| 00:05.02 | Amarande | VIad: fighting like Ashran PvP would be more like 1v1 characters if you're lucky *ducks* |
| 00:05.09 | VIad | :p |
| 00:05.17 | VIad | last time I was there was a huge clash |
| 00:05.20 | VIad | servers lagged like heck |
| 00:05.27 | VIad | since you have events that spawn that promote conflict |
| 00:06.21 | Amarande | yeah, but basically nobody actually likes ashran |
| 00:06.37 | Amarande | they haven't really done this concept right since wintergrasp :p |
| 00:07.05 | Amarande | well, I guess Tol Barad brought a lot of fun and lively action, but for the fact that it was basically impossible for the defenders to lose heh |
| 00:07.14 | Amarande | not sure what the MoP equivalent was offhand |
| 00:08.46 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.47 | Amarande | Semlar, you have a mushroom habit :| |
| 00:13.26 | Gnarfoz | Semlar: do you have a macro or something for your IRC client, or do you consciously always put a space in front of your links? :D |
| 00:13.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.00 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure if that's a yes, no, or something else :P |
| 00:14.01 | VIad | tbh I want a plugin for my pidgin |
| 00:14.04 | VIad | to prefix all with space |
| 00:14.27 | VIad | kind of not interested that people I dont know 5 years from now can read my chats |
| 00:14.30 | Gnarfoz | VIad: just chat in a different channel ;p |
| 00:14.36 | VIad | like I am speaking to you here, not the world |
| 00:15.08 | VIad | like if I say I hate jews |
| 00:15.20 | VIad | regardless if I mean it or not, 10 years from now, out of context |
| 00:15.32 | VIad | gonna ruin my presidental election :P |
| 00:15.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm waiting for a 2025 newspaper exposing you for the racist you are! |
| 00:16.22 | VIad | yes |
| 00:17.21 | Gnarfoz | time for Humans e04 |
| 00:18.12 | Semlar | it looks like the taxi jumps off the current track onto the next one like 5 nodes before it would normally land at a given hub |
| 00:18.42 | Semlar | so these nodes at the end are where it circles down to land |
| 00:19.01 | Semlar | and it completely skips them |
| 00:19.39 | Semlar | but i'm not sure where it splices into the next set of nodes |
| 00:22.44 | VIad | I dont know if its indicated in the dbc at all |
| 00:22.50 | VIad | take my ironforge example |
| 00:22.51 | Semlar | it's not |
| 00:23.06 | Semlar | unless there's some other taxi dbc i haven't found |
| 00:23.49 | Semlar | there's 3 main taxi dbc files plus the one for the taxi map size |
| 00:27.33 | VIad | maybe its a formula |
| 00:27.45 | VIad | like to strip away uneccesary pathing |
| 00:27.52 | VIad | like if you have a small loop around a node |
| 00:27.57 | VIad | skip it and just fly on if its not the final node |
| 00:30.16 | Dagmar | You're almost certainy correct, since that would be both simple to code and easy to fine tune by adding or removing pathing nodes |
| 00:30.50 | Dagmar | I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see that as one approaches a landing point, nodes become more frequent |
| 00:31.09 | Dagmar | It would also reduce rubberbanding bizarreness to people nearby watching someone come in |
| 00:45.22 | fewyn | of course the one item i get from high maul is actually a downgrade for my new hunter after doing a little bit of tanaan |
| 00:49.41 | Dagmar | aestetix: Just a _little_ spin doctoring going on there. |
| 00:49.42 | Dagmar | @#$#@ |
| 00:50.40 | Semlar | tries to calm dagmar down |
| 00:55.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.25 | VIad | Semlar: :D |
| 00:55.52 | VIad | this is after you used catmull splines? |
| 00:55.56 | VIad | because it doesnt seem so |
| 00:56.11 | Semlar | these are literally the points in the database |
| 00:56.15 | VIad | yes |
| 00:56.25 | VIad | you need to catmull rom spline the path nodes |
| 00:56.31 | VIad | to create the smooth curves that the game uses |
| 00:56.53 | Semlar | what does that have to do with this |
| 00:57.08 | VIad | because I see the nodes arent quite where you fly |
| 00:57.19 | Semlar | right, because this is a connecting hub |
| 00:57.25 | Semlar | and it's skipping all of the landing and starting nodes |
| 00:57.35 | Semlar | otherwise it flies straight through each point |
| 00:57.51 | VIad | yes, and in addition to skipping some nodes, youd also have to do the catmull operation on the nodes to create the exact pathing |
| 01:00.20 | Semlar | it looks like it drops the last 4 of the previous and first 4 nodes of the next route |
| 01:00.44 | Semlar | i'm not sure if that's always the case |
| 01:09.21 | Semlar | it looks like the shortest paths only have 6 nodes in them though |
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| 01:20.29 | VIad | oh btw |
| 01:20.36 | VIad | Semlar: if I find it I can show you |
| 01:20.52 | VIad | have an addon from long ago, someone else made it when he was analyzing the flight stuff and dbc files |
| 01:21.06 | VIad | he had a lot of math that you might be interested to see |
| 01:25.15 | Semlar | i do like math |
| 01:26.07 | mckenziemc | integrates Semlar from 0 to infinity |
