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| 01:04.02 | Gnarfoz | replaces all of Torhal's lamps with sparklers |
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| 02:46.01 | Jamash | Foxlit, can boats go on land? |
| 02:51.08 | Amarande | Jamash: "Rafts like water!" -- Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness, when you try to move landward whilst on said conveyance :) |
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| 04:27.06 | kullervo | "orgrimmar looks odd" |
| 04:27.25 | Jamash | does it now |
| 04:27.30 | kullervo | "OOOH IT'S DAYTIME!! I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING BUT NIGHT!" |
| 04:27.46 | Jamash | :| |
| 04:36.25 | Torhal | I'm not sure what you think you've accomplished with that, Gnarfoz. |
| 04:39.53 | Semlar | he's trying to make it look like an accident |
| 04:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i swear |
| 04:45.37 | Mr_Rabies | i get DCed like half the time i use aviana's feather and move a huge distance |
| 04:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | probably triggering some speedhacking/etc autoboot |
| 04:47.33 | Semlar | maybe you should stop hacking |
| 04:56.18 | phelps | nah, I fly hack all day and don't get DCd |
| 04:56.20 | phelps | so thats not it |
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| 05:01.01 | Dagmar | You need to fix your disk throughput problem |
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| 05:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | disk throughput isn't a problem i don't think |
| 05:16.14 | Mr_Rabies | i get about 150 MB/s or so |
| 05:23.16 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 05:24.07 | Dagmar | I'd do a 'Scan and Repair' on general principle, because I've noted in the past that cache inconsitency can cause the client to bail |
| 05:27.53 | Dagmar | Being unable to load hte map in a timely fashion (for any reason) seems to have the same effect |
| 05:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it's happened since vanilla in various forms |
| 05:30.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a super basic anti-cheat thing |
| 05:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | it used to happen when i was jumping from tree to tree, etc in various parts of vanilla |
| 05:34.42 | nevcairiel | I zoom about with the feather all the time and no problems |
| 05:34.59 | nevcairiel | They even made it slower already, after launch it was faster |
| 05:44.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's mostly when i go a really, really long distance |
| 05:44.56 | Mr_Rabies | it also seems to be tied into terrain angle when i land, too |
| 05:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | if it's a very steep angle it boots me |
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| 07:30.31 | VIad | oh boy foxlit fixed the addon so it works again. can't wait for the alternative UI improvements for those that prefer a list view ^^ |
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| 07:44.46 | VIad | minion question: where is the profile data stored? the app is stored in appdata\local but what about my personal data? |
| 07:45.25 | phelps | in the cloud (tm) |
| 07:45.26 | VIad | it seems to be stuck on "loading wow addons" for ever on me |
| 07:45.38 | VIad | no I mean it remembers my login session and preferences, e.g. |
| 07:45.42 | phelps | must have rained and the cloud gone away |
| 07:47.48 | VIad | think it had something to do with me selecting the wow folder, and not the addons folder earlier. made it scan, but appeared like not doing anything I guess |
| 07:49.36 | phelps | VIad, http://i.imgur.com/qtYVBKQ.png |
| 07:49.45 | phelps | resmon.exe in search |
| 07:49.58 | phelps | you can select a process and view its open files and stuff |
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| 07:50.27 | phelps | I bet that'll show you where its at |
| 07:50.31 | VIad | oh |
| 07:51.06 | VIad | also :D |
| 07:51.13 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1435218659.png |
| 07:51.29 | phelps | that'll work too |
| 07:51.43 | VIad | process hacker is nicer than the default task manager :D |
| 07:51.55 | VIad | I realize the resource monitor is not the task manager too :p |
| 07:52.04 | phelps | not if you ask windows 8 |
| 07:52.08 | VIad | :o |
| 07:52.13 | phelps | it'll have to disagree with you |
| 07:52.24 | VIad | it's separate in w7 |
| 07:52.31 | phelps | i don't even think win10 has the normal task manager |
| 07:52.38 | VIad | I recommend http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:52.48 | phelps | sourceforge saddens me |
| 07:52.52 | VIad | why? |
| 07:53.02 | VIad | got infected with malware? |
| 07:53.41 | phelps | no, I'm not that dumb |
| 07:53.42 | phelps | http://i.imgur.com/O5uM11g.png |
| 07:53.45 | phelps | but rly.. ? |
| 07:54.08 | phelps | and on some projects they want you to use their "installer" |
| 07:54.12 | rid_ | I use process explorer from sysinternals |
| 07:54.20 | rid_ | it's p cool |
| 07:54.22 | phelps | where it downloads the app but also has a trap for people who click too fast |
| 07:54.50 | Semlar | which is why notepad++ stopped hosting at sourceforge |
| 07:55.12 | rid_ | which is why everyone should stop |
| 07:55.34 | VIad | oh that |
| 07:55.51 | phelps | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1jk1gz/sourceforge_starts_using_enhanced_adware/ |
| 07:56.07 | phelps | I ran into one of those about a week ago |
| 07:56.09 | VIad | downloading a downloader is one step closer to downloading fake installers to infect you with malware |
| 07:56.22 | phelps | yeah :/ |
| 07:56.33 | jane | they said they're gonna stop doing that though - but still. |
| 07:56.40 | VIad | does not help the battle when your mother starts downloading everything through exes |
| 07:56.57 | VIad | one way adblock is handy is it blocks the fake download button on sourceforge |
| 07:57.04 | rid_ | should all use chocolatey.org :) |
| 07:57.21 | phelps | i like to support small sites that run ads, so I deal with the large sites that run ads |
| 07:57.27 | VIad | http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/downloads.php direct downloads for me btw |
| 07:57.46 | phelps | it'd be too much work to manually enable/disable on each site |
| 07:57.54 | VIad | you can load your adblock empty |
| 07:57.58 | VIad | and manually add what to block |
| 07:58.03 | phelps | still too much work though |
| 07:58.14 | VIad | there are various lists out there for adblock |
| 07:58.21 | VIad | some are meant to just block harmfull things for instance |
| 07:58.25 | VIad | like the fake download button |
| 07:58.34 | VIad | different degree of blocking on various lists |
| 07:59.19 | VIad | my personal favorite |
| 07:59.23 | VIad | "EasyList without rules for adult sites" |
| 07:59.32 | VIad | don't have to manually unblock your porn |
| 07:59.37 | jane | lol |
| 07:59.49 | phelps | I'd rather have easylist with JUST rules for adault sites |
| 08:00.08 | VIad | then that milf around the corner won't show up |
| 08:00.35 | phelps | i wonder if those actually work |
| 08:00.37 | phelps | even just once |
| 08:00.39 | VIad | :D |
| 08:00.44 | VIad | let's try - maybe it does work |
| 08:00.46 | VIad | just no one tries |
| 08:01.30 | phelps | now I'm sad |
| 08:01.39 | phelps | because I thought of the lonely guy who clicked it |
| 08:01.42 | phelps | signed up with his CC |
| 08:01.47 | phelps | and didn't get laid |
| 08:02.04 | phelps | he prob paid for a few months too |
| 08:02.13 | phelps | checking his email every couple hours |
| 08:02.47 | phelps | if you're not ugly, craigslist is actually the best place to go for that |
| 08:02.55 | VIad | lol |
| 08:03.07 | phelps | not ugly being very important |
| 08:03.10 | VIad | one did find someone to eat on craigslist a while ago so |
| 08:03.23 | VIad | cannibal seeking food |
| 08:03.43 | VIad | apparently illegal even if the food does agree to be eaten |
| 08:03.55 | phelps | so much for freedom |
| 08:03.58 | jane | craigslist can be tricky :/ |
| 08:04.02 | phelps | fuckin merica |
| 08:04.14 | phelps | can't even eat willing meals |
| 08:04.43 | phelps | we'll butcher 100k cows a day tho |
| 08:04.53 | phelps | thats a random number, its prob a lot larger than that |
| 08:05.10 | VIad | one million cows per day |
| 08:06.45 | phelps | checks out, about 1m a day |
| 08:06.56 | phelps | now I'm even more sad |
| 08:07.01 | VIad | check out how much food is thrown away because expiration dates and what not |
| 08:07.18 | VIad | in norway like 200k bread thrown away due to various reasons |
| 08:07.25 | VIad | that is a lot considering the population :p |
| 08:08.11 | phelps | but I donated to charity water 4 years ago |
| 08:08.12 | phelps | so its ok |
| 08:08.27 | phelps | im not a bad human you see |
| 08:09.07 | phelps | its 3am |
| 08:09.12 | phelps | would you look at that |
| 08:11.41 | phelps | yeah see, this list of non-intrusive advertising |
| 08:11.50 | phelps | is just people who asked to have their domain whitelisted |
| 08:12.03 | phelps | which might be 1% of the sites I visit |
| 08:12.21 | phelps | EasyList blocks too much |
| 08:13.51 | VIad | I agree |
| 08:14.06 | VIad | also imo the adblock should work differently too |
| 08:14.20 | VIad | like semi-loading system where ads load in the background so it registers |
| 08:14.24 | VIad | but doesnt show |
| 08:14.44 | VIad | that way it would register a load and view but not display on your end so you would still support the sites you visit |
| 08:15.09 | VIad | some sort of option to whitelist a domain to load ads in the background basically |
| 08:15.37 | phelps | that would prob violate rules set by advertisers |
| 08:15.44 | phelps | and it'd get shot down in court real fast |
| 08:16.09 | phelps | since companies would be paying for ad views and not actually get them |
| 08:19.01 | Gnarfoz | Torkelt |
| 08:19.07 | Gnarfoz | Right. |
| 08:19.24 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: clearly, I've made your life more sparkly |
| 08:20.06 | VIad | phelps: can't seem to please anyone |
| 08:28.01 | phelps | I can't find a list that only blocks the really annoying stuff |
| 08:28.09 | phelps | since that is being served by google now too |
| 08:28.54 | phelps | I just want Easylist on a blacklist instead of whitelist |
| 08:29.37 | phelps | (and it be 1 click to blacklist) |
| 08:29.41 | phelps | thats the part that isn't possible |
| 08:30.27 | phelps | oh well, I'll deal with annoying ads |
