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| 00:40.12 | mckenziemc | stabarande. |
| 00:47.06 | foxlit | mckenziemc: http://pastebin.com/6u8GD7LP |
| 00:49.11 | mckenziemc | thanks |
| 00:51.16 | Torhal | ~d3alert |
| 00:51.16 | purl | http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 00:51.31 | mckenziemc | ~Torhalert |
| 00:51.44 | Torhal | ~mckenziemcadvert |
| 00:51.52 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 02:07.09 | fewyn | yay i broke 100k gold on my new account |
| 02:07.28 | fewyn | now if only this 1m gold worth of auctions would sell |
| 02:09.07 | mckenziemc | bans fewyn first. |
| 02:18.05 | Amarande | ... at which point fewyn forgets to spend some of it before letting postal auto-open all his mail and half a million gold disappears into the ether |
| 02:21.23 | mckenziemc | stibby stabby stabarande. |
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| 02:49.34 | karl_w_w | fewyn running a gold laundering operation |
| 02:50.10 | mckenziemc | that reminds me, i should do some laundry :D |
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| 02:58.09 | Dagmar | Filthy filthy money |
| 03:13.52 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: i went to the ER, got xrays and was given muscle relaxer and antiinflammatory |
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| 03:14.01 | Cairenn | Good |
| 03:14.02 | Cairenn | Glad |
| 03:14.06 | Cairenn | you are okay |
| 03:14.29 | Cairenn | Anything more serious than seatbelt bruising? |
| 03:14.32 | Arrowmaster | already looking at new cars for if they declare mine totaled, i found one with a sunroof and heated driver seat |
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| 03:14.47 | Arrowmaster | my upper left arm, think i hit it on the door |
| 03:14.49 | Fisker | hey Iriel |
| 03:15.12 | Iriel | Hi Fisker |
| 03:15.21 | Cairenn | Broken, shoulder separated, or just bruised/pulled? |
| 03:15.26 | Fisker | sleephugs Cairenn |
| 03:15.35 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 03:15.47 | mckenziemc | puts Fisker to sleep, permanently. |
| 03:16.23 | Arrowmaster | bruised/pulled |
| 03:16.35 | Arrowmaster | they xrayed it and stuff |
| 03:16.59 | Cairenn | How bad is the whiplash? |
| 03:17.17 | Arrowmaster | not too bad |
| 03:17.45 | Arrowmaster | didnt really notice much other than sore neck/back that i usually have |
| 03:17.49 | Cairenn | And, seriously, if anything starts hurting, please go back. It's been 25 years since my accident and I'm still in pain from it, will be for the rest of my life |
| 03:18.10 | Cairenn | Don't just brush it off |
| 03:18.10 | Arrowmaster | i will |
| 03:19.55 | Cairenn | Ditto headache, nausea, etc |
| 03:20.38 | Arrowmaster | me want http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/2014-Mazda-Mazda3-11707369.html |
| 03:20.58 | Cairenn | purty |
| 03:21.38 | Arrowmaster | although it says tinted windows and they dont look as tented as mine |
| 03:22.15 | kd3 | I quite like my Mazda 3, though I have an 06 |
| 03:22.22 | kd3 | and it got hit-and-run yesterday >.< |
| 03:23.01 | Arrowmaster | did you see my pics |
| 03:23.06 | kd3 | I did, yah |
| 03:23.10 | kd3 | good to hear you're in one piece |
| 03:23.19 | Arrowmaster | im seriously doubting its going to not be totalled |
| 03:23.57 | Arrowmaster | at least the day turned out much better for dinner |
| 03:24.18 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 03:24.30 | Arrowmaster | got a date |
| 03:25.18 | Arrowmaster | "Its been a hell of a day. I feel like a mess and probably look like a mess. So would you like to get dinner?" "Haha. Sure. You make the offer irresistible." |
| 03:25.21 | Arrowmaster | totally worked |
| 03:25.45 | Cairenn | kd3: you were in an accident yesterday? Are you okay? |
| 03:30.54 | kd3 | nah, my car got hit. I was in a restaurant at the time |
| 03:31.02 | kd3 | didn't even notice til I came back out |
| 03:31.19 | Cairenn | Ah. Well, glad you weren't involved, but bleh, sorry to hear about your car. |
| 03:32.15 | karl_w_w | not to worry |
| 03:32.23 | karl_w_w | self-driving cars are in our future |
| 03:32.40 | karl_w_w | soon we will be out of this crazy bumper-car world |
| 03:32.50 | kd3 | sucks. was considering selling it and getting something a little smaller (now that I live in a city), but gotta deal with getting it fixed first. at least it's only cosmetic |
| 03:33.09 | Cairenn | That's good then |
| 03:33.53 | Iriel | karl_w_w: "Soon" is a bit optimistic |
| 03:34.18 | mckenziemc | an oncoming SUV drifted toward me on a 55 mph road last week :( |
| 03:34.37 | mckenziemc | touched and may have crossed the centerline, then corrected |
| 03:34.42 | karl_w_w | no it's not Iriel, it just depends on the time scale used :P |
| 03:35.14 | mckenziemc | heading away from the college, there's not much question of what the cause was... |
| 03:35.46 | karl_w_w | careless driving caused by the elation of driving away from a college? |
| 03:36.33 | Amarande | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNeGwTwUso <-- #wowuidev on the road |
| 03:37.00 | Arrowmaster | kd3: rental place gave me this "thing" that barely qualifies as a car, i want my 3 back |
| 03:37.07 | Arrowmaster | i mean its fucking tiny |
| 03:37.15 | Arrowmaster | nissan versa i think |
| 03:37.43 | mckenziemc | you are going to die soon karl_w_w |
| 03:37.50 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: so what happened, anyway? |
| 03:37.52 | karl_w_w | correct |
| 03:37.57 | mckenziemc | hopefully not by a distracted driver though |
| 03:40.11 | Arrowmaster | traffic congestion, everybody started braking, got hit from behind and thrown into car infront |
| 03:40.21 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 03:40.28 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 03:40.32 | mckenziemc | city traffic? |
| 03:40.38 | Arrowmaster | highway |
| 03:40.41 | Cairenn | So guy behind wasn't paying attention and was tailgating. That sucks. |
| 03:41.37 | Arrowmaster | i got sighted for hitting the car infront because i said i wasnt sure what hit first but im contesting it now that my memory of it is coming back and i believe i got hit from behind first |
| 03:41.50 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 03:42.07 | Arrowmaster | that and any more points on my license would be trouble |
| 03:42.36 | Arrowmaster | have to make it to september for another speeding ticket to drop off my record |
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| 04:33.26 | Dagmar | A novel concept |
| 04:34.07 | mckenziemc | speedily disposes of Dagmar. |
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| 04:43.02 | Mr_Rabies | blehhhh |
| 04:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | damn you konami |
| 04:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | for not letting me preload phantom pain |
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| 05:51.57 | mckenziemc | "Thank you for choosing No-IP, let us know how we are doing" well uh, my subdomain works and uh, yeah |
| 06:03.51 | Dagmar | Ask them how they feel about hosting video in TXT records. |
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| 06:39.53 | VIad | Dagmar: can you? base64 would get quite long, loads of txt records |
| 06:43.24 | Dagmar | THat's the point |
| 06:43.51 | Dagmar | Free nameservice people would never, ever say yes to that |
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| 07:53.08 | gre | hello |
| 07:54.27 | gre | i made a little script to display an icon (an aura) at middle of my screen, but im not a lua coder at all actually, my code works well, but id like to know if there is something wrong in the code, can you help? thx http://pastebin.com/VyWPNu41 |
| 07:56.25 | gre | can you give a look at it please? |
| 07:58.15 | Mr_Rabies | pretty slow in here tonight |
| 07:58.28 | gre | its 10am here :s |
| 07:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | ah, 4am here |
| 07:58.43 | gre | you're an us guy then ;) |
| 07:59.04 | Mr_Rabies | yup, east coast at that |
| 08:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | as someone who can't code i can say that definitely certainly looks like lua |
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| 08:02.36 | gre | lol ty |
| 08:02.54 | gre | yeah but i need to be sure there is no mistake into |
| 08:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | hehe |
| 08:04.01 | Mr_Rabies | i just randomly got inspired to update an abandoned addon before i remembered i can't code anything more advanced than a mirc script or batch script :v |
| 08:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | it was an addon that added the reputation you get from a quest to the reward section of the quest accept dialog |
