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| 01:37.37 | Simca | i just got soothsayer's runes for killing a mirror image in the hellfire council fight |
| 01:42.24 | kullervo | Simca: yeah all boss adds count for those, it's weird |
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| 02:38.31 | fewyn | i hate the horde camp in battle for mt hyjal |
| 02:38.49 | mckenziemc | it hates you too |
| 02:39.01 | fewyn | the stupid gargoyles |
| 02:39.03 | fewyn | and infernals |
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| 03:30.40 | Jamash | fewyn: just feign death on cooldown |
| 04:02.47 | karl_w_w | i like the new paypal site |
| 04:03.06 | karl_w_w | its buttons have no text on them so you have to guess what they are |
| 04:03.10 | karl_w_w | very minimalist |
| 04:03.56 | _Kasc | Plus, life isn't certain, they're only trying to emulate that |
| 04:14.12 | Amarande | karl_w_w: gotta love good old mystery meat navigation |
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| 04:51.47 | mckenziemc | wtf Blizzard |
| 04:51.55 | mckenziemc | i'm stuck in a stump from Small Timber :( |
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| 05:10.23 | karl_w_w | i can help mckenziemc |
| 05:10.42 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToPCaNxaow there you go |
| 05:13.39 | mckenziemc | sorry karl_w_w |
| 05:13.48 | mckenziemc | i don't youtube, except in extraordinary circumstances |
| 05:22.05 | karl_w_w | your loss |
| 05:22.51 | mckenziemc | gain* |
| 05:24.02 | karl_w_w | gloss |
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| 05:49.41 | karl_w_w | its very disconcerting when you're on hold for 30 mins and when they pick up they're much quieter than the musak |
| 05:50.07 | mckenziemc | heh |
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| 06:10.46 | mckenziemc | the ice stone has melted :o |
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| 07:46.57 | mckenziemc | hugs Cairenn. |
| 07:47.13 | Shirik | hugs Cairenn |
| 07:47.23 | mckenziemc | go away Shirik |
| 07:47.30 | Shirik | hugs mckenziemc |
| 07:47.35 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 07:47.37 | Cairenn | hugs mckenziemc and Shirik |
| 07:48.20 | Shirik | I just found an article "5 Important Leadership Lessons From Kim Jong Un" |
| 07:48.43 | Shirik | #1 is "Donât annihilate your enemies" |
| 07:48.52 | Shirik | I'm struggling to figure out how this was in Kim Jong Un's power at all |
| 07:49.09 | bluspacecow | Cairenn: https://www.facebook.com/DavidAvocadoWolfe/videos/10152745816906512/ |
| 07:49.11 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 07:49.38 | Cairenn | Yeah, saw that before, too true and too funny |
| 07:50.39 | mckenziemc | throws rancid avocados at bluspacecow. |
| 07:52.13 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 07:52.17 | bluspacecow | u mad? |
| 07:52.34 | mckenziemc | how should i know |
| 07:52.45 | mckenziemc | (10:13:49 PM) mckenziemc: i don't youtube, except in extraordinary circumstances |
| 07:52.51 | mckenziemc | or facebook |
| 07:52.59 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 07:53.02 | bluspacecow | u mat? |
| 07:53.26 | mckenziemc | no |
| 07:53.28 | mckenziemc | but i am hungry |
| 07:53.32 | mckenziemc | just not for rancid avocadoes |
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| 08:10.10 | Shirik | I mat bluspacecow |
| 08:10.22 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 08:13.51 | mckenziemc | quick Shirk, pop quiz: how many seconds elapsed between 2:36 PM March 18, 1983 and 7:20 AM June 7, 2007, both times in UTC |
| 08:13.55 | mckenziemc | Shirik* |
| 08:18.26 | mckenziemc | the clock's ticking D: |
| 08:22.12 | Shirik | ((8846 * 24 + 16) * 60 + 44) * 60 + 11 |
| 08:22.55 | mckenziemc | simplified answers only Shirik |
| 08:23.06 | Shirik | 764354651 |
| 08:23.39 | mckenziemc | think you're off by a bit |
| 08:23.45 | Shirik | that number is exact |
| 08:24.15 | Shirik | if I am wrong, it is either because your query was incorrect or because you are using an imprecise calculator |
| 08:24.43 | mckenziemc | check your work, i already checked mine :) |
| 08:24.50 | Shirik | how did you check yours? |
| 08:25.11 | mckenziemc | os.time with correction for leap seconds |
| 08:25.23 | mckenziemc | of which there were twelve, not 11, but that's not the only difference |
| 08:25.35 | Shirik | there were 11 |
| 08:26.02 | Shirik | god damnit I read the month wrong |
| 08:26.04 | Shirik | fine there were 12 |
| 08:26.10 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 08:26.35 | Shirik | here's the fun question |
| 08:26.41 | mckenziemc | 764355612 |
| 08:26.43 | Shirik | June 7, 2007 or March 18, 1983 |
| 08:26.53 | Shirik | which one has a higher week number? |
| 08:27.25 | Shirik | aw actually 2007 is far enough out |
| 08:27.27 | Shirik | it's still higher |
| 08:27.30 | Shirik | but it was close |
| 08:28.20 | Shirik | besides |
| 08:28.29 | Shirik | all the cool people use GPS time anyway |