| 08:59.50 | Simca | <VIad> oh boy foxlit fixed the addon so it works again. can't wait for the alternative UI improvements for those that prefer a list view ^^ |
| 09:01.02 | Simca | it sort of works, Vlad. about 90% of normal functionality + several new bugs. it tries to send boats on normal garrison missions. it also tries to retrieve follower ilvl for boats which throws errors all over. |
| 09:01.44 | Simca | pretty confident he'll fully fix it soon though, those are very simple bugs to fix (there is a followertype function that returns 1 for people and 2 for boats) |
| 09:03.46 | Semlar | it what |
| 09:04.13 | Semlar | how would it even attempt to send a boat on a follower mission |
| 09:06.27 | Semlar | what does that look like |
| 09:07.23 | Semlar | mine doesn't do that :( |
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| 09:29.34 | Constie | I guess Hearthstone still has the occasional graphical glitch. http://i.imgur.com/rOvVFUk.jpg |
| 09:29.56 | VIad | o |
| 09:30.10 | stuf | minor issues |
| 09:36.36 | bluspacecow | Constie: I get the the bug where the end turn button doesnât fit properly back into itâs cradle. So i canât click to end turn :( |
| 09:37.45 | Constie | I wonder if that's what happened to my opponent a few days ago. The game took like 25 minutes because they never clicked end turn. |
| 09:38.32 | Constie | That or they were trying to troll me, but that seems inefficient. |
| 09:39.12 | bluspacecow | @semlar http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/3azxj1/master_plan_update_is_out_check_your_curse_client/cshpouy |
| 09:39.33 | bluspacecow | i go off into the frosty night to go to teh gym. bai for now |
| 09:39.52 | Constie | Sleeping at the gym? Weird. |
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| 10:55.07 | VIad | uh oh! http://ss.bool.no/capture_1435229692.png |
| 10:55.42 | nevcairiel | Thats what you get for a butt ugly default ui skin |
| 10:56.37 | VIad | I am pretty sure addons shouldn't crash the game like that |
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| 11:55.07 | nebula169 | having a currency item ("currency:xxx" hyperlink) in vendors breaking all my addons that read merchant items z.z |
| 11:59.48 | Torhal | Clearly, Gnarfoz needs a Sparkle Pony. |
| 12:09.29 | Simca | nebula169: all addons that read items have to be updated |
| 12:09.50 | nebula169 | not really, if you're only pulling the itemid like most things do, it's fine |
| 12:09.53 | Simca | tons of mine are still 6.1 and throw error after error because they don't understand the item string format changed |
| 12:10.11 | Simca | itemID is pretty useless without bonusID |
| 12:11.09 | nevcairiel | If you're not dealing with gear its fine |
| 12:11.17 | nebula169 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.44 | Simca | Auctionator was throwing several errors at me, so was Altoholic's storage modules |
| 12:11.58 | Simca | both are addons that would care about bonusIDs |
| 12:17.19 | znf | cares about Simca |
| 12:17.34 | nebula169 | only error i've gotten from altoholic was currency on a vendor, don't think i've gotten anything new yet that would have it store the new itemlink though |
| 12:18.01 | Simca | I had to disable Datastore_Garrisons, it was very unhappy with the garrison mission API updates |
| 12:18.11 | znf | is unhappy with Simca |
| 12:18.57 | nebula169 | yea, that's true |
| 12:21.49 | Simca | I did the two quests for the Apexis Gemcutter Construct in Tanaan (JC profession quests) but he never showed up in my garrison. I wonder if I have to do something more |
| 12:22.53 | nevcairiel | Is he supposed to? |
| 12:23.08 | nebula169 | don't think so |
| 12:23.15 | nevcairiel | I figured you have to go to him |
| 12:23.26 | nebula169 | you just have a chance when having him cut stuff to learn it yourself |
| 12:24.28 | nevcairiel | Which is kinda stupid with these recipes, I can probably count the number of large gems I built before, and the even larger ones won't be any morr |
| 12:31.41 | Simca | yeah |
| 12:38.15 | Simca | ah, I see. Altoholic's storage modules use four custom versions of LibPeriodicTable, all of which can't handle the new item strings |
| 12:39.11 | Simca | http://i.imgur.com/nfS9gom.jpg |
| 12:39.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.25 | Simca | I've never seen it suggest boats, but it is definitely not ignoring them properly. when every follower is on a mission, it will leave missions ungrayed out (as if I had more followers to send) as long as I have boats that aren't on missions |
| 12:41.04 | Simca | so whatever API it is using for the number of followers available is a problem |
| 12:41.33 | foxlit | that one is boring. |
| 12:47.12 | foxlit | (it counts ships when it shouldn't, but that has absolutely nothing to do with group suggestions) |
| 12:47.55 | Simca | a couple people reported reinstalling and wiping saved variables for master plan fixed it for them, but it could be coincidence |
| 12:49.49 | foxlit | I'm inclined to think that restarting wow is more likely to help than messing with SVs. |
| 12:50.36 | foxlit | (and reinstalling seems entirely redundant unless you somehow messed up the original install to begin with, but surely that couldn't happen, as all previous versions just said "incompatible" and refused to do anything?) |
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| 13:13.25 | Maldivia | holy... WB has suspended sales of Batman Arkham Knight on PC, until they can fix the performance issues?! |
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| 13:16.04 | Kalroth | there's a certain console porting software house that wont be used again, i hope |
| 13:18.17 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:18.54 | Fisker | They'll reform under a new name and they'll be used again |
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| 13:26.31 | foxlit | okay, optional prefix arguments are evil. |
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| 13:40.35 | VIad | I found a celestial tournament exploit |
| 13:41.16 | VIad | you can teleport out by using the timeless trinket :P |
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| 13:52.34 | fewyn | well that's an interesting thing to wake up to... having a company call me wanting me to come in for an interview today |
| 13:52.54 | VIad | did you even apply? |
| 13:53.09 | fewyn | i wasn't /sure/ until after the call but yes |
| 13:53.19 | fewyn | i wasn't functioning at 100% |
| 13:53.24 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:53.25 | VIad | :D |
| 13:53.43 | fewyn | they asked me some questions and i answered them all correctly i think |
| 13:53.47 | fewyn | it's for a help desk gig |
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| 14:08.50 | Kowh | Does the company name begin with A? If you ended up applying where I work the small world concept gets that much smaller. :P |
| 14:09.42 | fewyn | yes? |
| 14:09.56 | fewyn | stares at Kowh |
| 14:10.31 | Kowh | Internet stuff? |
| 14:10.49 | fewyn | are you in ohio Kowh? |
| 14:11.09 | Kowh | I'm in Toronto, but we have an office in PA |
| 14:11.31 | fewyn | i think this company is only in ohio it's a consulting agency |
| 14:11.41 | Kowh | If it's in Ohio, we can safely go back to normal. |
| 14:11.47 | fewyn | yeah |
| 14:11.47 | Kowh | Ah, then no. |
| 14:11.54 | fewyn | it does start with an A though! |
| 14:12.00 | fewyn | but there's only 27 letters |
| 14:12.04 | fewyn | so it's bound to come up |
| 14:12.10 | Kowh | A is probably over-represented |
| 14:12.12 | fewyn | also it'd be listed first in the dictionary |
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| 14:12.40 | fewyn | if you've ever wondered why a lot of companys start with the letter A that's why |
| 14:13.37 | jaxdahl | Aaaardvark |
| 14:14.31 | Kowh | We deal with a lot of internet based companies, I've seen a bunch with names like !!!Company. |
| 14:17.25 | Kowh | At all interested in PA based positions? Could toss you the link to the list of openings. |
| 14:17.40 | fewyn | unless you offer relocation it's probably a deal breaker |
| 14:18.07 | fewyn | i'd take pretty much anything atm |
| 14:18.09 | Kowh | Not for help desk, I'd think, alas. |
| 14:18.32 | fewyn | my savings has gone kaput while i was unemployed |
| 14:18.39 | fewyn | s/was/am |
| 14:19.11 | Kowh | It's not out of the question, but there's likely lots of competition for HD openings. |
| 14:19.20 | fewyn | yeah i know |
| 14:19.26 | fewyn | which is disappointing |
| 14:19.37 | fewyn | i'll keep looking around here |
| 14:21.36 | Kowh | US office is over by Philly too, so it's definitely not near you. |
| 14:39.06 | Lopeppeppy | The internet is for kittehs. |
| 14:40.29 | VIad | I'd say there is more porn than kittehs sadly |
| 14:42.04 | Kowh | There's a lot that's both at the same time. http://indifferent-cats-in-amateur-porn.tumblr.com/ (NSFW, duh) |
| 14:43.01 | VIad | there were a lot of sexy kittens I wanted to play with on that |
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| 15:10.23 | karl_w_w | so cinderella was actually a pretty good movie |
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| 15:30.43 | VIad | shouldn't the harbor be a resting area too? |
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| 15:35.26 | Verxion | anyone alive in here? |
| 15:42.44 | VIad | I am, Verxion |
| 15:43.00 | Verxion | howdy Vlad! :) |
| 15:43.10 | VIad | hai. how can I bee a pain in the ass for you? |
| 15:43.11 | Verxion | Do you know of any active channels on any irc server to talk about WoW? |
| 15:43.19 | Verxion | I'm back to the game after quitting in 2008 |
| 15:43.31 | Verxion | and I have a lot of questions, but obviously they aren't about uidev, so... |
| 15:43.45 | VIad | some of these guys can probably be conversed with about wow. alternative wowhead irc channel, but other than that unsure tbh. |
| 15:43.58 | VIad | you can talk to Semlar :P |
| 15:45.43 | bluspacecow | *WORGEN OBNOXIOUS SNIFF SNIFF SNIFF* |
| 15:45.56 | VIad | you are a space cow, not a dog |
| 15:46.12 | Verxion | well one thing I'm wondering about are mods |
| 15:46.28 | Verxion | I used to use a quest mod that was awesome to show me where to go for quests, etc. |
| 15:47.07 | Verxion | also I had a SPECTACULAR mod for healing that had squares for each person in the group or raid or whatever, and you could just hover your mouse over the square to cast spells on the target |
| 15:47.08 | bluspacecow | *licks Vlad* |
| 15:48.52 | VIad | healbot for healing probably |
| 15:49.05 | VIad | quest mod well the game changed a bit so nearly all quests have arrows these days |
