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| 00:45.49 | Amarande | znf: I thought the shtick lately was that PvP gear got an ilvl and stat bonus in PvP, while corresponding PvE gear stayed face value |
| 00:45.52 | Amarande | or was that MoP? |
| 00:46.20 | znf | No stat bonus |
| 00:46.25 | znf | Just gets higher in pvp |
| 00:46.47 | znf | But they kept pve gear restricted to a certain ilvl |
| 00:46.56 | znf | Not sure if that is still valid for this season |
| 00:48.24 | kullervo | yeah it gets nerfed to like 690 |
| 00:48.32 | Amarande | hmm ... I'm looking at PvE and PvP weapons on wowhead and the PvP ones still have the ilvl bonus, but there's nothing noted on the PvE ones either way |
| 00:52.02 | znf | they used to be restricted to 690 in Season1 |
| 00:52.04 | znf | not sure now |
| 01:12.39 | kullervo | feels they still are |
| 01:12.53 | kullervo | because for isntance the kazzak 705 trinket gets nerfed to hell |
| 01:15.57 | mckenziemc | aww how cute |
| 01:16.04 | mckenziemc | the postmaster sent me 3 clefthoof milk |
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| 01:54.22 | fewyn | finding a decent transmog |
| 01:54.24 | fewyn | is hard |
| 01:58.23 | Simca | lol wow |
| 01:58.25 | Simca | Removed the Ashran-only 200 Conquest Point bonus to the weekly Conquest cap. Total Conquest cap remains unchanged, but characters no longer need to go to Ashran to earn all of it. |
| 01:58.38 | Simca | is this is a "We realize a lot of people hate Ashran" change? |
| 01:58.42 | fewyn | yes |
| 01:58.46 | fewyn | everyone hates ashran |
| 01:58.59 | fewyn | i don't know a single person who has said they liked it |
| 01:59.05 | Semlar | i like it |
| 01:59.09 | Semlar | boom |
| 01:59.10 | fewyn | you don't count |
| 01:59.21 | Semlar | haters gonna hate |
| 01:59.39 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/E4tFnok.jpg |
| 01:59.49 | Simca | i wonder if this was (in part) responsible for that change |
| 01:59.50 | Simca | lol |
| 01:59.51 | Semlar | 99% of players don't have any idea what to actually do in ashran |
| 02:00.09 | fewyn | yeah |
| 02:00.12 | fewyn | there's no guidance |
| 02:00.15 | fewyn | and to be honest |
| 02:00.19 | fewyn | when they announced it at blizzcon |
| 02:00.24 | fewyn | i thought the map was gonna be huge |
| 02:00.29 | fewyn | like bigger than wintergrasp |
| 02:00.35 | fewyn | and more objectives |
| 02:00.49 | fewyn | right now it's like a crappy tug of war |
| 02:01.24 | Semlar | its biggest issue is that it's really not very clear what you're supposed to be doing to win |
| 02:01.46 | fewyn | i still don't think i know how to "win" is it get to the other base? |
| 02:01.55 | Semlar | who knows |
| 02:02.04 | fewyn | i've tried it like 3-4 times |
| 02:02.08 | fewyn | and it was just like yeah |
| 02:02.10 | fewyn | this isn't fun |
| 02:02.37 | Semlar | aside from the guys you can summon, there are a bunch of objectives around the map you can do |
| 02:02.51 | Semlar | buffs you can get |
| 02:03.16 | fewyn | yeah but they don't reward anything decent |
| 02:03.44 | Semlar | the only thing i ever did in ashran was side objectives |
| 02:04.01 | Semlar | never got near the enemy base |
| 02:04.29 | fewyn | i think a legendary quest required me to do something in there? |
| 02:05.27 | Simca | interesting, apparently PROTECTED flag is ignored on CastSpellByID if you are casting a spell of your pet |
| 02:05.34 | Simca | so addons can control pet spell casts |
| 02:05.47 | Semlar | they still haven't fixed that? |
| 02:06.00 | Simca | that sounds intentional |
| 02:06.05 | Simca | or a bizarrely specific bug |
| 02:06.36 | Simca | CastSpellByID is supposed to be universally protected, adding in a way to ignore that would be extra code that wouldn't 'accidentally' write itself |
| 02:06.56 | mckenziemc | or only checking for certain things where they failed to include pet spells |
| 02:06.58 | Torhal | Sounds like the special case of CastSpellByName allowing professions. |
| 02:07.25 | Semlar | except it lets you write a macro that only casts a pet spell under unprotected conditions |
| 02:08.00 | Simca | they may have just decided pet management is tedious and don't care if it is automated |
| 02:08.24 | Semlar | uh warlocks were using it to only interrupt if the target was casting in pvp |
| 02:08.40 | Simca | interrupt is already auto cast |
| 02:08.56 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18300734979?page=2#24 1 day ago |
| 02:09.16 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure if you put the pet's interrupt on autocast it casts it every time the cooldown is up |
| 02:09.45 | Semlar | it doesn't wait for the target to cast |
| 02:10.18 | Simca | I haven't played my lock in forever but that sounds dumb |
| 02:10.48 | Semlar | it would be op as hell if the pet just instantly interrupted |
