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| 05:59.04 | nadilli | anyone still around? |
| 05:59.30 | Semlar | this is irc, you don't need to check if people are here |
| 06:00.03 | nadilli | do event handlers have to be declared in the global scope? |
| 06:00.25 | Semlar | no |
| 06:00.25 | nadilli | Nil.eventFrame:RegisterEvent("LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB", Nil.UpdateSpellBook) |
| 06:00.49 | Semlar | Nil is probably a horrible name for a variable though |
| 06:01.02 | kd3 | nil is not a good idea in wow's lua |
| 06:01.23 | nadilli | okat i can change it |
| 06:01.27 | nadilli | its just a namespace |
| 06:01.42 | Semlar | nil is lua's term for nothing |
| 06:01.53 | nadilli | but i can't seem to get that line of code to work |
| 06:02.05 | Semlar | because register event doesn't take an argument |
| 06:02.15 | Semlar | unless you're using a library |
| 06:02.34 | nadilli | so how do you specify handlers? |
| 06:02.43 | Semlar | it's just frame:RegisterEvent('EVENT_NAME') |
| 06:02.59 | Semlar | frame:SetScript('OnEvent', eventHandler) |
| 06:03.32 | nadilli | so it fires the same handler for all events? |
| 06:03.43 | Semlar | all events registered to that frame |
| 06:03.51 | Semlar | go to the same event handler |
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| 06:04.01 | nadilli | I see |
| 06:04.37 | nadilli | Do people usually filter events manually or create new frames for each event? |
| 06:05.04 | Semlar | you should pretty much never make more frames |
| 06:05.04 | Iriel | filter, usually |
| 06:05.15 | Iriel | unless you have a bunch of frames already which need one event each |
| 06:05.21 | Iriel | Anyone gotten D/Câed from bNet? |
| 06:05.32 | Semlar | nah |
| 06:05.39 | pb_ee1 | Just did. Seems it's completely broken atm. |
| 06:05.42 | nadilli | yeah just now |
| 06:05.49 | pb_ee1 | Got access to internet (d'uh), but can't login to B.net |
| 06:06.07 | Iriel | Im in wow and fine, but a friend of mine got kicked from bnet |
| 06:06.18 | nadilli | east coast? |
| 06:06.27 | pb_ee1 | west coast, here |
| 06:06.40 | nadilli | hmmm |
| 06:06.51 | Semlar | you can do something like frame:SetScript('OnEvent', function(self, event, ...) return self[event] and self[event](self, ...) end) |
| 06:06.54 | Iriel | west coast here too |
| 06:07.17 | Semlar | and then write function frame:LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB() etc |
| 06:07.56 | pb_ee1 | interestingly enough, wow never quits if b.net does not respond. let me shut down my network card |
| 06:07.57 | Semlar | if you want it to call separate functions for each event |
| 06:07.59 | pb_ee1 | ha, there |
| 06:08.05 | nadilli | good idea Semlar |
| 06:08.09 | pb_ee1 | b.net is back |
| 06:08.23 | Iriel | Cool, I think he just got back in too |
| 06:09.24 | Semlar | it's slightly more overhead to dispatch your events like that but it's a lot cleaner than writing a bunch of if statements |
| 06:09.51 | Semlar | if you need to handle multiple events |
| 06:10.58 | Torhal | multiplies Semlar by Fisker. |
| 06:11.11 | Semlar | divides torhal and conquers |
| 06:11.20 | Torhal | Barbarian! |
| 06:12.05 | Semlar | can i redefine nil |
| 06:12.19 | Iriel | no |
| 06:12.23 | Semlar | :( |
| 06:12.30 | Iriel | this isnât javascript |
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| 06:12.47 | Torhal | We can redefine Semlar, however. |
| 06:12.55 | Semlar | you'd have to define me first |
| 06:13.18 | Torhal | local Semlar = math.huge |
| 06:13.24 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 06:13.27 | Torhal | >.> |
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| 08:32.33 | sb | Torhal: did you just call him fat? |
| 08:32.47 | Kalroth | big boned |
| 08:32.49 | nevcairiel | he does play a mala panda, so thats a given |
| 08:32.52 | nevcairiel | male* |
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| 08:41.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.03 | sb | whats z-? |
| 08:50.08 | sb | not? |
| 08:50.22 | nebula169 | zone |
| 08:55.25 | Gnarfoz | zone |
| 08:55.30 | Gnarfoz | gah scrolled up ONE LINE |
| 08:55.39 | Gnarfoz | curses quasselweb |
| 09:01.43 | karl_w_w | zone |
| 09:10.25 | VIad | heart of fear, heard same music as in naxxrams - copypasta :D |
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| 09:15.41 | VIad | Semlar: what gives? |
| 09:15.56 | VIad | maybe it returns people in your phase or realm? |
| 09:16.01 | Semlar | nope |
| 09:16.17 | Semlar | i don't know what it's returning but it's not even showing the people i'm standing in front of |
| 09:16.34 | VIad | -_- |
| 09:16.53 | karl_w_w | https://np.reddit.com/r/reactiongifs/comments/3bxwop/mrw_not_having_a_clue_who_victoria_is/ |
| 09:17.00 | Semlar | so it's neither the phase nor the realm |
| 09:17.59 | Semlar | well, it's probably a phase, just not the one i'm in |
| 09:18.16 | Semlar | maybe the intro |
| 09:18.22 | VIad | could be |
| 09:18.37 | VIad | saw a 100 and a 90 |
| 09:18.44 | VIad | in my /who results when doing the z- version |
| 09:20.40 | VIad | seems it might be the phased tanaan yes |
| 09:20.48 | VIad | random 100 passing by tanaan on their FP |
| 09:20.52 | VIad | and some 90 doing his phase quests |
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| 09:25.51 | VIad | no guides talking about a good loadout of boats? :p |
| 09:26.29 | VIad | atm I got 1sub, 1battle, 1trans, 3destr |
| 09:26.43 | VIad | yes one blew up on his leveling mission to epic, failed 90% :p |
| 09:26.55 | VIad | trying to figure out what to build |
| 09:30.09 | Semlar | i am literally just building and destroying ships at this point trying to get a better crew |
| 09:30.51 | Semlar | it's not possible to get 100% on missions with a captain by countering everything |
| 09:31.03 | VIad | aye |
| 09:31.09 | VIad | racism in wow? |
| 09:31.23 | Semlar | and they don't appear to have updated the pandaren racial |
| 09:31.37 | VIad | some group should go public and complain about racism, clearly favoring humans than other races |