| 08:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | honestly surprised that no one has updated it or wrote a new one for the WoD quest log |
| 08:09.58 | Kesava | guillotine isn't in here |
| 08:09.59 | Kesava | that bastard |
| 08:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | (or that it's still not in the base ui) |
| 08:10.12 | mitch0 | teh internets is broken :( |
| 08:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | mine's not broken yet but i still have like 13GB to download before i can play Phantom Pain |
| 08:10.52 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully it doesn't break by then :< |
| 08:11.34 | Gnarfoz | ~seen guillotine |
| 08:11.36 | purl | guillotine <d8940048@WoWUIDev/Blizzard/Guillotine> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 25d 7h 27m 25s ago, saying: 'But using SetFormattedText is still better if you don't need to save the string anyway :)'. |
| 08:11.54 | Kesava | bah |
| 08:17.45 | Kesava | see what they've done right |
| 08:17.54 | Kesava | is removed the way that nameplates get health information |
| 08:17.58 | Kesava | all we have now is 0 or 1. |
| 08:18.00 | Kesava | brilliant |
| 08:18.23 | Gnarfoz | in 6.2.2 or what? |
| 08:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | oh jeez |
| 08:18.39 | Kesava | yes |
| 08:18.53 | Mr_Rabies | any other changes in 6.2.2 to ui stuff? |
| 08:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | interested to see what's gonna break tomorrow |
| 08:23.01 | Kesava | apart from this wierd nameplate stuff |
| 08:23.17 | Kesava | tidyplates is broken so that'll be fun for everyone who uses that |
| 08:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | wonder why they did it |
| 08:35.42 | VIad | Kesava: hp 0-1 what? |
| 08:35.55 | Kesava | and between |
| 08:35.56 | VIad | you can still read the % from the bar right? |
| 08:35.58 | Kesava | yes |
| 08:36.06 | Kesava | but no more exact values |
| 08:36.07 | VIad | hasnt it always been like that? % |
| 08:36.10 | Kesava | nope |
| 08:36.12 | VIad | ah I see |
| 08:36.22 | VIad | interesting change idd |
| 08:36.25 | VIad | wonder why |
| 08:36.30 | Kesava | indeed |
| 08:36.45 | Kesava | i suspect it was maybe an oversight, they also added names to nameplate regions this patch |
| 08:36.47 | Kesava | (for some reason) |
| 08:37.02 | Kesava | so like "code cleanup! i'll just make this use decimals instead" |
| 08:37.03 | VIad | I wish someone would infiltrate blizz and add a new unit type called nameplate# where # is the ID of the nameplate and tada, we can use all the Unit APIs! |
| 08:37.07 | Kesava | [breaks everything] |
| 08:37.27 | Kesava | yees |
| 08:37.53 | nevcairiel | nameplates are too volatile, as you move around the units would come and go, it would be madness |
| 08:37.55 | VIad | everyone hates that suggestion because somehow it can be exploited to make the game too easy or something |
| 08:38.15 | VIad | its just so you could at least render the nameplate right with proper info, more flexible |
| 08:38.44 | VIad | like just hiding the default one and drawing your own with what ever you want - one nice thing would be drawing the buff/debuff icons on top for pvp :) |
| 08:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | i swapped to tidyplates at some point but the default ui got some nameplate updates and i eventually swapped back |
| 08:38.58 | Kesava | DBM's doing crazy stuff right now despite all the limitations they put on it with that other addon in wrath |
| 08:39.03 | Kesava | so that is not valid |
| 08:39.38 | VIad | I like the effort and all but sadly it renders odd since it doesn't consider your camera pitch |
| 08:39.48 | Kesava | idd |
| 08:40.13 | VIad | would be nice if we could, in dbm options, specify our prefered angle |
| 08:40.21 | VIad | since people play with various "default" angles |
| 08:40.31 | VIad | also depends on the boss(room layout) |
| 08:40.46 | Mr_Rabies | my angle moves around a ton |
| 08:41.10 | VIad | atm default angle is 90 (from above straight down) and its too much. usually I am around 60-70 |
| 08:41.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'm constantly spinning my camera around all over during boss fights |
| 08:46.18 | VIad | so they added names to the objects. well I guess thats nice in a way. |
| 08:46.35 | VIad | still wasnt a huge issue, and wish they had done more love to us :( |
| 08:46.59 | VIad | before you could analyze actual hp values and decide how to dps based on that, now you can't. |
| 08:47.16 | VIad | for instance making some nameplates barely visible if its something you aoe anyway |
| 08:47.26 | VIad | max hp 50k you say? thats one barrage! |
| 08:47.37 | Kesava | indeed |
| 08:48.53 | VIad | patch tomorrow AND new week so going to be joining a laggy archimonde raid! |
| 08:49.08 | VIad | last month archimonde raids on wednesdays have been lagging server side, a lot |
| 08:49.20 | VIad | embarasing if you ask me |
| 08:58.16 | nevcairiel | we always raid on wednesdays and never noticed anything |
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| 09:07.12 | Gnarfoz | same, been raiding on patch day for years, I think we had... one? episode |
| 09:07.24 | Gnarfoz | but the entire realm was down then, so... |
| 09:07.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 09:07.36 | VIad | my realms are auchindoun/dunemaul/jaednar |
| 09:07.45 | VIad | dunno if instance servers share that or not |
| 09:07.49 | VIad | also always doing it 30 man |
| 09:08.18 | VIad | and it is experienced by everyone in my groups. lag always settles a bit on thursdays. |
| 09:11.31 | Kesava | US? |
| 09:11.47 | Kesava | because if so, of course you get lag |
| 09:11.51 | Kesava | you're on the US realms |
| 09:11.54 | Gnarfoz | I think he's Norse, so, EU |
| 09:12.03 | Kesava | i see |
| 09:12.18 | Kesava | oh, auch-eu is really high pop though so that's probably that |
| 09:12.28 | Kesava | ... for some reason they keep merging it, too |
| 09:12.30 | Gnarfoz | it is? why is it a connected realm, then Oo |
| 09:12.33 | Gnarfoz | yeh |
| 09:12.34 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 09:12.35 | Kesava | yeah, dunno |
| 09:12.47 | Kesava | well, it's high ally pop. almost exclusively, basically no horde |
| 09:12.52 | Kesava | they keep merging low horde realms |
| 09:13.15 | Gnarfoz | holy crap, Outland is huge (supposedly, according to realmpop) |
| 09:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | god we need another merge |
| 09:13.22 | Kesava | (i used to be horde-auch. it was terrible) |
| 09:13.44 | Mr_Rabies | we merged with one other server and we're basically dead at this point |
| 09:14.12 | Mr_Rabies | recruiting raiders is next to impossible, and we're the #6 guild on the server |
| 09:19.36 | Mr_Rabies | we just lost our raid leader, too, which is just great |
| 09:22.46 | Mr_Rabies | strongly considering unsubbing until legion but i dunno, guess we'll see |
| 09:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | i hope they get some new server tech for legion |
| 09:30.30 | Mr_Rabies | making more use of the dynamic, distributed phasing added in 6.2 |
| 09:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | and merging the realms into a handful of megarealms |
| 09:36.35 | nevcairiel | megarealms suck |
| 09:37.34 | Mr_Rabies | dead realms suck a lot, lot more |
| 09:38.31 | nevcairiel | if realms are dead then they will connect them to others like they have done in the past, but flat-out merging everything into mega realms would be a huge mistake |
| 09:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | unless they do that they need to make guilds cross-realm between any realms and also let you join multiple guilds |
| 09:40.37 | nevcairiel | multiple guilds will never happen |
| 09:40.42 | Mr_Rabies | because the game is dying, and every person that leaves a dead realm makes it more likely for another person to leave it |
| 09:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | or just make realm xfers free and let the problem sort itself out, then close all realms under a certain population |
| 09:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | forcing an xfer for those with chars on closed realms |
| 09:42.42 | nevcairiel | since they can connect now, they will never close a realm |
| 09:42.49 | nevcairiel | it'll just get connected |
| 09:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't connected realms in over a year, as far as i know |
| 09:43.11 | nevcairiel | way too much drama to close a realm |
| 09:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | eh, doing what tehy're doing now is causing the game to die, there need to be drastic measures to keep people playing |
