| 00:00.22 | Mr_Rabies | i've got about $5k in dental work i need done, at the minimum |
| 00:01.31 | foxlit | so more or less every bussiness model in entertainment is predicated on their customers having a non-zero amount of disposable income. |
| 00:02.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's reliant on consumers having enough disposable income to afford the courtesy of paying for the things they want, yeah |
| 00:02.34 | Amarande | I like to be able to buy a game when it's attractive and the price is good, without having to worry that I need to play it soon or never |
| 00:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, i do think temporary games will always have less value to me |
| 00:02.59 | mckenziemc | courtesy of paying for? |
| 00:03.17 | mckenziemc | willingness is not courtesy |
| 00:03.58 | Amarande | and yeah, in the LONG run everything is temporary, even earth itself |
| 00:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | i look at paying for things as supporting things i like and supporting people who make things i like |
| 00:04.13 | Amarande | and in a shorter, but still probably long run, technological society |
| 00:04.26 | mckenziemc | i'm glad you like the companies that produce toilet paper... |
| 00:04.29 | Amarande | which is more or less doomed to be obliterated ultimately by solar storms, but just when this will happen is unknown |
| 00:04.37 | mckenziemc | oh sorry, "bath tissue" |
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| 00:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'll be honest, i've been considering a bidet, but that's not exactly a product you can demo :v |
| 00:07.03 | mckenziemc | hah |
| 00:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | but they do offer a product that preserves my psyche, so they're worth supporting, yeah |
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| 00:29.50 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:32.45 | Amarande | ... seriously, steam, you don't have an option to sort games by name in the store? :| |
| 00:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | they do @_@ |
| 00:33.40 | Mr_Rabies | that's default sorting |
| 00:34.01 | Amarande | huh, I don't see it ... I only see "new releases", "top sellers", and "specials" as sort priority options |
| 00:37.35 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait, i misread "store" as library" |
| 00:37.39 | Mr_Rabies | "library"* |
| 00:37.40 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 00:37.46 | Amarande | also, as an aside, every time I see "Tales of Maj'Eyal" in a list I keep thinking there's a place in wow called that ... probably troll ruins |
| 00:38.04 | Mr_Rabies | that is a weird way to sort for products you wanna buy, i'd say |
| 00:38.12 | Amarande | then again, there's so many troll ruins in wow that you can practically just combine any pair of exotic sounding syllables with an apostrophe and it sounds like troll ruins in wow :) |
| 00:43.31 | Amarande | also beginning to wish I bought certain titles from steam instead of gog. *sigh* |
| 00:43.59 | Amarande | oh well, eventually I'll be back on my xeon on windows at my fiancee's place and can run windows installers and games natively again heh |
| 00:44.10 | Torhal | Ama'rande sounds like a troll ruin. |
| 00:45.22 | Torhal | Or would that be Zul'Amarande? |
| 00:45.24 | Torhal | >.> |
| 00:45.46 | foxlit | Zul'alon, the missing draenor zone. |
| 00:45.47 | Amarande | Hah, when I played Guild Wars I used to joke there should be a Ritualist spell on the order of "Wordy Was Amarande" |
| 00:46.24 | Torhal | Missing because there were no trolls in Draenor? |
| 00:47.59 | foxlit | no, see, they came through a portal, as prophesized by that other zul guy, and took over faralon. |
| 00:48.05 | foxlit | two birds with one stone. |
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| 01:17.32 | mckenziemc | hurls Amarande from the top of Mount Hyjal. |
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| 01:45.14 | VIad | Ama'rande sounds like some night elf stuff |
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| 02:28.15 | Shirik | 2 nevada earthquakes |
| 02:28.19 | Shirik | oh nm those are nothing |
| 02:28.31 | Shirik | apparently nevada is close enough to me to trigger a notice on a 3.4 earthquake ._. |
| 02:29.30 | Ressy | Lots in Quebec lately. |
| 02:30.16 | Ressy | 7 in the last month or so? |
| 02:35.00 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 02:35.04 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 02:35.05 | Fisker | Hey Ressy |
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| 03:09.49 | kd3 | a 600MB ptr for flying and merc mode? |
| 03:10.10 | Mr_Rabies | probably lots of redone terrain? maybe more surprises? |
| 03:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | maybe they're giving us archimonde_part2.wmv on there |
| 03:10.46 | Kraps | yay expert riding |
| 03:11.20 | Kraps | remember when flying was slower than horse riding? |
| 03:11.27 | Kraps | that was awful |
| 03:11.58 | kd3 | welfare mounts? |
| 03:12.08 | mckenziemc1 | no, before that :p |
| 03:12.25 | kd3 | welfare flying |
| 03:12.30 | kd3 | iirc, bc was a long time ago |