| 01:26.59 | Semlar | and beyond! |
| 01:27.04 | VIad | btw |
| 01:27.04 | VIad | http://hawkesy.blogspot.no/2010/05/catmull-rom-spline-curve-implementation.html |
| 01:27.05 | VIad | :D |
| 01:27.19 | Semlar | how do you know this is what they're using |
| 01:32.48 | mckenziemc | there's always statistics :D |
| 01:34.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.34 | VIad | Semlar: I remember the guy that researched this many years ago said it and showed me too |
| 01:56.57 | Semlar | did he leave instructions |
| 01:57.25 | VIad | I need to find his addon code, contains all his work basically. |
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| 04:12.40 | Torhal | Statistically, mckenziemc is not Semlar. |
| 04:37.18 | Kraps | hmm, theres no way to see how long a game in hots took? |
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| 11:02.14 | zenzelezz | trying out the color schemes that come with editors sometimes makes me wonder how other people's eyes work |
| 11:02.20 | zenzelezz | bah, wrong window again |
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| 11:42.18 | nebula169 | it's true, though |
| 12:03.40 | VIad | Semlar: there are 5 flight paths that use faction #5 in the TaxiNode -_- |
| 12:03.53 | VIad | wait do dat? |
| 12:04.03 | Semlar | they're flags |
| 12:04.11 | VIad | bit flags? |
| 12:04.14 | VIad | not just integers? |
| 12:04.19 | Semlar | yes |
| 12:04.29 | Semlar | 1 is alliance 2 is horde |
| 12:04.36 | VIad | 0 is quests and such |
| 12:04.37 | VIad | 3 is neutrals |
| 12:04.45 | VIad | 3 (i.e. both A and H) |
| 12:04.48 | Semlar | 3 is neutral because 1 is alliance and 2 is horde |
| 12:04.49 | VIad | ok I see |
| 12:07.50 | VIad | these are the used flags for faction: 0, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10 |
| 12:08.08 | VIad | anything above 3 is basically very limited, like to 5 nodes max :p |
| 12:09.19 | VIad | like what IS 5? |
| 12:09.33 | Semlar | something alliance |
| 12:09.37 | VIad | yeah |
| 12:09.55 | VIad | weird classification |
| 12:10.00 | VIad | why not just1 :p |
| 12:10.08 | Semlar | because it's not faction, it's flags |
| 12:10.13 | VIad | I know |
| 12:10.17 | VIad | but what is the "other" |
| 12:19.51 | VIad | at least seems blizz shortened the amount of flight jumps by a lot |
| 12:20.03 | VIad | I remember like 6 jumps when going from stormwind to eastern plaguelands before |
| 12:20.11 | VIad | now just 1 jump (3 nodes) |
| 12:21.14 | VIad | there we go, survich to the chappel (602 -> 67) |
| 12:21.24 | VIad | 3 jumps |
| 12:25.55 | VIad | Semlar: have you figured out what logic the game uses to pick what the path is? |
| 12:26.00 | VIad | is it always distance+ |
| 12:26.39 | VIad | like if you, for fun, plot in cheapest flight then it used the 0 cost one (goldshire to stormwind) before continuing because it found it saves some copper :P |
| 12:26.40 | Semlar | probably shortest distance |
| 12:26.58 | VIad | yeah. just hope there is no "shortest jump" algo kicking in sometimes |
| 12:27.12 | VIad | also a fun path is the one to silvermoon because teleporting, or exodar |
| 12:27.29 | VIad | the FP actually flies through and loads, ought to have a look at that regarding calculating times and such :p |
| 12:27.39 | Semlar | i don't know, i'm not about to generate a database of times from one point to every other point on the continent |
| 12:27.40 | VIad | map change should be handled and not just calculated |
| 12:27.49 | VIad | its gonna be huge |
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| 12:41.00 | VIad | listening to some monstercat |
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| 12:51.19 | karl_w_w | poor you VIad |
| 12:51.26 | VIad | :p |
| 12:51.31 | VIad | some is neat |
| 12:51.43 | karl_w_w | I've heard so much of it and this is the only good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_QrKYAv1NE |
| 12:51.50 | VIad | thanks |
| 12:52.14 | VIad | I am listening to a 1h30m album mix |
| 13:03.06 | VIad | Semlar: can you test your math against mine to check a flight path node list? |
| 13:03.18 | VIad | if you try to fly from 602 to 67 (taxinode) |
| 13:03.35 | VIad | I am getting like 9 jumps :p |
| 13:03.45 | VIad | this is if I calculate distance wise |
| 13:04.44 | VIad | oh this is alliance flying ofc |
| 13:20.20 | VIad | 12 minutes flight from the bottom to the top of eastern kingdoms for alliance |
| 13:20.24 | VIad | wonder if its accurate :p |
| 13:20.41 | VIad | need to trim the "slack" between nodes though, connections, like Semlar showed yesterday, are still there |
| 13:26.29 | zenzelezz | where is "top" and "bottom"? |
| 13:27.13 | VIad | bottom is booty bay |
| 13:27.16 | VIad | and top is lights hope chappel |
| 13:27.45 | VIad | I am sure there is some sort of mechanism to avoid too many nodes and take longer one but less jumps, maybe artificial flight speed boost (like in wod) |
| 13:27.50 | VIad | since Semlar said speed valies in wod |
| 13:27.52 | VIad | varies* |
| 13:31.54 | Semlar | the speed changing is less of an issue than the distance changing based on how much it cuts off of connecting routes |
