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| 00:00.27 | Semlar | explicitly protects neffi |
| 00:00.51 | Neffi | hooks Semlar insecurely. |
| 00:01.16 | Semlar | hooker |
| 00:01.30 | mckenziemc | sets a metatable for Neffi's _G. |
| 00:02.27 | Neffi | executes setmetatable(self, { __index = Semlar, __metatable = false }) |
| 00:02.36 | Semlar | executes neffi |
| 00:12.20 | Shirik | my license plates have arrived :D |
| 00:13.13 | kd3 | tgm starting shortly! - http://twitch.tv/gamesdonequick |
| 00:13.16 | mckenziemc | hasn't it only been like 5 days since your latest temporary? :p |
| 00:13.30 | kd3 | if you catch anything this SGDQ, watch this |
| 00:19.28 | Shirik | mckenziemc: "latest temporary" |
| 00:19.31 | Shirik | there should only be ONE temporary |
| 00:19.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:19.36 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 00:36.57 | Semlar | you can't anchor a protected frame to its not-explicitly-protected-but-still-protected parent :( |
| 00:38.53 | foxlit | eh. |
| 00:39.39 | Semlar | you can't, for example, create a macro button parented to one of blizzard's talent buttons and anchor it to that button, even though it's now technically protected because its child is |
| 00:40.32 | Semlar | you can't even get a reference to its parent inside the restricted environment |
| 00:41.40 | foxlit | eh. |
| 00:41.47 | Semlar | tries to calm foxlit down |
| 00:43.15 | foxlit | EH? |
| 00:43.22 | Semlar | IT DOESN'T WORK |
| 00:43.26 | Semlar | EVERYTHING IS RUINED |
| 00:43.51 | foxlit | YOU BROKE EVERYTHING. |
| 00:43.57 | Semlar | naturally |
| 00:44.06 | foxlit | YOU MONSTER. |
| 00:44.13 | pompy | reported. |
| 00:44.14 | Semlar | I JUST WANT TO PUT A BUTTON ON THE BUTTON |
| 00:44.24 | kd3 | TGM stream starting now! http://twitch.tv/gamesdonequick |
| 00:44.49 | foxlit | BRAVER MEN HAVE WANTED TO PUT OTHER MEN ON THE MOON. |
| 00:45.02 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 00:45.06 | Semlar | without having to anchor the button to the screen based on the other button's offsets |
| 00:45.06 | foxlit | and I have no idea where that is going |
| 00:45.39 | foxlit | look, you said talents? |
| 00:45.47 | Semlar | yeah |
| 00:45.57 | Semlar | like PlayerTalentFrameTalentsTalentRow1Talent1 |
| 00:46.12 | foxlit | yeah, in other words, junk |
| 00:46.52 | foxlit | pester Guillotine to get talent api into SABT and then replace tge entire talentui |
| 00:47.15 | Semlar | @guillotine plz |
| 00:47.34 | Semlar | i think we scared him off |
| 00:47.56 | mckenziemc | too many requests |
| 00:48.00 | foxlit | I think you're also wrong as far as anchoring is concerned, but that isn't interesting enough to bother with without a computer |
| 00:48.05 | Semlar | do you understand how many raid tiers it would cost us to add a talent api |
| 00:48.27 | Semlar | hey, i tried all the things that i'm pretty sure are supposed to work |
| 00:50.15 | foxlit | you could also just settle for this working only out of combat |
| 00:50.22 | Semlar | i even thought parenting a protected frame to it would allow me to anchor to it because i used something similar on nameplates but apparently not |
| 00:50.29 | Semlar | it doesn't even work out of combat |
| 00:50.32 | Semlar | you just can't anchor to it |
| 00:50.38 | foxlit | because that is when normal people change talents. |
| 00:51.12 | Semlar | i have to use this nonsense macro:SetPoint('TOPLEFT', nil, 'BOTTOMLEFT', button:GetLeft(), button:GetTop()) |
| 00:51.21 | foxlit | could always anchor from insecure code |
| 00:51.49 | Semlar | i mean nothing works, not a direct call from SetPoint or one from the restricted environment |
| 00:52.22 | Semlar | if i call SetPoint on my action button to the talent button, and then call GetPoint on it, you get nothing |
| 00:53.02 | foxlit | that sounds like a problem between chair and monitor |
| 00:53.47 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.19 | mckenziemc | he doesn't use a monitor |
| 00:54.23 | Semlar | 1) the insecure call doesn't work |
| 00:54.24 | mckenziemc | he has a neural implant |
| 00:54.41 | Semlar | 2) the protected call lets you know it's an invalid relative frame handle |
| 00:54.58 | Semlar | and yes i'm loading the talent ui first |
| 00:56.51 | Semlar | PlayerTalentFrameTalentsTalentRow1Talent1:IsProtected() returns true, false since i'm parenting to the button, and yet you still can't call SetPoint on it |
| 00:57.31 | foxlit | I cant run any code for you for the next twelve days or so |
| 00:57.40 | Semlar | foxliiiiiiit |
| 00:58.15 | Semlar | as far as i can tell, the frame has to be explicitly protected to use it as an anchor |
| 00:58.24 | foxlit | intuitively, setallpoints should not fail; maybe you shouldnt pass the argument. |
| 00:58.31 | Semlar | i tried it both ways |
