| 05:48.11 | Neffi | why is it so fat? |
| 05:48.39 | Semlar | wow neffi, you can't just go around asking people why they're fat |
| 05:48.49 | Neffi | :( soz |
| 05:48.57 | Semlar | :O |
| 05:49.03 | Neffiphone | rebooting |
| 05:49.45 | Neffiphone | you should read American Gods, Semlar |
| 05:49.55 | Semlar | i think i already did |
| 05:50.10 | Semlar | i've read other neil gaiman books |
| 05:51.10 | Neffiphone | have you read Kim Stanley Robinson's stuff? some of his books are next on my list after this |
| 05:51.24 | Neffiphone | I've got 2312 waiting |
| 05:51.34 | Semlar | no |
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| 05:51.52 | Neffiphone | well, its SciFi, but its good stuff |
| 05:55.28 | Semlar | what is red dwarf |
| 05:56.08 | mckenziemc | a classification of stars |
| 05:56.46 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's that bbc show where the guy is a cat |
| 05:56.53 | Neffiphone | hahah |
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| 07:06.55 | VIad | mukunda: I went to bed, did you et an answer on your inspect_ready event? :p |
| 07:19.06 | VIad | in short, sadly you can't queue inspects, the notify will return the latest results. no clue why its like that tbh. its one of those systems that need a serious revamp, just like how completed quests got a internal cache and we no longer have to deal with updating it, same could be done with inspecting. |
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| 07:41.26 | agi_ | Hi, I ran into a strange issue with item Pickup/Placement, was wondering if anyone had experience with it |
| 07:41.47 | agi_ | When I do /run PickupInventoryItem(13); PutItemInBackpack(); it works perfectly |
| 07:42.08 | agi_ | but when I do /run PickupInventoryItem(13); PutItemInBag(1); it doesn't put the item in my bag |
| 07:42.20 | agi_ | the second call returns nil as if the cursor had no item on it |
| 07:46.07 | agi_ | the item is actually picked up so it seems like there's a delay in being able to do something with it, but its odd that Backpack works reliably and Bag does not |
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| 08:45.07 | agi_ | actually I can't seem to get PutItemInBag() to work at all and I don't see any alternative function |
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| 08:45.55 | nevcairiel | PutItemInBag works in my inventory addon |
| 08:46.03 | nevcairiel | maybe the id you pass is wrong? |
| 08:49.05 | agi_ | I tried 1 through 4, none work even though most of those bags have open slots |
| 08:49.26 | agi_ | no lua error either. Possible some addon is hooking the function maybe? |
| 08:49.35 | nevcairiel | Values 20 to 23 correspond to the player's bag slots, right-to-left from the first bag after the backpack. |
| 08:50.18 | agi_ | that is definitely not what wowprogramming says, heh |
| 08:50.44 | agi_ | yeah that'd do it, works now. Thanks! |
| 08:50.59 | nebula169 | changed from bagid to slotid some time ago |
| 08:52.58 | nevcairiel | there is the function ContainerIDToInventoryID to convert between them |
| 08:53.36 | agi_ | ah okay, I was wondering what that was for |
| 08:55.51 | agi_ | weird that some of the functions use containerID and some use inventoryID for no explicable reason |
| 08:59.35 | nevcairiel | welcome to the wow ui :p |
| 09:00.46 | agi_ | no wonder my code was silently failing when I was trying to put a trinket in the helm slot |
| 09:01.15 | agi_ | anyways I've updated wowprogramming for that function, thanks again for the help |
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| 10:29.39 | karl_w_w | https://vid.me/KVfZ |
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| 12:32.30 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, tackles! |
| 12:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | My sandy yard did not flood yesterday, but my basement is unhappily wet. |
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| 14:12.09 | Gnarfoz | those are some very weird euphemisms |
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| 15:28.34 | karl_w_w | well, my saga of weird tech issues continues |
| 15:28.53 | karl_w_w | the flash on my nexus 4 turns off before the photo is taken |
| 15:46.03 | Gnarfoz | technically, that's correct |
| 15:46.46 | Gnarfoz | (however, I assume you mean it turns off too early so it fulfill its purpose anymore) |
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| 16:03.07 | karl_w_w | that's right |
| 16:03.26 | kullervo | it could also flash to assist focus or test light conditions |