| 09:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | the game's got about one expansion to pull out of this nosedive until there's a mass exodus |
| 09:44.48 | nevcairiel | you should go to the mmo-c forums, there is thousands of people that think the game died 10 years ago =p |
| 09:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | hell, there already has been a mass exodus |
| 09:45.21 | Mr_Rabies | they lost 44% of their sub base this expansion, counting token users as subscribers |
| 09:45.31 | nevcairiel | no they did not |
| 09:45.56 | cohii | wildstar is a dying game, wow has millions of subscribers. it's doing fine. |
| 09:46.05 | nevcairiel | comparing end-of-mop to end-of-wod (which is now), the drop isn't that huge |
| 09:46.24 | nevcairiel | people like to call it huge, because there was a huge spike of returning players for WoD |
| 09:46.39 | nevcairiel | .. which then left again |
| 09:46.57 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but the massive boost for WoD meant people were interested, then the game failed to offer anything interesting for just as many people as who joined |
| 09:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's a very, very bad sign for the game |
| 09:47.11 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 09:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | this expansion hit "i'll unsub until the next expansion" way, way faster than any to date |
| 09:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | for more people than ever |
| 09:47.37 | cohii | wow still has over 4 million subs. other MMOs wish they had 1/20 that, it's doing fine |
| 09:47.58 | Mr_Rabies | wow made the mistake of opening so many damned realms in tbc and wrath |
| 09:48.27 | cohii | sounds like you're just picking reasons to put wow down at out a hat now lol |
| 09:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | addiction is the only thing keeping most people subbed at this point, there's practically no content left, no players left |
| 09:49.03 | cohii | you're entitled to your opinion, but the data is not on your side |
| 09:49.06 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps legion will be good, i hope it is, but the writing is on the wall if they don't |
| 09:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:49.13 | Mr_Rabies | if it isn't |
| 09:49.21 | nevcairiel | you shouldnt write on your walls |
| 09:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | two failed expansions in a row will probably force them to go free to play, which is a deathknell |
| 09:50.04 | cohii | f2p has been a pretty succesful business model for a lot of companies |
| 09:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | not in the mmo front, really |
| 09:50.24 | cohii | case: blizzard has two f2p online games right now that are thriving |
| 09:50.31 | cohii | swtor is going pretty good, it's f2p |
| 09:50.41 | cohii | GW2 just made the base game free with restrictions |
| 09:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | i suspect most mmos that are free to play are cooking the books to keep the lights on |
| 09:50.53 | nevcairiel | people hated mop when it was the current content, today people say "mop was good" .. i wouldnt judge too much what the internet says =p |
| 09:50.57 | cohii | just a shift in how consumers want to purchase their products |
| 09:51.17 | cohii | F2P is just our purchasing standard for software in the 2010s |
| 09:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | i hated mop at launch, but by 5.2 it was pretty much the peak game |
| 09:51.36 | Mr_Rabies | i don't purchase f2p games, i play them until i get bored and don't drop a dime |
| 09:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | i try to wring as much money out of the publisher as i can in the process, though |
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| 09:53.09 | cohii | they're not losing much money by your copy of the game running a script on their server to give you more gems and sync your game every few hours |
| 09:53.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but you do what you can |
| 09:54.20 | cohii | why? lmao seems pedantic |
| 09:54.44 | Mr_Rabies | spread the gospel of free means free, play the game until you hate it then say how much it sucks and it's not worth playing once you get bored, hopefully kill the trend of f2p |
| 09:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | or kill the studio for resorting to such anti-consumer practices, either or |
| 09:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | or have a net zero effect and slowly grow to hate humanity |
| 09:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i've been doing lately |
| 09:55.57 | nevcairiel | you played a game for free for hours, presumably had fun while doing it, and thats anti-consumer how? =P |
| 09:56.12 | cohii | okie doke duderino lol keep on sticking it to the man |
| 09:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | because i'd rather just buy a game for money and enjoy it without stupid grinding mechanics implemented to wring money out of people |
| 09:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | free to play is only successful if it actively punishes the userbase for not paying way more than the content is worth |
| 09:57.00 | cohii | untrue, legion of legends makes a bajillion dollars |
| 09:57.19 | cohii | and they're almost entirely selling costumes of your character as a bear or something |
| 09:57.21 | Mr_Rabies | league of legends is horribly anti-consumer |
| 09:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | how much does it cost to actually buy all the champions? |
| 09:57.34 | cohii | what? then how is it the most popular game in the world? |
| 09:57.44 | cohii | heavens forbid someone pays for a product |
| 09:57.47 | Mr_Rabies | because it's free |
| 09:57.53 | cohii | yea, it is free |
| 09:57.58 | cohii | but you can speed things up for money |
| 09:58.15 | cohii | it's entirely optional and not required to play the game to same level as anyone ele |
| 09:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | not really, since LoL makes you buy champs if you want to actually use them on your terms |
| 09:58.48 | cohii | What? You can buy them with the currency earned from playing games. |
| 09:58.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather just pay $30-50 for the whole game |
| 09:59.00 | cohii | That' |
| 09:59.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it's insanely grindy and terrible |
| 09:59.14 | cohii | That's fine. You can spend $30-50 on one of their character bundles. |
| 09:59.20 | cohii | Ta-da, a game. |
| 09:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | how many champions does that give you? |
| 09:59.30 | Mr_Rabies | if it's not all of them, then it's a ripoff |
| 09:59.43 | Mr_Rabies | (also mobas are terrible) |
| 10:00.13 | cohii | i dunno, i just feel like you're a) playing devil's advocate, b) just like to complain, and c) are mad because something you want isn't free |
| 10:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | the only one i've really enjoyed has been heroes of the storm and it has the same awful business model as LoL so i don't play it either |
| 10:01.17 | Mr_Rabies | i just think LoL would be a much better game if you got all the champions and there was no awful grinding mechanic for a flat fee |
| 10:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | even if it was $50, it would be better than the free* game that exists now |
| 10:01.47 | cohii | for real. you're complaining that the people who make league of legends aren't giving you a product they spent time and money developiong for free? |
| 10:02.09 | Mr_Rabies | no, i'm complaining they're selling a video game for like $150 or more |
| 10:02.13 | cohii | No |
| 10:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | and saying it's "free" |
| 10:02.20 | cohii | They're selling the option to get the characters faster. |
| 10:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | because you can play the game like a job to get table scraps |
| 10:02.55 | cohii | It's like when you go to a theme park like Disneyland. You have to wait in line like everyone else. But some people can afford the Fast-Passes they sell that let you skip ahead to the front of the line. |
| 10:03.00 | Mr_Rabies | i hate the free to play business model with a passion and basically just abuse the fact that it's free to play it until the grind gets so bad that i hate it |
| 10:03.22 | nevcairiel | just play dota2 if you dont like the lol model, everything free, shop only has comsetics, and still sells millions |
| 10:03.34 | nevcairiel | cosmetics* |
| 10:03.47 | Kesava | MysticalOS: :D |