| 08:28.39 | Shirik | aint no months |
| 08:28.43 | Shirik | aint no years |
| 08:28.47 | Shirik | just weeks and milliseconds |
| 08:29.07 | mckenziemc | i still don't know where the rest of the discrepency is from |
| 08:29.15 | mckenziemc | oh nvm |
| 08:29.17 | mckenziemc | the month right? |
| 08:30.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:31.28 | Shirik | it's definitely 8846 days, 16 hours, 44 minutes if you ignore any leap seconds |
| 08:31.29 | mckenziemc | was misreading the month why there was more different than just the one leap second? |
| 08:31.33 | Shirik | no |
| 08:31.38 | Shirik | I misread the leap seconds table |
| 08:31.45 | Shirik | I thought the leap second occurred in january |
| 08:33.24 | Shirik | you appear to be off by 16 minutes |
| 08:33.36 | Shirik | which just so happens to be 60-44 |
| 08:33.46 | Shirik | I'm going to go with you just used 17 hours |
| 08:36.02 | mckenziemc | 16 is the different between 36 and 20 |
| 08:36.07 | mckenziemc | the minute values |
| 08:37.20 | Shirik | it is |
| 08:37.41 | bluspacecow | *nibbles on Shirik* |
| 08:37.55 | mckenziemc | i think yalb will fail us |
| 08:37.55 | Shirik | and I already showed I used 44 |
| 08:38.11 | Shirik | so if you are off by 16 minutes from me, you cannot possibly be right |
| 08:38.34 | Shirik | even if I had done something like gone in the wrong direction, a 16 minute delta from me would still be wrong |
| 08:39.01 | mckenziemc | % os.time({year=2007,month=6,day=7}) |
| 08:39.01 | yalb | mckenziemc: |
| 08:39.10 | Shirik | basically what I'm saying is that if I am wrong, I cannot be wrong by 16 minutes |
| 08:39.29 | Shirik | that was effective |
| 08:39.44 | mckenziemc | oh, derp |
| 08:40.04 | mckenziemc | % print(os.time({year=2007,month=6,day=7})) |
| 08:40.04 | yalb | mckenziemc: 1181217600 |
| 08:40.12 | mckenziemc | ok now i can do the full thing xD |
| 08:40.54 | mckenziemc | you know what |
| 08:41.05 | mckenziemc | did you do the june time as DST? |
| 08:41.52 | Shirik | Pro tip |
| 08:41.53 | mckenziemc | no that wouldn't explain that |
| 08:41.58 | Shirik | UTC does not have DST |
| 08:42.01 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 08:42.06 | mckenziemc | that's why i was checking |
| 08:42.10 | Shirik | that being said, I still cannot possibly be off by 16 minutes |
| 08:42.20 | Shirik | if I am wrong, it will be by some other value |
| 08:43.24 | Shirik | hi bluspacecow |
| 08:44.00 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 08:45.51 | mckenziemc | ah i found it |
| 08:46.13 | mckenziemc | i was passing the minute value as "minute" in the table, it's "minutes" |
| 08:46.20 | mckenziemc | so that wasn't being read at all :( |
| 08:46.39 | Shirik | mckenziemc: If you accept that there are 44 minutes from minute 36 to minute 20, you will also accept that the result must be of the form of (60n+44)*60 |
| 08:46.56 | Shirik | and this, my friends, is why type strict languages are amazing |
| 08:46.59 | Shirik | but noooooo |
| 08:47.05 | Shirik | everyone wants their duck typing |
| 08:47.42 | mckenziemc | i accepted that an algorithm is better than using GPS conversion, but that requires the algorithm be accurate :( |
| 08:47.55 | mckenziemc | and that's exactly what i was thinking, Shirik :p |
| 08:48.45 | mckenziemc | well at least the unrelated calculations i did earlier had no minute values :) |
| 08:49.51 | mckenziemc | oh it's not "minutes" either, it's "min" *facepalm* |
| 08:50.29 | Shirik | isn't it wonderful when people are consistent in their use of abbreviations across the parameters to a function? |
| 08:50.45 | Shirik | I made it easy at work: abbreviations and acronyms aren't allowed in variable names, period. |
| 08:51.13 | mckenziemc | well |
| 08:51.15 | Shirik | the only exception is when, in normal parlance, an abbreviation is used in preference to the actual name, like GPS or ATM |
| 08:51.16 | mckenziemc | there is no "easy" |
| 08:51.16 | bluspacecow | you must name all your variables like you name your goldfish |
| 08:51.20 | bluspacecow | *nod* |
| 08:51.55 | mckenziemc | also fun: login, pickup, addon |
| 08:52.07 | mckenziemc | with capitalization or underscores |
| 08:54.10 | mckenziemc | Shirk: where would i find the times, to the second and clearly marked which time system is used, for solstices etc? |
| 08:54.35 | mckenziemc | searching the internet only found to-the-minute times instead |
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| 08:55.55 | Shirik | no idea |
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| 08:56.18 | Shirik | if you're looking for second precision you would also need to get a very accurate position anyway |
| 08:56.39 | mckenziemc | for solstice? xD |
| 09:16.16 | VIad | the addon PremadeFilter uses a global "T" and I often use that global temporarily when doing stuff, so was a musing to accidentally discover a global leak. Turns out there were a lot of global leaks in PremadeFilter but damn its nice for filtering the PUG list :( |