| 03:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, that was pretty nice |
| 03:13.05 | Mr_Rabies | flying was pretty balanced being slower than riding |
| 03:13.20 | mckenziemc | albeit after 100% ground mounts ceased being a luxury :p |
| 03:13.26 | Kraps | balanced around what?! |
| 03:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | world size, etc |
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| 03:21.29 | Torhal | balances Kraps on mckenziemc. |
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| 03:33.49 | Simca | 600 MB PTR is pretty tiny |
| 03:34.07 | Simca | considering adt/wdt changes and dbcs |
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| 04:16.45 | mckenziemc | i need to get at least 11% on my statistics final or i'll get a C |
| 04:16.47 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 04:25.07 | Dagmar | Damn. THat means you can't show up blackout drunk then. |
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| 04:57.22 | Torhal | injects mckenziemc with 250mg Adderall. |
| 04:59.47 | mckenziemc | rejects Torhal at the 1% significance level. |
| 04:59.54 | Torhal | Rude. |
| 05:01.10 | mckenziemc | doesn't know how to re-write that as a pair of null and alternate hypotheses |
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| 05:04.57 | Torhal | Tuple. |
| 05:08.22 | mckenziemc | 52.26.252.102/minecraft/server/overviewer |
| 05:08.25 | Semlar | pops torhal's tuple |
| 05:08.51 | mckenziemc | err http://52.26.252.102/minecraft/server/overviewer |
| 05:08.52 | Torhal | pushes Semlar's HashSet. |
| 05:08.58 | mckenziemc | looks like my farmers need more carrots :( |
| 05:09.07 | mckenziemc | i abandoned them for wow |
| 05:09.31 | mckenziemc | releases all of Torhal's elastic IPs |
| 05:10.36 | Simca | this Cross Realm Assist addon is simultaneously neat and yet disappointing |
| 05:10.38 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/Px5Xv0k.jpg |
| 05:10.55 | Simca | Unknown realm my butt, it should scan serverIDs from nearby NPCs |
| 05:10.58 | Torhal | restricts mckenziemc's communications to PPoE via NATTT. |
| 05:11.21 | Simca | that Hulk is serverID 116... that's... |
| 05:11.45 | Fisker | amazing? |
| 05:12.24 | mckenziemc | go fish |
| 05:13.32 | Semlar | Simca: /who is completely broken for tanaan |
| 05:13.43 | Semlar | which is undoubtedly what it's using |
| 05:13.54 | Simca | that's dumb |
| 05:14.11 | Simca | it should use serverID identifications, lifted from battle.net |
| 05:15.03 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure nobody on the WoW team has drafted and then enforced a "Common Usages and Best Practices" document. |
| 05:15.12 | Torhal | Shit's all the fuck over the place. |
| 05:15.26 | Simca | I feel like TOM_RUS posted about it on wowinterface somewhere |
| 05:15.34 | Simca | now to spend 15 minutes to find it |
| 05:16.02 | Semlar | well, i'm the one who mentioned you could pull the server out of the npc's guids around you back on the beta |
| 05:16.17 | Semlar | and i thought you might be able to use it to figure out what realm you're on |
| 05:16.26 | Semlar | but i'm not so sure |
| 05:16.52 | Semlar | i'm gotten some different IDs from different npcs in the same area |
| 05:17.05 | mckenziemc | i'm pretty sure they have, Torhal |
| 05:17.19 | Semlar | i've |
| 05:17.19 | mckenziemc | #1: To be implemented.... Soon(tm) |
| 05:17.23 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Drafted, perhaps. Enforced? No. |
| 05:17.27 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 05:20.15 | Simca | they've gotten better in WoD and late MoP |
| 05:20.49 | Simca | using a proper API categorization scheme (C_PetBattles, C_MountJournal, C_BlackMarket, etc) and things like that |
| 05:21.19 | Simca | but there's tons and tons of parts of the API that are still only covered by functions that are unreliable with ambiguous names and arguments |
| 05:21.44 | Simca | they'll have to slowly modernize the old garbage parts over time |
| 05:22.08 | mckenziemc | not until they figure out how to fix things without breaking things :o |
| 05:22.55 | Simca | when has that ever stopped them from changing things :D |
| 05:23.12 | Torhal | I think _NPCScan was crippled because I pissed a server dev off. |
| 05:23.17 | Simca | lol |
| 05:23.22 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 05:23.53 | Torhal | At BlizzCon 2013, I was talking to some folks and he walks up. I nod to him and immediately go back to whomever I was speaking with. |
| 05:24.01 | Torhal | He got a look on his face like "Asshole" |
| 05:24.35 | Torhal | Then we were introduced. Later, he asked me what AddOns I did, and I mentioned _NPCScan. He said "Oh, that. We've been trying to kill that off for years, but the damn cache..." |
| 05:24.38 | Torhal | Boom. Dead. |
| 05:24.48 | Cairenn | >< |
| 05:24.53 | Simca | lol |
| 05:24.53 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:25.01 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 05:25.21 | Simca | it's an interesting change. they inverted the quest cache and npc cache behaviors at the same time. |
| 05:25.26 | Fisker | but Torhal they were already trying to kill it before Torhal |