| 00:59.21 | Semlar | it actually anchors it to the entire screen if you put nothing in it inside Execute |
| 00:59.30 | foxlit | I use that pattern in MP; it works there |
| 00:59.42 | Semlar | what do you anchor to |
| 01:00.05 | foxlit | some nonsense buttons within the garrisonui |
| 01:00.12 | foxlit | ship equipment slots |
| 01:00.19 | Semlar | maybe it's something weird with the talent button itself |
| 01:00.39 | Semlar | or i'm just missing something obvious |
| 01:01.09 | foxlit | as for restricted env, read the code. |
| 01:01.31 | Semlar | uh, it works if i use PlayerTalentFrame |
| 01:01.48 | Mr_Rabies | Ships constructed at a Level 3 Shipyard should now always be Rare quality or better with an increased chance to be Epic quality. |
| 01:01.53 | Semlar | instead of the talent button itself |
| 01:01.57 | Mr_Rabies | aww yisss |
| 01:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | now i can drop my stupid lumber mill again |
| 01:02.23 | foxlit | check if parent exists, is anchored? |
| 01:02.31 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20216/RestrictedFrames.lua#421 |
| 01:02.41 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait, i dind't post the relevant part to make the lumber mill thing make sense |
| 01:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | Completing the first Draenor Heroic Dungeon of the day now awards 200 Garrison Resource (up from 50). |
| 01:03.41 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.24 | Semlar | if i swap PlayerTalentFrameTalentsTalentRow1Talent1 to PlayerTalentFrame, everything works as expected, it anchors to the entire talent frame no problem |
| 01:05.39 | foxlit | external code messing with your frames? |
| 01:08.22 | Semlar | can't use anything deeper than PlayerTalentFrame |
| 01:09.11 | Semlar | i would almost think the frames don't exist when my button is being created, except everything indicates that it is being parented to them |
| 01:13.16 | foxlit | it is my opinion that there should be no magic there, and anchoring from insecure code should work. |
| 01:13.36 | Semlar | i know, which is why this is driving me crazy |
| 01:13.50 | Semlar | CreateFrame('button', 'TalentTest', PlayerTalentFrame, 'SecureActionButtonTemplate, SecureHandlerBaseTemplate'):SetAllPoints() works |
| 01:14.06 | Semlar | CreateFrame('button', 'TalentTest', PlayerTalentFrameTalents, 'SecureActionButtonTemplate, SecureHandlerBaseTemplate'):SetAllPoints() doesn't |
| 01:14.28 | Semlar | can't anchor to any frames deeper than PlayerTalentFrame |
| 01:14.33 | Semlar | don't know why |
| 01:15.29 | Semlar | and i know you're going to think i'm doing something wrong until you can run it yourself |
| 01:17.47 | kullervo | well that's new, I actually managed to crash wow with WA |
| 01:18.47 | Semlar | i'm just going to mark this as voodoo until i can investigate it more |
| 01:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | is there a way to get the full duration of an item? |
| 01:19.59 | Mr_Rabies | i've got two of the same item with a 7 day duration, but i got one a couple hours later |
| 01:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | any way to tell which is which? |
| 01:20.58 | Semlar | i think there should be a unique id in its item link to differentiate them, but i don't know if you can get the exact duration |
| 01:24.08 | Semlar | why are the mission completion orders unique to 5 if it just mails you the things that you can't loot out of the box |
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| 01:52.26 | Mr_Rabies | oh does it? |
| 01:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | i was afraid i was just losing out if i had more than 5 |
| 01:53.06 | Semlar | that's just what they want you to think |
| 01:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | i do like that they made the salvage yard less spammy, but the only reason i have it is because i have no use for any of the garrison buildings other than enchanting |
| 01:55.48 | Mr_Rabies | i have a bank, enchanting building, and salvage yard |
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| 02:50.42 | phelps | is there a way to use the toast frame for my own custom messages ? |
| 02:51.13 | phelps | say I have a chat tab not active and a message is sent to it, I can show a frame like the toast frame with the message |
| 02:51.15 | Stanzilla | libtoast |
| 02:51.34 | phelps | sweet |
| 02:51.50 | phelps | thanks :D |
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| 04:07.21 | fewyn | i'm kind of sad my shipyard didn't change at all when i upgrade it's levels :/ |
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| 04:28.37 | Simca | whoever came in here a week and complained about the integer overflow errors with raidframe spread the plague to me |