| 09:16.56 | nebula169 | most shitty addon leak globals like crazy |
| 09:16.59 | nebula169 | -s |
| 09:17.28 | mckenziemc | "mot shitty addon leak globals like crazy" ? |
| 09:17.36 | tz | table caches ftw |
| 09:17.49 | tz | (especially when iterating auras) |
| 09:20.19 | mckenziemc | " it has since been replaced with the more accurate NIST-F1, a caesium fountain atomic clock that neither gains nor loses one second in 100 million years." <- the years do instead :D |
| 09:27.55 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 09:28.18 | bluspacecow | for some reason I read caesium fountain atomic clock as caesium fountain atomic duck |
| 09:28.23 | bluspacecow | ATOMIC DUCK! |
| 09:28.28 | bluspacecow | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! |
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| 10:19.21 | karl_w_w | if ctrl G is find next what is find previous? |
| 10:19.49 | karl_w_w | ctrl shift G |
| 10:19.52 | karl_w_w | thanks me |
| 10:19.56 | karl_w_w | no problem me |
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| 10:51.28 | Simca_ | quacks at bluspacecow |
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| 12:01.20 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 12:01.23 | bluspacecow | sorry simca |
| 12:01.30 | bluspacecow | was AFK for foods at that time |
| 12:06.53 | karl_w_w | rude bluspacecow |
| 12:07.05 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 12:07.09 | bluspacecow | i soooowwwwwyyyyy |
| 12:07.17 | bluspacecow | :[ |
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| 12:11.20 | bluspacecow | Rising World |
| 12:11.26 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/959ht5o.png |
| 12:11.30 | bluspacecow | a game that according to the trailer you are a pick axe |
| 12:39.35 | Torhal | transforms bluspacecow into an ice pick. |
| 12:39.55 | bluspacecow | *picks Torhalâs hair* |
| 12:40.23 | Torhal | Apparently you only watched the first few seconds of the trailer, and didn't pick up on the fact that the pickaxe was held and you just couldn't see the hand. |
| 12:40.40 | Torhal | Later, there's an axe. Then you can see other people walking around holding pickaxes. |
| 12:41.00 | bluspacecow | ! |
| 12:41.07 | bluspacecow | You get to be an axe too ? |
| 12:41.09 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 12:41.54 | Torhal | ... |
| 12:42.01 | Torhal | SMH. |
| 12:54.52 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: What game doesn't support mulitple classes noawadays? |
| 13:03.34 | winny | I have to say the hearthstone proto is very horrible |
| 13:04.14 | winny | too bad it even uses protobuf, but manages to make 1-2 packet drops a serious connection failure |
| 13:04.36 | karl_w_w | https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticePorn/ great place |
| 13:04.40 | Dagmar | This is 2015. That _is_ a serious connection failure now |
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| 13:06.32 | winny | I disagree |
| 13:07.09 | winny | WiFi and mobile connectivity has the same category of challenges that it has had since they both become popular |
| 13:07.29 | znf | https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10014001/2378600-v8-beads-bracelet-usb-to-micro-usb-m-m-charging |
| 13:08.05 | winny | if you capture wifi traffic of any kind, you will find at least a few tcp retransmissions if not some dropped packets |
| 13:08.07 | znf | this cable looks like it comes with anal beads |
| 13:08.16 | winny | even in today's fancy age |
| 13:08.32 | Dagmar | I can assure you I spend more time looking at packet dumps than you do. |
| 13:08.42 | Dagmar | For nearly certain this week |
| 13:08.52 | winny | then you should be familiar with the issues i'm talking about |
| 13:09.06 | nebula169 | WATCH OUT |
| 13:09.11 | nebula169 | WE GOT A BADASS IN THE CHANNEL |
| 13:09.30 | Dagmar | nebula169: It's an improvement over ignorant fuckwit |
| 13:09.41 | winny | that escalated quickly |
| 13:09.48 | nebula169 | but i thought you were friends with amarande |
| 13:09.50 | nebula169 | that's mean |
| 13:10.42 | winny | at any rate, maybe you live in more urban environment where the houses are smaller and the cell coverage is legandary |
| 13:10.46 | znf | Oh, the chinese has so pretty micro USB cables |
| 13:10.46 | winny | I envy that |
| 13:10.47 | znf | I want to order them all :-S |
| 13:11.07 | Dagmar | Last night I went to see KMFDM. Beyond that the last nine goddamn nights I have spent a couple hours in a goddamn park working with a Raspberry Pi outfitted with a couple of 802.11 listeners |
| 13:11.46 | winny | is KMFDM still as fun to see? I really liked their old stuff so much more |
| 13:12.09 | Dagmar | Beats the fuck out of most of what comes here, although someone needed to crank the mics up for Sashca and Lucia |
| 13:12.18 | Dagmar | I could barely hear them most of the time |
| 13:13.11 | Dagmar | Just about ready to put some external stuff on this "smurf detector". :) |