| 05:25.42 | Simca | you couldn't query NPCs you hadn't seen before and you could query any quest in the game |
| 05:25.59 | Torhal | Fisker: :P |
| 05:26.10 | Simca | now: you can query any NPC (which breaks NPCScan) and you can't query quests unless the server has seen a player obtain them |
| 05:27.20 | Fisker | weird |
| 05:27.36 | Fisker | Found any neat internal npc's then? |
| 05:27.57 | Torhal | Simca: Something else that was broken with MoP: You can't get names for NPC factions that your faction isn't aligned with. |
| 05:28.01 | mckenziemc | Fisker Ghoul |
| 05:28.02 | Torhal | That was a fun thing to discover. |
| 05:40.04 | Simca | Semlar: https://github.com/Phanx/LibRealmInfo |
| 05:40.11 | Simca | that's what I was trying to remember |
| 05:40.23 | Semlar | yeah phanx made a library for it |
| 05:41.26 | Semlar | it's pretty large if you don't want to load all of the localizations |
| 05:43.01 | Semlar | erm locations |
| 05:45.36 | Torhal | preloads Semlar for all locations. |
| 05:45.57 | Semlar | imports * from torhal |
| 05:46.18 | Torhal | using Semlar; |
| 05:46.45 | Semlar | torhal.torhal.release(semlar) |
| 05:46.58 | Torhal | o.O |
| 05:47.30 | Simca | Semlar: 21 KB compressed |
| 05:47.47 | Simca | even reasonable for 56k users if they still exist |
| 05:49.00 | Torhal | renames Semlar.toc to semlar.toc |
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| 05:53.08 | Semlar | i was only using the lib to identify whether you were in US or EU and it was kind of overkill |
| 05:55.48 | Simca | yeah that's true |
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| 08:39.17 | WrathTECH | On line 8, how would one the vaiable to a sting of text? http://pastebin.com/DsyGrmCq - Tryoing to do a for loop to hide MainMenuXPBarDiv1 through MainMenuXPBarDiv19 |
| 08:40.39 | nevcairiel | _G["MainMenuXPBarDiv" .. i]:Hide() |
| 08:42.17 | WrathTECH | Thank you very much Nev |
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| 09:37.30 | LexSfX | how do i subscribe to comments made on curse.com? i have curseforge comments subscribed, but i've gotten a comment for my addon on curse and i saw it a few days late. i want to prevent that in the future |
| 09:37.59 | LexSfX | for an addon i'm working on: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/autogear |
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| 10:09.32 | nebula169 | LexSfX: http://www.curse.com/my-profile/activity click the envelope |
| 10:10.11 | LexSfX | nebula169: in the top-right? that takes me to my private messages |
| 10:10.20 | nebula169 | no, on the page i linked |
| 10:10.22 | LexSfX | ohhhh, i see |
| 10:10.30 | LexSfX | to the left of the addon name |
| 10:10.31 | LexSfX | thanks :) |
| 10:10.39 | nebula169 | it's kind of hidden away |
| 10:10.44 | LexSfX | yeah, thanks so much! |
| 10:15.42 | Gnarfoz | which one is on? orange? |
| 10:18.35 | nevcairiel | yes |
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| 11:19.36 | VIad | love doing old quests :D http://ss.bool.no/capture_1437045574.png |
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| 12:05.22 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: The issue is the frame not hiding correctly for gossip type npcs, I've encountered it for a long time as well, but I haven't figured out how to handle it properly |
| 12:10.55 | Gnarfoz | I think previously you just added delays for those NPCs where it happens? |
| 12:17.01 | Kraps | is there a way to stop ui error messages from showing |
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| 12:36.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, the excellence of Viagra spam before I've had caffeine. |
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| 12:52.59 | Fisker | spams Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:46.32 | VIad | odd how nat pagle dont remember you from mop :p |
| 13:46.35 | VIad | I got exalted with him |
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| 13:47.25 | VIad | or well, they just made his stuff to not cost gold but coins to make you farming on :< |
| 13:47.49 | nevcairiel | if you didnt have exalted, you would have to collect reputation first again =p |
| 13:48.29 | VIad | "hey bud remember me?" "oh you again..." "yeah, I did a ton of dalies for you like a year ago... and I see you have new stock!" "yeah sorry, but you gotta go fish for like a month, I just dont take gold anymore so..." |
| 13:48.49 | VIad | damn coins |
| 13:50.43 | VIad | didnt they add books once you are exalted you can easier get to exalted on alts? |
| 13:51.02 | jleclanche | not with nat |
| 13:51.22 | VIad | yeah obviously. its not like fishing is any hard to get up these days. |
| 13:51.43 | VIad | its only like 6 hours fishing in garrison to hit 700 skill |
| 13:52.19 | jleclanche | VIad: if you're gonna do that might as well fish at the faire instead |
| 13:52.56 | VIad | I did for the toy and such |
| 13:53.00 | VIad | but didnt do it for 700 sadly |
| 13:53.10 | VIad | was boring enough to fish like 300 DMF fish |
| 13:53.33 | jleclanche | i found hunting for pools was a lot more efficient |
| 13:53.39 | jleclanche | and lucrative |
| 13:53.57 | VIad | 350 skill atm |
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| 13:57.43 | Dagmar | The only problem is keeping the blood loss from smashing your head on the desk |