| 02:10.53 | Simca | it would be pretty easy to juke on auto cast since it would be predictable, though i suppose it would be awfully annoying with multiple pets |
| 02:11.08 | Simca | you'd just use the wrong spell school |
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| 02:11.45 | Semlar | it would be unreasonably difficult for people without addons tracking the pet's interrupt cooldown and pvp experience |
| 02:12.13 | Simca | to be fair, that describes just about all of pvp right now |
| 02:12.21 | Simca | but you do have a point |
| 02:12.49 | Semlar | also i know for a fact the pet wouldn't auto-interrupt spells because it would have made some PVE stuff absurdly easy |
| 02:13.16 | Semlar | it's also why they removed the interrupt from fan of knives |
| 02:13.17 | Simca | yeah, you're right - oregorger, sorcethar, etc |
| 02:13.30 | Semlar | because you could just spam fan of knives and guarantee you'd get an interrupt in on something |
| 02:13.43 | Simca | all the 3x interrupts needed in 15 sec fights that demand rotations would be cheesed |
| 02:13.47 | Semlar | like the skadi achievement |
| 02:13.51 | Semlar | to keep him from transforming |
| 02:14.12 | Simca | not skadi but i know who you're talking about |
| 02:14.15 | Simca | moorabi i think |
| 02:14.26 | Semlar | the guy in gundrak |
| 02:14.32 | Simca | yeah |
| 02:14.49 | Semlar | i guess skadi was the guy in utgarde pinnacle |
| 02:15.00 | Simca | lodi dodi we loves the skadi |
| 02:15.19 | Semlar | less-rabi |
| 02:15.25 | Semlar | close enough |
| 02:16.35 | Simca | i wonder how they could screw that up though |
| 02:17.01 | Simca | because last I checked, CastSpellByID blocks literally everything ever |
| 02:17.07 | Simca | no matter how trivial |
| 02:17.13 | Semlar | yeah i don't think you used to be able to ever call it |
| 02:17.22 | Simca | toys, mounts, pet summons, etc |
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| 05:22.45 | mckenziemc | PLAYER_ENTER_MATRIX |
| 05:22.53 | mckenziemc | This function is not documented yet |
| 05:24.44 | Torhal | gives mckenziemc the red and blue pills. |
| 05:31.54 | Semlar | torhal you better have a prescription for those |
| 05:35.06 | mckenziemc | has a prescription for stabbing Torhal, twice-a-day as needed for trolling. |
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| 06:03.52 | Torhal | subscribes to the notion that mckenziemc does not, in fact, know kung fu. |
| 06:04.09 | Torhal | weaponizes Semlar. |
| 06:04.27 | Semlar | explodes all over torhal |
| 06:04.42 | Torhal | That's indecent. |
| 06:04.50 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 06:04.50 | kullervo | kung fu mentioned |
| 06:13.21 | mckenziemc | Torhal: Your inventory is full. Semlar giblets have been delivered to your mailbox. |
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| 06:43.07 | znf | https://goo.gl/photos/wv8dFiuCvUpxvXT7A |
| 06:43.11 | znf | Shit |
| 06:43.14 | znf | Ignore that |
| 06:43.16 | znf | Wrong url |
| 06:43.44 | znf | http://crazed.com/wyoming-man-eyeballs-in-cavity/ |
| 06:44.24 | pompy | .... |
| 06:49.51 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
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| 06:58.21 | mckenziemc | doesn't hug Fisker. |
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| 08:53.04 | Simca | addon idea: BonusObjectiveHelper |
| 08:53.22 | Simca | shows %s towards objective completion on all related NPCs/Objects |
| 08:53.43 | Simca | worth making? Y/N |
| 08:54.44 | Semlar | like how much a given npc is worth toward the objective? |
| 08:54.47 | Simca | yeah |
| 08:55.06 | nevcairiel | seems somewhat pointless |
| 08:55.08 | Semlar | is that built into the api |
| 08:55.12 | Simca | no |
| 08:55.21 | nevcairiel | usually their life-pool scales with their completion percents, so you can just kill whatever |
| 08:55.40 | Simca | yeah, true to some extent |
| 08:55.57 | Semlar | well, in my experience at the throne, virtually anything you kill in worth 1%, regardless of whether it's a 1-shottable imp or a god damn elite |
| 08:56.15 | nevcairiel | throne is kinda special |
| 08:56.19 | nevcairiel | because its an elite area |
| 08:56.42 | Semlar | but if it were based on health, which would make some sort of sense, the things that take much longer to kill would contribute more |
| 08:56.56 | Simca | they probably do |
| 08:57.01 | Semlar | they don't |
| 08:57.13 | Simca | it's just an integer showing you a double value |
| 08:57.28 | Simca | many objective things provide fractions of a single % |
| 08:57.35 | Semlar | let me put it this way, every time i do the throne daily i literally just go find the imps and aoe them down |
| 08:57.42 | nevcairiel | elites probably have a separate hp bonus that isnt accounted for, since being elite automatically pushes your health up |
| 08:57.43 | Semlar | and it's considerably faster |
| 08:58.07 | Semlar | the imps are worth 1% each, it's not a fraction |