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| 16:06.13 | Dagmar | The camera app flips on the flash to see whether or not extra light will do any good |
| 16:13.47 | Gnarfoz | I expect he set it to "force" and it still doesn't do it |
| 16:14.02 | Gnarfoz | (or rather, still does it wrong) |
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| 17:41.03 | karl_w_w | indeed |
| 17:52.36 | Dagmar | Ouch. That's a problem. |
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| 18:12.30 | mukunda | so im guessing the inspect system kind of cuts you off for an hour or so if you make too many requests? |
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| 18:23.27 | Guill | Aww, I missed the Neffi+Semlar book conversation last night. +1 for both Anathem and American Gods though. Two of my all-time favorite books. |
| 18:23.59 | Neffi | :3 |
| 18:24.21 | Neffi | I want to reread Anathem but there's too many books I need to read the first time |
| 18:24.42 | Dagmar | It didn't stretch your brain hard enough the first time? |
| 18:24.51 | Dagmar | (That having been said it's one of few books I'd read a second time) |
| 18:25.07 | Neffi | I took it at a slow pace and let the ideas mull around my noggin. I always do. |
| 18:25.17 | Guill | Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in the beginning that you don't really get on the first read-through |
| 18:25.30 | Dagmar | There were some serious infinite reflection things going on in that book |
| 18:25.36 | Neffi | I've read it twice already, actually |
| 18:25.38 | Ressy | Submit your questions: https://twitter.com/kurtismcc/status/649477264799731712 |
| 18:25.56 | Dagmar | I got them, but then again, Memento and Primer didn't really give me any problems either |
| 18:26.09 | Neffi | but it's been long enough that it's all turned to mud in my memory, so I'd like to give it another go around |
| 18:27.22 | Primer | eh? |
| 18:27.59 | Guill | mukunda: There is indeed a throttle on inspecting. Can't give any info on the exact numbers, but if possible you should try to cache your results and not keep re-requesting them. |
| 18:30.09 | mukunda | its just doing it once per player in the raid and again if it detects them change specs or talents, but it stopped working and i had to restart the game to see talent data again |
| 18:31.57 | mukunda | i added a little delay thing so it wont ask too fast when refreshing the raid on a reload or something |
| 18:32.07 | Dagmar | Neffi: Some of the bits really impressed me. Like, it was very clear that the "punishment" the monastery was engaging in was actually an attempt to contact variation universese |
| 18:32.22 | Dagmar | A pretty elegant one, in fact |
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| 18:41.11 | Semlar | hugtackles Guill |
| 18:41.43 | Semlar | i'm sad that i can't post on the ui & macro forum without an active subscription |
| 18:46.21 | Guill | Well then reactivate! Otherwise how else are you going to participate in the posts complaining about all the 7.0 API changes that break every AddOn? |
| 18:46.27 | Guill | >.> |
| 18:46.32 | Semlar | <_< |
| 18:47.03 | Semlar | you work for the sales department don't you |
| 18:47.07 | Torhal | Guill: So long as it's 2.0-level breakage, it's all good. |
| 18:47.08 | Torhal | >.> |
| 18:47.30 | nebula169 | i think 2.0 level breakage would kill wow KILL IT |
| 18:47.36 | Torhal | :O |
| 18:49.02 | Guill | Won't quite be 2.0 level breakage hopefully :P |
| 18:50.00 | Neffi | ait what |
| 18:51.23 | Guill | I'm going to try to make sure we have documentation posted to the UI&Macros forums plenty early this time so that people know what's coming. |
| 18:51.25 | kd3 | wait, what? |
| 18:51.42 | kd3 | another security model? |
| 18:51.49 | kd3 | is this going to fix taint? |
| 18:52.06 | Semlar | tries to calm kd3 down |
| 18:52.20 | kd3 | just curious for now |
| 18:52.40 | Guill | Nope, nothing that impactful. The worst of it (so far) is a change to how we handle render ordering. We only had to make ~2 changes to the default UI to get stuff working, but if other people do weird things to handle frame ordering, they may need to make more significant changes |
| 18:52.53 | Neffi | maybe they're finally moving all secure stuff into C and making a proper API which the default UI also uses, so taint isn't necessary |
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| 18:52.56 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.29 | Guill | I don't think you really want that :P That would mean no Action Bar addons |
| 18:53.29 | kd3 | that would be nice - everything playing by the same rules would be awesome |