| 13:58.26 | Dagmar | I was under the impression we'd occasionally get area-appropriate level murloc attacks to break up the tedium |
| 14:02.42 | VIad | someone called me a "fgt" in dungeon chat when I said I only came to loot the daily item, then obviously proceeded to kill the rest with them :p lol |
| 14:03.20 | VIad | he was a very grumpy person though |
| 14:05.56 | VIad | oh you can buy fish book for alts |
| 14:05.59 | VIad | from nat pagle in mop |
| 14:06.00 | VIad | gonna do that |
| 14:06.06 | VIad | screw fishing to 700 |
| 14:09.22 | Ackis | hey Torhal does it bug you when I ping you when I quit IRC? |
| 14:09.45 | Torhal | Ackis: I hide join/part messages, because you're a dick. :D |
| 14:10.05 | Ackis | :D |
| 14:13.07 | Ressy | LOL |
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| 14:17.20 | VIad | it hurts so much to have gone away from my original main :( |
| 14:17.27 | VIad | but what can you do when guardians suck compared to a blood? |
| 14:17.54 | VIad | changed mid mop so been a while, still things like fishing, needing to do it on my new main :p |
| 14:20.39 | VIad | for those that raid, did blizz even "fix" guardians in wod? |
| 14:20.52 | VIad | because when I tried my bear in the beta I wasnt exactly turned on to go back :p |
| 14:22.11 | mckenziemc | you couldn't "bear" the thought? |
| 14:22.23 | VIad | I couldn't bear the gameplay either |
| 14:24.48 | Gnarfoz | is it likely you raid at a level where it matters |
| 14:25.32 | Gnarfoz | we have a druid, a monk, a DK, a paladin, and they all work fine |
| 14:25.40 | VIad | bears are still retroactive tanks? taking damage, then being healed up? |
| 14:25.54 | mckenziemc | no |
| 14:25.55 | VIad | the others usually have semi short CD active reduction of dmg abilities |
| 14:26.18 | Gnarfoz | you're thinking of DKs, surely? |
| 14:26.29 | Stanzilla | guardians are one of the best tanks atm |
| 14:26.30 | Gnarfoz | they're the "get murdered, heal" oens |
| 14:26.32 | mckenziemc | survival instincts is a damage reduction, savage defense is both dodge and a % reduction to all |
| 14:26.33 | Stanzilla | just saying |
| 14:26.36 | mckenziemc | and barkskin |
| 14:27.03 | VIad | survival had too long cd tbh but it did reduce also magic dmg yes |
| 14:27.10 | VIad | savage defense was only dodge when I played |
| 14:27.22 | VIad | barkskin is the only like active spell you can use a lot |
| 14:27.27 | mckenziemc | check them now |
| 14:30.49 | Torhal | dodges mckenziemc. |
| 14:31.01 | mckenziemc | stabs Torhal from behind. |
| 14:31.04 | VIad | so blizz did changes, shame too late imo :p |
| 14:31.12 | Torhal | backparries. |
| 14:31.26 | VIad | also does a tank druid ahve to be in form to cast his combat ress still? :p |
| 14:31.34 | VIad | I remember that being a slight issue sometimes |
| 14:31.58 | mckenziemc | don't know |
| 14:32.18 | VIad | probably still requires to leave form |
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| 15:40.52 | p3lim | oh wow, my mouse allows lua scripting, I could actually make something cool with this |
| 15:40.59 | p3lim | like a rotation helper or something :p |
| 15:41.24 | Dagmar | ...which will be _super awesome_ when it triggers while you're browsing a website. ;) |
| 15:41.44 | p3lim | it can also switch profiles based on what you are doing |
| 15:41.50 | p3lim | so if you're in wow, different profile |
| 15:42.01 | Dagmar | You'd be amazed at how often that can lag behind what you're really doing. |
| 15:42.08 | Dagmar | ...at least with Logitech's code |
| 15:42.26 | p3lim | I've already been using the profile switching for a long time, works well |
| 15:42.37 | Dagmar | I've got a special "DON'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING" profile for Inkscape and I've still managed to completely clusterfuck a few things by hitting a G-key at the wrong time. |
| 15:42.47 | p3lim | :p |
| 15:43.40 | p3lim | sadly there is no way to change the lights on my mouse from this though |
| 15:43.48 | p3lim | seems to have been made for the keyboards |
| 15:43.49 | Dagmar | I'm considering rewiring the "gaming mode" button that disables the Windows key so that it instead disables all the G-keys |
| 15:45.35 | Mihau | Dagmar: My damn keyboards have a laptop style Function key in place of the right side Options/Windows key. They could have used the nearly unused context menu, but nooooo lets screw over the OS X users. |
| 15:53.27 | Dagmar | You should try typing on my netbook. I'm a right-shift guy. |
| 15:53.39 | Dagmar | There's a bloody up-arrow key there. |
| 15:54.05 | p3lim | then.. get a new keyboard? |
| 15:55.12 | Dagmar | That's not quite the way netbooks work |
| 15:55.29 | p3lim | they don't have usb ports? |
| 15:55.45 | Dagmar | They don't make keyboards that fit in my pocket |
| 15:56.46 | p3lim | Sure they do |
| 15:56.47 | p3lim | http://ortholinearkeyboards.com/planck |
| 15:57.13 | p3lim | that thing is tiny |
| 15:57.31 | Dagmar | That spacebar is _offensive_ |
| 15:58.47 | p3lim | https://www.google.no/search?q=jd40&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=1109&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIz-nSqYLgxgIVBY8sCh00bQaG |
