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| 06:47.58 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:47.59 | Fisker | I did it |
| 06:48.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:48.10 | Shirik | good job |
| 06:48.33 | Fisker | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/microsoft.public.windows.powershell/JWB5yueLtrg/k0zeUUxAkTMJ |
| 06:49.07 | Fisker | 5+ year old obscure bugs that still exists |
| 06:49.11 | Fisker | #JustMicrosoftThings |
| 06:53.21 | Fisker | Hold me Shirik |
| 06:53.45 | mckenziemc | the windows bug has been around for a lot longer than 5 years Fisker |
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| 07:29.04 | Industrial | O no she di'ent! http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3021 |
| 07:29.22 | Industrial | FINALLY |
| 07:29.40 | Industrial | has been reading this comic for 5+ years to get to this moment. |
| 07:29.54 | Industrial | YAAAAY :D \o/ |
| 07:31.23 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 07:34.48 | Industrial | what I knew it would happen |
| 07:34.51 | Industrial | xD |
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| 07:45.31 | Reflekxion | If I was wanting to get a list of items directly from WoW, what API or other source would I need to look for? (I guess it'd be much like where WoWHead and others get their lists from) |
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| 07:54.43 | Neffiphone | Reflekxion I think they scrape the dbcs but you could scan the tooltip |
| 07:55.31 | Neffiphone | start at 1, set the tooltip to 'item:1', scrape info, increment l. may take time to set the tooltip if its not in your cache |
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| 08:02.40 | bluspacecow | *noms on Fisker* |
| 08:06.03 | mckenziemc | defaces bluspacecow |
| 08:06.04 | Dagmar | Prolly shouldn't do that. |
| 08:06.14 | bluspacecow | y u do dat |
| 08:06.15 | Dagmar | You don't know where that Fisker's been |
| 08:06.21 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 08:06.25 | bluspacecow | *spits out* |
| 08:07.32 | bluspacecow | *gently drys Fisker with a towel* |
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| 09:08.56 | haste | Fisker: why do danish people write so much in negation?! |
| 09:09.08 | Fisker | Why don't you not haste ? |
| 09:09.45 | haste | "tror du ikke jeg" "så vil du ikke sørge" gah |
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| 09:32.42 | Semlar | we won neffi, we beat the game |
| 09:58.49 | foxlit | wouldn't it be great if they didn't, haste? |
| 09:59.01 | haste | D: |
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| 11:42.57 | nebula169 | guess harm works |
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| 11:54.45 | nevcairiel | @target is kind of implied |
| 12:01.18 | nebula169 | yea, i was dumb, harm is exactly what i wanted |
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| 15:45.35 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 15:45.37 | Fisker | Potentially |
| 15:46.16 | Unkle | This is Unkle-Actual. |
| 15:47.25 | cogwheel | doot doot |
| 15:48.10 | Unkle | Heya cogwheel! |
| 15:48.31 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 15:48.48 | Fisker | No heys for Fiskers |
| 15:48.57 | Fisker | I see how it is |
| 15:49.01 | Unkle | ohai fiskerdin |
| 15:49.19 | Fisker | misses Lopeppeppy |
| 15:52.05 | cogwheel | Hay Fisker http://www.breakingnews.ie/media/images/d/DiscoverJapaneseHay_large.jpg |
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| 15:52.28 | Unkle | that. is. awesome. |
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| 16:44.32 | Shirik | how to piss off your investors: go wing walking while you're managing 3 big money high-tech startups |
| 16:44.50 | Shirik | debating whether or not tesla being down today is because of that |
| 16:50.04 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 16:53.35 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:53.51 | Fisker | Hey |
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| 17:09.37 | zenzelezz | so, in a public statement, Funcom is "actively seeking interested parties for discussions surrounding a possible investment, acquisition, merger, or any other available options". I'm no businessman, but that sounds somewhat dire, given the choice of words |