| 04:28.48 | Simca | ever since then, I get it every single session I open that tab |
| 04:29.16 | Simca | 23x integer overflow attempting to store 2156290181 |
| 04:29.16 | Simca | [C]: in function `format' |
| 04:32.42 | Simca | heh, could be a signed/unsigned issue, based on that number |
| 04:33.26 | Shirik | among the reasons unsigned should have never been invented |
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| 04:35.06 | Simca | ignoring the other aspects of that statement |
| 04:35.22 | Simca | A) it was useful when bits were precious resources |
| 04:35.40 | Simca | B) blizzard devs are a little insane about bit savings, as if they were developing in the 70s |
| 04:36.10 | Simca | they will use 6-bit integers instead of bytes just to save 10 KB |
| 04:36.25 | Simca | (a little insane is perhaps an understatement) |
| 04:36.37 | mckenziemc | well |
| 04:36.43 | mckenziemc | maybe for the servers but |
| 04:36.49 | Simca | no, this is client side |
| 04:36.53 | mckenziemc | yeah :P |
| 04:36.56 | Simca | part of CASC |
| 04:37.03 | Shirik | even embedded systems developers like myself that run on resource-constrained systems strongly believe that unsigned is evil |
| 04:37.09 | Shirik | At least in the safety-critical world |
| 04:38.00 | Simca | isn't half of that because a lot of standard functions return -1 for errors and things |
| 04:38.05 | Torhal | crits Shirik for 1,000 embedded templates. |
| 04:38.35 | Shirik | JSF AV Rule 163: Unsigned arithmetic SHALL NOT be used. Rationale: Over time, unsigned values will likely be mixed with signed values.... |
| 04:39.09 | Shirik | I think MISRA has a rule against it too but I don't have that standard with me here, only at work |
| 04:39.47 | Simca | I guess I can understand in situations where the code is complex enough that the conflict couldn't be determined at compile time |
| 04:40.52 | Simca | for most of what I'm doing (desktop applications) that will never be an issue |
| 04:41.20 | Shirik | for most of what you're doing (desktop applications) I assume that extra bit will also never be an issue (or at least if it were, an extra 4 bytes would not be an issue) |
| 04:41.56 | Shirik | but regardless, I'm not going to change the world from using unsigned. Even the C++ standard uses it in size_t |
| 04:42.38 | mckenziemc | well, it could be argued the whole problem lies in how we implement specifications, and conflicts between different implementations :p |
| 04:42.57 | Simca | in blizzard's case, the conflict is literally between two different languages |
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| 04:46.37 | Shirik | aw |
| 04:46.44 | Shirik | I was gonna talk about how I bed Iriel would vehemently disagree with me |
| 04:49.03 | mckenziemc | maybe that's why Iriel left |
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| 04:54.06 | mckenziemc | guess not |
| 05:03.06 | Semlar | attempts to store simca |
| 05:03.42 | mckenziemc | releases all references to Semlar. |
| 05:03.58 | mckenziemc | prepare to be garbage-collected, mortal |
| 05:04.12 | Semlar | here simca http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/raidinfobugfix |
| 05:06.04 | Simca | could probably update http://www.wowace.com/addons/blizzbugssuck/ with it, Semlar |
| 05:06.08 | Simca | would be wider reaching |
| 05:06.13 | Simca | (and more easily removed) |
| 05:06.35 | Semlar | pfft |
| 05:06.47 | Torhal | stuffs Semlar's ears with mushrooms. |
| 05:07.17 | Simca | IT'S TOO BAD WE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE AUTHORS |
| 05:07.26 | Torhal | >.> |
| 05:07.27 | Torhal | <.< |
| 05:07.33 | Semlar | torhal gonna steal ma hard work |
| 05:07.52 | mckenziemc | i'll save you Torhal |
| 05:07.53 | Semlar | of copying and pasting the entire blizzard functions |
| 05:07.56 | mckenziemc | stabs Torhal. |
| 05:07.56 | Torhal | Nope. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow, I add MOAR STUFF to Toaster. |
| 05:08.14 | Simca | to be fair though the repo is open, any of us could update it and tag the update as release |
| 05:08.16 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 05:08.16 | Simca | lol |
| 05:08.30 | Torhal | canes mckenziemc with Neffi. |
| 05:08.52 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 05:09.30 | Fisker | go to bed Torhal |
| 05:09.37 | Neffi | submerses Torhal in several tones of cane sugar. |
| 05:09.37 | Fisker | We're never settling over here |
| 05:09.43 | Semlar | take me with you torhal |
| 05:09.56 | mckenziemc | Fisker's already waiting for him, Semlar |
| 05:10.11 | Semlar | tags fisker for release |
| 05:10.20 | Fisker | take me too Torhal |
| 05:13.00 | mckenziemc | can't decide whether Neffi's typo was british or american |
| 05:13.33 | Neffi | it was Neffican |
| 05:14.16 | Fisker | "accidentally" hus Cairenn |
| 05:14.18 | Fisker | damn |
| 05:14.19 | Fisker | HUS |