| 08:58.14 | nevcairiel | doing throne alone is just very inefficient, find 2 friends and you aoe the elites down for more speed =p |
| 08:58.22 | nevcairiel | finding 100 imps takes quite some time :D |
| 08:58.33 | Semlar | nah there's an area in front of one of the rare pools that has a ton of imps |
| 08:58.44 | nevcairiel | a ton is like 8 or so |
| 08:58.46 | nevcairiel | and then they are dead |
| 08:59.07 | Simca | if you server hop to cheese it it's probably easy though |
| 09:01.22 | Simca | but yeah the relationship between credit amount and hp was only a general guideline for the people doing these by hand |
| 09:01.30 | Simca | so as such, there are bound to be flaws |
| 09:02.00 | nevcairiel | throne with its elites is a bit special, t hat rule works for most other areas pretty much |
| 09:02.12 | nevcairiel | usually should always do extra objectives for more speed |
| 09:02.28 | Semlar | objects are usually worth 2-4% depending on the area |
| 09:02.29 | Simca | the fact that the imps give 1% is something they'd probably consider a bug, actually |
| 09:03.10 | nevcairiel | on the harbour, jump into one of the cannon and shot down rylaks and you can get like 20% or so |
| 09:03.22 | Semlar | i think it's 3% per |
| 09:03.33 | Semlar | but also you need ammo for that so you only get 4 or 5 shots |
| 09:03.43 | Simca | that's highly server dependent unfortunately, like many of the objective things |
| 09:03.44 | nevcairiel | but you can hit multiple with one shot :D |
| 09:03.54 | Semlar | only if there are multiple things to hit |
| 09:04.02 | Simca | on a popular server that's a lolzy statement, there will never be multiple to hit |
| 09:04.22 | Semlar | you can also end up missing because of its weird targeting system |
| 09:04.30 | Simca | same with the siege engines at fel forge |
| 09:04.36 | Simca | (the only reasonable way to complete that objective) |
| 09:04.49 | Simca | their respawn is awful, even with a billion people in the area |
| 09:04.52 | nevcairiel | yeah fel forge is annoying, but engines arent too bad, 5% each is fine |
| 09:04.59 | Semlar | i love the fel forge because you can't interact with any of the objects when you get it for the quest |
| 09:05.16 | Simca | that's a bug with the garrison weekly version of fel forge |
| 09:05.29 | Simca | i'm sure they'll fix it in a couple of weeks |
| 09:05.33 | Semlar | go do the fel forge, except THIS time without any objects |
| 09:05.36 | nevcairiel | i havent done dailies for a week now |
| 09:05.45 | nevcairiel | should do some again, still want to buy the birdy toy |
| 09:05.55 | Semlar | i missed a bunch of dailies but i wanted the augment rune |
| 09:06.01 | Simca | ^ |
| 09:06.03 | nevcairiel | i finished the rep |
| 09:06.08 | nevcairiel | all the reps |
| 09:06.18 | nevcairiel | would only do it for some more apexis to byu the toy |
| 09:06.43 | Simca | i'm way too lazy to do dailies every single day, so i'm only revered with them |
| 09:06.45 | nevcairiel | already bought the mount though |
| 09:07.02 | Simca | yeah i've just ignored the mount |
| 09:07.04 | nevcairiel | i was somewhat lucky with rep tokesn from the 4 rares, so it wasnt too bad |
| 09:07.15 | Simca | ah i sold all those |
| 09:07.22 | nevcairiel | got maybe 10 tokens in all |
| 09:07.49 | nevcairiel | still need one of the mounts though |
| 09:08.02 | nevcairiel | got one of them twice :( |
| 09:08.16 | Simca | are they BoP? |
| 09:08.20 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 09:08.24 | Simca | lame |
| 09:08.45 | Semlar | i use the apexis option to buy bonus rolls because i have like 250,000 crystals or something |
| 09:09.02 | nevcairiel | buy the 150k mount and 50k toy, and you wont |
| 09:09.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:09.07 | Semlar | pfft |
| 09:09.30 | nevcairiel | i also bought one of the 695 upgrade tokens and a few baleful armament tokens to roll a good weapon right when6.2 launched |
| 09:09.39 | Simca | the mount (imo) looks awful, so i've just been spending them all on 695 upgrade tokens |
| 09:09.42 | Simca | i've bought like... |
| 09:09.44 | Simca | 11 now |
| 09:09.57 | nevcairiel | my main doesnt need the gear anymore |
| 09:10.05 | nevcairiel | i have like 2 of the upgrade tokens sitting in the bank |
| 09:10.08 | nevcairiel | should use it on an alt |
| 09:10.16 | Semlar | i did upgrade a weapon |
| 09:10.36 | Simca | i have two equally geared toons, both could use about 10 more (they're 692 ilvl average) |
| 09:10.45 | nevcairiel | main is 706 now, so yeah |
| 09:10.54 | Simca | just because there's so many bad 700s/705s that are worse than baleful perfect rolled |
| 09:11.21 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 09:11.23 | Fisker | h e y |
| 09:11.23 | Fisker | e |
| 09:11.24 | Fisker | y |
| 09:11.28 | Simca | I think i'm using a grand total of 1 piece of gear from HFC |