| 18:53.55 | kd3 | modulo obviously secure things like the in-game shop |
| 18:54.17 | Neffi | Guill: No, it would mean action bar addons would use an API very much the same as the existing secure system, except exposed from C instead of Lua, so no more dancing around potential taint sources. It would just mean now, the default UI is also using the same API instead of getting free reign |
| 18:54.34 | Neffi | I don't think it's a stretch to say that's the _correct_ way to do this |
| 18:54.40 | Neffi | Taint is a messy hack |
| 18:54.42 | Guill | Ah, I see what you mean. |
| 18:54.49 | Semlar | tries to calm neffi down |
| 18:54.51 | kd3 | the way wildstar works |
| 18:54.57 | Neffi | throws clam juice all over Semlar |
| 18:55.02 | Semlar | not again.. |
| 18:55.05 | Neffi | :3 |
| 18:56.00 | Neffi | The upshot of doing it this way is, they'd probably end up making the secure API even more capable once they realized how hard or quirky some things are to implement |
| 18:56.01 | Guill | At least last time I looked at it, there were some holes in the Wildstar system that would make it easy to write bots. |
| 18:56.12 | nebula169 | i remember people liking the high level concept of wildstar addons, but in practice it was a clusterfuck |
| 18:56.26 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 18:56.41 | Neffi | There are probably still holes in the WoW system Guill. At least one person has claimed they know of a hole and havent exploited it yet so as to not rock the boat |
| 18:56.46 | Guill | Yeah, I definitely agree that there would be value in making our UI use the same secure system as AddOns. It's a little hard to sell the extra development time to designers though. |
| 18:57.18 | Neffi | Yeah, that's why I dont hold it against the team. The infrastructure is already there. Tearing down and rebuilding from scratch is a hard sell |
| 18:57.38 | kd3 | wow8.0, wow2: electric bugaloo |
| 18:59.27 | Guill | If I had time to do whatever I wanted, I'd probably just create two Lua states. One would have access to secure actions, but not to data we don't want people to have access to (i.e. auras,spellcasts,etc.) and one would have the reverse. Then just some way to pass messages between them out of combat |
| 18:59.42 | Guill | But that's such a huge change, I doubt it would ever happen :( |
| 18:59.50 | Neffi | that seems inherently limiting, though |
| 19:00.08 | Neffi | the single state works. it allows for a lot of creative manipulation that a more restrictive system wouldn't have considered |
| 19:00.17 | Guill | Like? |
| 19:00.19 | Neffi | you just need to move everything sensitive out of it |
| 19:00.27 | Neffi | hooking the default UI in crazy ways |
| 19:01.05 | Neffi | Forgive me if I cant think of a specific example, but browse some addons and I'm sure you'll find many things that can't be done without ugly hooks into the default UI. And I think that's perfectly OK to do, if it achieves some functionality you want |
| 19:01.09 | Neffi | Let people do it |
| 19:01.49 | Guill | I think that would still be achievable. Allowing the secure environment to send messages to the insecure one even inside combat would allow that. |
| 19:02.14 | Neffi | I was thinking of such a scripting layer, and I'd always come back to a system that wasn't too different from WoW's UI, except with stylistic departures in how the API is set up, and the aforementioned moving of secure/sensitive stuff solely to C |
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| 19:17.33 | zenzelezz | man, another school shooting in the US? |
| 19:17.41 | kd3 | ugh |
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| 19:18.22 | kd3 | "In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." |
| 19:18.23 | zenzelezz | sometimes, only sometimes, I can understand the death penalty |
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| 19:25.29 | Dagmar | Such a fallacious argument. *sigh* |
| 19:26.03 | zenzelezz | true |
| 19:27.19 | relaxok | the part i don't really get is why some people LIKE guns so much.. regardless of any other aspects of the issue, that's one i will never figure out |
| 19:27.50 | Neffi | maybe they are hunters |
| 19:28.25 | nebula169 | don't need handguns or automatic rifles for hunting |
| 19:28.36 | Neffi | Or maybe they want to keep a small gun and enough ammo for basic defense of self and family on their own property |
| 19:28.57 | Neffi | You don't need rifles for hunting? That's a new one |
| 19:29.41 | nebula169 | there is a difference when you add automatic to the name? |