| 09:31.39 | Semlar | so i don't know if it works on any missions at all |
| 09:31.42 | VIad | racism, specism? |
| 09:32.12 | Semlar | 6/8 of my boats are tauren |
| 09:32.51 | Semlar | the last 2 ships i built were tauren and panda |
| 09:34.36 | Semlar | the names of the boats appear to have nothing to do with the race of the crew |
| 09:35.13 | Semlar | i suspect they were probably supposed to go together |
| 09:40.31 | VIad | Semlar: I am lazy http://ss.bool.no/upload_1107da54.mp4 |
| 09:41.15 | Semlar | how exactly are these in line of sight of each other |
| 09:41.23 | VIad | don't ask |
| 09:41.30 | Semlar | did you cheat |
| 09:41.34 | VIad | no |
| 09:41.58 | Semlar | i can't even get the stupid things to work between the ground and the tower to ashran |
| 09:42.21 | Semlar | even when the line is connected it won't go from the ground to the top |
| 09:42.55 | VIad | ye they are buggy atm |
| 09:42.59 | VIad | btw what ships you got atm? |
| 09:43.02 | VIad | 2 of each or+ |
| 09:43.22 | Semlar | basicaly |
| 09:43.58 | Semlar | except right now i keep destroying the same submarine repeatedly because i want a better crew |
| 09:44.55 | nevcairiel | my ships die too often on missions to bother with such detail |
| 09:46.51 | VIad | wonder what to name my ships :p |
| 09:47.34 | Maldivia | flying dutchman ? |
| 09:47.50 | Maldivia | yellow submarine? |
| 09:48.02 | Maldivia | uss enterprise? |
| 09:48.29 | Semlar | junk |
| 09:49.15 | nevcairiel | i just keep the generated names |
| 09:49.25 | VIad | it's like pets you can always set to default |
| 09:49.37 | VIad | atm using generic names to make it easier to remember what typeo f ship it is :p |
| 09:49.41 | VIad | Battleship A, Battleship B, e.g. |
| 09:50.14 | Maldivia | VIad: Internetz to the rescue: http://www.namegenerator.biz/boat-name-generator.php |
| 09:50.20 | VIad | :D |
| 09:50.43 | Semlar | nautical nonsense |
| 09:51.05 | VIad | one of the names it suggested: Megusta |
| 09:51.12 | Semlar | floating point |
| 09:51.30 | Maldivia | like that one :D |
| 09:53.34 | VIad | group in lfr skipped tyrant and did mannoroth and archimonde, now back to finish her :P |
| 09:53.44 | VIad | isnt she easier than xhul/mannoroth/archimonde? |
| 09:53.58 | Semlar | LFR has access to the whole raid? |
| 09:54.06 | VIad | no, pug |
| 09:54.10 | VIad | typo |
| 09:55.21 | nevcairiel | velhari can be a bit hard on certain group combinations |
| 09:55.36 | VIad | same goes for xhul imo, too many melee |
| 09:55.39 | nevcairiel | not sure how it compares directly to the others |
| 09:55.59 | VIad | haven't done mannoroth/archi yet, hoping to make a group for those tonight |
| 09:56.10 | VIad | pugging, thug life |
| 09:56.24 | VIad | much more challenging than guild raids! :p |
| 09:56.43 | VIad | if you want a real challenge you pug and try to teach people how to play the encounter. |
| 09:58.02 | VIad | oh anyone got a funny female standup comedian to recommend? |
| 09:58.45 | Semlar | ha |
| 09:58.55 | VIad | c'mon girls can be funny too! |
| 09:59.04 | Semlar | um |
| 09:59.07 | VIad | so I think |
| 09:59.16 | Semlar | sarah silverman |
| 09:59.28 | VIad | crap not on netflix |
| 09:59.49 | Semlar | i don't think tina fey does standup |
| 10:00.03 | Semlar | wanda sykes? |
| 10:00.15 | VIad | nothing. |
| 10:00.18 | VIad | just movies, no standups |
| 10:00.26 | Semlar | well i don't know what would be on netflix |
| 10:00.52 | Semlar | why do you need a female comedian |
| 10:01.07 | VIad | Ill look up on yoiutube those you mentioned :D |
| 10:01.27 | VIad | I haven't managed to find a female comedian that makes me laugh well, so kind of trying to just find that person atm. |
| 10:01.49 | VIad | so far haven't been laughing hard enough to say I can recommend one of those i've seen, at least on netflix |
| 10:01.57 | Semlar | does eddie izzard count |
| 10:02.22 | VIad | :p |
| 10:04.17 | VIad | btw why is there a gender divide in chess? |
| 10:04.41 | VIad | sports can be understandable but chess? :P |
| 10:04.54 | Semlar | because women can get laid |
| 10:06.27 | VIad | I think THAT is retarded |
| 10:06.39 | Kalroth | rude |
| 10:06.50 | Kalroth | retards are people too |
| 10:07.56 | VIad | said nothing bad about being retarded. just should maybe write laws or make rules in some cases. |
| 10:08.10 | VIad | probably some old 90 year old geezers in the chess comitte doing what they think is right |
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| 10:11.25 | karl_w_w | yes VIad |
| 10:11.40 | karl_w_w | sarah millican |
| 10:11.52 | karl_w_w | I can probably think of some more if I try |
| 10:12.06 | Semlar | no you couldn't |
| 10:12.30 | karl_w_w | oh oh, one who's name I forgot... |
| 10:12.52 | karl_w_w | victoria wood |
| 10:13.57 | VIad | lfr assault looks like this as a tank :P http://ss.bool.no/capture_1435918414.png |
| 10:15.54 | VIad | ugh. isn't this a poorly designed follower to be released in 6.2? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1435918526.png |
| 10:16.10 | VIad | like how many missions are just for one follower. mission that matters at least. |
| 10:19.25 | Dagmar | Sure enough, pick up the quest from Seer Kazai, do something as simple as run to the dock and back... boom. Completed. |
| 10:19.35 | Dagmar | I can deal with quests like taht |
| 10:20.04 | Dagmar | ...not all the time, but I've _definitely_ beaten down 5 Apexis areas this week |
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| 10:24.25 | VIad | lol got the 5% destroyer |
| 10:24.29 | VIad | the one operated by murlocs |
| 10:24.37 | VIad | that counts as destroyer and transport ship |
| 10:24.43 | VIad | (on my ALT) |
| 10:25.27 | Gnarfoz | easy solution: don't play alts |
| 10:25.53 | VIad | :D |
| 10:26.48 | karl_w_w | easier solution: don't play wow |
| 10:27.04 | VIad | easiest solution: breed murlocs IRL and start your own pirate ship |
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| 13:54.25 | aggixx | Hi everyone, so I've got a weird issue. Not looking to solve it because I can't reproduce it (nor do I need to) but its a fascinating issue so maybe someone has some insight: |
