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| 00:57.17 | karl_w_w | seems that anandtech review was flawed, other reviews are more like this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-8.html |
| 00:57.35 | karl_w_w | skylake maybe a 10% gain over haswell |
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| 01:05.24 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.29 | Kraps | oh dear |
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| 01:12.50 | Amarande | Kraps: that's what happens when you follow blizzard's expansion strategy |
| 01:13.14 | Amarande | "let's release expansions twice as often, charge 25% more for each one on top of that, and oh, the first one out will be a horribly lukewarm experience, too" |
| 01:13.33 | Amarande | not that the last was probably an intended part of the strategy, but it's how it went :P |
| 01:13.51 | Jamash | imo wrath was the best because it had the best story, and so they made really great content that was supported by and in turn supported the story |
| 01:14.14 | Jamash | and they have not come up with a new storyline yet to provide that level of coherent storytelling |
| 01:14.19 | Amarande | "and meanwhile we'll keep eliminating more and more of the parts of the game so it becomes a less and less interesting fest of 'show up each week for raid' like it's an FPS where you can just jump in whenever" |
| 01:15.05 | Amarande | I remember when crafting was a beloved part of the game. I still remember going out there and gathering bits and pieces on my miner to get Wrath crafted pieces made for my DK |
| 01:15.06 | Jamash | cata was a mess, mists was great but too isolated, warlords is literally retreading old ground |
| 01:15.15 | Amarande | every expansion since then, they've steadily gutted crafting |
| 01:15.33 | Amarande | "because it's too much preparation time for the raider wannabes" |
| 01:15.35 | Jamash | they need to figure out a way to make WoW's story support itself without having the RTS storyline to draw on |
| 01:16.08 | Amarande | they did away with the more complex and interesting matters of gearing up "so you don't have to take extra time and can just equip the new item" |
| 01:16.28 | Amarande | basically, it seems like they just want you to be able to log on and run the latest instance |
| 01:16.39 | Jamash | Amarande: nothing wrong with that |
| 01:16.52 | Amarande | perhaps it's still a bit ranty and facetious, but one could be surprised they still even have leveling, why not just bump people up to cap each new xpac so they don't even have to spend time on that :P |
| 01:17.01 | Jamash | I have a lot more other games I want to play that aren't wow, I don't want to spend 30 hours a week on WoW anymore |
| 01:17.24 | Jamash | Amarande: works for me |
| 01:17.33 | Jamash | levels are dumb |
| 01:17.40 | Amarande | Jamash: trouble is then you have most people log on once a week to run the raid and that's about it |
| 01:17.56 | Amarande | and since people don't all play on the same schedule, you end up with an even sparser still social distribution |
| 01:18.17 | Amarande | (and we have garrisons, which more or less took away most of the incentive to actually socialise with your fellow player apart from need to do so for a raid) |
| 01:18.24 | Jamash | Amarande: But what is the alternative, taking into account the huge evolution in the market that's taken place since then? |
| 01:18.50 | Amarande | Jamash: so basically we water down games to cater to watered down gamers ... that doesn't say much for gaming :| |
| 01:18.57 | Jamash | imo garrison tablet app would actually make me log in to play more because I could do my OCD busywork away from the desktop |
| 01:19.35 | Amarande | the idea that facebook style games are the primary future of gaming is not one we want to embrace :P |
| 01:20.05 | Amarande | this seems to be a pretty common sentiment, given the number of people I know who have gone to full-on "SEND ME A CANDY CRUSH REQUEST AND I WILL BLOCK YOU" posts |
| 01:20.45 | Amarande | and hell, even *Candy Crush* is apparently deciding it's too demanding ... I've been told if you fail a level enough times now the Tooth Fairy comes along and bumps you ahead to the next level :P |
| 01:21.47 | Jamash | Amarande: the market is too diverse for one game to appeal to everyone; trying to make a game that appeals to everyone leads to a game that appeals to nobody. The question is, who actually wants a subscription MMO, and what do they want to do inside it? |
| 01:22.19 | Amarande | and yet game devs feel obligated to make games appeal to everyone |
| 01:22.47 | Amarande | if you or I created something interesting and creative and, say, 50,000, hell even 10,000 people were interested, we'd be like "whoo yay, lots of people love my idea" |
| 01:22.59 | Amarande | these days, if game devs get 500,000 sales it's regarded as borderline to abject failure |
| 01:24.37 | Jamash | Amarande: And thus chasing graphical highs comes back to bite AAA game development on the ass |
| 01:25.01 | Amarande | as for who wants a subscription MMO, that would be all of us who like the idea of being able to pay a flat fee to play a persistent world game instead of having to constantly shell out a little here and there that adds up to monastic poverty like the free-to-play ones tend to demand |
| 01:25.42 | Amarande | f2p's sometimes get way too overboard on that, seriously. e.g., a single top tier enchant in neverwinter costs more than a whole year of wow (if you pay 6 months of wow at a time) |
| 01:26.29 | Jamash | My guild's dead. I'm not sure I can set up a schedule to be online with the people I know in real life. I think maybe I might be done with WoW :( |
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| 01:26.43 | Amarande | I find that when I do resub to WoW I end up staying on for shorter and shorter times |
| 01:26.58 | Jamash | on the other hand I might just be poor and have a 6 year old PC |
| 01:27.50 | Amarande | FFXIV seems to have much more promise, which makes one wonder, where did WoW screw up |
| 01:28.02 | Jamash | FFXIV looks bad |
| 01:28.19 | Amarande | the main problem I had with FFXIV is that it required BC-level amounts of attendance in order to be part of a competent static |
| 01:29.17 | Amarande | I suspect WoW may have screwed up when they did away with forced progression paths |
| 01:29.25 | Amarande | except *that* ... yeah, gamers have only themselves to blame |
| 01:29.40 | Amarande | maybe if gamers were more willing to help each other out with previous content (as is in fact the case with FFXIV players in general) |
| 01:29.56 | Jamash | I hear the combat's good |
| 01:29.59 | Amarande | Blizzard wouldn't have felt the need to gut things down to "only the one latest raid instance has any relevance" |
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| 01:30.54 | Jamash | the secret is that gear and level shouldn't matter and you should play the content because it's enjoyable |
| 01:31.02 | Amarande | which I'm pretty sure was a reaction to so many frustrated players (myself included, back in BC) being "I can't get anywhere in raiding because everyone has moved on and I can't catch up" |
| 01:31.32 | Amarande | Yeah, ArenaNet knew a good idea when they saw it with how GW1 handled that |
| 01:32.05 | Amarande | top level and top gear were obtained easily, missions were for the storyline, grinding out hard content was for getting rare shinies that, however, only had cosmetic cred, not inherent superiority |
| 01:32.12 | Jamash | Amarande: Or being told to suck it because 10-man raiding was an adjunct to 25-man and there was no progression from Kara to ZA |
| 01:33.04 | Jamash | Amarande: Exactly. I've never been happy with wow's gear-based progression. |
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| 01:33.31 | Amarande | Plus Blizzard simplified things too much, apparently confusing the casual player (as in those of us who don't have 24/8 to be on WoW) with the incompetent player (who feels entitled to see the content despite having all the RPG skills of a limp noodle and no desire to learn them) |
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| 01:33.48 | Amarande | FFXIV succeeds because it actually holds your attention during most content |
| 01:34.12 | Jamash | maybe Overwatch *should* be the next wow expansion |
| 01:34.20 | Amarande | I may feel like a half-assed Black Mage when I have to just spam Blizzard the whole fight in lower level dungeons because that's all the threat the tank can keep up with |
| 01:34.30 | Amarande | but on the other hand, the fact that I actually *have to pay attention to that* is refreshing |
| 01:35.10 | Jamash | I think we're running into the fact that the wow combat engine is more than a decade old and just isn't very interesting |
| 01:35.48 | Amarande | and yet games with much more interesting combat have still failed :( |
| 01:35.56 | Jamash | If they announce major upgrades to the combat itself that would get me excited |
| 01:36.13 | Jamash | not adding too many abilities or chopping out too many abilities, a fundamental architectural change |
| 01:36.33 | Jamash | I'm not sure it's possible though |
| 01:36.34 | Amarande | Shin Megami Tensei online has gone back to Japan only, the Western servers shutdown ... LOTRO has shrunk down to ten servers, and I'm still not sure Turbine even has got any plans for what to do post Mordor, and we're already at Gondor |
| 01:36.49 | Jamash | "post mordor" = go home to shire and retire |
| 01:37.03 | Jamash | that's canon |
| 01:37.06 | Amarande | Jamash: that makes for a relatively dull MMO |
| 01:37.21 | Amarande | that makes for ... HEPO? Hobbits Eating Pies Online? |
| 01:37.38 | Jamash | maybe heroes of the storm and hearthstone are better games than wow |
| 01:37.43 | Jamash | (gasp) |
| 01:38.09 | Amarande | well hearthstone is still a fairly fresh concept |
| 01:38.14 | Jamash | for that matter, maybe terraria is a better game than wow |
| 01:38.26 | Amarande | I don't think we've had much in the way of large scale online card battle games besides HS |
| 01:38.36 | Amarande | well, there's magic online but that's way way too P2W AFAIK |
| 01:38.57 | Amarande | kinda like magic in general, come to think of it, which is why I rarely play anymore outside of drafts |
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| 01:40.09 | Amarande | yeah, hearthstone is pretty much the first online card-battle game that isn't hopelessly p2w |
| 01:41.00 | Amarande | it's a pity SMT online died out in the west because Megaten games have always had very interesting battle mechanics |
| 01:41.13 | Amarande | I have a feeling 64 bit windows pretty much killed it :( |
| 01:41.50 | Jamash | I gave up on Magic in...1996 |
| 01:42.16 | Jamash | when I realized it was a bottomless hole in which money disappears never to be seen again |
| 01:43.15 | Jamash | and I didn't want to pay $100s of dollars on cards every year just to be reasonably competitive |
| 01:43.47 | Amarande | yeah, for me it'd be even worse to try to play in general because I very much prefer vintage when it comes to free construction, none of this rotating block bullshit |
| 01:43.54 | Amarande | except ... I've also found I like to play blue lately |
| 01:44.06 | Amarande | and it's practically impossible to have a blue deck without fucking Ancestral Recall |
| 01:44.20 | Amarande | yay, that'd be about $1000 down the hatch for one bloody card |
| 01:44.29 | Jamash | I'm astounded anyone still plays magic |
| 01:44.38 | Jamash | I'd have thought they'd have driven everyone away by now |
| 01:44.57 | Jamash | my friends still play and I just can't understand it |
| 01:45.00 | Amarande | well, it's not like you can play hearthstone offline |
| 01:45.13 | Amarande | and none of the other major CCGs have really seemed to hold interest anywhere close to as well |
| 01:45.20 | Jamash | it's not like I can play magic the gathering without paying hundreds of dollars |
| 01:45.28 | Jamash | I can play hearthstone without paying hundreds of dollars |