| 10:03.52 | cohii | for real you're mad they gave you a FREE video game and expected you to pay to make your STILL FREE PRODUCT better? |
| 10:04.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm mad because the only way to make a free to play game is to scam folks |
| 10:04.27 | Mr_Rabies | unless you want to fold fast |
| 10:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | like countless others with pro-consumer business models |
| 10:05.09 | cohii | an optional product you can earn through gameplay (without spending any money) is not a scam |
| 10:05.10 | cohii | lol |
| 10:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | if that gameplay sucks unless you're dropping cash, then yes it is |
| 10:05.37 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt |
| 10:05.38 | cohii | yea, the gameplay doesn't change |
| 10:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | it absolutely does |
| 10:06.06 | cohii | same game, no restrictions. everyone has the ability to earn every character at the exact same rate. you just have the option to pay to unlock them. |
| 10:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i'm the weird one for wanting to buy a game instead of grind it out for eternity before i get the whole game |
| 10:06.56 | cohii | i mean just go buy a -different- game, then |
| 10:07.01 | Mr_Rabies | i do |
| 10:07.10 | cohii | it's like protesting a bagel store because you prefer english muffins |
| 10:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | what if the bagel store said |
| 10:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | HEY OUR BAGELS ARE FREE |
| 10:07.47 | cohii | okay |
| 10:07.48 | cohii | and? |
| 10:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | and then you go there and they're pulling them out of the dumpster and handing the free ones out, and you have to sweep the floors for a month before you get the dumpster bagel |
| 10:08.06 | VIad | what is going on with these analogies? :p |
| 10:08.14 | nevcairiel | then noone would do it, and thats that |
| 10:08.22 | nevcairiel | but apparently people play LoL |
| 10:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | but people do |
| 10:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | all the time |
| 10:08.30 | cohii | it's more like they're giving away ONE free plain bage and give you the option to buy a blueberry one, or a poppyseed one. and you can come back in a few days for a new bagel, too. |
| 10:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | because they're idiots |
| 10:08.50 | nevcairiel | ´from the last hour, there is only one idiot here :D |
| 10:08.53 | Kesava | i mean i think it's more likely that they do it because they enjoy the game |
| 10:09.14 | Mr_Rabies | i just play the free game and since i can't just buy the game for a sane price, evaluate it based on the free experience |
| 10:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | (which always sucks) |
| 10:09.21 | cohii | dayum, nevcairiel with the ice burn |
| 10:09.28 | Kesava | heroes is gud |
| 10:09.29 | Kesava | airmech is gud |
| 10:09.32 | VIad | dota is free and only things you buy are cosmetics and it doesn't require any money to unlock heroes so thats nice. also each game start at level 1 no inherited perks from your "account level" or what ever |
| 10:09.35 | Kesava | tf2 is gud |
| 10:09.42 | Kesava | dota fucking sucks |
| 10:09.43 | Kesava | etc |
| 10:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | heroes is a lot of fun but the business model makes me totally disinterested to even play it at all |
| 10:09.58 | cohii | what? not getting something handed to you for free? |
| 10:10.05 | cohii | which they are also ACTUALLY DOING |
| 10:10.12 | nevcairiel | i assume LoL has a similar free heroes rotation so you can try them out? |
| 10:10.15 | VIad | lol and hots follow the same model right - pay to get heroes |
| 10:10.18 | cohii | yea |
| 10:10.18 | nevcairiel | never really played it much |
| 10:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | if it had dota's business model, it'd be better |
| 10:10.21 | Gnarfoz | why would I give a damn about a business model if the game is fun |
| 10:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | but still |
| 10:10.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather just like |
| 10:10.41 | Mr_Rabies | buy HoTs for $50 and get all the new heroes for free as they come out |
| 10:10.41 | VIad | you can't deny in lol/hots :p |
| 10:10.46 | cohii | okay Mr_Rabies how about you go make a MOBA game with about 20 unique characters and release it for $50 |
| 10:10.52 | Mr_Rabies | but that's not an option, so |
| 10:10.57 | cohii | and then be expected to release every new piece of content forever for free |
| 10:11.00 | VIad | heroes of newerth had a model like that |
| 10:11.08 | VIad | originally it cost 30$ and that was it |
| 10:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't play it, and instead air my grievances about it |
| 10:11.19 | VIad | but they eventually went to a free game with ingame store and such |
| 10:11.29 | Kesava | a moba did this (i'm sure plenty did), demigod |
| 10:11.34 | Kesava | it failed and is really obscure |
| 10:11.39 | Mr_Rabies | demigod way so ahead of its time |
| 10:11.43 | Mr_Rabies | was* |
| 10:11.46 | karl_w_w | demigod was also pretty bad |
| 10:11.52 | cohii | oh man i played that game |
| 10:11.54 | cohii | it -was- really bad |
| 10:11.55 | nevcairiel | VIad: thats because its not a sustainable model if you want to keep developing it for years to come |
| 10:12.02 | karl_w_w | and it wasnt ahead of its time in any way |
| 10:12.05 | nevcairiel | you need to get money somehow |
| 10:12.10 | Kesava | (it also had GFWL I think) |
| 10:12.13 | Mr_Rabies | it had so many good ideas, but the actual game was kind of a letdown |
| 10:12.15 | VIad | karl_w_w: he doesnt like dota so you know you are preaching to the wrong audience already |
| 10:12.20 | nevcairiel | dota2 does it based on its popularity, enoguh people buying cosmetics |
| 10:12.26 | cohii | okay so do you also want to complain about wow being $15/mo? |
| 10:12.33 | Kesava | yes! |
| 10:12.39 | Kesava | how dare they run all those servers |
| 10:12.44 | karl_w_w | wow is definitely overpriced now |
| 10:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like dota's gameplay, but i like the business model |
| 10:12.57 | nevcairiel | how dare them offer you a way to actually play the game to earn your gametime now |
| 10:12.58 | karl_w_w | you cant tell me server and bandwidth costs havent dropped since wow came out |
| 10:13.00 | nevcairiel | it should be free! |
| 10:13.14 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: I can! :D |
| 10:13.24 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: there is also inflation |
| 10:13.25 | Kesava | it probably is a bit too high, but they wouldn't ever admit to that when they don't need to |
| 10:13.29 | Mr_Rabies | wow is the one exception to how i buy games, because it was so good for so long |
| 10:13.30 | karl_w_w | well you can, but I won't believe it :P |
| 10:13.31 | Kesava | in fact they raised the EU price recently |
| 10:13.36 | Kesava | so that's nice |
| 10:13.39 | nevcairiel | only UK i think |
| 10:13.42 | Mr_Rabies | but WoD has really, really stretched the value proposition for wow |
| 10:13.42 | cohii | karl_w_w: there's been inflation, changes in technology, and the wow databases increases in size as well as complexity more than likely |
| 10:13.52 | VIad | as long I finally get a diablo 3 transmog system and can use my bank for actual bank stuff, reagents, e.g. then I am happy. just dont make it another dance studio :( |
| 10:14.02 | VIad | ^ worth the 15$mo |
| 10:14.10 | nevcairiel | who the fuck ever wanted a fucking dance studio |
| 10:14.16 | cohii | me every day ever |
| 10:14.22 | cohii | every race deserves to party rock |
| 10:14.25 | VIad | < |
| 10:14.48 | VIad | if you put it on a slide/trailer and I like the idea then ofc I get sad if its removed :< |
| 10:15.19 | karl_w_w | i wanted a dance studio |
| 10:15.20 | Mr_Rabies | i get a bit sad even it wasn't on a slide, even if i know that generally speaking cut content is cut for a good reason |
| 10:15.32 | Kesava | ARTHAS NAXRAMMAS uuuh dance studio DEATH KNIGHTS |
| 10:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | WoD was cut because they were developing legion at the same time, so hopefully legion delivers |
| 10:15.39 | VIad | it was on the trailer as flashing text passing the camera |
| 10:15.42 | Mr_Rabies | but man |
| 10:15.45 | karl_w_w | i didnt actually think it was going to be good, but it seemed like an interesting thing to try out |
| 10:15.49 | VIad | pharaloh RIP |