| 05:14.21 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:14.27 | Fisker | cries |
| 05:14.27 | mckenziemc | you sure it wasn't Nefarian? |
| 05:14.37 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 05:14.44 | Fisker | yay \o/ |
| 05:14.46 | Neffi | makes Semlar a naturalized citizen of the People's Republic of Neffi. |
| 05:14.52 | Fisker | sorry for hus'ing you instead of hugging you |
| 05:14.54 | Semlar | i'm people |
| 05:15.19 | mckenziemc | you mean huing? |
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| 06:35.27 | Shirik | some day Ada will become popular again |
| 06:41.33 | tz | rolls his eyes |
| 06:52.45 | foxlit | those of you playing the weather forecast game at home, estimate the time remaining before foxlit is drenched: https://go-hero.net/i/image.jpg |
| 07:00.09 | Shirik | tz: maybe I can make Ada for the web |
| 07:00.23 | Shirik | and then all the crazy web developers will be like YAY NEW LANGUAGE I MUST LEARN IT |
| 07:00.25 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 07:00.30 | Shirik | which is pretty much how web development goes I think |
| 07:00.43 | Mr_Rabies | i installed toaster but apparently have no compatible addons D: |
| 07:00.44 | Shirik | every 30 minutes a new language comes along proposing to fix everything and everyone adopts it instantly |
| 07:01.00 | nevcairiel | why would you trick people into learning Ada, it will only put those Ada developers out of their high paid jobs |
| 07:01.16 | Shirik | good point |
| 07:01.58 | Shirik | I just wish we lived in a world where people believed type safety was a good ting |
| 07:02.12 | Shirik | also I found this which was kinda hilarious http://asharp.martincarlisle.com/ |
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| 07:03.56 | mckenziemc | what is toaster o.o |
| 07:06.48 | mckenziemc | nvm |
| 07:10.40 | mckenziemc | toasts Torhal while he sleeps. |
| 07:28.07 | Torhal | Couldn't sleep, mckenziemc, so the joke is on you; your abode is now toasting. |
| 07:28.28 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: It doesn't detect AddOns until one has emitted a LibToast-1.0 toast. |
| 07:28.42 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 07:29.58 | mckenziemc | Torhal, i thought wowace/curseforge listed reverse dependencies on each addon's project page but didn't see a list for libtoast, am i just looking in the wrong spot? |
| 07:30.36 | mckenziemc | i was just curious :P |
| 07:31.00 | Torhal | mckenziemc: That's actually been broken since 2011. |
| 07:31.05 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 07:31.08 | Torhal | But we have it working on the new platform: http://beta.wowace.com/addons/30503-libtoast-1-0/relations/dependents |
| 07:34.46 | Torhal | Ok - going to attempt sleep again. Yay. |
| 07:37.38 | mckenziemc | don't toast too long |
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| 07:47.14 | rid_ | Toastal |
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| 08:02.25 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: mckenziemc: wasn't that a manual thing, too? or did it rely on parsing pkgmeta? |
| 08:03.33 | nevcairiel | nah its not manual |
| 08:03.33 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 08:03.46 | nevcairiel | it knows forward deps Gnarfoz, building reverse deps is just a function of that |
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| 08:17.56 | mckenziemc | dependencies from the toc, embeds from the pkgmeta, Gnarfoz |
| 08:20.34 | Gnarfoz | oh got nolibs :C |
| 08:20.45 | Gnarfoz | *oh FSM, I mean |
| 08:21.02 | mckenziemc | whatever that means o.o |
| 08:21.25 | Gnarfoz | you don't believe in the FSM? http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 08:22.43 | mckenziemc | typo broke the clue :p |
| 08:49.10 | mckenziemc | heh, regarding reverse-depends being broken since 2011... http://www.curseforge.com/profiles/mckenziemc/addons/ |
| 08:49.13 | mckenziemc | those dates... |
| 08:49.38 | Gnarfoz | nothing is going to happen on that old page anyway ^^ |
| 08:50.38 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 08:52.06 | mckenziemc | on the plus side, no tickets :p |
| 08:53.29 | rid_ | (: |
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| 10:09.07 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/E9mninD |
| 10:10.42 | mckenziemc1 | lol |
| 10:16.17 | karl_w_w | slow mo lightning http://i.imgur.com/8yVgSrL.gifv |
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| 11:00.17 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eit-gbeBIg8 |
| 11:03.03 | Semlar | foxlit: i think i figured out the problem, the talent frame is anchored to a texture |
| 11:04.00 | Semlar | and since regions can't be protected you can't attach your frame to it |
| 11:05.30 | foxlit | "Regions can't be protected" is a little weird. |