| 01:45.33 | Amarande | (I suspect part of it is dick moves like patenting core game mechanics that you practically can't make a decent ccg without) |
| 01:45.35 | Jamash | hearthstone is an objectively superior game |
| 01:45.48 | Jamash | what? you can't patent game mechanics |
| 01:46.06 | Amarande | like, look at say Yu-Gi-Oh, one of the issues there was the lack of a really effective system of cost |
| 01:46.28 | Amarande | and I'm sure part of the reason cost systems are regularly troublesome is that wizards of the coast took out a patent on the tap mechanic |
| 01:46.57 | Amarande | as a result, practically every other CCG I've seen uses sacrifice based mechanics because "tapping" is basically owned by wotc for magic |
| 01:47.10 | Jamash | That's idiotic. That patent's utterly invalid. You can't patent ideas. |
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| 01:47.35 | Amarande | except sacrifice based mechanics tend to be bullcrap because the card disadvantage incurred 99.9% of the time outweighs any advantage you get from the card you made a sacrifice to play |
| 01:47.53 | Amarande | e.g., despite what the anime may have you think, Blue-Eyes White Dragon, and oh hell even more so Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon *SUCK* |
| 01:48.29 | Amarande | all that tributing other monsters involves murderous card disadvantage and pretty much even BEUD can be eradicated in one fell swoop by any of a number of simple ordinary run of the mill removal cards |
| 01:48.45 | Jamash | Amarande: Someone should have challenged that patent at the USPTO and gotten it invalidated |
| 01:49.00 | Jamash | you can't patent game rules, only copyright them |
| 01:50.19 | Amarande | well, it was filed in late 1995 according to google, so it should be expiring soon |
| 01:50.44 | Amarande | at least the one good thing about patents is they actually realistically die eventually |
| 01:51.17 | Amarande | unlike copyrights, where pretty much unless a meteor hits the Walt Disney Company HQ head-on, the limit of public domain is and ever shall be 1923-ish :P |
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| 01:52.11 | Jamash | at least 90% of patents are invalid but enforceable, unfortunately |
| 01:52.16 | Jamash | thus the dire need for patent reform |
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| 01:54.18 | Jamash | http://patentlyo.com/patent/2014/08/these-invalid-patents.html lays out the issue |
| 02:00.52 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised if part of that issue is that USPTO makes a pretty penny off of each and every patent applied for, and then additional fees off of ones that are actually issued |
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| 02:01.24 | Amarande | you cut off a revenue stream as a government, and either the people whine that you're taxing them more or whine about how much deficit spending you're doing |
| 02:01.41 | Amarande | and call you horrible, nasty, dirty words like, oh, say, 'Republican' |
| 02:02.48 | Amarande | (if you keep spending without taxing) or if you tax more, then you get called a Democrat (and worse, the conservative pundits won't even call you 'DemocratIC' when grammatically appropriate, LOL) |
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| 02:13.35 | Jamash | basically Congress has been stealing the patent application fees that the USPTO uses to fund itself, so the USPTO can't do its job |
| 02:14.02 | Jamash | originally this was a gift to big companies so they could patent any old thing they wanted |
| 02:14.23 | Jamash | then small companies with no actual business model (patent trolls) realized they could get hundreds of millions of dollars out of big companies that actually make things |
| 02:14.46 | Jamash | and so finally there's growing consensus that the patent system should actually function as designed |
| 02:15.26 | Dagmar | ...and now we're in a place where good shit doesn't come to market because there is no fucking point in bothering if the prototype solves your personal problem and trying to round up funding just means spending 3 of every 4 dollars on legal bullshit |
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| 03:25.11 | WrathTECH | Is there an event that I am not seeing to check if the UI Scale was changed? |
| 03:26.01 | Seerah | CVAR_UPDATE? |
| 03:26.25 | WrathTECH | I haven't touched CVar's yet, not sure how to check it. |
| 03:26.45 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CVAR_UPDATE |
| 03:26.55 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars |
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| 03:27.18 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCVar (and SetCVar) |
| 03:28.58 | WrathTECH | Thank you, looks like it's easier then I assumed. |
| 03:30.08 | ccox | marco |
| 03:30.15 | Seerah | polo! |
| 03:30.21 | ccox | oh, good, itâs working. |
| 03:31.27 | Jamash | I'm hoping the new expansion is The Hunt for Sargeras |
| 03:31.30 | Jamash | gnight |
| 03:32.29 | ccox | You mean âThe BurningCataLichLords for MoMoneyâ? |
| 03:37.21 | alestane | Gods, tried to set up public key ssh authentication between two servers and it just refuses to connect. |
| 03:43.26 | jleclanche | alestane: check permissions on .ssh |
| 03:43.36 | alestane | Did that. |
| 03:43.42 | jleclanche | alestane: auth.log? |
| 03:43.54 | jleclanche | i mean /var/log/auth |
| 03:43.56 | alestane | 700 on ~/.ssh, 600 on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:44.13 | alestane | On the target server, you mean? |
| 03:44.17 | jleclanche | yes |
| 03:44.56 | alestane | No such file. |
| 03:45.39 | alestane | Interestingly, the source machine just says connections are refused on the target port. I wonder if there's some weird outgoing iptables block. |
| 03:46.11 | jleclanche | alestane: is it a systemd system? |
| 03:46.33 | alestane | No idea. |
| 03:46.37 | jleclanche | try sudo journalctl -r -u sshd |
| 03:46.47 | alestane | On the source or target machine? |
| 03:46.58 | jleclanche | target |
| 03:47.16 | alestane | journalctl: command not found |
| 03:47.28 | kd3 | not systemd then |
| 03:47.34 | Torhal | Seerah: Why the hell his he running SharedMediaLib? >.> |
| 03:47.36 | alestane | CentOS |
| 03:47.50 | jleclanche | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.53 | Seerah | no f... idea |
| 03:47.56 | Torhal | lol |
| 03:48.00 | kd3 | tail /var/log/messages |
| 03:48.39 | alestane | Oh. I'd better check my own iptables. Someone else may have been monkeying with it. |
| 03:48.56 | jleclanche | but yeah connection refused is port blocking most likely |
| 03:49.03 | jleclanche | and ensure sshd is running obviously :p |
| 03:50.12 | alestane | From my machine, I can ssh to either port (the router forwards them to two different machines). |
| 03:50.45 | alestane | But from the desired server, I can connect only to port 22. So no I'm suspecting that the machine serving the other port has been set up with a block while I wasn't looking. |
| 03:51.51 | alestane | There's a bunch of stuff that wasn't there before, not sure if any of it blocks my server. |
| 03:52.30 | alestane | The input chain includes the line |
| 03:52.30 | alestane | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh |
| 03:52.59 | znf | facebook wants what now http://i.imgur.com/7iLmaEp.png |
| 03:59.04 | alestane | Is there a log for iptables? |
| 04:03.13 | WrathTECH | Seerah, I cannot for the life of me get the CVAR_UPDATE to print to the chat frame. http://pastebin.com/iAbGejNk Trying to refresh the Viewport size on a uiScale change. |
| 04:04.03 | znf | alestane, -J LOG puts it in syslog |
| 04:05.59 | alestane | But only if the chain is set to log, right? |
| 04:06.14 | alestane | Stopping iptables doesn't appear to affect it, anyway. |
| 04:06.21 | Gethe | how would one get info on the defeated bosses for the *currently* occupied instance? |
| 04:06.27 | alestane | (for test purposes only, restarted it right away) |
| 04:08.43 | Gethe | ah nvm |
| 04:10.35 | alestane | I think the server that I'm trying to conenct FROM has some sort of filter against trying to connect ssh to werid ports. |
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| 04:22.43 | Seerah | WrathTECH: /etrace ;) |
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| 08:00.02 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.imgur.com/tHvyTck.jpg |
| 08:00.05 | Mr_Rabies | this picture |
| 08:05.12 | WrathTECH | SOmeone enlighten me as to why I can't get the event CVAR_UPDATE to work? http://pastebin.com/9Aa9ATt8 |
| 08:07.28 | haste | do the argN globals still exist? |
| 08:07.37 | mckenziemc | i don't remember how arg1 etc work if they still do but |
| 08:07.47 | haste | also shouldn't arg1 be a string with the name of the cvar? |
| 08:07.48 | mckenziemc | the values after the == should probably be in quotes |
| 08:08.59 | Shirik | please don't use arg1 and arg2 like that |
| 08:09.01 | WrathTECH | I added the quotes and still not feedback from print |
| 08:09.03 | Shirik | even if it works |
| 08:09.13 | Shirik | replace your ... with arg1, arg2 |
| 08:09.14 | WrathTECH | < Still learning :S |
| 08:10.30 | Shirik | how are you trying to trigger CVAR_UPDATE? |
| 08:10.50 | WrathTECH | Just by changing the UI scale in the menu |
| 08:11.16 | Shirik | do frames get events if they aren't shown? |
| 08:11.21 | Shirik | I forget |
| 08:11.36 | mckenziemc | i think they do but |
| 08:11.47 | WrathTECH | I've used hidden frames for events in Platter |
| 08:11.48 | mckenziemc | i guess i can tell you when i find out with my own addon i happen to be testing :) |
| 08:12.00 | Shirik | does your OnEvent handler get called ever? Like, did you try printing outside of the if statement? |
| 08:12.29 | WrathTECH | Let me try that again, |
| 08:12.30 | mckenziemc | well mine didn't work, now to figure out if that's why xD |
| 08:12.34 | Shirik | it was OnUpdate I was thinking of - OnUpdate won't get called if it's not shown |
| 08:12.51 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 08:13.19 | WrathTECH | Still no feedback with print outside the if statement. |
| 08:13.55 | WrathTECH | I might just scrap the auto-change viewport and just find another way |
| 08:15.58 | mckenziemc | oh, maybe because i'm looking in the wrong account's folder.... >.> |
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| 08:29.37 | Neffi | WrathTECH: run this and then change some cvars: /run local f=CreateFrame"Frame"; f:RegisterEvent"CVAR_UPDATE"; f:SetScript("OnEvent", print) |
| 08:29.59 | Neffi | maybe CVAR_UPDATE just isn't firing |
| 08:31.20 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.37 | Neffi | disappears |
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| 08:34.40 | WrathTECH | Didn't print anything |
| 08:35.17 | WrathTECH | So then, I was partially right with my programming? -_- |
| 08:35.38 | mckenziemc | inconclusive :) |
| 08:35.50 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 08:36.08 | WrathTECH | Oh hell what a blast leaning Lua has been xD |
| 08:37.56 | WrathTECH | *learning |
| 08:38.03 | WrathTECH | Yup, bedtime is near... |
| 08:50.51 | mckenziemc | so Neffi, how do you know purl is male |
| 08:50.57 | mckenziemc | did you turn it over and look? |
| 08:51.20 | haste | I thought purl was female |
| 08:51.22 | Neffi | but purl is female, mckenziemc |
| 08:51.29 | haste | due to some bot registration form thingy :P |
| 08:51.32 | mckenziemc | ~factinfo purl |
| 08:51.32 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 08:51.32 | purl | purl -- created by Mephs <~Mephs@c-67-172-135-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net> at Sat Feb 11 07:50:53 2012 (1272 days); last modified at Tue Jun 11 12:20:32 2013 by Neffi!~Neffi@pool-98-113-42-136.nycmny.fios.verizon.net; it has been requested 86 times, last by mckenziemc, 2m 21s ago. |
| 08:51.40 | mckenziemc | ~purl |
| 08:51.40 | purl | hmm... purl is male |
| 08:51.48 | haste | ~gender |
| 08:51.48 | purl | I'm pregnant |
| 08:51.51 | Neffi | ~whalenuke mckenziemc |