| 15:49.50 | Verxion | oh that is good vlad |
| 15:50.00 | Verxion | ok, then the other bit I'd like to know |
| 15:50.09 | Verxion | I used to quest my way to level up, all solo |
| 15:50.23 | Verxion | my druid is level 80, so I need to get 20 levels |
| 15:50.28 | Verxion | back in the day, that would have been eons |
| 15:50.36 | Verxion | is questing still the fastest way to level up? |
| 15:50.54 | Verxion | and if so, where should I go to begin my questing at level 80? |
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| 15:51.47 | VIad | questing is good. dungeons might be slower, but I would say do a bit of both. can always queue while questing. for speed if you got any heirlooms it would help |
| 15:52.21 | VIad | playing on US? |
| 15:52.26 | nevcairiel | Dungeons are faster until 90 IMHO. And the game tells you where to go |
| 15:52.48 | VIad | my lowest level is 93 so I can't say how it is to level below WOD atm :p |
| 15:52.57 | nevcairiel | If in doubt, go see the task board in stormwind/og |
| 15:53.47 | nevcairiel | With 80 you probably want hyjal |
| 15:53.53 | VIad | VASHJIR |
| 15:53.57 | VIad | no one likes it but me |
| 15:54.06 | VIad | design wise hyjal any day |
| 15:54.17 | VIad | firelands requires hyjal progress for instance |
| 15:54.25 | VIad | kind of made hyjal the go to zone |
| 15:54.37 | VIad | though vashjir is less populated because hyjal, depends if you are being ganked I guess |
| 15:55.24 | Verxion | yes, on US |
| 15:55.25 | nevcairiel | Right now both zones are empty :P |
| 15:55.34 | VIad | even with cross realm stuff? |
| 15:55.41 | VIad | last time I was in hyjal I saw someone ganking lowbies :p |
| 15:56.15 | Verxion | I do not miss the ganking |
| 15:56.29 | Verxion | but I play a druid, so I can at least make it a little less obvious where I am for some percentage of the time |
| 15:56.36 | bluspacecow | BANNANA! |
| 15:56.52 | VIad | I'd boost you if on EU |
| 15:56.55 | VIad | got an hour to "kill" |
| 15:57.05 | nevcairiel | There is no effective boosting |
| 15:57.21 | VIad | can do each dungeon once for the quests and loot |
| 15:57.27 | VIad | so he wont have to wait for queues |
| 15:57.30 | Kowh | Running people through dungeon quests still works |
| 15:57.34 | Verxion | well I'm at work now anyway, so couldn't do the boosting even if it worked. :) |
| 15:57.51 | Kowh | Even without boosting those quests are the fastest way to level |
| 15:57.51 | VIad | also level 99-100 takes like 4-5 skyreach boosts |
| 15:58.03 | Verxion | skyreach? Is that a dungeon? |
| 15:58.11 | VIad | wod dungeon |
| 15:58.22 | Verxion | ok |
| 15:58.28 | Kowh | For 90+ I'd do the quests anyways, you unlock followers and such. |
| 15:58.36 | Verxion | now another item that I'm really fretting out of ignorance |
| 15:58.44 | Verxion | for review - I haven't played since 2008... |
| 15:58.49 | VIad | I wouldn't boost for 90+ dungeons dont work like that |
| 15:59.02 | Verxion | My bags and bank are like 85% full of soulbound gear |
| 15:59.04 | Kowh | And you quickly get tired of the dungeons for 90+ if you try to level by repeating them |
| 15:59.25 | Verxion | I completely understand that "it should all be almost instantly replaced with better gear from quests, etc." |
| 15:59.28 | VIad | wod dungeons are so boring to rerun |
| 15:59.41 | Verxion | but I'm worried about killing stuff that I might regret later |
| 16:00.24 | Verxion | so I guess my question is - how can I tell if I might want to save something? |
| 16:00.29 | Kowh | Anything that's not over ilvl 630 is going to be replaced pretty quickly at 100 |
| 16:00.43 | VIad | you mean anything below 600 is going to be replaced quickly |
| 16:00.51 | Verxion | I mean, I have specialized trinkets for things like walking on water |
| 16:00.57 | VIad | I'd say 630 is aiming a bit high, quests barely reward 600 ilvl stuff :p |
| 16:01.10 | Kowh | VIad: Tanaan |
| 16:01.11 | Verxion | breathing underwater for 3 minutes at a time |
| 16:01.11 | Verxion | etc. |
| 16:01.18 | VIad | right, forgot about that |
| 16:01.27 | VIad | you breathe for 3 min under water by default |
| 16:01.31 | VIad | or 4 |
| 16:01.46 | Verxion | In looking at my stuff last night, I think my item levels were 300 or under for the most part |
| 16:01.51 | Verxion | though I didn't look at everything |
| 16:02.20 | Verxion | I mean, I'm just so confused about how to really get started. I used to dual spec, and LOVED it |
| 16:02.26 | Verxion | sounds like I can't even do that anymore |
| 16:02.34 | Kowh | Anything <90 is going to be replaced right away at 90 too |
| 16:02.36 | Verxion | so my gear may not be remotely like I need it now |
| 16:02.40 | Kowh | Xpac inflation |
| 16:02.44 | VIad | just quest naked |
| 16:03.02 | Verxion | that is the other thing, I've got mostly all 20 slot bags |
| 16:03.21 | Verxion | I've got about 1400 gold I think |
| 16:03.31 | VIad | ouch |
| 16:03.33 | Verxion | from what I heard, the heirloom stuff is priced way out of what I have |
| 16:03.39 | Kowh | That's pocket change these days, yeah |
| 16:03.40 | VIad | yes |
| 16:03.41 | Verxion | well dude, that USED to be a lot, back in 2008 |
| 16:03.42 | Verxion | seriously |
| 16:03.49 | VIad | 1400 gold is like HALF epic gem for 100 |
| 16:04.03 | VIad | can buy a blue one :) |
| 16:04.28 | Verxion | lol |
| 16:04.31 | VIad | you get around 10k gold for mop and wod combined from questing, if not more so dont worry |
| 16:04.34 | Verxion | yeah, this is the sort of thing that depresses me |
| 16:04.48 | VIad | just quest and hop to next zone when you got the level if you want to level quick |
| 16:05.02 | VIad | do the <90 dungeons once for the quest xp inside |
| 16:05.56 | Kowh | Don't worry about eq really, it's not important until WoD, and then the quests will make sure you get outfitted. |
| 16:05.59 | Verxion | Can any of you give me a rough estimate on the 26 slot bag pricing? |
| 16:06.22 | Verxion | I was hoping to buy one or two of them, but I dunno if 1400 gold will be enough |
| 16:06.42 | Kowh | Bag space isn't as important as it once was |
| 16:06.46 | Verxion | (I completely realize realms will have different prices) |
| 16:06.58 | Verxion | kowh: Well I did the reagent thing in the bank, so that DID help |
| 16:07.14 | Kowh | Yeah, do that and you don't really need much in the way of bag space |
| 16:07.18 | Verxion | mainly I'm hoping to avoid wholesale nuking all my stuff and missing something I'll end up wishing I had kept |
| 16:07.26 | Kowh | Just shove it in your bank |
| 16:07.45 | Verxion | well back when I was playing, I had a set of tanking, healing, dps, pvp gear, plus odds and ends that were useful from time to time |
| 16:07.53 | Verxion | so I'm pretty much full up with soulbound stuff right now |
| 16:07.53 | Kesava | gaaaaah |
| 16:08.05 | Verxion | yeah |
| 16:08.16 | Verxion | <---- druid |
| 16:08.35 | Kowh | If the gear doesn't have any special abilities, and doesn't look interesting (transmog), just vendor it I'd say. |
| 16:08.43 | Kowh | That should free up a bunch of space |
| 16:08.53 | Verxion | not worth it to disenchant? |
| 16:09.17 | Kowh | Not really. DE stuff that isn't from the current xpac doesn't sell very well |
| 16:09.18 | Verxion | Also, I thought I had remembered some kind of app from blizzard for iphone/ipad that let you see your character |
| 16:09.27 | Verxion | I couldn't find it in the app store though |
| 16:09.30 | Kowh | There's a WoW armory app, yeah |
| 16:09.32 | Verxion | armory or some such |
| 16:09.49 | VIad | I wish they'd make EU/US realid friends work :( |
| 16:09.59 | Kowh | https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=321057000&mt=8 |
| 16:10.35 | Kowh | You're also going to want https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/battle.net-mobile-authenticator/id306862897?mt=8 |
| 16:11.02 | Verxion | I have the authenticator |
| 16:11.11 | Verxion | but like I literally searched for wow armory and got nothing |
| 16:11.24 | Verxion | I even went to hearthstone, then had it show me blizzard's other apps |
| 16:11.27 | Verxion | didn't have armory |
| 16:11.30 | Verxion | thanks for the link |
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| 16:12.27 | Kowh | I can see it not turning up for "wow", Blizz doesn't use that officially, but should have been findable via Hearthstone |
| 16:13.04 | Kowh | Maybe you were looking at ipad apps and it's only listed as an iphone app? |
| 16:13.33 | Verxion | lol, armory says my character is unavailable due to a long period of inactivity |
| 16:13.34 | Verxion | oh well |
| 16:13.48 | Verxion | I dunno, but your link got it for me |
| 16:13.52 | Verxion | so I'm very thankful |
| 16:14.00 | Verxion | hopefully it will eventually work for my characters, lol |
| 16:14.33 | Kowh | Took two months for it to work for me after server transferring my main. :P |
| 16:14.53 | Kowh | And support is useless for all things armory |
| 16:15.15 | Kowh | "Wait and it should appear." |
| 16:15.20 | Verxion | hah, just searched auction house for bags for levels 70-100 |
| 16:15.23 | Verxion | got nothing in the armory app |
| 16:15.37 | Kowh | Bags aren't level restricted |
| 16:15.39 | Kowh | Generally |
| 16:15.42 | Verxion | oh, ok |
| 16:15.51 | VIad | they are money restricted |
| 16:16.01 | Kowh | They have ilvls, but the char levels will all show up as 0 I think |
| 16:16.14 | VIad | I just sortby slots on the AH ingame |
| 16:16.41 | Kowh | You can just list everything in the bag category without any search term |
| 16:17.06 | Kowh | Sort by price descending and you'll find the names for the higher bags and can then search for just those |
| 16:17.38 | Verxion | ok, so it shows illusory bag costing 1500 gold |
| 16:17.38 | Kowh | Also marvel at just how many overpriced bags there are in the AH. :P |
| 16:17.43 | Verxion | so... yeah. |
| 16:18.00 | Kowh | If you feel rich in the real world you could buy a token |
| 16:18.10 | Verxion | yeah, I saw that |
| 16:18.11 | Kowh | $20 will get you 25k-ish gold |
| 16:18.17 | Verxion | 25 bucks for 26k gold or thereabouts |
| 16:18.21 | Verxion | oh $20? |
| 16:18.25 | Verxion | I must have remembered wrong |
| 16:18.35 | Verxion | I saw it last night and kind of boggled and moved on |
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| 16:19.15 | Kowh | Time vs money, if it seems like a giant waste to you then you likely have more time than money. :) |
| 16:19.28 | Verxion | I hear you |
| 16:19.42 | Verxion | maybe I just need to suck it up and nuke my soulbounds, lol |
| 16:19.48 | Verxion | so tell me |
