| 00:00.12 | Dagmar | Don't be silly. A kidney is worth much more on the black market than those are |
| 00:01.04 | Dagmar | You're only talking about $8,000 dollars or so worth of kit in exchange for something a motivated buyer will easily pay $30,000 for. |
| 00:01.22 | fewyn | http://kotaku.com/nintendos-president-has-passed-away-1717386412 |
| 00:01.27 | znf | Find me a buyer. You have 10%. |
| 00:01.51 | Dagmar | fewyn: If I check my 3DS for special Miis this week, does that make me a bad person? |
| 00:02.01 | fewyn | yes |
| 00:02.05 | fewyn | except not |
| 00:02.09 | fewyn | gotta get dem miis |
| 00:02.41 | Dagmar | There's probably a lot of people leaving E3 already checking |
| 00:07.01 | VIad | he barely looks 40 |
| 00:07.28 | znf | Satoru Iwata has passed away at the age of 55. |
| 00:07.29 | znf | that's quite young |
| 00:07.46 | Dagmar | Yeah. The article says something about a bile duct problem |
| 00:07.58 | Dagmar | Only thing I can figure is he was too busy running nintendo to get it addressed properly |
| 00:09.00 | fewyn | that's actually pretty common |
| 00:09.04 | fewyn | for japanese ceos Dagmar |
| 00:09.14 | Amarande | yeah, it's called karoshi |
| 00:11.31 | fewyn | so i was looking at the world map for draenor... http://i.imgur.com/HAIsRJG.jpg is that another land mass to the south west or is it freying of the map? |
| 00:13.02 | znf | shit |
| 00:13.05 | znf | I gotta wake up in 4 hours |
| 00:13.11 | Semlar | i'm afraid it's a mass |
| 00:13.21 | znf | is it benign? |
| 00:13.25 | znf | Do we need surgery? |
| 00:13.25 | Semlar | maglignant. |
| 00:13.29 | znf | noooooooes! |
| 00:13.32 | Semlar | -g |
| 00:13.59 | Semlar | yes i'm afraid it's too late for draenor |
| 00:14.07 | Torhal | Magtherlignant, Semlar. |
| 00:14.22 | VIad | I want my farlooh! |
| 00:14.23 | Semlar | takes a maglite to torhal |
| 00:14.27 | VIad | it was supposed to have a raid too |
| 00:14.30 | VIad | wonder what it was |
| 00:14.34 | Torhal | takes a spotlight to Semlar. |
| 00:14.46 | Semlar | i've been spotted! |
| 00:14.48 | fewyn | i wonder what the next expansion is going to be |
| 00:14.54 | Semlar | wrath |
| 00:15.01 | Semlar | obviously |
| 00:15.06 | znf | Tpra;! |
| 00:15.06 | Semlar | this was BC |
| 00:15.07 | znf | I mean |
| 00:15.08 | fewyn | i wouldn't mind that |
| 00:15.10 | znf | Torhal! |
| 00:15.16 | znf | Wait, how did I miss one letter |
| 00:15.23 | Semlar | drunk |
| 00:15.26 | znf | Not anymore |
| 00:15.29 | znf | I'm sober, I promise |
| 00:15.35 | Semlar | YOU SHOULD HOPE NOT |
| 00:15.46 | znf | Wrath of the Leecher King? |
| 00:15.53 | Torhal | znf: ? |
| 00:15.58 | znf | Torhal, hugs! |
| 00:16.08 | Torhal | o.O |
| 00:16.09 | Semlar | wrath of the raven king |
| 00:16.09 | Torhal | WAT |
| 00:16.18 | znf | Back when WoTLK was released |
| 00:16.27 | znf | I barely started playing (in 2.2 actually?) |
| 00:16.41 | znf | And we were still part of a fairly big romanian private torrent tracker |
| 00:16.54 | znf | and our sysop was madly obsessed with WoW |
| 00:17.13 | znf | and it happened that we actually released a new version of our tracker software in that period |
| 00:17.19 | znf | we named it "Wrath of the Leecher King" |
| 00:17.22 | znf | it seemed fitting |
| 00:17.36 | Semlar | wrath of the leech king |
| 00:17.40 | znf | Leecher! |
| 00:17.51 | Semlar | pfft |
| 00:17.51 | znf | as in, torrent leecher |
| 00:18.02 | znf | get it?! |
| 00:18.13 | Semlar | but leech is closer to lich |
| 00:18.17 | Torhal | gets znf a straightjacket. |
| 00:18.22 | znf | yes, but we had leechers |
| 00:18.25 | znf | and seeders! |
| 00:18.31 | VIad | Wrath of the Leech King |
| 00:18.56 | VIad | Naxxramas 110 edition |
| 00:18.57 | VIad | nice |
| 00:19.12 | VIad | like the 60>80 just up the scale of bosses and mobs :) |
| 00:19.32 | znf | lol |
| 00:19.34 | znf | people are funny |
| 00:19.39 | znf | I'm googling our old torrent tracker |
| 00:19.54 | znf | and people say that we've been shut down by anti-piracy agencies |
| 00:19.55 | znf | heh |
| 00:21.36 | znf | (we actually shut down because we felt we were too old for that...) |
| 00:21.40 | fewyn | Naxxramas this time we really mean it? |
| 00:22.53 | Gnarfoz | Naxxramas was merely a setback |
| 00:22.56 | znf | Heh |
| 00:23.24 | Torhal | You are not prepared for Naxxramas. |
| 00:23.57 | Gnarfoz | Nobody expects the Naxxramas |
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| 00:42.20 | VIad | ok this is weird |
| 00:42.53 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436748168.png |
| 00:43.06 | VIad | I am in everbloom, left my lfg, instead of being ported out I get constant 5 sec to GY port |
| 00:43.08 | VIad | but it never happens |
| 00:43.18 | VIad | then I jumped to kill myself but didnt die at all, the killzone is gone... |
| 00:43.26 | VIad | so I just ran down towards westfall :P |
| 00:43.34 | VIad | and I can see something in the distance lol |
| 00:44.09 | VIad | even vashjir is visible from here |
| 00:44.10 | VIad | kind of odd |
| 00:46.30 | VIad | OMG |
| 00:46.36 | VIad | its the isle of what is his name |
| 00:46.37 | VIad | lol |
| 00:46.51 | VIad | no wait wtf |
| 00:47.05 | Trela | Bugged out and running around in ghost form? |
| 00:47.15 | Cairenn | http://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-ceo-satoru-iwata-has-passed-away |
| 00:47.20 | Trela | Why are underlining, Colloquy? D: |
| 00:47.43 | Trela | *are you |
| 00:47.57 | VIad | aaa |
| 00:48.11 | VIad | they placed the start part of everbloom faar west of stormwind :P |
| 00:48.20 | Trela | Yep. |
| 00:48.21 | VIad | atm using my eagle eye to explore |
| 00:49.37 | VIad | this is really weird |
| 00:49.41 | VIad | map is chopped up oddly |
| 00:50.07 | kd3 | guh. can we just kill flash already? |
| 00:50.15 | kd3 | a third HT zero-day has been exposed |
| 00:51.12 | Trela | I just love updating Flash. D: |
| 00:51.18 | VIad | I hope the warcraft movie isnt too CGIish |
| 00:51.24 | VIad | too much and it feels so fake :P |
| 00:51.36 | VIad | planet of the apes latest movies for instance. apes look fake. |
| 00:51.46 | VIad | at least tim burton made them really well with makeup in the 2001 one |
| 01:09.00 | Kraps | logged back in on a taxi and its going through terrain |
| 01:09.43 | Kraps | oh it went past a waypoint and "reset" |
| 01:13.02 | znf | Fuck |
| 01:13.06 | znf | Can't sleep |
| 01:13.16 | znf | 3 more hours and I have to wake up |
| 01:13.17 | Amarande | "Adobe Flash Player has been disabled." |
| 01:13.20 | Amarande | Perhaps it shall remain ever so. |
| 01:13.47 | Amarande | though that has a rather gloomy implication for it :( |