| 19:29.52 | Neffi | Want more regulation? Sure. That's a good thing. But going around and saying guns are evil and nobody could possibly want one and they must be hick rednecks for ever considering owning it, is only going to make reasonable people resent you and scoff at your argument, and isn't getting us closer to a good solution |
| 19:30.02 | Neffi | nebula169: No, not really. |
| 19:31.46 | zenzelezz | "automatic" is automatically cooler |
| 19:34.57 | relaxok | i wonder how many people have ever successfully used a gun to protect their family, vs how many people have killed their family with it. |
| 19:35.15 | Neffi | That's a bad argument though |
| 19:35.22 | nevcairiel | wasnt the gun to protect yourself from the king of england |
| 19:35.34 | nevcairiel | or queen, as it may be today |
| 19:35.35 | relaxok | is it? aren't we trying to reduce deaths? |
| 19:35.48 | Neffi | Most of the people who have accidentally killed were misinformed about proper gun usage and safety, because such education is not widely available to the average person because "oh god why would we want guns?" |
| 19:36.04 | relaxok | i didnt mean accidentally killed their family |
| 19:36.05 | nevcairiel | yet guns are widely available to average people |
| 19:36.06 | relaxok | i mean murdered |
| 19:36.08 | nevcairiel | seems like a bad mix |
| 19:36.08 | nevcairiel | :;D |
| 19:36.09 | Neffi | The real question is, how many people who owned a gun and had proper education accidentally killed, versus successfully defended |
| 19:36.20 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: I find it amusing that everyone keeps dodging the point that it's meant to be able to defend yourself from things like, well... the _police_ |
| 19:36.32 | Neffi | nevcairiel: No they are not. Regulations are fairly strict in most places, automatic rifles are pretty much outright banned, etc |
| 19:36.44 | Neffi | Guns are not nearly as accessible in the US as you guys seem to think. This isn't the movies. |
| 19:36.50 | Dagmar | Neffi++ |
| 19:36.51 | nevcairiel | Neffi: a simple 5 shot revolver is enough to kill someone |
| 19:37.01 | Neffi | So? |
| 19:37.08 | nevcairiel | dont need no automatic rifles |
| 19:37.20 | Neffi | I was touching on neb's comment earlier |
| 19:37.30 | Neffi | Also it's impossible for me to go out and get a revolver right now |
| 19:37.34 | Neffi | Or any gun, whatsoever |
| 19:38.00 | Neffi | If I applied for the license, and faced a thorough background check, then I'd have access to a fairly limited range of weapons |
| 19:38.17 | Gnarfoz | if they're so inaccessible, why are the stats what they are |
| 19:38.32 | Gnarfoz | they seem to be far more accessible than almost anywhere else |
| 19:38.43 | Neffi | Because other states differ, and because the regulation has largely been a bad effort -- getting guns illegally is still possible, just like anywhere |
| 19:39.00 | Neffi | Regulation has largely been a political move, not a practical one |
| 19:39.07 | Gnarfoz | s/anywhere/anywhere in the US/ |
| 19:39.08 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 19:39.13 | Gnarfoz | oh derp |
| 19:39.16 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 19:39.30 | Gnarfoz | I forgot purl doesn't let you meddle with other people's messages :P |
| 19:40.33 | nevcairiel | you can argue all you want, but gun related deaths are still way up in the US compared to any other western countries |
| 19:40.56 | Neffi | Per capita? |
| 19:41.09 | Dagmar | I blame rap music |
| 19:41.13 | Neffi | Yes, they are up compared to countries where guns practically don't exist. I wonder what the overall murder rate per capita says |
| 19:41.25 | Neffi | Because hwo many of those murderers would use a knife instead if they didnt have a gun? |
| 19:41.41 | Neffi | Or how about countries where guns are legal, but murder rate is still very low? |
| 19:41.51 | Neffi | Still want to blame guns? |
| 19:41.55 | Gnarfoz | I invite you to find those numbers to support your argument |
| 19:42.05 | Dagmar | Poverty causes murder |
| 19:42.26 | Gnarfoz | vs. trying to make us look everywhere ELSE than where the problem exists >_> |
| 19:42.31 | zenzelezz | regardless of statistics, fewer guns would most likely mean fewer murders. In the end that's what it boils down to |
| 19:42.41 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: he'll find some way to disagree |
| 19:42.43 | Gnarfoz | :C |
| 19:42.51 | zenzelezz | he? |
| 19:42.58 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Nice. I must be unreasonable because I don't agree with you |