| 09:11.33 | Semlar | still using the weapon because there are 4 hunters in my raid and i have yet to get a weapon out of HFC |
| 09:11.49 | nevcairiel | we had the weapon from second? boss drop t wice or so on heroic |
| 09:11.52 | Simca | the HFC weapons for hunters before mannoroth are all horrible anyway |
| 09:11.58 | Semlar | yep |
| 09:12.00 | Semlar | which is a problem |
| 09:12.05 | Semlar | when you haven't killed heroic mannoroth yet |
| 09:12.23 | nevcairiel | 705 should still be better than 695 or so on damage alone, shouldnt it |
| 09:12.35 | Simca | yes |
| 09:13.00 | Semlar | definitely, for marksmanship |
| 09:13.01 | nevcairiel | huntards are all annoyed anyway, apparently playing MM is horrible |
| 09:13.13 | Simca | i like MM |
| 09:13.24 | Semlar | every fight in HFC was practically designed for MM |
| 09:13.53 | Simca | pooling around barrage and chimera shot CDs lining up (so you need ~85 focus when you start casting barrage) is annoying as hell |
| 09:13.55 | nevcairiel | because standing still and at distance is such a big thing on all the movement fights? =P |
| 09:13.57 | Simca | but other than that |
| 09:14.16 | Simca | the distance trinket is what everyone hates |
| 09:14.22 | Simca | they hate how good it is |
| 09:14.27 | Semlar | eh |
| 09:14.38 | Simca | tank moves boss an inch |
| 09:14.40 | Semlar | it's not that good in real world situations |
| 09:14.41 | Simca | time to reposition |
| 09:14.46 | nevcairiel | like, iron reaver, you have a much harder time the further away oyu stand from the boss |
| 09:15.05 | Simca | virtually every boss, honestly |
| 09:15.10 | Semlar | iron reaver is ironically one of the few fights where you could actually stand at range and not stack with the rest of the raid |
| 09:15.17 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:15.34 | Semlar | the main issue with that trinket is that on many fights you HAVE to stand closer to the boss |
| 09:15.40 | Semlar | you don't have a choice |
| 09:15.44 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:16.05 | nevcairiel | obviously you can stand further away, but our huntards always fail at barrage when they do, because its a cone that gets wider on the outside |
| 09:16.10 | Simca | xhul, mannoroth are good examples of harder fights (well not mannoroth lel) like that |
| 09:16.35 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that's not actually how barrage works |
| 09:16.58 | nevcairiel | reavers barrage? it does |
| 09:17.16 | Simca | he thought you meant hunters' barrage probably |
| 09:17.17 | Semlar | well you were talking about hunters |
| 09:17.23 | Simca | lol |
| 09:17.47 | Semlar | like i know what any boss abilities are called anyway |
| 09:17.57 | Simca | yeah, you'd have to towards iron reaver but not directly at him |
| 09:18.06 | Simca | to make it out of the barrage in time |
| 09:18.23 | Semlar | the trinket is situational, which is fine |
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| 09:18.34 | Semlar | i'd use it if i had it, just because what i have wouldn't be as good |
| 09:18.39 | nevcairiel | one of our hunters has it i think, not sure he used it much yet |
| 09:18.49 | Semlar | well we haven't killed archimonde |
| 09:18.57 | nevcairiel | got it on normal |
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| 09:19.11 | Semlar | we only do normal as like a flex raid |
| 09:19.14 | Simca | (fine except that every other classes' trinket is just a huge upgrade and not situational) |
| 09:19.28 | Semlar | alts and friends and stuff |
| 09:19.31 | nevcairiel | mine is very situational too |
| 09:19.38 | nevcairiel | but i'm a healer, ours all are kinda meh |
| 09:19.38 | Semlar | so we don't clear the whole place in one night |
| 09:19.51 | Simca | hpal trinket is a ridiculous upgrade always |
| 09:20.00 | Simca | but it might be the exception amongst healers, idk |
| 09:20.17 | nevcairiel | other then the socrethar trinket, all other healy trinkets in hfc are somewhat random and situational |
| 09:20.33 | nevcairiel | at least for a resto druid |
| 09:20.48 | Simca | kilrogg and hellfire assault trinkets are not random |
| 09:21.01 | nevcairiel | kilrogg is crit, thats just meh |
| 09:21.10 | nevcairiel | assault is ok, but not overwhelming |
| 09:21.39 | Simca | kilrogg one is really good for paladins since it is the top stat for them |
| 09:21.40 | nevcairiel | i might probably swap out the assault trinket and the leech trinket based on fights |
| 09:21.52 | Simca | the leech trinket is actually decent? |
| 09:21.54 | nevcairiel | or maybe with the archi trinket |
| 09:22.05 | nevcairiel | on fights with constant incoming aoe yes |
| 09:22.15 | Simca | interesting |
| 09:22.20 | nevcairiel | its hard to measure since the healing is associated with everyone individually |
| 09:22.22 | nevcairiel | but yeah |