| 16:01.45 | Dagmar | You've never seen me go through an airport before. |
| 16:02.15 | Dagmar | Imagine the sketchiest drug dealer you know presenting you with his entire inventory, except with computery bits |
| 16:03.19 | Dagmar | To add a full sized keyboard I might as well go back to toting the full-sized laptop |
| 16:07.20 | Mihau | Oh yeah, I have a Keycool 84 style keyboard. I LOVE it for gaming, but the arrow key position is annoying for the right shift. |
| 16:09.24 | Dagmar | Yeah I used to have a Zippy like the asian girl on Torchwood used, but it eventually completely wore out |
| 16:09.37 | Dagmar | The half-height keys were really great for FPS gaming |
| 16:09.45 | Dagmar | Throw distance was about 2mm |
| 16:13.53 | Mihau | The 84 style layout I love just because the functions keys are aligned with the number keys. 1 -> F1 and so on are amazing for healing in MMOs. |
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| 16:27.09 | p3lim | mine: https://i.imgur.com/yu8K6Ev.jpg |
| 16:29.43 | fewyn | TIL you can't do gruul first on lfr |
| 16:35.26 | Unkle | p3lim: Install those in an office and swap the keyboard layouts to dvorak for many lulz. |
| 16:51.37 | p3lim | I have a key that toggles dvorak for that exact reason |
| 16:51.40 | p3lim | :D |
| 16:52.09 | p3lim | not a good prank to pull on my family though, they can't even use it without the labels |
| 16:52.27 | Unkle | :D |
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| 17:13.55 | jleclanche | Dagmar: mr robot is even getting the pronounciation of daemons right |
| 17:14.00 | jleclanche | pretty impressive! |
| 17:14.22 | Dagmar | Yeah I think last night they dropped a strong hint about why they've been so relentless about technical accuracy |
| 17:14.37 | Dagmar | Steel Mountain ~= Iron Mountain |
| 17:14.51 | Dagmar | They even named the same locations the company has facilities in |
| 17:15.39 | jleclanche | and this is where i stop reading cause im not done with the ep yet :) |
| 17:18.34 | jleclanche | Dagmar: hey, meta itsaunixsystem humour |
| 17:19.24 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Yd8v2Ub9E fascinating |
| 17:22.21 | Dagmar | Well, Iron Mountain is an _actual_ offsite backup storage company |
| 17:22.31 | Dagmar | ...and you'll know the hint when you get to it |
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| 17:34.25 | jleclanche | Dagmar: do i recognize that fish's voice from Community? |
| 17:34.34 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 17:34.45 | Dagmar | I don't know anythign about Community but I know that's a well-known actor |
| 17:35.02 | Dagmar | You're about to see the "hint" if you didn't just already see it |
| 17:42.01 | jleclanche | Dagmar: yeah i caught it |
| 17:42.16 | jleclanche | also no it's not keith david |
| 17:42.24 | jleclanche | unless imdb is out of date |
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| 17:50.04 | Dagmar | Oh no it's not Keith David |
| 17:50.30 | Dagmar | It's Elroy. ;) |
| 17:52.27 | Dagmar | With Youtube on one screen and ep4 on another its a lot easier to be sure |
| 17:53.05 | jleclanche | Dagmar: er, keith david played elroy |
| 17:53.07 | jleclanche | didnt he? |
| 17:53.13 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 17:53.16 | jleclanche | right |
| 17:53.25 | jleclanche | so it is him who voiced that damn fish? |
| 17:53.30 | Dagmar | Yes. :) |
| 17:53.35 | jleclanche | phew, I'm not crazy |
| 17:53.41 | jleclanche | Dagmar: the ending and the double-entendre with daemons. fucking loved it. |
| 17:54.55 | Dagmar | I don't think that's a double entendre |
| 17:55.35 | jleclanche | Dagmar: well there's three layers to it |
| 17:55.45 | Dagmar | Convergent symbolism |
| 17:55.56 | jleclanche | the literal meaning, the psychological symbolism, and the virus |
| 17:56.00 | Dagmar | Daemons are called daemons because they're basically daemons |
| 17:56.28 | Dagmar | "Inner demons" are figurative demons |
| 17:56.31 | jleclanche | i cant reasonably discuss this in a public channel =P |
| 17:56.38 | jleclanche | spoilers are hard |
| 17:56.53 | Dagmar | THey are _both_ demons, for different reasons |
| 17:56.54 | fewyn | pls no spoil |
| 17:57.13 | fewyn | i'm behind an episode |
| 17:57.31 | Dagmar | Man this episode is so far out there I could say that a bag of staples ate my dog and no one would have a clue |
| 17:57.54 | Dagmar | I spent more than a few minutes staring at the screen saying "wait... wut" |
| 17:57.55 | jleclanche | fewyn: spoiler: keith david voices the fish. |
| 18:00.11 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: gave up and went to sleep last night; the i915-param to elilo didn't do any good (first my modifications made elilo freak out completely). Figured I'd rather mess with it sometime when it's not so alte and I have patience |
| 18:00.40 | Dagmar | Probably left out the closing quotes on append or something |
| 18:01.13 | jleclanche | Dagmar: in other news, i had to deal with this earlier: http://pastebin.com/V7r7KNVQ (ctrl+f uid_max) |
| 18:01.49 | Dagmar | Did you drop a letter? It's saying htat paste has been removed |
| 18:02.07 | Dagmar | ...or did you foolishly paste an entire webshell into it |
