| 00:08.21 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/PGwwOBR.gifv not cgi |
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| 00:16.07 | mckenziemc | photoshops karl_w_w |
| 00:32.20 | foxlit | heh, interesting. It seems possible to reduce the number of nights in a hotel stay booked under an advance rate without triggering any sort of penalties. |
| 00:33.56 | karl_w_w | triggered |
| 00:39.53 | Dagmar | Hotels aren't airlines. The much higher number of competitors means they know better than to be dicks. |
| 00:40.15 | Amarande | Also, doesn't "advance rate" mean you already *paid* for the hotel room? They've already got your money without refund, I'm presuming |
| 00:40.55 | Amarande | Blizzard doesn't penalise you either if you subscribe to WoW for three months and then abandon the game after the first week :) |
| 00:42.26 | mckenziemc | get back to your mission amarande |
| 00:42.40 | foxlit | it's a weird mess of terms and condition. In theory, advance rate means that a "deposit for the entire stay is due at time of booking. Cancelling your reservation or failing to arrive will result in forfeiture of your deposit." |
| 00:43.27 | mckenziemc | that sounds reasonable :p |
| 00:43.32 | foxlit | Since reducing the length is neither cancelling nor failing to arrive, presumably this doesn't apply. |
| 00:44.57 | foxlit | (in practice, they don't charge you until after your stay, so "got your money" is more like "got your credit card details" in this case) |
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| 07:44.52 | PsyTech | Would it be possible to create an addon that could function like Diablo's communities? e.g. using RealID as a backbone to send messages across a battle.net friend network to specific "chat groups" ? |
| 07:48.25 | Semlar | chat groups? |
| 07:48.58 | PsyTech | Do you play diablo? |
| 07:49.42 | Semlar | yes |
| 07:49.56 | PsyTech | Basically stealing the communities there, and implementing them in wow |
| 07:49.59 | nevcairiel | mesh networking has been done, but it was semi-broken in 6.0 |
| 07:50.16 | PsyTech | Yeah, I know OQueue did something with it |
| 07:50.37 | PsyTech | Wasn't sure what was broken with it |
| 07:50.43 | Dagmar | It is an _unpleasant_ problem |
| 07:51.16 | Semlar | they removed the ability to send a message along with a friend request or something |
| 07:51.23 | Dagmar | You see how often we have netsplits here and their effect |
| 07:51.29 | Dagmar | This is a _healthy_ network |
| 07:51.35 | Semlar | anyway, this would be considerably more difficult to set up than would probably be worth doing |
| 07:52.06 | nevcairiel | yeah these days you would need to be b.net friends with the mesh |
| 07:52.10 | nevcairiel | or at least some of the nodes |
| 07:52.22 | PsyTech | that's somewhat acceptable i'd say |
| 07:52.36 | Dagmar | I took a whack at this a _while_ back when they added custom channels |
| 07:52.49 | nevcairiel | but unless everyone is friend with everyone, it could easily result in disjunct small communities instead of a big one |
| 07:52.50 | Dagmar | It's an ugly smoldering mess even at that level |
| 07:53.04 | Semlar | oqueue had an account that was always logged in that controlled the network |
| 07:53.29 | Dagmar | That's pretty much the _only_ way to guarantee it's reliability |
| 07:53.46 | Dagmar | Otherwise it's just mesh chaos |
| 07:53.47 | Semlar | basically you friended that account to join the mesh |
| 07:54.13 | Semlar | or at least for it to tell you who else to talk to to relay stuff |
| 07:54.15 | nevcairiel | you send a friend request with an attached message, it never accepted it, since there are friend list size limits |
| 07:55.08 | Semlar | it also had global chat rooms on the server that people relayed messages through |
| 07:55.39 | Semlar | so only one person would have to be connected to relay stuff to the entire realm |
| 07:55.58 | Dagmar | Well, in theory, if there wasn't at least one, there wouldn't be much point |
| 07:57.45 | Dagmar | ...cuz without a central control structure, eventually the network will break, and the two halves will be stuck with a disjoint view of the situation |