| 01:14.09 | Amarande | it basically pushes the PC as an entertainment medium further onto the skids, come to think of it. :| |
| 01:14.36 | Amarande | Java has proven intractably insecure, it looks like Flash is going to prove so as well |
| 01:14.58 | Amarande | but without those, the only alternatives for web-based applications are pretty much platform-specific ones |
| 01:15.19 | znf | Html5 can do almost everything that flash can these days |
| 01:15.34 | znf | It's mostly about legacy crap these days |
| 01:16.03 | Amarande | znf: isn't html5 really only good for web-based apps where virtually all the processing can be done server side? |
| 01:16.41 | znf | Not really. Everything that makes up html5 is/can be run client side these days |
| 01:16.41 | Amarande | browser-based games seem like they could suffer an early death, in particular, with both java and flash unsuitable, since those require lots of client side processing to be practical |
| 01:17.01 | Amarande | of course, perhaps this is one of the reasons Microsoft is so hot to deploy the whole "universal mobile app" thing in W10 |
| 01:17.22 | znf | Universal apps sounds like a stupid retarded concept |
| 01:17.27 | znf | Rather make it html5 |
| 01:17.45 | znf | Canvas is really powerful |
| 01:17.47 | Amarande | znf: Microsoft also has never really been that great at browser development, otoh :D |
| 01:17.53 | znf | Javascript is only getting better |
| 01:18.24 | znf | With all the new tech in html5/browsers, there's hardly any reason for flash |
| 01:18.45 | znf | Actually I can't think of any good reason to do flash these days |
| 01:18.55 | znf | (except antiqued browsers, but fuck those) |
| 01:20.06 | Amarande | I'm sure glad I'm not one of Pogo's developers at the moment |
| 01:20.33 | Amarande | They originally had most of their games as Java applets, then Java-on-the-Web basically went pear shaped so they spent a whole bunch of time converting them ... to flash |
| 01:20.54 | Amarande | Now it seems Flash is probably going to meet the same fate before long, how many zero-days has that been the last few days? |
| 01:21.04 | Amarande | (too many. adobe, why aren't you vetting the code more carefully?) |
| 01:25.52 | znf | I think they stopped caring, too |
| 01:26.49 | znf | At this point, flash is just going extinct and they know ur |
| 01:26.50 | znf | It |
| 01:52.44 | Dagmar | Hey man, as long as there's malware vendors, Flash will be supported. |
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| 02:51.59 | znf | Crap. Still can't sleep. Gotta wake up in 1 hour and half... |
| 02:52.26 | Iriel | znf: I suspect that might need to be âGotta still be up in 1 hour and a half..." |
| 02:53.03 | znf | Yeah... It usually ends up like that |
| 02:53.33 | znf | Actually it will be "i have to be up for È more hours" |
| 02:53.39 | Iriel | I have to get up at 4am on tuesday, thatâll be un-fun |
| 02:59.11 | znf | It's 6 am here... |
| 02:59.24 | znf | And I have to cover someone's shift at 8 |
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| 03:11.05 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:11.06 | purl | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 03:11.08 | Shirik | what |
| 03:11.12 | Shirik | who changed that |
| 03:11.16 | Shirik | ~factinfo ping |
| 03:11.16 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 03:11.16 | purl | ping -- created by triclops <~triclops@203-219-160-62-nsw.tpgi.com.au> at Mon Oct 20 01:05:24 2003 (4284 days); last modified at Wed Jun 3 15:58:55 2015 by Torhal!Torhal@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedb:9160; it has been requested 2270 times, last by Shirik, 11s ago. |
| 03:11.29 | Shirik | slaps Torhal |
| 03:11.44 | Torhal | :P |
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| 03:21.59 | znf | And now in sleepy |
| 03:51.53 | znf | God damn it, brain. |
| 03:52.02 | znf | Still can't sleep |
| 03:54.18 | znf | And S02E07 english sub for HCF is not out yet |
| 03:54.21 | znf | fuck me :( |
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| 07:50.18 | jleclanche | the first raid naval mission lose a SECOND time, at 94%, because of that bullshit captain's command buff |
| 07:50.22 | jleclanche | 4th epic ship lost on it |
| 07:50.25 | jleclanche | unbelievable |
| 07:50.43 | nevcairiel | you should also get better trained captains, clearly |
| 07:51.07 | jleclanche | this is one of the dumbest mechanics blizz has introduced in this xpac really |
| 07:51.18 | nevcairiel | ...because it can actually fail? |
| 07:51.28 | jleclanche | no, the ship destruction |
| 07:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | you can bypass the captain's command buff but it's pretty stupid the amount of GR you have to spend to do so |
| 07:51.48 | nevcairiel | if its just going to succeed anyway, they might as well just mail you rewards once every two weeks |
| 07:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | well, sometimes |
| 07:52.31 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you cant get it to 100%, and the ships have a chance to be destroyed, and you cant realistically get this shit to a high % without epic ships in the first place |
| 07:53.01 | nevcairiel | i dont get your point, so you lose a ship and spent a day leveling it up again, thats not a big deal |
| 07:53.02 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ive spent 3.5k garrison resources on the *mission* alone, and another 4k leveling both ships, over 4 days, so i could get the mission in time |
| 07:53.12 | jleclanche | no, i lost 2 fucking ships, twice |
| 07:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | i personally stopped doing missions under 90% and under 100% if i actually care about the reward (like the raid gear), not that that applies to your case here |
| 07:54.07 | jleclanche | and where do you level your ships in a day? |
| 07:54.15 | jleclanche | it takes me 3 days to get a ship to epic |
| 07:54.39 | nevcairiel | i usually use a mission completion order or something, not like i have anything else to use them on |
| 07:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | they pretty much made the mage tower mandatory with 6.2, that will help a lot |
| 07:55.01 | nevcairiel | nah its not that important since they nerfed the mission times again |
| 07:55.12 | nevcairiel | when it was 2 day missions sure |
| 07:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | knocking 18 hours down to instant is pretty nice |
| 07:55.15 | nevcairiel | but 4-8 hours |
| 07:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, not really worth speeding up most 4-8 hour missions |
| 07:55.46 | nevcairiel | its always nice to get a 15k xp mission done in 5 seconds yeah |