| 19:43.23 | Neffi | zenzelezz: Yes, that is true. And it's a shame. But that's not argument enough for abolishment. It's just argument for regulation. |
| 19:43.34 | Gnarfoz | nobody argued for abolishment, though |
| 19:44.01 | Neffi | Then why the hell are you arguing? |
| 19:44.28 | Dagmar | Less poverty would result in fewer murders |
| 19:44.29 | Gnarfoz | dunno, probably because some people were shot. again. |
| 19:44.44 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: that would certainly help, too |
| 19:44.45 | Neffi | Dagmar: And fewer trains would result in fewer train-related deaths |
| 19:44.45 | Dagmar | ...also, probably a lot easier than wasteing so much time wittering about "gun control" |
| 19:45.01 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: So it's an emotional response? |
| 19:45.10 | Dagmar | Neffi: Slower trains |
| 19:45.16 | Neffi | Emotional responses never make for good policies. This is the worst time to visit the issue. |
| 19:45.28 | Dagmar | The high murder rates are happning in the areas with the worst poverty |
| 19:45.35 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: considering how politics work, this is the only time to visit the issue |
| 19:45.36 | Neffi | We will get hasty and half-assed regulation, and more widespread access to illegal firearms that are not cleanly traceable |
| 19:45.45 | Dagmar | It's not like anyone but idiot rap stars decide it's a good idea to just up and murder people |
| 19:46.06 | Gnarfoz | see kd3's quote earlier |
| 19:46.11 | zenzelezz | Neffi: I never said it was an argument for abolishment. Guns have uses. I agree on regulation |
| 19:46.25 | Dagmar | ...and the US is just about leading the pack with respect to keeping most of it's population scrambling to not starve and deeply in debt. |
| 19:46.52 | Dagmar | But let's have more of that trickle down economics anyway |
| 19:47.01 | Gnarfoz | I thought you had a free market economy and thus it's the corporations who are to blame for that debt? :P |
| 19:47.08 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: kd3's quote was fear mongering. When did any of us say it's OK to kill children? This is a knee-jerk emotional response |
| 19:47.32 | pompy | RIP Star Citizen http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2015/10/01/report-star-citizen-is-almost-out-of-cash-and-chris-roberts-insatiable-ambition-is-to-blame/ |
| 19:47.38 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: it also seemed to be accurate in that nothing happened after the last shooting was out of the public mind |
| 19:47.43 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 19:47.57 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Nothing happened? Do you follow American politics that closely? |
| 19:48.40 | Neffi | This regulation is up to the states, so feel free to tune into the happenings of all 50 instead of just paying attention to what leaks through over internet headlines |
| 19:49.11 | Gnarfoz | well, seems like you live in 50 different countries some times |
| 19:49.18 | Neffi | Pretty much, yes |
| 19:49.20 | Gnarfoz | but you get gay marriage over night! |
| 19:49.25 | Neffi | US was designed as a union |
| 19:49.40 | Neffi | We are more tightly packed than the EU, but the intention was originally basically what the EU is |
| 19:49.49 | Gnarfoz | the EU is not a country, though |
| 19:49.53 | Neffi | Yes, I know |
| 19:49.53 | Gnarfoz | we ARE actually 28 different countries |
| 19:50.06 | Neffi | We were intended to just be a union of independent states |
| 19:50.08 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, probably just a matter of nomenclature at this point |
| 19:50.19 | nevcairiel | And often I think we can get stuff fixed in the member countries faster than all your states can agree on =p |
| 19:50.31 | Gnarfoz | we are fewer members, to be fair |
| 19:50.42 | Neffi | Not entirely, because the semantics of our politics differ from yours. And I dont know if you guys choose to ignore that so you can poke fun as America as a whole, or if you're just unaware of how badly your arguments apply |
| 19:50.59 | Gnarfoz | honestly, more the latter |
| 19:50.59 | nevcairiel | we just like to poke fun at muricans |
| 19:51.00 | Neffi | Many things are up to the states and only the states, and it's mandated that way |
| 19:51.11 | nevcairiel | unless the supreme court says otherwise? |
| 19:51.12 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:51.25 | Gnarfoz | we also have entirely different legal systems |
| 19:51.31 | Gnarfoz | doesn't help |