| 07:57.57 | Semlar | you could probably rig something up through the group finder |
| 07:57.58 | PsyTech | Right |
| 07:57.59 | Dagmar | ...and it'll turn into Barrens chat. |
| 07:58.13 | Semlar | i wouldn't want to talk to half the people in the game anyway, so i don't know what the point would be |
| 07:58.22 | PsyTech | I dunno, diablo communities workk |
| 07:58.25 | Semlar | uhh |
| 07:58.26 | nevcairiel | talking to the other half Semlar |
| 07:58.26 | Dagmar | I have an ignore list with literally hundreds of names in it |
| 07:59.02 | Dagmar | Not once have I ever been in a group where I couldn't hear the important people |
| 07:59.03 | PsyTech | I think something like that could be useful for wow. |
| 07:59.03 | Semlar | i've seen the diablo chat |
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| 08:00.03 | Dagmar | Okay, except for Torag |
| 08:00.22 | Semlar | yeah well diablo communities are essentially guilds, the only difference would be relaying messages across servers |
| 08:00.46 | PsyTech | they're sorta like guilds, sometimes, depending if they're public or private |
| 08:00.47 | Dagmar | Torag is notable in tha he trolls other trolls into submission on our server |
| 08:02.01 | Semlar | anything you could put together to make this work would cause a bunch of network traffic that i'm sure blizzard would appreciate |
| 08:02.25 | Dagmar | yeees |
| 08:02.45 | PsyTech | So either they'd break it, or do it themselves like they did oqueue. mission accomplished. |
| 08:02.54 | Dagmar | That's what makes it so exciting... just passing network management info will get fairly verbose |
| 08:03.00 | Semlar | i'm not even really sure it's possible |
| 08:03.09 | PsyTech | Well, that's essentially what I was wondering. |
| 08:03.31 | Semlar | you can relay messages through bnet friends but i don't know if you can create the mesh in the first place |
| 08:03.31 | Dagmar | Semlar: I'm thinking about having deliberately churned up EFNet more than once in just this way |
| 08:03.41 | PsyTech | Basically, even with group finder, finding competent groups is a pain in the ass. Many realms are too small to find competent people. |
| 08:03.53 | nevcairiel | group finder is not realm bound |
| 08:03.54 | Semlar | well the group finder has nothing to do with your own realm |
| 08:03.59 | PsyTech | I know this. |
| 08:04.13 | PsyTech | I'm saying that if more players talked in chat channels, it could foster communication, friendships, etc. |
| 08:04.30 | Semlar | also, if you group finder doesn't help you find competent groups, i don't see how this would fair any better |
| 08:04.31 | nevcairiel | more like flame, hatred and disgust |
| 08:04.33 | Dagmar | LFR the first couple of pulls you can see everyone's being very careful, seeing if there's going to be a jacktard in the bunch that will make them want to requeue |
| 08:04.35 | nevcairiel | its wow we're talking about |
| 08:05.07 | PsyTech | So why is wow more toxic than d3? I've found plenty of channels in D3 that had really useful help on how to play classes, etc. |
| 08:05.31 | Dagmar | PsyTech: because the odds that at least one player out of the 20-25 will be a dick are very, very high. |
| 08:05.57 | Dagmar | ...and it's quite often the tank. |
| 08:06.00 | Dagmar | heh |
| 08:06.03 | nevcairiel | unless something like this is built into the game, it will never take off anyway |
| 08:06.14 | Semlar | ehhhhhhh |
| 08:06.21 | nevcairiel | people installed oqueue to fill a need, they dont really need a new chat platform |
| 08:06.50 | Mr_Rabies | something that fills a similar need |
| 08:06.51 | nevcairiel | especially if its functionality is likely to be somewhat flaky |
| 08:06.56 | Semlar | yeah, it would be very difficult to convince enough people to use it |
| 08:07.03 | Mr_Rabies | is there are addons that have a linked guild chat between guilds, etc |
| 08:07.04 | Dagmar | I mean, you _could_ go for building a reputation system, but the shortbus response would be hilarity |