| 16:19.58 | Kowh | Could use the void storage |
| 16:20.08 | VIad | I'd do a bag cleanup tbh |
| 16:20.18 | Verxion | in Diablo, they've always had things where an OLD item, maybe one that is usually considered crappy could be UNBELIEVABLE in certain builds |
| 16:20.19 | VIad | sell all the rings, trinkets, old unsellable rings and trinkets from events. |
| 16:20.32 | Verxion | to the point that you might end up absolutely HAVING to have a level 1 item just to make a given build viable |
| 16:20.34 | Kowh | But yeah, you're not going to have any use for all that eq except possibly transmog |
| 16:20.39 | Verxion | does WoW have that kind of thing? |
| 16:20.40 | fewyn | man umbrellas are expensive |
| 16:20.43 | Kowh | No |
| 16:20.57 | Verxion | well I quite literally don't and never have cared about how my gear looks |
| 16:20.57 | fewyn | locate stores are charging like 20$ for the cheap crappy ones |
| 16:20.59 | Verxion | form over function |
| 16:21.19 | Verxion | er, function over form I guess. :) |
| 16:21.31 | Kowh | Get a Senz. Even more expensive, but you'll never break it at least. :D |
| 16:21.58 | Verxion | I had the top DPS huntard back in the burning crusade and I had some blues on and my gear was all hodge podge looking |
| 16:22.09 | Verxion | (on my realm mind you) |
| 16:22.17 | Kowh | Verxion: Gear just gives stats up until you get tier gear, really. |
| 16:22.29 | Verxion | right, but I have tier gear |
| 16:22.35 | Kowh | There's the odd useful trinket ability, but nothing that outweighs stats |
| 16:22.40 | Kowh | Current tier |
| 16:22.44 | Verxion | ok |
| 16:22.46 | Verxion | fair enough |
| 16:22.50 | Kowh | Greens outweigh old tier within 5 levels |
| 16:23.08 | Verxion | this is actually probably the single most helpful thing I could learn from you guys, so I'm thankful for that |
| 16:23.32 | Verxion | ok, then next up, can someone give me an idea of a good druid leveling spec and gear guide? |
| 16:23.48 | VIad | tank if you plan to do any dungeons on the way imo |
| 16:23.48 | Kowh | icy veins |
| 16:23.52 | Verxion | ie, not specific gear PIECES, just what stats I should use in current patch so I can pick and choose from my gear then nuke the rest |
| 16:24.05 | Verxion | man I really hate tank... |
| 16:24.14 | Kowh | http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/guardian-druid-pve-tank-stat-priority |
| 16:24.20 | VIad | you can go kitteh |
| 16:24.23 | Kowh | What about healing? |
| 16:24.31 | Verxion | I -love- healing |
| 16:24.35 | Verxion | absolutely frigging LOVE it |
| 16:24.36 | VIad | ugh for leveling quests? |
| 16:24.38 | Kowh | Tanks get instant pops, heals get fast pops, DPS get 15m+ waits |
| 16:24.41 | Verxion | no, not for leveling |
| 16:24.46 | Verxion | for leveling, I've always gone cat |
| 16:24.54 | Kowh | DPS for questing, yeah, always. |
| 16:25.03 | Kowh | But for leveling via dungeons DPS is the slowest |
| 16:25.09 | Verxion | ok |
| 16:25.15 | Verxion | well I was never a particularly awesome tank |
| 16:25.27 | Kowh | That said, you can quest while waiting for queue pops |
| 16:25.27 | Verxion | also, being the tank, you end up with the largest repair bill |
| 16:25.34 | Kowh | So it's not like it's horrible to level as dps |
| 16:25.36 | VIad | gold is not a issue |
| 16:25.41 | VIad | has never been :P |
| 16:25.43 | Verxion | vlad, how is this the case? |
| 16:25.44 | Kowh | Repair bills are a non-issue now |
| 16:25.48 | Verxion | really? |
| 16:25.58 | Verxion | that used to be nightmarish if you got really bad groups |
| 16:26.05 | Kowh | Yeah, that got nerfed ages ago |
| 16:26.06 | Verxion | I mean, PLEASE, remember, all my info is SEVEN years old now... |
| 16:26.26 | VIad | times change |
| 16:26.33 | Verxion | so I could go and do instances as a tank |
| 16:26.35 | Kowh | I think a full from broken repair for me is 500g maybe? |
| 16:26.37 | Verxion | die a lot from bad groups |
| 16:26.44 | Verxion | and not die from the repair bills? |
| 16:26.54 | Verxion | kowh: Ok, so how much gold would I get in a full instance run? |
| 16:26.54 | VIad | Kowh: one garrison gold mission with my treasure hunters :D |
| 16:26.55 | Kowh | You make that up in a single dungeon |
| 16:26.59 | Verxion | enough to pay for that full repair? |
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| 16:27.04 | Kowh | More than |
| 16:27.08 | Verxion | ok, wow |
| 16:27.13 | Verxion | HELPFUL! :) |
| 16:27.16 | VIad | at 100 you can run old raids for 1-2k gold per run |
| 16:27.21 | VIad | cata+ raids |
| 16:27.32 | Verxion | vlad - solo? |
| 16:27.33 | VIad | depends if you get drops you can AH too |
| 16:27.33 | Kowh | Between dropped gold, vendoring equipment, and dungeon quest rewards. |
| 16:27.35 | VIad | es |
| 16:27.53 | Verxion | ok, I like the sound of that a lot better |
| 16:27.56 | Kowh | You can easy solo anything from cata or earlier |
| 16:28.07 | Kowh | Panda stuff you can solo everything except raids trivially |
| 16:28.14 | Kowh | And raids can be soloed too, just not trivially |
| 16:28.38 | Kowh | Mostly blood DKs and other such munchkins doing that. :) |
| 16:28.44 | Amarande | Verxion: partly IIRC they raised the durability of all armour so that it was the same as plate |
| 16:28.51 | VIad | I just soloed the first raid in mop for fun |
| 16:28.57 | Amarande | so everyone gets the same repair bill per armour-damaging event now |
| 16:29.15 | Amarande | tanks probably do get a little more of a repair bill still, but that's only because they're getting hit more often, not because plate is more costly on death |
| 16:29.51 | Verxion | ok, that is excellent |
| 16:29.57 | Kowh | Dungeons will likely be easier than you remember |
| 16:30.02 | Kowh | So you won't wipe as much |
| 16:30.44 | VIad | not if you are the tank with the brain |
| 16:30.45 | Verxion | then it sounds like I need to find a good druid tank dps build |
| 16:30.51 | Kowh | Not trivial, PUGs can still wipe you of course, but it's like being slightly overgeared all the time. |
| 16:30.51 | VIad | when I did dungeons on alts as dps oh lord |
| 16:31.06 | Verxion | I'm an OK tank, never been a good tank |
| 16:31.12 | Verxion | always been an excellent healer though |
| 16:31.34 | Verxion | my main issue is that I won't know ANY of the dungeons and to succeed as a tank, you NEED to know the fights |
| 16:31.36 | Kowh | You'll run into the odd horrible tank, but mostly healing leveling dungeons is easy |
| 16:31.38 | Verxion | which is a lot of research to do well |
| 16:31.42 | Amarande | I did decent last time I tried a pally tank, I find that DK tanking, to take a quote from Bart Simpson's soapbox race, to "handle like a shopping cart" |
| 16:31.53 | Amarande | haven't really tried warrior, monk, or druid tanking |
| 16:31.55 | Kowh | Although cata dungeons are a large spike when moving on from LK |
| 16:32.21 | Amarande | there is one pally glyph I will never understand the positive purpose of |
| 16:32.38 | Amarande | it's one that turns consecrate into a target-circle based drop instead of being point-blank around you |
| 16:32.39 | Kowh | Combo of mechanics you actually have to pay attention to plus people still with cata gear on. |
| 16:33.01 | VIad | pvp maybe? |
| 16:33.06 | Amarande | ... and I'm thinking ... "dude if I wanted things to be clunky like that I would have played a DK" LOL |
| 16:33.14 | Kowh | Needing to know the fights is less of a requirement than you'd think |
| 16:33.31 | Amarande | (seriously that's the main thing that grinds my gears about DK tanking, is the interruption of play flow that comes from having to stop to place the Death & Decay reticle) |
| 16:33.35 | Kowh | You can tank and spank your way through most of it, and you'll be running with old hats all the time so you can just ask. |
| 16:33.47 | Kowh | "Haven't tanked this boss before, anything I need to know?" |
| 16:34.15 | Verxion | well "back in the day" that usually resulted in a kick from the group, lol |
| 16:34.28 | VIad | now you can quickly look at the journal and see the tanking highlights |
| 16:34.33 | Verxion | people were very much "you need to know this without needing to ask questions or yer out!" |
| 16:34.38 | Kowh | Blackrock Caverns is an exception though |
| 16:35.06 | Kowh | Bosses in there like to stomp all over tanks who don't know fights. |
| 16:35.37 | Kowh | So of course it's likely going to be the first dungeon people tank when they get to cata content |
| 16:36.26 | Kowh | Recall, with PUGs you have an extremely low bar to pass |
| 16:36.50 | Verxion | true, I was in a very pro guild |
| 16:36.57 | Kowh | If you raided at all in the past, you likely won't even register to most people |
| 16:37.05 | Verxion | ok |
| 16:37.08 | Kowh | They expect pugs to suck |
| 16:37.39 | Kowh | And the tuning is way easier than LK heroics were back in the day |
| 16:37.43 | Verxion | so what would you recommend for an 80 druid with level 70 gear (I did a pandaria level jump in 2013) to do first? |
| 16:37.44 | Verxion | questing? |
| 16:37.53 | Verxion | then after I get items from quests, to PUG instances? |
| 16:38.39 | Verxion | Main reason I loved healing was that for me, for the MOST part, I could EASILY keep the tanks alive and toss HoT's on other people that got stupid |
| 16:38.51 | Verxion | most fights the most I'd have to do was move out of an AoE |
| 16:39.00 | Kowh | As a healer you could probably get away with way lower gear than other roles, but 70 is a bit much |
| 16:39.03 | Verxion | so it was just really simple for me, I could almost sleep |
| 16:39.16 | Verxion | right, I agree, hence my question. :) |
| 16:39.32 | Verxion | I don't THINK the 70-80 bump gave me any different gear |
| 16:39.35 | Kowh | Probably some gear you can buy cheap from sone vendor |
| 16:39.36 | Verxion | I'm not certain though |
| 16:39.38 | Kowh | *some |
| 16:39.46 | Amarande | yeah, balancing dungeons in the age of automatic dungeon finders is not an easy task |
| 16:39.57 | Verxion | someone just tossed me an invite and I figured I'd do it to save myself some leveling later on if I ever played again |
| 16:40.07 | Kowh | For the most part, healing will still be like that. |
| 16:40.15 | Unkle | Padndaria zone vendors had some decent greens which will get you enough gear to crunch some dungeons. |
| 16:40.33 | Amarande | if you try to make them classic hard, either dungeon finder groups practically never succeed (basically any FFXIV EX primal except maybe Garuda ...) |
| 16:40.40 | Kowh | Blackrock Caverns likely won't, but as I said it's an exception. |