| 18:02.17 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: nope, but I tried modifying a couple of other variables at the same time, because of some other guide... "chooser" and "timeout". Changed them all back |
| 18:03.29 | Dagmar | Heh. If you don't know what something does you make _one_ change at a time |
| 18:03.36 | zenzelezz | :D |
| 18:03.41 | Dagmar | ...but I guess you've learned that the hard way now |
| 18:03.43 | zenzelezz | it was late, I was impatient |
| 18:04.10 | jleclanche | Dagmar: it expired right as i pasted it heh. anyway, it was an /etc/login.defs with "UID_MAX /home/" |
| 18:04.46 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't say having to find a bootable flash image and randomly mounting /dev/sd* until I found EFI/Slackware/elilo.conf too hard |
| 18:04.46 | jleclanche | no idea how that shit can happen |
| 18:04.57 | zenzelezz | had worse... like forgetting to compile support for the file system, or DMA |
| 18:05.41 | Dagmar | jleclanche: *boggle* |
| 18:06.08 | Dagmar | Someone _very_ screwed up their puppet template or something |
| 18:06.15 | Dagmar | Careless use of sed maybe |
| 18:06.42 | Dagmar | I imagine the error messages were both numerous and hilariously useless |
| 18:07.22 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Yeah you don't wnat to be doing the things I'm doing with my android devices then |
| 18:07.32 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 18:07.37 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 18:07.39 | Dagmar | I repartitioned my Xoom last night |
| 18:08.00 | Dagmar | I actually lit candles and incense and plugged it's charger into a UPS |
| 18:08.24 | Dagmar | If you fuck that up, or anything goes wrong until you've gotten an image back in there, _you are done_. |
| 18:08.39 | Dagmar | You now have a fingerprint resistant cutting board or perhaps lunch coaster |
| 18:09.34 | Dagmar | There was no coming back from what I did if I fucked it up. The Xoom has _no_ hidden capability to read from the SDcard if the internal storage is trashed |
| 18:10.11 | Dagmar | Only some phones do |
| 18:10.28 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 18:10.35 | zenzelezz | who makes the Xoom? |
| 18:10.44 | Dagmar | I do not own the specialized hardware necessary to manually access the storage |
| 18:10.48 | Dagmar | Motorola |
| 18:11.11 | Dagmar | The stock partition is too small to take cyanogenmod versions above 10.1 and Google Apps at the same time |
| 18:11.37 | Dagmar | ...not unless I want to cook up my own APK that only contains the Play Store and Play Store Services |
| 18:14.03 | zenzelezz | it can be weird what they do to either limit costs or customizability |
| 18:14.26 | zenzelezz | been in talks with Samsung lately about their customization programme, Knox |
| 18:14.34 | Dagmar | Well, this is one of those "no one will ever need more than 64k" thinkings coming back to haunt someone |
| 18:14.55 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Ask them if they plan to send people to beat up Sprint managers |
| 18:15.24 | Dagmar | Sprint is dragging their feet on 5.1 because one of the new restrictions will break their "Connection Optimizer" |
| 18:15.25 | zenzelezz | I would, but I only deal with the European division |
| 18:15.47 | Dagmar | Apps may no longer change network state or even toggle airplane mode |
| 18:17.08 | zenzelezz | have a bizarre issue where two external NFC readers (ACR122U and ACR1251U-A1) work fine on a Galaxy Tab 4, but fail on the Galaxy Active.On top of that, *one* of the two when disconnected, makes the Active reboot spontaneously |
| 18:17.29 | Dagmar | Sweet! |
| 18:19.51 | Dagmar | It's awesome when you have a bug so severe that the platform would rather commit suicide than put up with even one more millisecond of your bullshit |
| 18:20.17 | zenzelezz | it's nice when their SDK guy asks "can you send the kernel log?" |
| 18:20.54 | zenzelezz | which isn't exactly very accessible on a non-rooted device. Don't know about rooted ones |
| 18:21.25 | zenzelezz | he provided a way though, so it was all good... though I couldn't see much useful data in there |
| 18:21.36 | Dagmar | It probably called for a reboot before it could write anything to the logs int he first place |
| 18:22.50 | zenzelezz | nah, I tried it on the regular Tab too, and that seemed even less useful... no entries since the 10th |
| 18:25.44 | Dagmar | I thought the active would have one built in |
| 18:26.30 | zenzelezz | a built in what? |
| 18:27.37 | Dagmar | An NFC reader built into the battery |
| 18:27.54 | zenzelezz | not sure if it's the battery or just near it, but it does |
| 18:28.15 | zenzelezz | but it's much more picky about when and how far away it will pick up on cards than a dedicated reader is |
| 18:28.24 | zenzelezz | which for our use is important |
| 18:28.51 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 18:29.01 | Dagmar | I just sort of grind my phone against the NFC tag. :) |
| 18:29.17 | Dagmar | Stripper-style |
| 18:30.52 | zenzelezz | for reasons beyond our control (at first delivery at the very least) we can't rely on them staying present long enough; the operation could easily take two to three seconds before we've had a chance to optimize things (rush to finish, so function over performance) |
