| 00:00.07 | erisna | it takes only 199KB (memory addon) in game |
| 00:00.10 | erisna | it sounds good |
| 00:00.19 | kd3 | but it's not memory that's the issue. it's cpu time |
| 00:00.22 | Neffi | The amount of memory doesn't matter |
| 00:00.34 | kd3 | addon memory is literally a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the game |
| 00:00.36 | Neffi | No addon really consumes enough memory to have any impact on game performance |
| 00:00.49 | erisna | i see what you mean |
| 00:01.05 | Neffi | Doing stupid stuff like calculating things every onupdate because it makes the code more compact and macro-friendly, however, can have an impact, and even a large one |
| 00:01.24 | kd3 | a poorly-coded addon/script can kill your fps. properly-coded addons that have 20MB of data have little-to-no impact on the game |
| 00:01.41 | erisna | kd3: possible but it really doesn't atm |
| 00:02.02 | erisna | its good believe me, maybe i didn't paste some god-awful code from there but good ones |
| 00:02.17 | erisna | sometimes im lucky ! |
| 00:02.24 | Neffi | But what he said is correct. There's no reason to use barebones hand made scripts over an addon. You are not getting better performance, probably worse. They're less powerful, provide no configuration. You save nothing. |
| 00:03.38 | erisna | i need a DR Tracker in game, a Trinket Tracker, move my portraits... and i don't want to install addons like : omnibar / moveanything / gladius / etc etc if i can replace them by only 12 lines of lua code |
| 00:04.00 | Neffi | For what it's worth some of the AJ macro-addons were written for the competition realms where you can't use addons. That's the only reason they have for existing. |
| 00:04.17 | erisna | yeah thats true |
| 00:04.28 | erisna | for wow tornament |
| 00:04.31 | Neffi | Why don't you want to install these addons? They won't harm your computer |
| 00:04.47 | Neffi | At least, not ones you get from WoWInterface or Curse |
| 00:05.37 | erisna | first because they have many features i don't use, (for example weak auras has a big database) second coz i don't know how is the code into, third coz when a new patch is coming we have to wait coders to update them |
| 00:06.04 | kd3 | points 2 and 3 you have to deal with now |
| 00:06.15 | Neffi | Your scripts could break in a patch too. The difference is, the people who write the addons know how to fix them, and you don't |
| 00:06.59 | erisna | if i only have 1 arg to change in only 12 lines of code, i think i could change it |
| 00:07.02 | Neffi | Also in my experience most of the common addons are ready and updated before major patches even hit |
| 00:07.08 | erisna | i mean... it won't be a hard work i guess |
| 00:07.11 | Neffi | Keep your addons up to date and you shouldnt have issues |
| 00:07.27 | erisna | yeah and for that |
| 00:07.32 | erisna | i need to install "curse client" |
| 00:07.33 | erisna | :/ |
| 00:07.36 | Neffi | so? |
| 00:07.43 | Neffi | (and, no you dont) |
| 00:07.46 | erisna | many things to install by this way |
| 00:07.52 | kd3 | or you can check once a week for addons you've favorited on the site and update them manually |
| 00:08.09 | kd3 | that's all I do, largely because the curse devs haven't gotten off their ass and written a client that works in wine |
| 00:08.13 | erisna | so i should check every weeks for any update |
| 00:08.18 | erisna | :s |
| 00:08.23 | kd3 | or once a patch cycle |
| 00:08.35 | kd3 | or whatever isn't too onerous |
| 00:08.37 | Neffi | check a week before the patch, and then again on patch day |
| 00:09.36 | erisna | i just want to be indepedant with a little code i can understand |
| 00:09.54 | erisna | addons have so many useless things into.. |
| 00:12.28 | erisna | if you're lua coders thats maybe to be free, we all know the bill gates story and why some linux distros appeared |
| 00:12.57 | erisna | so im sure you can understand my way |
| 00:13.45 | Neffi | I'm not sure how to respond to that, but I welcome you to learn Lua |
| 00:14.23 | erisna | i should read more about lua i agree |
| 00:14.25 | kd3 | yah, I have no idea where you were going with that either. lua isn't a hard language to learn, and if you're already talking about making changes on patches, you're most of the way there |