| 08:07.07 | Dagmar | OMG GS SUX |
| 08:07.35 | PsyTech | well, storing the rep system would be an entirely harder problem in and of itself |
| 08:08.20 | Dagmar | You would basically be building keyrings |
| 08:09.18 | Dagmar | It would also result in some CPU chewing hilarity |
| 08:13.06 | Fisker | wtf |
| 08:13.10 | Fisker | is amazon made of money? |
| 08:13.20 | nevcairiel | pretty much, yes |
| 08:13.24 | nevcairiel | but why? |
| 08:13.26 | Fisker | They're just like going "Oh ok your product doesn't work, fuck it just send it back and we'll give you your money back" |
| 08:13.48 | nevcairiel | thats just called good customer service |
| 08:13.54 | Fisker | It's even outside the 6-month "blame"-assumption in guarantee |
| 08:13.59 | Fisker | I agree |
| 08:14.08 | Fisker | I'll buy a LG Watch Urbane for my refund money :D |
| 08:14.39 | PsyTech | It's probably more cost efficient for them to just take all returns, than pay for someone to police returns and hassle the customer. |
| 08:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | they really suck at shipping trade paperbacks of comics |
| 08:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | more than once they've told me to not even bother sending back the TPB, to just keep it and they'll refund me |
| 08:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | they don't pack stuff properly and the spine gets compressed almost every time |
| 08:15.51 | PsyTech | they also likely take a bath on shipping in some cases, and the total cost of back and forth shipping isn't worth the price you paid for it |
| 08:16.41 | Fisker | the money I'm getting back is enough for a newer version of the watch and like 50⬠to spare |
| 08:16.42 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 08:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | so basically if you want free comics order them from amazon i guess |
| 08:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | but they'll always be damaged |
| 08:17.24 | Fisker | I almost want to buy it from them again even though it's a bit more expensive just because they're pretty awesome |
| 08:17.47 | Mr_Rabies | i order from http://www.instocktrades.com/ nowadays since amazon sucks at shipping books nowadays :< |
| 08:22.52 | Semlar | well i think i know why /who tanaan jungle is broken, it's because there are two tanaan jungles |
| 08:23.21 | Semlar | and it's defaulting to this one http://www.wowhead.com/zone=7025/tanaan-jungle |
| 08:23.58 | nevcairiel | stuff happens |
| 08:24.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.38 | Semlar | it makes a difference, because normally you can use /who to see CRZ people for your current zone |
| 08:26.58 | Semlar | but not if you can't actually use it on your current zone |
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| 08:57.07 | WrathTECH | Anyone know if the current game client supports 5.1 surround OGG's? |
| 09:29.36 | Simca | pretty sure it does |
| 09:31.17 | WrathTECH | I would expect so, being the client does support surround sound configurations. |
| 09:31.26 | WrathTECH | But.. alas, it's Blizzard. |
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| 09:39.07 | Mr_Rabies | interesting, Semlar |
| 09:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | they mostly renamed that Tanaan Jungle to Tanaan Invasion for 6.2 |
| 09:40.25 | Mr_Rabies | in 6.2.1 the Invasion areas are populated with 100 mobs and new rares |
| 09:40.50 | Mr_Rabies | super generic loot right now, though |
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| 11:04.55 | wodim | super generic loot == Squashed Rabbit Carcass ? |
| 11:05.48 | wodim | http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WoWScrnShot_041415_232952.jpg |
| 11:05.49 | wodim | uh |
| 11:05.51 | wodim | this looks very good |
| 11:06.05 | wodim | although I have never been a huge fan of the outlands |
| 11:06.35 | wodim | would love to level up there hehe |
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| 15:20.42 | pompy | super quiet! |
| 15:20.59 | mckenziemc | stabs pompy. |