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| 17:10.40 | mckenziemc | they need to merge with Zombocom |
| 17:10.58 | mckenziemc | you can do anything fun at zombofuncom? |
| 17:13.53 | Unkle | zenzelezz: That's not uncommon language for a company with something of value but not a lot of cash. |
| 17:14.26 | zenzelezz | Unkle: I think the question here is whether you can claim that Funcom has anything of value anymore |
| 17:14.41 | zenzelezz | or sufficient, to be more specific |
| 17:15.27 | Unkle | The Conan license is probably worth /something/ but probably not enough to rescue them. |
| 17:16.05 | zenzelezz | how so? I thought they would be the ones licensing it from someone |
| 17:18.46 | Unkle | Having a license is often transferable in the event of acquisition. So, whomever wanted to make a "Conan the Barbarian" game for mobile but didn't get the license, and has money might want to buy Funcom in order to get the license. |
| 17:18.58 | Unkle | as an example. |
| 17:19.19 | Unkle | VASTLY simplified, and without knowledge of specifics of their license. |
| 17:19.24 | zenzelezz | oh, I see |
| 17:19.42 | zenzelezz | maybe even the LEGO one might help then |
| 17:20.07 | Unkle | Right. Unless the rights owners can cancel the licenses. |
| 17:21.17 | Unkle | But the paragraph you quoted makes me think they're in a cash-constrained position and are looking to hang in there until they can pump out something they believe will be a success. |
| 17:21.40 | Unkle | They could also be delusional - which is pretty likely. |
| 17:24.23 | zenzelezz | seeing what they've been doing the last few years, I'd have to agree |
| 17:24.44 | zenzelezz | not exactly been short on internal shuffling |
| 17:29.27 | Unkle | But considering that EQ is still in business all these years later, I guess you can hang in there with a crappy game... |
| 17:29.47 | zenzelezz | EQ has had some stronger backers along the way |
| 17:29.50 | zenzelezz | but yes |
| 17:30.23 | Torhal | Train to zone, Unkle. |
| 17:36.23 | Unkle | Torhal: It's the GNOLL Train! |
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| 17:42.13 | Shirik | today, filed under "best headlines" |
| 17:42.16 | Shirik | "Pollution flowing faster than facts in EPA spill" |
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| 17:45.44 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 17:48.42 | karl_w_w | do the resident evil movies get any better after the first one? |
| 17:50.18 | zenzelezz | you crack me up karl_w_w |
| 17:50.44 | karl_w_w | so that's a yes? :P |
| 17:51.03 | zenzelezz | hardly |
| 17:51.18 | zenzelezz | matter of opinion of course, but only the first sequel was worth it in my opinion |
| 18:06.31 | Unkle | They are HILARIOUSLY bad. But Mila kicking zombie ass is fun. |
| 18:20.05 | karl_w_w | i cant get mpc to show subtitles |
| 18:20.09 | karl_w_w | the world has ended |
| 18:23.43 | zenzelezz | it's to protect your sanity |
| 18:25.34 | karl_w_w | they are selected |
| 18:25.45 | karl_w_w | they just arent showing up on the screen |
| 18:33.50 | karl_w_w | save me nevcairiel :P |
| 18:35.11 | nevcairiel | make sure you select a video renderer in the options that supports subtitles |
| 18:36.13 | karl_w_w | madvr |
| 18:36.32 | karl_w_w | perhaps I shall just remove everything and reinstall |
| 18:40.52 | _Kasc | Can anyone explain why sometimes, RCLootCouncil blocks the placing of raid markers but a /reload doesn't fix it? I understand its because of a taint but I don't really get what that is |
| 18:42.00 | mckenziemc | uninstalls karl_w_w and doesn't re-install. |
| 18:44.24 | Stanzilla | _Kasc: taint spreads |
| 18:44.46 | Stanzilla | so if it starts at one thing, eventually everything will break if you don't reload ui |
| 18:47.54 | _Kasc | As I said, a reload didn't fix it |
| 18:48.37 | karl_w_w | so it's tainting on load |
| 18:49.13 | _Kasc | Even though RCLootCouncil is the addon blocking it, is it incorrect to assume that RCL is the culprit? |
| 18:50.54 | Unkle | Well, that's the AddOn that the UI engine complained about, but it might not actually be the one who tainted the execution path. It is the place you should start looking though. |