| 16:40.45 | Amarande | or else people just stop using the dungeon finder altogether (e.g., level 60 hardmodes in SW:TOR) |
| 16:40.47 | Verxion | Unkle: Would 1400 gold be enough to buy said gear? |
| 16:40.53 | Unkle | Yeah. |
| 16:40.58 | jleclanche | foxlit: how come the 2nd treasure hunter icon is grayed out? http://i.imgur.com/096IINW.png |
| 16:41.00 | Verxion | ok, cool |
| 16:41.18 | Amarande | Verxion: there's a catch-up greens vendor on Hyjal for getting basic equipment for Cata |
| 16:41.32 | Verxion | wow, that is amazing |
| 16:41.35 | Amarande | although since stat squish it's a lot less useful than it was |
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| 16:41.39 | Verxion | what level is Cata for? |
| 16:41.43 | Amarande | 80-85 |
| 16:41.48 | Verxion | perfect then! |
| 16:42.06 | Amarande | though on the player market otoh 1400 gold is basically peanuts anymore |
| 16:42.29 | Verxion | ok, so I can just buy catch up greens in Hyjal using the stat priorities from here then? http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/guardian-druid-pve-tank-stat-priority |
| 16:42.32 | Amarande | I'm not sure if the token has worsened AH inflation any, or if it's just the usual "each expansion prices go up because we raise quest rewards through the roof" |
| 16:42.39 | Kowh | If you want to tank |
| 16:42.48 | Kowh | If you want to heal the priorities are different |
| 16:42.53 | Kowh | But icy veins has that guide too |
| 16:42.57 | nevcairiel | Stat priorities while leveling are largely irrelevant |
| 16:43.02 | Verxion | well I want to be able to solo, so for me that rules out healing |
| 16:43.02 | Kowh | ^That too |
| 16:43.15 | nevcairiel | Just pick agi or int appropriately :p |
| 16:43.25 | Unkle | the 'catch up gear' vendors basically make getting a baseline for dungeon gear simple. And then you replace it all with practically every drop from a dungeon. |
| 16:43.39 | Verxion | well I used to prioritize dps |
| 16:43.43 | Kowh | Questing is not gear dependent at all |
| 16:43.49 | Verxion | I found I could generally quest super well if I could down the enemy quickly |
| 16:43.54 | Kowh | I'd just dual spec and set your loot spec to heals |
| 16:44.05 | nevcairiel | Cata could be a bit painful if you had like no gear at all |
| 16:44.08 | Verxion | I'd make it up with spot healing out of cat form or pots or whatever if it was a rough fight |
| 16:44.18 | nevcairiel | But the catch-up vendor fixes that |
| 16:44.23 | Verxion | this way I was doing much harder quests than normal |
| 16:44.27 | Verxion | reds |
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| 16:45.03 | Verxion | Kowh: So dual spec as what, dps + tank? |
| 16:45.12 | Kowh | dps/heal it sounds like |
| 16:45.18 | Kowh | If you like healing |
| 16:45.29 | Verxion | well I love healing, but it sounded like getting groups would be less likely |
| 16:45.33 | Kowh | Heal for dungeons, cat for questing |
| 16:45.47 | Verxion | and walk me through what dual spec means now. ie, does it have a button to just swap specs AND gear? |
| 16:45.49 | Semlar | puts bluspacecow on a boat |
| 16:45.56 | Kowh | <5 min queues for healers often |
| 16:46.11 | Verxion | ok, that sounds good |
| 16:46.17 | Verxion | because I feel VERY confident I can heal well |
| 16:46.19 | Kowh | It doesn't autoswap gear, but there are addons that will do that for you |
| 16:46.40 | Kowh | Gear sets are built-in now though, so can do it manually too |
| 16:46.59 | Verxion | like, to give you an idea, I remember when I leveled from 60-70, my only healing gear was greens from my leveling |
| 16:47.06 | Verxion | I still out healed GEARED healers in my greens |
| 16:47.24 | Kowh | For leveling, gear mostly just affects mana pool. |
| 16:47.26 | Verxion | what do you mean gear sets are built in ? |
| 16:47.38 | Kowh | You can save/switch gear sets |
| 16:47.42 | Kowh | No addon needed |
| 16:47.46 | Verxion | ie, do I have to manually swap each individual item? |
| 16:48.04 | Kowh | You put on all the equipment you want in a set, then save it as a name |
| 16:48.10 | Verxion | ok, so all the pieces need to be in my bags, and I can just swap between them once the sets are defined? |
| 16:48.14 | Kowh | Then later you can click that name and equip all of at once |
| 16:48.16 | Amarande | Verxion: you equip and register the gear set, then you say "I want to switch to this gear set" and it swaps them all |
| 16:48.18 | Verxion | ok, flawless, that rocks |
| 16:48.20 | Amarande | it's like FFXIV's gear sets feature |
| 16:48.23 | Verxion | perfect |
| 16:48.23 | Amarande | ... only less useful |
| 16:48.26 | Verxion | ok, and then healbot |
| 16:48.42 | Verxion | can I hover over a tight list of colored icons representing everyone in the group? |
| 16:48.46 | Verxion | to cast spells? |
| 16:48.47 | Kowh | Healbot is still a thing, there are other addons too |
| 16:48.54 | Kowh | But honestly I don't even use them |
| 16:48.57 | Verxion | well which one is considered best of breed? |
| 16:48.59 | Amarande | Verxion: 'tight list of coloured icons representing everyone in the group' is Grid |
| 16:49.03 | Kowh | The standard raid frames are good if you use some mouseover macros |
| 16:49.09 | Verxion | main things I loved about my old mod I used is this: |
| 16:49.16 | Amarande | Grid is still quite alive and beloved |
| 16:49.28 | Verxion | 1. I could see color coded representation of everyone. This made it CAKE to see who the tanks were, etc. |
| 16:49.38 | Amarande | lately I usually use Pitbull unit frames for personal (me, target, target's target, pet, pet's target) frames, and Grid for the group |
| 16:49.43 | Kowh | Standard raid frames have class colours as an option |
| 16:49.52 | Verxion | 2. It showed me all the HoTs on people. I don't remember how, but I could tell at a glance when they were about to drop a HoT, this was KEY |
| 16:50.02 | Kowh | Also you can have it show tanks split off in their own group |
| 16:50.05 | Verxion | 3. I could just hover over the colored boxes to cast my spells |
| 16:50.20 | Kowh | You can do all that with the stock frames |
| 16:50.27 | Kowh | With mouseover macros and the right options turned on |
| 16:50.36 | Verxion | Amarande - yeah, I needed to see target's target too |
| 16:50.56 | Verxion | ok, then I'll have to figure all that out |
| 16:51.00 | Kowh | Blizz nommed a bunch of popular addon features since you played |
| 16:51.06 | Verxion | I should be able to load up the game in about an hour or so |
| 16:51.11 | Verxion | that's good to hear |
| 16:51.17 | Verxion | I'd -PREFER- to go stock if I can |
| 16:51.23 | Verxion | but seeing my HoTs is absolutely required |
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| 16:51.47 | Verxion | I vaguely remember that we no longer get access to all the lower level versions of our spells |
| 16:51.50 | Verxion | this makes me VERY sad |
| 16:51.59 | Kowh | It shows your own hots by default |
| 16:51.59 | Verxion | that was such a tremendously powerful thing to use as a Druid |
| 16:52.17 | Kowh | #showtooltip Rejuvenation |
| 16:52.33 | Kowh | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.49 | Verxion | see, we didn't have these macros like this when I played before |
| 16:52.54 | Verxion | at least not that I knew |
| 16:53.17 | Verxion | I love the nodead part |
| 16:53.31 | Verxion | I assume this prevents you landing your top raw heal on a dead guy, thereby wasting your mana? |
| 16:53.39 | Kowh | Can't heal a dead person period |
| 16:53.56 | Kowh | This is most about making it easier to target the right person |
| 16:54.00 | Amarande | Verxion: you actually like the stock Blizzard UI? :) |
| 16:54.05 | Verxion | you know, the 30 second heal that lands 1/1000th of a second after they die? (exagerating, but you get the idea) |
| 16:54.07 | Kowh | But that's ony if you mouse over players |
| 16:54.09 | Amarande | mind you, I'm not even fully sure what the stock Blizzard UI is even like anymore |
| 16:54.21 | Verxion | yeah |
| 16:54.22 | Kowh | Mousing over raid frames it's moot |
| 16:54.28 | Verxion | I have to have mouse over |
| 16:54.36 | Verxion | if I have to CLICK to select my heal target, game over |
| 16:54.39 | Amarande | yeah, dead guy only wastes your cast time, not your mana |
| 16:54.43 | Amarande | "your target is dead", spell fails |
| 16:54.45 | Kowh | Yeah, that's how I heal, with stock frames. |
| 16:54.55 | Verxion | Kowh: without clicking to select target? |
| 16:54.57 | Kowh | Yup |
| 16:54.58 | Torhal | I heal with stock photos. |
| 16:54.59 | Torhal | >.> |
| 16:55.00 | Kesava | the stock raid frames are good |
| 16:55.01 | Verxion | awesome to hear |
| 16:55.02 | Amarande | Verxion: also in dungeons you shouldn't need to be selecting heal targets much |
| 16:55.05 | Amarande | target the tank |
| 16:55.06 | Verxion | torhal: You could! :) |
| 16:55.13 | Amarande | except in case of specific mechanics, you should only need to target the tank |
| 16:55.17 | Kowh | I mouse over the player's raid frame, press a keyboard button for the appropriate heal |
| 16:55.22 | Kesava | so good that i'm mkaing an ouf layout to mimic them but make them a bit more resizable. |
| 16:55.31 | Amarande | if someone else is getting significantly hurt, it means they aren't playing their class correctly and should be let die |
| 16:55.32 | Kowh | My target stays whatever I targeted |
| 16:55.33 | Verxion | amarande: in PUGs I've found we often have a high DPSer that is STUPID. Hence the heals... |
| 16:55.38 | Kowh | Be it the boss, the tank, whatever |
| 16:55.46 | Amarande | Verxion: Let him die. :) |
| 16:56.01 | Verxion | Amarande: I totally get that mentality, but I also prefer not to wipe. |
| 16:56.02 | Amarande | heck, I still remember doing just that at least once on a healer back in the day |
| 16:56.12 | Amarande | we were in one of the early rooms in utgard |
| 16:56.15 | Amarande | *utgarde |
| 16:56.18 | Verxion | ie, yeah, I'm "that" healer - the one that would prefer to keep stupid people up if it means we get through the instance faster |
| 16:56.24 | Kowh | A good healer or a good tank can carry a dungeon group these days, pretty much |
| 16:56.28 | Verxion | I fully realize it means stupid people don't learn their lesson |
| 16:56.30 | Amarande | two of the DPS were doing it right, the third was insisting on standing in front of the drakes and getting flambed |
| 16:56.33 | Amarande | eventually I let him die |
| 16:56.43 | Amarande | heh, and after combat he went "why u no healz" :P |
| 16:57.06 | Verxion | lol, yeah, I know that all too well |