| 07:55.49 | Mr_Rabies | the only missions that short are xp-only, but yeah |
| 07:56.01 | Mr_Rabies | i've never seen a 15k mission, 10k is the best reward i've seen |
| 07:56.02 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 07:56.09 | Mr_Rabies | you mean 15k including base xp |
| 07:56.24 | nevcairiel | i think there are some rare combat missions that yield 15k |
| 07:56.26 | jleclanche | i have a 2 day 15k xp mission here, i think it's a questline mission |
| 07:56.39 | nevcairiel | and the legendary quest missions do that too, yes |
| 07:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 07:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | i made sure all of those were 100% with epic boats so :v |
| 07:57.01 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 07:57.03 | jleclanche | its retarded |
| 07:57.08 | nevcairiel | unlike follower missions, those missions dont go away when you fail them |
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| 07:57.09 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 07:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | what, really |
| 07:57.36 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: yes but wtf am i gonna do? attempt them repeatedly with green boats until they succeed? |
| 07:57.38 | nevcairiel | at least the important ones like raid gear and the quests |
| 07:57.39 | Mr_Rabies | all naval missions or just the legendary questline ones? |
| 07:57.49 | nevcairiel | not sure about all the normal ones |
| 07:57.52 | nevcairiel | not like it matters for them |
| 07:58.00 | Mr_Rabies | well shit if i knew the raid gear ones would repeat i would have done them like a week ago |
| 07:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | i was deathly afraid to fail it |
| 07:58.10 | jleclanche | yeah they stick |
| 07:58.19 | jleclanche | like i said this is gonna be my 3rd attempt on this mission |
| 07:58.52 | jleclanche | also it seems to reset the mission entirely |
| 07:58.56 | Mr_Rabies | aww yee gonna get pathfinder tomorrow |
| 07:58.58 | jleclanche | it was replaced with another set of abilities |
| 07:59.12 | nevcairiel | i think you get another one yeah, which can be nice if you had problems to counter the original one |
| 07:59.24 | jleclanche | this is the first one that doesnt have captain's command |
| 07:59.28 | jleclanche | it's ACTUALLY counterable |
| 07:59.45 | nevcairiel | people need to accept that ship missions are not supposed to be 100% all the time |
| 07:59.50 | jleclanche | dude |
| 07:59.55 | nevcairiel | accept! |
| 07:59.56 | jleclanche | i accept that, but the mechanic is retarded |
| 08:00.03 | nevcairiel | so you had bad luck |
| 08:00.04 | nevcairiel | get over it |
| 08:00.33 | jleclanche | i dont care about having bad luck, i care about wasting 7k resources, 4 ships and over a week on this shit |
| 08:00.49 | jleclanche | because of an *uncounterable* mechanic |
| 08:01.08 | jleclanche | and blizz is surprised people want to get all missions to 100% |
| 08:01.11 | jleclanche | give me a fucking break |
| 08:01.22 | Mr_Rabies | they really should at least let you recruit crews |
| 08:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | it makes no sense to have to decommission a ship to recrew it |
| 08:02.13 | jleclanche | also fuck the mage tower, i need a lumber mill because of this BS |
| 08:02.24 | nevcairiel | those are different building slots |
| 08:02.50 | nevcairiel | get your facts straight before ranting at least! |
| 08:02.50 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 08:03.00 | jleclanche | heh |
| 08:03.12 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that there's no usable lumber in tanaan |
| 08:03.20 | nevcairiel | yeah thats kinda annoying |
| 08:03.28 | nevcairiel | but not like collecting a few hundred in nagrand takes that long either |
| 08:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | i know they could bs about "corrupted by fel blah blah" but |
| 08:03.49 | Mr_Rabies | it's really just showing how busy they are not working on this expansion in general |
| 08:04.19 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: they got all of team 2 building deck slots for the other guys |
| 08:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | while i love the story and setting of this expansion, it feels very, very barebones beyond that |
| 08:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | the raids are pretty neat too, but that's about all there is |
| 08:05.54 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/KqJ2Wfa.jpg |
| 08:05.57 | jleclanche | yeah started off really well, turned into more of the same very fast |
| 08:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's definitely a double whammy to increase the expansion cost and reduce the content available per-expansion at the same time |
| 08:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | the game hit "post expansion lull" after less than a year |
| 08:06.21 | nevcairiel | people always ask for things to do, but i dont really remember any expansion where there was much to do beyond the initial experience, so shrug, the raids are fine, and thats fine for me |
| 08:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | i think the big thing is just how -bad- the WoD dungeons are |
| 08:07.03 | nevcairiel | i like the dungeons |
| 08:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | this is coming from someone who loved the cata dungeons at first |
| 08:07.23 | jleclanche | i found i enjoy raids a lot more than before now that i spend <= 1 hour per boss until i kill them and never go back to them |
| 08:07.25 | nevcairiel | there is just no reason to go there |
| 08:07.36 | Mr_Rabies | i just don't much like em, they feel like the cata dungeons, fun the first time, horrible after taht |
| 08:07.45 | Mr_Rabies | the only saving grace is i don't have a reason to do them |
| 08:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | farming the cata dungeons daily when i was well past needing the gear was a nightmare |
| 08:08.32 | jleclanche | part of the problem is how much content they throw away after each expansion |
| 08:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | at least the MoP ones were basically soloable by 6.2 |
| 08:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | they're working on that with timewalking, jleclanche |
| 08:08.59 | jleclanche | yeah i mean |
| 08:09.02 | jleclanche | timewalking is awesome |
| 08:09.09 | Mr_Rabies | but is anyone really gonna want to timewalk cata or wod dungeons in the future? |
| 08:09.17 | nevcairiel | sure why not |