| 08:51.51 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mckenziemc with his mind powers. |
| 08:52.14 | mckenziemc | purl is also useless |
| 08:52.18 | mckenziemc | help mail doesn't work :( |
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| 08:52.33 | mckenziemc | welcome back WrathTECH |
| 08:53.09 | mckenziemc | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CVAR_UPDATE and testing confirms changing ui scale doesn't trigger CVAR_UPDATE |
| 08:53.09 | WrathTECH | Thank you |
| 08:53.44 | WrathTECH | I was afraid of that, Curious if there is another way to check for a uiScale eing changed then. |
| 08:55.40 | mckenziemc | hook SetCVar - something like 'local old_SetCVar = SetCVar; function SetCVar(...) if ... == "uiScale" then --[[stuff]] end return old_SetCVar(...) end' (just guessing details) |
| 08:57.32 | WrathTECH | Gahh... sec, I just bugged my code and can't fix it -_- |
| 08:57.43 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 08:57.57 | WrathTECH | "Attempt to perform arithmetic on global..." |
| 08:58.42 | Gnarfoz | you left out the actually interesting part of the error |
| 08:58.52 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 08:59.01 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.02 | Gnarfoz | error messages are not made to be truncated |
| 08:59.22 | Gnarfoz | I taught my mom this, and you can learn it, too! :D |
| 08:59.24 | WrathTECH | http://pastebin.com/sbszEPGA |
| 08:59.53 | WrathTECH | WrathUI\ViewPort.lua:9: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'uiScaleSetting' (a nil value) |
| 08:59.53 | WrathTECH | WrathUI\ViewPort.lua:9: in main chunk >.> |
| 09:00.23 | VIad | WrathTECH: debug 101 use print on your ... when the event happens and check how the args look :p |
| 09:00.28 | haste | WrathTECH: uiScaleSetting gets set (as a global) when the OnEvent handler runs, while line 9 will try to execute it before that |
| 09:00.48 | WrathTECH | I take if a variable is set in a SetScript, it is always local.. so when it's called it cannot be found? |
| 09:01.03 | nevcairiel | variables are always global by default |
| 09:01.04 | haste | no, it's still global |
| 09:01.09 | nevcairiel | unless you make them local |
| 09:01.18 | haste | but the OnEvent handler isn't executed until it receives an event |
| 09:01.37 | haste | and the line under will execute as soon as the lua parser gets there |
| 09:01.57 | haste | so your SetPoint call will always execute before your OnEvent handler is |
| 09:02.05 | haste | which means the variable always will be nil |
| 09:02.49 | WrathTECH | Ahh I see. |
| 09:03.16 | haste | just move the WorldFrame fluff into the OnEvent handler and you should be fine |
| 09:03.19 | WrathTECH | Annoying as it is, it's just a tiny bit of code, would have expected this to be painless. |
| 09:03.23 | haste | and make the variable a local :) |
| 09:03.28 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 09:04.30 | WrathTECH | Yeah, it will be local, just getting the core of it to work atm |
| 09:05.55 | WrathTECH | VIad, pretty much always use print :) I've found that to eb incredibly handy |
| 09:06.16 | mckenziemc | and on occasion incredibly spammy :) |
| 09:06.35 | WrathTECH | Oh god yes. UNIT_HEALTH is really really really annoying lol |
| 09:06.57 | Gnarfoz | you don't want to look at UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT, then |
| 09:07.00 | nebula169 | annoying how? |
| 09:07.27 | WrathTECH | Just real spammy, ever bit of healing or damage, it prints |
| 09:07.35 | nebula169 | yea, no shit |
| 09:07.39 | Neffi | well.... yeah |
| 09:08.07 | Gnarfoz | you could also say it does its job |
| 09:08.27 | WrathTECH | That it definitely does, Gnarfoz |
| 09:08.44 | mckenziemc | not if we need UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT :D |
| 09:09.07 | nebula169 | i mean, most of the time 400ms updates are fine |
| 09:10.31 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.55 | VIad | also function(event,...) local a,b,c=... end |
| 09:13.17 | VIad | function(event,...) local arg1,arg2=... end |
| 09:13.23 | VIad | but never use arg# without declaring them |
| 09:13.52 | VIad | think that is legacy stuff that will go away at some point, so no point making a habit of it, or "this" :p |
| 09:14.21 | VIad | "self" is what we use to reference the object your func is attached to unlike ancient code where we used "this" |
| 09:14.40 | mckenziemc | there's also select(3, ...) etc as an option |
| 09:15.30 | mckenziemc | good thing to get used to when your function may handle multiple possible argument counts |
| 09:15.58 | VIad | CLEU is one example |
| 09:16.03 | VIad | but I wouldnt use select for it |
| 09:16.10 | VIad | or maybe... depends |
| 09:16.45 | VIad | select is costly right. like if you monitor all the CLEU and use only select to pick the arguments :p |
| 09:17.02 | mckenziemc | might be better performance-wise not to, but i don't like having arg#s hanging around :< |
| 09:17.16 | VIad | you could just use variables |
| 09:17.27 | VIad | wrap your CLEU method around a "do ... end" |
| 09:17.36 | VIad | and inside declare variables only for that scope |
| 09:17.50 | mckenziemc | well yeah |
| 09:17.56 | mckenziemc | in the body of an if loop usually |
| 09:18.27 | VIad | a scope could have 64 variables right? |
| 09:24.55 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 09:25.17 | mckenziemc | broke my game so i couldn't use any of the normal logout methods :) |
| 09:28.38 | Neffi | VIad: probably more than 64. Depends on Lua compile time options |
| 09:28.53 | Neffi | but yes you definitely want to avoid abusing select() in CLEU |
| 09:30.19 | mckenziemc | once i know what the parameters represent and how many there are i switch to locals |
| 09:31.09 | mckenziemc | if a situation came up where that was too slow i'd use arg# locals |
| 09:31.31 | Neffi | I keep the base arguments in the function signature, and then use a vararg for event specific things |
| 09:31.49 | mckenziemc | exactly |
| 09:31.56 | Neffi | I've seen people use a vararg for all and then select out the base args on the very next line. why? i don't get it. it's ugly, it's an extra line, and it's a slight performance cost |
| 09:32.21 | Neffi | the argNs are not locals |
| 09:32.24 | Neffi | do not use them |
| 09:32.31 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 09:32.50 | mckenziemc | but local arg1, arg2, arg3 == ... are :) |
| 09:33.10 | mckenziemc | s/==/= |
| 09:33.16 | Neffi | that's terrible argument names! |
| 09:33.17 | mckenziemc | bah! |
| 09:33.23 | Neffi | s/argument/variable/ |
| 09:33.31 | Neffi | be descriptive! |
| 09:33.46 | mckenziemc | like i said, only if there was some situation where i didn't know what they were and couldn't wait |
| 09:34.10 | mckenziemc | don't know if that would ever happen |
| 09:34.11 | Neffi | like handing off generic values? yeah that's fine |
| 09:34.51 | Neffi | sure. say you programmatically select which function to run, and then hand off the arguments |
| 09:37.03 | mckenziemc | sends Neffi down an if cascade. |
| 09:39.25 | Neffi | % local i = 0; repeat i = i + 1 until not loadstring('local '..('_, '):rep(i-1)..'_'); print(i - 1); |
| 09:39.26 | yalb | Neffi: 200 |
| 09:39.29 | Neffi | VIad: ^ |
| 09:39.36 | Neffi | run that in WoW to see the max |
| 09:40.50 | Neffi | refactor's mckenziemc's if-cascade into a switch using a table of functions. |
| 09:42.22 | Neffi | if you ever actually hit that limit on non-generated code, you need to refactor badly |
| 09:42.22 | mckenziemc | that's not for a cascade |
| 09:44.02 | mckenziemc | how do upvalues factor in? are they separate? |
| 09:44.29 | Neffi | I dont remember |
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| 09:54.01 | Neffi | mckenziemc: No, upvalues do not count towards the limit, but upvalues have their own limit |
| 09:54.22 | Neffi | lua test.lua -> nil [string "local _, __, ___, ____, _____, ______, _______, ________, _____..."]:1: function at line 1 has more than 60 upvalues |
| 09:55.13 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 10:05.16 | Neffiphone | fills all of Semlar's upvalue slots with Torhal's cats. |
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| 10:09.32 | mckenziemc | well not only did i trigger a stack overflow, i have a record of every recursive call in it :D |
| 10:09.47 | mckenziemc | (saved-variable log) |
| 10:10.52 | mckenziemc | % math.pow |
| 10:10.52 | yalb | mckenziemc: sandbox:2: syntax error near <eof> |
| 10:11.05 | mckenziemc | % math.power(2, 14) |
| 10:11.05 | yalb | mckenziemc: sandbox:1: attempt to call field 'power' (a nil value); stack traceback:; sandbox:1: in main chunk |
| 10:11.18 | mckenziemc | :< |
| 10:11.27 | Neffiphone | pow |
| 10:11.47 | Neffiphone | % = pp(math) |
| 10:11.47 | yalb | Neffiphone: "\002T1\002{cos=\002F1\002, atan2=\002F2\002, floor=\002F3\002, acos=\002F4\002, max=\002F5\002, random=\002F6\002, log=\002F7\002, huge=inf, exp=\002F8\002, pi=3.1415926535898, deg=\002F9\002, pow=\002F10\002, tan=\002F11\002, log10=\002F12\002, rad=\002F13\002, tanh=\002F14\002, atan=\002F15\002, sqrt=\002F16\002, asin=\002F17\002, sin=\002F18\002, sinh=\002F19\002, ceil=\002F20\002, modf=\002F2 |
| 10:11.56 | Neffiphone | dammit mniip |
| 10:12.04 | mckenziemc | gg Neffi |
| 10:12.20 | Neffi | i gotta tell him to fix that |
| 10:13.17 | Neffi | % print(pp(math)) |
| 10:13.17 | yalb | Neffi: T1{exp=F1, modf=F2, pow=F3, asin=F4, fmod=F5, frexp=F6, min=F7, huge=inf, ldexp=F8, sinh=F9, pi=3.1415926535898, tan=F10, tanh=F11, abs=F12, sqrt=F13, atan=F14, sin=F15, deg=F16, random=F17, cosh=F18, ceil=F19, log=F20, max=F21, log10=F22, atan2=F23, acos=F24, floor=F25, randomseed=F26, cos=F27, rad=F28} |
| 10:16.45 | mckenziemc | so if my log has 16375 entries for my broken function and 2 ^ 14 is 16384, can i find out anything interesting about wow's internal code by breaking other functions and checking the deficit? :) |
| 10:20.41 | mckenziemc | (given that i could get the rest of the lua side with debugstack) |
| 10:39.30 | VIad | % "~whalenuke" |
| 10:39.30 | yalb | VIad: sandbox:1: unexpected symbol near '"~whalenuke"' |
| 10:39.39 | VIad | oh right |
| 10:39.54 | VIad | % print"~whalenuke" |
| 10:39.54 | yalb | VIad: ~whalenuke |
| 10:40.01 | VIad | clever girl |
| 10:41.35 | mckenziemc | ~whalenuke Viad |
| 10:41.35 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Viad with his mind powers. |
| 10:41.49 | VIad | I notice package is available, can it be used for mischief? |
| 10:42.07 | VIad | same with the os table |
| 10:42.24 | VIad | oh my, os.execute is available |
| 10:43.25 | VIad | ah you just made it return an error string instead of not existing :p |
| 10:44.58 | VIad | on a more serious note, regarding windows 10 and amount of data microsoft gathers about you. is it really that bad as people say on the blogs? or is it fine if you turn off the options and such. |
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| 10:50.08 | VIad | is harl, karls lost brother? |
| 10:50.52 | harl | is VIad a troll? |
| 10:51.14 | VIad | sometimes I can be |
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| 10:51.48 | VIad | sup? |
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| 10:54.17 | Gnarfoz | you have to figure out for yourself if turning stuff of makes it "fine" or not, nobody can tell you that |
| 10:56.43 | VIad | yeah. I was just curious, like if it obeys your turning off then its cool. but if it keeps sending stuff back home, keystrokes, e.g. its not that good tbh |
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| 10:57.06 | VIad | I guess the "free" is being paid in some way anyway :p |
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| 11:04.03 | Gnarfoz | it's only free for people on old versions |
| 11:04.50 | NuSuey | .. lol twitter .. new expansion suggestion "Burning wrath of the cataclysm warlords of the mists of Pandaria" |
| 11:05.36 | VIad | yeah but there is nothing "free" so I am suspicious they try to make they money in some other way :p |