| 13:55.04 | aggixx | I have a feral WeakAura display I wrote that is written extremely heavily in LUA, did an update yesterday and people were telling me the new import string was broken |
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| 13:55.25 | aggixx | so I import the string, lo and behold every single capital letter A was removed from all of the fields of the aura, including the code |
| 13:55.57 | nevcairiel | capital As are bad, yo |
| 13:56.35 | aggixx | srs? :O |
| 14:00.18 | aggixx | I figured it was something to do with data being lost in compression/serialization but don't know much more than that |
| 14:01.17 | nevcairiel | dunno, these things are pretty well tested |
| 14:01.34 | nevcairiel | random corruption due to a bug sure, but systematic removal of all A's? seems unlikely |
| 14:02.20 | phelps | Apocolypse |
| 14:02.23 | phelps | get it ? |
| 14:02.24 | phelps | hahah |
| 14:02.54 | nevcairiel | more like pocolypse |
| 14:03.16 | aggixx | lol |
| 14:04.48 | aggixx | might not be just As but that was the only thing that was obvious |
| 14:05.29 | aggixx | quite the bizarre issue to have though :o |
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| 14:14.43 | Gnarfoz | more like pocalypse :o |
| 14:15.03 | Gnarfoz | when I read that, my head asplode. |
| 14:17.14 | Kraps | haha what the hell https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2min5e/rwow_has_reached_a_new_level_of_drama/cm4ldxo |
| 14:20.27 | aggixx | 2x [string "return function (event, ...)..."]:3: attempt to index global 'Weakuras' (a nil value) >.> |
| 14:22.56 | Ressy | Kraps: old |
| 14:23.02 | Kraps | yes |
| 14:23.22 | foxlit | should so be using chunk names. |
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| 14:46.27 | Ackis | man apt-get |
| 14:46.29 | Ackis | damnit |
| 14:46.51 | bluspacecow | apt-get ackis-backup-script |
| 14:47.01 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 14:48.15 | Ackis | trying to find a way to make the apt-get info a bit easier to read via terminal (colours maybe?) |
| 14:50.21 | nevcairiel | maybe you should try aptitude instead? |
| 14:51.13 | Ackis | that's overkill for what I want |
| 14:51.52 | Dagmar | export LC_ALL="idiot" |
| 14:51.57 | Dagmar | Might work, might not. |
| 14:52.15 | Dagmar | I just don't think coloring it makes it any easier to read. |
| 14:52.35 | Dagmar | I try to ignore the pride festival that happens on my screen when I run it on my MythBuntu box |
| 14:52.35 | Ackis | it makes it easier to pick out different info |
| 14:53.11 | bluspacecow | http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/03/03/why-the-tsa-hassled-a-traveler-with-bitcoin-in-his-bag/ |
| 14:53.15 | bluspacecow | #AT.COM |
| 14:53.19 | bluspacecow | #WAT |
| 14:53.36 | Dagmar | I stopped doing the things that make it spit out different info, like changing any config files, ever. I just add new ones so the whatever.d mechanisms pick them up |
| 14:53.52 | nevcairiel | how can you pack bitcoin |
| 14:54.12 | Dagmar | There's people who make them as physical tokens, and they can be printed on certificates. |
| 14:54.21 | Dagmar | Just don't, erm... hold them up to the camera on national TV. |
| 14:54.31 | Dagmar | Yes, someone did that. |
| 14:54.54 | bluspacecow | https://www.airbnb.co.uk/rooms/26707?eluid=1&euid=741d6c3f-bf22-6de4-2114-42e1c224d5cd |
| 14:55.00 | Dagmar | He had a sense of humor about it when he got a call from a guy the next day offering to return it because he'd snatched the thing before someone else did |
| 14:55.06 | bluspacecow | i wanna go Cottonwood |
| 14:55.11 | bluspacecow | so I can shove myself |
| 14:55.13 | bluspacecow | into a dog |
| 14:55.16 | bluspacecow | and sleep in a dog |
| 14:55.47 | Dagmar | Looking at the article, I think the TSA people were just making shit up because the guy was on an 'enhanced watch list' simply because was involved with Bitcoin publicly. |
| 14:56.33 | Dagmar | Of course, Orwellian government agencies _never_ manufacture false testimony or evidence. |
| 14:56.57 | Dagmar | They certainly don't have seminars training agents in how to properly manufacture false chains of evidence, either. |
| 14:57.47 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: OKay, I *definitely* had to look at that second link just to figure out if you were maybe in need of being told you're too high to use the computer right now. |
| 14:58.01 | bluspacecow | oh dont worry |
| 14:58.09 | bluspacecow | Iâm _always_ too high to use a computer |
| 14:59.26 | Dagmar | Someone should probably make gilt bitcoins |
| 14:59.43 | Dagmar | Then we could see someone arrested for carrying "suspicious amounts of chocolate" in the headlines. |
| 14:59.52 | Dagmar | That would be funny. |
| 15:00.23 | Dagmar | If I had the least interest in being a chocolatier, my ass would be on Kickstarter right now |
| 15:00.53 | Dagmar | 'cuz now that I've said it, I'm pretty sure that would make a profit. |
| 15:01.16 | Dagmar | Milk chocolate bitcoins. Mmmm... *drool* |
| 15:04.21 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow, tell these reddit people to grow up, I have subreddits to read :( |
| 15:04.41 | bluspacecow | what are they PMSing over now ? |
| 15:04.59 | Dagmar | It's Reddit. Take your pick. |
| 15:05.14 | karl_w_w | some admin got fired so subreddits mods decided to make their subreddits private in protest |
| 15:05.29 | nevcairiel | apparently they are annoyed because an employee they like got fired |
| 15:05.39 | nevcairiel | without knowing a thing about the reasons |
| 15:06.21 | nevcairiel | childish hissyfit really |
| 15:06.37 | stuf | apparently people didn't know why it happened and shat on a multitude of other peoples shit in the process |
| 15:06.41 | Gnarfoz | that employee was in a no-redundancy position and was very helpful (required, even) for any subreddit doing AMAs |
| 15:07.12 | Gnarfoz | they let her go and had no replacement or substitute or process in place whatsoever |