| 13:33.07 | nevcairiel | does anyone have/know a simple addon that shows me my current ground speed? (ie. what i'm actually moving at right now, not what my character sheet says) |
| 13:33.43 | Semlar | you can just make a fontstring that updates with GetUnitSpeed('player') |
| 13:34.03 | Semlar | it gives you your yards per second |
| 13:34.23 | nevcairiel | but is that the actual speed over ground, or just what my mount m oves at |
| 13:34.31 | nevcairiel | ie. if i fly at an angle, i want it to show less |
| 13:34.36 | VIad | here nevcairiel UIParent:HookScript("OnUpdate",function()print(GetUnitSpeed"player")end) |
| 13:34.38 | VIad | ought to fix it :P |
| 13:34.41 | Semlar | you said ground speed |
| 13:34.46 | Semlar | how are you flying at an angle |
| 13:34.53 | nevcairiel | even planes have a ground speed |
| 13:34.57 | VIad | nevcairiel: you needs them maths! |
| 13:34.58 | nevcairiel | ie. how fast you move over the ground |
| 13:35.08 | nevcairiel | its not hard to calc using UnitPosition |
| 13:35.10 | Semlar | you'd have to factor in your pitch |
| 13:35.12 | nevcairiel | i was just trying to be lazy |
| 13:35.13 | VIad | think youd have to use coordinates yes |
| 13:36.05 | Semlar | you can use GetUnitPitch |
| 13:36.30 | nevcairiel | its f'ing easier to just calc the actual effective speed from coordinates and time =p |
| 13:36.36 | Semlar | using your coordinates is going to be a lot more annoying |
| 13:37.06 | nevcairiel | but coordinates give me the value i actually want, and not what the game thinks i should be moving at |
| 13:38.10 | Semlar | you're going to have to decide how far back you want to average it unless you intend to go with whatever your coordinates were 1 frame ago versus your current position |
| 13:38.34 | nevcairiel | thats easy enough to experiment with, but it should probably be a rather short window |
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| 13:47.59 | VIad | Semlar: http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436708874.png |
| 13:48.08 | VIad | that is just for eastern kingdoms (alliance) |
| 13:48.27 | VIad | top left is vashjir swimming points |
| 13:48.56 | VIad | just havent managed to feed the graphing software the x,y,z coordinates so rendered it based on connections |
| 13:49.00 | zenzelezz | I remember when you were lucky if there were two flight masters in one zone |
| 13:53.13 | nebula169 | then cata happened and every zone had 10 flight points |
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| 13:59.05 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't really mind too much about them adding so many, if it wasn't for the fact that you can hardly even see that there is a map underneath all the icons anymore |
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| 14:14.40 | VIad | Semlar: there are 55199 flightpaths you can take in the game |
| 14:14.57 | VIad | should be every thinkable combination for players |
| 14:20.17 | VIad | oh no that was total different type of jumps you can do :p sec |
| 14:23.19 | VIad | 11556 is more resonable yes - different departure and arrival combinations |
| 14:37.15 | VIad | ok narrowed it down to 9596 |
| 15:00.16 | Kraps | different type of jumps? |
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| 15:16.40 | VIad | Kraps:had some odd entries I had to iron out |
| 15:30.55 | Semlar | alright new plan |
| 15:31.16 | Semlar | toss everything and just record the flight in game |
| 15:41.37 | VIad | Semlar: you need to fly like over 800 paths to get all the proper timers :( |
| 15:41.42 | VIad | if yougonna go InFlight route |
| 15:41.48 | Semlar | not me |
| 15:42.37 | VIad | what is your battle plan? |
| 15:43.05 | Semlar | the database required for all of the flight data would be enormous, i think it would be better to just ship single hop info and have it correct itself |
| 15:44.14 | Semlar | worst case scenario you still have upper and lower bounds of what a flight length can be |
| 15:45.21 | Semlar | and once they've flown it once it can be fixed with their time |
| 15:54.17 | VIad | imagine how easy it probably is for blizzard to have api to tell you time to reach your destination |
| 15:54.27 | VIad | and all these time addons for taxi would be in the trash :p |
| 15:55.52 | VIad | variable flight speed does make things complicated |
| 15:56.00 | VIad | rather just have it fixed from start like before |
| 15:56.14 | VIad | before it was 30, now blizz upped it to 50 in draenor at least, nice. but it varies and it is a bit lame :< |
| 15:58.11 | VIad | seems only draenor is ~50 |
| 15:58.18 | VIad | took a flight from dalaran and its 30 |
| 15:58.42 | VIad | also I just took a path that did the swirly thing around the taxi transition -_- |
| 15:58.46 | VIad | went like a small 8 loop |
| 15:58.56 | VIad | kind of weird, yet maybe not, it is old content (northrend) |
| 15:59.19 | VIad | kind of lame when these skips are sometimes happening and sometimes now :p |
| 16:03.49 | VIad | atm using fallback speed data unless I know better, 50 for draenor and 30 for everything else |
| 16:04.02 | VIad | got any more special speeds for me Semlar? |