| 10:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | it was so promising :< |
| 10:16.04 | VIad | (can't spell that name) |
| 10:16.16 | karl_w_w | wod is why i unsubscribed |
| 10:16.21 | Kesava | wod is good, the raiding is as good as it's ever been, the levelling is better than it's ever been |
| 10:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | i definitely don't feel less content was worth more money this expansion, but whatever, i already paid it and can't get a refund in hindsight |
| 10:16.26 | Kesava | just the garrison is a bit boring |
| 10:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | wod is just lacking in content |
| 10:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | basically the only thing you can do is raid if you're a raider, there's not much else interesting to do |
| 10:17.07 | VIad | dunno if making class halls will make cities more lively though. depends I guess. if class halls have banks, AH, e.g. then dalaran will get quite empty too |
| 10:17.20 | Mr_Rabies | the world is so done by the time you hit 100 that it doesn't even feel fun to leave the garrison, and the garrisons are kind of a mess now |
| 10:17.22 | karl_w_w | dalaran is already empty? |
| 10:17.24 | VIad | on the subject that garrisons killed cities |
| 10:17.36 | Kesava | (new dalaran, karl) |
| 10:17.40 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 10:17.48 | karl_w_w | you mean new new dalaran :P |
| 10:17.49 | VIad | they make a clone in the new expansion |
| 10:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly just login on non-raid nights to play the garrison facebook game for about 10 seconds and log back off |
| 10:18.01 | VIad | mages get 3 dalaran portals now, great |
| 10:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | if master plan didn't exist i'd probably just login on raid night |
| 10:18.08 | nevcairiel | VIad: class halls have no such things, no banks, no AH, no nothing, you just go there sometimes to take care of quests and whatnot |
| 10:18.18 | VIad | thats good |
| 10:18.27 | VIad | master plan only reason I do naval/missions |
| 10:18.36 | Kesava | just imagine the rogue class hall |
| 10:18.36 | VIad | for gold hoarding |
| 10:18.39 | Kesava | always empty |
| 10:18.43 | nevcairiel | presumably everyone will still hang in dalaran |
| 10:18.56 | Mr_Rabies | i was kinda hoping for guild halls but maybe they're holding out for my ultimate idea |
| 10:18.57 | VIad | they said they will make a new 110 version in the new zone |
| 10:19.02 | VIad | and keep the old one in northrend |
| 10:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | guild airships :v |
| 10:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if they'll make dalaran actually look like a city or change it or what |
| 10:20.04 | VIad | I hope they do some remodeling |
| 10:20.12 | VIad | like making it a bit bigger too |
| 10:20.14 | Mr_Rabies | as functionally nice as dalaran is, it's kinda boring to see the same thing again if that's what they're doing |
| 10:20.19 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:20.23 | nevcairiel | They already said, graphical updates and small changes, but nothing ground breaking |
| 10:20.26 | nevcairiel | dalaran will be dalaran |
| 10:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | i love the old dalaran layout but i would like to see some new stuff |
| 10:20.48 | VIad | I think dalaran is so small though. was always too crowded back in the day for me. |
| 10:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, dalaran's supposed to be pretty huge |
| 10:20.58 | Kesava | too small yes |
| 10:21.07 | Kesava | dalaran caused people to hang and dc immediately upon login |
| 10:21.10 | Kesava | but i think they fixed that |
| 10:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | i know archimonde destroyed it in wc3, but i imagine the new one was similarly sized considering how mages roll |
| 10:21.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Gnarfoz (smallbrain@WoWUIDev/WowAce/Gnarfoz) |
| 10:21.35 | nevcairiel | with the dynamic phasing too many people in one place wouldnt be a problem anymore |
| 10:21.40 | Kesava | true |
| 10:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be amazing seeing a city as big as stormwind floating in the sky |
| 10:22.20 | Mr_Rabies | (i realize canon stormwind is much larger than ingame stormwind as well) |
| 10:22.42 | karl_w_w | everything is larger than it's ingame representation |
| 10:22.43 | nevcairiel | an actual sized city would be way too large to implement |
| 10:23.16 | Mr_Rabies | except brd, because making brd any larger is a task not even the titans could manage |
| 10:23.45 | nevcairiel | every town in the game is just a tiny place with 6-10 houses, they would be much bigger in reality |
| 10:24.29 | nevcairiel | goldshire has what, an inn and a craft building |
| 10:24.32 | nevcairiel | hardly a town =p |
| 10:24.36 | Mr_Rabies | i do sound like i'm being super negative towards wow but i have been pretty disappointed with the content, basically after the amazing leveling experience it felt like i was basically back in siege of orgrimmar |
| 10:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | also not a huge fan of the 5 mans for reasons i can't quite pin down |
| 10:25.05 | nevcairiel | the only problem with the 5mans was that you had no reasons to go there anymore |
| 10:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad i don't have to, though |
| 10:25.41 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't mind going back to the MoP 5 mans for a good while, but there's something i just don't like about the WoD ones |
| 10:25.43 | nevcairiel | they did say they want to explore new options to keep people interested in 5mans for longer in legion, so hoping they come up with something cool |
| 10:25.51 | Mr_Rabies | they seem to just take too long in general or something |
| 10:26.00 | Mr_Rabies | even in raid gear |
| 10:26.02 | nevcairiel | in previous xpacs there were currencies to be earned, but thats probably not the best solution |
| 10:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | i also loved the cata heroics at launch but by expansion's end i hated them |
| 10:26.40 | Mr_Rabies | MoP's were so inoffensive and fast that i didn't mind doing them over and over |
| 10:27.43 | Mr_Rabies | i hated that it felt like i had to, and hated the "get valor once a day" system, but loved the "get valor 7 times a week system" way more, but the dungeons themselves were just kinda fun to run, i guess |
| 10:27.57 | Mr_Rabies | felt more like the wrath dungeons, whereas the MoP ones feel more like the cata dungeons i don't much care for |
| 10:28.04 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 10:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | felt more like the wrath dungeons, whereas the WoD ones feel more like the cata dungeons i don't much care for |
| 10:28.54 | Mr_Rabies | i loved the idea of "oh hey no more mindless dungeons i can just aoe through forever" but in practice running those 1-2 hour dungeons in cata was just awful |
| 10:29.48 | Mr_Rabies | also organizing dungeons that require any modicum of strategy when your lfd group doesn't all speak the same language can be frustrating :v |
| 10:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | anyway i'm probably down on WoD because i'm kinda disappointed with the final result, and my realm/guild dying isn't helping things much |
| 10:33.35 | nevcairiel | whats the point of just mindlessly aoeing for 20 minutes, thats zero fun |
| 10:34.06 | nevcairiel | if content doesnt engage me to pay attention, its boring, and i get bored |
| 10:34.51 | nevcairiel | so it needs to be challenging to some degree |
| 10:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i agree, but at the same time if it feels required and also takes a long time and you've already done it a hundred times, that's also kinda boring |
| 10:35.13 | Mr_Rabies | finding a good middle ground is tough |
| 10:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | i can't fault them 100% on the 5 man content in WoD since i can't really pin down why i don't much like the dungeons |
| 10:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | it feels like maybe it's the time requirement |
| 10:36.29 | cohii | lack of reward imo |
| 10:36.39 | nevcairiel | unless your group permanently fails, they dont really take much longer than 15-20 minutes each |
| 10:36.42 | nevcairiel | which is a fine time frame |
| 10:36.44 | Mr_Rabies | but it could be that they take longer because everyone running dungeons tends to do like 10% of my dps because they're mostly <630 |
| 10:36.51 | VIad | nevcairiel: you had badges from heroics, okay way to get some extra currency to buy some pre-raid gear. on gear that was quite nice like for entry raiding. |