| 13:14.14 | Dagmar | I am not sure if the local smurfs are smart enough to figure out it's actually detecting their presence, but we'll see |
| 13:14.48 | Dagmar | The paranoid gossip-storm should be epic |
| 13:16.10 | winny | lol |
| 13:16.31 | winny | what are you looking for? just the usual credentials? |
| 13:16.42 | Dagmar | No, literally just Ingress players |
| 13:17.59 | Dagmar | We keep this particular park loaded with L8 portals pretty much all the time, _many_ of them drive-hack the thing, but not so many will admit to it |
| 13:18.32 | winny | so you haven't really noticed much of anything with connectivity issues in your 'warsitting' |
| 13:19.03 | Dagmar | Since it's about 15 minutes from my house, I tend to be there 4-5 nights a week, so I notice when I see cars circling the park. It's got some architechture but nothing that would make a normal tourist make more than two laps, really. |
| 13:19.41 | Dagmar | winny: Oh the somewhat irksome thing was that no matter what I did, the park was still the best place to test from because it's got open space with little infrastructure, _and_ people passing through |
| 13:19.57 | winny | huh |
| 13:20.04 | winny | sounds like a fun project |
| 13:20.06 | Dagmar | ...although during the day it's as much of a broadcast storm as any coffee house |
| 13:20.54 | Dagmar | winny: Oh yes. I've decided to take a new approach towards eliminating douchebag players by causing people to stroke out from rage. :) |
| 13:21.08 | winny | do you play ingress too? |
| 13:21.12 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 13:21.20 | winny | I've never actually seen it in action |
| 13:21.34 | Dagmar | There's generally a lot of walking |
| 13:22.03 | Dagmar | If I'm lucky my new EL wire kit will arrive before the weekend |
| 13:22.44 | Dagmar | I am seriously considering tying the Pi to it so that it'll light up the word "enlightened" on the back of the car when smurfs get near it |
| 13:22.48 | winny | sometimes you find the weirdest things monitoring |
| 13:23.22 | Dagmar | Yeah the freakin _climate control_ at the venue was 802.11-enabled, but time/opportunism-based security |
| 13:23.47 | Dagmar | Gotta connect to it within 10 minutes of it powering up or it just tells you that's what you should have done |
| 13:23.49 | winny | i used to use a mac when traveling, and noticed my irc client would send two PONGs in a row, and it's odd because that client is actively developed and the most popular client for os x |
| 13:24.02 | bluspacecow | @dagmar smurf ? |
| 13:24.11 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Resistance faction member |
| 13:24.16 | Dagmar | They's blue. |
| 13:24.20 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 13:24.30 | bluspacecow | i thought you meant. actual smurfs |
| 13:24.54 | Dagmar | Nah if I wanna see actual smurfs I think I can probably find some people with hallucinogenics availale. |
| 13:24.57 | Dagmar | er available |
| 13:25.03 | winny | :D |
| 13:25.25 | Dagmar | A _large_ part of the reason I play Ingress is to keep refining my paranoia-levels |
| 13:26.04 | winny | at any rate, I gave you the wrong idea, sounds like a fun project and you would know something about wifi connectivity issues, still, i seem to experience a lot of tcp drops/retransmissions :s |
| 13:27.02 | winny | okay lol, can't tell if that is a game energy or irl energy 'paranoia-levels' |
| 13:27.06 | Ressy | Go go frogs! |
| 13:27.10 | Dagmar | Only over wireless do those really happen. "Unreliable" or not, UDP drops over a wired connection generally mean something's broke. Over TCP some really exceptional things have to happen before you even see retransmits or things come in out of order |
| 13:27.17 | Dagmar | winny: Real life paranoia |
| 13:27.51 | winny | udp based protos have always amazed me, because of that very nature |
| 13:27.59 | Dagmar | winny: ...but the game involves going to actual places before you can perform in-game actions |
| 13:28.19 | winny | and an android :c |
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| 13:28.27 | Ressy | its available on ios now. |
| 13:28.30 | Ressy | for about a year |
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| 13:28.33 | winny | nvm |
| 13:28.35 | Dagmar | winny: ...and I'm a "night person", which necessarily means I do see a lot of shifty people and things going on. |
| 13:28.37 | winny | can't read it turns out lmao |
| 13:28.55 | Gnarfoz | don't be sad, it affects more people than you know |
| 13:29.02 | winny | lol |
| 13:29.23 | Dagmar | S'okay. We know IOS people are second-class citizens. ;) |
| 13:29.29 | winny | :^) |
| 13:29.54 | winny | ever since i sold my mac it's been a pain to integrate |
| 13:43.21 | Dagmar | I'm sure there's a joke about water fountains there, but I need more coffee |
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| 13:58.22 | Gnarfoz | Cisco admins should be treated as second-class citizens |
| 13:58.24 | Gnarfoz | nod nod |