| 00:18.10 | erisna | another important thing is i really like defaut ui |
| 00:18.44 | Neffi | there's an abundance of great addons that do little more than add useful functionality to the default UI |
| 00:18.49 | Neffi | or are otherwise very simple in scope |
| 00:19.07 | Neffi | you don't need to do a wholesale replacement of the UI or use addons that have a million options and a daunting configuration dialog |
| 00:22.21 | erisna | how to explain... gladius addon for example! i can move it by mouse cliking on but i can't define a GladiusFrame(-10) for example |
| 00:22.39 | erisna | (-100,0) i meant |
| 00:23.15 | erisna | but yeah im bit maniac i know.. |
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| 00:26.25 | Simca | scripts are generally a bad idea, it's easy to make them into an addon - just put them into a file, name it MyAddon.lua (or whatever), make a .toc file and put it into a folder with the same name |
| 00:26.46 | erisna | yeah |
| 00:27.05 | erisna | thats what i did |
| 00:27.28 | erisna | but i put into some little addon/script like DRTracker standalone |
| 00:27.34 | Simca | yeah, i have 3-4 addons myself that exist nowhere else |
| 00:28.02 | erisna | actually i like some lines only to do ONE thing i need |
| 00:29.00 | erisna | and now, i just needed some lines to tracks 8 interrupts enemies cds |
| 00:29.22 | erisna | i really need that in arena as a warlock |
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| 00:32.35 | erisna | interruptbar script looks good about me coz its short and minimalist but its outdated... |
| 00:34.37 | Neffi | if you want to maintain your own scripts, now's the chance to figure out how updating them works |
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| 00:40.03 | erisna | http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/226546-interruptbar-script/ |
| 00:40.23 | erisna | apparently it already exists |
| 00:40.31 | erisna | but these are macros |
| 00:40.36 | erisna | not a lua script |
| 00:40.49 | erisna | i have to learn how to translate that as well |
| 00:55.08 | kd3 | macros that use /run are lua scripts |
| 01:05.12 | erisna | ye i tried it |
| 01:05.16 | erisna | didn't work |
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| 01:32.15 | kullervo | can someone make me a weak aura that checks if there's a warlock in the group? |
| 01:35.49 | Gnarfoz | for i, GetNumGroupMembers() do if select(2, UnitClass("raid"..i)) == "WARLOCK" then print("RUN FOR YOUR LIFE") end end? or somesuch |
| 01:37.11 | mckenziemc1 | spams Gnarfoz. |
| 01:37.26 | mckenziemc | it wasn't me |
| 01:37.41 | Gnarfoz | you would never do such a thing |
| 01:38.38 | mckenziemc | exactly! |
| 01:45.15 | kullervo | Gnarfoz: 'in' expected near '(' |
| 01:45.32 | kullervo | I cannot into programming |
| 01:46.48 | Gnarfoz | for i=1 |
| 01:48.00 | kullervo | alrigh that might work |
| 01:48.45 | kullervo | now I can flood the chat channels for summoning stones when appropriate |
| 01:49.26 | Gnarfoz | I hope you get into a group with 39 warlocks |
| 01:50.40 | kullervo | uh the logic checks for new players for the spam |
| 01:50.54 | kullervo | warlock check's just for avoiding unneccessary spam |
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| 01:52.04 | Gnarfoz | not sure what you mean, but you're clearly using it with more code than what I just wrote |
| 01:52.29 | kullervo | yeah I am, just didn't know how to do that particular thing |
| 01:52.42 | Gnarfoz | so you can into programming after all |
| 01:53.44 | kullervo | well... uh.. I admit nothing |
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| 03:02.26 | mckenziemc | admits kullervo to a penitentiary and hugs Cairenn. |
| 03:40.56 | Cairenn | hugs all the people. |
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| 03:51.23 | Fisker | hugs the Cairenn |
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| 06:40.48 | Simca | pop quiz |
| 06:41.00 | Simca | can email addresses have a subdomain name? |
| 06:41.13 | Simca | like simca@subdomain.mydomain.com |
| 06:41.24 | Simca | (this is not actually a pop quiz, I don't actually know the answer) |
| 06:41.32 | Maldivia | yes |
| 06:42.03 | Maldivia | of course |
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| 06:42.13 | Auro | yo |