| 18:30.54 | Dagmar | Usually when a device goes apeshit when you disconnect something from it physically the fault is with the kernel driver |
| 18:31.15 | zenzelezz | I believe it would be; he seemed very interested in testing it himself |
| 18:32.20 | Dagmar | I would be too |
| 18:33.12 | Dagmar | He's probably warming up his larynx to yell "WAI U NOT CHECK RETVAL?" at someone |
| 18:33.45 | zenzelezz | at a phone meeting the other day he did have Rajesh with him (although he sounded very British) |
| 18:34.25 | Dagmar | I pinch the bridge of my nose every time I have to deal with someone from there |
| 18:34.39 | zenzelezz | "there" where, Britain? |
| 18:34.51 | Dagmar | Some of them are very good. _Many_ of them are like listening to a parrot speak because of all the worthless diploma mills they have |
| 18:34.52 | Dagmar | India |
| 18:35.39 | Dagmar | The access control system we had at Vandy had an interface written in Mono by a bunch of just that sort |
| 18:35.55 | Dagmar | It had input fiels using Windows widgets that were pre-populated with underscores. |
| 18:35.59 | zenzelezz | aha. Well, haven't had to deal with them yet. Our contact seems to be a British-Chinese (or Chinese-British, I'm not sure what's the correct way to order them) |
| 18:36.07 | Dagmar | ...and if you didn't remove the underscores, god help you. |
| 18:36.19 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 18:36.34 | Dagmar | I decompiled it, removed _several_ critical bugs from it, and recompiled it one evening |
| 18:36.44 | Dagmar | ...and I do not even pretend to "know" C# |
| 18:38.03 | Dagmar | The vendor they were working with to provide the fingerprint readers was even worse |
| 18:38.24 | Dagmar | We had to give them remote access to some of the units, so on a lark we turned on a sniffer |
| 18:38.37 | Dagmar | It runs Linux. no mention in the docs of this. They used _telnet_ to get into it. |
| 18:38.39 | Dagmar | TELNET |
| 18:38.44 | Dagmar | In 2006. |
| 18:39.02 | Dagmar | Meanwhile I've got freaking CDUs that support ssh |
| 18:40.06 | zenzelezz | wow |
| 18:40.25 | kd3 | >.< |
| 18:40.43 | Dagmar | Bossman and I literally grabbed each other in terror when we saw that |
| 18:40.59 | Dagmar | Grown men clutching each other in horror |
| 18:53.36 | zenzelezz | man, had this discomfort/mild pain in my neck for a week and a half... getting tired of taking Ibux (whatever you call your ibuprofen-products in English), think I'll have to actually talk to the doctor tomorrow |
| 18:53.59 | zenzelezz | not entirely optimal to work with two monitors when half the time it's an unpleasant feeling turning your head to face one |
| 19:13.32 | Fisker | What's wrong with 2006 Dagmar ? |
| 19:13.40 | Fisker | My old job still uses it to this day |
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| 19:14.00 | Fisker | In fact they go as far as to disable SSH and enable telnet on newer devices |
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| 20:42.04 | foxlit | p3lim: foxlit: You're detecting the wrong quest for the 1000 garrison cache size << what's that? |
| 20:43.30 | p3lim | foxlit: you're tracking quest 37485 to see if the player can have 1000 resources in the cache, it's true on all my level 100's, even though some of them haven't even seen tanaan yet |
| 20:43.44 | p3lim | so must be the wrong quest |
| 20:44.07 | kd3 | gah, wth chattanooga |
| 20:44.25 | foxlit | your level 100s are defective. |
| 20:44.33 | foxlit | please delete them all and see if you can reproduce the issue. |
| 20:46.50 | Semlar | maybe it unlocks it on all the characters |
| 20:47.00 | p3lim | haven't even done it on one |
| 20:47.38 | p3lim | I thought I had because MP said I had like 800 something out of 1k, went to pick up and it was capped at 750 |
| 20:48.29 | Semlar | what, 750? |
| 20:48.44 | Semlar | the cache is capped at 500 normally |
| 20:48.54 | p3lim | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=38445/the-assault-base |
| 20:48.59 | p3lim | part of the campaign |
| 20:49.05 | kd3 | there's an item to raise the cap to 1k |
| 20:49.31 | p3lim | which I don't have yet |
| 20:51.33 | Semlar | well i can tell you 37485 is false for me |
| 20:51.50 | Semlar | as a level 100 horde without the item that increases it to 1000 |
| 20:52.16 | nevcairiel | i didnt even know there was a 750 thing, since I immediately purchased my 1000 |
| 20:52.30 | nevcairiel | on the other hand, my alt did said quest, and is still capped at 500 |
| 20:53.11 | Semlar | what's the item called |
| 20:54.34 | p3lim | http://www.wowhead.com/item=128294/trade-agreement-arakkoa-outcasts |
| 20:54.48 | p3lim | I'm not even revered with them |
| 20:55.10 | nevcairiel | i got most of it through the rep item you get from garrison missions |
| 20:55.20 | Semlar | well, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=189205/trade-agreement-arakkoa-outcasts says it marks 37485 as complete |
| 20:55.24 | nevcairiel | 3 alts with garrisons, send the item to the main |
| 20:55.50 | foxlit | I'm only semi-joking about your characters being defective. |
| 20:56.10 | Semlar | you want to send me 2k gold to purchase this item? |
