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| 00:15.06 | Donidoni | How can I check if a whisper I sent was received successfully, or if it was sent to an offline player? |
| 00:19.37 | kd3 | if you don't get an error message immediately, it was sent successfully |
| 00:20.24 | kd3 | programmatically, uh... I'm not actually sure if SendChatMessage() returns anything. check that? |
| 00:23.24 | Donidoni | If nothing pops up on my chat windows, can I assume there was nothing returned? |
| 00:23.33 | Donidoni | Or can there be "hidden" error messages and such |
| 00:24.06 | kd3 | if you're trying to send a tell to someone offline, you will get an immediate error message in chat |
| 00:24.22 | Donidoni | Hmm I'm not getting such a message |
| 00:24.22 | kd3 | ./t somebodyOffline hey, are you on? |
| 00:24.34 | Donidoni | Yea I tried that |
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| 00:26.07 | kd3 | hm. well, I'm at work so I don't have the client installed here so I can actually check. maybe someone else who's around can chime in. sorry about that |
| 00:26.17 | kd3 | s/can actually/can't actually/ |
| 00:26.31 | Donidoni | Alright thanks |
| 00:26.40 | Donidoni | Do you know where I could find the latest list of APIs |
| 00:26.48 | Donidoni | Are the ones on wowprogramming.com the latest? |
| 00:26.54 | kd3 | wowpedia.org/API and wowprogramming.com |
| 00:27.06 | Donidoni | They both seem to be pretty old pages |
| 00:27.31 | kd3 | most of the api doesn't change that often - they add new stuff, like the garrison ui, but those things tend to be pretty self-contained |
| 00:27.37 | Donidoni | I found something called CHAT_MSG_BN_WHISPER_PLAYER_OFFLINE, but I'm not sure whether its deprecated, or how to use it |
| 00:28.00 | kd3 | that's for BattleTag/RealID messaging |
| 00:28.09 | kd3 | just character-to-character tells in wow won't use that |
| 00:28.26 | kd3 | s/just/simple/ |
| 00:28.37 | Donidoni | I see |
| 00:29.51 | kd3 | let's back up a step, what are you trying to do precisely? |
| 00:32.10 | Donidoni | One sec, I discovered the exact addon I'm modifying is hiding the error message |
| 00:32.18 | Donidoni | Trying to figure out where it's doing it |
| 00:32.19 | kd3 | ah, that'll do it |
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| 00:39.42 | Donidoni | Can't figure out where that's getting intercepted... Regardless of whether the error message is showing up on my chat windows or not, is there a way to catch it happening? |
| 00:40.07 | Donidoni | What I'm trying to do is send a whisper to a list of people, and if the person is not online I want to add that person back on the list |
| 00:44.13 | kd3 | with zero mods enabled (so nothing's hiding error messages), run the command /etrace, then /etrace start, then send a tell to a user you know is offline |
| 00:44.43 | kd3 | one of the events that you get back (which the ui listens for to display the error message) is what you want to listen to |
| 00:45.35 | kd3 | you can handle events by following the instructions at http://wow.gamepedia.com/Handling_events |
| 00:49.39 | kd3 | the event you're looking for should be CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 00:49.59 | Donidoni | Yea it is CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 00:51.25 | kd3 | so what you'd want to do is hook CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, and compare arg1 with the 'user is offline' message in GlobalStrings |
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| 00:53.46 | Donidoni | Can multiple functions hook the same thing? |
| 00:53.55 | kd3 | yup |
| 00:54.00 | Donidoni | Ok |
| 00:54.16 | kd3 | lots of things can hook events - the event handler system will send the message to all registered listeners |
| 00:59.31 | Donidoni | I've got to go for now -- But thank you very much for your help. I should be able to figure it out once I'm a bit more clear-minded haha |
| 00:59.43 | kd3 | no worries, glad to be of some assistance |
| 01:00.01 | Donidoni | Okie dokie -- don't work too hard! :D Bye. |
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| 01:48.22 | kullervo | http://imgur.com/gallery/FlePsxD |
| 01:48.26 | kullervo | I'm not really sorry |
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| 03:20.20 | Fisker | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:20.30 | Cairenn | *hugs Fisker* |
| 03:28.09 | mckenziemc | fisks Fisker. |
| 03:32.09 | mckenziemc | darn |
| 03:32.21 | kullervo | huh, how's my other account claiming I can activate a wow token on it when my bnet total is zero wow tokens and that wow account has no gold |
| 03:32.23 | mckenziemc | firefox still crashes with too many tabs open D: |
| 03:32.50 | mckenziemc | at least i can have more open after disabling some plugins >.> |
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| 05:33.25 | Torhal | Cairenn isn't the IRC personality we deserve, but she's the IRC personality we need. |
| 05:33.33 | Torhal | goes to bed. |
| 05:33.37 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:33.56 | Torhal | Never you mind, Cairenn - just making snarky observations. |
| 05:33.57 | Cairenn | What did I do to piss you off? |
| 05:34.05 | Torhal | You're an absentee! |
| 05:34.09 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:34.32 | Torhal | Either that, or I'm catching this channel at the completely wrong times. |
| 05:34.54 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 05:34.56 | Torhal | skulks away into a corner. |
| 05:35.09 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 05:35.13 | Torhal | Facial transplant? |
| 05:35.13 | Fisker | Go to bed |
| 05:35.22 | Torhal | Oh, ok. |
| 05:35.36 | Semlar | skulks torhal |
| 05:36.09 | Torhal | sacrifices Semlar to Cairenn. Completely metaphorically, of course. With kittens as garnish. |
| 05:36.20 | Semlar | metaphorical kittens? |
| 05:37.44 | Torhal | No! |
| 05:37.54 | Torhal | They're ALWAYS garnish! |
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| 05:39.28 | Torhal | You see, Semlar... this is why I have EIGHTEEN cats. |
| 05:40.29 | bluspacecow | ⦠|
| 05:40.35 | bluspacecow | hidden in his hair |
| 05:40.49 | Semlar | like you do |
| 05:40.50 | bluspacecow | *ducks* |
| 05:40.55 | Semlar | quack |
| 05:44.32 | Torhal | Semlar: Don't let him bullshit you - bluspacecow isn't hidden in my hair. He's hidden in the attic above Lopepeppy's shower. |
| 05:44.47 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 05:44.57 | bluspacecow | but thats where you store all your cats |
| 05:45.15 | Torhal | NOwai. I have a 2.5k square foot house. |
| 05:45.24 | bluspacecow | in your hair ? |
| 05:45.30 | Torhal | 18 cats are only an issue when attempting to traverse stairs. |
| 05:46.39 | Torhal | gives bluspacecow several pair of bellbottoms so he can house several families of homeless folk in perpetuity. |
| 05:46.51 | bluspacecow | cool! |
| 05:47.09 | Torhal | Yay. Now, sleep. |
| 05:47.22 | bluspacecow | but i just got up |
| 05:47.33 | Torhal | defenestrates bluspacecow, then goes to pass out. |
| 05:48.03 | bluspacecow | for some reason I always thought that meant removing a forest from oneself |
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| 05:52.25 | Torhal | No, bluspacecow - defenestrate does not mean manscaping. |
| 05:52.36 | Neffi | manscapes Torhal |
| 05:52.36 | Torhal | Nor does it mean cleaning the floorboard of Semlar's car. |
| 05:52.42 | bluspacecow | thats shaving ones pubic hairs isnt it ? |
| 05:52.48 | Neffi | eww |
| 05:52.54 | Neffi | washes his hands |
| 05:52.57 | Torhal | Hi, Neffi. Stop being so alive. Thanks in advance! |
| 05:53.01 | Neffi | :( |
| 05:53.14 | bluspacecow | Torhal I thought it R sleepy tiems for you |
| 05:53.20 | Neffi | goto sleep; -- Torhal |
| 05:53.22 | bluspacecow | shall i sing you a lullabye ? |
| 05:53.23 | Torhal | I want to slap people who make forum posts that end with that phrase. |
| 05:53.57 | Torhal | "THANKS IN ADVANCE!" == "Since I just typed that, you are OBVIOUSLY going to IMMEDIATELY do what I asked." |