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| 15:38.25 | pompy | september 19 2015 hypeeee |
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| 15:44.51 | Fisker | What happens? |
| 15:45.55 | pompy | Doctor Who series 9 |
| 16:00.25 | pompy | "11:15 PM Possible delay in delivery due to processing error Moreno Valley, CA" fail. |
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| 16:28.48 | karl_w_w | heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sErcVaE2oeA |
| 16:53.33 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/ofScNkf.gifv Cairenn |
| 16:58.00 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 16:58.10 | zenzelezz | I expected that to go much worse... claws and everything |
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| 18:21.13 | Semlar | the postmaster mailed me 19 gold |
| 18:21.29 | Semlar | how did i manage not to loot this |
| 18:21.29 | mckenziemc | must've put in the wrong name |
| 18:22.21 | Seerah | mckenziemc: I assume it was loot that didn't get picked up. the postmaster mails it now. |
| 18:22.40 | Seerah | Semlar: you probably tried but it got lost in between the mob and your bag |
| 18:23.14 | Semlar | odd |
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| 18:24.29 | mckenziemc | way to ruin the troll seerah |
| 18:24.42 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 18:24.54 | Seerah | nah, a real troll would say "what did you do for the postmaster?" |
| 18:25.11 | Semlar | 20 gold is 20 gold |
| 18:25.19 | mckenziemc | but 19 is not |
| 18:26.29 | mckenziemc | my follower is 5 levels above me :( |
| 18:28.05 | karl_w_w | hamstring him |
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| 21:19.50 | Kraps | i died in hardcore again |
| 21:29.41 | Amarande | Kraps: have you considered playing Bard's Tale, Wizardry, or NetHack? :) |
| 21:30.36 | Kraps | no? |
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| 23:05.04 | jutik | can anyone tell why isn't this working http://pastebin.com/x0NK6Z5v |
| 23:08.12 | mckenziemc | arg[3] needs "and" before it |
| 23:10.49 | Simca | ^^ |
| 23:12.08 | jutik | tried to clean it up for the paste and forgot to put the "and", but that wasn't the issue. I can't manage to trigger the print with any event or even when i try to change it to check spell id instead of name |
| 23:14.57 | mckenziemc | i think you have to use RegisterForEvent; RegisterEvent is only an Ace shortcut iirc |
| 23:15.44 | Gnarfoz | nah. http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/RegisterEvent |
| 23:16.08 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 23:16.38 | mckenziemc | so it runs, just doesn't trigger? |
| 23:16.50 | Simca | your indexing of arg is wrong |
| 23:17.03 | Simca | arg[1] would be the event name |
| 23:17.05 | Simca | not arg[2] |
| 23:17.33 | mckenziemc | no, he has the function signature set up to get event separately |
| 23:17.50 | jutik | arg1 is timestamp? |
| 23:18.06 | mckenziemc | oh nvm me >.> |
| 23:18.32 | Simca | change line 3 to be this |
| 23:18.40 | Simca | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.46 | Simca | then it will work like you intend |
| 23:19.35 | Simca | or alternatively, subtract 2 from every arg[*] call and replace arg[2] with event |
| 23:21.43 | Simca | ah you're checking sub_event, my bad. you'd want line 3 to be: local arg = {event, ...} |
| 23:22.24 | mckenziemc | better to change the indices or the parameters |
| 23:24.20 | Simca | tbh, i'd map everything out like: time_stamp, sub_event, hide_caster, source_guid, source_name, source_flags, source_raid_flags, dest_guid, dest_name, dest_flags, dest_raid_flags = ... |
| 23:24.24 | jutik | http://pastebin.com/2TMNEKx8 these two didnt work |
| 23:25.12 | Simca | because as far as i can tell, those entries don't match up (arg[2], arg[3] for unitGUID, arg[10] for spell) no matter how you do it |
| 23:25.48 | mckenziemc | there's always print(...) :p |
| 23:27.42 | Simca | using your original line 3, arg[2] is wright, arg[3] should be arg[4], arg[10] should be like arg[13] |