| 16:57.13 | Verxion | I mean, my priority is ALWAYS the tank |
| 16:57.29 | Amarande | mind you there's been the occasional time as mdps when I've died to the dragon breath, but that usually involves fail of other sorts |
| 16:57.31 | Verxion | next up is other healers (granted, talking raid) if they are priests (ie, I can HoT them to help a LOT) |
| 16:57.56 | Verxion | then are DPSers. But I never EVER heal DPSers if that lowers my reserves enough that I have ANY doubts about being able to heal the tanks |
| 16:58.00 | Amarande | either we're fighting the drake in a position that impairs the camera angle, or more often, the tank is an idiot and won't keep the target faced reliably |
| 16:58.09 | Verxion | I always carry lots of pots and things to up my healing |
| 16:58.19 | VIad | I always face the boss to breathe on the raid or tailswipe the dps |
| 16:58.49 | Verxion | ok, got a meeting to go to. Sorry to run out on you guys, but I'll be back in an hour or so, while in game, likely with more questions |
| 16:58.57 | Verxion | SUPER SUPER appreciate all the help. Seriously. |
| 16:59.02 | Kowh | Pots are less useful than they were |
| 16:59.11 | Kowh | One per combat |
| 16:59.36 | Kowh | So they're an "oh shit" button, not a supplement. |
| 16:59.56 | VIad | bandages died out didnt they? pots are next |
| 17:00.10 | Kowh | Bandages are still in the game, technically. |
| 17:00.23 | VIad | probably only used in arena |
| 17:00.41 | Verxion | Testing |
| 17:00.42 | Kowh | They're such a piss-poor hot these days. |
| 17:00.53 | VIad | :( |
| 17:00.58 | VIad | was mandatory in vanilla raiding |
| 17:01.01 | VIad | to heal up after aoe :D |
| 17:01.04 | VIad | help the healers out |
| 17:01.11 | Verxion | Wow, looks like my iPad IRC app kept my connection despite me closing the cover as I walked to my meeting, lol |
| 17:02.06 | Verxion | I used to be able to load up on pots before a raid to boost my spirit a ton |
| 17:02.14 | Verxion | Ie, food, pots, everything I could do to boost it |
| 17:02.27 | Verxion | Then I had mana pots that I'd use during long battles |
| 17:03.16 | Verxion | And yeah, bandages were something that was unthinkable not to raid without it maxed |
| 17:03.57 | foxlit | jleclanche: foxlit: how come the 2nd treasure hunter icon is grayed out? http://i.imgur.com/096IINW.png << they're not something I manage, it should be handled by blizzard code. |
| 17:03.59 | Verxion | No one sitting next to me in this meeting so I can still IRC, lol |
| 17:04.07 | jleclanche | foxlit: huh, ok |
| 17:04.19 | foxlit | I think you have layering issues in general; look at the second threat on Ro'gor being eaten by the background. |
| 17:04.20 | Verxion | I'm trying to remember, I know I was fishing and herring and doing alchemy and cooking |
| 17:04.28 | Verxion | Was I able to do that all on one char? |
| 17:04.43 | Verxion | Or did I have to use multiple? I can't remember what all you could do on a single character |
| 17:04.59 | Verxion | I only transferred my Druid to the server my friend plays on |
| 17:05.00 | Kowh | These days for raiding you rune, flask, eat and pre-pot (use a potion just before pull so you don't trigger the combat CD but it lasts into combat) |
| 17:05.16 | VIad | pots last 20 sec max dont they? |
| 17:05.21 | VIad | so why prepotion? |
| 17:05.37 | Verxion | I've got flasks that last an hour that are still in my inventory |
| 17:05.50 | nevcairiel | The question is why not prepot |
| 17:05.50 | VIad | you dont need to prepot those before pull |
| 17:05.55 | Kowh | Healers don't need to prepot, no |
| 17:06.04 | Kowh | DPS do it to boost initial dps |
| 17:06.10 | VIad | if you pop a potion that lasts 20 seconds you dont get to do too much with it |
| 17:06.33 | Kowh | Pots are cheap, and you have all your CDs to blow at the start too |
| 17:08.06 | Kowh | Start of the fight is usually a nice uninterrupted grace period in which you can pile on dps too |
| 17:08.42 | Kowh | As a dps lots of fights you pre-pot, lust on pull, blow all your dps CDs. |
| 17:08.53 | Kowh | Then second pot at some key point in the fight. |
| 17:09.02 | Kowh | Assuming progression and whatnot |
| 17:09.16 | VIad | dunno. wouldn't you like to save your heroism for lower % like enrage or something? :p |
| 17:09.16 | Kowh | Would be a waste to pot at all in LFR |
| 17:09.22 | Kowh | Depends on the fight |
| 17:09.52 | Kowh | If there's some phase you want to push faster, that's when, yes. |
| 17:10.04 | Kowh | Otherwise it defaults to lust on pull so as to maximize the use of CDs |
| 17:10.47 | Kowh | Can generally just stand still and pour out the dps for the first 10 seconds |
| 17:11.25 | Kowh | Blizz always seems to include a grace period before mechanics and heavy hitting attacks. |
| 17:12.02 | VIad | remember vanilla? |
| 17:12.05 | VIad | wait for 5 sunder |
| 17:12.07 | VIad | memories |
| 17:12.26 | VIad | threat was fun factor back then |
| 17:12.29 | Kowh | Verxion: If you were melee dps, likely doesn't make a difference, but ranged dps generally suck at dpsing on the move now. |
| 17:12.45 | Kowh | During panda they made it easier, WoD nerfed it again. |
| 17:13.09 | Amarande | yeah, the whole "one potion per combat" crap is lame |
| 17:13.09 | Kowh | Hunters are about the only ones that can maintain full dps while moving |
| 17:13.25 | Semlar | can't do that any more |
| 17:13.36 | Amarande | Kowh: melee and movement seems to be a thing with MMOs in general |
| 17:13.49 | Semlar | marks is the preferred spec right now |
| 17:13.55 | Kowh | Everyone else can only use instants, or pop your "dps while moving" skill that lasts for 10 seconds or whatever and has a few minutes to CD |
| 17:14.00 | Amarande | it's why when you do not give ranged a huge dps advantage over melee, wailing and gnashing of teeth ensues :P |
| 17:14.10 | Amarande | because, yeah, that pretty much |
| 17:14.21 | Amarande | if ranged don't have a compensating advantage in base dps, movement heavy battles become hell |
| 17:14.34 | Amarande | this is why everyone hated Titan EX in FFXIV :P |
| 17:14.52 | Kowh | My main is ele sham, my movement dps is crap. I can basically fire shock and that's it, barring procs for instant bursts. |
| 17:15.00 | Amarande | (and also a major reason I took a break from FFXIV, because I was a Black Mage and it seemed like every fucking endgame tier fight was absolute hell) |
| 17:15.18 | Amarande | the other Black Mage in the FC even agreed that the game was hating our class |
| 17:15.25 | VIad | it's 2015 I find black white mage thing a bit racist |
| 17:15.39 | VIad | why does the man oppress the black mage wanting to heal? |
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| 17:15.55 | Amarande | thing is in FFXIV BLM don't get that huge advantage in base DPS compared to other classes the way Mages do in WoW |
| 17:16.04 | Amarande | so if you have to move a lot, your DPS sinks like a stone |
| 17:16.10 | Kowh | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=79206/spiritwalkers-grace <-- Get to dps on the move for 15 seconds every 2 minutes |
| 17:16.28 | Amarande | oh, and also unlike WoW (at least in most cases, maybe mythic is an exception), berserk timers are actually tight enough for that to MATTER |
| 17:16.29 | Kowh | Healing is also affect, but less so. |
| 17:16.39 | Kowh | Druid healing is actually one of the better ones on the moves, lots of instant hots |
| 17:17.04 | Amarande | and then what did square do? they didn't do *anything* in 2.5 to alleviate the melee vs. dps issue |
| 17:17.26 | Amarande | in fact, they actually adjusted stats on some endgame weapons to give melee even *more* of an advantage |
| 17:17.28 | Amarande | *facepalm* |
| 17:17.33 | Kowh | I've got a resto druid alt I run through LFR and such. Only bother with full raiding on my main. |
| 17:17.37 | Amarande | I hope heavensward balanced things better |
| 17:17.46 | Jamash | Anyone know of a list of removed spells? Specifically, spell ranks. |
| 17:18.01 | Amarande | although I guess especially late in an expansion cycle rebalancing classes can be disastrous :( |
| 17:18.22 | Amarande | like anyone who's still trying to finish up raids during the tick-over to the next x.0.y patch in WoW knows |
| 17:18.35 | Amarande | that's the primary reason we didn't get past 10/12H in ICC10 back in the day |
| 17:19.03 | Jamash | I'm using Learning Aid as the topic of my web development class assignment and I'd like to know what spell had the most ranks when they were removed. |
| 17:24.06 | VIad | Jamash: is that some tool for kids with disabilities? |
| 17:24.36 | Semlar | i suspect any spells you learned at lower levels had the most ranks |
| 17:24.54 | Jamash | VIad: Funny. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10622-LearningAid.html |
| 17:24.59 | VIad | you can download the old wow game, extract the dbc files and peak |
| 17:25.05 | VIad | ah UII get it |
| 17:25.30 | Jamash | Looks like Fireball went up to 16 in Wrath. |
| 17:25.43 | VIad | http://wttm.bool.no/ |
| 17:25.48 | VIad | memories |
| 17:26.00 | Jamash | I certainly remember many spells taking up more than one page in the spellbook, which is why I wrote Learning Aid in the first place. |
| 17:27.26 | Semlar | you might try looking at rankwatch |
| 17:27.46 | Semlar | i think they had a database of every rank of every spell |
| 17:28.32 | Semlar | otherwise i'm not sure how they would have been able to whisper people who were using lower ranks of spells |
| 17:28.58 | VIad | I remember healing with lower ranks that were more mana conservative (HPM) |
| 17:30.03 | Semlar | as far as i can tell, frostbolt and fireball had 16 ranks |
| 17:31.30 | Jamash | Semlar: Yep, that was the max. |
| 17:33.57 | VIad | Jamash: technical max? |
| 17:34.59 | Jamash | VIad: FABULOUS MAX. No, that's just how high it got before Cata thankfully ended the whole rank business. |
| 17:35.45 | Jamash | VIad: I'm using irssi, so your name looks very silly. |
| 17:42.41 | Amarande | Yeah I can't even think of any MMO off the top of my head that still uses ranks anymore except SW:TOR (maybe LOTRO? been a while since I set foot in Middle Earth) |
| 17:43.19 | Amarande | and SW:TOR is pretty silly to do it and not just use the same system as WoW, especially since there's no longer any skill learning charges at the trainer |
| 17:43.28 | Amarande | (but you still have to GO to the trainer ... *smh*) |
| 17:44.32 | fewyn | swtor is pretty silly |
| 17:44.45 | fewyn | how is that game these days |
| 17:49.06 | Jamash | I subscribed to swotor... for one month. It's okay. |