| 15:07.22 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: there might still be valid reasons to fire her, so throwing around mud without knowing anything is just silly |
| 15:07.26 | Dagmar | Perhaps now the standard will become "Ask Me Reasonable and Relevant Questions" |
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| 15:07.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nobody is even talking about why they fired her |
| 15:07.48 | Gnarfoz | nobody knows, I doubt they really care |
| 15:07.57 | Gnarfoz | the hole she left is just humonguous |
| 15:08.08 | Gnarfoz | plus, reddit admins have a history of doing shit like that |
| 15:08.12 | bluspacecow | well thats what you get |
| 15:08.16 | nevcairiel | Just saying there could be reasons that mandate immediate termination, and obviously you dont have a replacement lined up right then |
| 15:08.19 | bluspacecow | when you have friggin 10 year olds for admins |
| 15:08.21 | Gnarfoz | even though they're not the ones that are responsible for the popularity of the site |
| 15:08.22 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 15:08.35 | nevcairiel | going all crazy like this is just stupid |
| 15:08.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sure, that might be true, and we hopefully won't know (because that stuff doesn't belong in the headlines) |
| 15:08.53 | bluspacecow | I wonder if those gamer gates idiots will get involved somehow |
| 15:09.02 | Gnarfoz | that's still a thing? |
| 15:09.20 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: You can bet that even if they're not there will be people blaming them for being involved. |
| 15:09.24 | nevcairiel | idiots will always be a thing Gnarfoz |
| 15:09.25 | Gnarfoz | I can see why they're going crazy, not saying it's great... but it's the best way they have to make themselves heard |
| 15:09.27 | stuf | speaking of gamergate, should go and get my daily dose of quality games journalism from polygon |
| 15:09.35 | Gnarfoz | by hurting reddit's cashflow |
| 15:09.42 | karl_w_w | what are gamer gates idiots |
| 15:10.08 | stuf | karl_w_w: super-misogynistic people who don't like sarkeesian. |
| 15:10.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bxduw/why_was_riama_along_with_a_number_of_other_large/ has a summary (not really a TL;DR) |
| 15:10.28 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i read it, but it explains nothing |
| 15:10.28 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: That depends on where you stand. One group of idiots are hyper-reactionary assholes who see everyone as being a gender discriminating racist. |
| 15:10.30 | karl_w_w | prove it stuf |
| 15:10.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: "we didn't get warned, QQ" |
| 15:10.50 | Dagmar | The other group of idiots actually think the first group is ever going to listen to anything they say. |
| 15:11.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: do you realize that AMAs are one of the main things (if not the main thing) driving reddit's popularity? |
| 15:11.19 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: thats entirely not the point |
| 15:11.24 | Dagmar | You mean... it's not... karma whoring? |
| 15:11.28 | Gnarfoz | I don't see how you can say that after reading that thing |
| 15:11.59 | karl_w_w | your contribution to something doesn't make you immune to being fired |
| 15:12.10 | Gnarfoz | ugh |
| 15:12.21 | nevcairiel | the point is that they are running around like headless chickens and acting like babies that had their toys stolen, instead of remaining adults and just waiting for the holiday weekend to end and giving the company time to respond |
| 15:12.40 | Gnarfoz | meanwhile, their communities whither |
| 15:13.07 | Gnarfoz | (wither?) |
| 15:13.22 | Dagmar | Oh holy crap this is funny http://twistedsifter.com/2015/06/street-artist-and-city-worker-have-year-long-exchange-on-london-wall/ |
| 15:13.32 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 15:15.15 | karl_w_w | Gnarfoz: wither before or after Christmas |
| 15:16.27 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: heh, nice |
| 15:17.23 | Dagmar | I *like* graffiti when it's carefully done, even if it's just snarky text. |
| 15:46.46 | VIad | OMG got Mrgrggrgl Mark III right of the bat |
| 15:46.49 | VIad | instant rare :D |
| 15:47.00 | VIad | the other murloc based ship, a destroyer |
| 15:47.33 | Dagmar | You know you can *rename* them, right? |
| 15:47.47 | Dagmar | Like, if anyone else can see those names, I'm probably going to be in trouble. |
| 15:47.53 | VIad | :P |
| 15:47.55 | VIad | I mean |
| 15:48.01 | VIad | murloc crews are rare |
| 15:48.02 | VIad | like 5% |
| 15:48.03 | Dagmar | I have one named 'Good Ship Lollipop". The rest, not G-rated |
| 15:48.09 | VIad | chance when you craft a boat |
| 15:48.15 | foxlit | also pointless |
| 15:48.24 | VIad | no! |
| 15:48.29 | VIad | they combine ship types into one |
| 15:48.31 | VIad | making it useful |
| 15:48.38 | Dagmar | Do they have a racial bonus of "more likely to die in quantity" |
| 15:49.40 | foxlit | not really, since you can always type-match with other ships. |
| 15:50.04 | foxlit | it's essentially a dead slot beyond affording you some flexibility on missions you probably shouldn't care about. |
| 15:50.40 | nevcairiel | its not like t he other choices are much more powerful |
| 15:51.35 | VIad | you can drop having transport ships |
| 15:51.41 | VIad | if you got murloc crewed ship :) |
| 15:51.52 | VIad | i.e. more battleship and destroyers! |
| 15:52.22 | aggixx | anyone know if ship matching equipment gives the same success chance bonus as equipment counters? |
| 15:52.39 | Dagmar | By the description it just means they carry the Transport trait for free |
| 15:52.40 | VIad | also wtb http://www.wowhead.com/ship=583/the-awakener#ships |
| 15:52.55 | VIad | yes Dagmar, isnt that what transport ships are anyway? |
| 15:53.00 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 15:53.08 | Dagmar | I see no mention of this "combining" |