| 13:59.58 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 13:59.58 | purl | ~pong |
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| 16:40.05 | Shirik | http://www.theonion.com/graphic/how-hackers-steal-data-websites-51043 |
| 16:41.27 | Ressy | Something that looks fake, but itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG6fhub9HDQ |
| 16:41.32 | Ressy | but isn't |
| 16:42.47 | Shirik | omg |
| 16:43.10 | g0urra | anyone else here that's using facebook on firefox? |
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| 17:08.27 | Unkle | station |
| 17:10.45 | Stanzilla | PTR realms will be coming down soon so we can deploy a brand new 6.2.2 (yep!) build |
| 17:15.45 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
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| 18:57.18 | fewyn | wtb flying on draenor pls |
| 18:58.22 | karl_w_w | you can fly in draenot |
| 18:58.25 | karl_w_w | draenor |
| 18:58.31 | fewyn | liar |
| 18:59.13 | karl_w_w | just get a big image of the map and move it around behind an image of a mount |
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| 19:03.55 | fewyn | huh tsm3 changes the url in tweets to their website? |
| 19:04.33 | fewyn | yep it's an option |
| 19:05.29 | bluspacecow | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02zfwz9 |
| 19:05.42 | bluspacecow | *sigh* BBC . y u no html5 :( |
| 19:05.46 | fewyn | wooooo |
| 19:05.48 | fewyn | thanks bluspacecow |
| 19:06.07 | bluspacecow | no i gotta start up chrome :| |
| 19:06.20 | fewyn | IS IT HERE YET? |
| 19:06.30 | bluspacecow | what chrome ? |
| 19:06.33 | bluspacecow | it just opened. |
| 19:06.36 | fewyn | no i meant |
| 19:06.38 | fewyn | doctor who |
| 19:06.43 | fewyn | god a month and a week away |
| 19:06.46 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 19:06.58 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho |
| 19:07.01 | bluspacecow | such a tease |
| 19:20.29 | bluspacecow | i go sleepies times nows |
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| 19:45.13 | Seerah | Gah... stuck... Fill in the blanks: Total computer nerd, Gamer geek, Regular user, _____ , Computer n00b |
| 19:45.23 | Seerah | *blank - just one blank >< |
| 19:45.49 | kullervo | casual user? |
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| 19:46.07 | Seerah | sure. thanks :) |
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| 20:14.00 | Unkle | Seerah: Novice user might fit there too. |
| 20:15.31 | fewyn | filthy casual |
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| 20:41.37 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: "Torhal"? |
| 20:42.06 | Simca | years later than they should have, but they finally added support for hotfixing achievements |
| 20:43.30 | Torhal | asks Gnarfoz why his retractable cup holder snapped off. |
| 20:44.00 | Simca | also interesting |
| 20:44.02 | Simca | SHADER_MODEL_TO_BE_UNSUPPORTED - Warning: Your graphics card will not be supported in future versions of World of Warcraft, which will require a Shader Model 3 capable graphics card or better. |
| 20:46.21 | Gnarfoz | donates all 5 European cupholders to Torhal's cats |
| 20:46.30 | Torhal | :O |
| 20:51.05 | mckenziemc | donates Torhal to a waste-to-energy incinerator's fuel supply. |
| 20:55.02 | nevcairiel | who doesnt have SM3 support |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | but its always good to see they are dumping old hardware |
| 20:55.44 | Stanzilla | when was sm3 |
| 20:55.48 | Stanzilla | gtx 2xx= |
| 20:55.49 | Stanzilla | ? |
| 20:56.02 | Stanzilla | probably even before |
| 20:56.08 | nevcairiel | dx9 gpus |
| 20:57.28 | nevcairiel | ie GeForce 6 |
| 20:57.43 | nevcairiel | 2004-2005 GPUs |
| 20:57.43 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 20:58.01 | nevcairiel | ATI a bit later, 2005-2006 |
| 20:58.09 | nevcairiel | starting with the X1 series |
| 20:59.46 | mckenziemc | i wish they'd add proper OpenGL support |
| 21:00.42 | nevcairiel | OpenGL on windows would be wasted, and OSX users are like 2%, so why bother |
| 21:00.49 | mckenziemc | linux |
| 21:01.01 | nevcairiel | they dont sell wow for linux |
| 21:01.05 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 21:01.20 | mckenziemc | but i find that frustrating :) |
| 21:01.34 | nevcairiel | using linux for gaming is meant to be frustrating |
| 21:01.54 | mckenziemc | using windows for anything is meant to be frustrating |
| 21:02.06 | nevcairiel | i can game fine though! |
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| 21:13.16 | mckenziemc | linux has its own problems but it's arguably severely set back by Microsoft's past practices, and it shows much more potential for improvement beyond the minimalistic functionality closed-source models tend to produce |
| 21:13.22 | mckenziemc | except in specialized fields |
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| 21:16.54 | mckenziemc | s/minimalistic/limited/ |