| 05:54.31 | Torhal | Yeah, I'm going to sleep. |
| 05:54.32 | nevcairiel | I shall remember that and use it more |
| 05:54.56 | bluspacecow | and i am going to procure foods |
| 05:54.58 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I've never seen you use it before, so hopefully "more" means "Once, just to piss Torhal off." |
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| 06:28.34 | mckenziemc | die Torhal |
| 06:28.38 | mckenziemc | (thanks, in advance) |
| 06:28.51 | Semlar | rude |
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| 07:19.48 | Kalroth | aww |
| 07:20.01 | rid_ | :( |
| 07:20.09 | rid_ | don't die Torhal |
| 07:20.11 | Kalroth | someone is speaking german to Torhal |
| 07:20.23 | rid_ | der Torhal |
| 07:20.34 | Kalroth | i'll dye Torhal if i want to |
| 07:20.44 | rid_ | all pink? |
| 07:21.05 | Kalroth | i prefer green |
| 07:21.07 | Kalroth | zug zug |
| 07:21.11 | rid_ | (: |
| 07:21.34 | rid_ | http://serverpeon.net/ \o/ |
| 07:22.15 | Kalroth | will wörk for wörk |
| 07:31.25 | Fisker | you hacked me rid_ |
| 07:32.03 | rid_ | I'd never hack you Fisker |
| 07:32.15 | rid_ | session hijacking at max |
| 07:32.19 | rid_ | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 07:35.45 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:36.02 | Shirik | The state-owned Korean Central News Agency reported Thursday that archaeologists in the country had found a âunicorn lairâ in Pyongyang. |
| 07:36.02 | Shirik | According to the tough-to-believe report, the Academy of Social Sciences âreconfirmed a lair of the unicorn rode by King Tongmyong, founder of the Koguryo Kingdom,â who ruled the area between 37 and 19 B.C. |
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| 07:53.56 | mitch0 | Shirik: don't follow every link on teh internets... |
| 08:05.30 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: which Korea, though |
| 08:07.14 | nevcairiel | Pyongyang is the capital of north korea, that might be a hint |
| 08:08.02 | Gnarfoz | might have been South Korean archaeologists on an expedition! |
| 08:13.03 | bluspacecow | really lost south korean archaeolgists |
| 08:14.45 | karl_w_w | Gnarfoz :'( |
| 08:25.01 | rid_ | :( |
| 08:26.41 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: on the other hand, first tests seem like it's a neat program. |
| 08:27.03 | Gnarfoz | I like the ambilight thing, with some tuning, I can see myself running it just for that |
| 08:27.16 | karl_w_w | I've found it's better for anime than live action |
| 08:27.20 | Gnarfoz | naturally |
| 08:27.35 | karl_w_w | it's hard to get the settings right to get rid of the artifacting with live action |
| 08:27.37 | Gnarfoz | live action at low fps has lots of motion blur |
| 08:28.12 | Gnarfoz | I only watched a concert recording, didn't see many (if any?) artifacts |
| 08:28.20 | Gnarfoz | not sure what they'd look like, honestly :D |
| 08:28.41 | Gnarfoz | however, I think I noticed some kind of stabilization effect |
| 08:29.29 | karl_w_w | if you happen to have the dark knight rises, have a look around the edge of people from 1 hour 3 minutes |
| 08:30.15 | karl_w_w | i suppose it would be most noticeable with any large object moving slowly across the screen, but that's where I saw it first |
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| 09:08.20 | nevcairiel | I find it absolutely horrible |
| 09:08.34 | nevcairiel | any kind of artifacting will totally throw me off |
| 09:09.28 | nevcairiel | not to mention that while it looks "smooth" at first, it also looks rather fake |
| 09:09.33 | nevcairiel | movements are artificial in so many places |
| 09:22.35 | Gnarfoz | well, like he said, it' |
| 09:22.37 | Gnarfoz | grr. |
| 09:22.44 | Gnarfoz | it's more useful for animation |
| 09:23.06 | Gnarfoz | (unless they add fake motion blur to that to cover up low fps... then it' |
| 09:23.08 | Gnarfoz | OMG |
| 09:23.18 | Gnarfoz | then it's probably as useless as for live action) |
| 09:24.11 | nevcairiel | if its "modern" CG animation, then they should just start rendering it at higher fps really |
| 09:24.22 | Gnarfoz | and then what |
| 09:24.28 | Gnarfoz | put it on... which medium to sell? :p |
| 09:24.32 | nevcairiel | then you dont need such hacks |
| 09:24.54 | Gnarfoz | look at the many HFR versions of Hobbit and Avatar I can buy :( |
| 09:25.07 | nevcairiel | avatar wasnt even hfr |
| 09:25.22 | Gnarfoz | it wasn't? didn't he say he wanted to do that? |
| 09:25.30 | nevcairiel | he is doing that for avatar 2 |
| 09:25.35 | Gnarfoz | oh, then I mixed that up |
| 09:25.53 | nevcairiel | and by then we will also have UHD Blu-ray with hfr support |
| 09:25.54 | Gnarfoz | still, need some medium that supports that, otherwise nothing is going to happen, probably |
| 09:26.07 | nevcairiel | 1080p at 120 fps :p |
| 09:26.19 | nevcairiel | or UHD at 60 |
| 09:27.00 | Gnarfoz | so we'll need to swap discs in the middle of movies again? :D |
| 09:27.07 | Gnarfoz | or are they finally adding more layers |
| 09:27.12 | nevcairiel | nah, also higher capacity |
| 09:27.24 | Gnarfoz | higher density |
| 09:27.26 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 09:27.29 | nevcairiel | and increasing framerate doesnt increase size linear |
| 09:27.47 | Gnarfoz | not with these kinds of compression algos, right |
| 09:27.48 | nevcairiel | since videos code the difference between frames, and higher framerate means less difference between individual frames |
| 09:28.23 | nevcairiel | anyway there are disc specs up to 100gb |
| 09:28.24 | Gnarfoz | but they have very conservative rules for i-frames, don't they |
| 09:28.41 | nevcairiel | not sure about the new standard, but normal blu-rays are ever 2 seconds i think |
| 09:28.48 | Gnarfoz | that's only double the size of what's available now... I find that to be a rather small upgrade compared to DVD -> BD |
| 09:29.00 | Gnarfoz | or 100 GB per layer |
| 09:29.10 | nevcairiel | disc size |
| 09:29.15 | Gnarfoz | meh-ish |
| 09:29.28 | nevcairiel | but thats 128mbit for typical movies, thats plenty for the new codecs, even at 4k |
| 09:29.38 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 09:29.48 | Gnarfoz | not to mention nothing can decode at that bitrate, I guess |
| 09:29.56 | nevcairiel | hardware decoder chips can |
| 09:29.58 | Gnarfoz | (at required rates to keep up with 60 fps) |
| 09:30.00 | nevcairiel | they dont care about bitrate much |
| 09:30.17 | Gnarfoz | sure, ASICs beat everything, but that means new devices again |
| 09:30.32 | Gnarfoz | not that I even own an old device, heh |
| 09:30.50 | Gnarfoz | i7 2600K probably counts as an old device! *cackles* |
| 09:30.59 | nevcairiel | for video decoding, definitely |
| 09:31.09 | nevcairiel | probably not even enough raw performance for HEVC 1080p60 |
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| 09:31.22 | Gnarfoz | not when I last tried, no |
| 09:31.25 | nevcairiel | at decent bitrates anyway |
| 09:31.32 | nevcairiel | software decoders do care greatly about bitrate |
| 09:31.32 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:31.37 | Gnarfoz | no kidding |
| 09:32.12 | nevcairiel | its kinda amusing, the parsing of the bitstream is often the most expensive task in decoding .. not the image reconstruction, just the parsing |
| 09:32.25 | nevcairiel | unless you go extremely low bitrate |
| 09:32.53 | Gnarfoz | is it? that's interesting |
| 09:33.05 | Gnarfoz | is that not a memory bandwidth problem, then? |
| 09:33.11 | nevcairiel | no |
| 09:34.27 | nevcairiel | the problem is that the variable-length CABAC coding in HEVC and H264 is somewhat complex, you can't really make use of any advanced instructions like SSE to make it go faster |
| 09:34.51 | nevcairiel | thats the price of not wasting a single bit. ;) |
| 09:41.24 | Gnarfoz | is a new CPU really going to make much of a difference, then? their IPC gains seem rather miniscule when excluding SSE/AVX/etc |