| 08:09.20 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 08:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | they take forfreakin' ever :< |
| 08:09.39 | jleclanche | im more afraid to timewalk BRD T_T |
| 08:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | especially like, zul gurub, though i think they did nerf that |
| 08:10.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, they split BRD into wings, so i imagine that change would remain for everyone's sanity |
| 08:10.00 | nevcairiel | brd aint that bad since they revamped it for LFD |
| 08:10.03 | jleclanche | wow i forgot zg turned into a dungeon |
| 08:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | i would like to see timewalking raids |
| 08:10.27 | jleclanche | but dungeons arent the only thing they lose every xpac thats the thing |
| 08:10.39 | jleclanche | yeah raids are a big one, MUCH harder to timewalk because of balance |
| 08:10.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's the big thing to tide people over in 6.3 when 7.0 inevitably gets delayed |
| 08:10.50 | jleclanche | "oh look at all the spells you dont have" |
| 08:10.57 | nevcairiel | raids are also too big to really make it attractive to run |
| 08:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | they could probably do some neat stuff |
| 08:11.12 | jleclanche | well nevcairiel |
| 08:11.16 | jleclanche | if you think outside the box for a while |
| 08:11.18 | jleclanche | like |
| 08:11.26 | Mr_Rabies | make them flexmodo |
| 08:11.29 | nevcairiel | they could make it LFR, but then its going to be boring-sauce |
| 08:11.31 | jleclanche | have recurring 1 month events where a random raid is available |
| 08:11.44 | jleclanche | not in LFR more, but something actually harder |
| 08:11.48 | Mr_Rabies | honestly the weekend events really should start on tuesday |
| 08:11.50 | nevcairiel | but what do you offer for an organized raid guild to bother to go there |
| 08:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's so dumb that they don't |
| 08:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | just have them last all week, ya jerks |
| 08:11.57 | jleclanche | and rewards some good non-gear stuff |
| 08:12.00 | jleclanche | to finish it |
| 08:12.09 | Mr_Rabies | throw the fishing contest into the weekly system, too |
| 08:12.10 | nevcairiel | non-gear is hardly attractive for the majority |
| 08:12.20 | jleclanche | gear is available everywhere else |
| 08:12.35 | jleclanche | reward 300 fucking thousand gold a player for downing the final boss and youll get your majority |
| 08:12.44 | jleclanche | its not like they cant come up with something |
| 08:12.47 | nevcairiel | and if its hard enough to be enjoyable, a time-limited thing is going to be annoying, as you may not have the time to progress through it properly |
| 08:13.08 | jleclanche | thats the challenge |
| 08:13.12 | jleclanche | finish it before the month is over |
| 08:13.30 | jleclanche | easy as pie for any organized guild, but something to actually look forward to for other players |
| 08:13.42 | Mr_Rabies | hell, do it old school style |
| 08:13.44 | jleclanche | and it's not "0.1% content" like blizzard is afraid to make |
| 08:13.49 | jleclanche | cause you can just GO THERE |
| 08:13.54 | nevcairiel | you could only ever do that when t he existing raid content is already half-stale, and at that point people will complain anyway that they would rather have a new raid =p |
| 08:13.55 | jleclanche | and blast the shit out of everything solo |
| 08:14.05 | jleclanche | ignore the complaints |
| 08:14.10 | jleclanche | be a damn game dev :P |
| 08:14.27 | Mr_Rabies | finish it on normal, get a token you can exchange for mounts/pets/etc |
| 08:14.35 | jleclanche | aye |
| 08:14.43 | jleclanche | the problem really is balance |
| 08:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | finish it on heroic, get two tokens, etc |
| 08:14.52 | nevcairiel | such things just dont motivate players enough, even a large sum of gold may not |
| 08:15.03 | jleclanche | it's possible to motivate players |
| 08:15.04 | nevcairiel | unless its way too large for comfort |
| 08:15.24 | jleclanche | motivation is the last thing you should worry about really |
| 08:15.32 | jleclanche | if players arent motivated, add rewards |
| 08:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | you won't motivate everyone |
| 08:15.48 | nevcairiel | imho its the first thing you need to worry about, whats the point in building something if you don't even know yet how to get players to play it |
| 08:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | hell, some people still aren't motivated to raid at all |
| 08:16.16 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you dont know what the motivation will be in advance |
| 08:16.21 | Mr_Rabies | despite it being more available and simple than ever, in terms of access |
| 08:16.22 | jleclanche | maybe people will like the new system |
| 08:16.39 | jleclanche | maybe they wont |
| 08:16.43 | Mr_Rabies | the trick, nevcairiel |
| 08:16.51 | jleclanche | maybe they wont use it because there's a specific issue with it |
| 08:17.04 | Mr_Rabies | is to find a way to make it easy enough to implement that motivation isn't really an issue |
| 08:17.10 | nevcairiel | people run timewalking dungeons because its fun and fast, despite their terrible rewards |
| 08:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | add in extra action buttons for stuff that's no longer available |
| 08:17.22 | Mr_Rabies | like a decurse button for MC, etc |
| 08:17.32 | nevcairiel | raids just dont have that going on, they take too long and require too much commitment to just run them like this |
| 08:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | and just scale the content |
| 08:17.43 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you cannot possibly know this stuff in advance |
| 08:17.45 | jleclanche | so stop |
| 08:17.54 | Mr_Rabies | don't change the fights, just add spells, etc as needed to make it possible |
| 08:17.57 | nevcairiel | of course I can, wow players are rather predictable |
| 08:18.02 | Mr_Rabies | and scale hp/damage |
| 08:18.20 | jleclanche | would you have predicted running recycled dungeons rewarding shit gear wouldve been popular? |
| 08:18.42 | jleclanche | it's easy to say yes in hindsight |
| 08:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | or add a zone-wide buff in MC that reduces the cooldown on spells that remove magic, curse, and poison |
| 08:19.02 | jleclanche | but it wasnt a predictable result at all, especially since the rewards werent even expected to be so bad |
| 08:19.14 | Mr_Rabies | stuff like that |
