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| 02:05.57 | karl_w_w | okay, im getting high on something |
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| 02:45.47 | Iriel | Fiskers. |
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| 03:32.27 | Fisker | gets woken up and hugs Cairenn |
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| 03:33.22 | Fisker | :) |
| 03:33.35 | Fisker | I want to sleep :( |
| 03:44.04 | Iriel | Does something prevent sleepination? |
| 03:52.59 | Shirik | "Note: As of April 2015, Chrome no longer supports Java, if you are using Chrome, you may need to use an alternative browser..." |
| 03:53.01 | Shirik | No |
| 03:53.12 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:53.21 | Shirik | As of April 2015, you should have DEVELOPED A FUNCTIONAL WEBSITE |
| 04:08.51 | mckenziemc | what is this Shirik i don't even |
| 04:09.28 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
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| 04:10.43 | mckenziemc | i got very sweaty today |
| 04:10.47 | mckenziemc | but i just showered :D |
| 04:12.26 | mckenziemc | apparently my alternator is too weak and/or my car's wiring impedes its charging too much for it to handle AC + headlights, so it stalled in Oroville |
| 04:12.29 | mckenziemc | lots of fun... |
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| 04:37.22 | winny | someday java will be regarded as 'an interesting idea, but fell the way of cobol' |
| 04:39.06 | Iriel | Java in general, or Java in the browser? |
| 04:40.47 | winny | Java in general, well, except for android |
| 04:41.13 | Iriel | winny: You have an odd view of the technology landscape |
| 04:41.29 | winny | yeah, not a fan of java |
| 04:41.35 | Iriel | Unless the timeframes involved in "someway" are the far far distant future. |
| 04:41.43 | winny | yeah like 20+ years |
| 04:41.43 | Iriel | Not a fan due to lack of knowledge, or actual rational reason? |
| 04:42.00 | winny | mostly design principles and its main vendor |
| 04:42.28 | Iriel | Well, I can't argue with the vendor part. |
| 04:42.29 | winny | it seems to waste a lot of developer time |
| 04:42.41 | Shirik | java for user applications seems to be dying off, but it is still extremely active in the enterprise world |
| 04:42.51 | winny | as opposed to writing applications in a language that is more experssive |
| 04:43.06 | Iriel | like? |
| 04:43.09 | winny | jvm is really neoto though |
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| 04:43.49 | winny | one language that comes to mind is python, but there are endless others |
| 04:44.31 | Shirik | Python is a great language for generic applications |
| 04:44.42 | Shirik | it is woefully inadequate for professionally released software |
| 04:44.58 | winny | tbh i found it hard to write nice desktop apps in python |
| 04:45.02 | Shirik | I would be curious to know what you think of C++ |
| 04:45.14 | winny | not a big fan tbh |
| 04:45.20 | Shirik | that's not really what I was asking |
| 04:45.25 | winny | but i can't think of a stable alternative |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | what you think of it in, as Iriel calls it, the technology landscape |
| 04:46.27 | Shirik | scripting languages will never replace compiled languages |
| 04:46.32 | Shirik | they are both useful, and they both have their purpose |
| 04:46.32 | winny | its language and standard is so vast and complex I wonder how many people understand it to a very high degree of expertise |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | they very much compliment each other |
| 04:47.09 | Shirik | well the answer to that is pretty straightforward: I have used the phrase "C++ expert" in resumes as a red flag |
| 04:47.18 | winny | :-) |
| 04:47.21 | Shirik | most people who describe themselves as a C++ expert actually simply don't know how much they don't know |
| 04:47.34 | Shirik | that being said, there are a lot of people who know a very substantial amount |
| 04:47.35 | Iriel | We ask people to rate themselves at java from 1-10, it serves a similar purpose |
| 04:47.36 | winny | it's like that 'effect' |
| 04:47.44 | winny | oh man i'd be like a 2 |
| 04:47.44 | Iriel | Dunning Kruger (sp) |
| 04:47.49 | winny | yeah that thanks |