| 11:06.37 | Neffi | % = os.execute'pwd' |
| 11:06.37 | yalb | Neffi: nil, "Operation not permitted", 1 |
| 11:06.48 | Neffi | VIad: feel free to try and break it. let me know if you do |
| 11:08.03 | Neffi | it's been tested pretty well in #lua. i doubt you'll find any way to break it |
| 11:08.25 | Neffi | by the way you can also do other stuff besides lua, |
| 11:08.26 | Neffi | %list |
| 11:08.26 | yalb | Neffi: List of sandboxes: Lua: %5.1 %5.3 %3.2 %5.0 %4.0 %5.2 (% = %lua = %5.2) Misc: %cleanup %golflua %c %py %luajit %bc %LUA |
| 11:10.55 | VIad | %golflua |
| 11:10.55 | yalb | VIad: |
| 11:11.00 | VIad | what is golflua? |
| 11:11.27 | Neffiphone | I forget |
| 11:11.40 | Neffiphone | google it. I think it's on github |
| 11:12.24 | Neffiphone | http://mniip.com/misc/conv/golflua/ |
| 11:14.04 | VIad | golflua seems minimalistic and made for irc scribbling, yet probably requires a lot of time to remember what letter is what function :p |
| 11:15.21 | Neffiphone | I think it's meant for challgnes likes "solve this in as few characters as possible" |
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| 11:15.44 | VIad | %golflua `x=13.37*O.c()?x>3.14 w"yolo"!? w":("$ |
| 11:15.44 | yalb | VIad: :( |
| 11:15.53 | Neffiphone | lol |
| 11:16.17 | VIad | %golflua `x=13.37*O.c()?x<.05 w"yolo"!? w":("$ |
| 11:16.17 | yalb | VIad: yolo |
| 11:16.45 | VIad | you could always just run the rules after you are done coding properly if you just want it to look small :p |
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| 11:23.26 | Torhal | makes a table of Neffi which he then passes as unpack(NeffiTable) to a function with "..." as its only parameter which then assigns select(random(#NeffiTable), ...) to the "arg11" variable. |
| 11:24.25 | Neffiphone | oww |
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| 11:57.55 | Simca_ | -my head hurt really bad, then i played hotline miami, now it is much worse. |
| 11:57.56 | Simca_ | lol. |
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| 12:50.34 | VIad | just to sound ignorant. have you been here before, harl? I seriously cant remember you atm :p |
| 12:51.57 | harl|Vikings | i've been here for years |
| 12:53.47 | VIad | :( |
| 12:54.01 | VIad | just havent had the pleasure of talking with you I guess |
| 12:57.25 | VIad | what addons have you made, harl? |
| 12:58.34 | harl|Vikings | please stop that. |
| 12:58.52 | VIad | stop what? |
| 12:58.53 | harl|Vikings | btw i definitely commented on one or two of your addons |
| 12:59.42 | VIad | don't be mad. that I forgot isnt personal. |
| 13:04.15 | harl|Vikings | i'm not mad. and i'm not a notable addon author. |
| 13:05.51 | VIad | I was just curious. :) |
| 13:15.57 | harl|Vikings | http://postimg.org/image/hfwda0vdp/ |
| 13:24.27 | harl|Vikings | there's also lfd: call to arms in the past |
| 13:25.53 | harl|Vikings | according to the timestamps, i replaced it with another addon around 9 months ago |
| 13:29.42 | VIad | :o |
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| 13:48.35 | Torhal | replaces VIad with Vlad. |
| 13:49.26 | karl_w_w | replaces Torhal with a chocolate fountain. |
| 13:49.58 | Ackis | https://www.reddit.com/r/freebies/comments/3fxfek/free_pug_salt_n_pepper_shakers/ |
| 13:52.32 | karl_w_w | TIL the eiffel tower is a fist weapon https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Equipment_Rarity%202_Sonic%20Knuckles%20%28III%29 |
| 14:11.40 | fewyn | http://kitchenette.jezebel.com/iowa-police-find-meth-lab-in-taco-bell-1722293569 |
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| 15:00.51 | Gnarfoz | http://i.imgur.com/F0sngcK.jpg flying murlocs, yes please |
| 15:01.29 | bluipodcow | Hmmmmm |
| 15:01.40 | bluipodcow | Ghost crawler is back at blizzard ? |
| 15:01.41 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 15:01.47 | fewyn | what |
| 15:01.51 | fewyn | he is? |
| 15:02.28 | Ressy | Hes still friends with everyone.. |
| 15:02.29 | fewyn | where'd you see this bluipodcow ? |
| 15:02.38 | Ressy | Why wouldn't they bring him in for a picture to keep trolling everyone. |
| 15:02.40 | fewyn | as far as i know he's still at riot |
| 15:02.44 | Ressy | they were doing an awesome job last night on twitter. |
| 15:02.49 | bluipodcow | See the photo linked by Gnarfoz |
| 15:03.01 | bluipodcow | I know |
| 15:03.02 | fewyn | yeah totes something they'd do |
| 15:03.06 | fewyn | he'd be at gamescom |
| 15:03.10 | fewyn | so it makes sense |
| 15:03.30 | bluipodcow | It's just that's the sort of leap to conclusions thing the playerbase would fly to |
| 15:03.30 | Gnarfoz | except |
| 15:03.34 | Gnarfoz | there's no GC in that pic? |
| 15:03.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:03.42 | fewyn | GC is in the pic |
| 15:03.45 | fewyn | bald guy in the front left |
| 15:03.49 | Gnarfoz | that's Chilton |
| 15:03.53 | bluipodcow | Wait |
| 15:03.55 | fewyn | wait |
| 15:03.57 | fewyn | uh |
| 15:03.58 | bluipodcow | Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha |
| 15:04.04 | Gnarfoz | you derplords |
| 15:04.05 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:04.05 | bluipodcow | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 15:04.08 | fewyn | oh god |
| 15:04.11 | fewyn | they look so much alike |
| 15:04.14 | Ressy | yup. chilton. |
| 15:04.14 | fewyn | i never realized this |
| 15:04.16 | bluipodcow | HERP DERP ! |
| 15:04.23 | fewyn | it's all bluipodcow's fault |
| 15:04.37 | Gnarfoz | they were on stage together at BC 2013, I found them easy to tell apart |
| 15:04.43 | fewyn | THAT'S MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT |
| 15:04.46 | Gnarfoz | but in general, pretty similar :D |
| 15:04.50 | fewyn | well i haven't seen them in awhile |
| 15:04.57 | fewyn | they have that general short/bald haired look |
| 15:05.00 | Gnarfoz | this seems more likely, but we'll know soon enough http://i.imgur.com/UE3Tnok.jpg |
| 15:05.16 | fewyn | guldan again? |
| 15:05.18 | fewyn | fuck you blizzard |
| 15:05.26 | fewyn | #NOMOREORCS |
| 15:06.07 | fewyn | oh nice i just picked up a pair of bloodlust boots for transmog to flip for 2500g.... they normally sell for 25000g.... i think someone forgot a zero |
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| 15:06.57 | bluipodcow | @fewyn ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 15:07.01 | fewyn | i expect a sternly written letter in my mailbox when i get off work tonight |
| 15:07.19 | fewyn | i'm going to miss the expansion announcement :( |
| 15:07.38 | fewyn | i have to leave for work in 45 minutes and i won't be able to watch the trailer/teaser |
| 15:07.43 | fewyn | until my break or lunch |
| 15:07.47 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 15:08.12 | bluipodcow | YouTube it on your phone and listen headphone buds |
| 15:08.17 | fewyn | cant |
| 15:08.20 | fewyn | i work in a call center |
| 15:08.23 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 15:08.28 | fewyn | we're not allowed phones on the floor anyways |
| 15:08.34 | fewyn | cellphones that is |
| 15:08.40 | fewyn | ~privacy~ etc |
| 15:15.39 | Gnarfoz | sounds about right |
| 15:20.49 | [TOM_RUS] | so eye of azhara hype? |
| 15:21.49 | nevcairiel | its called queenm of the depths now |
| 15:21.51 | nevcairiel | -m |
| 15:22.37 | VIad | wait, how did blizz trademark "compete"? |
| 15:22.48 | pompy | way to ruin it for yourselves ....!!!!! |
| 15:23.03 | nevcairiel | VIad: how wouldnt they |
| 15:23.20 | nevcairiel | VIad: apple trademarked "apple", i'm sure it was a fruit before the company existed |
| 15:23.28 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:23.32 | nevcairiel | you can trademark ordinary words as long as you limite the scope to something specific |
| 15:23.33 | VIad | maybe I should trademark TV |
| 15:24.03 | nevcairiel | compete is only trademarked as a online e-sports tournament platform |
| 15:24.10 | nevcairiel | so there cant be another one with that name |
| 15:24.17 | nevcairiel | but there can be a lot of other things with the name compete |
| 15:24.55 | VIad | maybe they will mention it in 35 min |
| 15:25.04 | nevcairiel | this is about wow |
| 15:25.08 | nevcairiel | not some online thing =p |
| 15:25.14 | VIad | oh ok |
| 15:25.18 | VIad | blizzcon maybe |
| 15:25.43 | nevcairiel | compete may be for hearthstone |
| 15:25.45 | nevcairiel | or heroes |
| 15:25.47 | nevcairiel | or overwatch |
| 15:25.48 | nevcairiel | or.. |
| 15:25.59 | VIad | all of the above :o |
| 15:26.32 | nevcairiel | stream starts in 3.5 minutes |
| 15:26.52 | nevcairiel | although half an hour or chatting before the event only |
| 15:26.58 | VIad | mmo champ says 33m for me |
| 15:27.07 | nevcairiel | thats when the event starts |
| 15:27.12 | VIad | ah ok |
| 15:28.32 | VIad | the stream link youtu.be/e1WIEl4hRvA |
| 15:28.35 | VIad | http://youtu.be/e1WIEl4hRvA |
| 15:29.01 | VIad | enough time for me to get my laundry :p |
| 15:31.23 | pompy | indeed |
| 15:31.50 | Ressy | http://www.twitch.tv/blizzard |
| 15:32.02 | Ressy | or blizzgc.com |
| 15:32.08 | Ressy | they have multiple places up due to load. |
| 15:32.09 | nevcairiel | i rather use youtube streams, twitch usually lags more |
| 15:32.34 | VIad | youtube is nice. though a bit chrispy sounds at 1080p maybe I should go 720p |
| 15:32.45 | Ressy | blizzgc is off youtube |
| 15:32.54 | bluipodcow | Do all 3! |
| 15:32.58 | bluipodcow | At once! |
| 15:33.10 | VIad | official stream is youtube according to blizzgc yeha |
| 15:33.19 | bluipodcow | Weeeeeeeee |
| 15:33.54 | VIad | if I tab on twitch usually it stops streaming, dunno why |
| 15:34.09 | VIad | for me loosing focus from twitch tab/window it eventually halts :( |
| 15:34.36 | VIad | < pre 5k streamer |
| 15:34.49 | VIad | already up to 70k |
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| 15:48.32 | kd3 | hm, a theme change on the news portal: http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/news/ |
| 15:49.25 | bluipodcow | Broken kd3 :( |
| 15:50.38 | kd3 | http://imgur.com/bDSaZ5u |
| 15:50.44 | kd3 | but apparently it's been like this since march |
| 15:52.32 | nevcairiel | mere minutes now, dont get impatient with weird meaningless websites =p |
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| 15:56.17 | Semlar | emerald-dreams kd3 |
| 15:56.36 | Semlar | oops |
| 15:56.50 | Semlar | i didn't mean it! |
| 15:56.54 | kd3|hate`net | gah, of course my router has to flake out right as the announcement starts |
| 15:56.56 | Torhal | staples Semlar to mckenziemc. |
| 15:58.22 | Ressy | kd3|hate`net: So.. It'll be like every previous announcement? poor connection? >.> |
| 15:58.28 | kd3|hate`net | lol |
| 15:59.32 | VIad | nothing has started yet |
| 15:59.41 | NuSuey | yeah. still waiting |
| 15:59.57 | nevcairiel | its not 6 yet |
| 15:59.59 | kd3 | it starts now |
| 16:00.01 | nevcairiel | .. now it is |
| 16:00.03 | kd3 | hopefully |
| 16:00.09 | nevcairiel | [18:00:00] <nevcairiel> .. now it is |
| 16:00.12 | nevcairiel | i haz good timing |
| 16:00.46 | nevcairiel | music died, is that a good sign |
| 16:00.48 | kd3 | late m8, 8/8 |
| 16:01.32 | nevcairiel | now its starting |
| 16:02.32 | Ressy | wow.. look at that crowd |
| 16:04.45 | Ressy | anyone getting buffering issues on youtube? o.O |
| 16:04.53 | nevcairiel | twitch seems fine, surprisingly |
| 16:05.44 | bluipodcow | Yeah ressy |
| 16:05.52 | bluipodcow | Buffering lag on 1080p |
| 16:06.05 | bluipodcow | Switched to twitch pop out for now |
| 16:06.07 | Ressy | buffering lag on 360 |
| 16:06.09 | Ressy | :\ |
| 16:06.18 | kd3 | twitch buffered for a sec, but it's back |
| 16:08.01 | pompy | chilton was talking and then went to the trailer |
| 16:08.02 | pompy | wtf |
| 16:08.04 | pompy | lol |
| 16:08.25 | kd3 | this is a connection point from the end of warlords to the next expansion |
| 16:10.36 | kd3 | the warcraft twitter beat the announcement to the punch |
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| 16:10.48 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/629323580329758720 |