| 08:19.35 | nevcairiel | i'm not sure I would really call it generally popular with everyone, but yes, I would have, since those are 20min tasks for content not seen for years, just a bit of diversity |
| 08:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | basically very little effort is needed to make the place -workable- even if you're not there to recreate the entire experience |
| 08:20.00 | nevcairiel | Although the next time the BC event comes around, it may not be as popular anymore, since those dungeons are kinda boring :( |
| 08:20.02 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you're stuck thinking in the current state of wow |
| 08:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | many people loved the scaled MC, even if it was a bit broken and there were no power rewards |
| 08:20.16 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: you just asked about the current state |
| 08:20.22 | nevcairiel | dont twist thigns to your advantage :P |
| 08:20.33 | jleclanche | no, I'm theorizing about a massive change in design |
| 08:20.44 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: we already had a rescaled MC, and it wasnt that much fun |
| 08:20.52 | jleclanche | he just said it was |
| 08:20.53 | jleclanche | and it was |
| 08:20.59 | Mr_Rabies | i loved it, personally |
| 08:21.08 | nevcairiel | the bosses are just super boring |
| 08:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | it was more nostalgic than literally anything i've ever done in wow |
| 08:21.23 | nevcairiel | classic is too far back, really |
| 08:21.28 | Mr_Rabies | everyone going OH MY GOD DECURSE DECURSE DECURSE |
| 08:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | was so damned fun |
| 08:21.38 | nevcairiel | thats really all MC had going for it |
| 08:21.42 | nevcairiel | mass decursing everywhere |
| 08:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | don't get me wrong |
| 08:21.55 | Mr_Rabies | i think the game's way better than it was in vanilla or tbc |
| 08:22.13 | Mr_Rabies | but actually being able to run the content with some modicum of challenge is fun |
| 08:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | the stuff i used to basically live in being long soloable is kind of a bummer, but i love being able to solo it |
| 08:23.09 | nevcairiel | how many people are actually left that raided MC back in the day, and how would people feel about it that did not? |
| 08:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | BWL's probably my favorite raid still despite being pretty boring mechanically nowadays |
| 08:23.25 | nevcairiel | I bet those that see it for the first time just see it for what it is, a rather boring raid build in a week =p |
| 08:23.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's almost definitely true |
| 08:23.56 | Kalroth | MC was a good starting raid, you didn't even need 40 to begin raiding there |
| 08:23.59 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm saying they can most likely make a scaling formula for raids that wouldn't require manually retooling each raid in a huge way |
| 08:24.08 | Kalroth | we got our first boss kills with less than 30 |
| 08:24.12 | Mr_Rabies | basically the same thing they've done with timewalking dungeons |
| 08:24.30 | Kalroth | and the first Ragnaros kill felt pretty awesome |
| 08:24.31 | Mr_Rabies | most guilds really were about 20 man, to be honest, Kalroth |
| 08:24.36 | Mr_Rabies | there may have been 40 players in the raid |
| 08:24.50 | nevcairiel | different times Kalroth, people actually got excited about downing a boss the first time |
| 08:24.53 | nevcairiel | these days its just "oh its down" |
| 08:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | but most raids ran at only about half effectiveness :V |
| 08:25.46 | Kalroth | nevcairiel, both Ragnaros and Nef felt good to kill, but because they weren't easy |
| 08:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | nefarion was so damned broken early on holy hell |
| 08:26.10 | nevcairiel | nefarian was an awesome fight back then |
| 08:26.11 | Mr_Rabies | i can't tell you how many times he'd randomly reset |
| 08:26.11 | Kalroth | there were also other bosses that weren't easy, but they just weren't fun |
| 08:26.25 | nevcairiel | it was actually challenging alone to pick up and tank all the skeleton adds |
| 08:26.32 | nevcairiel | imagine, just tanking a few adds was challenging |
| 08:26.36 | Kalroth | yeah, i know :p |
| 08:26.42 | Mr_Rabies | and day 1 of BWL was insane since the PTR wasn't a thing yet |
| 08:26.52 | Kalroth | i think we went with the kite strat, hence it was a little harder than it should have been :p |
| 08:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | razorgore was functionally broken for a while :v |
| 08:27.12 | Mr_Rabies | i do kinda miss learning fights for real with nothing to tell you what to do |
| 08:27.13 | Kalroth | BWL was super broken on my realm, 3 months of fucked up hardware |
| 08:27.32 | Kalroth | like half the raid would have 40-60% packet loss randomly |
| 08:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | my guild looks at me like i'm crazy when i say i don't remember anything from the boss strat videos nowadays |
| 08:27.58 | Kalroth | so even Razorgore was challenging |
| 08:27.59 | nevcairiel | in any case, classic is definitely too far back to even consider making timewalking raids out of, it would just be disappointing, since a lot of the challenges from back then have been totally killed by class design |
| 08:28.06 | Kalroth | yup |
| 08:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think so, nevcairiel |
| 08:28.18 | Kalroth | WoW classes are much, much, much different now |
| 08:28.37 | Kalroth | when I raided MC and BWL, it was without paladins and dorf immunities |
| 08:28.37 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't be the exact same challenge, but i don't think that necessarily has to be the goal |
| 08:29.03 | Mr_Rabies | just seeing some of the stuff again with any challenge at all would be fun |
| 08:29.28 | nevcairiel | the key word is "again". its probably some sort of fun for people that raided it before, for nostalgia |
| 08:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | now if they were custom retooling each raid, i'd agree fully, but i don't think that's ever gonna happen |
| 08:29.38 | nevcairiel | but really, designing it for those people alone seems like its not wroth it |
| 08:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i think a lot of people that never did it would enjoy being able to see the stuff without one-shotting everything in the raid |