| 16:04.16 | VIad | mop/cata I guess |
| 16:04.33 | Semlar | draenor is presumably the only place they use faster flights |
| 16:04.39 | VIad | seems so |
| 16:05.29 | VIad | hope blizz one day makes a fully voiced leveling experience |
| 16:05.39 | VIad | I miss that a lot. I really liked that about SWTOR |
| 16:06.26 | Semlar | someone made something that hooked into the game and used text to speech to read everything |
| 16:06.43 | VIad | banned? |
| 16:07.03 | VIad | probably hooked the lua engine from outside and opened a path |
| 16:07.10 | Semlar | no |
| 16:07.24 | VIad | issue is they ban that usually since people cheat and unlock api like, why have combat lockdown? or secure frames+ :D |
| 16:07.45 | Semlar | but operating under the assumption that any live communication between the game and an outside program is illegal, one would assume you shouldn't do it |
| 16:08.12 | Semlar | i don't think it matters what you do with it |
| 16:09.45 | VIad | you can be more safe |
| 16:09.55 | VIad | like let's say back in the day the help addon used networking right |
| 16:09.55 | VIad | so |
| 16:10.06 | VIad | you could setup an addon to "search" for help articles |
| 16:10.16 | VIad | and have a program outside winpcap that shit and there you go |
| 16:10.24 | VIad | one way communication to the outside world |
| 16:10.35 | VIad | would be very unintrusive |
| 16:10.46 | Semlar | okay, i'm not talking about getting detected |
| 16:11.09 | Semlar | i'm talking about live communication with an external program being against the ToS |
| 16:11.11 | VIad | just the principle I know |
| 16:11.27 | VIad | but is it communication if its one way? |
| 16:11.32 | Semlar | yes? |
| 16:12.00 | VIad | like its not a conversation if only one speaks :p |
| 16:13.28 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436717605.png |
| 16:13.37 | VIad | check out this baby :D got it yesterday before I went to bed |
| 16:13.52 | VIad | oh vsync issues gotta fix it |
| 16:13.57 | VIad | pidgin plugin reset after format :p |
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| 16:22.22 | VIad | Semlar: how far in HC have you gotten? |
| 16:22.26 | VIad | I am just past Gorefiend with pug |
| 16:26.34 | Semlar | we've killed fel lord zakuun and socrethar and we'll probably kill iskar tonight |
| 16:29.01 | VIad | can I join you? |
| 16:29.07 | VIad | pugging is hard |
| 16:30.08 | Semlar | not unless you moved to america |
| 16:31.48 | VIad | you have a patriotic policy? like no immigrants :p |
| 16:31.55 | VIad | [ ]must be american citizen |
| 16:32.17 | VIad | that or you mean the american servers, in that case fair point |
| 16:33.46 | Semlar | well, i guess you could raid at like 4am |
| 16:34.33 | VIad | perfect!" |
| 16:34.47 | VIad | 4am to 7am |
| 16:34.51 | VIad | hope 3 hours is enough |
| 16:35.11 | VIad | I can go to bed like 2000 and wake up easy to raid :D |
| 16:40.03 | VIad | Semlar: why does the blizzard combat text thingy NOT fire the events unless you enable it in the interface options first? |
| 16:40.18 | VIad | and it doesnt stop firing if you turn it off either, just need to enable it in session, at least once |
| 16:42.55 | nevcairiel | why would it fire if its turned off |
| 16:49.48 | VIad | NO CLUE |
| 16:49.51 | VIad | no wait |
| 16:49.54 | VIad | it's an event |
| 16:49.59 | VIad | just never heard of an event not firing at all |
| 16:50.05 | VIad | unless you turn on some setting |
| 16:50.09 | Kraps | whats these guys names http://i.gyazo.com/0a2b3afe37f6d59019d9d147b71de7f9.png |
| 16:50.13 | VIad | you can RegisterEvent all you want, wont fire |
| 16:50.28 | VIad | Commentator 1 and Commentator 2 |
| 16:51.37 | Kraps | oh ok |
| 16:52.44 | VIad | sorry Kraps |
| 16:53.10 | VIad | nevcairiel: it's COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 16:53.11 | fewyn | the mechashredder is super useful in tanaan |
| 16:53.31 | nevcairiel | there are other events that trigger only when a cvar is set |
| 16:53.33 | nevcairiel | for performance reasons |
| 16:53.47 | VIad | but if I turn the options off |
| 16:53.49 | VIad | the event keeps firing |
| 16:53.55 | VIad | some sort of LOD |
| 16:54.02 | karl_w_w | this is pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH4gMKO0raA |
| 16:55.53 | VIad | I believe it might be CombatTextSetActiveUnit |
| 17:03.13 | VIad | doing argent dailies, helped a guy with his mounted combat by juist killing them for him. he just ran away asap he was done. didnt even help me |
| 17:11.30 | VIad | :( |
| 17:38.23 | Dagmar | Heh. I've found that it's easier to just kill everyone |
| 17:39.07 | Dagmar | At 100 if being dismounted doesn't reset it, the instance is easier to shmobliterate on foot. |
| 17:40.23 | Dagmar | I did the dailies enough to reach exalted with everyone when they were current. I didn't even know what I was pushing the last time I was there, but I still won for giggles |
| 17:42.18 | Dagmar | If someone else is doing them at the same time, I just kill their guys too |
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| 17:46.06 | VIad | Dagmar: the dailies will despawn if you hop off right? |