| 16:11.20 | bluipodcow | Had a work call. What did I miss from the start of the trailer? |
| 16:11.51 | Gnarfoz | Demon Hunter after all, hm? hm |
| 16:12.31 | Gnarfoz | "Legion"? what :D |
| 16:13.49 | NuSuey | :O |
| 16:15.03 | bluipodcow | Brb need to deal with this call |
| 16:16.17 | nevcairiel | dalaran moves again, huh |
| 16:16.40 | pompy | WoD 2.0, eh? |
| 16:16.48 | nevcairiel | no pompy, WoW 7.0 |
| 16:17.46 | znf | I can't rewind, can I? |
| 16:18.21 | pompy | lol |
| 16:18.44 | znf | twitch stream be dead for me |
| 16:18.45 | znf | alive again |
| 16:18.49 | znf | dead again |
| 16:18.50 | znf | :( |
| 16:18.59 | Semlar | just what we needed, more hunters |
| 16:19.16 | znf | ashbringer |
| 16:19.16 | znf | wat |
| 16:19.21 | foxlit | tank hunters, though |
| 16:19.30 | nevcairiel | znf: a lot of artifact weapons |
| 16:19.44 | znf | wonder how will we get them |
| 16:19.45 | Gnarfoz | where IS Metzen, though? |
| 16:19.50 | znf | if it's the 6.0x system, fuck that |
| 16:19.59 | VIad | Gnarfoz: masterbaiting in money |
| 16:20.01 | znf | also, can priest use them? >_< |
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| 16:20.10 | nevcairiel | znf: the trailer showed a new fancy UI to pick various different artifacts available to your class |
| 16:20.13 | znf | come on with the info!!!!! |
| 16:20.14 | nevcairiel | so every class will get some |
| 16:20.24 | znf | I'm bummed about demon hunters |
| 16:21.02 | foxlit | the game could totally use more druids. |
| 16:21.20 | znf | sooo... Illidan faction-leader for Demon Hunters? |
| 16:21.29 | g0urra | yup |
| 16:21.34 | g0urra | everyone gonna roll demon hunter |
| 16:21.40 | nevcairiel | i'll stay druid! |
| 16:21.45 | Gnarfoz | VIad: master... what? |
| 16:22.02 | nevcairiel | probably roll a DH for fun though |
| 16:22.21 | VIad | I rolled my dk like, in mop :p |
| 16:22.24 | VIad | never too late |
| 16:22.29 | znf | so, let me guess - we'll have a hero class experience like DKs, |
| 16:22.29 | Gnarfoz | did he just say "when Sargers went bad"? I thought they retconned that long ago |
| 16:22.32 | znf | with the past of Demon Hunters |
| 16:22.40 | nevcairiel | obviously znf |
| 16:22.44 | nevcairiel | but those things are usually fun |
| 16:22.47 | kd3 | sargeras saw the futility of the titans order and turned |
| 16:22.56 | Gnarfoz | wasn't that the original story |
| 16:23.31 | znf | So. Many. Pauses. |
| 16:23.53 | Gnarfoz | sign of a professional speaker |
| 16:23.58 | Gnarfoz | or rather, trained one |
| 16:24.04 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 16:24.17 | znf | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/legion/#world |
| 16:24.31 | Cairenn1 | This guy does not have the presence of Metzen. He gets the crowd pumped. This crowd is so quiet. |
| 16:24.37 | Gnarfoz | but then, the microphone setup in that hall suck, so you can only hear crowd reactions when they're really loud |
| 16:24.56 | Gnarfoz | s/hall/hall might/ |
| 16:25.20 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, when was Furor on stage last? red shirt guy incident? :p |
| 16:25.48 | znf | zones are boring, move on |
| 16:26.40 | znf | those trees look good |
| 16:26.55 | g0urra | outta nowhere, vrykul |
| 16:27.00 | Gnarfoz | "World of Warcraft - Everything have players wanted as expansions in the past 10 years" |
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| 16:27.41 | znf | Am I the only one bored by the zones? |
| 16:27.55 | g0urra | nope |
| 16:27.59 | nevcairiel | you are bored by everything thats not shadow priest buffs |
| 16:28.01 | znf | like, I feel there's other exciting things that we need to know... |
| 16:28.13 | znf | like, do we get a shared capital city? is that dalaran? |
| 16:28.21 | Cairenn1 | yes |
| 16:28.22 | nevcairiel | he already said that |
| 16:28.27 | nevcairiel | pay attention instead of complaining on irc |
| 16:28.34 | znf | I tuned in late |
| 16:29.23 | Gnarfoz | in any case, it's already more than I expected them to show today |
| 16:29.55 | znf | ow, ashbringer is paladin only, it seems? |
| 16:29.56 | znf | boo |
| 16:30.12 | nevcairiel | all seem cklass specific it seems |
| 16:30.17 | nevcairiel | bnut maybe there is a biut overlap |
| 16:30.24 | znf | the monk staff looks pretty |
| 16:30.42 | Gnarfoz | shadow priest ashbringer, or the expansion sucks? :p |
| 16:30.55 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 16:30.56 | znf | how come hunters don't get thoridal? |
| 16:31.13 | Gnarfoz | "their time is here", hah |
| 16:31.27 | znf | wth is thas'dorah? |
| 16:31.38 | znf | yay, the guy we've been waiting for |
| 16:31.39 | Gnarfoz | stuff they made up so you can have something, too? |
| 16:32.00 | Gnarfoz | Gurgthock ]:-) |
| 16:32.19 | znf | woah, spec! |
| 16:32.34 | Krapsy | AHAHAHA |
| 16:32.43 | Krapsy | SUCK IT DOOMSAYERS |
| 16:32.55 | Krapsy | BLIZZARD DOES IT AGAIN |
| 16:33.42 | znf | chill dude |
| 16:33.53 | Krapsy | no sir |
| 16:33.54 | znf | "artifact power" |
| 16:33.55 | znf | wth |
| 16:34.02 | Gnarfoz | legendary ring upgrade on drugs |
| 16:34.12 | znf | wait wait |
| 16:34.13 | nevcairiel | more like paragon levels for your weapon |
| 16:34.17 | znf | artifact weapon IN PVP |
| 16:34.17 | Gnarfoz | or that |
| 16:34.21 | znf | INCOMING QQ |
| 16:34.31 | Gnarfoz | WASTED CHANCE |
| 16:34.34 | Gnarfoz | of putting 9001 there |
| 16:34.49 | nevcairiel | talents! |
| 16:34.52 | znf | soooo |
| 16:34.53 | znf | wait |
| 16:34.58 | znf | titan path for weapons? :D |
| 16:34.59 | Gnarfoz | also, it looks like path of the titans 2.4 |
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| 16:35.04 | znf | ^^ |
| 16:35.31 | Gnarfoz | if they have two more lined up, they could still do the 9001 thing |
| 16:36.04 | Gnarfoz | ah, item skinning |
| 16:36.25 | znf | "meh" |
| 16:36.26 | Gnarfoz | limited, of course (engine limitations) |
| 16:36.41 | nevcairiel | removing thge weapon slot from gearing sure is a bold choice |
| 16:36.45 | znf | indeeed |
| 16:36.55 | znf | -e |
| 16:37.56 | znf | no priest staff shown :( |
| 16:37.57 | g0urra | all this sounds like the artifact weapons from ffxiv |
| 16:38.10 | g0urra | "you need to go around the world to get this cool weapon" |
| 16:38.39 | znf | "no more mounts" |
| 16:38.39 | znf | :D |
| 16:38.46 | znf | "no run speed, you need to walk" |
| 16:39.08 | znf | ...mage sword? |
| 16:39.15 | Gnarfoz | what about it? |
| 16:39.18 | znf | :o |
| 16:40.06 | znf | what class is the spear?! |
| 16:40.11 | Gnarfoz | hunters |
| 16:40.13 | Gnarfoz | survival |
| 16:40.13 | znf | :o |
| 16:40.14 | nevcairiel | surv hunter |
| 16:40.19 | znf | was a few seconds behind |
| 16:40.44 | nevcairiel | wtb druid |
| 16:40.45 | Gnarfoz | heh, skulls, frost, more skulls... different skulls? |
| 16:40.49 | znf | ffs |
| 16:40.51 | znf | stream died |
| 16:40.56 | nevcairiel | twitch is fine |
| 16:41.03 | Gnarfoz | idd |
| 16:41.06 | Gnarfoz | 1080p master race |
| 16:41.15 | nevcairiel | i like how they considered dual weilders and tanks |
| 16:41.23 | nevcairiel | so you get two weapons, or weapon and shield |
| 16:41.28 | nevcairiel | usually those are forgotten |
| 16:41.38 | Gnarfoz | troll mode? |
| 16:41.41 | Gnarfoz | those are all identical |
| 16:41.44 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 16:41.46 | nevcairiel | trolling ferals |
| 16:41.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:41.47 | g0urra | roflmao blizzard |
| 16:41.49 | znf | woah |
| 16:41.55 | znf | feral |
| 16:41.56 | znf | :o |
| 16:42.16 | Gnarfoz | that's better |
| 16:42.18 | g0urra | whaaaaaaaaat |
| 16:42.18 | znf | brb, rolling feral |
| 16:42.25 | g0urra | mecha druids |
| 16:42.52 | znf | make more slides ffs |
| 16:42.55 | znf | updated base form |
| 16:42.56 | znf | wat |
| 16:43.11 | Gnarfoz | the old "new" druid forms are quite old by now |
| 16:44.06 | znf | doomhammer is for what class again? |
| 16:44.11 | znf | my stream was "deaded" |
| 16:44.16 | Gnarfoz | Shaman |
| 16:44.19 | g0urra | shaman ofc |
| 16:44.20 | nevcairiel | melee shaman, yes |
| 16:44.46 | nevcairiel | i like how they put the class halls in appropriate places |
| 16:44.51 | nevcairiel | instead of all shoving them on the new continent |
| 16:45.04 | Gnarfoz | I fear that's just going to end up depopulating the world again |
| 16:45.06 | VIad | think the rogue class is going to feel pretty empty' |
| 16:45.30 | Gnarfoz | subterranean paldins oO |
| 16:45.41 | znf | maybe they "forget" the auction house, Gnarfoz |
| 16:45.48 | Gnarfoz | znf: :> |
| 16:45.50 | znf | and the bank |
| 16:46.00 | nevcairiel | depends what you can do there |
| 16:46.04 | nevcairiel | people might just hang in dalaran |
| 16:46.16 | znf | wanna bet that they're going to remove the location restriction? |
| 16:46.20 | znf | for customizing weapon |
| 16:46.41 | Gnarfoz | they're going to put it on a mount? :p |
| 16:46.43 | pompy | more cheevs! |
| 16:46.48 | znf | :D |
| 16:47.25 | pompy | whats gunna be shown at blizzcon now!? WoW-wise lol |
| 16:47.39 | znf | "you can play it tomorow" |
| 16:47.39 | znf | :D |
| 16:47.42 | znf | @ blizzcon |
| 16:47.44 | Gnarfoz | "the rest"? :> yeah, a lot more than I anticipated |
| 16:47.56 | Gnarfoz | how long is this thing planned to be? |
| 16:47.58 | Gnarfoz | 19:00? |
| 16:47.59 | znf | boring dungeons and raids |
| 16:48.00 | Krapsy | blizzcon is tomorrow? |
| 16:48.11 | znf | or maybe they give us cool shit? :o |
| 16:48.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i think it was 1h ya |
| 16:48.18 | Gnarfoz | must be longer, if they don't want to abbreviate the PVP thing as "yeah, it's something new!" |
| 16:48.20 | karl_w_w | wow is ded gaem like sc2, blizzcon will be all overwatch and hearthstone :P |
| 16:48.32 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: so ded |
| 16:49.11 | znf | yeah yeah, fuck dungeon look |
| 16:49.14 | znf | talk about the goodies in it |
| 16:49.18 | znf | and why would we run them |
| 16:49.49 | Gnarfoz | znf so materialistic |
| 16:50.00 | bluipodcow | I call the Mage sword fellymelon |
| 16:50.01 | znf | who does dungeons for lore? |
| 16:50.18 | znf | more than once* |
| 16:50.30 | Gnarfoz | "look" != "lore" :p |
| 16:50.32 | karl_w_w | is there a history of wow subriber numbers somewhere? |
| 16:50.42 | znf | there's a graph on mmo-c |
| 16:50.44 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: only at the most obvious place... mmo-champion.com |
| 16:50.48 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 16:50.59 | karl_w_w | you're an obvious place |
| 16:51.04 | Gnarfoz | a huge place, too |
| 16:51.14 | Gnarfoz | flex |
| 16:51.19 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5063-WoW-Down-to-5-6-Million-Subscribers |
| 16:53.09 | g0urra | Violet Hold? wat |
| 16:53.10 | nevcairiel | heh eye of azshara as a dungeon |
| 16:53.12 | nevcairiel | trolling more |
| 16:53.30 | znf | g0urra: we do have dalaran again, so, yeah? :P |
| 16:53.33 | nevcairiel | g0urra: dalaran moved, violet hold is in dalaran, so it came with |
| 16:53.46 | nevcairiel | makes sense! |
| 16:53.57 | g0urra | yeah I missed that |
| 16:53.58 | Krapsy | why is that trolling, it sounds like they took every single expac idea and combined them |
| 16:54.12 | nevcairiel | trolling those leakers, obviously |
| 16:54.16 | g0urra | would this be the last expansion? |
| 16:54.22 | nevcairiel | doubtful |
| 16:54.29 | Gnarfoz | "last expansion" is ridiculous |
| 16:55.10 | znf | oh yes, do more movement dungeons |
| 16:55.14 | znf | because we /loved/ the train one |
| 16:55.20 | Gnarfoz | it was fine |
| 16:55.23 | nevcairiel | i liked it |
| 16:55.28 | Gnarfoz | not sure what your problem with every last damn thing is :p |
| 16:55.29 | znf | made me sick |
| 16:55.40 | znf | made half my guild sick |
| 16:55.43 | foxlit | the movement wasnt the problem |
| 16:55.49 | karl_w_w | I had an interesting idea of graphing wow subs by comparing them to city populations, turns out it's not that interesting |
| 16:56.02 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: good thing you realized that before doing it ;p |