| 21:20.16 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'm assuming they're ditching OpenGL altogether, since Blizzard was announced as one of the companies supporting the OSX Metal APIs. |
| 21:20.31 | nevcairiel | doubtful |
| 21:21.43 | nevcairiel | Metal is primarily mobile anyway, so maybe its hearthstone |
| 21:21.55 | nevcairiel | A more sane approach would be Vulkan if you target desktop only |
| 21:22.32 | fewyn | i wonder how well the wow armory app would work on windows 10 mobile with astoria |
| 21:22.35 | nevcairiel | I dont think they care enough about WoW on OSX to do any of that though |
| 21:24.40 | Amarande | Torhal: well, Vulkan is supposed to supersede legacy OpenGL anyway |
| 21:24.54 | Amarande | which is going to be fun for legacy software, seeing that Vulkan *isn't* BC with legacy OpenGL |
| 21:29.49 | Simca | Blizzard does support Mac-specific OpenGL stuff currently. |
| 21:30.08 | Torhal | nevcairiel: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18000263457?page=2#32 |
| 21:32.07 | nevcairiel | its funny how all these users in that thread expect it to magically solve all their woes though |
| 21:32.52 | Torhal | If I see bluspacecow or MysticalOS say "parody" when they actually mean "parity" one more time in this thread, I'mma flip a table. |
| 21:33.02 | nevcairiel | i thought it was funny |
| 21:33.07 | Torhal | Heh |
| 21:33.14 | nevcairiel | confirms my expectation of him |
| 21:33.24 | Shadowed | Torhal but they've reached parody by doing it together.... |
| 21:33.36 | Torhal | This is true. |
| 21:33.41 | mckenziemc | parities Torhal. |
| 21:33.52 | fewyn | so how's everyone doing today |
| 21:34.00 | nevcairiel | I would be more interesting in DX12 support |
| 21:34.17 | nevcairiel | I think it could benefit greatly, since in a big raid environment, there are a lot of effects going on at the same time |
| 21:34.27 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I dunno, if I was an MMO dev I'd very much not want to encourage people to use DX12, at least not at the moment |
| 21:34.32 | Unkle | Every time I see homophonic misuses I want to scream, "English Motherfucker! DO YOU SPEAK IT?" |
| 21:34.57 | Amarande | at least till we're absolutely sure windows 10 doesn't keylog by default |
| 21:35.02 | mckenziemc | you're not going to be an MMO dev anytime soon Amarande. |
| 21:35.11 | nevcairiel | and thats much better for the world |
| 21:35.14 | Amarande | "sure, run the OS with a keylogger in it while you're playing our game that has one of the highest account theft attempt rates in the industry" |
| 21:35.17 | Amarande | ... doesn't look good. LOL |
| 21:36.15 | nevcairiel | Unkle: but these things dont have the same sound |
| 21:36.23 | nevcairiel | parity, parody .. different, entirely |
| 21:36.38 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: they only speak it, apparently... writing, not so much |
| 21:36.47 | Amarande | nevcairiel, that depends on your region |
| 21:37.02 | foxlit | its mental autocomplete for typing |
| 21:37.38 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: they should of :D have paid better attention in school |
| 21:37.48 | foxlit | you sometimes end up with entirely unrelated words just because they're kind of similar and occur much more often than the word you're trying to use. |
| 21:38.03 | nevcairiel | thats one thing I also dont get, for me "should of" and "should have" just sound different |
| 21:38.16 | nevcairiel | but maybe i just dont speak lazy-american-slacker-slang |
| 21:38.20 | foxlit | nah, both are just v. |
| 21:38.28 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: I will cut you. |
| 21:38.50 | nevcairiel | should of doesnt even make sense, mind you |
| 21:39.08 | foxlit | nothing about that substution makes sense. |
| 21:39.10 | mckenziemc | neither does "used to" |
| 21:39.11 | Gnarfoz | should'f-sound |
| 21:39.26 | nevcairiel | parody is at least a word you could put in place of parity, even if it makes for ridicule |
| 21:39.41 | Gnarfoz | definately, nevcairiel |
| 21:39.55 | mckenziemc | aaaaauuugh |
| 21:39.57 | Gnarfoz | our existance depends on it |
| 21:39.59 | mckenziemc | make it stop :( |
| 21:40.04 | foxlit | defiantly, Gnarfoz. |
| 21:40.40 | Unkle | Look, English doesn't just borrow words from other languages. It doesn't just have the most confusing ruleset for grammar in the history of language. I mean what do you expect from a language that follows others into dark alleys, clubs them, and rifles their jackets for loose grammar? |
| 21:41.00 | foxlit | I'm reasonably sure that's a quote |
| 21:41.18 | Gnarfoz | are you quiet sure? |
| 21:41.37 | foxlit | rifling jackets makes no sense, though. |
| 21:41.51 | Unkle | cuts Gnarfoz with a dangling participle. |
| 21:42.02 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: sure it does |
| 21:42.15 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I'd think "should of" came from "should've" since "of" is typically pronounced as "uv" |
| 21:42.20 | Torhal | Still, though, makes no fucking sense. |