| 06:42.27 | Auro | can I print the icon with string.format or print? |
| 06:42.57 | Simca | Maldivia: for some reason I had it in my head that only a normal domain name and top-level domain names were allowed in email addresses |
| 06:43.44 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 06:43.53 | Fisker | US hardware price check service go |
| 06:44.05 | Fisker | stumbles unto Cairenn and hugs Cairenn |
| 06:44.09 | Simca | Auro: print, yes. string.format, depends what you're outputting to. |
| 06:44.15 | Maldivia | Simca: look at almost any university emails -- @student.uni.edu @deparment.uni.edu etc |
| 06:44.55 | Auro | Simca: I'm trying to make a text WA printing out Spell Icon - Char Name - CD, multiple lines for different CDs |
| 06:45.26 | Simca | icons are parsed by the game automatically and displayed where appropriate |
| 06:46.07 | Simca | if you have it in the right format (and the |s are actually \124 and not "||") and it isn't being parsed, the game doesn't like where you're trying to put it. |
| 06:47.03 | Auro | Simca: Could you give me an example of what printing Spell Icon - Spell Name would look like? Path for cap totem is |
| 06:47.12 | Auro | "Interface\Icons\Spell_Nature_Brilliance" |
| 06:47.32 | Auro | or rather so a string.format |
| 06:48.42 | Maldivia | string.format("|T%s:0|t %s", icon, name) |
| 06:48.48 | Maldivia | somethingl ike that |
| 06:49.41 | Simca | yeah ^ |
| 06:50.29 | Auro | hmmm ok, i'm getting a green box right now but maybe it just doesn't like text WAs |
| 06:50.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:59.08 | Shirik | green box indicates your file doesn't exist |
| 06:59.24 | Shirik | did you forget to escape the backslashes in your filename? |
| 06:59.51 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:01.04 | Auro | Shirik: Yeah I did, how would I go about that? Sorry for the basic questions, i'm pretty new to lua |
| 07:01.16 | Shirik | change the \ to \\ |
| 07:01.40 | Auro | huzzah |
| 07:01.43 | Auro | thanks guys! |
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| 09:35.30 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:35.32 | Fisker | please us hardware site |
| 10:08.39 | Phixion | pls Fisker |
| 10:09.16 | Fisker | hey Phixion |
| 10:12.38 | Phixion | hey Fisker |
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| 12:23.32 | j311yf1sh | Anyone know if there's a api call for adding a "tweet" icon to the system message you create? |
| 12:24.41 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:04.00 | nex | Where does the animation actually happen ? I looked into Grid's source code and I cant find anything |
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| 17:10.31 | zenzelezz | this made me laugh too hard at work today... "Man walks into a zoo. Turns out it only has one animal: a dog. It's a shitzu" |
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| 20:47.12 | Shirik | how to know you're screwed: the police aren't just sitting outside your house, they're watching your twitter: https://twitter.com/FriscoPD/status/642928940198133760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw |
| 20:49.37 | Neffi | what did he do |
| 20:50.36 | Shirik | based on the replies it looks like it was some sort of drug bust |
| 21:00.57 | hizuro | greetings. who can change hidden host service? :) |
| 21:01.59 | kd3 | here on freenode? ask in #freenode |
| 21:02.46 | kd3 | or if you're trying to keep your WoWUIDev suffix, ask Cairenn |
| 21:02.57 | bshelden | hizuro: More detail here: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 21:03.33 | hizuro | cairenn... thanks. :) |
| 21:04.14 | hizuro | hmm... cairenn? :) |
| 21:04.36 | kd3 | she may be afk. /msg her |
| 21:10.59 | hizuro | oh. my last private chat with cairenn was 2014... :) |
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| 21:32.41 | bshelden | I think mine was on the topic of a wowui cloak back when I had the insane idea of writing a distributed filesystem in the wow UI |
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| 21:33.22 | Neffi | wat? O.O |
| 21:33.41 | bshelden | Oh yes. This was back before they gave us a calendar. We were struggling with raid scheduling. |
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| 21:33.59 | Neffi | so, how would that even work? |