| 09:23.06 | Simca | might not be that great for paladins since sorcethar's trinket is 2nd best anyway |
| 09:23.25 | nevcairiel | socrethar is just OP for druids |
| 09:23.35 | nevcairiel | we stack haste, we use a lot of instants |
| 09:23.39 | nevcairiel | loves |
| 09:23.42 | Simca | ah |
| 09:24.03 | nevcairiel | only got the normal variant |
| 09:24.06 | nevcairiel | but its already great |
| 09:24.58 | Simca | the paladin archimonde trinket is so ridiculous the normal version is superior to every other non-archimonde trinket in the game |
| 09:25.01 | nevcairiel | i think with heroism/bloodlust i cross 50% haste now, should be careful :( |
| 09:25.15 | Simca | doesn't matter if you have mythic sorcethar's and normal archimonde |
| 09:25.19 | Simca | it's a downgrade |
| 09:25.53 | nevcairiel | wait lust is 30% right? then i definitely get over 50%, oh well, never really noticed that i hit the gcd cap .. or does that not exist anymore |
| 09:26.07 | Simca | good question |
| 09:26.36 | Simca | I -think- they changed the way haste interacts with the GCD so you wouldn't hit that problem |
| 09:26.46 | Simca | but i don't remember how or when |
| 09:27.48 | nevcairiel | haste is like the only stat that doesnt have DR, but it used to be so that over 50% haste you would hit the 1s gcd |
| 09:28.39 | nevcairiel | 50% of gear is hard to reach, but with trinket procs or lust, you can get there easily |
| 09:30.49 | Simca | my alt pulled a 705 crossbow out of a mythic dungeon earlier, feels shitty when i only have 695 on my main |
| 09:30.50 | Simca | lol |
| 09:31.10 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:31.31 | Semlar | my 695 gun has literally nothing but crit on it |
| 09:31.44 | nevcairiel | i had a staff like that, nothing but haste |
| 09:32.02 | nevcairiel | at least they fixed it so that single-stat rolls dont end up lower |
| 09:32.04 | Simca | yeah |
| 09:32.07 | Semlar | it's gonna be sad to upgrade to something without almost 5% crit |
| 09:32.07 | nevcairiel | like they used to on timeless isle |
| 09:32.09 | Simca | that is a really nice fix |
| 09:32.33 | nevcairiel | on the other hand, it might make such single-stat-rolls quite overpowered |
| 09:32.40 | Simca | used to for the entire history of WoW, actually, these are the first exceptions I think |
| 09:33.01 | nevcairiel | random rolling gear wasnt that common, only a few cases here and there |
| 09:33.34 | Simca | it's because the stats are assigned direct values through bonusIDs so they aren't considered as part of the item's budget |
| 09:33.40 | Simca | that they can bypass that shitty rulue |
| 09:33.42 | Simca | rule* |
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| 12:56.06 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn a bit for good measure |
| 12:56.13 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 14:05.33 | VIad | would be nice if opie supported digsite detection to show a slice or not |
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| 14:42.29 | jackpotsvr | Oi oi :) |
| 14:43.41 | jackpotsvr | I came here via http://wow.gamepedia.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 14:44.17 | jackpotsvr | But does anyone know the 6.0.2 -> 6.2 added Events/Lua Vars or how I can figure them out? :) |
| 14:45.08 | phelps | foxlit, i gave you money for a beer or a really really cheap hooker |
| 14:45.12 | MiRai | Perhaps this? http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_changes |
| 14:46.45 | jackpotsvr | Ah that's what I'm looking for. But I think it's not complete. |
| 14:47.14 | jackpotsvr | Thanks anyways ;D |
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| 15:43.39 | jleclanche | so how do i fix the lua error on /raidinfo |
| 15:43.49 | jleclanche | cause its been two weeks since i was last able to look at my lockouts :/ |
| 15:44.34 | jackpotsvr | What error do you get? |
| 15:44.44 | jackpotsvr | It works fine for me ;d |
| 15:45.41 | jleclanche | it's if the raidlock id is too high |
| 15:45.43 | jleclanche | Message: integer overflow attempting to store 2216449467 |
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| 16:40.38 | Semlar | jleclanche: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/raidinfobugfix |
| 16:40.47 | jleclanche | iloveyou |
| 16:40.49 | fewyn | i wonder if my queue is broken http://i.imgur.com/BDkPz0h.png |
| 16:43.54 | Semlar | are you a hunter |
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| 16:47.32 | Semlar | a watched queue never pops |
| 16:49.50 | fewyn | yes i'm a hunter |
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| 17:05.25 | bluspacecow | Iâm all out of stim-packs Torhal :( |
| 17:08.43 | Semlar | fewyn: it's trying to find a group without another ten hunters in it |
| 17:09.10 | Semlar | and since that's not possible, it will eventually give up |
| 17:14.21 | jackpotsvr | Haha does it seriously have class balance in lfr? |