| 15:53.23 | Dagmar | http://www.wowhead.com/garrisonability=315/murloc-crew |
| 15:53.35 | foxlit | aggixx: no |
| 15:53.53 | foxlit | count 10 points for type counters, 3 for equipment counters, and 1 for everything else. |
| 15:54.09 | aggixx | wow thats rough |
| 15:54.11 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/threat=87/land-objective |
| 15:54.14 | aggixx | I thought it would at least be half |
| 15:54.58 | VIad | boarding party trait is only found on transport ships, but they are only for transporting, countering the land "threat" |
| 15:55.10 | VIad | imo the transport ships takes up slots |
| 15:55.40 | VIad | brb shower |
| 15:56.07 | Dagmar | Seems like it's essentially a ship 'trait' |
| 15:56.23 | Dagmar | At the moment I think I find humans somewhat more useful |
| 15:56.55 | foxlit | for the most part, the question is "what do I do about expert captains?" |
| 15:57.16 | Dagmar | Send humans in maybe |
| 15:57.23 | foxlit | send 3x humans. |
| 15:57.31 | Dagmar | Whichever race buffs mission success directly |
| 15:57.46 | foxlit | unfortunately, most missions only have two ship slots, so you're mildly doomed. |
| 15:57.46 | VIad | Dagmar: imagine the random ability some ships get, like, my battleship/carrier has bonus chance of success when on a mission with another battleship/carrier - if they also got murlocs it would counter a lot of things in only two ships ^^ |
| 15:57.51 | Dagmar | ...or wait for an air superiority buff mission to happen |
| 15:58.03 | foxlit | (and hope it's in the right place :P) |
| 15:59.01 | Dagmar | At this point I've just come to the conclusion that Blizz designed this to ensure that you're never likely to be able to send off all your boats with a 100% success chance at once |
| 15:59.43 | Dagmar | 42% success rate? See ya later, longears crew |
| 15:59.53 | Dagmar | They usually survive |
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| 16:01.03 | Dagmar | I'm not running out of ships, missions or resources, but I'm definitely out of fucks. |
| 16:01.11 | Dagmar | I think that first scripted failure has made everyone gun shy |
| 16:04.39 | bluspacecow | ha |
| 16:04.44 | bluspacecow | like yo ever had fucks to give |
| 16:05.11 | Dagmar | I properly freaked out when the first ship got blown up |
| 16:05.44 | Dagmar | ...then I got sick of waiting for the one ship I really needed to complete a mission to come back and just started sending people off if they were at least the right ship type. |
| 16:06.07 | aggixx | I did my cache mission with 2 green submarines |
| 16:06.10 | Dagmar | I've seen one ship sink since |
| 16:06.14 | aggixx | didnt even counter anything |
| 16:06.19 | aggixx | 34%, np |
| 16:06.25 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 16:06.41 | Dagmar | The fail-AND-sink chance must be pretty low |
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| 16:38.26 | Kraps | i thought bagnon had a function to sell all junk at once |
| 16:38.42 | nevcairiel | i've had 88% missions fail and lose both ships |
| 16:38.47 | nevcairiel | so you go screw yourself :P |
| 16:42.51 | drazisil | I use selljunk for that...but you might be right |
| 16:44.58 | Kraps | drazisil: well i dont see it in bagnon |
| 16:45.50 | drazisil | I don't either. guess both our memories are bad :( |
| 16:46.34 | Kraps | lol |
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| 16:47.17 | drazisil | maybe you were thinking of scrap by the same author? |
| 16:47.58 | Kraps | dunno |
| 17:41.54 | bluspacecow | I havenât won one game yet in this weeks tavern brawl :( |
| 17:48.33 | Maldivia | play mage or hunter |
| 17:49.06 | Dagmar | What I don't get is how DeepDream was opensourced and we don't have thousands of people saying "Yep. That's LSD alright." |
| 17:58.37 | karl_w_w | reddit.com/r/all is actually pretty funny right now |
| 17:58.42 | karl_w_w | I guess pigs really can fly |
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| 18:17.10 | foxlit | so xiv fixed its crash-on-exit |
| 18:17.36 | foxlit | meanwhile, wow continues to freeze if you quit too soon after starting the game. |
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| 18:21.12 | fewyn | trying to explain to tech support at TWC that my issue is intermittent is hard :/ |
| 18:21.55 | Dagmar | say "packet loss!" and then bark like a dog |
| 18:22.11 | fewyn | it's not packet loss... well it is... but i lose signal |
| 18:22.14 | fewyn | and it's "random" |
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| 19:10.00 | Gnarfoz | why did Craig Ferguson have to quit |
| 19:10.07 | Gnarfoz | his show was the best |
| 19:10.25 | Dagmar | Perhaps he quit drinking? |
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| 19:17.47 | fewyn | his contract was up |
| 19:19.48 | fewyn | he actually extended it until the end of the year |
| 19:20.03 | fewyn | last year that is |
| 19:25.02 | phelps | this new guy is terrible |
| 19:26.02 | phelps | you can tell he isn't funny and is just riding on his writers |
| 19:27.11 | phelps | and I find Reggie Watts annoying, he thinks he's clever but he isn't |
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| 19:38.21 | Gnarfoz | thankfully, there's youtube |
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| 19:49.29 | Ackis | this is neat - for the first time on my career I can finally say I'm working on something that will have a direct impact on saving lives |
| 19:49.46 | Dagmar | :) |
| 19:52.59 | Stanzilla | soup kitchen? |
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| 20:04.15 | LStranger | hi! |
| 20:06.04 | Gnarfoz | yo |
| 20:06.22 | LStranger | could anyone answer a stupid question, how can I unlink objectives frame from minimap cluster? I've tried ObjectiveTrackerFrame:SetParent(UIParent) and ObjectiveTrackerFrame:SetPoint(.......) |
| 20:06.42 | LStranger | it still moves together with minimap :( |
| 20:09.04 | Stanzilla | tried SetAllPoints yet? |
| 20:09.28 | LStranger | not yet |
| 20:11.36 | LStranger | although shouldn't it be reset already after ClearAllPoints() ? |