| 10:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | unless i tank they tend to take 30-45 minutes for some reason, nevcairiel |
| 10:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | which isn't awful, but i dunno |
| 10:37.15 | nevcairiel | VIad: entry-level gear is what dungeons provide anyway, and still no long-term motivation |
| 10:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | if i tank they're pretty fast because i chain pull everything like a maniac |
| 10:37.32 | Mr_Rabies | also instaqueue helps |
| 10:37.54 | VIad | still dungeons are pretty much dead now anyway so :p |
| 10:38.05 | VIad | not like not having a reason to go in there helps anything |
| 10:38.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'd like to see something similar to valor making a return but offering many more ways to earn it in legion |
| 10:38.35 | nevcairiel | the question is what can blizzard do to keep them at lleast somewhat relevant, which would then also help the plea of adding more dungeons later in an xpac |
| 10:38.46 | VIad | for instance mythics are imo dead. like hoping for 1% drop for that lucky 705 upgrade. I actually managed to just do heroic before I got any warforged 705 upgrades I benefited from :p |
| 10:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | maybe just opening up timewalking permanently as an option would help, just to give another option than the handful of dungeons each expansion offers |
| 10:39.29 | VIad | I enjoyed when they added new end game dungeons. like wotlk once, cata once, added someting more to do at the end, both lore and reward wise for non raders. |
| 10:39.55 | Mr_Rabies | and expanding the timewalking content a bit once the scaling is a bit more perfected |
| 10:40.20 | VIad | oh no office 365 having technical issues :( |
| 10:41.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love to see timewalking raids take some form but it'd probably require a lot of work to make some of the encounters managable |
| 10:41.51 | Mr_Rabies | like offer an extraactionbutton for MC that's basically a cheaper dispel with no cooldown |
| 10:42.13 | nevcairiel | i dont think thats something likely to show up |
| 10:42.24 | VIad | timewalking is already scrub content tbh |
| 10:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | me either, but i'd like to see it regardless |
| 10:42.29 | VIad | 660 isnt exactly much you farm for |
| 10:42.41 | VIad | its most for the 5 runs quest and just fun if you enjoy it |
| 10:42.55 | nevcairiel | god beware, you do something for fun :D |
| 10:42.55 | VIad | so not bad that its limited to sometimes and not always :p |
| 10:43.01 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:43.05 | VIad | done it many times for fun |
| 10:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | it is nice to be able to take any char above the level cap for that expansion through the timewalking content, though |
| 10:43.23 | nevcairiel | timewalking raids would have the same problem as raids did back in those days - one difficulty doesnt fit all |
| 10:43.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, most likely |
| 10:43.40 | VIad | tbh wish they apply the timewalking formula to allow you to quest with friends or do low level dungeons on your high levels |
| 10:43.45 | VIad | regardless of your OP gear :p |
| 10:43.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say don't aim for exactly replicating the old raid experience, but using the old raids for something other than just soloing on high level chars |
| 10:44.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's so much content that's basically unused nowadays |
| 10:44.10 | VIad | like if leader has some menu option enabled then the group is scaled to cap at the leaders level |
| 10:44.13 | nevcairiel | they could do it with some of the more approachable raids, like karazahn |
| 10:44.36 | nevcairiel | smaller group size, not too complex |
| 10:44.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think aiming towards "a bit easier than it was when it was fresh" and letting it flex like modern raids would be fine |
| 10:45.11 | VIad | nevcairiel: how can we beat the chess with less people?!! |
| 10:45.12 | nevcairiel | but of course mythic raiders will then whine that its just too easy and doesnt reward anything :p |
| 10:45.18 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 10:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | that's fine, they have mythic content |
| 10:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | hell, do mythic timewalking at some point once normal timewalking is perfected |
| 10:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | same basic idea but scale the boss health and damage higher, and player health lower |
| 10:46.17 | nevcairiel | noone would spent actual time slowly progressing through some old raid |
| 10:46.28 | Mr_Rabies | probably not, but what if like |
| 10:46.46 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 10:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | you're probably right but i think once the scaling is more or less found for each expansion it's a pretty simple process |
| 10:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | then just considering bosses about what might make them impossible in a modern raid for whatever reason |
| 10:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | like msot of mc being reliant on no cds for dispels |
| 10:47.48 | nevcairiel | anything after classic should be fine |
| 10:47.55 | nevcairiel | classic just re lied too much on outdated mechanics |
| 10:48.09 | nevcairiel | resist gear, dispel craziness |
| 10:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | eh, classic fights are so simple that it wouldn't be too hard to scale it |
| 10:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | just bam here have a buff when you enter mc that reduces fire damage by x% and also makes dispel spells cost y% less and have no cd or whatever |
| 10:49.37 | Mr_Rabies | i agree trying to replicate the vanilla raid experience would be a waste of time |
| 10:50.07 | Mr_Rabies | but just offering it as something to do at endgame with a little challenge would be fun |
| 10:50.08 | znf | they did that with MC, didn't go well! |
| 10:50.19 | Mr_Rabies | i loved what they did with mc, personally |
| 10:50.22 | Mr_Rabies | for the anniversary |
| 10:50.25 | znf | Mr_Rabies, little challenge means little reward |
| 10:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | except the total lack of reward after running it once unless you wanted to grind for a pet or enchant |
| 10:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | i mean challenge and reward roughly equivalent to 5 man heroic dungeons, znf |
| 10:52.23 | Mr_Rabies | maybe a bit more in both risk and reward, but you know, aim the current content at progression raiders |
| 10:52.43 | znf | little reward means nobody runs it |
| 10:52.43 | znf | Did you run MC more than once? |
| 10:52.43 | znf | I run it once on an alt and once on my main to get the gear. |
| 10:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | i ran it once because there were -no- rewards |
| 10:52.56 | znf | Sure, there were masochists who run it countless times for the chance of that enchant thing and the pet, but those are a minority |
| 10:53.08 | Mr_Rabies | if it even dropped the 5 man heroic gear i'd have kept running it for a while at least |
| 10:53.19 | Mr_Rabies | or anything interesting |
| 10:54.01 | Mr_Rabies | hell, even if it dropped tokens like the timewalking stuff will starting with 6.2.2 |
| 10:54.12 | Mr_Rabies | that can be redeemed for non-power rewards |
| 10:54.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's something to work towards |
| 10:54.44 | Mr_Rabies | i had a ton of fun in mc explaining the relatively simple mechanics to people that never saw the fights back in the day |
| 10:55.11 | Mr_Rabies | i felt the scaling was right and with a way to handle the dispels it would have been totally playable |
| 10:57.53 | Mr_Rabies | it was still fun partially because of how broken it was, but that's a feeling you get diminishing returns on |
| 10:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | like oh jesus we can't dispel but these fights basically were filled with half dead weight to make 40 players anyway |
| 11:07.45 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/f3o150D.png |
| 11:09.26 | karl_w_w | whats the name of that guy? :P |
| 11:09.37 | karl_w_w | NRA member, used to be a big movie star |
| 11:09.45 | karl_w_w | was in planet of the apes |