| 11:06.31 | foxlit | (makes some amount of sense for fontstrings which expand based on content, but not much else) |
| 11:06.54 | Semlar | well, to be fair textures could change size too |
| 11:07.39 | foxlit | but the explanation is sane, and you can probably fix everything by re-anchoring, so case closed. |
| 11:08.21 | Semlar | yeah, PlayerTalentFrameTalents is anchored to PlayerTalentFrameInsetBg (the background texture) |
| 11:08.34 | foxlit | maybe poke guillotine to have this throw an explicit error/warning event. |
| 11:08.45 | foxlit | Rather than fail silently |
| 11:08.47 | Semlar | so you can't anchor to anything anchored to that |
| 11:10.09 | foxlit | I am disappointed by the lack of ãã±ã¢ãã®å gifs on the internet :( |
| 11:10.43 | Semlar | who isn't |
| 11:11.51 | foxlit | The anti-piracy ad was pretty biting, so maybe those people aren't. |
| 11:13.47 | foxlit | Kyuta attempting to eat breakfast more or less nailed my last few mornings. |
| 11:18.44 | Semlar | re-anchoring PlayerTalentFrameTalents solves the issue |
| 11:24.10 | Semlar | sort of |
| 11:24.37 | Semlar | it looks like every single talent button is anchored to another texture |
| 11:27.10 | Semlar | rather than re-anchor all of this i may as well hard-code the positions of the buttons relative to the parent frame |
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| 12:55.09 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Slacker. |
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| 14:47.12 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52550 |
| 14:47.23 | p3lim | that completely broke the forum :D |
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| 15:06.20 | karl_w_w | why are people blaming microsoft for a bad nvidia driver |
| 15:07.27 | karl_w_w | sure MS could do everyone a favour by not forcing people to update, but nvidia still released the driver |
| 15:07.28 | Fisker | Why is it a bad nvidia driver |
| 15:07.44 | karl_w_w | because it doesn't work apparently |
| 15:07.45 | Fisker | No they didn't |
| 15:08.04 | karl_w_w | so microsoft broke into nvidia HQ and stole it? |
| 15:08.59 | Fisker | So nvidia broke into Microsoft HQ and planted it? |
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| 15:24.33 | karl_w_w | yes obviously Fisker, nvidia forced them to push a dodgy driver |
| 15:24.48 | karl_w_w | just for kicks |
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| 15:25.56 | Fisker | Just proposing and equally absurd possibility karl_w_w |
| 15:49.25 | Semlar | :o |
| 15:53.44 | VIad | carrying scrubs in mythics https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h2xVTg1PRF8j9DCL/#boss=-3&type=damage-done&target=100&start=4300321&end=4948830 |
| 15:53.56 | VIad | 3 man, all died, I finished it alone :p |
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| 15:57.03 | Amarande | VIad: that's kind of sad |
| 15:57.08 | VIad | :D |
| 15:57.10 | Amarande | And I'm not talking about your teammates |
| 15:57.20 | VIad | group dissintegrated on him lol |
| 15:57.35 | Amarande | I'm talking about the fact that even Mythic dungeons yield that readily to overgearedness |
| 15:58.03 | Amarande | Blizzard, are you even capable of coming up with a real challenge anymore? :P |
| 16:01.05 | Ackis | alright headless ubuntu server - do I install some sort of gui so I can connect to a gui remotely, or do I look at adding a VM and playing around with that? |
| 16:09.23 | Shirik | or do you learn the beauty that is ssh |
| 16:09.39 | Shirik | and if you REALLY must, use X forwarding |
| 16:09.55 | Ackis | don't I need a gui on the server to use ssh? |
| 16:10.07 | Shirik | no |
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| 16:12.06 | Ackis | well then, that's what has me confused |
| 16:13.26 | nevcairiel | ssh is a text console interface, no gui involved |
| 16:13.41 | Ackis | yes I know what ssh is |
| 16:14.19 | Ackis | but isn't what Shirik saying that I can run, say firefox through an ssh tunnel and have the "window" open on my PC without needing a gui on the host machine? |
| 16:14.45 | Shirik | to do that you need an X server on the host machine |
| 16:14.58 | Shirik | but yes you can do that |
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| 16:15.53 | Shirik | thats actually how I use my raspberry pi |
| 16:15.58 | nevcairiel | setting that up is a bit in the advanced category though |
| 16:16.21 | nevcairiel | and an X server on your client PC, which under windows isnt that easy to find |
| 16:16.54 | Shirik | just grab xming and putty and you're good to go on windows |
| 16:20.11 | Shirik | regardless Ackis whatever you decide, you're going to need to install x11 on your ubuntu box so you might as well do it now |
| 16:20.18 | Shirik | while you figure out exactly what you want to do |