| 20:12.25 | Iriel | ClearAllPoints should remove any linkage for sure⦠(SetParent has nothing to do with anchoring, beyoind the potential impact of scale) |
| 20:12.53 | Iriel | Maybe make sure there isnât any lua code relocating or re-linking them. |
| 20:14.17 | LStranger | SetAllPoints() is useless :) |
| 20:15.09 | LStranger | Iriel: may it be that Blizzard UI code does that? |
| 20:15.45 | Iriel | Itâs POSSIBLE (though somewhat unlikely, the UI tends to wire itself together cleanly) |
| 20:16.01 | Iriel | SetAllPoints is only really useful when youâre trying to stack frames into the exact same spot. |
| 20:16.43 | LStranger | I'm out of ideas what to do. |
| 20:17.09 | Iriel | Possibly silly question but, are you sure ObjectiveTrackerFrame is the right object? |
| 20:18.28 | Iriel | Actually, why do you think itâs NOT working? |
| 20:18.38 | Iriel | I just ClearAllPointâed mine, and re-anchored it, and it moved |
| 20:23.04 | LStranger | I thought frame:ClearAllPoints(); then frame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "BOTTOMLEFT"); should do the thing but apparently it does not. |
| 20:23.56 | LStranger | Although you may be right and ObjectiveTrackerFrame is not the right object but what else then? |
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| 20:27.02 | LStranger | BTW, SexyMap addon uses the same 3 - DurabilityFrame, ObjectiveTrackerFrame, VehicleSeatIndicator |
| 20:27.17 | Iriel | No, I think ObjectiveTrackerFrame IS the right object |
| 20:27.25 | LStranger | I mean it attaches movers code to it |
| 20:27.41 | Iriel | I did /run ObjectiveTrackerFrame:ClearAllPoints() ObjectiveTrackerFrame:SetPoint(âLEFTâ, UIParent, âLEFTâ, 20, 0) |
| 20:28.01 | LStranger | I don't want to move them with mouse, I want to detach them from minimap, that's all |
| 20:30.06 | Iriel | Since I dont know what your code looks like I have to guess why it doesnât work - one thought is whether youâre trying to do the move too early |
| 20:31.37 | LStranger | it happens on event PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, is that too early? would you suggest other event then? |
| 20:31.54 | Iriel | Hm, PEW should be fine. |
| 20:32.05 | Iriel | Have you tried putting your code in a global function and /runâing it interactively |
| 20:32.11 | LStranger | I suspect it might be... because GetCenter() returns {nil,nil} |
| 20:32.11 | Iriel | Maybe you have a typo or something |
| 20:33.15 | LStranger | no lua errors happen, I have swatter addon which catches errors |
| 20:33.24 | Iriel | Does the frame move? |
| 20:33.52 | LStranger | I'll try to do that manually, moment |
| 20:34.09 | foxlit | yawn. |
| 20:34.38 | foxlit | objective tracker is re-anchored from under you. |
| 20:34.41 | Iriel | foxlit: For what itâs worth, i dont really like the ânewerâ way you show follower equipment level either (but Iâll get used to it) |
| 20:35.38 | foxlit | hook SetPoint and print some tracebacks if you're interested; flag it as user-placed if you're not. |
| 20:36.09 | foxlit | Iriel: why? |
| 20:37.21 | Iriel | foxlit: Itâs just harder to do a quick scan for upgrade opportunities, I have to stop and think a little bit more. |
| 20:37.28 | Iriel | I imagine iâll adjust over time |
| 20:38.16 | foxlit | I'm not sure why you'd want to do that. |
| 20:39.07 | Iriel | I generally just upgrade followers when I can, so I scan the list from the top to bottom every day or so |
| 20:39.14 | Iriel | (well, those who arenât 675/675) |
| 20:39.15 | LStranger | foxlit: ho can I do that user-placed thing, please? |
| 20:39.19 | Stanzilla | why did they change the follower item upgrades to have a cooldown again, takes ages to level up one now |
| 20:39.22 | LStranger | *how |
| 20:39.26 | Gnarfoz | frame:SetUserPlaced() I think |
| 20:39.29 | Iriel | :SetUserPlaced(true) should do it |
| 20:39.31 | Gnarfoz | or something along those lines |
| 20:39.53 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetUserPlaced |
| 20:40.19 | LStranger | I'll try it, hope it can fix, thanks for advice |
| 20:40.33 | foxlit | Iriel: but isn't it immediately obvious from the item level in the follower list? |
| 20:40.51 | foxlit | "Oh, this is 650, and I have +X upgrade tokens." |
| 20:41.37 | Iriel | Yeah, I used to look for the green up arrow (which was eye catching) and now I have to look for the white not grey (whic is slightly less eye catching) |
| 20:43.47 | foxlit | if I understand you correctly, the workflow is to click through the follower list, checking the details view of each one for upgrade possibilities. |
| 20:44.55 | Iriel | Thayt |
| 20:45.01 | Iriel | Thatâs what Iâve been doing, yes. |
| 20:46.45 | foxlit | mm, I kind of don't expect anyone to do that. |
| 20:47.34 | foxlit | The general idea is that you should upgrade from the available missions tab (which points out when you need upgrades for a specific mission), or from the missions of interest tab (if you're thinking "hm, I really want to get a group capable of doing mission X in the future") |
| 20:48.04 | Iriel | I see, thing is Iâve also got to balance the influx (one a week) of new followers from the inn |
| 20:48.35 | Iriel | And I dont like to deactivate anyone who isnât 675/675 |
| 20:48.44 | foxlit | you can upgrade inactives, too. |
| 20:49.23 | foxlit | but functionally, I think sitting on your upgrades until you actually need them is a better strategy than applying them semi-randomly and then deactivating them. |
| 20:49.51 | Iriel | Maybe, I tend to have space issues.. Iâm a pack-rat |
| 20:49.57 | LStranger | hmm, SetUserPlaced() brings error the file isn't movable |
| 20:50.01 | Iriel | But iâll try it your way for a bit. |
| 20:50.26 | LStranger | **frame |
| 20:50.28 | foxlit | But I can also fix that workflow: you basically want an "upgradable" search filter. |
| 20:50.53 | Iriel | foxlit: even just a little visual indicator on the follower list for those who can be upgraded with an upgrade I have |
| 20:51.55 | Fisker | Hey Iriel |
| 20:51.59 | Iriel | Hi Fisker |