| 11:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | was gonna jokingly say ronald reagan until you said the last line |
| 11:10.03 | karl_w_w | charlton heston |
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| 12:11.56 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:15.23 | Torhal | tackletackles Fisker. |
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| 12:28.29 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 12:28.31 | Fisker | why are you rude? |
| 12:32.22 | Phixion | always rude |
| 12:36.34 | harl | it's a compensatory overreaction. he just loves you more than he thinks he should. |
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| 12:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | And a good morning to you all, no matter how tackle-rude. |
| 12:50.03 | Kalroth | tackles Torhal with arms full of rubber chickens. |
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| 13:23.10 | Torhal | I don't have arms full of rubber chickens, Kalroth. |
| 13:23.25 | Torhal | I'm rude because I learned it from watching you, Fisker. |
| 13:25.37 | Kalroth | Torhal, no no, i was talking about my arms |
| 13:25.52 | Torhal | They're full of rubber chickens? |
| 13:25.57 | Torhal | Sounds like botched injections. |
| 13:27.11 | Kalroth | Torhal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WRZ9gxfpM it sounds like this (video with loud sound) |
| 13:27.29 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 13:41.17 | Semlar | neffi |
| 13:41.33 | Semlar | my power supply exploded |
| 13:42.26 | Semlar | my house smells like burning plastic and i probably shouldn't be breathing whatever this is |
| 13:44.40 | fewyn | A new events coordinator can now be found in level 3 garrisons. Visit the coordinator during Hallow's End or Feast of Winter Veil to obtain garrison decorations that are usable all year round! |
| 13:44.45 | fewyn | where was this a year ago |
| 13:53.05 | Semlar | planning |
| 13:54.31 | fewyn | i had a hard drive catch on fire once Semlar |
| 13:55.36 | fewyn | https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/413169_10150938184461613_1150368669_o.jpg this was the aftermath |
| 13:55.50 | Semlar | is it okay? |
| 13:56.36 | fewyn | the hard drive was not but i turned everything off and got salvaged most of the computer |
| 13:56.45 | Semlar | what kind of hard drive |
| 13:56.57 | fewyn | just a normal spinning platter drive |
| 13:57.04 | fewyn | was either seagate or wd |
| 13:57.38 | Semlar | just 7200 rpm? |
| 13:57.53 | fewyn | probably |
| 13:57.55 | fewyn | this was like |
| 13:57.58 | fewyn | 5 years ago |
| 14:01.09 | Semlar | i wonder if your psu blew it up |
| 14:04.22 | Semlar | or just a bad cable |
| 14:05.24 | fewyn | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 15:18.57 | VIad | fewyn: have you tried turning it off and on? |
| 15:36.53 | fewyn | =p |
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| 15:50.39 | jleclanche | ugly new google logo |
| 15:50.40 | jleclanche | http://googleblog.blogspot.se/ |
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| 15:52.36 | mckenziemc | maybe that 2015- will become 2015-2015 |
| 15:56.34 | fewyn | oh hey realms are already up? |
| 15:57.27 | Ressy | while ago. |
| 15:57.33 | Ressy | They were trying for the shortest patch maintenance |
| 15:58.37 | fewyn | they did get it up real early |
| 15:58.44 | fewyn | i wasn't expecting it for at least another 2 hours |
| 16:00.05 | mckenziemc | patches fewyn. |
| 16:02.55 | fewyn | also none of my addons are broken |
| 16:03.01 | fewyn | was there really a patch? |
| 16:04.31 | Ressy | they had stuff up on background downloader.. |
| 16:05.24 | Ressy | today's download was probably only stuff required to unpack/patch |
| 16:08.20 | fewyn | i was making a joke |
| 16:08.22 | mckenziemc | your addons are clearly broken then fewyn |
| 16:08.27 | fewyn | normally my addons are broken |
| 16:08.38 | mckenziemc | part of the spec is breaking on a patch |
| 16:15.11 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: check if Onyxia breathes more, it's the only way to be sure |
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| 16:27.01 | j311yf1sh | do i need to update ToCs for new patch or will 60200 be fine? |
| 16:34.18 | Gnarfoz | the days of minor patches requiring TOC changes are long over, you should be fine |
| 16:34.26 | gre | hello |
| 16:34.40 | Amarande | besides, everyone these days always has "load out of date addons" checked anyway |
| 16:34.58 | Amarande | because there's always those one or two straggler addons that didn't need any changes and so didn't get any updates, but wow complains because of the toc |
| 16:35.13 | gre | i can't find two wow icons : "surge of dominance" (trinket dps proc) and "demonic circle: summon, any help pls? |
| 16:35.44 | Amarande | gre: demonic circle: summon should be in your spell book |
| 16:35.58 | Amarande | and you just said surge of dominance is a proc, procs occur randomly during battle, you don't cast them on your own |
| 16:36.02 | gre | i just need the .png name of these to type them in my .lya code |
| 16:36.05 | gre | .lua* |
| 16:36.29 | gre | Amarande lol |
| 16:37.11 | gre | you totally didn't understand what im looking for |
| 16:37.15 | gre | ;) |
| 16:37.59 | gre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.01 | gre | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.08 | gre | thx but im playing for a long time now |
| 16:38.37 | gre | (sorry for that shitty paste, i hate irssi sometimes) |
| 16:39.19 | gre | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/WoWWiki:WoW_Icons/Icon_List |
| 16:39.25 | gre | do you see what i mean? |
| 16:41.23 | Amarande | ah, for that kind of purpose |
| 16:41.24 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 16:41.27 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not really sure on that |
| 16:42.03 | gre | found! |
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| 16:42.19 | gre | wowhead can give me the png name of any icon |
| 16:42.21 | gre | great |
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| 17:02.15 | Unkle | Station. |
| 17:22.34 | fewyn | you know what about flying? i can make it to the mount rare spawns in time now |
| 17:23.58 | Neffi | Semlar: pretty sure silicon vapor is toxic |
| 17:24.12 | Semlar | too late |
| 17:24.29 | Neffi | quick, how many fingers am I holding up? |
| 17:24.35 | fewyn | 6 |
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| 17:25.23 | Semlar | your fingers are on your keyboard! |
| 17:26.03 | Neffi | oh gosh, he's delusional |
| 17:26.17 | Neffi | we need to operate. quick, Torhal, i need 4 cats in here, stat! |
| 17:26.49 | Torhal | stabs Neffi with a squirrel, then proceeds to go back to playing Diablo 3. |
| 17:26.57 | Neffi | :( |
| 17:27.42 | fewyn | speaking of d3... how's the new season? |
| 17:28.04 | Semlar | it's like diablo but with cubes |
| 17:28.20 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 17:28.20 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Semlar is stuck to the floor |
| 17:28.28 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 17:28.37 | Semlar | i can't even play because my computer is toast |
| 17:28.48 | Neffi | :( |
| 17:38.26 | karl_w_w | toast is underrated |
| 17:38.58 | karl_w_w | it's because a lot of people let it go cold before eating it |
| 17:39.26 | karl_w_w | gotta get in there when it's still steaming |
| 17:42.07 | Dagmar | Just stretch out the ejector springs and stand directly over toaster with mouth open for maximal flavor. |
| 17:45.44 | karl_w_w | that would be good |
| 17:46.19 | karl_w_w | spray on the butter as the toast exits the toaster |
| 17:49.38 | Dagmar | Bonus points for high-speed photography of the toast in flight. :) |
| 18:01.30 | fewyn | so far i've got one of the crashing thrashing controllers out of the 3 tanaan rares, and the booterang |
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| 18:34.54 | VIad | weakauras2 either using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED or that combined with aura_env kind of kills your fps to 0 during a 40 man raid :p |
| 18:36.19 | VIad | making a wa2 tracker for lightwell charges wasnt cpu friendly |
| 18:37.51 | VIad | any tips how I can track CLEU but only my own casts? cpu friendly way |
| 18:38.12 | VIad | tbh could be issue with aura_env too |
| 18:39.09 | Kesava | you could change the filter to just be from you and use the filtered event. that'd be a really good, compatible way of doing that. |
| 18:39.57 | Neffi | Semlar: so is the rest of your computer OK? |
| 18:40.22 | Semlar | i have no way of knowing that without a power supply |
| 18:40.35 | VIad | ofc :p only wow went to 0fps in raid |
| 18:41.38 | Neffi | :( |
| 18:42.06 | Semlar | i'll have a psu here tomorrow so we'll see |