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| 17:16.22 | Semlar | i don't know if it's because of old loot distribution rules from before personal loot existed or if it's just to provide some sort of variety, but the system tries to distribute the classes fairly evenly |
| 17:18.08 | Semlar | i mean even with personal loot it makes sense to have a varied raid |
| 17:19.29 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 17:19.34 | jackpotsvr | Yes, although in practice a group full of hunters is very viable |
| 17:19.36 | Semlar | :( |
| 17:19.42 | Neffi | nose Semlar |
| 17:19.50 | Semlar | oh nose |
| 17:22.36 | Semlar | you end up with a raid full of hunters after the system has given up trying to find other classes |
| 17:30.11 | Semlar | now if they'd just give hunters a heal or tank spec we could have an all hunter raid |
| 17:35.08 | ilar | What's this? |
| 17:35.18 | ilar | You don't know about the venerable hunter tank? |
| 17:35.44 | ilar | Let me see if I can find the old article |
| 17:36.01 | ilar | in TBC, a hunter decided he wanted to tank. Not his pet, he wanted to main tank |
| 17:36.18 | ilar | eventually he ended up the main tank for karazhan |
| 17:36.35 | Semlar | and how did he manage to hold threat |
| 17:37.00 | ilar | if I remember correctly, wing clip was actually really high threat |
| 17:41.50 | kd3 | whee, SGDQ starts tomorrow |
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| 17:45.10 | Fisker | stops kd3 today |
| 17:45.29 | ilar | Aha! |
| 17:45.33 | ilar | http://meleehunter.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:45.43 | ilar | Gweyrc, the melee hunter of TBC! |
| 17:46.09 | ilar | I didn't realize he ended up giving up tanking in favor of being a melee dps for progression purposes through mount hyjal and SSC |
| 17:46.46 | Semlar | ah yes, being a melee hunter for progression |
| 17:48.37 | ilar | Also, he aparently chugged fel health pots for the aggro |
| 17:48.49 | fewyn | Semlar: i was in an lfr last week with 12 hunters |
| 17:49.08 | fewyn | 8 of them were on the top 8 of the damage meters |
| 17:49.32 | Semlar | to be fair, there couldn't have been many other dpsers |
| 17:50.15 | ilar | Semlar, http://meleehunter.blogspot.com/2008/04/you-have-trying-times-ahead-of-you.html |
| 17:51.02 | ilar | He talks about being a melee hunter tank (not even a single weapon skill in ranged!) before this, but here's where he actually gets an offer to offtank for a t5 guild |
| 17:53.11 | Semlar | fewyn: hunters are (relatively) simple to get decent dps out of at lower skill levels compared to other classes |
| 17:54.56 | Semlar | at higher difficulties they're not going to be dominating the damage charts unless they're quite good |
| 17:57.43 | zenzelezz | man, the next world war will be over tabs vs. spaces |
| 17:58.07 | Semlar | how do people even use spaces for code |
| 17:58.19 | kd3 | vim with expand-tabs? |
| 17:58.21 | ilar | habit |
| 17:58.29 | ilar | I use tabs, personally |
| 17:58.33 | Semlar | in every editor i've used you can highlight a block of text and indent it with tab |
| 17:58.47 | ilar | if spaces are needed, I just replace the tabs with X spaces as needed |
| 18:04.00 | Stanzilla | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQd4E3-grU |
| 18:09.31 | LStranger | I use 4 spaces for indent usually, the habit. |
| 18:10.24 | Semlar | that's like 4 times the key pressing! |
| 18:11.00 | LStranger | Nope, mcedit adds 4 on single tab press. |
| 18:11.55 | LStranger | Also, XCode indents with 4 spaces automatically too (if anyone proframming on Mac they know that as well). |
| 18:14.29 | fewyn | i keep trying to use alt to copy and paste :/ |
| 18:14.33 | fewyn | my new job uses all macs |
| 18:15.58 | LStranger | why not use Command+X/C/V ? |
| 18:17.02 | fewyn | the command key on macs is where the alt key is on windows "normal" keyboards |
| 18:17.07 | LStranger | it's basically the same as on others OS, just Command key instead of Ctrl key. |
| 18:17.36 | LStranger | Mac also has Alt key. :) |
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| 18:18.06 | zenzelezz | <Semlar> in every editor i've used you can highlight a block of text and indent it with tab <-- in every editor I've used, you can do it whether you use spaces or tabs |
| 18:18.24 | fewyn | http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MB110LL/B/apple-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-english-usa?fnode=0a63320e66aa671538e0e8ce3807585bf6e234b3703574dd589777bb3df9c7a37b364df34b2d8482139689a51d68065c711a4d26751dd9843539afaa38fb79ff9a84380eaa92a5bfdb50286341b3d7edbd50a13c5ac69e34e2a3502d2286424c2de9fc656d052c2c475e350a06215ac1 |
| 18:18.31 | fewyn | that's the keyboard we have LStranger |
| 18:18.53 | fewyn | ctrl, opt, and command |
| 18:19.04 | bluspacecow | real men use vim |