| 16:21.35 | Amarande | Shirik: which is exactly why I've not been especially enthusiastic about Wayland |
| 16:21.40 | Amarande | it looks like Wayland is an all around lose |
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| 16:22.08 | Amarande | one, you have to run X *anyway* because most applications will still require it, meaning apps instead of running straight on X are running on Wayland through X, yay extra layer of degradation! |
| 16:22.31 | Amarande | two, Wayland apparently doesn't support the built-in remote desktop type stuff that X does, you have to get a "real" remote desktop solution to futz around with |
| 16:24.21 | Ackis | Shirik: I'm not sure what route I want to go - full desktop (e.g. gnome), jury rigging an rdp system, or x11 - if I even want that |
| 16:24.41 | Ackis | main reason I wanted a gui is to make configuring things a bit easier, but really it won't help that much over command line |
| 16:24.58 | nevcairiel | guis dont really help configuring linux much |
| 16:25.48 | Ackis | I'm just really ignorant when it comes to web server, vpn and virtual machines - concepts are easy to understand, I just don't get the exact config related stuff |
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| 16:57.35 | zenzelezz | so, tomorrow is D-day |
| 16:57.40 | zenzelezz | or W-day, depending on how it goes |
| 16:57.46 | nevcairiel | whatday |
| 16:58.06 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is wednesday, so W-day it is |
| 16:58.47 | zenzelezz | Windows 10 |
| 16:58.56 | nevcairiel | oh that |
| 17:00.37 | zenzelezz | now if only programs would stop pretending to let you choose where you want to install, when they dump 90% in Program Files anyway |
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| 17:10.46 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I think half of that is because everyone forgets about installers until the very end of the project, when they rush through and slap together something created by an automated setup generation system that hasn't been configured correctly for a program that is incapable of being installed in multiple places |
| 17:13.36 | pompy | humpday |
| 17:13.39 | pompy | hides |
| 17:14.23 | Fisker | Shirik reveals he forgets about installers |
| 17:18.51 | zenzelezz | Shirik: not an unlikely theory |
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| 17:53.23 | Ackis | Shirik: worst installers ever: Square Enix |
| 17:53.45 | Ackis | if you have your Documents folder mapped to a network drive, it failes |
| 17:53.47 | Ackis | *fails |
| 17:53.57 | Ackis | it's really neat to watch |
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| 18:38.09 | Jamash | dude, http://www.shellcheck.net/ and http://explainshell.com/ are the best things ever |
| 18:39.06 | zenzelezz | that just takes the fun out of it |
| 18:41.44 | Jamash | zenzelezz: for some value of "fun" |
| 18:42.40 | zenzelezz | my value at least |
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| 19:00.12 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: New CAH pack - http://www.designpack.org/ |
| 19:01.43 | Stanzilla | I want cards against Torhal |
| 19:01.52 | Torhal | :O |
| 19:02.58 | mckenziemc | so mean |
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| 19:03.51 | Torhal | mckenziemc: You have four years worth of updates to do on your projects. |
| 19:04.01 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 19:04.15 | mckenziemc | also i think you mean rewrites, if anything :o |
| 19:04.39 | Torhal | You learned proper programming? |
| 19:04.40 | Torhal | >.> |
| 19:04.55 | mckenziemc | well |
| 19:04.57 | mckenziemc | define proper |
| 19:05.46 | Torhal | Punch cards, man. |
| 19:05.58 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 19:06.19 | Torhal | That's how Stanzilla writes his AddOns - Punchcards Against Torhal. |
| 19:07.19 | pompy1 | punches Torhal furiously |
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| 19:07.33 | Torhal | deletes pompy1's account. |
| 19:07.35 | Torhal | <.< |
| 19:07.47 | pompy1 | sigh |
| 19:08.01 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 19:16.47 | Ackis | punches Torhal with a pompy1 |
| 19:17.17 | Torhal | staples Ackis to Neffi. |
| 19:17.39 | mckenziemc | super-glues Torhal to Amarande. |
| 19:18.00 | Torhal | pours a gallon of fire ants down mckenziemc's pants. |
| 19:18.32 | jleclanche | who's up for some Don't Starve together? |
| 19:18.47 | meribold | I need to buy that |
| 19:20.29 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 19:23.35 | mckenziemc | hmm, too much WoW |
| 19:23.39 | mckenziemc | left hand is sore :( |
| 19:23.47 | nevcairiel | wow, right |
| 19:23.49 | zenzelezz | "WoW" |
| 19:25.13 | mckenziemc | dvorak seems to take care of other potential sources :p |
| 19:27.05 | mckenziemc | mind you i've been playing wow almost non-stop since summer session ended :< |