| 21:33.59 | bshelden | So I had the insane idea to stick that stuff in a distributed filesystem in wow. |
| 21:34.26 | Neffi | so you can share information amongst the guild? |
| 21:34.29 | bshelden | Placing a calender event would create a file, and that file would be distributed to all other players (in the guild and having the mod) online |
| 21:34.44 | Neffi | didn't some people do forum software like this? |
| 21:34.47 | bshelden | Either web of trust or some basic async crypto to keep from forging things. |
| 21:35.08 | bshelden | I took lots of inspiration from Freenet |
| 21:35.21 | bshelden | I didn't need the crypto, but the distributed filesystem bit was useful |
| 21:35.27 | hizuro | hehehe xD |
| 21:35.38 | Neffi | this certainly is an insane idea ;) |
| 21:35.39 | Cairenn | hi? |
| 21:35.42 | Unkle1 | I think Shirik did something like this for a raid mod he worked on too. |
| 21:35.43 | bshelden | Hello |
| 21:35.47 | Cairenn | hizuro |
| 21:35.56 | bshelden | The calender killed the main app, so I abandoned the idea. A little sad about that. |
| 21:35.59 | hizuro | :) |
| 21:36.06 | Cairenn | You were looking for me? |
| 21:36.20 | hizuro | yes :) |
| 21:36.31 | Cairenn | What can I do you out of? |
| 21:36.36 | hizuro | see private chat ^ |
| 21:37.53 | Unkle1 | Cairenn: rawr baby, rawr. |
| 21:38.01 | Cairenn | purrs at Unkle1 |
| 21:41.50 | LexSfX | can i get the original return value(s) from a securely hooked function? if so, how? |
| 21:42.41 | LexSfX | i want to hook CreateFrame and get the frame reference it returns |
| 21:43.34 | nevcairiel | unfortunately you cannot |
| 21:44.25 | LexSfX | i want to run SetDrawBling(false) on every new cooldown frame created |
| 21:44.31 | LexSfX | is there a way you can think of to do that? |
| 21:45.02 | LexSfX | i've figured out how to set it for all the current cooldown frames that exist: |
| 21:45.03 | LexSfX | for k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(v)=="table" and type(v.SetDrawBling)=="function" then v:SetDrawBling(false) end end |
| 21:46.10 | nevcairiel | you could do it more evil and hook the Cooldown metatable, and call setdrawbling when the cooldown is started, and not w hen the frame is created |
| 21:47.02 | LexSfX | how do i ensure every newly-created frame is hooked then? |
| 21:47.29 | nevcairiel | All Cooldown-type frames share the same metatable |
| 21:47.36 | LexSfX | ohh |
| 21:47.49 | LexSfX | hmm, how do i hook the Cooldown metatable? |
| 21:48.12 | LexSfX | or even better, can i just SetDrawBling(false) once on that? |
| 21:48.18 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:48.44 | nevcairiel | 1) get the metatable from somewhere, like, getmetatable(CreateFrame("Cooldown")) |
| 21:49.09 | nevcairiel | 2) simply hook the SetCooldown function in the returned table (securely please) |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | 3) in thath ook call setdrawbling, and never see it again |
| 21:49.27 | LexSfX | nice |
| 21:49.37 | foxlit | with the full understanding that if you do this in an actual addon you ship to other people, |
| 21:49.44 | foxlit | someone will come after you with an axe. |
| 21:50.00 | LexSfX | well, here's the relevant thread: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18719278953 |
| 21:50.02 | nevcairiel | isnt that how most cooldown count addons add their numbers to the buttons |
| 21:50.21 | LexSfX | the "bling" is the stupid glare flash animation after the cooldown is ready |
| 21:50.32 | LexSfX | it happens after every gcd, and is not useful |
| 21:50.38 | LexSfX | i am Pantosophy in that thread |
| 21:50.58 | nevcairiel | the guy in the first post already had the right idea |
| 21:51.00 | foxlit | it's just that you don't understand that you kill that effect everywhere. |
| 21:51.02 | nevcairiel | he hooks the metatable and everything |
| 21:51.35 | nevcairiel | but the body of the hook function does the wrong thing |
| 21:51.36 | foxlit | not just on your action bars when reacting to GCD expiration, but EVERYWHERE. |
| 21:51.36 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 21:51.44 | LexSfX | i do understand. i want to kill the effect everywhere |
| 21:51.55 | LexSfX | i don't like that effect |