| 20:56.21 | foxlit | nah, it wouldn't help. |
| 20:56.38 | foxlit | the quest ID is correct in the sense that using the item does flag that quest as completed. |
| 20:57.17 | Semlar | he may have it complete from something else |
| 20:57.34 | foxlit | the problem here is probably that the quest is called "REUSE", and may have been flagged as completed by something else in the past, hence defective characters. |
| 20:58.16 | nevcairiel | wouldnt they clear the complete flag when actually reusing it |
| 20:58.18 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 20:59.26 | Semlar | i did it anyway, it's the only quest it marks as complete so there isn't any other tracking quest involved |
| 21:00.30 | p3lim | it's even flagged on my 92 dk :s |
| 21:00.48 | foxlit | that's how I found the id to begin with, Semlar, so that's somewhat expected. |
| 21:00.53 | Semlar | really? you're typing /dump IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(37485) and getting true |
| 21:01.22 | Semlar | you don't have some other id in there |
| 21:01.23 | p3lim | yup |
| 21:01.40 | p3lim | copy-pasted from PlanA |
| 21:01.49 | Semlar | well, to be fair it does say it's being reused |
| 21:02.31 | Semlar | and it's associated with grimrail |
| 21:04.04 | Semlar | so maybe it did something else that you already completed at some point |
| 21:04.23 | foxlit | what's that about grimrail? |
| 21:04.34 | Semlar | well, it's under grimrail depot on wowhead |
| 21:04.39 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=37485/reuse |
| 21:04.44 | Semlar | not that it means much |
| 21:05.19 | Semlar | Quests > Dungeons > Grimrail Depot |
| 21:05.20 | nevcairiel | i think the grimrail category is some weird place to dump quests |
| 21:05.28 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 21:05.40 | nevcairiel | the pepe costume quests are also under grimrail for some reason |
| 21:05.55 | Semlar | i have no idea how they associate them with a category |
| 21:06.08 | nevcairiel | in your quest log it obviously shows a categoryy |
| 21:06.12 | nevcairiel | so there must be one |
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| 21:15.59 | foxlit | so, to recap, the quest api outputs junk for this case. |
| 21:17.20 | foxlit | and every potential workaround here sucks. |
| 21:19.20 | Semlar | well, aside from actually checking whether they looted more than 750 resources out of their box, i got nothin |
| 21:20.00 | Semlar | or monitoring whether they used the item |
| 21:24.32 | foxlit | can't really do that retroactively, so it'll basically be wrong until you wait for 500+/750+ resource loot. |
| 21:27.35 | Semlar | it's not an object you can loot so you can't get the object id of the chest even if it changes |
| 21:28.04 | foxlit | it stupidly proclaims "full garrison cache" at any point past 500 resources. |
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| 21:32.47 | foxlit | quest completion flags around the shipyard are rather annoying to begin with; I think one of my character still claims that it hasn't unlocked some of the blueprints. |
| 21:34.20 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 21:37.13 | Semlar | it seems like the unreliable quest is your best option here |
| 21:37.38 | Semlar | but maybe there's something you can check to know whether it's wrong for the player |
| 21:38.13 | Semlar | if you can assume if it's false the player doesn't have it, but if true they might have it |
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| 21:39.50 | Semlar | you can at least check that they could have purchased it |
| 21:40.08 | Semlar | if they have to be revered with arakkoa outcasts |
| 21:43.40 | foxlit | still well within the realm of "sucks" |
| 21:44.07 | Semlar | well the server knows that you've used it somehow because it blocks you from using it again |
| 21:44.30 | Semlar | you get the error "You have already entered into this Trade Agreement" attempting to use the item a second time |
| 21:44.38 | foxlit | presumably the server has more tracking mechanisms available than quests |
| 21:44.49 | Semlar | well yeah, it doesn't mean you have any way to check it yourself |
| 21:45.05 | foxlit | (I wonder why they actually use quests for tracking anything; seems better just to hide everything from the client) |
| 21:46.08 | Semlar | if guillotine were around we could pester him |
| 21:46.55 | foxlit | dunno, doesn't seem like a UI team problem. |
| 21:52.14 | Semlar | p3lim: what if you delete your cache folder |
| 21:52.25 | Semlar | or rename it |
| 21:52.29 | p3lim | was the first thing I tried |
| 21:52.52 | foxlit | you'd have to actually check isquestflagged again, because MP caches the cache cap. |
| 21:59.37 | VIad | do not blink as rogue to tentacles in dragonsoul :p at boss #2 |
| 21:59.45 | VIad | clipped through wold and fell |
| 22:21.30 | foxlit | hm, I wonder if someone tagged all interface\icons by what the image contains. |
| 22:21.41 | foxlit | having a list of all images of, say, treasure chests would be cool. |
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| 22:39.46 | mckenziemc | almost typed nohead instead of nodead in a macro |
| 22:47.28 | rid_ | :o |
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