| 19:28.12 | Amarande | Gonna have to face it you're addicted to WoW ... |
| 19:28.26 | mckenziemc | already have :) |
| 19:29.35 | zenzelezz | <mckenziemc> mind you i've been playing wow almost non-stop since summer session ended :< <-- "WoW" |
| 19:30.07 | mckenziemc | *shrug* |
| 19:39.46 | mckenziemc | hmm, is there any virtualization software that includes raspberry pi as a possible client? |
| 19:40.07 | Amarande | ... you want to run VMs on your raspberry pi? |
| 19:40.14 | mckenziemc | no |
| 19:40.18 | mckenziemc | client, not host |
| 19:40.25 | Gnarfoz | I shouldn't have watched Evangelion 3.0 - what the hell is going on :D |
| 19:40.29 | kullervo | hmh how do I make a weak aura hide if unitGetTotalAbsorbs("player") is none |
| 19:40.34 | kullervo | idk if the game gives that particular info |
| 19:40.39 | Amarande | I don't get what you mean, raspberry pi is a device, I don't think there's a such thing as a virtual raspi |
| 19:40.58 | kd3 | any emulator that can run armv6 can load a pi image iirc |
| 19:42.13 | kd3 | http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/344/emulation-on-a-windows-pc |
| 19:44.57 | Primer | kullervo: what's this for? |
| 19:45.18 | Primer | kullervo: I made a weak aura to track priest absorbs, both PW:S and CoW |
| 19:45.32 | Primer | well, it's multiple auraas |
| 19:46.00 | Amarande | Primer: so a person who hides habitually behind priest shields is a CoWard :D |
| 19:46.01 | kullervo | Primer: ALL absorbs |
| 19:46.08 | kullervo | can't have any spell names there |
| 19:46.44 | Primer | I'm pretty sure I only tracked my own absorbs |
| 19:46.52 | mckenziemc | monitor spider didn't like being poked |
| 19:46.56 | mckenziemc | now it's a desk spider :( |
| 19:46.57 | Primer | but I must say, it was one of my better WAs |
| 19:47.10 | Primer | It worked with mouseover |
| 19:47.17 | Primer | but then I spec'd out of CoW |
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| 20:30.54 | VIad | wiped on pug archimonde for 4 raids in the last 6 hours |
| 20:31.09 | VIad | why is he still hard? like I did it last two weeks but this time around had hard times finding groups on my level :( |
| 20:34.15 | zenzelezz | he's learned to adapt |
| 20:34.39 | nevcairiel | why would he get easier |
| 20:34.47 | VIad | people learning it from the past weeks I guess |
| 20:34.56 | VIad | like me |
| 20:35.12 | nevcairiel | he is a hard boss, and its not been long enough for everyone to really have that much experience on him |
| 20:35.21 | Stanzilla | (or gear) |
| 20:35.32 | VIad | req was 700 ilvl |
| 20:35.47 | nevcairiel | well outgearing normal mode isnt that hard |
| 20:35.47 | VIad | wonder how these guys managed to make that a requirement and still be so bad |
| 20:35.58 | VIad | I guess normal archi is now a 710ilvl req :p |
| 20:40.30 | A-KO^^ | windows 10 is up |
| 20:40.31 | A-KO^^ | go grab it :D |
| 20:40.42 | mckenziemc | do we really want to |
| 20:40.56 | A-KO^^ | yes |
| 20:41.00 | A-KO^^ | MS Edge is really, really good. |
| 20:41.21 | nevcairiel | except it lacks a whole bunch of user interface features that even IE11 had done right |
| 20:41.25 | nevcairiel | also, plugins |
| 20:42.36 | Gnarfoz | grabbing win10 for edge |
| 20:42.40 | Gnarfoz | said nobody, ever |
| 20:43.38 | Torhal | plugs A-KO^^ into Edge. |
| 20:44.23 | mckenziemc | installs Trojan Horse OS on Torhal. |
| 20:45.08 | Torhal | has mckenziemc shave a yak. |
| 20:45.18 | mckenziemc | nooooooooo |
| 20:51.05 | Primer | launcher is as buggy as ever |
| 20:51.16 | Primer | at least I didn't have to find the agent process and kill it this time |
| 20:51.51 | Primer | it's sad to think that most (windows) people just reboot to fix that |
| 20:52.30 | Gnarfoz | you shit talking ma' wow? |
| 20:52.50 | Gnarfoz | (what are you even on about) |
| 20:56.36 | mckenziemc | your mum |
| 20:56.54 | Gnarfoz | that's fine m8 |
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| 21:21.09 | Primer | hrmm, the default UI doesn't tell you what your item level is when you've got all pvp gear on and you're in a pvp situation |
| 21:23.30 | mckenziemc | too low |
| 21:26.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think if you mouseover it it does? oh, probably only in bgs/arenas |
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| 21:27.29 | Primer | Don't even have to be in a bg. Hovering anywhere does it. |
| 21:27.34 | Primer | Well, I'm in Stormshield... |
| 21:32.21 | kullervo | Primer: as a tank, I'd prefer to know all the absorbs |
| 21:32.33 | kullervo | but this damn aura prefers not to be hidden |
| 21:33.42 | Primer | I did my auras as a healer, obviously |
| 21:33.56 | Primer | and the absorbs were specific to my spells |
| 21:34.01 | Primer | it didn't count any other's |
| 21:37.16 | kullervo | oh fuck |