| 17:46.13 | VIad | thats how I remember it always so havent tried in wod :p |
| 17:46.22 | Dagmar | Yeah, unfortunately |
| 17:46.40 | VIad | :( |
| 17:46.43 | Dagmar | After you've done them enough times there's literally no way to fail |
| 17:46.50 | VIad | I dont even shield |
| 17:47.40 | VIad | I just ranged throw, charge and melee, then charge and melee and dead |
| 17:48.14 | Dagmar | That's pretty much the formula |
| 17:48.30 | Dagmar | it was just luck I figured out sometimes the instance doesn't reset if you're dismounted during the first part |
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| 18:17.03 | VIad | wonder how this renders on a phone http://activetheory.net/ |
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| 18:18.54 | Dagmar | It uses a fallback layout that does not have HTML 5 video apparently |
| 18:21.30 | VIad | I think its webgl no video |
| 18:21.33 | VIad | canvas and javascript |
| 18:21.44 | Dagmar | Probably so. |
| 18:22.02 | Dagmar | I find it odd that once you request the desktop site it carps about your screen resolution |
| 18:22.17 | Dagmar | Maybe they're checking for landscape orientation? (looks) |
| 18:23.14 | Dagmar | Lol nope. It says point blank tot rotate your device back to portrait |
| 18:23.22 | Dagmar | I'll have to pillage this site later |
| 18:25.56 | fewyn | bonus objectives are repeatable in tanaan aren't they? |
| 18:27.52 | Simca | you can do them each day |
| 18:28.25 | Simca | one of them is repeatable in the same day because there is a weekly bonus objective that is randomly on one of them |
| 18:29.54 | fewyn | ah |
| 18:29.55 | fewyn | ok |
| 18:29.58 | fewyn | that makes sense then |
| 18:30.19 | fewyn | thanks Simca |
| 18:30.26 | Simca | yep |
| 18:30.36 | fewyn | that would explain why i didn't get this one again like i did yesterday |
| 18:31.12 | Simca | the weekly one gives oil+apexis, that's how you can tell |
| 18:31.21 | fewyn | ah haaaa |
| 18:31.24 | fewyn | yeah i remember that one |
| 18:31.41 | fewyn | also hunters are op |
| 18:32.20 | fewyn | the mechashredder is too |
| 18:32.27 | fewyn | because i hate jumping "puzzles" |
| 18:37.15 | Simca | addon idea: "Realm Hopper" |
| 18:37.31 | Simca | use group finder to find out which daily trader is up |
| 18:37.57 | Simca | create a list of all realms with groups active for that daily trader, display list of realms to the user |
| 18:38.10 | Simca | allow user to pick a realm and 'hop' to it by joining that daily trader group |
| 18:38.59 | Simca | as they all have unlimited (well, capped at 40) group size and auto accept and are in draenor (so you will port to their realm's draenor) |
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| 18:40.09 | Simca | only problem is that when the addon gets too popular, the addon becomes useless |
| 18:40.49 | Simca | so you'd have to allow for creation of 'realm hop' groups and be in the user's face about creating them if the user is not doing anything |
| 18:54.17 | fewyn | realm hopping never works well for me because of cross realm and connected realms |
| 18:56.12 | jleclanche | foxlit: is it normal master plan (latest version) recommends Pallas as redundant? he has a trait that's almost better than garona's |
| 19:11.10 | nevcairiel | i think it only considers the missions on the MoI list |
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| 19:28.17 | foxlit | jleclanche: it accounts for apex predator correctly, I think. |
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| 19:28.55 | jleclanche | foxlit: is there a way to tell master plan to prioritize a follower somehow then? eg two followers being equivalent, that one would win out |
| 19:28.55 | foxlit | the trait is pretty meh; 3 points if it matches mission environment versus garona's 6 regardless. |
| 19:29.26 | jleclanche | (I'm also thinking of bodyguard followers which i regularly swap out, I'd like to keep specific ones around) |
| 19:30.51 | foxlit | I'm not sure what sort of prioritization you mean there. |
| 19:31.44 | VIad | Dagmar: paper.js http://paperjs.org/examples/nyan-rainbow/ :d |
| 19:32.31 | foxlit | for deactivating followers, it doesn't seem like the question makes sense. |
| 19:32.48 | foxlit | (you ultimately pick who you deactivate, just don't deactivate a bodyguard you want to keep around) |
| 19:33.18 | jleclanche | foxlit: yeah but I mean, if im going to keep a specific follower around, and it's redundant with another one, master plan wont tell me the *other one* is redundant |
| 19:33.38 | foxlit | it'll tell you they're both redundant. |
| 19:34.11 | jleclanche | oh? |
| 19:34.20 | foxlit | (usually, people are confused in the other direction -- "why is MP telling me that X is redundant when I clearly see it in that MoI-suggested group right there!") |
| 19:35.10 | jleclanche | interesting |
| 19:35.14 | foxlit | the intended guarantee is that "you may deactivate any one of these followers (for instance to make room for your fresh Inn recruit) without affecting the quality of groups suggested in the tab." |
| 19:35.22 | jleclanche | Neat |
| 19:35.31 | jleclanche | btw whats the new yellow border around the followers? |