| 17:49.35 | Jamash | I guess they have a new expansion with two siblings, one light and one dark, because that's new and original. |
| 17:49.36 | Kowh | I hear it's pretty good now, made a lot of changes since going f2p. |
| 17:50.08 | Kowh | But had my fill at launch. Was fun enough, but no WoW. (See: every other new MMO) |
| 17:50.08 | Jamash | Swotor's f2p model is ass. It's "free" unless you want to do literally anything. |
| 17:51.06 | Kowh | "Pretty good" referring to the content, can't speak to the f2p model itself. |
| 17:51.29 | Kowh | Although I'm willing to believe the worst of any f2p system, can't stand them. |
| 17:53.25 | Jamash | If you don't spend money you're basically a wow trial character. Can't chat, can't trade, can't send mail, can't equip epics(!) |
| 17:54.35 | Jamash | can't have more than two action bars |
| 17:54.42 | Kowh | That's full free right? People who had a sub in the past get a bit more, no? |
| 17:55.02 | Jamash | If you have ever spent money you get some restrictions eased, yeah. |
| 17:55.19 | Kowh | The people I've heard from also played at launch, so they'd be in that category. |
| 17:56.24 | Amarande | Rise of the Hutt Cartel was pretty horrid, Shadow of Revan is pretty good |
| 17:57.12 | Amarande | Shadow of Revan felt too short, actually :( |
| 17:57.37 | Jamash | You can't raid unless you're subscribed, or you purchase a weekly pass, which is basically the same as subscribing. |
| 17:58.01 | Amarande | whereas Hutt Cartel ... well, I finally actually went through Makeb on my Agent last time I played (my Consular and Bounty Hunter got the last few levels to 55 through dailies alone, basically) |
| 17:58.22 | Amarande | and I think the general feeling was "how long before this is over so I can get the fuck off this damn piece of shit planet" LOL |
| 17:58.48 | VIad | did swtor improve combat play? |
| 17:58.54 | VIad | I felt it was a bit too stiff in a way |
| 17:59.06 | Amarande | VIad: feels pretty similar to wow, basically |
| 17:59.08 | Jamash | it's wow without autoattak |
| 17:59.14 | Jamash | s/tak/tack/ |
| 17:59.20 | VIad | I remember I couldn't kite as bounty |
| 17:59.29 | Amarande | except that yeah, there's no autoattack, and also, avoiding combat is generally quite a lot more viable :P |
| 17:59.42 | Amarande | actually, avoiding combat tends to be quite a lot more viable in basically every MMO that isn't WoW :S |
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| 18:05.27 | VIad | foxlit I saw your API lua files, looks like horrible amount of data to collect. using python to extract it from the dbc or? |
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| 18:13.31 | Kesava | BY THE WAY, turns out my problem with my addons getting unloaded whenever i switched characters was caused by Addon Control Panel |
| 18:14.07 | Kesava | wait sylvanaar's in this channel, gasp |
| 18:14.11 | Kesava | sylvanaar: ^ |
| 18:17.52 | Semlar | apparently focus fire isn't increasing hunters attack power |
| 18:19.38 | Mr_Rabies | i stopped using ACP when it was more-or-less integrated with the game, since i didn't really use the profiles feature |
| 18:21.04 | Torhal | Kesava: ACP has the notion of profiles. |
| 18:21.20 | Kesava | i realise this |
| 18:21.30 | Kesava | it keeps unloading all addons whenever i switch characters |
| 18:21.42 | Kesava | i'm going to assume that isn't an intended side effect of profiles |
| 18:21.44 | Torhal | Ah. I thought you were seeing the profile stuff in action. |
| 18:22.57 | Kesava | yeah i might actually just not use it now since i'm using the default and everything. but it's still nice to have a backup of a list of addons that are loaded. |
| 18:23.00 | Kesava | or something. |
| 18:23.08 | Kesava | i mean i could probably just do that myself really. |
| 18:31.13 | Amarande | Semlar: poor, poor, underpowered hunters ... *rolleyes* |
| 18:31.32 | Amarande | they might as well just remove Focus Fire altogether then, it would go a ways towards balancing out the hunter class :P |
| 18:31.45 | Amarande | hell, everyone else gets hit with the nerf bat on a regular basis, but hunters practically never do |
| 18:32.00 | Amarande | (hell, they actually over the years did away with the cardinal weaknesses of hunterdom ...) |
| 18:32.40 | Amarande | Not that I mind the rush of power when I do play a hunter, but why are hunters given most-favoured-class treatment anyway? :S |
| 18:36.35 | Unkle | Because they're not and you're on fucking drugs? |
| 18:37.38 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 18:38.23 | Unkle | Hi Fisker. |
| 18:39.08 | Fisker | I've failed you again |
| 18:39.51 | Unkle | Force chokes Fisker. |
| 18:39.53 | Unkle | Apology accepted, Captain Fisker. |
| 18:40.16 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:44.51 | Jamash | wait, html dark gray is lighter than html gray |
| 18:44.54 | Jamash | ?_? |
| 18:51.39 | Maldivia | yeah, goes something like white, lightgray, darkgray, gray, dimgray, black |
| 18:52.52 | Mr_Rabies | i really really hope altoholic gets updated soon :( |
| 18:53.02 | Mr_Rabies | it seems LPT is crazy broken right now |
| 18:57.53 | zenzelezz | no problem, everyone uses USB printers now |
| 18:59.03 | Amarande | zenzelezz: hah, that reminds me of when I first went to the EFnet Gothic channel back in the day |
| 18:59.32 | Amarande | people were all going on and on about "lpd", which apparently referred to the Legendary Pink Dots, an absolutely awesome band once I finally figured out that's what they meant :) |
| 18:59.43 | Amarande | however, at first I was thinking like ... line printer daemon? |
| 18:59.46 | Mr_Rabies | u wna fite zenzelezz |
| 19:00.05 | Amarande | (didn't help in that regard that #gothic was absolutely packed with Unix geeks at the time, including several EFnet IRCops and even server admins ... heh) |
| 19:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | them's fitin' words |
| 19:01.40 | Amarande | ahh, the olden days of the Linux vs BSD wars ... heh |
| 19:04.09 | Amarande | and Jamash this is why you use #xxxxxx notation if you really care about the specific colour :) |
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| 19:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 19:22.29 | Mr_Rabies | is there not an achievement for getting each type of garrison outpost? |
| 19:24.01 | zenzelezz | dude |
| 19:24.11 | zenzelezz | it's not like they're making achivements for doing just anything |
| 19:24.17 | zenzelezz | you have to work for them |
| 19:24.23 | zenzelezz | like gaining 10 fishing skill |
| 19:24.29 | Dagmar | Sort of like garrison trophies |
| 19:25.04 | Dagmar | It takes a lot of hard work to find an ancient ogre toenail clipper, so of course you want to put it on display for everyone to see. |
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| 19:28.10 | Fisker | Hey alestane |
| 19:28.47 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.56 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
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| 19:39.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: that sounds more like something you should get from archaeology, not through the garrison :) |
| 19:39.57 | Dagmar | Well, it's a good thing I can show everyone that I just dug up a fishhook. |
| 19:40.04 | Dagmar | Not many people are capable of feats like that. |
| 19:40.11 | Amarande | zenzelezz: and then you have things like catching 25 fish giving as many achievement points as defeating raid bosses in ways that are so impossibly contorted that Olympic gymnastics seems like straight lines by comparison :) |
| 19:40.28 | Dagmar | I do not often wonder WTF happened with something in WoW dev, but the trophy room really makes me scratch my head. |
| 19:41.39 | Amarande | my theory for things going wrong with WoD nowadays is to agree with the suggestions that when they repatriated the Titan team, they suddenly had to give up too much time and resources to retraining, and had too many developers that were no longer in sync with the state of WoW |
| 19:41.54 | Amarande | there's really no other fair excuse, given how long they left us sitting on SoO for :P |
| 19:43.28 | Amarande | with Pandaria they had a similar amount of time IIRC, and the only really epic gone-wrongs were the Worgen start area and CRZ, and it was at least understandable that it was never going to be possible to really find out if CRZ had any major flaws in practise without actually releasing it |
| 19:43.47 | Amarande | there's no other really reasonable explanation for WoD than the team one, though :( |
| 19:49.21 | Kesava | neither the worgen start area nor crz were epic gone-wrongs |
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| 19:52.15 | Amarande | Kesava: it was practically impossible to leave the worgen start area in 5.0, and crz caused issues till at least the release of 5.2 |
| 19:52.51 | Amarande | I've always said that the suggested class (i.e., the one you get if you pick the race without touching the class panel) for Worgen was made DK for a reason :P |
| 19:52.56 | karl_w_w | http://store.steampowered.com/app/208650/ Sales of Batman: Arkham Knight have been temporarily suspended while Warner Brothers works to address performance issues. |
| 19:53.26 | Amarande | (actually the DK starting area was a little bit troublesome in 5.0 too, but not so glaringly so ... you just had to be a total coward in the final fight) |
| 19:58.24 | fewyn | well at least i got a straight answer from someone... my lack of a bachelors degree is what's most likely holding employeers from hiring me *cheers for joy* at least someone finally confirmed it for me |
| 20:01.14 | Amarande | fewyn: from what I've read, most likely larger corporate employers do not even know you've applied |
| 20:01.24 | Amarande | degrees are apparently searched for automatically by the ATS |
| 20:01.36 | fewyn | yeah |
| 20:01.48 | fewyn | but no one is even looking at my resume supposedly because i don't have one |
| 20:02.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's way beyond performance issues, karl_w_w |
| 20:02.07 | Amarande | that's probably some kind of search engine stuff too |
| 20:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's a completely broken port, i think this is a first |
| 20:02.19 | Amarande | you need to apply at smaller businesses that use paper applications and/or don't use ATS crap :) |
| 20:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | the publisher pulling a game because it's completely broken |
| 20:02.34 | fewyn | i'm apply everywhere my resume will go pretty much Amarande |