| 09:42.11 | nevcairiel | from sandy to skylake will still be 30-40% or so, just generational gains from what, 4 generations now? |
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| 11:36.21 | VIad | Semlar: I notice when my rune of power spawns I see a "<Rune of Power>" message in the default interface popup below my character (combat text) |
| 11:36.32 | VIad | do you know what I should look into to pick that up? |
| 11:42.25 | VIad | seems like there is an event that fires when the rune of power is cast (and is done from the fake 5 sec cooldown) |
| 11:42.32 | VIad | RUNE_POWER_UPDATE |
| 11:43.03 | VIad | noo silly me not that, probably dk runes... still trying to find the rune of power then |
| 11:44.54 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1436355874.png - the yellow text in the middle is blizzards floating combat frame |
| 11:46.28 | nevcairiel | combat text has its own kind of event |
| 11:50.08 | VIad | here we go |
| 11:50.18 | VIad | COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE_SPELL_ACTIVE arg1 = "Rune of Power" |
| 11:50.25 | VIad | and it triggers without being on top of it, just when it spawns! |
| 11:50.34 | VIad | finally a way to track when it is up |
| 11:57.43 | VIad | science for the archives = event: COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE | arg1: SPELL_ACTIVE | arg2: Rune of Power |
| 11:57.55 | VIad | detects when your rune is up so you can look for it :) |
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| 12:36.06 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, why is it always raining? |
| 12:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | I don't live in London, or a rain forest. I want dry toes. |
| 12:54.29 | Gnarfoz | Get shoes, I hear they help |
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| 12:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | EEEW. You usually have to wear socks with shoes |
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| 13:15.01 | Gnarfoz | you don't have to, but it's a wide-spread practice |
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| 14:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | A user just asked me for blinking red text on her site. I think I died a little. |
| 15:01.27 | Ackis | ask her if she'd prefer rainbow colour instead |
| 15:01.32 | Ackis | and animated gifs |
| 15:01.35 | Ackis | and background music |
| 15:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | Jesus, I might as well. It's like I don't prattle on about ADA compliance in EVERY single training and help session I do. |
| 15:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's not even "Oh, the 90's called and they want their crappy website back". It's not f'ing legal, idiots. |
| 15:08.31 | Semlar | flashes Lopeppeppy |
| 15:08.48 | fewyn | ask her if she wants some flame gifs lorp |
| 15:08.50 | fewyn | Lopeppeppy |
| 15:08.59 | fewyn | everyone wants flame gifs |
| 15:09.37 | Semlar | flamingtext.com |
| 15:09.39 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/Ta5OGDj.gif |
| 15:10.16 | Kraps | apparently tabards are actually 2 separate pieces |
| 15:10.29 | fewyn | modelwise? |
| 15:10.36 | Kraps | yeah |
| 15:10.42 | Semlar | well, the bottom disappears when you wear a dress or something |
| 15:10.53 | fewyn | i think it clips |
| 15:10.58 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 15:10.59 | fewyn | not that it disappears |
| 15:11.15 | Semlar | because the bottom flips around when you run |
| 15:11.21 | Semlar | wouldn't it poke out |
| 15:11.32 | fewyn | you know to be honest... i don't think i've worn a tabard ingame this expansion |
| 15:12.29 | Semlar | how am i supposed to know what's going on under that dress |
| 15:12.40 | fewyn | do you really want to know? ;) |
| 15:12.44 | Kraps | fewyn: the bottom part starts just below the belt area |
| 15:12.47 | Semlar | yes, i'm infernally curious |
| 15:13.05 | nevcairiel | i think more interestingly, some tabars have a hole in the middle if youre not wearing a belt |
| 15:13.10 | nevcairiel | tabards* |
| 15:13.32 | fewyn | that would make sense Kraps with what Semlar is saying then |
| 15:13.59 | Semlar | if the bottom is separated under the belt they can hide it |
| 15:14.27 | Semlar | i wonder if that means it attaches at different heights based on your belt |
| 15:14.51 | Kraps | also i think i figured out what the deal with pawn is, it only shows the tooltip if your class' main stat gets improved, nothing else |
| 15:15.06 | Kraps | thats pretty dumb |
| 15:15.14 | fewyn | pawn made me sad but there was a patch in the last couple days |
| 15:15.18 | fewyn | which made me less sad |
| 15:15.26 | fewyn | it now actually shows my upgrades again |
| 15:15.33 | Semlar | wait, it only shows a comparison if you're looking at an item that has more mainstat than what you're wearing? |
| 15:15.35 | fewyn | i only use it while leveling |
| 15:15.46 | Kraps | Semlar: as far as i can tell |
| 15:15.51 | fewyn | with the default setting |
| 15:15.54 | fewyn | i think it does |
| 15:16.00 | Semlar | can you just always show the difference? |
| 15:16.21 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/bQ5wnHT.png |
| 15:16.36 | Semlar | :O |
| 15:17.11 | fewyn | i turned that on and now it shows it all the time |
| 15:17.22 | Semlar | VIad: it's interesting that there's a scrolling combat text specifically for the rune since there's no combat log or spell cast event from what i can tell |
| 15:18.14 | Semlar | i thought pawn was broken the last time i used it because it never showed up on anything, maybe it was because it only shows up on upgrades by default |
| 15:18.24 | fewyn | yep |
| 15:18.37 | fewyn | as i said i only really use it while leveling |
| 15:18.43 | Kraps | fewyn: what do the numbers mean though, they are kind of out of context |
| 15:18.52 | fewyn | it's the items "score" |
| 15:18.56 | fewyn | based on your weight set |
| 15:19.01 | Semlar | you give a weight for each stat |
| 15:19.12 | Semlar | that stat is multiplied by the weight |
| 15:19.15 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/LsFBPoN.png |
| 15:19.28 | fewyn | so i'm on my hunter right now and that's his gloves |
| 15:19.34 | fewyn | higher number = better |
| 15:19.49 | Kraps | how do i know if the number is high enough to be an improvement if it didnt show the green text |
| 15:20.02 | fewyn | if it doesn't show green it's probably not an "upgrade" |
| 15:20.16 | Kraps | yeah |
| 15:20.26 | fewyn | i use quotes because it's very subjective some people don't agree with the preset weights |
| 15:20.30 | fewyn | so you can modify them |
| 15:20.33 | fewyn | or create your own |
| 15:20.35 | Semlar | hang on, is it really only if the main stat is higher, because i know specs can value secondary stats enough that a lower ilevel item could be better |
| 15:20.47 | fewyn | i don't think it's main stat only |
| 15:20.59 | fewyn | pawn was bugged post 6.2 tho and it wasn't showing anything |
| 15:21.05 | nevcairiel | my personal rule is that within 5 ilvls, secondary priority is important, and any higher ilvl d ifference, just pick ilvl |
| 15:21.27 | fewyn | yeah that's why i only use it while i level because at "Raiding" tiers it's really can get dicey |
| 15:21.32 | Semlar | i almost always blindly go with the higher item level |
| 15:21.43 | Semlar | unless it has a socket |
| 15:22.01 | fewyn | sockets now throw everyone for a loop |
| 15:22.07 | Semlar | or a set bonus |
| 15:22.10 | fewyn | depends on which other bonus stats an item might have |
| 15:22.10 | Kraps | Semlar: yes, i got an item with the same agi but higher armor and stam, and it did not indicate an upgrade |
| 15:22.26 | Semlar | it probably doesn't count those other stats |
| 15:22.30 | nevcairiel | on normal equipment, sockets are usually worth 7-8 ilvls, slightly more than warforged |
| 15:22.34 | Kraps | why |
| 15:22.37 | Kraps | thats dumb |
| 15:22.42 | nevcairiel | on weapons and trinkets, its a bit in the air |