| 18:19.06 | zenzelezz | I've worked with tabs and spaces (4 and 2) at work... now I'm using my spare time to try to fix the indentation and formatting of a project that's all over the place |
| 18:19.29 | pompy | rip bunch of wow us servers |
| 18:20.00 | bluspacecow | donât look at me. i didnât do anything |
| 18:20.13 | LStranger | fewyn, exactly the same as on every Mac, bottom row is Ctrl Alt Cmd Space ... |
| 18:20.38 | fewyn | macs use COMMAND+<key> as shortcuts |
| 18:20.46 | fewyn | windows uses CTRL+<key> |
| 18:21.00 | LStranger | Opt is Alt, yes. |
| 18:21.05 | fewyn | no |
| 18:21.09 | fewyn | or well |
| 18:21.13 | zenzelezz | except sometimes, when it's meta |
| 18:21.15 | fewyn | i've never used the opt key on macs |
| 18:21.31 | LStranger | And I said you that already few lines above. |
| 18:22.01 | fewyn | my problem is they are not the same on both oses for copying and pasting |
| 18:22.06 | fewyn | not the same keys |
| 18:22.17 | fewyn | i keep trying to use "command"+c/v on windows |
| 18:22.21 | fewyn | which obv won't work |
| 18:22.31 | LStranger | unix-like systems also use Ctrl+X/C/V, while Mac uses Cmd+X/C/V, just get used to it. |
| 18:22.56 | zenzelezz | or remap the keyboard |
| 18:23.03 | fewyn | i'm probably going to just remap it |
| 18:23.10 | fewyn | it's just annoying |
| 18:25.40 | zenzelezz | agreed |
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| 18:33.18 | Industrial | I'm trying really really hard not to press the wow subscription button atm :-o |
| 18:33.39 | nebula169 | it's (basically) free now! |
| 18:34.23 | Industrial | What's the current PVE progression in the expo? Everybody cleared everything and they are waiting for new content? |
| 18:34.32 | Industrial | wait uh. ok. |
| 18:37.27 | pompy | https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/625009282040266752 welp |
| 18:37.34 | pompy | data center outage + more maybe |
| 18:40.57 | Industrial | well I left my install so i guess I'm good to go >:P |
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| 18:53.00 | Gnarfoz | from what do you assume "data center outage"? |
| 18:59.16 | nebula169 | @BlizzardCS I will be expecting you to announce a refund for this . No excuses for the billions we pay you over the years. |
| 18:59.22 | nebula169 | not sure if troll... |
| 19:00.28 | mckenziemc | Gnarfoz: blood glucose outage |
| 19:05.14 | Gnarfoz | fart outage |
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| 19:13.59 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18300735407?page=2#29 |
| 19:14.02 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:17.10 | kullervo | bluspacecow: while people like that are wrong, I just thought of a method of using curse as a payload delivery service |
| 19:17.24 | bluspacecow | you hacker you |
| 19:17.27 | kullervo | it in itself wouldn't do anything, but could be triggered by using a browser exploit in a url that's in the addon |
| 19:18.27 | kullervo | but then again, if the browser can be exploited in such manner, it probably could be delivered the same ay |
| 19:18.38 | mckenziemc | "And if you are gonna ban 1 person for using it then they better ban the other 22000 ppl that have used the addon or thats called descrimination." kek |
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| 19:38.06 | bluspacecow | hmmm not sure if that attack vector would work either kullervo. IIRC the in game browser has a black list and white list of URLs |
| 19:38.27 | bluspacecow | if your not on the white list it doesnât load the URL â¦. but then the last time I checked was a long time ago |
| 19:38.45 | bluspacecow | could be a white list of URLs loadable in the in game browser but everything else gets handed off to your default browser |
| 19:39.56 | kullervo | bluspacecow: many addons have a button that opens a popup with a copypasteable link |
| 19:40.14 | kullervo | which people can paste in their normal browser |
| 19:40.18 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 19:40.21 | bluspacecow | nvm! |
| 19:41.15 | kullervo | so if a popular addon were to add such a link, or had it from beginning but later changed it to a malicious redirect |
| 19:42.40 | Semlar | hacks kullervo |
| 19:44.19 | Semlar | bluspacecow needs an editor |
| 19:44.27 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 19:44.33 | bluspacecow | will it be pico ? |
| 19:44.35 | bluspacecow | or vi ? |
| 19:44.50 | Semlar | human |
| 19:44.58 | bluspacecow | but im a cow |
| 19:45.07 | Semlar | that's part of the problem |
| 19:45.41 | bluspacecow | http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/square_avatar/986/9866256/2695804-8143724263-26153.gif |
| 19:46.41 | kullervo | bluspacecow: you want that optimized? |
| 19:46.53 | bluspacecow | why |
| 19:47.15 | kullervo | could probably reduce the file size by ~50k |
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| 19:47.28 | bluspacecow | its not mine |