| 21:42.28 | foxlit | you rifle pockets, not jackets. |
| 21:42.35 | nevcairiel | jacket pockets then |
| 21:42.42 | Unkle | cutting groves on the inside of a jacket to improve the stability of projectiles leaving said jacket? |
| 21:42.44 | Amarande | yeah, we are talking about the English language here heh |
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| 21:43.01 | Gnarfoz | "search through something in a hurried way in order to find or steal something", pockets are part of jackets, searching the jackets seems fine |
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| 21:43.12 | nevcairiel | but dont worry Unkle, we butcher our own language plenty, usually with stupid things imported from the english language which then get used and pronounced hilariously wrong |
| 21:43.23 | Gnarfoz | *American language, mostly |
| 21:43.28 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 21:43.39 | Gnarfoz | not that makes much of a difference, just an observation |
| 21:43.44 | Gnarfoz | +that |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | doesnt help that english as a language doesnt have clear pronounciation rules |
| 21:45.01 | nevcairiel | so if you never heard it right, you will repeat it wrong :d |
| 21:46.01 | Unkle | Not only that, but regional dialects in the US and UK make understanding native speakers a pain, even for other native speakers. |
| 21:46.33 | Unkle | I should have included Aus/New Zealand too. |
| 21:46.49 | nevcairiel | I find the aussies dialect cute |
| 21:47.01 | nevcairiel | at least on cute girls, but thats a given |
| 21:47.34 | Unkle | And I dig cute girls with a scots or irish brogue. |
| 21:49.33 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, some places must be a nightmare to learn proper pronunciation in |
| 21:49.35 | Amarande | like Boston |
| 21:50.17 | Torhal | Only place in the world I know of that has things called bowats. |
| 21:50.19 | Amarande | all those omitted R's (which apparently get shipped to Germany to appear in words there that have no sign whatsoever that you should pronounce them with an R at all) |
| 21:50.36 | Torhal | I wonder, if they had castles, would they have mowats? |
| 21:51.23 | Unkle | pahk the cah on Havahd yahd |
| 21:51.36 | Torhal | shudders. |
| 21:55.51 | mckenziemc | pities Tahhahl. |
| 21:56.36 | Gnarfoz | sentences Unkle to repeated forum reading, for defaming a US president |
| 21:57.13 | Unkle | A beloved and celebrated one who got shot. |
| 22:04.29 | Amarande | dammit, you mean Lincoln or Kennedy? |
| 22:04.42 | mckenziemc | oh we missed one |
| 22:04.47 | mckenziemc | "one-shotted" |
| 22:05.05 | Amarande | the only other ones who got shot were Garfield, McKinley, and Reagan |
| 22:05.24 | Amarande | don't think Garfield was in office long enough to be beloved or celebrated, and Reagan is only beloved and celebrated these days among right-wing talk show hosts |
| 22:05.51 | Amarande | the kind who still think trickle-down economics is actually viable :p |
| 22:06.47 | Amarande | ... and I forget what McKinley did besides get shot, heh |
| 22:07.22 | mckenziemc | temporarily not get shot |
| 22:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | garfielf was shot due to a debt owned by his lasaga dealer, he had a hidden life of crippling lasaga dependence |
| 22:10.16 | Unkle | We're fond of shooting our Leader in Chief. |
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| 22:32.13 | fewyn | well that mystery is solved... seems sata ports 1 and 2 on my media server are dead |
| 22:33.15 | Primer | that is unfortunate |
| 22:33.33 | fewyn | i have 8 other sata ports |
| 22:33.57 | fewyn | i only have 4 of them used |
| 22:39.11 | fewyn | at least it's not the hdds that are failing |
| 22:39.21 | fewyn | i probably need to replace the server in the near future |
| 22:39.23 | fewyn | tho |
| 22:39.28 | fewyn | not sure what i'll replace it with |
| 22:39.36 | Primer | I have a machine that possibly has a failing backplane |
| 22:40.01 | Primer | I see drives constantly throwing errors in it, and I doubt it's the actual drives |
| 22:41.41 | Amarande | Primer: this is why you build tower servers instead of rackmount ones |
| 22:41.47 | Amarande | backplane is just another point of failure :) |
| 22:41.50 | Primer | this is a tower |
| 22:42.02 | Primer | but it's a really old supermicro machine |
| 22:42.16 | Amarande | just get yourself a nice antec nineteen hundred case and build away |
| 22:42.17 | Primer | one that I took home from the office for my home dev environment |
| 22:42.23 | Primer | I have 2 such machines in my garage |
| 22:42.29 | Amarande | (if you need more drive bays than that, you seriously need an enterprise datacentre solution anyway :D) |
| 22:42.36 | Primer | both are about 8-9 years old |
| 22:42.59 | Primer | One runs the web side, the other the db |
| 22:43.04 | Primer | since both only have 8g of ram |
| 22:43.10 | Primer | each, that is |