| 15:22.50 | nevcairiel | also, socket value recently increased with epic gems |
| 15:22.53 | nevcairiel | should do the math again |
| 15:22.58 | Semlar | they don't directly improve your damage so they probably don't have a weight for them |
| 15:23.04 | Kraps | hmm |
| 15:23.22 | nevcairiel | how does that even happen, armor and sta is directly tied to the ilvl |
| 15:23.24 | Semlar | they should have a weight, but i don't know what it would be |
| 15:23.26 | nevcairiel | are you super low level or something? |
| 15:23.34 | Kraps | 40 |
| 15:23.38 | nevcairiel | that explains it |
| 15:23.46 | nevcairiel | old gear isnt itemized properly anyway |
| 15:24.02 | nevcairiel | you will replace stuff hourly, so stop worrying about micro-management and just go with highest ilvl :P |
| 15:24.06 | Semlar | actually i guess it could just value your mainstat higher since the other ones should scale |
| 15:24.09 | Kraps | how old is old :p |
| 15:24.19 | nevcairiel | Kraps: before pandaria probably |
| 15:24.26 | Kraps | oh huh |
| 15:24.29 | nevcairiel | maybe even in pandaria |
| 15:24.33 | nevcairiel | everything pre-squish |
| 15:24.54 | nevcairiel | but classic and BC are the worst |
| 15:25.17 | VIad | I know Semlar! |
| 15:25.36 | VIad | but now I made my weakauras group for mage tower runes |
| 15:25.57 | VIad | shows cooldown on it, shows nothing if its ready and not out, shows a gray icon with timer if it spawns, turns colored when I stand on top of it :D |
| 15:26.10 | Semlar | you could detect which one is yours but only after you run over it, so probably not super useful |
| 15:26.33 | VIad | its better to be alerted when it spawns too so I dont run over to other peoples |
| 15:26.34 | Kraps | nevcairiel: i'm not "worried", its just one of the reasons we play this game, to see numbers go up uP UP :D |
| 15:26.48 | Semlar | it should just not display other player's runes or color them differently or something |
| 15:27.05 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 15:27.17 | nevcairiel | when we're questing with 2-3 people its usually fine |
| 15:27.23 | nevcairiel | but if youre doing kazzak or so |
| 15:27.27 | nevcairiel | impossible to find yours |
| 15:27.57 | Semlar | especially when it doesn't trigger when you run over it |
| 15:28.08 | Semlar | i have had that happen a lot and i don't know what the deal is |
| 15:28.19 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:28.27 | Semlar | it doesn't always give me the buff the first time i run over it, i have to run out and back into it |
| 15:28.27 | VIad | you can't see other player runes "spawn" |
| 15:28.35 | VIad | the combat log blizzard uses only works on your own rune |
| 15:28.48 | nevcairiel | but you can see them in the 3d world :P |
| 15:28.52 | VIad | you can |
| 15:28.54 | Kraps | exodar and darnassus sell their own faction bags too? |
| 15:29.10 | VIad | and I have no clue why mage runes are visually different when its your own, but not the mage tower rune... |
| 15:29.19 | VIad | (like mage class rune :P) |
| 15:29.41 | VIad | tbh other runes should not be so visible or something |
| 15:30.27 | nevcairiel | because they dont care |
| 15:30.36 | nevcairiel | its not like there is any important content where this rune matters |
| 15:30.36 | VIad | :( but I pay them $$$ |
| 15:30.38 | nevcairiel | its a fun toy |
| 15:30.40 | nevcairiel | nothing else |
| 15:30.58 | nevcairiel | if it mattered, it would be much too OP a nyway |
| 15:31.34 | VIad | I pull like 50 mobs in tanaan and aoe them down, I time the rune spawn and wanna utilize it as a tank to just kill the mobs quicker without dying I guess :p |
| 15:31.59 | nevcairiel | thats not a group activity |
| 15:32.07 | nevcairiel | so no other players right there with oyu |
| 15:33.43 | fewyn | bleh someone let my soda go flat in the fridge :/ |
| 15:33.52 | fewyn | REMEMBER TO SEAL TIGHTLY PL |
| 15:33.52 | fewyn | S |
| 15:34.21 | fewyn | another reason i hate buying 2 litres instead of cans |
| 15:41.26 | Torhal | fewyn: Solution is to stop drinking soda. |
| 15:41.28 | Torhal | >.> |
| 15:45.00 | pompy | ^ |
| 15:52.14 | fewyn | but how will i stay awake Torhal? |
| 15:52.15 | fewyn | :( |
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| 15:52.40 | Torhal | Coffee. Tea. Will power. |
| 15:52.45 | fewyn | coffee is nasty |
| 15:52.47 | fewyn | tea is also |
| 15:52.53 | fewyn | i need the cafffffiene |
| 15:53.23 | fewyn | i forgot to bring money for the vending machine to training last night so i was almost falling asleep by the end of the class |
| 15:56.59 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/mashable/status/618807482576699393 |
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| 15:58.59 | pompy | "In a statement, the NYSE says: âWeâre currently experiencing a technical issue weâre working to resolve as quickly as possible.â " |
| 15:59.27 | fewyn | "technical" |
| 15:59.31 | fewyn | they dun got hacked |
| 15:59.35 | fewyn | all the money is gooooone |
| 15:59.50 | fewyn | this is an elaborate mr. robot promotion |
| 15:59.52 | pompy | http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2015/07/08/technical-glitch-disrupts-united-flights-nationwide/29854733/ jesus, again. |
| 16:01.08 | fewyn | hahaha i just got a ship called "Bonus Roll" and it rolled blue :D |
| 16:01.27 | kullervo | it's a crap ship though |
| 16:01.32 | fewyn | shut up :( |
| 16:01.59 | kullervo | I'll say your other ships are fine if you upvote this http://imgur.com/gallery/FlePsxD |
| 16:02.21 | fewyn | what the heck did i just watch |
| 16:03.04 | kullervo | mad photoshop skills and combined memes |
| 16:21.15 | Ackis | when you use someone else's code in your project (open source, or with permission), do you identify if you've changed anything? e.g. Code by bob, modified by ackis |
| 16:22.13 | kullervo | they're private projects, nobody's there to care about it |
| 16:24.06 | Semlar | Simca: i've decided the coordinates in taxinodes.db2 are actually used for the taxi map and there's a rounding error or something on my part trying to measure the map |
| 16:27.51 | Simca | hm |
| 16:28.02 | Simca | i did the conversion myself and I think your math was fine |
| 16:28.43 | Simca | are all of the coordinates off by a similar amount? |
| 16:30.57 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it drifts the farther the points are from the two i measured |
| 16:32.33 | Semlar | i wonder where the coordinates of the taxi map are that they use to return the values from the api function |
| 16:32.53 | Semlar | might be built into the C function |
| 16:35.55 | Semlar | i wish i could see what the function does |
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| 16:52.56 | fewyn | i'm sads, my sister got a long tattoo in kanji on her back... i was hoping it wasn't what she thought it was but it seems it probably is :( i wanted to make fun of her |
| 16:55.45 | Semlar | aw, you can still make fun of her |
| 16:56.01 | fewyn | that's my job title |
| 17:00.49 | fewyn | logitech is rebranding as "logi" NO PLS STAHP |
| 17:01.25 | Dagmar | It's not like she can really be _sure_ what it says |
| 17:01.38 | Dagmar | ...or even look directly at it. ;) |
| 17:01.46 | fewyn | she could just not get a trashy tattoo? |
| 17:01.57 | Dagmar | _Get creative_. What are brothers for, anyway? |
| 17:02.25 | fewyn | she could get something that isn't trashy japanese tattoo that she isn't even really sure is correct or can see? |
| 17:02.57 | Dagmar | It's not trashy until you see it on a porn star. |
| 17:03.12 | fewyn | yeah i wouldn't be surprised if porn stars have this same tat |
| 17:03.18 | Dagmar | ...and then you need to wiggle your eyebrows when you mention it. |
| 17:03.58 | VIad | Semlar: the COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE event does not fire unless you enable combat text in the UI (then you can disable it and it will keep firing...) wtf? |
| 17:04.35 | Semlar | interesting |