| 08:30.02 | nevcairiel | rather take other raids that can appeal to everyone more |
| 08:30.36 | nevcairiel | like, can probably make karazhan mildly interesting. it always was a bit of a "casual" raid, so it may fit this theme perfectly |
| 08:31.28 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see it necessary to exclude content because some folks may be uninterested if it's basically just a scaling formula |
| 08:32.23 | Mr_Rabies | i mean hell, i don't really care for most of the darkmoon stuff nowadays, or pet battles |
| 08:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | i see them both as way too tedious |
| 08:32.34 | Mr_Rabies | but i know a lot of folks love them |
| 08:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | well, darkmoon faire has two modes |
| 08:32.59 | Mr_Rabies | babbymode and insanely tedious |
| 08:33.10 | nevcairiel | i usually only go there when they add new stuff and do that once or twice |
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| 08:34.46 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't have the dumb wings |
| 08:34.58 | nevcairiel | that one is super easy |
| 08:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have that kinda patience |
| 08:35.11 | nevcairiel | if you want patience, try gold on the new racing things |
| 08:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather slam my head into a door until i passed out |
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| 09:16.50 | Simca | yeah, a few of the gold racing ones are super ridiculous |
| 09:17.15 | Simca | took me 30-60 min each and that's after watching a guide |
| 09:19.33 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother with a guide |
| 09:19.41 | nevcairiel | without a guide, silver was challenging enough on some of the vehicles |
| 09:20.02 | nevcairiel | hate the robot on the long race, every rocket is like "nooo i don't want the damn rocket" |
| 09:29.19 | Dagmar | I might worry about it next month |
| 09:29.30 | Dagmar | The gold ones are things that to me look like they're basically exploits |
| 09:29.54 | Dagmar | Not in the game mechanics sense, but in the "real judges would disqualify your ass for this" sense |
| 09:30.17 | Dagmar | Rally drivers are expected to drive on the road, not say, jump the fucking car over a circus tent |
| 09:32.22 | Dagmar | My irritation is much reduced by the fact that after the race you can just go tear-assing all over the island on the things |
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| 11:46.28 | jleclanche | So what does the mage tower do in 6.2 with the naval stuff? |
| 11:48.11 | Gnarfoz | mission completion item |
| 11:48.14 | Gnarfoz | from work orders |
| 11:48.28 | Gnarfoz | pretty useful with naval mission run times ^^ |
| 12:08.52 | p3lim | foxlit: Are you doing anything in Master Plan to retrieve the amount of resources in the garrison cache? |
| 12:55.00 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: I'd assume so: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/files/57-0-50/ |
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| 13:44.10 | karl_w_w | the future has arrived http://i.imgur.com/xpggv6L.gif |
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| 14:18.34 | Dagmar | Heheheh |
| 14:19.14 | Dagmar | Okay so I _really_ like collecting haste. I went through Everbloom picking trees, just casually killing things that were gettin in my way. 41358 DPS. |
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| 15:09.04 | VIad | wish we could have that http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436800142.png |
| 15:09.30 | VIad | left is like it is now, right is with making the foliage transparent so you still see yourself |
| 15:10.23 | VIad | guild wars does it (if I recall correctly) |
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| 15:11.00 | Amarande | Yeah, sometimes a good graphics card can even be a disadvantage in MMOs, go figure heh |
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| 16:04.27 | Simca | <Dagmar> The gold ones are things that to me look like they're basically exploits |
| 16:04.27 | Simca | <Dagmar> Not in the game mechanics sense, but in the "real judges would disqualify your ass for this" sense |
| 16:05.00 | Simca | one of them is a real exploit |
| 16:05.29 | Simca | you can use the powermonger to store a rocket powerup, then run back to the starting line, abandon the quest, pick it up again, and start the race with a rocket powerup |
| 16:05.54 | Simca | which lets you rocket straight to the first checkpoint and save several bell tolls |
| 16:06.12 | Simca | given that they haven't hotfixed it for 2 months i doubt they care though |
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| 16:07.14 | Amarande | Simca: yeah, exploits are a pretty fiddly concept when it comes to developers caring |
| 16:07.26 | Amarande | there are things that seem fairly minor where you'll get smacked down |
| 16:07.51 | Amarande | and meanwhile, things that seem so useful that they can't possibly be anything but an exploit, but everyone does it and nobody cares and it may even be working as intended |
| 16:08.13 | Amarande | like the "evade your pvp server" partying trick or standing on the barrels to fight dr boom without him being able to fight back effectively |
| 16:09.19 | Simca | this one is pretty easy to fix - make it so you can't abandon the quest |
| 16:09.27 | Simca | you auto abandon when leaving your vehicle |
| 16:09.47 | Simca | if the manual abandon is removed, you'd be forced to leave the vehicle and lose your powerup to abandon |
| 16:09.58 | Amarande | Simca: wouldn't that mean once you get in the vehicle you're forced to stay in it till you manage to finish the quest? |
| 16:10.04 | Amarande | that could lead to ... frustration |
| 16:10.09 | Simca | you can right-click the buff off |
| 16:10.14 | Amarande | hard quests where you can't go back on them for whatever reason get pretty painful |
| 16:10.35 | Amarande | I was glad when Garrosh destroyed the Vale, it meant no more characters had to endure the torment that was the end of the Golden Lotus quest chains |
| 16:20.15 | fewyn | any opinions on the best way to get the fel corrupted apexis frags? |
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| 16:23.10 | Fisker | attacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 16:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | The internet works again! Huzzah. |
| 16:23.28 | Fisker | good! |
| 16:38.49 | Ressy | fewyn: Do the saberstalkers teotem summons. |
| 16:39.01 | fewyn | yeah i just discovered those |
| 16:39.10 | Ressy | You get 6 total when you do all 3? |