| 21:37.21 | kullervo | my logic worked |
| 21:37.31 | kullervo | but I'd set it that the player has to be dead and with no absorbs for the aura to hide |
| 21:42.38 | kullervo | mckenziemc: you were wrong, the "exists" is neccessary or the macro won't progress |
| 21:43.22 | Primer | pretty funny, I did 70k DPS on Kaz on my 684 lock. Apparently I was the only one to have 9 stacks of sludge and have used my zone garrison ability |
| 21:43.43 | Primer | blew everyone out of the water by a huge margin |
| 21:43.46 | mckenziemc | works fine without in my macros o.o |
| 21:44.55 | mckenziemc | are you talking about in weakauras? idk if it works any different |
| 21:46.23 | kullervo | in a macro |
| 21:46.46 | mckenziemc | sounds like you were doing something else wrong then :o |
| 21:46.59 | kullervo | no, it's only that one conditional I changed |
| 21:47.58 | Primer | What class is this for? |
| 21:48.11 | Primer | I understand it should work for any class, but I'm curious |
| 21:48.12 | mckenziemc | what's the full text? |
| 21:48.48 | kullervo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.06 | kullervo | it get sstuck on the player names without "exists" |
| 21:49.11 | kullervo | others work without |
| 21:49.21 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 21:49.58 | Gnarfoz | help implies exists, nodead doesn't |
| 21:50.11 | Gnarfoz | according to http://wow.gamepedia.com/Macro_conditionals#exists |
| 21:50.14 | kullervo | oh |
| 21:50.40 | mckenziemc | well, i did say (wrongly) that both implied it, yesterday |
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| 21:56.35 | mckenziemc | come to think of it, it's not likely to matter but i think exists,nodead would try to use that target even if they're MCed, while help,nodead would skip (not sure) |
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| 22:03.26 | Seerah | A-KO: how did you get it today? |
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| 22:08.13 | Torhal | Seerah: Leet hax. |
| 22:08.22 | Seerah | srsly |
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| 22:16.39 | Gnarfoz | change your timezone, probably ;p |
| 22:18.00 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 22:26.16 | kd3 | grr, working from home and watching SGDQ, cable keeps dropping out |
| 22:27.05 | mckenziemc | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sha+wowpedia&t=ffab&ia=answer |
| 22:27.11 | mckenziemc | thanks ddg |
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| 22:48.27 | Amarande | mckenziemc, just as long as you don't search shamwowpedia instead :) |
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| 23:35.13 | VIad | mckenziemc1: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sha+of+anger&t=ffab&ia=answer |
| 23:35.14 | VIad | :D |
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| 23:45.03 | VIad | Semlar: got archi on heroic down yet? |
| 23:45.46 | Semlar | no |
| 23:46.11 | VIad | what mechanic fucks you up? |
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| 23:47.45 | Semlar | nothing, we've had about 3 pulls on him |
| 23:48.14 | VIad | so why you die twice? |
| 23:48.31 | VIad | pingpong not working out or kiting issues? |
| 23:48.40 | Stanzilla | ... |
| 23:50.30 | VIad | you doing it right now? reset is in 4h for EU, US was 24h ago I guess |
| 23:52.56 | Semlar | no, the reset was like 12 hours ago |
| 23:53.23 | Semlar | either way, we don't raid until 9:45 |
| 23:53.38 | VIad | I am very curious why you wiped twice. tell me :D |
| 23:53.46 | Semlar | i honestly don't even remember |
| 23:53.57 | VIad | :D |
| 23:54.12 | Semlar | people don't believe me when i say literally nobody in the raid has watched a video on the fight |
| 23:54.24 | VIad | I dont believe you either |
| 23:54.25 | nebula169 | sounds like my raid |
| 23:54.33 | Simca_ | i believe you |
| 23:54.35 | Semlar | i couldn't tell you what any of the mechanics are |
| 23:54.40 | Simca_ | because nobody in my raid would have |
| 23:55.02 | VIad | its like how would you know how to properly handle the knockup thing if you see it only once, like on the fly :p |
| 23:55.12 | VIad | well you have done normal archimonde so its the same |
| 23:55.23 | Semlar | no i haven't |
| 23:56.05 | VIad | in any case I wish you luck today :D |
| 23:56.10 | VIad | hope you down him |
| 23:56.39 | Semlar | we are almost definitely not going to get to archimonde tonight |
| 23:56.48 | VIad | I believe in you |
| 23:56.53 | Semlar | we just killed mannoroth last week |
| 23:57.06 | Simca_ | to be fair, mannoroth is a bit of a joke |
| 23:57.25 | Simca_ | compared to xhul anyway, imo |
| 23:57.42 | VIad | for a tank xhul is a joke :3 |
| 23:57.49 | VIad | somewhat the same goes for mannoroth |
| 23:58.25 | VIad | crap gotta sleep soyeah :3 |
| 23:59.08 | Semlar | what fight isn't a joke for tanks |