| 17:04.58 | VIad | I just logged on and saw it not trigger when my rune came up :p |
| 17:08.27 | Semlar | Simca: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FVFKUf7f here are the in-game coordinates along with the database coordinates for the horde flight points in draenor |
| 17:09.13 | VIad | Semlar: is that from the db2? |
| 17:09.53 | Semlar | and the game |
| 17:11.53 | VIad | maybe toggling enableCombatText "fixes" the issue |
| 17:11.54 | VIad | gonna check |
| 17:12.56 | VIad | SetCVar("enableCombatText", "1", "SHOW_COMBAT_TEXT_TEXT") |
| 17:13.02 | VIad | that is what the game runs when you toggle the cvar in the ui |
| 17:13.07 | VIad | I think the arg3 is some sort of event thing |
| 17:13.13 | VIad | game might do something with it internally |
| 17:13.35 | Semlar | SHOW_COMBAT_TEXT_TEXT |
| 17:14.23 | Semlar | well that's just redundant |
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| 17:25.31 | VIad | :D |
| 17:57.38 | karl_w_w | I've waited so long :D http://www.comedy.co.uk/podcasts/dotherightthing/series5_trailer/ |
| 17:59.46 | Kraps | how do you get to exodar again |
| 18:00.54 | karl_w_w | take a boat from that place where u can also get a boat to darnassus |
| 18:01.22 | karl_w_w | or get a mage |
| 18:03.41 | karl_w_w | well well well |
| 18:03.55 | karl_w_w | something bad just happened to the internet |
| 18:04.13 | karl_w_w | I'm getting cdn errors everywhere |
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| 18:06.49 | phelps | bad links between CentruyLink and Cogent, Verizon and Level3, XO and Sprint |
| 18:06.56 | phelps | (who is XO) |
| 18:07.10 | zenzelezz | I hate when some video on my Youtube favorites is change to "private", and I can't recall what the video was |
| 18:15.18 | Kraps | woops i ended up in northrend |
| 18:15.39 | Kraps | i only saw a darnassus dock in SW |
| 18:18.47 | Kraps | gotta go darn -> exo |
| 18:22.49 | kd3 | darn to exo is easy, there's a portal in the shrine |
| 18:22.54 | zenzelezz | cd |
| 18:22.57 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 18:23.23 | zenzelezz | maybe some day I'll disable "focus follows mouse" |
| 18:23.28 | kd3 | localhost:~ zenzelezz$ |
| 18:24.27 | Semlar | oh good they made the pandaren crew not pointless |
| 18:25.06 | Semlar | panda master race |
| 18:25.26 | zenzelezz | kd3: is that what your prompt looks like? I've always used "zenzelezz@stalin:~$" |
| 18:26.11 | kd3 | I'm on my work macbook air right now (hissss~) |
| 18:27.05 | zenzelezz | one of my first commands when I started the terminal after getting my work Macbook was "scp stalin:.bashrc ." (also .nanorc) |
| 18:29.18 | zenzelezz | yes, nano. I'm a man of simple pleasures |
| 18:29.43 | kd3 | heh, the first thing I did was install homebrew, then macvim >.< |
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| 19:08.00 | Kraps | what dou you do if theres insane lag that doesnt let you do anytging |
| 19:08.16 | kd3 | log off and play outside? |
| 19:08.50 | Kraps | thats awful |
| 19:09.05 | mckenziemc | i agree |
| 19:11.03 | fewyn | go complain on twitter? |
| 19:11.17 | fewyn | complaining on twitter is always helpful |
| 19:11.20 | fewyn | also stop downloading porn |
| 19:11.37 | zenzelezz | never |
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| 19:18.45 | karl_w_w | write to your local representative |
| 19:31.02 | bluspacecow | compain on twitter while streaming porn of your local representive |
| 19:31.20 | bluspacecow | â¦.. |
| 19:31.36 | bluspacecow | why did i bite both ends of the muesli bar at once ? |
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| 19:40.38 | p3lim | did itemlinks get changed in 6.2? |
| 19:41.07 | Semlar | yep |
| 19:41.38 | p3lim | what was the change? |
| 19:41.45 | bluspacecow | they got fiskerâd |
| 19:41.55 | Semlar | item:itemID:enchant:gemID1:gemID2:gemID3:gemID4:suffixID:uniqueID:level:specializationID:upgradeId:instanceDifficultyID:numBonusIDs:bonusID1:bonusID2:... |
| 19:42.03 | p3lim | wowhead needs to update then |
| 19:42.42 | Semlar | also after the bonusIDs there can be the level you obtained the item through timewalking, which locks its stats to that level |
| 19:43.33 | Semlar | the main change was adding the specialization id which shifted everything over |
| 19:46.09 | foxlit | the crystal pulses faintly, but fails to locate any nearby prey, Semlar. |
| 19:46.53 | Semlar | perhaps there was nothing left to kill |
| 19:47.07 | Semlar | have you considered what your constant murder spree has done to the population of rares |
| 19:47.22 | foxlit | have they considered that they need to stock up on apexis-containing chests? |
| 19:54.08 | Semlar | i may have failed 10th grade geometry but 2 points are enough to determine the scale factor between two congruent objects, right? |
| 19:54.32 | Semlar | i don't understand how this could possibly be off |
| 19:56.19 | foxlit | maybe they're not congruent. |
| 19:56.31 | Semlar | it would certainly appear that way |
| 19:56.52 | Simca | semlar: it depends on the point of origin of the scaling |
| 19:56.55 | Semlar | i'm wondering if i have too many decimal places from the game |
| 19:56.56 | Simca | in this case |
| 19:57.12 | Simca | try 0,0 as origin |
| 19:57.40 | Simca | and consider the drift is multiplicative. try also with it being additive |
| 19:57.57 | Semlar | the origin you say |
| 19:58.13 | Semlar | that might do it |
| 19:59.19 | Semlar | okay so rather than just measuring the distance between the two points and dividing them i need to shift it over |
| 20:02.23 | foxlit | as far as math problems go, Semlar |
| 20:02.35 | foxlit | this was "I have a triangle ABC, where AB = 5. Find BCA." |
| 20:05.52 | Simca | Semlar: the X coordinates are way, way, way off |
| 20:06.12 | Semlar | well the in-game coordinates from the bottom left of the taxi map |
| 20:06.45 | Simca | oh |
| 20:06.59 | Simca | wait, yeah, that's how I did it |
| 20:07.01 | Simca | they're still way off |
| 20:07.22 | Simca | =12242.34-((12242.34+10493.44)*TaxiX) |
| 20:07.43 | Simca | where 12242.34 is the left bound of draenor map and -10493.44 is right bound of draenor map |
| 20:08.36 | Semlar | flightX = (10118.3 - worldX) / 16396.0542139ish |
| 20:08.57 | Simca | wat |
| 20:09.14 | Simca | where are those numbers from |
| 20:09.25 | Semlar | they're the slightly off scaled numbers |
| 20:09.35 | Simca | but where did you get them |
| 20:09.41 | Simca | i just told you what mine are |
| 20:09.42 | Semlar | are you assuming the coordinates from draenor are the same as the taxi map |
| 20:09.53 | Semlar | 10118.3 is the left edge of the taxi map |
| 20:10.02 | Semlar | 16396 is the width of the taxi map in yards |
| 20:10.06 | Semlar | approximately |
| 20:10.08 | Simca | how can you tell? |
| 20:10.54 | Semlar | i measured the distance between the two points on the taxi map |
| 20:11.08 | Semlar | and then measured the distance in yards between them using their world coordinates |
| 20:11.12 | Simca | yeah that's awful |
| 20:11.18 | Semlar | got the scale between the maps |
| 20:11.18 | Simca | the data has to be stored in a dbc |
| 20:11.34 | Simca | you can't do those kind of calculations based on a map that tiny |
| 20:11.39 | Semlar | figured out the width of the taxi map in yards and used that to find the edges |
| 20:11.51 | Semlar | granted i clearly did it wrong |
| 20:12.56 | Simca | WorldMapContinent has 4 taxi fields |
| 20:13.02 | Semlar | what! |
| 20:13.05 | Simca | I assumed they were just to control where zeppelins should port |
| 20:13.11 | Simca | but maybe not |
| 20:14.13 | zenzelezz | they're Uber ones, not official |
| 20:14.29 | Simca | they say the axis should be - x: 11630 to -4771, y: 10120 to -6276 |
| 20:14.47 | Simca | those are fairly close to your numbers |
| 20:16.04 | Semlar | yeah that looks like the taxi map |
| 20:16.33 | Semlar | whew i was afraid i was going to have to do more math |
| 20:16.41 | Semlar | CRISIS AVERTED |
| 20:18.27 | Semlar | i had 10118.3 for the left of draenor, 11625.02 for the top, -4771.03 for the bottom |