| 19:51.31 | Neffi | yes, because the supreme court chooses how to interpret that mandate. but they can't invent new mandates |
| 19:51.31 | Dagmar | They dont' get before the supreme court without reason |
| 19:51.51 | Neffi | The supreme court has to decide how the writings fit the situation, and that's it. We are common law with judicial review. |
| 19:52.07 | Neffi | They still cannot violate the written constitution and are honor bound by it |
| 19:54.14 | Gnarfoz | so basically, the system is too slow to achieve anything in a reasonable timeframe, seems like the perfect opportunity for all those guns! :D |
| 19:54.36 | Neffi | haha |
| 19:55.25 | Neffi | Our current congress is totally useless and has been for a long time, but that's a cultural issue, really. The system, as designed, works. |
| 19:55.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, shame something like that happened again, I hope something to lower the chances of such things can be achieved |
| 19:55.46 | Neffi | We can agree on that |
| 19:55.53 | Dagmar | Gotta do something about the social issue that cause people to go crazy |
| 19:56.39 | Dagmar | Inquisitions are not that something, by the way |
| 19:56.52 | nevcairiel | everyone likes a good inquisition |
| 19:58.53 | Dagmar | If we have inquisitions, people like me are fucked |
| 19:59.12 | Dagmar | ...and I'm probably one of the least likely people in this condoplex to go on a killing spree |
| 19:59.26 | Neffi | i got the rope. grab Dagmar's legs |
| 19:59.49 | Dagmar | Keep in mind I didn't say anything about "killing people who threaten me" |
| 20:01.15 | Dagmar | As far as people who might summarily make sashimi out of a housebreaker brandishing a weapon are concerned, I am at the top of the list |
| 20:02.47 | Dagmar | Folks hollering for more "gun control" are looking for a quick fix |
| 20:03.01 | Dagmar | THey don't want to admit to themselves that this situation is very fucked up, and it took a long time to _get_ this fucked up. |
| 20:03.34 | Dagmar | The issues of financial disparity and wildly out of control economic and justice systems won't be fixed by just declaring guns are bad and no one should have them |
| 20:03.47 | Dagmar | They will take at least 20-30 years minimum to sort out |
| 20:03.55 | Semlar | to be fair, guns are bad and nobody should have them |
| 20:03.56 | Dagmar | 10 if we start burning shit down. |
| 20:04.57 | Semlar | a gun will make just about any situation worse |
| 20:05.08 | Dagmar | Slavery is bad and no one should do it, but lobbyists say otherwise |
| 20:07.51 | Dagmar | A gun in the hands of an irresponsible person will make things worse |
| 20:08.10 | Dagmar | A gun in the hands of an intelligent individual has the capability to restore order quickly. |
| 20:09.53 | Semlar | it makes you an immediate threat, escalates the situation and makes it more likely that you're going to die |
| 20:10.54 | Dagmar | It also means that the person who is the cause of the problem is also much more likely to stop being a problem |
| 20:11.23 | Dagmar | ...although personally I think medieval Japan was on the right track, that genie is out of the bottle now. |
| 20:11.27 | Dagmar | It ain't goin' back in. |
| 20:16.30 | zenzelezz | for the last three years, suicide numbers in Japan have been below 30k (each year) |
| 20:17.10 | zenzelezz | I ended up on wikipedia earlier today, in case you're wondering why I knew that |
| 20:17.24 | Dagmar | Actually I was referring to their complete prohibition on guns or powered weapons of any king |
| 20:17.29 | Dagmar | er kind |
| 20:17.35 | Dagmar | Swords and bows. |
| 20:18.00 | Dagmar | ...which were _plentiful_ |
| 20:18.03 | zenzelezz | yeah, it just felt like the only time I'd have the chance to squeeze that into a conversation |
| 20:18.37 | Dagmar | Ooo... |
| 20:19.02 | Dagmar | It'll be interesting to see how long they go in Heroes Reborn without noticing Katana Girl lives in a love hotel |
| 20:20.59 | zenzelezz | without who noticing? |
| 20:22.39 | Gnarfoz | good question, building shape was rather obvious |
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| 20:47.37 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/gallery/4bRY5KT - this... a thousand times this |
| 20:48.48 | nevcairiel | you are obviously wearing a sophisticated pair of AVR glasses, where would the HUD come from otherwise |
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| 20:50.43 | Gnarfoz | I want AVR back |
| 20:50.58 | nevcairiel | Cant raid without it anymore, eh? |
| 20:51.03 | Gnarfoz | pfff :D |