| 21:52.28 | nevcairiel | action button cooldowns are usually setup all beforehand anyway, so your loop would work |
| 21:52.35 | nevcairiel | not sure what else generates them dynamically |
| 21:52.53 | LexSfX | if i make a new action buttons using Ion, for example |
| 21:52.58 | LexSfX | Ion being an action bar addon |
| 21:53.22 | LexSfX | the rewrite of Macaroon, if you know that one |
| 21:54.59 | LexSfX | oh, btw, foxlit, if i made an addon for this, it would be called something like "CooldownReadyFlashDisabler" and the user would understand that it would kill the effect everywhere |
| 21:56.27 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:57.04 | foxlit | that's precisely the point: it may be used for other things, which neither you nor your unfortunate user has any clue about until they stop working. |
| 21:57.47 | LexSfX | other things like what? lol |
| 21:58.02 | Torhal | Exactly. You don't know. |
| 21:58.04 | LexSfX | what could it possibly be "used for" other than a visual effect upon the cooldown becoming ready? |
| 21:58.09 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:58.35 | LexSfX | if someone "uses" that effect to know when the cooldown is ready or something, they're insane |
| 21:59.09 | znf | dances with Torhal |
| 21:59.24 | Torhal | Nooooooooo. |
| 22:06.03 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 22:06.13 | znf | yes. |
| 22:06.43 | foxlit | calms Semlar down. |
| 22:06.51 | Semlar | no! NO! |
| 22:06.56 | foxlit | too late. |
| 22:06.59 | znf | :o |
| 22:08.13 | Semlar | heh, the code they quotes in that bnet post is from one of my posts |
| 22:08.55 | LexSfX | yeah! no credit given |
| 22:10.01 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14882018091#8 |
| 22:14.10 | LexSfX | it works: |
| 22:14.11 | LexSfX | hooksecurefunc(getmetatable(ActionButton1Cooldown).__index, 'SetCooldown', function(self) self:SetDrawBling(false) end) |
| 22:14.22 | LexSfX | thanks, nevcairiel and Semlar |
| 22:14.44 | Semlar | i'm almost positive i wrote something that removed the bling spin from cooldown textures when it was broken after patch 6.0ish |
| 22:14.53 | LexSfX | well, this one works now ^ |
| 22:15.16 | nevcairiel | the only thing broken in 6.0 cooldowns was that they didnt obey their alpha |
| 22:15.22 | nevcairiel | but they fixed that by now, so hooray |
| 22:15.36 | Semlar | there was that, and there was also the bling getting stuck shown |
| 22:15.43 | Semlar | which i think they've since fixed |
| 22:16.02 | Semlar | like the bling texture would just stay permanently visible if the cooldown got cut off early |
| 22:16.21 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23525-CooldownBlingFixer.html |
| 22:16.31 | nevcairiel | oh that, i only ever had that on my inventory for some reason |
| 22:16.36 | nevcairiel | but they fixed that as well |
| 22:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 22:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason flash taskbar seems like an addon that does stuff that it shouldn't be allowed to do, even if all it does is flash the taskbar in windows |
| 22:17.49 | Semlar | flashes Mr_Rabies |
| 22:17.59 | nevcairiel | blizzard added an official API for addons to make it flash |
| 22:18.03 | nevcairiel | nothing wrong going on |
| 22:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's kinda weird to see an addon actually have an effect on the OS at all, outside the addon environment |
| 22:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i know it's fine, it just feels weird seeing an addon actually affect stuff outside of wow |
| 22:21.52 | LexSfX | Semlar: cool addon. luckily, it's no longer necessary, but it does have some nice code in it :D |
| 22:23.13 | Semlar | yeah that sounds like one of my addons |
| 22:25.07 | Mr_Rabies | you're the rick sanchez of the addon world |
| 22:25.31 | Mr_Rabies | uh |
| 22:25.36 | Mr_Rabies | not the news guy |
| 22:25.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/6/6c/Rick%26Morty.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131212193615 |
| 22:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | this one |
| 22:26.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.52 | Semlar | this one? |
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