| 18:51.27 | Unkle | see: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Taint |
| 18:58.08 | foxlit | "but it might not actually be the one who tainted the execution path" << to date, nobody has been able to show that this isn't bullshit. |
| 18:58.37 | _Kasc | Alright, thanks |
| 19:01.12 | mckenziemc | removes foxlit's taint. |
| 19:01.28 | Unkle | Well, that's going to be ... uncomfortable. |
| 19:05.51 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:10.18 | mckenziemc | it's always that addon or one of its embeds though, isn't it? |
| 19:11.05 | Unkle | It's not Lupus. It's never Lupus. |
| 19:11.10 | mckenziemc | (plus possibly other addons that would cause the same taint without using the same embeds) |
| 19:17.11 | mckenziemc | actually i suspect it would be more complicated than just that :( |
| 19:18.21 | Stanzilla | _Kasc: it is RCL because it's doing it for all of us using it ::p |
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| 19:23.20 | phelps | so, the wow lua package isn't on github anyone, anyone have a copy of it ? |
| 19:23.21 | phelps | https://github.com/frodzet/SublimeWoWDevelopment |
| 19:45.18 | Stanzilla | eh it was never really finished |
| 19:46.04 | mckenziemc | probably why it was on github Stanzilla |
| 19:46.11 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 19:46.30 | Stanzilla | is that a joke on how everything on github is unfinished? |
| 19:46.50 | mckenziemc | *facepalm* no |
| 19:47.00 | phelps | it worked great and now its gone |
| 19:53.48 | Primer | What did it do? |
| 19:55.15 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/6abc.ActionNews/photos/a.425296316377.213686.9335481377/10153131810431378/?type=1&comment_id=10153131829051378&offset=0&total_comments=421&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D ;) |
| 20:01.48 | phelps | Primer, for me, added the wow lua functions to the normal auto-complete that sublime does |
| 20:02.11 | phelps | I just used it as a function reference so I knew for sure that I was using the correct function name |
| 20:03.24 | phelps | I have 10 or so programming languages up in my head along with their frameworks and shit, I can't remember every function and its nice to see a list of them as I start typing it our |
| 20:03.27 | phelps | out* |
| 20:05.21 | phelps | like frame event handlers or other methods |
| 20:12.40 | Primer | I would have had a use for that a while ago, but I hardly even update the TOC on my addons any more |
| 20:13.37 | Stanzilla | nebula169 has a txt with a list of wowapis that you could use for autocomplete suggestions |
| 20:14.45 | Stanzilla | we use it as whitelist for a linter so they dont get flagged as globals |
| 20:15.06 | foxlit | you can easily get whatever list you wanted by writing an addon to do it. |
| 20:15.25 | foxlit | but how can you write addons without autocomplete? |
| 20:15.27 | foxlit | It's a mystery to everyone. |
| 20:15.34 | Semlar | puts foxlit on a list |
| 20:15.38 | Primer | type faster |
| 20:16.04 | phelps | its quicker than checking wowprogramming.com or reloading to see if the method name is correct |
| 20:16.13 | phelps | when it just pops down and you know its correct |
| 20:16.22 | Semlar | why haven't you just memorized the entire api |
| 20:17.03 | phelps | see previous message, I can't memorize every programming language and framework I use, they're all jumbled up in there |
| 20:17.45 | Stanzilla | wowprogramming is not up to date aynway |
| 20:18.22 | phelps | up to date enough for me, frame functions don't really change |
| 20:21.01 | foxlit | I guess things depend on what you're writing |
| 20:21.55 | foxlit | "looking up Blizzard API functions" is probably not going to show up on my addon-writing-time pie chart |
| 20:29.40 | Unkle | foxlit: It is dangerous to code alone. Here, take this |
| 20:30.26 | Semlar | what is he going to do with a sword |
| 20:32.52 | foxlit | function E.GetEquipmentSetInfoByName(...) |
| 20:32.52 | foxlit | return GetEquipmentSetInfoByName(_G.GetEquipmentSetInfoByName(...)) |
| 20:32.53 | foxlit | end |
| 20:33.45 | nevcairiel | foxlit is doing evil things again |
| 20:34.08 | foxlit | too busy for evil things, this is just lazy things. |
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| 20:36.07 | foxlit | but excellent evil things lined up, np. |