| 19:35.34 | jleclanche | in MoI |
| 19:35.36 | foxlit | with emphasis on /one/, because the list will change after that. |
| 19:35.56 | foxlit | "unavoidable" |
| 19:36.16 | foxlit | (i.e. that follower won't be in the redundant list because it is "required" for this mission) |
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| 19:40.40 | Simca | <foxlit> the trait is pretty meh; 3 points if it matches mission environment versus garona's 6 regardless. |
| 19:40.54 | Simca | yeah it was nerfed from PTR, it was worth 5 points on PTR |
| 19:41.01 | jleclanche | oh that explains it |
| 19:44.52 | nevcairiel | how much is ariok? |
| 19:45.31 | foxlit | 6 |
| 19:45.42 | foxlit | I should probably just add those things to trait descriptions. |
| 19:46.14 | Simca | jleclanche: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/master-plan/tickets/581-support-new-patch-6-2-0-follower-traits/ |
| 19:48.29 | jleclanche | thx. |
| 20:13.02 | VIad | http://www.cheeseandburger.com/ |
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| 20:52.21 | Gnarfoz | tekkub: your framexml mirror is outdated :( |
| 20:59.28 | Semlar | marks gnarfoz as outdated |
| 20:59.56 | Gnarfoz | ticks the LOAD ANYWAY, CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED checkbox |
| 21:00.14 | VIad | Gnarfoz: just ExportInterfaceFiles code yourself? :D |
| 21:00.21 | VIad | since it works again \o/ |
| 21:00.26 | Gnarfoz | VIad: wrong answer |
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| 21:03.05 | VIad | ~whalenuke Gnarfoz |
| 21:03.05 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Gnarfoz with his mind powers. |
| 21:03.15 | Gnarfoz | ~whaleparry |
| 21:03.22 | Gnarfoz | (I guess that doesn't work against nukes) |
| 21:05.13 | VIad | isnt whale a name for fat people? |
| 21:05.17 | VIad | obese* |
| 21:05.22 | VIad | gargantuan** |
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| 21:11.29 | Arrowmaster | some asshat just glitched my hearthstone so i wouldnt have time to play any cards |
| 21:12.47 | Gnarfoz | was his last name Blizzard? |
| 21:13.24 | Arrowmaster | no, immediately after he ended his turn my timer started and ran out, i had about 3 seconds to do anything |
| 21:16.00 | Gnarfoz | and you think he somehow had access to Blizzard's servers to achieve this? |
| 21:17.36 | Arrowmaster | no he just did something to glitch it, he let the timer expire on the first turn and then it happened after my first turn |
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| 21:25.48 | VIad | karl_w_w: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m099dYl0Rhs |
| 21:48.04 | Amarande | VIad: by "name" you mean "insult" (or "epithet" which has pretty much acquired a pejorative character nowadays also) :P |
| 21:48.24 | VIad | hmm |
| 21:48.37 | VIad | whales are also used to describe those that play pay to win games and pay a lot of money |
| 21:48.51 | VIad | any F2P that has a store basically, and if you spend a lot of cash there you are also a whale |
| 21:50.30 | VIad | Semlar: the flight path map and the dbc, is there a way to easily get the ingame indexes for the nodes? |
| 21:50.45 | Semlar | no |
| 21:50.57 | Semlar | i don't even know if the indexes are the same between clients |
| 21:51.03 | VIad | ugh |
| 21:51.07 | VIad | that is a bit lame |
| 21:51.29 | VIad | would have been nice if each flight map and NumTaxiNodes had same indexes |
| 21:52.10 | Semlar | it only ever showed you flight nodes you had discovered until they added the ability to use connections you didn't know |
| 21:52.23 | VIad | yeah |
| 21:52.24 | Semlar | the indexes aren't unique to a node |
| 21:52.29 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436737935.png |
| 21:52.40 | VIad | let's see how accurate it is :p |
| 21:53.35 | VIad | 5 sec off |
| 21:53.40 | VIad | came 5 sec later |
| 21:53.42 | Semlar | single hops are basically just distance / 30 to 30.3 |
| 21:54.30 | VIad | 50 in draenor |
| 21:54.39 | Semlar | no, in draenor it's far more complicated |
| 21:54.57 | VIad | yeah. but so far its around 50 for me |
| 21:55.02 | VIad | on the various FPs I took to test |
| 21:59.02 | VIad | Semlar: why is taxi stuff so hard? |
| 21:59.37 | VIad | local name, cost, duration, listofNodesWeJumpIfAny... GetTaxiPathInfo(i) |
| 22:04.32 | Amarande | oh, and apparently hearthstone is considered pay to win now :| |
| 22:05.19 | g0urra | what the hell is up with google.. security risk stuff |
| 22:06.27 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436738781.png what does it mean :( |
| 22:06.33 | VIad | g0urra: whats up with google? |
| 22:06.59 | g0urra | "Connection is not private" ("Anslutningen är inte privat") in chrome |
| 22:07.21 | VIad | works fine for me |
| 22:07.41 | VIad | you are hacked! |
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| 22:08.46 | g0urra | "NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID" |
| 22:08.46 | g0urra | ._. |
| 22:08.51 | g0urra | oh wait nvm now I know |
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| 22:24.28 | Gnarfoz | fix your clock :D |
| 22:28.03 | kd3 | >.< two kazzak kills, two chipped soul prisms |