| 20:51.24 | Gnarfoz | I really should have stuck around and tried out Wildstar's raiding, since it bascially has it built in and everything is designed to take it into account |
| 20:53.05 | Gnarfoz | was it fun, Caleb|? |
| 20:53.24 | nevcairiel | from what I hear, it also expects perfect movement due to it, making it somewhat hardcore |
| 20:53.31 | nevcairiel | and well, its all that the encounters boil down to |
| 20:53.59 | Stanzilla | I got a headache from all the bright telegraph thingies |
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| 21:04.20 | Caleb| | it was fun for a while, but I'd still not compare it to WoW |
| 21:05.04 | Caleb| | you can change the opacity of the telegraphs, hack even hide some |
| 21:05.08 | Gnarfoz | Google Music's search needs a BPM filter |
| 21:05.20 | nevcairiel | BPM is such an odd metric |
| 21:05.21 | zenzelezz | people should stop comparing everything to WoW |
| 21:05.23 | Caleb| | spell effects were more of the issue, but you can tune those down too with some cvars afaik |
| 21:06.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, what I should really do is try and transfer the stuff I'm looking for from MiniDisc to a computer and run it through some audio recognition thing |
| 21:06.18 | Gnarfoz | (or just play it back and have my phone do it, hah) |
| 21:06.26 | nevcairiel | you have minidiscs? |
| 21:06.38 | Gnarfoz | sure, in a box somewhere |
| 21:06.39 | Caleb| | you know there is an unofficial gmusic API right Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:06.48 | nevcairiel | that doesnt change anything |
| 21:06.57 | nevcairiel | still no BPM data =p |
| 21:07.03 | Caleb| | not saying it might do what you are looking to do, but who knows... |
| 21:07.38 | Gnarfoz | I doubt it can help me find 2000-ish trance mixes |
| 21:07.59 | nevcairiel | I dont think I ever owned any minidiscs |
| 21:08.11 | nevcairiel | casettes and CDs only |
| 21:08.35 | Gnarfoz | I only had Hörspiel stuff on MC, I think |
| 21:11.03 | Stanzilla | I had tons of minidiscs |
| 21:11.10 | Stanzilla | but it was kinda annoying to put stuff on them |
| 21:11.59 | nevcairiel | All I remember is that CDs were super annoying when you tried to use them while biking around, they liked to skip so easy when moved |
| 21:12.21 | nevcairiel | probably had a cheap cd player too |
| 21:12.26 | nevcairiel | less skip buffers |
| 21:24.34 | Gnarfoz | yeah, MD was better in that regard |
| 21:24.48 | Gnarfoz | also, why can't I find an option to show health numbers on monster health bars? |
| 21:25.07 | Gnarfoz | or is that included in the "health bar numbers" option even though the tooltip only mentions player health bars? |
| 21:25.38 | nevcairiel | for diablo? i guess thats combined |
| 21:25.42 | nevcairiel | never show player bars myself |
| 21:26.21 | Stanzilla | press D |
| 21:26.35 | Gnarfoz | but I don't wanna drink my potion |
| 21:26.53 | Stanzilla | ok you have weird keybinds again |
| 21:27.30 | pompy | http://ships.carnivalentertainment.com/#ship/carnival-valor/cameras gg carnival.. please dont sail it right into joaquin >< |
| 21:32.22 | nevcairiel | i dont get it pompy |
| 21:33.50 | nevcairiel | the ship is still pretty close to the i sland they last stopped at |
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| 21:56.09 | pompy | nevcairiel: that red icon, mouseover it |
| 21:56.11 | pompy | look at the date |
| 21:56.22 | pompy | idk why they are so far behind on their official page |
| 21:56.26 | pompy | all of the time |
| 21:57.10 | nevcairiel | a quick google suggests they changed the ships courses because of the hurricane |
| 22:02.08 | pompy | nevcairiel: yeah i wouldnt doubt it |
| 22:02.33 | pompy | and it looks like marinetraffic.com has the most reliable data.. they show the last position as of 14 hrs ago, http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:414158/mmsi:354298000/vessel:CARNIVAL%20VALOR |
| 22:02.36 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.18 | nevcairiel | anyhow these ships are giant, and as long as they dont hit ground, its going to be fine :p |
| 22:09.31 | pompy | indeed |
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| 22:10.56 | pompy | my cruise at the end of august... we were just going up the florida coast concluding our cruise just as hurricane ericka was making her way up... so the seas were a bit rough.. it was fun. |
| 22:12.49 | nevcairiel | i like rough sea, especially when i'm driving the boat =p |
| 22:13.24 | nevcairiel | havent been on one entire year though, never got around to it |
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