| 18:42.13 | Torhal | You should probably get in your biome and drive it to a store that sells power supplies. |
| 18:42.23 | Neffi | 'your biome' top kek |
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| 19:02.36 | kd3 | whee. bigass water main break a few blocks from my apartment. it started at 9, I called 911 at 10 when I drove past, the water department finally got on site 30ish minutes ago (11:30) |
| 19:02.58 | kd3 | maybe it'll get fixed today? they're kinda doubtful. ugh |
| 19:05.08 | Unkle | That's horrible, considering SEVERE DROUGHT |
| 19:05.27 | kd3 | yah, I'm a bit annoyed |
| 19:05.50 | kd3 | but then EBMUD has been running around like chickens with their heads cut off. so many breaks in their service area of late |
| 19:23.56 | VIad | this is my issue regarding weakaura2 http://pastebin.com/drFRtWN7 |
| 19:24.38 | VIad | that kills the fps in a 40 man |
| 19:24.59 | VIad | the alternative combat log method doesnt allow for proper hiding of the aura (when 15 charges are spent, or I guess 3 min timer) |
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| 19:29.20 | kd3 | hm, I can cannot to freenode from work, but not from home |
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| 19:35.16 | Neffi | VIad: What kills the FPS? this CLEU function? |
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| 19:36.44 | VIad | 40 man raid neffi |
| 19:36.49 | VIad | and yes |
| 19:36.56 | VIad | joined a kazzak group and got stuck :p |
| 19:37.05 | Neffi | this function shouldn't cost much of anything |
| 19:37.17 | Neffi | you've got a ton of stuff listening to CLEU in a 40 man raid. this is nothing. |
| 19:39.48 | VIad | well it does for me |
| 19:39.51 | VIad | aura_env then? |
| 19:39.55 | VIad | dunno |
| 19:40.00 | VIad | its fine if I disable it |
| 19:45.16 | foxlit | stop writing code, viad. |
| 19:45.31 | VIad | sure |
| 19:46.34 | Neffi | no, table access is cheap unless there's some metatable on aura_env with a super expensive __newindex |
| 19:46.42 | Neffi | maybe the problem is just weakauras |
| 19:47.02 | VIad | its ok foxlit told me to stop writing code |
| 19:47.05 | Neffi | oh ok |
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| 19:52.48 | VIad | no but for real I wonder how foxlit would solve the problem with weakaura |
| 19:53.15 | VIad | I bet he will say he would just code own addon, and I agree. it would be better performance wise. but still, would be nice to use weakaura to make a small plugin for tracking the lightwell :p |
| 19:53.58 | nevcairiel | if its remotely useful, someone will have done it already |
| 19:54.01 | nevcairiel | did you check the googles? :p |
| 19:54.44 | VIad | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1335548-Weak-Aura-Custom-Tracking-of-Lightwell-Stacks |
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| 20:12.57 | karl_w_w | is this true? sugar-free bread is a thing that exists in the US? |
| 20:13.17 | foxlit | it'd require knowing how your code runs, viad. |
| 20:13.25 | Torhal | Impossible. Maybe "no sugar added," but that's about it. |
| 20:13.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.naturesownbread.com/products/VarietyBreads/WholeGrainSugarFreeBread/ |
| 20:13.57 | karl_w_w | this makes no sense |
| 20:14.13 | karl_w_w | bread doesnt have sugar in it unless you're insane :P |
| 20:15.29 | Torhal | Breads digest into sugar. |
| 20:15.30 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:17.12 | gre | heya |
| 20:17.21 | gre | any .lua wow coder around? |
| 20:17.27 | gre | need some assistance pls |
| 20:18.00 | Neffi | No. Ask your question and if somebody can help they will. You're not gonna get personal hand holding |
| 20:19.14 | VIad | foxlit: its just weakauras2 and that was all the code :p |
| 20:19.30 | gre | ok Neffi. Well, im not a .lua coder but i took two codes and i tried to combine these both. My code works, it display some icon in order to keep an eye at some buff player. Here the code : http://pastebin.com/Uf0emXX4 |
| 20:19.32 | VIad | doing lfr archy, 8th wipe, soon 10 stacks! |
| 20:19.34 | gre | The problem is |
| 20:19.36 | foxlit | and an a380 is just a plane. |
| 20:19.43 | gre | My code is too long and im sure it could be shorter |
| 20:19.49 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure there's a steering stick in that cockpit somewhere. |
| 20:20.03 | gre | So i need a coder to make it shorter, i think its pretty fast to do for someone who knows. |
| 20:22.06 | karl_w_w | you only need one frame gre |
| 20:22.15 | gre | Yeah i was typing this |
| 20:22.38 | gre | I created probably too many frames |
| 20:22.52 | karl_w_w | it's pretty much fine to do it like that though |
| 20:23.06 | gre | I tried to create one and then adding some "if"/"elsif" |
| 20:23.10 | gre | but it didn't work |
| 20:23.16 | gre | so i duplicated frames instead |
| 20:24.27 | gre | karl_w_w: yeah but not lightweight at all |
| 20:24.32 | karl_w_w | what you should do though is set the frame up when you create it |
| 20:24.52 | karl_w_w | like set the height and texture and so on |
| 20:25.01 | karl_w_w | then when the event comes along you either show or hide it |
| 20:25.46 | gre | Can you pastebin what you mean karl_w_w ? As i said im a real noob in .lua, i can understand some things coz i read some C learning book a long time ago |
| 20:29.13 | karl_w_w | http://pastebin.com/teKrcjmH |
| 20:31.10 | karl_w_w | and I suspect that code is not doing what you want |
| 20:31.33 | gre | thx |
| 20:31.36 | gre | tell me |
| 20:31.43 | karl_w_w | UNIT_AURA fires when an aura fades as well as when it applies |
| 20:32.11 | karl_w_w | I assume you want the frame to show when the aura is on, and hide when it fades? |
| 20:32.17 | gre | exact |
| 20:32.55 | karl_w_w | oh never mind, i misread it |
| 20:33.00 | karl_w_w | looks fine |
| 20:33.03 | gre | :) |
| 20:33.08 | gre | you also told me |
| 20:33.16 | gre | i could create 1 frame instead of 5 |
| 20:33.34 | gre | but i see your code is only for frame1 |
| 20:33.39 | gre | not possible then? |
| 20:33.52 | karl_w_w | it was just an example :P |
| 20:33.56 | Torhal | Not if you want to show all those different auras at once, no. |
| 20:33.56 | gre | okay :p |
| 20:34.02 | karl_w_w | so you can do it for all the frames |
| 20:34.31 | karl_w_w | like you could do a template for the frame and reuse it but its not necessary |
| 20:35.16 | gre | i see |
| 20:35.31 | gre | big thanks to you ! |
| 20:35.44 | gre | i couldn't use a code if a lua coder didn't accept it before |
| 20:35.51 | gre | now im reassured |
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| 20:36.08 | gre | (and i hate bugs) |
| 20:36.10 | Gnarfoz | the only thing that needs to accept it is WoW's Lua interpreter :p |
| 20:38.41 | gre | i also should rename local texture for other frames i have i guess |
| 20:38.44 | gre | local texture = frame1:CreateTexture(nil,"BACKGROUND") |
| 20:38.58 | gre | in order to have different backgrounds |
| 20:42.55 | gre | and im sad i cant do frame1,frame2:SetWidth(32) for example |
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| 21:07.10 | karl_w_w | https://youtu.be/lrowGloqhrQ?t=1h26m35s |
| 21:07.39 | karl_w_w | they're talking about the rumour that nintendo's next console won't have an optical drive, and they're guessing how games will be released |
| 21:07.53 | karl_w_w | then totalbiscuit discovers how the world ends |
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| 21:31.23 | Semlar | gerrymanders torhal |
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| 21:42.52 | Torhal | filibusters Neffi on Semlar's behalf. |
| 21:43.09 | Semlar | put that away |
| 21:43.15 | Torhal | o.O |
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| 21:49.26 | Neffi | so rude |
| 21:53.02 | fewyn | anyone else have to press the find group button several times when queueing for multiple lfrs? |
| 21:53.08 | fewyn | i don't remember it doing this before |
| 22:00.29 | nevcairiel | once for every wing = multiple times? =p |
| 22:00.38 | Amarande | I'm not even sure I was allowed to queue for multiple LFRs the last time I used that feature |
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| 22:36.40 | fewyn | i have to press the button 3-4 times before it'll let me queue sometimes nevcairiel |
| 22:39.48 | nebula | fewyn: i've seen that happen when I'm queueing for like all of them, not sure if it's lag or some sort of throttle |
| 22:40.12 | [TOM_RUS] | there's some throttle |
| 22:41.00 | [TOM_RUS] | you can queue 2, then wait, queue another 2 |
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| 22:42.13 | fewyn | as long as i'm not imagining it |
| 22:42.18 | fewyn | that's good |
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