| 16:56.32 | g0urra | oh wow Emerald Nightmare as raid |
| 16:56.41 | Krapsy | ^see? |
| 16:57.05 | znf | we should be able to go trough the old portals!!! |
| 16:57.16 | nevcairiel | most of them vanished |
| 16:57.20 | nevcairiel | the green dragons arent there anymore |
| 16:57.27 | znf | I know :( |
| 16:57.30 | karl_w_w | it might be the last expansion as we know expansions |
| 16:57.31 | znf | put them back! |
| 16:57.39 | karl_w_w | but they arent going to just stop making content |
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| 16:58.24 | Gnarfoz | they have so far made no indication of changing the format at all, karl_w_w |
| 16:58.38 | Gnarfoz | so... yeah, baseless theorizing |
| 16:59.03 | karl_w_w | why would they make any indication :P |
| 16:59.12 | znf | no useless spikes? : |
| 16:59.13 | znf | :( |
| 16:59.20 | Gnarfoz | rip useless spikes |
| 16:59.47 | znf | let's see what this new class is about |
| 16:59.56 | Gnarfoz | dat german |
| 16:59.57 | nevcairiel | melee mail class |
| 17:00.04 | nevcairiel | obviously |
| 17:00.24 | nevcairiel | but only belf and nelf would be crazy |
| 17:00.24 | Gnarfoz | mail dd/tank |
| 17:00.34 | Gnarfoz | was missing anyway |
| 17:00.48 | znf | curious about races |
| 17:00.57 | Gnarfoz | probably those you see there |
| 17:01.02 | nevcairiel | so belf and nelf =p |
| 17:01.04 | znf | that'd be gay |
| 17:01.10 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt mind that muich |
| 17:01.13 | nevcairiel | i like nelfs |
| 17:01.14 | znf | I don't want to play a belf |
| 17:01.18 | Gnarfoz | not much else makes sense |
| 17:01.22 | Gnarfoz | but hey, it's Blizzard |
| 17:01.37 | nevcairiel | nothing e lse yet |
| 17:01.46 | znf | wait |
| 17:01.47 | nevcairiel | was that an orc |
| 17:01.48 | znf | what's the big fat thing |
| 17:01.54 | nevcairiel | oh just spell |
| 17:01.54 | g0urra | draenei I bet |
| 17:01.59 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: you mean the crowd shot girl? :p |
| 17:02.23 | znf | would be totally gay if we can only be belfs |
| 17:02.32 | Gnarfoz | emergency cut back to Chilton when they realized that right to pretty girl they picked out is obese girl :P |
| 17:02.44 | Semlar | can i make a panda demon hunter |
| 17:02.51 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:02.54 | nevcairiel | pandas are too fat |
| 17:02.54 | Semlar | well fuck this shit |
| 17:02.54 | znf | I still want a Panda warlock |
| 17:04.16 | znf | uhm |
| 17:04.17 | znf | just 2? |
| 17:04.20 | znf | :o |
| 17:04.21 | Gnarfoz | hah |
| 17:04.41 | znf | was actually wondering about the number |
| 17:04.43 | znf | they said 36 specs |
| 17:04.53 | nevcairiel | yeah fits again |
| 17:04.56 | znf | 12 * 3 = 36 (where's the extra drudid one?) |
| 17:04.57 | nevcairiel | druids get 4 to balance |
| 17:05.11 | g0urra | get? they have 4 |
| 17:05.22 | znf | yes... |
| 17:05.25 | znf | that's what we said :P |
| 17:05.29 | nevcairiel | your comment was point g0urra |
| 17:05.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 17:05.38 | znf | chaos damage |
| 17:06.03 | znf | spectral sight |
| 17:06.06 | znf | incoming rogue qq |
| 17:06.07 | znf | and feral qq |
| 17:06.08 | znf | in pvp |
| 17:06.24 | pompy | ~lart znf |
| 17:06.24 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at znf |
| 17:06.40 | Krapsy | why 2 specs |
| 17:07.02 | Gnarfoz | because they didn't know what the fuck to do for spec 3 |
| 17:07.02 | nevcairiel | the cynical answer would be bcause they had no idea for a third |
| 17:07.13 | Gnarfoz | which is really what they said, tbh |
| 17:07.14 | kd3 | concentrated coolness. why split up one of the specs so they have 3 |
| 17:07.42 | znf | terrain exploiting! |
| 17:07.43 | znf | yay |
| 17:07.53 | nevcairiel | if you can fly.. |
| 17:07.54 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 17:08.01 | znf | double jumping |
| 17:08.04 | znf | terrain exploiting |
| 17:08.05 | znf | enough said |
| 17:08.19 | nevcairiel | if they do flying, noone cares |
| 17:08.30 | Gnarfoz | lazers pew pew |
| 17:08.32 | znf | RIP pvp |
| 17:08.35 | nevcairiel | and even without flying, in wod you had plenty ways to go places |
| 17:08.47 | foxlit | clearly missing a healing spec |
| 17:08.53 | znf | I don't want to pvp against a demon hunter |
| 17:08.57 | foxlit | needs more fel-tree. |
| 17:08.59 | nevcairiel | healing by cutting damaged limbs off foxlit |
| 17:09.32 | znf | Figluster |
| 17:09.34 | znf | heh |
| 17:09.48 | foxlit | dunno, reverse-drain life style thing? |
| 17:09.56 | Gnarfoz | I PVP'd before the original honor system! |
| 17:10.16 | Gnarfoz | I didn't really have a thing for pvp then or now, though ;p |
| 17:11.46 | Gnarfoz | Zuglife ;D |
| 17:12.00 | znf | Zugzuglife |
| 17:12.26 | znf | that's no arena master on the left! |
| 17:12.36 | znf | "forever" |
| 17:12.39 | znf | that's a bold statement |
| 17:12.46 | Gnarfoz | he's being sarcastic, if you have ears :p |
| 17:12.53 | g0urra | tough crowd |
| 17:13.05 | Gnarfoz | g0urra: no crowd mics |
| 17:13.37 | g0urra | pvp only abilities? man, they have learned from FF14 |
| 17:13.40 | znf | Prestige 3? |
| 17:13.42 | Gnarfoz | (and perhaps tough crowd at an event that's been running all day, perhaps not that much energy left :P) |
| 17:13.59 | Gnarfoz | (also, temps over 30 °C, no idea what temps in the halls) |
| 17:14.18 | nevcairiel | znf: from what i gather, you can reset your honor to level 1 t o level up prestige |
| 17:14.21 | nevcairiel | whatever that yields you |
| 17:14.39 | Gnarfoz | are any of the "Abolish X" spells in the game at the moment? |
| 17:14.43 | Gnarfoz | they had those in vanilla |
| 17:14.47 | nevcairiel | i think they removed them |
| 17:15.06 | Gnarfoz | I see, wasn't sure if maybe some remained |
| 17:15.12 | znf | uh |
| 17:15.15 | znf | mind quickness |
| 17:15.17 | znf | 15% for shadow? |
| 17:15.19 | znf | instead of 5? |
| 17:15.21 | Gnarfoz | 2 target blood lust |
| 17:15.27 | nevcairiel | znf: its the pvp bonus |
| 17:15.45 | znf | yes, I know |
| 17:15.46 | kd3 | these are pvp-only talents |
| 17:15.59 | bluipodcow | I hungry Gnarfoz |
| 17:16.00 | znf | I know... |
| 17:16.09 | znf | it's interesting |
| 17:16.12 | bluipodcow | *eats Gnarfoz* |
| 17:16.31 | Gnarfoz | bluipodcow: you are now obese |
| 17:16.32 | znf | so it's top to bottom, left to right? |
| 17:16.37 | mckenziemc | vomits on bluipodcow. |
| 17:16.45 | nevcairiel | you unlock top to bottom and left to right |
| 17:16.49 | g0urra | LOL CALL OF DUTY |
| 17:16.50 | nevcairiel | but tiers are the rows |
| 17:16.58 | znf | cool |
| 17:16.59 | znf | got it |
| 17:17.03 | znf | fuck cosmetic crap |
| 17:17.20 | znf | I bet that won't pick up much |
| 17:17.29 | kd3 | hahaha, no. it's going to be huge |
| 17:17.30 | pompy | gg activision |
| 17:17.31 | pompy | :D |
| 17:17.37 | nevcairiel | if you play actively and leveling is fast enough, plenty will use it |
| 17:17.46 | znf | oh, mounts |
| 17:17.46 | znf | ok |
| 17:18.04 | Gnarfoz | wtb raid variant |
| 17:18.09 | Gnarfoz | (so people can complain) |
| 17:18.19 | nevcairiel | if they do that its probably mythic again, which sucks :P |
| 17:18.39 | znf | uhm, what about pvp gear? :-? |
| 17:18.47 | znf | no more? |
| 17:18.55 | nevcairiel | who know |
| 17:18.56 | nevcairiel | +s |
| 17:18.57 | pompy | hopefully they remove mythic. :P |
| 17:18.59 | Gnarfoz | 80 minutes of stuff and you're complaining? :P |
| 17:19.00 | pompy | hides |
| 17:19.03 | nevcairiel | they said gear should make much less of a difference |
| 17:19.16 | Gnarfoz | "it feels like the most significant change in a long time" yeah no shit, your slide just said so :P |
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| 17:20.21 | Gnarfoz | Soe such hype, even forgets where she is |
| 17:20.41 | znf | wait, there's more wow on sunday |
| 17:20.42 | znf | ? |
| 17:20.52 | g0urra | wow erryday |
| 17:21.07 | nevcairiel | sunday is interview with the developers |
| 17:21.12 | Krapsy | smoke wow every day |
| 17:21.18 | znf | cool |
| 17:21.26 | znf | let the tweets flow |
| 17:21.34 | znf | so I can read them tomorow |
| 17:23.08 | pompy | https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/629334170179907584 |
| 17:23.18 | Krapsy | ayyyyyyyy |
| 17:24.13 | pompy | did they say what level DHs start at? |
| 17:24.22 | kd3 | not to my knowledge |
| 17:24.36 | kd3 | I'd wager 90 |
| 17:25.39 | znf | How will surv hunters work? |
| 17:25.47 | znf | Melee class suddenly? |
| 17:25.49 | znf | Spec |
| 17:25.53 | Neffi | wat the fuck |
| 17:25.55 | Neffi | new class? |
| 17:26.21 | znf | Yed |
| 17:26.25 | znf | Illidan class |
| 17:27.01 | Neffi | rerolls Semlar |
| 17:27.10 | Semlar | snake eyes |
| 17:27.15 | Neffi | jackpot! |
| 17:27.39 | Unkle | I'm catching up by watching the recording of the announcement. |
| 17:29.00 | harl | caught anything yet? |
| 17:29.27 | Unkle | The "link" video with OMG my favorite character! |
| 17:29.58 | bluipodcow | Station? |
| 17:30.10 | Unkle | STATION ... bitches. |
| 17:30.20 | mckenziemc | deports bluipodcow to antarctica. |
| 17:30.33 | Unkle | And now the announcement. |
| 17:30.43 | bluipodcow | STAAAAAAATION |
| 17:32.30 | Unkle | I'm In. |
| 17:32.37 | Unkle | SO IN for Demon Hunter |
| 17:33.50 | Semlar | i heard we needed more hunters |
| 17:34.18 | pompy | rip http://us.battle.net/en/ |
| 17:34.22 | Unkle | Demon Hunters. |
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| 17:44.08 | Simca_ | so when are they going to tell survival hunters that they're a melee spec now |
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| 17:44.27 | Simca_ | i'm surprised they just glossed over that |
| 17:44.38 | Simca_ | "oh, here's the artifact survival hunter polearm" |
| 17:44.41 | Simca_ | "moving on" |
| 17:44.52 | Simca_ | >primary survival hunter weapon is polearm. |
| 17:45.31 | Unkle | "We'll meet up with Demi-Gods, Like Cenarius." .... And moves on. |
| 17:45.45 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 17:45.50 | Unkle | Emerald dream. |
| 17:46.07 | Unkle | "glimpses." GDIT |
| 17:49.05 | Unkle | Oh more elves. |
| 17:51.47 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: bluipodcow: http://i.imgur.com/NLNWlpL.jpg for future reference |
| 17:52.11 | bluipodcow | Ok |
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| 18:02.36 | Unkle | I don't know if I'm happy that as an Enhancement Shaman I'm getting Doomhammer. I was hoping for a fist weapon. But Doomhammer could be fucking awesome. |
| 18:04.26 | Torhal | Unkle: Doompuncher? |
| 18:04.33 | Unkle | Hahaha. |
| 18:05.13 | Unkle | I just need to be able to sit in a chair long enough to play some WoW. |
| 18:05.17 | mckenziemc | punches Torhal. |
| 18:05.56 | Outrider | next expansion Unkle :) just you wait |
| 18:06.17 | Outrider | Doomfist, now with 1000% more fist. |
| 18:06.57 | Unkle | I haven't been playing much since February. Too much pain. But I want to punch more shit in the face with big magic weapons. |
| 18:07.29 | Gnarfoz | we don't know the armor class of the DH, to we? |
| 18:07.49 | nevcairiel | someone claims leather |
| 18:07.53 | nevcairiel | but mail would make more sense |
| 18:08.03 | karl_w_w | are there any media players that do A to B repeat anymore? |
| 18:08.05 | Outrider | I'm betting on cloth |
| 18:08.18 | nevcairiel | inventing extra melee cloth would make no sense |
| 18:08.25 | Outrider | exactly! |
| 18:08.31 | nevcairiel | so we already have agility leather or mail, and what would work |
| 18:08.36 | nevcairiel | mail would nicely balance the armor types |
| 18:08.45 | wodim | hi, quick question, are they going to remove the monthly payment? |
| 18:08.52 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:08.55 | wodim | thx |
| 18:09.33 | mckenziemc | odd question o.o |
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| 18:10.13 | Torhal | applies 1,000 hole-punchers to mckenziemc's appendages. |
| 18:10.39 | wodim | idk it's the only thing i cared about lol |