| 22:28.48 | nevcairiel | gratz, guildy is still looking for one =p |
| 22:48.46 | VIad | Semlar: great news. did a flight on some jumps that are NOT shortened by any shortcuts and time wise my math had the exact arrival time :P |
| 22:49.08 | VIad | dlaaran to ulduar basically |
| 22:49.34 | nevcairiel | isnt that a straight line without intermediates |
| 22:50.13 | VIad | not quite. two taxi nodes makes your path odd, like a small loop. usually blizz skips such magically. |
| 22:51.02 | nevcairiel | of course, because it usually tends to look stupid to fly down to the flight master and just continue |
| 22:51.07 | Simca | my friend gets his luls by joining Throne of KJ daily groups using LFG, pulling literally every demon in the throne, then AoEing them down. he tells me stories of how he gets kicked despite the groups getting 100% because "[he] won't STOP" |
| 22:51.07 | VIad | yeah |
| 22:51.09 | nevcairiel | it used to do that for every connected flight |
| 22:51.18 | nevcairiel | but they changed it to snap to the new path in the air already |
| 22:51.32 | VIad | jupp, it should. but perhaps many old paths not changed. |
| 22:51.56 | VIad | anyway the snap logic isnt in the dbc so kind of lame. atm I think Semlar found it to be like, skip 4 nodes when its a connecting flight |
| 22:52.09 | VIad | also ironforge has a major skip so basically if connecting dont even fly in the city |
| 22:52.27 | nevcairiel | Simca: its not like you can even pull that much without them leashing all the time, i tried :( |
| 22:52.28 | VIad | and if you fly to queldanas isle you teleport at some point I think so that is a major time saver too. |
| 22:52.37 | Simca | the demons don't leash |
| 22:52.39 | Simca | ever |
| 22:52.44 | nevcairiel | every mob leashes |
| 22:52.51 | nevcairiel | i've had demons leash all the time |
| 22:52.53 | Simca | these don't, not if they have diseases on them |
| 22:52.55 | nevcairiel | like i said, i tried |
| 22:53.24 | Simca | I watched him pull 25+ elites earlier, like 1/8th of the throne |
| 22:53.32 | Simca | not a single one turned around |
| 22:54.07 | nevcairiel | the area isnt that big, you can probably do 20 without exceeding the range |
| 22:54.45 | Simca | the orcs are actually dangerous so I don't think he bothers with them |
| 22:54.48 | nevcairiel | not like we ever have enough up to really do that |
| 22:55.03 | nevcairiel | and then you also end up with a load of the damn chargy demons |
| 22:55.08 | nevcairiel | those are annoying |
| 22:55.16 | Simca | yeah, have to put yourself against a wall |
| 22:56.45 | VIad | I just tank them against awall and wait for mage rune then use artillery |
| 22:57.13 | Simca | http://www.wowdb.com/npcs/18344-nexus-prince-shaffar MoP bonus reputations, I hate you |
| 22:57.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 23:04.30 | VIad | what the heck |
| 23:04.45 | VIad | thats not right |
| 23:07.21 | VIad | tips: just pull heroic shaffar and make a macro to target Ethereal Apprentice and only kill those |
| 23:07.29 | VIad | boss keeps spawning orbs that spawn Ethereal Apprentice that give you 25 rep per |
| 23:07.36 | VIad | takes like 2 hours to hit exalted |
| 23:07.43 | VIad | i.e. macro that shit up and spam that macro :p |
| 23:07.48 | nevcairiel | boring old reps |
| 23:07.52 | nevcairiel | i had those years ago |
| 23:07.59 | VIad | new character so new rep grind :( |
| 23:08.07 | VIad | had to do it to get my key for timewalking future on my new main |
| 23:08.11 | VIad | to unlock optional boss |
| 23:08.36 | nevcairiel | i only got that key shortly before 6.2, had the rep and everything, just never finished the chain, apparently |
| 23:08.52 | nevcairiel | turns out, i never got into mana tombs when signing up for random dungeons =p |
| 23:09.33 | VIad | :( |
| 23:09.40 | VIad | hmm |
| 23:09.44 | Dagmar | Is that the one with the tailoring pattern in it? |
| 23:09.46 | VIad | I wonder wai |
| 23:10.30 | nevcairiel | i got CoT twice, and only did the 5 for the quest since it was kinda boring |
| 23:10.31 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 23:10.33 | Semlar | Simca: i have demons reset while i'm fighting them at the throne |
| 23:10.54 | Semlar | i couldn't kill a rare because he just kept evading |
| 23:10.54 | nevcairiel | maybe it specifically needs semi-strong dots to keep them interested |
| 23:11.02 | Semlar | it's not even that |
| 23:11.06 | Semlar | i will be actively shooting something |
| 23:11.09 | Semlar | and it just resets |
| 23:11.15 | Simca | you're talking about the ones at the portal |
| 23:11.22 | Simca | they are leashed to the portal |
| 23:11.26 | Simca | they are different |
| 23:11.28 | Semlar | what portal |
| 23:11.45 | VIad | with medivh? |
| 23:11.48 | nevcairiel | the summoning gateway |
| 23:11.49 | Semlar | i'm talking about the elites for the dailies |
| 23:12.18 | Dagmar | The ones that come out of the event portal? |
| 23:12.21 | Simca | the only demons i've seen reset are the ones that spawn from the event portal |
| 23:12.26 | Simca | they evade bug like hell |