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| 20:53.30 | foxlit | +X upgrades seem way more common than set-to-X, so it'd just be highlighting everyone under 675, which you can kind of already do by scrolling down a bit? |
| 20:53.44 | Iriel | Not necessarily |
| 20:53.57 | foxlit | Then again, maybe that's just me with an oversupply of those things. |
| 20:54.15 | Iriel | If I have a +9, then itâs folks under 667, etc |
| 20:54.40 | Iriel | Obviously if I spent the time to look at my bag first it might go more smoothly |
| 20:54.48 | Iriel | I tend to be a bit lazy and just do a scan. |
| 20:54.54 | zenzelezz | I think most people don't even hit 100, let alone 600 |
| 20:55.31 | foxlit | You can apply a +9 to a 672, though -- it'd just be somewhat wasteful. |
| 20:55.41 | Iriel | Are you sure? |
| 20:55.46 | foxlit | [I probably don't give you the option to, but you can.] |
| 20:56.03 | Iriel | I use your UI exclusively 8-) |
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| 21:00.47 | foxlit | LStranger: hmm, SetUserPlaced() brings error the frame isn't movable << that's also covered by the wowprogramming link above; you need to flag the frame as movable beforehand |
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| 21:02.29 | Gnarfoz | the link only says that's necessary to the saved position to be restored |
| 21:03.13 | Gnarfoz | s/to/for/ |
| 21:03.53 | foxlit | okay, I dropped the entire first part of that sentence and substituted what I thought it should say. |
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| 21:06.30 | zenzelezz | foxlit: isn't that how the Internet works? |
| 21:07.21 | zenzelezz | I don't always drink Captain Morgan black label, but when I do, I forget to use less of it than spiced |
| 21:07.34 | Dagmar | Heh sounds like fun |
| 21:07.47 | Dagmar | I used to make the same mistake with the different octane levels of Smirnoff |
| 21:07.51 | Shirik | Kd3 how's the new mattress? |
| 21:08.16 | foxlit | ~seen kd3 |
| 21:08.20 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowuidev. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 15h 7m 18s, last said: 'nil is not a good idea in wow's lua'. |
| 21:08.21 | Dagmar | It turns out when you're used to drinking a 32oz screwdriver, bumping from 80 to 120 can really have an effect |
| 21:08.48 | Dagmar | I barely bothered to look at the labels, until _after_ that error |
| 21:12.02 | Kraps | yo Amarande |
| 21:13.23 | zenzelezz | when I went out for beers with my brother and two friends last week, I saw they sold Sink the Bismarck... wanted to try it, but so expensive |
| 21:13.46 | kd3 | good so far. I've only had a few nights, so I'm still adjusting after being on an air mattress for a month |
| 21:14.28 | Amarande | ahhh, hard liquor. it's been a while since that. |
| 21:14.39 | Amarande | beer is about the only thing that's in the budget, and even that only pretty occasionally. |
| 21:14.58 | zenzelezz | come to Norway, beer will no longer be on the budget |
| 21:15.08 | zenzelezz | unless your standards are very low |
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| 21:49.59 | LStranger | foxlit: SetUserPlaced() gives weird result - it still doesn't give a chance to set position in PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event but it also brings effect that GetCenter() always returns {nil,nil}. Only effect it makes is the frame isn't movable anymore together with minimap. |
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| 21:52.19 | Shirik | Ew really kd3? That sounds miserable |
| 21:53.08 | kd3 | it was pretty meh |
| 21:54.34 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 21:55.24 | Shirik | Hey fisker |
| 21:56.01 | LStranger | I think I just have to change that reanchoring into another place - not into PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD but somewhere after UI fully loaded so game builtin code finished its reanchoring, could you give me advice how to do that, please? |
| 21:57.43 | LStranger | I've tested that - if I force reanchoring at start of movement, it does work fine without any SetUserPlaced |
| 21:58.17 | LStranger | so I believe if I change the initial moment of that it will work. |
| 22:03.32 | kullervo | did anyone hear about gsync now working in windowed mode as well? |
| 22:08.17 | MiRai | kullervo: According to nVidia, 353.06 enables windowed-mode GSync - http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/g-sync-gets-even-better |
| 22:13.39 | kullervo | yeah might be time to drop the cash on a 980Ti and a 144Hz IPS gsync screen |
| 22:19.26 | zenzelezz | so 144 Hz is hitting the gspot for you? |
| 22:19.57 | MiRai | kullervo: As far as I know, there were some bugs with it, but I think they've recently released a hotfix patch/driver for that |
| 22:21.36 | nevcairiel | its still a bit iffy here and there, but it generally works ok now |
| 22:21.43 | nevcairiel | expect more fixes in newer drivers |
| 22:22.15 | Amarande | GSync seems like a dead end, no matter what nvidia might want to try |
| 22:22.42 | Amarande | particularly with their licence fees compared to freesync, so freesync monitors are going to be a lot cheaper |
| 22:22.44 | nevcairiel | it works perfectly, and they have the marketshare to push whatever they want =p |
| 22:23.16 | Amarande | nevcairiel: the gsync chip adds a substantial cost to the monitor because nvidia demands a significant licence fee for it, much like sli approval for motherboards |
| 22:23.52 | Amarande | except for people who always stick with nvidia every generation, it seems like a bad value-for-money proposition for the prospective purchaser of the monitor |
| 22:23.58 | nevcairiel | if that becomes a serious problem they could juist drop the license fee |
| 22:24.09 | foxlit | out of interest, how much is "substantial"? |
| 22:24.25 | nevcairiel | but right now, it works better than freesync, especially the windowed mode support is an awesome feature |
| 22:24.59 | Amarande | foxlit: according to a PCR article, $80-$100 per monitor |