| 18:11.02 | Unkle | I can't imagine that any company wants to turn off the cash spigot of subscription revenue unless they have no other choice. |
| 18:11.07 | Outrider | monthly payment gone! But .... its $45 to make a demon hunter |
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| 18:11.13 | Outrider | more at 11 |
| 18:11.38 | Torhal | Equipping new bags requires $1 per slot. |
| 18:11.52 | wodim | well the day i saw they had integrated a shop inside the client |
| 18:11.55 | wodim | i had a good laugh |
| 18:12.10 | Torhal | They laughed harder, though, wodim, because people actually use it. |
| 18:12.16 | wodim | I can imagine |
| 18:12.19 | mckenziemc | and then it stuck around, wodim? :D |
| 18:12.20 | Unkle | I've used it. :) |
| 18:12.28 | Semlar | uses torhal |
| 18:12.35 | wodim | i left at wotlk |
| 18:12.38 | wodim | so I can't say |
| 18:12.40 | Unkle | ... I don't think he swings that way. |
| 18:12.40 | wodim | just asking... |
| 18:12.51 | Semlar | he'll make an exception |
| 18:13.07 | Torhal | inserts an emulsifier between each layer of Semlar's skin. |
| 18:13.45 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 18:14.11 | Torhal | Deterrent. |
| 18:14.14 | Semlar | you need to fix battle net, this is getting out of hand |
| 18:15.01 | Torhal | I fixed it so it would be unavailable to you, Semlar. |
| 18:15.12 | Semlar | that is the opposite of fixing it torhal |
| 18:15.23 | Torhal | Just for you, though. |
| 18:15.26 | Neffi | fixes Semlar |
| 18:15.33 | Neffi | snip snip |
| 18:15.40 | Torhal | You spayed Semlar, Neffi? |
| 18:16.10 | Neffi | totes |
| 18:16.40 | Semlar | all of my boats just blew up |
| 18:17.00 | Torhal | He said "totes," Semlar... not "boats." |
| 18:17.09 | Semlar | they sunk my battleship |
| 18:18.17 | Unkle | You may be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you'll dance with the Reaper. |
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| 18:31.58 | Unkle | "the ability to balance PvP a little more independently of of PvE" - and I think the crowd didn't grok the impact. |
| 18:34.06 | Gnarfoz | or they just don't care about pvp :D |
| 18:39.45 | Unkle | Could be, but it means a significant change for pve players too. |
| 18:40.17 | Semlar | that crowd didn't react to any of his jokes |
| 18:41.15 | Unkle | Jokes in other languages are hard. He's speaking English to a largely German crowd. And while many Germans speak English pretty well, humor is still hard to work through in a language not your native tongue. |
| 18:41.17 | Semlar | they reacted to demon hunters and double jumps |
| 18:42.13 | Neffiphone | ... double jumps? |
| 18:42.15 | Semlar | HE SAID A FUNNY JOKE, YOU LAUGH NOW |
| 18:42.38 | Unkle | Demon Hunters will get to do a second jump action while in the middle of a jump. |
| 18:42.48 | Neffiphone | wtf |
| 18:42.50 | Semlar | jump hype |
| 18:42.58 | Torhal | You know, Neffiphone - like ANYONE in WildStar can right now. |
| 18:43.01 | Neffiphone | y u do dis semlar |
| 18:43.22 | Semlar | i needed someone to be able to reach the top shelf |
| 18:43.31 | Unkle | So they're going to be jumping around like every fucking jack-hole did in that recent SF MMO... |
| 18:43.34 | Unkle | Wildstar. |
| 18:43.34 | mckenziemc | jumps on Torhal. |
| 18:43.43 | mckenziemc | Ready Torhal? THROW! |
| 18:43.50 | Torhal | double-jumps on mckenziemc's face while wearing golf shoes. |
| 18:43.57 | Torhal | :O |
| 18:43.57 | Semlar | harsh torhal |
| 18:44.11 | Unkle | (Sorry, pain drugs are doing a real number on my memory and stuff today) |
| 18:44.42 | Semlar | apparently demon hunters aren't actually hunters |
| 18:44.45 | Neffiphone | drugs are bad Unkle |
| 18:45.05 | Torhal | Unkle eating your face off because he's in agony is worse, Neffiphone. |
| 18:45.30 | Neffiphone | sounds OK to me |
| 18:45.35 | mckenziemc | let's just feed him Torhal |
| 18:45.37 | mckenziemc | win-win |
| 18:45.49 | Neffiphone | grabs torhal |
| 18:45.59 | Torhal | melts mckenziemc down to forge an Artifact Weapon for Neffiphone. |
| 18:46.00 | mckenziemc | where o.o |
| 18:46.05 | Unkle | Truth be told, neffi's face probably doesn't taste all that good, but is probably high in protein. |
| 18:46.49 | Neffiphone | how dare you |
| 18:47.00 | Neffiphone | my face tastes fantastic tyvm |
| 18:47.59 | Semlar | well Gimp's domain expired |
| 18:48.12 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 18:48.34 | Semlar | i wonder if that's important |
| 18:48.49 | mckenziemc | so gimp is gimped for real now? |
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| 18:50.50 | Primer | Surely an oversight? |
| 18:50.54 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: I think they know: http://i.imgur.com/ivpSDvg.png |
| 18:51.35 | Semlar | what is this google plus thing |
| 18:51.57 | mckenziemc | and why is gimp using it |
| 18:52.02 | mckenziemc | :D |
| 18:52.26 | Semlar | probably because they don't have a website |
| 18:52.51 | mckenziemc | fails Semlar. |
| 18:53.02 | Semlar | you have failed me for the last time! |
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| 19:04.58 | Unkle | Neffiphone: Have you been basting your face with BBQ sauce? |
| 19:09.13 | mckenziemc | i wouldn't call it that, Unkle |
| 19:09.46 | mckenziemc | see *:45:50 |
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| 19:13.16 | Unkle | ... You're all bad people and I love you for it. |
| 19:14.06 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 19:15.45 | Unkle | I was sort of hoping that Demon Hunters could be of any race going forward. |
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| 19:16.19 | Unkle | because I want to be a Draenei demon hunter. |
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| 19:17.05 | nevcairiel | only elfs |
| 19:17.07 | nevcairiel | lore etc |
| 19:17.12 | Unkle | Sort of "Hah, I am Eredar - but I'm still a champion of the light." |
| 19:17.48 | nevcairiel | i can imagine they wanted to cut down art resources, as they will need a lot of special assets to make it look demon huntery |
| 19:17.54 | nevcairiel | so less classes, more better |
| 19:18.09 | nevcairiel | er, races |
| 19:18.44 | nebula169 | people were saying one of the slides showed a worgen dh, but i missed that |
| 19:19.37 | Neffi | <Unkle> Neffiphone: Have you been basting your face with BBQ sauce? <- ofc now. honey mustard sauce all day |
| 19:19.50 | Unkle | Neffi: hawt |
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| 19:20.37 | Unkle | I didn't see any race but elves. |
| 19:22.10 | mckenziemc | racist |
| 19:23.39 | nevcairiel | Semlar: this is why we dont have panda demon hunters http://i.imgur.com/0susTf3.png |
| 19:23.43 | Unkle | Honestly, I'm shocked we don't see more racism in WoW. |
| 19:24.09 | Unkle | That guy will be played by Jack Black in the WoW sequel. |
| 19:24.11 | Semlar | nevcairiel: that is not a reason for not having panda demon hunters |
| 19:24.48 | Gnarfoz | chaud: when was the latest post about class distribution? |
| 19:25.03 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 90% hunter |
| 19:25.09 | Gnarfoz | that's a given |
| 19:25.18 | Semlar | felt closer to 97% |
| 19:26.04 | chaud | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4773-BRF-Item-Level-Increase-Effects-Class-Representation-by-Ilvl-Blue-Tweets-DLC-481 |
| 19:26.16 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.35 | Semlar | so at very low item levels hunters have the highest representation, and at the higher levels it's a little ahead of mages |
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| 19:31.55 | mckenziemc | so, no Splashran :( |
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| 19:37.42 | mckenziemc | uses Splash against Torhal. |
| 19:38.57 | Simca_ | I would bet it's one of those things they'll open up in 7.1/7.2/8.0 (demon hunter races) |
| 19:39.22 | Unkle | Also, I'm going to need a character slot. |
| 19:39.36 | Simca_ | it makes no sense for non-elves to be them right this second, but as so as the elf demon hunters are released and can mingle with the other races, they should be able to teach the other races about it |
| 19:39.44 | Simca_ | as soon as* |
| 19:40.35 | Unkle | They're going to do the "unique starting experience" thing like they did for DKs, so... who knows how that'll work out. |
| 19:42.14 | Dagmar | I wonder if players will be able to click to put out their own eyes |
| 19:51.46 | VIad | btw my joke earlier about rogue class hall feeling empty, unsure if the joke came through properly :p |
| 19:51.48 | mckenziemc | telestabber? :) |
| 19:52.08 | mckenziemc | casts Flare. |
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| 19:59.26 | Shirik | Oregon just passed a law for automatic voter registration :D |
| 20:00.30 | Gnarfoz | what does that mean? |
| 20:00.58 | Ressy | probably means no difficulty in getting a voter card if you don't have ID or whatever. |
| 20:01.04 | Shirik | In America you have to register to vote. In Oregon, so long as you have a driver's license or ID card, you are automatically registered to vote |
| 20:01.43 | Gnarfoz | that... seems like a thing that should be in place everywhere, in a supposed democracy? :D |
| 20:01.47 | Shirik | I agree |
| 20:01.54 | Ressy | mmhmm |
| 20:01.57 | Gnarfoz | but then, you don't have national ID |
| 20:02.02 | Shirik | instead, you now have to "opt out" of voting |
| 20:02.04 | Gnarfoz | which is probably why it's not like that |
| 20:02.13 | Gnarfoz | by... just not going? :D |
| 20:02.16 | Shirik | to be fair, this makes a lot more sense in Oregon where we don't even have polling places |
| 20:02.30 | Shirik | all voting in Oregon is done by mail |
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| 20:02.50 | Ressy | We have things in place here that you can register online, or during the various rounds of people from elections canada going door to door to make sure people are registered to vote, and can sign them up there & then. |
| 20:04.09 | Shirik | lol wtf "The change was not universally embraced. HB 2177 passed both chambers of the state Legislature without a single Republican vote in its favor. Some worried about privacy matters and others wondered why it was necessary to make registration even easier." |
| 20:04.40 | mckenziemc | lol? |
| 20:04.42 | Ressy | Because it means minorities will suddenly be registered to vote now. |
| 20:05.48 | Ressy | with that ID card. |
| 20:08.13 | Ressy | Our conservatives pulled the same bullshit for this next election in October. |
| 20:08.43 | Ressy | Now need multiple forms of ID and proof of residence to vote. |
| 20:08.47 | Ressy | even if registered. |
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| 20:10.50 | Gnarfoz | seems weird to make voting hard, intentionally |
| 20:11.08 | mckenziemc | needed to free two more frostwolf slaves, found a group of three. one got to stay enslaved #wowlogic |
| 20:12.17 | Semlar | you only needed 2 |
| 20:13.29 | mckenziemc | enslaves Semlar. |
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| 20:20.11 | Torhal | banishes Neffiphone. |
| 20:24.05 | nebula169 | didn't realize some states make it inconvenient to vote, in MN you just check a box when you renew your license and/or show your id at the poll |
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| 20:46.06 | kd3 | hm, blizzard released some artifacts in the press kit |
| 20:46.23 | nevcairiel | you mean the ones they had on their website |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | or more than the 5 |
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| 20:50.32 | kd3 | nah, aluneth didn't appear anywhere iirc: https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/629391898285768705 |
| 20:50.32 | kd3 | or fang: https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/629392220861280257 or the icebreaker/icebreaker shield: https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/629392480018927616 |
| 20:51.29 | nevcairiel | he did mention the prot warrior combo briefly, but they didnt show pictures |
| 20:51.46 | nevcairiel | the dagger looks stupid |