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| 20:45.57 | Semlar | no foxlit, being evil is bad |
| 20:47.20 | Unkle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuIg8uF9geM |
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| 20:50.46 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.06 | Unkle | Reading the comments? |
| 20:54.21 | foxlit | not that far down; video description. |
| 20:55.09 | Unkle | I skipped it. I went searching for that clip based on having seen the movie in '92. |
| 20:58.33 | Outrider | asset("evil doesn't exist"); |
| 20:58.40 | Stanzilla | https://abc.xyz/ |
| 20:58.47 | Stanzilla | had to check it is not april 1st |
| 21:01.13 | foxlit | new gtlds are a little arbitrary |
| 21:02.38 | Unkle | debating renting a mobility scooter for BlizzCon. |
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| 21:22.33 | nevcairiel | foxlit: with enough money you can reg any tld now |
| 21:23.38 | wodim | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HwoBZ8GGuC8/VckWTvE_eMI/AAAAAAAAthU/eR6ypt3xgtw/s0/2015-08-10_23-23-21.png |
| 21:23.41 | wodim | anybody knows what this addon is? |
| 21:23.46 | foxlit | how much is enough? |
| 21:23.52 | wodim | carbonite? |
| 21:25.00 | nevcairiel | foxlit: no idea |
| 21:25.27 | nevcairiel | but some cities do it, so its probably not too expensive |
| 21:26.20 | nevcairiel | The evaluation fee is estimated at US$185,000. |
| 21:26.40 | kullervo | wodim: could be anything |
| 21:26.46 | wodim | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.49 | wodim | hence I ask lol |
| 21:26.52 | wodim | maybe someone recognises it |
| 21:27.14 | kullervo | why do you care, if it could be anything just take "Anything" and make it look like that |
| 21:27.36 | nevcairiel | yeah can probably make some of the highly configurable unit addons look like that |
| 21:27.40 | nevcairiel | or oUF if you wanted to |
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| 21:27.56 | wodim | wtf? |
| 21:28.09 | kullervo | hell, I could make that with Weak Auras if I wanted to |
| 21:28.17 | wodim | I reset my settings and I got that. |
| 21:28.23 | wodim | So, any addon that does that by default. |
| 21:28.31 | nevcairiel | you can replace any addon with WA if you wanted to |
| 21:28.34 | nevcairiel | its probably not a good idea |
| 21:28.36 | nevcairiel | but you could! |
| 21:29.19 | kullervo | oh it's from your own UI, why didn't you say it |
| 21:29.36 | foxlit | can't replace WA with WA. |
| 21:29.43 | foxlit | </semantics> |
| 21:29.54 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you can |
| 21:30.03 | foxlit | but then who is dog? |
| 21:30.05 | wodim | kullervo: I asked what addons does that by default. |
| 21:30.06 | nevcairiel | but its just the same after as it was before |
| 21:30.16 | wodim | addon* |
| 21:30.28 | kullervo | wodim: yes and we offered an engineer solution because you didn't provide enough information |
| 21:30.51 | nevcairiel | the thing is, most people know the addons they have installed, and when they ask something like that, they usually want to find one they dont have yet to replicate that functionality, hence our comments :p |
| 21:31.19 | foxlit | (the implied meaning was "you can't replace the WA addon with a WA aura") |
| 21:31.33 | kullervo | if it's your own addon, why don't you just use framestack to find out |
| 21:32.22 | wodim | I guess you are trolling |
| 21:33.11 | wodim | Now that I remember I think there was some way to know which addon was generating which frame? |
| 21:33.16 | wodim | Or maybe it was a dream. |
| 21:33.58 | nevcairiel | you can start by using framestack to find out if it has conveniently named frames to identify it, like kullervo suggested |
| 21:34.32 | wodim | yeah that was |
| 21:34.59 | wodim | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2089112505 |
| 21:35.00 | wodim | haha cool. |
| 21:35.23 | wodim | I'm not the first one to be bit |
| 21:36.00 | wodim | Well actually it's not the same. |
| 21:36.02 | wodim | No idea. |
| 21:36.06 | wodim | Frames have no distinctive names. |
| 21:37.05 | wodim | Ah it was fucking Carbonite. |
| 21:37.05 | Semlar | remember foxlit spelled backwards is tilfox |
| 21:37.14 | Semlar | wait i fucked that up |