| 16:39.23 | fewyn | i wonder if i can solo them |
| 16:39.29 | fewyn | i'm a "fresh" hunter |
| 16:39.40 | Kowh | Likely |
| 16:39.47 | Ressy | Usually, if you announce in /1 that you'll be summoning them, you'll get people showing up. |
| 16:39.59 | Ressy | I got a small group together. And had about 10 extras show up |
| 16:40.41 | Kowh | Soloing can take a bit of time though, so just throw up a custom raid finder and it'll fill up quick. |
| 16:41.01 | fewyn | i do love the premade finder |
| 16:41.06 | fewyn | for doing the bonus objectives |
| 16:41.14 | Kowh | Also if you have bird rep, the hunter crystal is good |
| 16:41.25 | Kowh | 15m CD is a bit much, but I bookend my bonus objectives |
| 16:41.28 | fewyn | i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 16:41.38 | Kowh | There's a thingy that warps you to a rare |
| 16:41.56 | Kowh | Well, two. A base with a short range, and the upgraded one with infinite range. |
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| 16:42.41 | Kowh | http://www.wowhead.com/item=128502/hunters-seeking-crystal (Honored rep) http://www.wowhead.com/item=128503/master-hunters-seeking-crystal (revered) |
| 16:43.15 | fewyn | interesting |
| 16:43.36 | Kowh | Of course you need to do the crystals to get the rep in the first place, but once you bootstrap it's a lot nicer than trying to chance across them |
| 16:44.06 | Kowh | They screwed up the whole rares thing, unless you're near one when it spawns you're not going to get it. |
| 16:44.43 | Kowh | Especially the ones that have a zone-wide announcement |
| 16:44.53 | Kowh | It's pointless, always dies before you can cross the zone to get to it |
| 16:45.16 | nevcairiel | normal rares are usually up quite a bit, i can run through the zone and just find some |
| 16:45.17 | Amarande | that's a community issue more than anything else (although the WoW tag system means design is an issue too) |
| 16:45.20 | Semlar | well, the mobs that yell are invariably in a different phase than you are |
| 16:45.27 | Kowh | They fixed that |
| 16:45.38 | Kowh | Only yells in same phase now |
| 16:45.50 | nevcairiel | the 4 mount rares are very attractive so they get attacked quickly, especially since they spawn a marker on your map as well when you did that one quest |
| 16:45.50 | Dagmar | That's why they have a personal teleporter that takes you to the rare, straightaway |
| 16:46.07 | Kowh | Yeah, the hunter crystal |
| 16:46.08 | nevcairiel | will die down in a bit when everyone has the mounts and needs no rep anymore |
| 16:46.08 | Semlar | and every time i've seen a rare that shows up on the map it is swarming with people from other servers, so i think they're just server hopping to kill shit |
| 16:46.12 | Kowh | That's why it's so useful |
| 16:46.23 | nevcairiel | Semlar: someone may list it in the group finder |
| 16:46.30 | Semlar | i think it's just being automated |
| 16:46.34 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 16:46.37 | Semlar | there is a major issue with being able to hop around servers to kill something |
| 16:46.54 | Kowh | Means if you warp there, the rare is up. At least as of when you warp. |
| 16:47.08 | nevcairiel | someone has to list it to start this |
| 16:47.11 | Kowh | Only had a rare die while warping in once |
| 16:47.41 | Amarande | but yes, community issue to a VERY large degree |
| 16:47.42 | nevcairiel | and if you really care about these 4 mount rares, just go to their position and look for a group in the finder yourself, it usually takes only 5 minutes or so =p |
| 16:47.47 | Kowh | I'd say most of them would come from a listed group, but there are always people realm hopping to find raraes |
| 16:48.07 | Kowh | I do it when I need a specific rare, not that it works |
| 16:48.12 | Kowh | Always dead in the other realms too. :) |
| 16:48.22 | Semlar | nevcairiel: there will be an entire raid of people there when the thing has just spawned |
| 16:48.23 | Amarande | in FFXIV when the A and especially S rank hunts pop up, the vast majority of people first shout it out and wait and form a group first |
| 16:48.45 | nevcairiel | Semlar: thats why you wait at its spawn and just join one of these raids |
| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | its not hard, nor does it take long |
| 16:49.00 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 16:49.01 | Amarande | though FFXIV also has random spawn points for stuff, too |
| 16:49.03 | Semlar | i'm telling you, it's being automated by addons |
| 16:49.04 | Kowh | The only thing that works is to park yourself at the spawn point and use the addon that refreshes your search constantly. |
| 16:49.14 | Amarande | I'm guessing these bad boys all show up in the same spot every time |
| 16:49.29 | Semlar | all it would have to do is detect the rare, list a group and people can auto join based on tags |
| 16:49.34 | Kowh | As soon as it finds a premade, join it and get the kill. |
| 16:49.40 | nevcairiel | Semlar: some people use auto-join addons, but some other people troll them by creating fake groups =p |
| 16:50.01 | Amarande | yeah, perhaps addons aren't the best thing after all for WoW |
| 16:50.15 | Kowh | Too many assholes around right now for waiting on pulls |
| 16:50.17 | nevcairiel | but even without auto-join, you can get into those raids |
| 16:50.18 | Amarande | though until the base UI includes conveniences like auctioneer and moveanything, we need addons heh |
| 16:50.51 | Semlar | yeah, but i don't want to be forced to use LFG to server hop to kill something because it's virtually impossible to kill it when it's on your server |
| 16:51.00 | nevcairiel | anyway, i didnt have any problems killing all the normal rares for the kill-all-rares achievement, didnt have to realm hop or anything |
| 16:51.15 | Kowh | Depends on your server |
| 16:51.19 | Kowh | Low pops have a way easier time |
| 16:51.32 | Kowh | Also when you play. Off hours also make it easier |
| 16:52.40 | Kowh | I'm on a medium-low pop server, rares still die pretty quick if they're near any bonus area/fp |
| 16:53.21 | Kowh | Joined a friend on an actual low-pop server once, was so foreign. At least half the rares seemed to be up. |
| 16:53.40 | Kowh | (In off hours at least) |
| 17:03.56 | fewyn | fuck i forgot to complete the quest to get croman before i left the group :( |
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| 17:23.22 | Unkle | chkconfig Unkle on |
| 17:24.14 | Fisker | hey Unkle |
| 17:24.24 | Dagmar | Shouldn't that be `service unkle start`? |
| 17:24.25 | Fisker | Unkle | out-null |
| 17:25.04 | Unkle | Dagmar: I'm ensuring I load at system start. |
| 17:25.44 | Dagmar | Fair enough then. |
| 17:25.59 | Dagmar | sudo universe restart |