| 20:52.08 | nevcairiel | but maybe its supposed to be a hand-axe for combat =p |
| 20:56.57 | nevcairiel | i'm still a bit sad they really went with leather for the DH |
| 20:57.07 | nevcairiel | mail would've given all armor classes such a nice balance |
| 20:57.39 | nebula169 | thematically makes sense, though |
| 20:57.53 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 20:58.02 | nevcairiel | but 3:3:3:3 > 3:4:2:3 =P |
| 20:59.17 | nevcairiel | and its also more melees |
| 20:59.29 | nevcairiel | pandaria added melee dps |
| 20:59.31 | Semlar | yeah, they should just remove melee from the game |
| 20:59.48 | nevcairiel | this adds two melee dps specs, if the rumors hold true and survival hunters really are melees now |
| 21:00.00 | nevcairiel | and then they design fights which hate melees all the time |
| 21:00.12 | nevcairiel | and we havent gotten a new range dps class ... ever |
| 21:00.36 | nevcairiel | we got DKs, we got monks, we get DHs, they turn hunters into melees |
| 21:00.36 | Semlar | we don't need another ranged class because we already have the majority of players playing one |
| 21:01.00 | nevcairiel | i suppose as alliance we got one range dps spec in BC |
| 21:01.04 | nevcairiel | with shamans unlocking |
| 21:01.29 | nebula169 | hope survival is melee instead of the weapon being like a javelin |
| 21:01.31 | nebula169 | ! |
| 21:01.37 | nevcairiel | that would be stupid |
| 21:01.40 | nevcairiel | i bet its melee |
| 21:02.05 | Semlar | survival being melee is absurd to begin with |
| 21:02.29 | Semlar | people are basing that around the fact that he said the survival hunter artifact was a spear |
| 21:02.34 | nevcairiel | i kinda like the overall idea, it clearly defines all the 3 hunter specs .. pets, range, melee |
| 21:02.42 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 21:03.16 | nevcairiel | people have asked for melee hunter for along time, so its not too absurd |
| 21:03.31 | Semlar | then play a rogue? |
| 21:04.05 | nevcairiel | maybe its a tank spec! |
| 21:04.26 | nevcairiel | i bet its one of the first questions for QA on sunday |
| 21:05.43 | Semlar | not that they couldn't change survival to melee, but it's a rather drastic assumption people are making from an offhand comment |
| 21:06.04 | nebula169 | i mean, the weapon wasn't a gun, bow, or xbow |
| 21:06.12 | nebula169 | OBVIOUS CHOICE |
| 21:06.34 | nevcairiel | well the assumption would be that they wouldnt make such a big mistake, and there is a bow in the material we have for other hunter specs, apparently, so I think its not too absurd |
| 21:06.45 | nevcairiel | sometimes they intentionally sneak such things in to generate hype |
| 21:06.48 | Semlar | you can throw a spear, but even assuming it's not some magical superspear, you're assuming that the polearm actually is for hunters |
| 21:07.11 | nevcairiel | who else would wear a polearm |
| 21:07.18 | Semlar | druids |
| 21:07.50 | nevcairiel | thats what I thought at first as well with all the animals and stuff, but feral or guardian get their forms changed and not fancy weapon skins |
| 21:08.19 | nebula169 | they still need something to put in the weapon slot, but i think that's a long shot |
| 21:08.43 | nebula169 | considering feral was something something fangs |
| 21:08.48 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 21:09.05 | Semlar | what does guardian get |
| 21:09.08 | nevcairiel | fangs of the first nightsaber |
| 21:09.11 | nevcairiel | unknown |
| 21:09.30 | nevcairiel | but its safe to assume that it will be similar to feral, form changes |
| 21:09.56 | nevcairiel | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2015/august/Panel029.jpg |
| 21:10.01 | nevcairiel | this looks feral in soem details |
| 21:10.05 | nevcairiel | but could be equally hunter.. |
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| 21:10.52 | Gethe | nevcairiel: thats survival hunter |
| 21:10.59 | nevcairiel | read the discussion =p |
| 21:11.04 | Semlar | tries to calm gethe down |
| 21:11.35 | nevcairiel | there is precendece for melee hunters in any case, see rexxar |
| 21:11.37 | Semlar | the last one has a god damn bear paw on it, but we'll see |
| 21:12.13 | Semlar | adding a melee spec to hunters would be a drastic change |
| 21:12.25 | nevcairiel | interesting though |
| 21:12.35 | Semlar | i wouldn't want it to be dps if they do |
| 21:12.37 | nebula169 | that's why they nerfed survival so hard |
| 21:12.48 | Semlar | i would want it to be a tank |
| 21:13.02 | nevcairiel | there is already too many tank specs if you ask me |
| 21:13.07 | nevcairiel | but its not totally impossible i suppose |
| 21:13.11 | nebula169 | yea, should just delete brm |
| 21:13.14 | nebula169 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.20 | Gethe | nope |
| 21:13.21 | Semlar | to be fair it is called survival |
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| 21:13.56 | Semlar | i would expect melee hunters to dual wield though |
| 21:14.06 | nevcairiel | apparently not! |
| 21:15.32 | Semlar | i guess it makes sense to give agility spears to someone other than feral, if they don't swap between agility and strength |
| 21:15.48 | nevcairiel | monks can use them |
| 21:15.51 | nevcairiel | melee/tank |
| 21:15.55 | Semlar | oh right, those things |
| 21:16.13 | Semlar | monks are an endangered species |
| 21:16.24 | nevcairiel | we have one of each of their specs |
| 21:16.26 | Semlar | i keep forgetting they exist |
| 21:16.36 | Semlar | well we have none of each of their specs |
| 21:16.50 | nevcairiel | monk tanks can be pretty strong on some fights |
| 21:16.59 | nevcairiel | their rnd active mitigation fails them on others though |
| 21:18.00 | nevcairiel | monk dps is pretty weak right now, and healers are so-so, many cant play monk healer correctly =p |
| 21:18.13 | Semlar | windwalkers are super good against 2-3 targets though |
| 21:18.41 | nevcairiel | if up long enough yeah |
| 21:18.50 | Semlar | monks in general are harder to play |
| 21:19.04 | Semlar | so it's kind of hard to tell how good they really can be |
| 21:19.38 | Semlar | i have a monk alt and i find the ox statue to be op as hell |
| 21:19.43 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 21:19.52 | Semlar | it's basically like having an offtank that picks everything up for you |
| 21:19.55 | nevcairiel | it can trivialize so many things |
| 21:20.08 | Semlar | and a ranged aoe free threat builder that slows |
| 21:20.24 | nevcairiel | dont think the barrel is used that much |
| 21:20.31 | nevcairiel | which is sad, its a great iconic spell |
| 21:20.52 | Semlar | maybe not in raids, i use it though |
| 21:21.10 | nevcairiel | for kiting its brilliant |
| 21:21.26 | Kraps | whos crow dude, isnt medivh dead |
| 21:21.35 | nevcairiel | khadgar |
| 21:21.51 | Semlar | aka wrathion |
| 21:22.03 | nevcairiel | medivhvs pupil, he wears his staff and gets his crow shapeshift due to that |
| 21:22.14 | nevcairiel | apparently he also lives in medivhs house now |
| 21:22.15 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.17 | Semlar | khadgar is clearly wrathion, don't fall for that shit |
| 21:22.51 | Kraps | wrathion is a dragon tho no? |
| 21:23.03 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:23.05 | Semlar | wrathion the shapeshifting dragon who gave us our last legendary |
| 21:23.10 | nevcairiel | but dragons can take human form, so why not crow form |
| 21:23.51 | Semlar | and here's khadgar, giving us the next legendary |
| 21:23.53 | Semlar | COINCIDENCE? |
| 21:24.34 | nevcairiel | yes! |
| 21:24.40 | Semlar | I THINK NOT! |
| 21:26.47 | Semlar | have you ever seen the two of them in the same place? |
| 21:29.20 | Semlar | there's an eagle spear for bear form, aquatic form, moonkin form, flight form, and um.. wolf form. |
| 21:31.32 | Kraps | is the lady on the gamescom stage a blizzard employee |
| 21:32.52 | nevcairiel | soe? ie. the girl that introduced it? I don't think so, just a guest host |
| 22:07.03 | Mr_Rabies | her voice gave me a headache |
| 22:07.10 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno why, but it was like nails on a chalkboard to me |
| 22:07.27 | Kraps | why were they talking about destiny in the earning scall? |
| 22:08.29 | Kraps | oh its all of activision |
| 22:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | when someone leaves chat immediately after talking i envision them just looking at a window and leaping out of it right after saying something |
| 22:12.29 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 22:17.53 | mckenziemc | too bad Neffi didn't say anything |
| 22:18.09 | mckenziemc | that would've been interesting to see him walk out of a window while answering his phone. |
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| 22:33.31 | WrathTECH | Evening everyone |
| 22:33.46 | mckenziemc | yo |
| 22:34.03 | mckenziemc | ready for more learning-headaches? :p |
| 22:34.15 | WrathTECH | Omg, I dunno. haha :D |
| 22:34.26 | Neffi | wat |
| 22:34.32 | WrathTECH | Working with action bars right now, for my UI :) |
| 22:34.38 | Neffi | action bars are fun |
| 22:34.44 | Neffi | by which I mean they're kind of a headache |
| 22:34.51 | Neffi | by which I mean I hate working with action bars |
| 22:34.59 | WrathTECH | Specially with UI scale set to 1.0 |
| 22:35.17 | WrathTECH | "It's soo cluttered! |
| 22:35.20 | Neffi | they're not so bad if you make them from scratch, but then you have to do everything manually to make them look and work like the user expects |
| 22:35.40 | WrathTECH | I'm reusing most of blizzards code, so just moving and scaling them down. |
| 22:36.13 | Neffi | yeahif you reuse the existing templates and code they're pretty easy to make but also a bitch if you wanna do some kind of weird non-standard things |
| 22:36.39 | Neffi | reuses Semlar's template and then grafts Torhal's head onto it. |
| 22:36.54 | WrathTECH | Nope, nothing major, I will be modding the Icons to a cleaner style, which I have done. Did a bacth process with Photoshop. |
| 22:37.39 | WrathTECH | Basically the CleanIcons mod on WoW Interface. |
| 22:38.25 | WrathTECH | One thing I am having an issue with right now, kinda has me stumped, when the rep bars get switched all my Dividers return. : / |
| 22:42.04 | Torhal | performs an ass transplant between Neffi and Semlar. |
| 22:43.05 | mckenziemc | hmm |
| 22:43.45 | mckenziemc | i wonder how many people would hate me if i wrote an addon taht auto-responded "trite" when anyone "grats"ed me for an achievement |
| 22:44.30 | Torhal | Or, perhaps "Yeah, bitch! That's right!" |
| 22:44.47 | Torhal | Or just randomized insults. |
| 22:44.48 | WrathTECH | Auto-Grats v. Auto-Trite! |
| 22:45.35 | WrathTECH | New Blizcon event, brought to you by, Bawls. |
| 22:51.44 | kd3 | now that's a drink I haven't heard in a while |
| 22:52.05 | kd3 | drank entirely too much of that back in school at lan parties |
| 22:52.23 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 22:52.50 | kd3 | http://www.bawls.com/flavors/original |
| 22:52.57 | mckenziemc | oh |
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| 22:54.33 | WrathTECH | Yeah, we used to buy cases for LAN Parties |
| 22:55.38 | WrathTECH | is it just me or is it one of those days where you sit and stare more then you do any actual programming... |
| 22:56.32 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 22:56.44 | Shirik | wow that stuff is ancient |
| 22:57.21 | WrathTECH | No, mckenziemc, no drugs... just really tired lol |
| 22:57.47 | mckenziemc | O.o |
| 22:58.15 | WrathTECH | lol (Haven't taken a lesson to not program when tired) |
| 23:01.05 | WrathTECH | Out of curiosity, how much of a pain is it to make new Rep and XP bars, seems the stock UI ones don't like to be messed with. |
| 23:18.52 | mckenziemc | seems like it *should* be easy... |
| 23:19.45 | Neffi | -*- Torhal performs an ass transplant between Neffi and Semlar. <- umm |
| 23:19.48 | Neffi | touches his own butt. |
| 23:20.32 | mckenziemc | o.O |
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