| 21:37.26 | nevcairiel | lol Semlar |
| 21:37.41 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:37.42 | nevcairiel | ralmes the great |
| 21:37.56 | Unkle | No Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and /no Semlar/. |
| 21:38.01 | Semlar | D: |
| 21:39.43 | Mihau | Ralmes! |
| 21:44.10 | Neffiphone | removes Semlar's head and then re-attaches it backwards. |
| 21:44.37 | Semlar | rude |
| 21:45.05 | Neffiphone | oh sorry |
| 22:05.43 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 22:05.43 | purl | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 22:07.36 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 22:07.36 | purl | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 22:08.25 | kullervo | I'd be seriously worried if that test resulted in packet loss |
| 22:15.59 | mckenziemc | it can, but that's when you don't get the message |
| 22:16.05 | mckenziemc | purl disappears sometimes :p |
| 22:22.58 | Stanzilla | nacNvidia GeForce-Treiber Beta 355.00.05 (OpenGL 2015/ES 3.2) (Linux) |
| 22:23.02 | Stanzilla | http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=565792 |
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| 22:49.13 | Outrider | who all is going to Blizzcon? Is there some cool meetup thingy we do? |
| 22:49.21 | Outrider | or even a lame meetup? |
| 22:49.45 | Unkle | There are super cool meet ups. |
| 22:49.55 | Outrider | oh yah, I'd like to get in on that |
| 22:52.08 | Unkle | Just follow the channel and the threads on the WoWinterface forum. |
| 22:52.23 | foxlit | I hear cool people get invites by owl. |
| 22:52.35 | Outrider | that'd be nice |
| 22:54.48 | Unkle | Pffft. I get my invites via a Felguard slamming an ax into my front door. |
| 22:55.51 | foxlit | I'm not convinced that's an invitation. |
| 22:56.28 | Unkle | Well, a reminder then. |
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| 23:00.46 | Outrider | isn't that how all ex girlfriend break up with you though Unkle ? |
| 23:01.05 | foxlit | I dislike whoever decided that functions returning icons can now arbitrarily choose to return file IDs instead of paths. |
| 23:02.34 | Unkle | No. Most of them use poison. Or guns. |
| 23:02.53 | foxlit | well done, you saved a string allocation. And now I'm going to have to call type(), branch, assign the file ID to a texture widget, and then fish out the path that way. Efficiency. |
| 23:04.12 | mckenziemc | saves foxlit, before it's too late. |
| 23:04.15 | Outrider | Theres a nice article on a guy who refactors the hell out of a standard fizzbuzz test |
| 23:04.48 | Unkle | mckenziemc: File system I/O has been disabled. |
| 23:04.49 | Outrider | by the 4th or 5th refactor, while it was considered 'good' software practices the thing was impossible to understand for any average dev. |
| 23:11.33 | Simca | <foxlit> well done, you saved a string allocation. And now I'm going to have to call type(), branch, assign the file ID to a texture widget, and then fish out the path that way. Efficiency. |
| 23:11.48 | Simca | you just described blizzard entertainment programming mentality in a sentence |
| 23:12.04 | Outrider | speaking from experience Simca ? |
| 23:12.28 | Simca | end-user experience but extensive experience |
| 23:13.14 | mckenziemc | try disabling all your addons Simca |
| 23:13.29 | Simca | disables mckenziemc |
| 23:13.42 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 23:21.22 | mckenziemc | oh thanks Blizzard, i really wanted Logging to go in the blank spot i happened to have on my bar |
| 23:22.35 | Gnarfoz | they're helpful like that, mckenziemc |
| 23:23.10 | foxlit | it's funnier because you log by right-clicking on things, making the ability entirely useless. |
| 23:24.36 | mckenziemc | :) |
| 23:26.15 | mckenziemc | apparently you can click on Logging and then on the tree in front of you instead |
| 23:30.47 | kullervo | why would you, if a single click is enough? |
| 23:30.47 | mckenziemc | forces foxlit to use one of those one-button mice macs used to come with. |
| 23:31.01 | mckenziemc | at least i hope they don't make those anymore :o |
| 23:32.07 | foxlit | â-click, np. |
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| 23:32.23 | mckenziemc | requires keyboard! |
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