| 20:18.29 | Semlar | so close |
| 20:18.46 | Simca | oh |
| 20:19.00 | Simca | my x and y fields must be inverted then |
| 20:19.13 | Semlar | well it decreases from left to right just to confuse you |
| 20:19.26 | Semlar | also yes |
| 20:19.34 | Semlar | you have x and y inverted |
| 20:20.15 | Simca | there is a field called continentOffset_x and continentOffset_y but they are 0 for Draenor |
| 20:20.23 | Semlar | i'm going to make it a point to leave explicit comments in this script |
| 20:20.38 | Simca | you may have to account for them for other continents |
| 20:22.34 | Semlar | the measurements for the rest of the continents were done very roughly by hand i think standing on the flight masters at various locations |
| 20:23.01 | Simca | you are right in that lua precision is a problem |
| 20:23.10 | Simca | they aren't a perfect match |
| 20:23.15 | Simca | -972 vs -974 |
| 20:23.23 | Simca | 3730 vs 3728 |
| 20:23.47 | Semlar | it shouldn't be too big of a deal since i was planning on rounding them a little anyway |
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| 20:23.55 | Simca | yeah |
| 20:24.11 | Semlar | i just needed a way to ID the nodes |
| 20:24.56 | Semlar | i like that the maelstrom has no measurements |
| 20:25.15 | Semlar | i guess that verifies that there are in fact no flight points |
| 20:25.57 | Simca | maelstrom you only go to like twice anyway, once in a vision, another on the first entry to deepholm |
| 20:26.25 | Semlar | well the maelstrom as a continent i think counts for a few places |
| 20:26.36 | Semlar | deepholm and like the goblin starting island |
| 20:26.44 | Simca | i guess deepholm and underwater vashj'ir flight systems are special (in that they connect to no outside nodes) |
| 20:27.03 | Semlar | you can actually fly from vashjir to undercity |
| 20:27.13 | Semlar | and probably some alliance city |
| 20:27.18 | kd3 | sw |
| 20:27.25 | Simca | the aboveground vashj'ir node only |
| 20:27.30 | kd3 | there's an actual fp on the beach for both factions |
| 20:27.37 | Simca | there are 3 underwater vashj'ir flight paths on seashores |
| 20:27.45 | Semlar | and my script is convinced you can fly from vashjir to orgrimmar but i think it's either not in the game or for a quest/dialog option |
| 20:28.09 | Semlar | it has a very definite flight route going through EK into kalimdor |
| 20:28.56 | Simca | could have been the original way to get there, before the dramatic boat battle/boat sinks vashj'ir intro |
| 20:29.09 | foxlit | well, the horde flight point there has to link somewhere |
| 20:29.11 | Semlar | there are also at least 2 flight points in vashjir that end at a boat with no flight master on it |
| 20:29.17 | foxlit | and undercity would be kind of bleh. |
| 20:29.32 | VIad | Semlar: there are some quest related routes |
| 20:29.50 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.02 | Simca | seahorse riding quests |
| 20:30.09 | VIad | :p |
| 20:30.43 | Simca | the three gray dots in vashj'ir are the underwater nodes (on their own separate flight network), so I guess you already handle those properly |
| 20:31.16 | Semlar | i need to take this flight path at some point to determine if it really is 19 minutes long |
| 20:31.33 | Simca | UC to STV is 11-13 min iirc |
| 20:31.39 | Simca | I timed it once out of boredom |
| 20:31.44 | Simca | so 19 minutes sounds about right |
| 20:31.58 | Semlar | o.o |
| 20:32.43 | zenzelezz | Winterspring to Silithus is (or was, haven't tried since vanilla) 15 |
| 20:34.21 | Amarande | UC to Stonard should be just about 11:40, yeah |
| 20:34.30 | Amarande | I know that flight path too damn well, back in the days of Kara heh |
| 20:34.40 | foxlit | why can't you instantly port everywhere yet? |
| 20:34.55 | Amarande | yeah, that would be nice |
| 20:34.59 | Amarande | quick travel points like SW:TOR |
| 20:35.40 | Semlar | because you aren't a mage |
| 20:35.42 | foxlit | the attune-and-port-at-any-time mass transit model seems better in every respect. |
| 20:35.48 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online had an all right version of that, with their "grid" |
| 20:35.52 | zenzelezz | didn't go everywhere, but many places |
| 20:36.03 | zenzelezz | almost everywhere if you were a fixer |
| 20:36.25 | Semlar | imo they should make flights prohibitively expensive so it's a luxury to travel long distances |
| 20:36.39 | foxlit | that would never fly. |
| 20:36.41 | Semlar | :O |
| 20:36.48 | foxlit | </rimshot> |
| 20:37.18 | Semlar | you're going to pay 1000g to fly to tanaan AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT |
| 20:37.56 | Amarande | I'm not sure which is the better model though |
| 20:37.57 | Semlar | think of all the people you'd run into out in the world! |
| 20:38.10 | Amarande | SW:TOR has porting for free but it's on a 30 min cooldown (which can be reduced by perks) |
| 20:38.20 | Amarande | FFXIV lets you port whenever but every teleport costs gil |
| 20:38.41 | Amarande | although they let you set a single free destination at a time if you have an authenticator :) |
| 20:38.57 | foxlit | the cooldown ports are basically hearthstones. |
| 20:39.34 | Semlar | what if you could get a hearthstone from any inn |
| 20:39.42 | Semlar | and just have multiple hearthstones to different places |
| 20:39.57 | Amarande | ugh, these flash zero-days are starting to annoy. it's a bloody good thing that Linux is rarely targeted, otherwise rate things are going it may cease to be a viable desktop even without MS pushing it over the brink with encouraging OEMs to lock down secure boot :( |
| 20:40.08 | foxlit | involving bag space is still meh. |
| 20:40.14 | Semlar | well that's the trade-off |
| 20:40.34 | Amarande | Semlar: that's kinda like a worse version of the SW:TOR idea |
| 20:40.57 | Amarande | SW:TOR's 30-min cooldown quick travel replaces the hearthstone altogether, more or less |
| 20:41.02 | Amarande | (you could argue that Fleet Passes are the 'hearthstones') |
| 20:41.07 | Semlar | my challenge mode teleports have a fucking 8 hour cooldown |
| 20:41.35 | foxlit | basically, every flight point you've unlocked should be instantly portable to from the world map, with no cooldown, at some moderate gold cost. |
| 20:43.22 | Amarande | foxlit: ah, the FF14 model, then |
| 20:43.31 | foxlit | and/or gw2. |
| 20:45.02 | foxlit | I rather like xiv's mix of ports and porters as well. |
| 20:45.20 | Semlar | Simca: are these 3 floats before the continent borders in WorldMapContinent actually a 3D coordinate |
| 20:45.37 | Semlar | or is field8 something else |
| 20:45.42 | foxlit | it's never "oh shit, I have to take a 12 minute coffee break while I sit on this gryphon / jump through 3 portals to get somewhere" |
| 20:46.04 | Neffi | wait.. did they remove flying from all the game? |
| 20:46.08 | Simca | Semlar: field 8 is scale |
| 20:46.29 | Semlar | in what sense |
| 20:46.41 | Simca | I have no idea, it's just literally called 'scale' |
| 20:46.50 | Simca | presumably it scales something |
| 20:46.52 | Semlar | well that's good enough for me |
| 20:47.24 | Semlar | i assume in classic blizzard fashion they have the x, y coordinates inverted so i'll have some fun trying to figure out which one they actually are |
| 20:47.59 | Semlar | any idea what field13 might be |
| 20:48.54 | Semlar | 751 for the maelstrom i'm pretty sure is its map |
| 20:49.02 | Semlar | but all of the rest are either 1 or 0 |
| 20:49.15 | Simca | yeah, i have the fields as (after my changes based on them initially being backwards): ID, mapID, leftBoundary, rightBoundary, topBoundary, bottomBoundary, continentOffset_y, continentOffset_x, scale, taxiMin_y, taxiMin_x, taxiMax_y, taxiMax_x, worldMapID, UNK_14 |
| 20:51.17 | Semlar | okay all of the 1 fields are in azeroth, outland has 0 and draenor has 0 so i'm assuming spaaaaace |
| 20:52.08 | Semlar | field14 appears to be related to them being 0 but i don't know what it means |