| 22:45.07 | Primer | I really should just buy a modern MB/CPU/mem and replace both of them |
| 22:45.33 | Primer | especially since I work from home so often |
| 22:45.38 | Amarande | yeah, if you can find mobos for it, there's quad core Xeons that you can get really cheap |
| 22:45.53 | Primer | naw, I'd just get some commodity hardware |
| 22:46.01 | Primer | it need not be a "server" |
| 22:46.05 | Amarande | http://ark.intel.com/products/52578/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5687-12M-Cache-3_60-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI for instance |
| 22:46.17 | Amarande | you can find these used for about $120, and they're about the same as a modern i7 |
| 22:46.47 | Amarande | the only pain is you have to find the LGA1366 mobos to use them with |
| 22:47.33 | Primer | You seem to think I'm made of money! |
| 22:49.17 | Amarande | Primer: used they run from $120-$215 |
| 22:49.24 | Amarande | a current gen CPU of similar specs is $300+ |
| 22:50.00 | Amarande | plus less versatile, because that Xeon's an LGA1366 (the extreme tier socket from its gen) |
| 22:50.25 | Amarande | the current gen CPUs with similar specs are LGA1150's, with all the limitations that entails (less maximum RAM, painfully few PCIe lanes, etc.) |
| 22:56.59 | fewyn | lol i joined a group with 5 stacks of determination on xhul |
| 22:58.15 | Amarande | fewyn: heh wonder if they're those same bozos that vote kicked me from shado-pan monastery back in the day |
| 22:58.44 | fewyn | we can only hope Amarande |
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| 23:04.45 | fewyn | this group is all kinds of special |
| 23:07.16 | Amarande | fewyn: just be careful not to try to correct them in chat :( |
| 23:07.25 | Amarande | that's how I got vote kicked in Shado-Pan, heh |
| 23:07.41 | fewyn | i dropped group after a wipe |
| 23:07.43 | Amarande | they were all a bunch of friends playing together and got tired of being told how many mistakes they were making |
| 23:07.45 | fewyn | so i didn't get deserter |
| 23:07.57 | Amarande | I wonder if they ever finished the instance :S |
| 23:08.23 | Primer | I know groups like that |
| 23:08.57 | Amarande | Primer: yeah, it's friggin hell being a mid-tier MMO player |
| 23:09.07 | Amarande | it's probably why I change MMOs so often |
| 23:09.12 | Primer | 9/13 normal HFC. One time I joined them, and the raid leader pulled me aside and told me "No comments on people being bad. I know they're bad. We're a happy group, and we tolerate the bad people." |
| 23:09.28 | Amarande | I have the gaming aptitude but not the time to be getting into hardcore raiding, so I don't get to hang much with the top tier crowd |
| 23:09.44 | Amarande | and meanwhile, the casual scrub crowd often has a really bad case of tall poppy syndrome |
| 23:10.27 | Primer | I'm hardly hardcore either. I would not put up with someone wanting to boot me for making one mistake on the 20th wipe. |
| 23:10.40 | Amarande | sadly, actually this is a problem in practically every game that readily resolves itself into skill/dedication tiers it seems :( |
| 23:10.48 | Amarande | hell, even Yahoo card games has that kind of issue |
| 23:11.27 | Amarande | Get too good at Spades and people will start kicking you out because of it (which also mashes your rating because every time you get booted it either counts as a loss, or as whatever your REPLACEMENT manages for the game without you, I forget which) |
| 23:11.29 | Primer | I've been doing a lot of RBGs lately. I had another lock in the group start shit-talking about how he "did 2m more damage than another lock that has 5 item levels on me" |
| 23:11.38 | Primer | My retort was "That other lock did 4x the CC you did." |
| 23:11.52 | Amarande | Don't have a five-handed Sheepshead rating? Pretty much forget about being able to play any public Sheepshead tables. That kind of thing. |
| 23:12.06 | Primer | And he goes "CC doesn't matter!" |
| 23:12.15 | Primer | at which point 3-4 people left the group |
| 23:12.18 | Amarande | Primer: this is why control classes have popularity problems :( |
| 23:12.26 | Amarande | I'm thinking back to GW1 Mesmers now |
| 23:12.29 | Primer | warlocks do a ton of CC |
| 23:12.38 | Amarande | PvE Mesmers were *rare* |
| 23:12.45 | Primer | especially when you hit a whole group with shadowfury |
| 23:18.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Alexia (~Alexia@c-68-35-155-36.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:33.30 | Primer | It seems I'm taking my son to this: http://www.songkick.com/festivals/1016933-knotfest/id/24214384-knotfest-2015#lineup |
| 23:34.23 | Primer | I told him that's the same place where the US Festival was held back in 1983. I was there for heavy metal day |
| 23:35.22 | Primer | Oh, and we're going to see Motorhead on the 19th |
| 23:35.37 | Primer | I looked up Lemmy on wikipedia...he's 69 years old |
| 23:47.48 | Neffi | replaces one of Torhal's cats with a racoon and waits to see how long it takes for Torhal to notice. |