| 19:47.30 | bluspacecow | i stole it :P |
| 19:47.45 | kullervo | yes I've seen the full-size gif, I know you did |
| 19:48.06 | kullervo | coudl photoshop the cow to be blue as well |
| 19:48.19 | kullervo | white and blue or blue and black? |
| 19:48.23 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 19:48.24 | bluspacecow | blue |
| 19:49.01 | kullervo | yes, blue's included in both options ._. |
| 19:50.07 | Semlar | how are people so clueless about what is an isn't an addon |
| 19:50.32 | bluspacecow | because its magic |
| 19:50.41 | bluspacecow | they download it , unzip and put in the wow folder |
| 19:50.42 | bluspacecow | so |
| 19:50.55 | bluspacecow | they assume if its magic therefore there must be black magic |
| 19:51.04 | bluspacecow | IE viruses |
| 19:51.17 | Semlar | for example: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1809819-New-addon-Raid-Spy |
| 19:55.22 | bluspacecow | lol wat |
| 19:55.29 | Semlar | (not an addon) |
| 19:56.26 | Semlar | neither was that program those oqueue guys were trying to get people to use, i wonder if that's still around |
| 19:57.48 | bluspacecow | i sleepy semlar |
| 19:57.57 | bluspacecow | *sleeps on Semlar* |
| 19:58.08 | Semlar | well this is awkward |
| 19:58.24 | Semlar | sleeps on torhal |
| 19:58.35 | bluspacecow | *torhal sleeps on Fisker* |
| 19:58.55 | Semlar | i don't think you're supposed to sleep with people without their consent |
| 19:59.11 | bluspacecow | on not with |
| 19:59.13 | Industrial | Anyone use an addon for showing spell rotations / prioritizations? Is there one that works on most classes and is current to the latest patch? |
| 19:59.27 | Semlar | on isn't with? |
| 19:59.40 | bluspacecow | just use addmessage |
| 19:59.57 | bluspacecow | and bind your most common spells to 1 2 3 4 |
| 19:59.58 | Semlar | just roll your face on the keyboard, it works for me |
| 20:00.12 | Semlar | oh wait, i play a hunter |
| 20:00.14 | bluspacecow | KEYBOARDFACEROLL ftw! |
| 20:00.23 | Semlar | YMMV |
| 20:04.25 | mckenziemc | bluspacecow |
| 20:04.33 | mckenziemc | part of my computer is at -128C |
| 20:04.35 | mckenziemc | what do i do D: |
| 20:04.37 | bluspacecow | *snore* |
| 20:04.43 | bluspacecow | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 20:04.50 | bluspacecow | How should I know ? Iâm asleep! |
| 20:05.12 | mckenziemc | chills bluspacecow to -128C |
| 20:06.48 | Semlar | what's cooler than being cool |
| 20:10.55 | mckenziemc | being cryogenically preserved |
| 20:13.33 | mckenziemc | sends bluspacecow to alpha-centauri |
| 20:33.42 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:33.48 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 20:33.50 | Fisker | Not here |
| 20:33.54 | Shirik | :< |
| 20:34.10 | Semlar | not so hey |
| 20:34.31 | Fisker | Sorry Shirik |
| 20:41.19 | zenzelezz | so, Tall Ships' Races is in town for a few days. Two gigantic Russian full riggers among them. And let me tell you, their female crew in uniforms were not at all unpleasant to behold |
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| 21:18.59 | Simca | - Name from "Doodad_OrcPVPBonfireLarge20" to "Bonfire" |
| 21:19.10 | Simca | i swear there are like 3x of these type of hotfixes every single day |
| 21:24.19 | Stanzilla | do you really read all of them? |
| 21:24.48 | nebula169 | says the man that reads faaaaaar too many changelogs |
| 21:26.16 | Stanzilla | my next question would have been "got a mailing list for that?" :D |
| 21:27.24 | Simca | haha |
| 21:27.40 | Simca | not one that i have access to change |
| 21:29.42 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 21:30.53 | fewyn | it's so weird to look at the outland map/fly around on it and then look at draenor |
| 21:31.28 | Stanzilla | play more ptr |
| 21:32.01 | fewyn | my account was inactive last ptr cycle i think so it's not active i think? |
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| 23:07.12 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 23:07.22 | Industrial | Is there currently a solution to the Fizzle sound? |
| 23:07.42 | Industrial | I used to always be able to remove it by placing sound files but it doesnt seem to work anymore. Anyone got this working? |
| 23:07.58 | Semlar | where are you putting them |
| 23:21.48 | Industrial | WoW/Sound |
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| 23:26.14 | Industrial | I'm going to try this one; http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/mute-wow-sounds |
| 23:27.42 | Industrial | er, also WoW/Data/enGB/Sound :) |
| 23:58.05 | Industrial | yeah so that one doesnt work |
| 23:58.57 | Industrial | If for example I keep spamming Avenger's Shield then every GCD I will still hear the spell error sound cause I have no target. |
| 23:59.34 | Industrial | That sound is totally unneeded and I'd much much much rather play without it. It's one of the most annoying wow sounds imho |