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| 17:26.38 | Unkle | Fiat Lux |
| 17:28.26 | Dagmar | Jeez. This recruiter just sent me a job listing for an infosec advisor for the state of TN. |
| 17:28.33 | Dagmar | No. |
| 17:28.59 | Dagmar | Everyone there who might still hold a grudge against me might be gone, but I'm not quite ready to let my grudge against _them_ go. |
| 17:29.10 | Dagmar | Fuck those people. |
| 17:29.47 | Dagmar | They tried to get my head on a pike in 96. |
| 17:30.10 | Dagmar | I had to get nasty to make them back off. |
| 17:30.52 | Dagmar | Protip: If you don't change the SNMP community strings on _anything_ you have, and your "firewall" is utterly optional, then fuck you, forever. |
| 17:31.19 | Dagmar | Money doesn't stack high enough to make me take on that mess, particularly not at 63k. |
| 17:31.55 | fewyn | https://github.com/sovereign/sovereign this is pretty cool sounding |
| 17:46.08 | zenzelezz | unless it comes with the voice of Sovereign from Mass Effect, it will be a disappointment |
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| 17:53.43 | Unkle | gfd I shouldn't have to use KILL if this service would respect it's .conf file |
| 17:59.42 | Gnarfoz | kill is perfectly normal to use |
| 18:16.56 | Unkle | Sure. It just pissed me off because it wouldn't pick up .conf file changes on restarts, but it did after I killed it. |
| 18:17.36 | Unkle | ls |
| 18:17.41 | Unkle | oops. |
| 18:25.39 | zenzelezz | something about/on Wowpedia is seriously messing up my Firefox... pushing it way up on memory usage for no discernible reason |
| 18:25.52 | zenzelezz | (and making it sluggish) |
| 18:31.27 | pompy | zenzelezz: any ads? |
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| 18:34.24 | Gnarfoz | adblock plus? I hear it wastes memory like a bad joke |
| 18:35.47 | fewyn | use ublock |
| 18:36.16 | fewyn | https://github.com/chrisaljoudi/uBlock |
| 18:36.53 | zenzelezz | pompy: most likely |
| 18:37.20 | zenzelezz | fewyn: neat, cheers |
| 18:37.41 | fewyn | ublock is a lot better memory consumption-wise than adblock (plus) |
| 18:37.47 | Semlar | that's not the real ublock |
| 18:38.11 | Semlar | https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock there can be only one! |
| 18:38.37 | fewyn | that's adblock origin |
| 18:38.41 | fewyn | i'm not sure of the difference |
| 18:38.42 | fewyn | tbqh |
| 18:38.48 | Semlar | the one i linked is the original ublock |
| 18:41.21 | kd3 | holy crap at the skies of azeroth 360 vid... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_J8k43gUhY |
| 18:42.33 | Kowh | If you have google cardboard, sort of neat to watch it that way. |
| 18:43.07 | Kowh | Or really any 3d goggles, but cardboard is 3d goggles made from $20 of cardboard + your phone. |
| 18:43.29 | Kowh | Quality sucks... But it's $20. |
| 18:43.30 | Kesava | 20$ of cardboard? hah |
| 18:43.45 | fewyn | or you could build your own |
| 18:43.49 | Kowh | ^ |
| 18:43.50 | fewyn | for free |
| 18:43.59 | fewyn | just go to the post office and take some of the free boxes |
| 18:44.01 | Kowh | Ish, still need the lenses |
| 18:44.04 | fewyn | the plans are online |
| 18:44.07 | fewyn | oh yeha |
| 18:44.10 | fewyn | forgot about lenses |
| 18:44.14 | Kesava | oh, psh |
| 18:44.22 | Kowh | I just bought one, as I'm lazy. |
| 18:44.50 | Kowh | Fancy 2.0 model, includes a button on the box that taps the screen for you. :D |
| 18:44.52 | Cairenn | modern interpretation of the viewmaster |
| 18:44.58 | Kowh | Pretty much |
| 18:45.01 | fewyn | yep |
| 18:45.07 | fewyn | i want a hololens |
| 18:45.44 | Fisker | trips and hugs Cairenn |
| 18:45.51 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
| 18:46.52 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 18:48.03 | Unkle | mmmm... viewmaster |
| 18:48.56 | fewyn | i just noticed the heirloom neck has an on-use effect |
| 18:49.04 | fewyn | nice to notice when i hit 100 |
| 18:57.25 | karl_w_w | champ http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/rubbish-dumper-gets-rubbish-returned-to-his-front-yard/story-fnk0b1zt-1227439640001 |
| 19:02.41 | Unkle | Ok, off to see the specialist about getting my bionic hip. See you folks later. |
| 19:03.02 | Semlar | hipster |
| 19:04.44 | Simca | http://www.badum-tish.com/ |
| 19:09.59 | karl_w_w | come to think of it, I need an app for that |
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| 20:26.46 | wodim | hi |
| 20:26.51 | wodim | a mildly off-topic question |
| 20:26.59 | wodim | can I use spell ids in macros instead of spell names? |
| 20:28.30 | karl_w_w | no |
| 20:28.53 | karl_w_w | unless you use an addon that will allow it (I don't know if such a thing exists) |
| 20:34.56 | wodim | bad luck |
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| 20:52.00 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: He's just saving the last time you opened the cache, doesn't actually see how much is in it |
| 20:54.49 | Gnarfoz | I guess he just calculates how much accumulates, then? :p |
| 20:55.19 | nevcairiel | the fill rate is constant, so not like thats hard |
| 20:55.26 | nevcairiel | sb does that too for his broker addon |
| 20:55.35 | Gnarfoz | that's what I was implying, yeah |
| 20:56.07 | p3lim | Reason I'm asking is because I cannot for the life of me see how the landing page displays the amount |
| 20:56.21 | nevcairiel | are you sure masterplan doesnt put it there |
| 20:57.58 | p3lim | Oh crap |
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| 23:38.59 | foxlit | so having a bad network connections makes the shipyard table uninteractable. |
| 23:43.35 | Semlar | things like the sonic amplification buff add less chance than a real counter would, right? |
| 23:44.27 | foxlit | 1:3:10. |
| 23:44.35 | foxlit | except they buffed pandas, so it's now 1:2:3:10 |
| 23:48.46 | Semlar | so a regular counter is 10? |
| 23:48.55 | foxlit | type counters are 10. |
| 23:49.12 | foxlit | equipment counters are 3. |
| 23:49.13 | Semlar | the boat type |
| 23:49.16 | Semlar | i see |
| 23:49.20 | foxlit | everything else is 1, except pandas, who are 2. |
| 23:49.48 | Semlar | and it takes like 3 passives to counter expert captain? |
| 23:50.10 | foxlit | it takes 3 points to counter expert captain. |
| 23:52.15 | foxlit | coincidentally, I think that if you manage to counter expert captain with 3x1 effects, you'll be rewarded with a 99% success chance. |
| 23:52.30 | foxlit | #math. |
| 23:56.08 | Semlar | math, not even once |
| 23:56.47 | Semlar | i got a higher ilevel neck out of my cache but it has my 2 worst stats on it so it's a downgrade |
| 23:58.40 | mckenziemc | 0, foxlit |