| 04:48.10 | winny | sure i've used java on a few projects, but there is a lot i couldn't tell you without refering to the docss |
| 04:48.49 | winny | maybe i'm just a hater of C++ and Java |
| 04:48.51 | winny | lol |
| 04:49.01 | winny | fond naysayer |
| 04:50.17 | Shirik | it's ok Iriel hates C++ too |
| 04:50.20 | Shirik | he's wrong, but he hates it anyway |
| 04:50.23 | Iriel | I so do not. |
| 04:50.27 | Shirik | ?! |
| 04:50.29 | winny | i mean, even today fortran enjoys use in the scientific community and i only use it for entertainment |
| 04:50.34 | Shirik | oh wait no it was emacs that made you evil |
| 04:50.36 | Shirik | that's right |
| 04:50.41 | winny | yay emacs |
| 04:50.49 | Iriel | Shirik: that's more like it. |
| 04:51.13 | Shirik | anyway |
| 04:51.17 | Iriel | I dont even hate javascript |
| 04:51.20 | Shirik | I'm one of the fools who thinks Ada is an amazing language |
| 04:51.27 | Iriel | though I dont exactly RESPECT javascript. |
| 04:51.27 | Shirik | so my opinion will never be respected |
| 04:51.35 | winny | i gotta say python list comprehensions make me sad after seening javascript ES6 |
| 04:51.43 | winny | (i still love python a lot) |
| 04:52.47 | Iriel | Ada's one of those languages i'd be interested in an excuse to learn, but otherwise a curiosity. |
| 04:52.56 | winny | i kinda have this understanding with my js code, it's nice and all, but it's so very limited by the community and vendors, so i kind of give it a break |
| 04:53.07 | Shirik | come to the safety critical world :) |
| 04:53.30 | winny | in a way js and scheme are similar, both leave a lot to be desired without vendor specific extensions |
| 04:53.37 | Iriel | Shirik: I'll pass, thanks.. I like making systems that dont screw up, but I try and avoid immediate death as a consequence. |
| 04:53.40 | Shirik | there's always https://jobs-insitu.icims.com/jobs/2580/sr.-software-engineer-4--embedded-networking---hood-river%2c-or/job |
| 04:53.40 | winny | or lots of filler code |
| 04:53.51 | Iriel | (The drug industry was close enough to that world for now) |
| 04:54.09 | Shirik | every so often I think it would be neat to work on cancer machines or pacemakers or something |
| 04:54.27 | winny | ada is an interesting lang |
| 04:54.45 | winny | language history is really neat in general imo |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | I don't consider Ada part of history yet |
| 04:55.26 | Iriel | You're reminding me I still haven't gotten down to the computer history museum yet despite over a decade in the vicinity. |
| 04:55.33 | Iriel | I need to fix that/ |
| 04:56.38 | Iriel | I quite enjoyed the history of computing course during my degree. I did a logic level simulation of an early computer. |
| 04:56.40 | Iriel | it was fun. |
| 04:56.56 | Iriel | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Small-Scale_Experimental_Machine) |
| 04:56.56 | winny | huh i kind of thought that every moment past is history, e.g. only the now isn't history yet |
| 04:57.04 | winny | whet studying history |
| 04:57.18 | winny | but i've never taken a college level history class lol |
| 04:57.44 | Iriel | My professor was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Campbell-Kelly, he's written a bunch of books on the history of computing. |
| 04:58.38 | Iriel | I spotted one of his books on the shelves in the lobby of Andreesen Horowitz |
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| 04:58.53 | Iriel | (their lobby is extremely well stocked, I could spend some time reading its contents) |
| 04:59.28 | winny | that's cool learning under a published prof |
| 04:59.49 | winny | tbh i find history of computing crazy neato |
| 05:00.28 | Iriel | If you haven't ever read it, you may enjoy http://www.amazon.com/The-Soul-A-New-Machine/dp/0316491977 |
| 05:00.55 | winny | i started reading that but it felt like i was missig out, like it was telling a story about DEC but wasn't DEC |
| 05:01.03 | winny | but it's a good book |
| 05:01.05 | winny | i should finish it |
| 05:04.36 | Iriel | I should walk the dog and go to bed. |
| 05:06.15 | Iriel | Behold a dog and drought-destroyed lawn: https://goo.gl/photos/JDY4jsFPJqWz7zUc9 |
| 05:09.47 | Iriel | sleeps |
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| 15:42.14 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2015-09-12_18-42-04.jpg |