| 23:28.00 | Simca | unless my combat log handling is horribly out of date, anyway |
| 23:28.52 | Simca | SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS = function(time_stamp, sub_event, hide_caster, source_guid, source_name, source_flags, source_raid_flags, dest_guid, dest_name, dest_flags, dest_raid_flags, spell_id, spell_name) |
| 23:29.07 | jutik | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/Events_A-Z_%28Full_List%29 "arg1 timestamp arg2 event arg3 sourceGUID arg4 sourceName arg5 sourceFlags arg6 destGUID arg7 destName arg8 destFlags arg9 spellID arg10 spellName arg11 spellSchool arg12 and so on |
| 23:29.08 | Simca | that's what I have as my function args for that |
| 23:29.13 | Simca | wowwiki is horribly out of date |
| 23:29.16 | Simca | that's your problem |
| 23:29.43 | Simca | use wowpedia or wowprogramming |
| 23:30.22 | mckenziemc | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 23:30.32 | mckenziemc | granted, even wowprogramming can be out of date in some cases :P |
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| 23:32.28 | Simca | just skimming over the history log of that page at wowwiki, i don't think it's had the combat log event args updated since 2005 |
| 23:33.09 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:33.56 | jutik | so event nowdays is 2, spell is 13 and sourceguid should be 4? |
| 23:36.09 | Semlar | why on earth are you putting the arguments in a table |
| 23:36.41 | foxlit | because ...[4] is a syntax error, clearly. |
| 23:36.52 | Semlar | :( |
| 23:36.59 | jutik | got it to work now, thanks for the help |
| 23:37.02 | Semlar | noo |
| 23:37.19 | Semlar | please don't leave that like that |
| 23:38.04 | jutik | give me a better alternative then |
| 23:38.27 | Semlar | is COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED the only event you're going to be watching? |
| 23:38.50 | jutik | yes |
| 23:41.43 | Semlar | you can just write it as f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, timestamp, combatEvent, _, srcGUID, srcName, srcFlags, _, dstGUID, dstName, dstFlags, _, ...) or something |
| 23:42.40 | jleclanche | what the fuck, this moving company wants to charge me $5.5k for a 9m³ international move |
| 23:43.10 | Semlar | and then if combatEvent == 'SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS' then local spellID, spellName, spellSchool = ... |
| 23:43.48 | jutik | how's that any better for a short script like mine? |
| 23:44.02 | Semlar | because your script is producing a huge amount of garbage |
| 23:44.18 | Semlar | doing local arg = {event, ...} creates a table out of the variable arguments |
| 23:44.41 | Semlar | and for an event like COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, it's firing constantly, creating a new table every time it fires |
| 23:46.25 | Semlar | creating a bunch of tables like that is relatively slow and they just build up in memory until they get garbage collected |
| 23:47.52 | Semlar | normally i'd say it's not a big deal but this is a completely unnecessary performance hit and if anything makes it more confusing to read |
| 23:51.12 | mckenziemc | select(x, ...) ? |
| 23:51.19 | Semlar | stop that |
| 23:52.25 | jutik | just cba to list all the parameters and i doubt it will be a performance hit |
| 23:52.51 | mckenziemc | depending on his experience and goal with the addon idk if it's worth worrying about, but idk how significant the performance is either |
| 23:53.50 | Semlar | you can't be assed to literally copy and paste what i wrote |
| 23:54.23 | mckenziemc | often easier said than done |
| 23:54.26 | mckenziemc | typos and maintaining code thats' not understood |
| 23:55.16 | Amarande | jleclanche, you have too much stuff :) |
| 23:55.19 | jutik | i did change it now, but before when i wrote this from nothing i didn't want to spend too much time on it, but outdated info made me spend time on it anyways |
| 23:55.23 | Semlar | well it's not like i care, he's the one running the code |
| 23:55.25 | jleclanche | Amarande: 9m³ is nothing |
| 23:55.34 | jleclanche | Amarande: i've done 30m³ moves for <2k |