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| 22:25.17 | nevcairiel | foxlit: in reality, noone can really tell you, as they dont build the same exact monitor with and without the module |
| 22:25.29 | Amarande | maybe a drop in the bucket if you're buying a $1000 luxury screen, but for most of us that's probably a 20-50% cost hike or so |
| 22:27.54 | Amarande | foxlit: http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/amd-our-freesync-gaming-monitors-will-be-100-cheaper-than-nvidia-g-sync/034635 |
| 22:28.11 | nevcairiel | thats an AMD PR piece |
| 22:28.16 | nevcairiel | so take a grain of salt |
| 22:29.24 | nevcairiel | I have seen screen manufacturers be a bit weird with it. For example, Acer I believe was it, they have a 144Hz IPS GSync screen, and a 144Hz TN Freesync screen, obviously the freesync screen is cheaper, but its also inferior. |
| 22:32.59 | Amarande | huh, wonder why they'd make them different like that |
| 22:33.00 | LStranger | I believe I know what happened there... the minimap linked frames are always adjusted when char was mounted/unmounted so tracker is shifted down. The same, I believe, happens when DurabilityFrame appears. |
| 22:33.18 | nevcairiel | Amarande: one theory is, AMD wanted a $100 cheaper screen =P |
| 22:33.21 | Amarande | unless there's some secret sauce in the nvidia agreement that says they can not make the same unit with and without gsync as the only difference, in order to prevent disclosure of the actual prices |
| 22:33.48 | Amarande | given that nvidia seems to love confidentiality more than most national governments ... heh |
| 22:34.01 | nevcairiel | every company does that |
| 22:34.35 | LStranger | so it's apparently impossible to disable those linking of frames unless those adjustemets are all intercepted and overrided. Too bad. |
| 22:35.55 | Amarande | ... and for that matter I'm surprised anyone even still makes tn panels |
| 22:36.07 | Amarande | it's not like ips is all that expensive anymore, and nobody really likes tn |
| 22:36.10 | nevcairiel | gamers like their cheap displays with fast response times |
| 22:36.45 | LStranger | In other words, I cannot unbind questtracker from minimap unless I implement own questtracker frame, and vehicle frame, and durability frame. :( |
| 22:36.46 | kullervo | says nowhere whether the windowed mode gsync works on older cards |
| 22:36.55 | kullervo | like the 780 |
| 22:37.27 | nevcairiel | if it doesnt specify at all, i would assume all gsync capable cards |
| 22:38.19 | LStranger | Well, that big implementation is too much for that simple ReMinimap addon which I've tried to adjust to it. |
| 22:39.53 | Amarande | LStranger: welcome to one of the type of reasons I end up with 40 addons before long whenever I set up my ui |
| 22:39.56 | Amarande | "hey, I want to move X" |
| 22:40.06 | Amarande | "shit, now I need to be able to move Y, Z, and W independently, that's a few more addons there ..." |
| 22:40.15 | LStranger | :) |
| 22:40.42 | Amarande | kullervo: doubt it |
| 22:41.01 | Amarande | kullervo: unlike amd, nvidia is pretty quick to throw their established customers under the bus in order to promote a new arch |
| 22:41.17 | Amarande | like the whole witcher3/hairworks thing ... apparently kepler is even worse off than high end amd cards |
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| 22:57.58 | foxlit | heh, things work, but I don't understand why they work |
| 22:58.31 | nevcairiel | Amarande: they fixed the kepler performance, it was a bug |
| 22:58.55 | nevcairiel | so stop your fanboi lobbyism =p |
| 22:59.48 | nevcairiel | but while we're at it, did you know that the new 300 series of AMD cards actually includes models which do not support Freesync? |
| 23:00.18 | Amarande | yeah, I think the R7 370 doesn't |
| 23:00.35 | nevcairiel | Because they were too lazy to produce new cut-down slow cards, they just recycled 5 year old cards instead, verbatim at that |
| 23:01.31 | Amarande | otoh, performance speaking, the diagonal effect tends to be so marked among generations that it's arguably not all that worth spending the money to make cards with the new silicon but the same performance as the old stuff, hence rebadging |
| 23:01.42 | Amarande | nvidia used to do it too, back in the 8800/9800/200 series days |
| 23:01.47 | nevcairiel | its pretty pathetic to promote a tech like this and then release new models which don't support it. And its not like the lowest-end models dont, which may make sense, but its some mid-range model while both high and low end do |
| 23:01.52 | Amarande | I've lost track of how many G92 cards there are |
| 23:03.39 | Amarande | nevcairiel: actually that happened with nvidia with the 200 series, too |
| 23:03.59 | Amarande | the GTX 260 on up, and the low end GTs (except one OEM model) all had newer tech than the mid card (GTS 250) which was a recycled G92 |
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| 23:04.57 | nevcairiel | everyone recycles to some degree, but this is about freesync in particular. I just find it funny that they didnt even manage to make their entire lineup of new GPUs support it |
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| 23:05.38 | nevcairiel | luckily NVIDIA has mostly stopped the recycling, if anything its in the OEM area (which is weird anyway) and the absolute low-end (which is irrelevant, really, can't expect miracles from those cards) |
| 23:24.09 | kullervo | I wonder why character menu etc close when people leave the group |
| 23:24.39 | kullervo | or join it |
| 23:25.05 | foxlit | well, first you have to think of framexml as a giant bowl of spaghetti. |
| 23:26.17 | foxlit | doing anything at all is roughly equivalent to attempting to pull out a single strand. |
| 23:26.56 | kullervo | typing out /script LeaveParty(); shouldn't be the fastest way to leave an xrealm party D: |
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| 23:30.50 | foxlit | actually, that's weird. The dropdown menu stays open for me. |
| 23:31.23 | foxlit | so probably your addons? |
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