| 20:53.53 | Semlar | i think it's because these continents zoom out to the world view of azeroth map and the others go to the cosmic view, and the maelstrom has its own map |
| 21:08.07 | foxlit | this sea horse is clearly defective |
| 21:08.16 | foxlit | it's moving at walking pace and not even trying to get you to push buttons. |
| 21:09.12 | Semlar | this works considerably better when the numbers are right |
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| 21:16.41 | Semlar | sort of |
| 21:16.54 | Semlar | lua's precision isn't helping |
| 21:17.28 | VIad | that will be 15.00000000000013 USD |
| 21:18.49 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/mission=556/storm-front << this is silly. |
| 21:19.54 | foxlit | "fuck you, let's have 5 equipment counters on a 4-equipment slot mission" |
| 21:21.05 | Semlar | don't worry, their recklessness will work to your advantage |
| 21:21.23 | foxlit | and with the buffed pandaren crew, they now expose their floating point math. |
| 21:21.29 | foxlit | 1/3 + 2/3 < 1. |
| 21:21.36 | Semlar | hooray! |
| 21:21.50 | nevcairiel | they dont want you to be able to counter every mission 100% |
| 21:22.31 | nevcairiel | they expressed that quite often :d |
| 21:22.41 | Semlar | i don't think this counts |
| 21:23.46 | foxlit | I think there should be a small chance, say, like 1%, that whenever a boss drops below 5%, it should insta-kill your entire raid. |
| 21:24.59 | Semlar | funny you should say that |
| 21:25.00 | foxlit | and, for good measure, slap a 1 hour resurrection timer on everyone, and drop your level to 99 so you'd have to do some world content to try again. |
| 21:25.31 | Semlar | i've had enough 1% wipes that i feel this might be the case |
| 21:27.07 | Semlar | i'm about ready to flip a table because all of the numbers i'm using are coming straight out of the dbc files and after going through the conversions they're still off from the in-game numbers |
| 21:29.25 | foxlit | what are you actually doing, Semlar? |
| 21:30.31 | Semlar | i'm trying to take the world coordinates for the flight points that i have from the dbc files and match them to the flight node on the taxi map |
| 21:31.24 | foxlit | wouldn't the latter be more or less manually positioned to make the map more attractive? |
| 21:31.58 | Semlar | even if they are manually positioned, i'm moderately certain that the coordinates in the dbc file are for the icons on the taxi map |
| 21:32.29 | Semlar | although i'm beginning to doubt my sanity at this point |
| 21:32.37 | Amarande | foxlit: or a raid boss where once they get below a certain % hp, their next action is always to start casting a full heal on themselves? :) |
| 21:32.58 | Amarande | I don't mean like Garrosh, I mean like "finish it now or you've wasted the last several minutes" :) |
| 21:33.21 | mckenziemc | goto sleep Amarande |
| 21:34.33 | VIad | Semlar: we got HC gorefiend down last week, was fun |
| 21:34.41 | Semlar | grats |
| 21:35.01 | Semlar | we're working on socrethar because i need a weapon |
| 21:36.23 | Semlar | we did socrethar in normal for an alt raid and were kind of angry about how easy it was |
| 21:36.39 | Semlar | it was considerably easier than gorefiend |
| 21:36.52 | Semlar | we just steamrolled it |
| 21:37.06 | foxlit | Semlar: so what do you have, and what do you want to have? |
| 21:37.25 | nevcairiel | socreathr on normal is lulzy, with only one p2 |
| 21:37.35 | nevcairiel | dunno if that works on hc |
| 21:37.40 | nevcairiel | we're not quite there yet |
| 21:38.44 | Semlar | it is kind of ridiculous on heroic and i think it's because they overcorrected the fight after deciding it was too easy on the first week |
| 21:39.10 | Semlar | although it's hard to tell because we might just be bad |
| 21:39.49 | Semlar | foxlit: an example is in-game TaxiNodePosition() for rilzit's holdfast in nagrand gives us 0.22497713565826, 0.52038663625717 |
| 21:40.13 | Semlar | if my script tries to convert the world coordinates it has in the dbc file for that node, i end up with 0.22504574882022, 0.52008172784616 |
| 21:40.57 | nevcairiel | the weird taximap is just imprecise, big surprise :p |
| 21:41.16 | Semlar | so i think it's because it has to run through enough rounding errors in the conversion process that my numbers are fairly wrong |
| 21:41.25 | foxlit | so you're off by a pixel if the map was 1000x1000 pixels? |
| 21:41.51 | Semlar | it's not an issue about pixels, i need to be able to identify what node it is based on its coordinates from the api function |
| 21:42.22 | foxlit | what were you hoping for, an exact result? |
| 21:42.35 | Semlar | when i round the coordinates to even 3 places i'm ending up wrong, although i don't see how given these particular numbers |
| 21:43.37 | Semlar | i'm using format('%d%03d%03d', continentID, flightX * 1000 + 0.5, flightY * 1000 + 0.5) and ending up with different numbers in-game than my script has |
| 21:46.19 | foxlit | which isn't unreasonable. |
| 21:47.28 | foxlit | since even in that example, you'd get 225 vs 226 |
| 21:48.36 | foxlit | you could just drop more precision than you're doing right now |
| 21:49.10 | Semlar | how should i be formatting this |
| 21:49.22 | Semlar | frankly it should be accurate to 3 places |
| 21:50.20 | Semlar | but even 2 places it appears to be wrong |
| 21:51.08 | foxlit | it'd also be easier to give up on exact coordinate matching and just return the point that's closest. |
| 21:51.48 | Semlar | seeking out the nearest node is going to be a lot more overhead than just looking up a particular entry in the table though |
| 21:52.48 | Semlar | although i suppose that doesn't matter since it doesn't work |
| 21:54.18 | Semlar | woohoo i've completed 25 training missions |
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| 22:21.16 | VIad | Semlar: I am at 22 treasure missions :( |
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| 22:31.49 | foxlit | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FVFKUf7f << [3] and [4] are computed from the dbcs? |
| 22:34.38 | Simca | not computed, direct from dbcs |
| 22:34.54 | foxlit | oh, which ones? |
| 22:35.19 | foxlit | taxinodes. |
| 22:35.39 | Simca | yes |
| 22:35.44 | foxlit | so that makes [1] and [2] TaxiNodePosition() |
| 22:37.08 | Simca | I have the complete structure if you want it |
| 22:37.31 | Simca | and i'm guessing you use a non-standard column numbering scheme |
| 22:37.35 | foxlit | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/gNYvrvLN |
| 22:38.44 | Simca | since the two popular ones are ID = col 0, and ID = col 1 |
| 22:38.51 | foxlit | so accurate to roughly 7 digits |
| 22:38.55 | Simca | '0-based' and '1-based' |
| 22:40.22 | foxlit | which is what you would expect from floats |
| 22:41.57 | Simca | the error is creeping in much earlier than that when doing the conversion the other direction |
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| 22:42.34 | Simca | might be best to leave them in the 0.xxxx state then |
| 22:44.10 | foxlit | that's not really a thing. |
| 22:45.00 | foxlit | You get the same ~7 digits even if you attempt to convert taxinodeposition coordinates to DBC ones |
| 22:46.16 | Simca | maybe it's a result of doing the math outside of lua, in something with more precision |
| 22:46.20 | VIad | Semlar: you trying to convert the db2 data from flightpaths into proper ingame data like coordinates and vectors? |
| 22:46.30 | foxlit | and I'm guessing it'd fare even better if you didn't round those dbc floats |
| 22:47.31 | Simca | I did the conversions in excel earlier and everything was off by between 2 and 4, which implies ~4-5 digits of precision |
| 22:48.16 | Simca | i was using his rounded dbc floats though |
| 22:50.29 | foxlit | the worst error in the dbc -> taxinode conversion is on the x coordinate of Malo's Lookout, Tanaan Jungle, which is off by -0.00136 |
| 22:53.38 | Simca | you did that in lua as well i imagine |
| 22:54.15 | foxlit | yes |
| 22:55.01 | Simca | ah, I see why |