| 23:12.39 | Dagmar | Three at a time? Two doomlord looking guys and one larger bat-winged asshole? |
| 23:12.40 | Semlar | i'm not talking about those |
| 23:12.49 | Semlar | i'm talking about mobs that are always there |
| 23:12.54 | Semlar | the whole area is broken as hell |
| 23:12.55 | Simca | the orcs in Ma'gurak's camp also leash heavily, but those are orcs |
| 23:13.19 | Dagmar | Ah... The zilion and one named-for-no-particular-reason guys |
| 23:13.39 | nevcairiel | flavor is the reason |
| 23:13.46 | Dagmar | They're always focused on my monkey so they don't leash, but I've heard complaints |
| 23:14.13 | Dagmar | I kept expecting them to drop something special so I've killed more than a few of them |
| 23:15.09 | Semlar | as a hunter without a pet, i can't kite half the time because the mobs will reset while i'm actively shooting them |
| 23:15.28 | VIad | Semlar: Glyph of Misdirection |
| 23:15.30 | Dagmar | As a hunter without a pet you are _seriously_ missing out on the magic that is nine stacks of Fel Sludge. |
| 23:15.35 | Semlar | what am i going to misdirect |
| 23:15.43 | Dagmar | VIad: That's the one glyph he doesn't need |
| 23:15.47 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.53 | VIad | its fun when soloing stuff |
| 23:15.56 | Dagmar | He's one of those petless perverts |
| 23:15.59 | VIad | pet has 100% aggro regardless |
| 23:16.09 | nevcairiel | VIad: doesnt work if there is no pet =p |
| 23:16.13 | VIad | :D |
| 23:16.26 | Dagmar | Just envision it a moment, man... 45% bonus to all damage. |
| 23:16.28 | VIad | hunters without pets? what is this? |
| 23:16.31 | Dagmar | Lasts for an hour. |
| 23:16.36 | VIad | well pets are bugged |
| 23:16.40 | VIad | many bosses cant be reached |
| 23:16.41 | Dagmar | The only drawback is you never step in the green goo again. |
| 23:16.44 | VIad | pets bug out like shit |
| 23:16.46 | VIad | glhf deathwing |
| 23:16.49 | Semlar | the sludge buff doesn't affect your pet unless you put it in the water |
| 23:16.54 | VIad | and blizz think pets are ok |
| 23:17.00 | Semlar | so BM doesn't do half as much damage |
| 23:17.14 | Dagmar | Semlar: I do that as well. We both frolic in it for a bit before completing bonus areas at a ridiculous speed |
| 23:17.16 | nevcairiel | 9 is risky, run through one accidentally and keel over |
| 23:17.38 | Dagmar | I can be running up on a mob, fire two shots and Barrage and by the time I reach it I can loot it |
| 23:17.58 | Semlar | if you aren't playing with 9 stacks you aren't playing to win! |
| 23:18.03 | Dagmar | Semlar++ |
| 23:18.13 | nevcairiel | i'm playing to finish the damn targets |
| 23:18.15 | Dagmar | THe stuff exists almost exclusively around the Fel Forge |
| 23:18.19 | VIad | I run around at 9 stacks too |
| 23:18.22 | Dagmar | It's rather hard to overlook everywhere else |
| 23:21.46 | VIad | BM with Lone Wolf |
| 23:21.48 | VIad | :>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 23:22.19 | VIad | cant even beastial wrath |
| 23:23.58 | VIad | exotic munitions seems so subpar to lone wolf |
| 23:29.20 | nevcairiel | the alternative is focusing shot in some situations |
| 23:29.26 | nevcairiel | not exotic munitions |
| 23:29.43 | nevcairiel | or so the hunters in my guild tell me |
| 23:34.14 | VIad | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdAYj3j8Hss |
| 23:34.35 | VIad | karl_w_w: |
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| 23:40.03 | znf | http://lhartikk.github.io/ArnoldC/ |
| 23:40.04 | znf | kek |
| 23:42.54 | Semlar | you literally can't have lone wolf as BM |
| 23:44.16 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/BblJ3Ek.jpg |
| 23:44.21 | znf | like, bro |
| 23:44.25 | znf | your mixer has DIGITAL inputs |
| 23:44.30 | znf | your decks have DIGITAL OUTPUTS |
| 23:44.37 | znf | WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS. WRONG. WITH. YOU. |
| 23:45.21 | Semlar | maybe he doesn't want to use them |
| 23:45.24 | znf | EVEN MORE! YOU HAVE ETHERNET!!!!! |
| 23:45.33 | znf | AND IT'S CONNECTED BETWEEN THE MIXER AND THE DECKS |
| 23:45.36 | znf | WHAT. THE. FUCK. |
| 23:45.42 | Semlar | tries to calm znf down |
| 23:47.31 | znf | Yes, it's a fuckin' DJM-2000NXS |
| 23:47.34 | znf | that shit is expensive as fuck |
| 23:47.38 | znf | and awesome as hell! |
| 23:48.26 | znf | http://cdn.pioneerdj.com/~/media/pioneerdj/images/products/mixer/djm-2000nxs/black/djm-2000nexus-rear.jpg |
| 23:48.27 | znf | drools |
| 23:49.59 | Gnarfoz | znf: I bet he has those 10k$ cables with oxygen reduced copper and gold contacts that have also been blessed by an audio minister |
| 23:52.32 | znf | Damn. I want to play with a DJM-2000NXS :( |
| 23:52.59 | Simca | diamond studded cables |
| 23:53.00 | znf | I wonder what do the ethernet ports actually do (except sync) |
| 23:53.07 | znf | clearly they do beat-matching |
| 23:53.09 | znf | but... what else? :-S |
| 23:53.14 | znf | Can you share a track from one deck to another?! |
| 23:54.01 | znf | they also have wireless! |
| 23:54.04 | znf | oh come on! |
| 23:56.08 | znf | WTT Kidney for 4xCDJ-2000NXS + 1xDJM-2000NXS |
| 23:56.12 | znf | Barely used. |
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