| 15:42.16 | kullervo | thanks Blizz |
| 15:42.19 | kullervo | really helpful |
| 15:52.07 | Stanzilla | your fonts look very aliased |
| 15:52.33 | nevcairiel | its probably wine, which is the reason for his breakdown :p |
| 15:55.47 | kullervo | Stanzilla: I like it that way |
| 15:55.52 | Fisker | It's still terrible they don't have the right fonts for their stupid table flip box nevcairiel |
| 15:55.58 | Stanzilla | kullervo: get better eyes then, I guess :D |
| 15:56.43 | kullervo | Stanzilla: no really, I always turn the cleartype crap off. It's terrible |
| 15:57.34 | Fisker | wow |
| 15:57.36 | Fisker | wooooooooow |
| 15:58.21 | kullervo | and I actually don't use wine, this is a win7 build ._. |
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| 16:48.37 | zenzelezz | heh, top comment on Steam for "Sakura Swim Club"... "Fun and easy game, beat it with one hand. 1/10" |
| 16:48.41 | zenzelezz | *10/10 |
| 16:48.56 | zenzelezz | do have to wonder how well those games sell |
| 16:49.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 16:49.53 | Dagmar | I'd say it's because so many japanese kids are raised to fap to manga |
| 16:50.20 | Dagmar | Cultural differences, yo. |
| 16:52.32 | zenzelezz | and let's face it, there are enough impressionable guys in the western world too |
| 16:52.38 | zenzelezz | now where's my credit card |
| 16:57.59 | zenzelezz | "AKIBA's TRIP: Undead & Undressed"... did I do something weird to Steam while drunk for it to start giving me these suggestions? o_O |
| 17:00.43 | Iriel | It does that to me too, and i can't think of anything in my steam history that warrants it in particular. |
| 17:01.05 | Iriel | They just have good ratings, IIRC, so its trying to be helpful |
| 17:02.18 | zenzelezz | the screenshots remind me of back in ninth grade, when someone discovered "True Love" (a game) |
| 17:04.53 | Dagmar | I like how ya'll just assume you got up to some weird s**t while you were drinking |
| 17:05.04 | Dagmar | That's kinda 'core. :) |
| 17:06.08 | zenzelezz | wouldn't be the first time ;-) |
| 17:13.59 | zenzelezz | hm, Steam (the store part) seems to be working rather slowly/poorly for me at the moment |
| 17:14.30 | zenzelezz | like ending up with a completely black content area, where the normal web content would be |
| 17:15.40 | zenzelezz | apparently the website too o_O |
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| 18:07.40 | mckenziemc | Damned's skull was crushed by Poison Spit. |
| 18:07.44 | mckenziemc | :o |
| 19:13.40 | kd3 | wow, crap framerate on the arena tourney |
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| 19:38.36 | kullervo | every time I enter the pandaria portal, I accidentally click the return portal because my camera is inside it |
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| 20:11.23 | zenzelezz | kullervo: that's your subconscious trying to help you |
| 20:13.45 | kullervo | but I liked that expansion |
| 21:09.54 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_091315_000936.jpg |
| 21:10.02 | kullervo | notice anything odd? |
| 21:10.09 | kullervo | in b4 "you're in a pandaria instance" |
| 21:11.30 | nevcairiel | wrong boss flagged as killed? |
| 21:12.53 | nevcairiel | hm or more appropriately, the bosses appear to be in a weird order |
| 21:12.56 | kullervo | correct one, they're just misordered for some reason |
| 21:12.59 | kullervo | but that's not the thing |
| 21:13.19 | kullervo | fps display is empty |
| 21:15.58 | kullervo | wow cannot into gsync |
| 21:16.22 | nevcairiel | works fine for me in gsync, but i dont use the built-in fps display, i have a broker thing for that |
| 21:18.45 | kullervo | used to work for me as well |
| 21:19.08 | nevcairiel | will probably return soon :p |
| 21:19.17 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, i wanted to continue my hunt for toys |
| 21:19.29 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/WoWScrnShot_091315_001925.jpg |
| 21:19.35 | kullervo | most exciting part of this encounter |
| 21:19.35 | kullervo | totally |
| 21:27.43 | kd3 | geez, this match has been horrendous |
| 21:27.49 | kd3 | now a power outage in a player room? |
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