| 22:55.39 | Simca | my DBC reader was visually simplifying 10120.000286821 to 10120 |
| 22:56.18 | Simca | i wouldn't have in the CSV output but I didn't bother to Save As CSV for a 6-line DBC |
| 22:56.23 | Simca | it wouldn't have* |
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| 22:58.23 | Simca | blizzard is always amusing with floats. they store the battle pet qualities in a DB2, even though they're just 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, etc to infinity |
| 22:58.40 | Simca | purely because they want them to consistently have the same floating point error |
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| 23:00.17 | VIad | ChatChannels.dbc contains "BigfootWorldChannel" and "MeetingStone" :P |
| 23:01.01 | Simca | lol |
| 23:01.05 | foxlit | Simca: your csv would probably also read 10120 |
| 23:01.10 | Simca | it rejects the channel name if you try it ingame |
| 23:01.23 | VIad | aye |
| 23:01.26 | VIad | it's "reserved" |
| 23:01.39 | Simca | secret blizzard channel clearly |
| 23:02.12 | VIad | Exhaustion.dbc used in china has the tired stage 1, 2, and then exhausted (no xp/gold/item gain) |
| 23:02.21 | VIad | but also bundles the refer a friend bonus in there |
| 23:02.27 | VIad | and ofc rested and normal xp is also in there |
| 23:02.36 | Simca | foxlit: huh, you're right |
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| 23:03.43 | Simca | what's the reason for that? (I have source access to this dbc program and could fix it pretty easily) |
| 23:04.06 | VIad | are you talking about TaxiNodes.db2? |
| 23:04.25 | VIad | mine uses 6 decimal precision |
| 23:07.20 | VIad | hehe nice to see ItemToBattlePetSpecies.db2 and ItemToMountSpell.db2 :P |
| 23:07.28 | VIad | helps figure out what items give you what companions or mounts |
| 23:07.36 | VIad | dont have to crawl wowhead for the data |
| 23:10.31 | VIad | oh, maybe it would be fun to make a graph out of QuestLineXQuest.db2 to visualize like the chains you need to do to reach certain quests :D |
| 23:12.03 | Simca | it's nearly useless |
| 23:12.25 | Simca | it only has data for the draenor quest chains listed in the world map overview for the zone |
| 23:12.44 | Simca | the "Story Progress: 6/6 Chapters" thing |
| 23:13.29 | Simca | real quest links still exist only in the quest WDB |
| 23:14.41 | VIad | yeah Simca |
| 23:14.52 | VIad | the chapters thing is good to know about :( |
| 23:14.53 | VIad | dunno |
| 23:15.03 | VIad | my friend wants just to do the main quests for the chapters |
| 23:15.09 | VIad | would be nice to generate some sort of guide |
| 23:15.11 | Simca | maybe then |
| 23:15.58 | foxlit | Simca: it's 46 1e 20 00, so it's not wrong. |
| 23:16.36 | Simca | clearly our dbc readers are reading it with a different level of precision |
| 23:16.57 | Simca | I assume yours is closer to what blizzard intended? |
| 23:17.11 | foxlit | no, that number is literally 10120 exactly. |
| 23:17.43 | VIad | interesting. blizzard uses something called "DBWork" |
| 23:17.46 | VIad | "WoWEdit"* |
| 23:17.57 | Simca | yeah |
| 23:18.01 | VIad | looking at the SceneScript.db2 and see "Generated by WOWEdit DBWork" somewhere |
| 23:18.45 | Simca | they show it off in their 10 years of WoW video |
| 23:18.49 | Simca | for a couple of minutes |
| 23:20.33 | foxlit | 0 10001100 00111100010000000000000 -> 2^13 * 1b0011110001 = 0x2788 = 10120 exactly. |
| 23:21.03 | VIad | Simca: I like the Darren's Gameplay Camera script it has "while true do scene:WaitTimer(10) end" |
| 23:21.07 | Simca | you entered it incorrectly on purpose then in your lua code for a reason? |
| 23:22.14 | Simca | Vlad: their scenescript stuff is interesting. it would be very easy to play with it and make your own cinematic. |
| 23:22.25 | VIad | exactly! |
| 23:22.29 | VIad | wowmachinima to a new level |
| 23:22.40 | VIad | btw the skoller's bag of squirrel treats is experimental they wrote in a comment |
| 23:22.50 | VIad | it's a scene the toy uses to render the squirrels and such |
| 23:22.57 | VIad | i.e. you dont have any server side code to make the toy work |
| 23:23.01 | VIad | since its just a visual thing |
| 23:23.13 | VIad | spell just informs the clients to play the same scene I guess |
| 23:23.20 | foxlit | well, it's more like I didn't look at worldmapcontinents to begin with. |
| 23:25.23 | Simca | Vlad: unfortunately since the only valid parser for the scenescript stuff atm is WoW.exe itself, it's against the ToS to do anything fun with it, even for machinima. probably the only reason people haven't done it. |
| 23:25.33 | VIad | I know. |
| 23:25.44 | VIad | I am just saying it would be awesome for machnima people to have used it :P |
| 23:25.59 | VIad | you can do anything and use everything available to the game to do what ever you want |
| 23:26.04 | VIad | and best part is its only visual |
| 23:26.18 | VIad | you code the entire movie in lua and "render" it by playing your lua script |
| 23:26.32 | Simca | it wouldn't be hard at all for Blizzard to open it up to other people |
| 23:28.07 | VIad | well you could perhaps do it like naughty |
| 23:28.22 | VIad | since you probably dont need to even login to use the script scene thing |
| 23:28.50 | VIad | could maybe have some program to modify the runtime when you boot wow.exe and like boot it right into the scene editor "loader" and load some scene lua file |
| 23:28.58 | Simca | it uses the current player by default, including model/gear/coords/zone |
| 23:29.04 | VIad | yeah |
| 23:29.12 | Simca | so they would have to rework that |
| 23:29.42 | VIad | btw they have db files for whitelisting and such the ingame browser |
| 23:29.54 | VIad | even some dev domain names :p |
| 23:30.25 | VIad | https://login-dev-eu.web.blizzard.net/ |
| 23:30.36 | VIad | but ofc its not a real domain, probably just a hostname alias for internal use |
| 23:30.47 | Simca | yeah they have a lot of those |
| 23:31.06 | Simca | http://overwatchfeedback.corp.blizzard.net/ |
| 23:31.56 | VIad | wait blizzard.net offline? |
| 23:32.25 | VIad | thats odd |
| 23:32.51 | VIad | they dont even redirect to the .com version |
| 23:33.05 | Simca | yours is the exact same domain as mine, lol. they're just using subdomain aliases |
| 23:33.12 | Simca | and they never use blizzard.com |
| 23:33.32 | Simca | all of their file servers are blizzard.net/battle.net |
| 23:33.43 | VIad | blizzard.net is 404 for me |
| 23:33.50 | Simca | well i lied http://tohtetzlp9.blizzard.com/ |
| 23:33.56 | Simca | is another internal one |
| 23:34.27 | VIad | hosts "24.105.29.30 login-dev-eu.web.blizzard.net" |
| 23:34.33 | VIad | the IP of the blizzard.com domain |
| 23:34.35 | VIad | forbidden ;p |
| 23:34.46 | VIad | worth a try |
| 23:34.50 | Simca | surprise surprise |
| 23:35.00 | VIad | blizz can probably do silly things too |
| 23:35.42 | Simca | they leave testing b.net account names/passwords lying around in heroes of the storm files as well, but somehow I don't think 123blizzard is a password they're going to use a lot |
| 23:36.08 | VIad | internal servers only probably |
| 23:36.10 | VIad | some dev env |
| 23:36.13 | Simca | yeah |
| 23:38.05 | Simca | they use some kind of wrapper that accepts a lua script to do automation for the game - there were some .lua files lying around in an 'automation' folder that basically logged in some accounts, made them bots, and made them fight it out over and over and over and then eventually stop and report the wins and losses |
| 23:38.40 | VIad | where did you find this folder and lua files? do you have them? |
| 23:39.01 | Simca | yeah, it was in the first heroes of the storm alpha build |
| 23:39.44 | VIad | ah |
| 23:39.56 | VIad | I remember that wod beta had map data from hots map :D |
| 23:39.58 | Simca | http://www.mediafire.com/download/5zlzwi093225znb/automation.zip if you want to look at it |
| 23:40.02 | VIad | thanks |
| 23:46.04 | Semlar | foxlit: how did you calculate the offsets, from the values in my table? |
| 23:47.33 | Semlar | L,W,T,H |