| 20:02.39 | fewyn | and have been for over 6 months |
| 20:03.05 | Amarande | according to many an article, online applications are ridic lately it seems ... unless you're actually doing marketing you shouldn't need to become an SEO maven :P |
| 20:03.37 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah, even Big Rigs Over the Road Racing wasn't pulled :) |
| 20:07.34 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies, http://imgur.com/VFT0oLc :P |
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| 20:20.11 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.06 | fewyn | it was nice to get out of the house at least if only for a little bit |
| 20:39.23 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: clearly you need to push a filler release to match it up. are the md5s still going strong? |
| 20:41.01 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: but a filler release would increment the first number! |
| 20:41.22 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: oh, right. skip a version number, then :D |
| 20:42.16 | foxlit | as for md5s: http://pastebin.com/v4j9pqdu |
| 20:42.47 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I just saw CF actually lists it, too |
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| 20:48.18 | fewyn | oh hey an interview with a company i'm actually familiar with yes i'll do that thank you very much |
| 20:59.14 | Outrider | whatcha looking to do fewyn ? |
| 20:59.27 | Outrider | we have a couple of IT openings at the university |
| 21:00.00 | fewyn | i spent the last 6 years as community for fansites which involved a lot of roles which i enjoyed doing |
| 21:00.05 | fewyn | right now i'm looking for help desk tho |
| 21:00.36 | Outrider | yah, we got some help desk gigs |
| 21:00.38 | fewyn | or any kind of support role since it seems getting my foot into any of the community roles at any company doesn't seem to be working well for me |
| 21:00.53 | fewyn | where is said university |
| 21:00.57 | Outrider | Arizona |
| 21:01.18 | fewyn | phew that's a long ways away from where i currently am |
| 21:01.44 | Outrider | the university doesn't pay for relocation sadly (I moved from Germany to Arizona personally :)) but it was a 15k increase from my old gig |
| 21:02.33 | fewyn | yeah i can't pay for relocation anymore out of my own pocket sadly |
| 21:03.13 | Outrider | shame, lemme know if you change your mind though I'll send it along. |
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| 21:51.17 | Semlar | foxlit: you should replace the naval map with a list so i don't have to hover over every god damn mission to see it's info |
| 21:51.46 | foxlit | but they worked so hard on it? |
| 21:51.55 | Semlar | i appreciate that |
| 21:52.11 | Semlar | but it's an inefficient way to display the information |
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| 21:52.44 | foxlit | well, we'll see. I'm leaving it a bit alone for people to get a feeling of how it works. |
| 21:52.58 | Semlar | maybe add your success chance to the tooltip |
| 21:53.08 | foxlit | the map is somewhat useful in communicating what blockades what. |
| 21:53.27 | foxlit | (or buffs what) |
| 21:53.39 | Semlar | right now you have to click each one to see your best success chance for it will be |
| 21:54.20 | foxlit | I'm still blocked by that rep gate. |
| 21:54.29 | Semlar | what rep |
| 21:54.42 | foxlit | So I have like 5 ships, and 9/10 missions that require a ship type I have no access to. |
| 21:54.59 | Semlar | i see |
| 21:55.15 | foxlit | honored tanaan faction one for destroyer blueprints |
| 21:55.25 | Semlar | i'm just sending my ships on suicide missions to get the quest up |
| 21:56.02 | Semlar | it occurs to me i probably could have done the initial 60 second mission 15 times before turning that quest in |
| 21:56.33 | foxlit | or you could've been screwed when it despawns leaving you without a shipyard. |
| 21:56.51 | Semlar | that's a risk i'd be willing to take if i could go back and try it |
| 21:57.13 | foxlit | but anyway, I hear mission completion orders work |
| 21:58.05 | Semlar | i don't have an ogre house |
| 21:58.21 | foxlit | construct additional ogre houses, then. |
| 21:58.33 | Semlar | i should just replace my warmill |
| 22:01.20 | znf | no more free seal? |
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| 22:24.49 | Dagmar | Semlar: @#$@#$ can't believe that didn't occur to me. On the other hand, I suspect the first "you failed" mission is very rigged |
| 22:30.49 | Amarande | foxlit: can you actually end up being entirely unable to do a mission on a given day because all require higher rep ships than you own? |
| 22:31.57 | Amarande | also, the ship missions themselves aren't the way you get rep, are they? |
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| 22:45.53 | jleclanche | HOW is the tooltip bug not fixed |
| 22:45.54 | jleclanche | WTF |
| 22:46.01 | zenzelezz | which one? |
| 22:46.21 | jleclanche | tooltips immediately disappearing |
| 22:47.29 | Guillotine | It's a heisenbug :( We've never been able to reproduce it internally even though we know it happens. If you have any theories on what's causing it, let me know! |
| 22:48.28 | foxlit | it goes away when you ping the minimap, doesn't it? |
| 22:49.19 | Guillotine | Yup |
| 22:49.22 | Guillotine | Which is super friggin weird |
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| 22:51.30 | foxlit | which is usually a good thing to pull at. |
| 22:57.09 | jleclanche | Guillotine: yeah i figured as much |
| 22:57.23 | jleclanche | Guillotine: the best i could see is that it generally starts happening after combat somehow |
| 22:57.30 | jleclanche | but i never verified it |
| 22:58.20 | jleclanche | Guillotine: wait, by "never been able to reproduce internally", do you mean reliably reproduce? or reproduce at all? |
| 22:58.28 | jleclanche | because I get it all the time |
| 22:59.09 | Guillotine | jleclanche: At all. A lot of us have seen it when playing at home though. |
| 23:00.24 | jleclanche | Guillotine: well if it helps, I'm running on a wine setup, generally about 20-40 fps in crowded areas, if it's performance related somehow |
| 23:01.04 | Guillotine | I have a theory that it's either performance related or some sort of race-condition with packets from the server that start it (which would explain why we can't reproduce it from the office) |
| 23:01.12 | Guillotine | But it's just really really hard to track down a bug like that |
| 23:02.00 | Guillotine | jleclanche: Yeah, I've gotten it both under Wine and under Windows at home |
| 23:02.47 | jleclanche | Guillotine: have you tracked down what happens in the UI itself when the bug does happen? like is the ENTER_LINK or whatever it was called event being fired differently somehow? |
| 23:03.56 | jleclanche | ive seen it happen with both links in chat and buff icons |
| 23:04.13 | jleclanche | like there's somehow an invisible frame over all of it |
| 23:04.20 | Guillotine | jleclanche: Nope. We were just recently discussing sending clients with extra instrumentation home with some of the devs to try to help track it down. We'll get it fixed, we just didn't have time for 6.2. |
| 23:04.55 | jleclanche | heh gl. its so unbelievably annoying :/ |
| 23:05.06 | Guillotine | Yeah :/ |
| 23:05.42 | jleclanche | foxlit: i didnt know about the minimap ping |
| 23:05.47 | jleclanche | i was reloading the UI every time hah |
| 23:06.17 | Guillotine | The one where the tooltip occasionally stays too wide is pretty annoying too. |
| 23:06.23 | foxlit | that one is easy, though |
| 23:06.40 | jleclanche | i see that one too, i saw it just now actually |
| 23:07.03 | foxlit | It's your death recap UI asking GameTooltip to assume a specific width, and that flag never being cleared. |
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| 23:07.57 | jleclanche | Guillotine: btw i play windowed |
| 23:08.16 | jleclanche | if it's cursor positioning related somehow |
| 23:08.32 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/framexml/go/DeathRecapFrame_Spell_OnEnter there, and in the next function down. |
| 23:09.27 | jleclanche | man I was so excited for timewalking right up until i saw the arcatraz loading screen |
| 23:09.38 | jleclanche | "Cool! We'll get to do TBC dungeons again!" |
| 23:09.45 | jleclanche | "Holy shit, that means *doing TBC dungeons again*" |
| 23:10.46 | Guillotine | foxlit: Yeah, the whole "SetMinimumWidth" thing on tooltips that has been around forever is pretty broken. We just have to figure out a way to fix it that doesn't result in changing a ton of code. |
| 23:11.19 | fewyn | i'm trying to think of which TBC dungeons i actually liked |
| 23:11.22 | fewyn | i'm drawing a blank |
| 23:12.18 | fewyn | yeah i don't think there was a single one i particularly liked |
| 23:12.44 | jleclanche | fewyn: wasn't shadow labs GREAT?! |
| 23:14.28 | fewyn | YES TOTALLY GREAT |
| 23:14.37 | fewyn | i could tolerate that one actually |
| 23:14.38 | fewyn | i think |
| 23:15.00 | fewyn | do you know how many times i ran mana-tombs at the time? |
| 23:15.02 | fewyn | i think once |
| 23:15.03 | fewyn | ever |
| 23:15.39 | Constie | Yeah, I think I only did that once during TBC, too. |
| 23:16.36 | fewyn | once was more than enough to never want to do it again |
| 23:16.48 | fewyn | i don't want to think the amount of times i ran slave pens or sethekk |
| 23:16.53 | fewyn | or ramparts |
| 23:16.55 | fewyn | or halls |
| 23:16.59 | Amarande | well, mana tombs was hard to get an opportunity to visit |
| 23:17.02 | fewyn | shutters |
| 23:17.09 | Torhal | o.O |
| 23:17.18 | Torhal | I did all the AUchindoun instances a BUNCH of times. |
| 23:17.24 | Torhal | a/AU/Au/ |
| 23:17.31 | Torhal | Typing. It's difficult. |
| 23:17.35 | fewyn | i did mostly sethekk |
| 23:17.38 | fewyn | maybe that other one |
| 23:17.40 | fewyn | that isn't sethekk |
| 23:17.44 | fewyn | shadow labs |
| 23:17.48 | Amarande | wait, you didn't actually need consortium rep for it, you needed lower city because it was considered part of auchindoun didn't you *facepalm* |
| 23:18.00 | Amarande | even though it GAVE consortium rep |
| 23:18.19 | fewyn | i think the only time i did mana tombs was leveling up at tbc launch |
| 23:18.29 | Amarande | anyway, you basically didn't get to see it at all till heroic, pretty much |
| 23:18.32 | fewyn | because i was a priest |
| 23:18.38 | fewyn | so the guild made me come |
| 23:18.51 | Constie | I think I mostly did the TK ones a bunch. I pretty quickly stopped needing badges, and then no more heroics, pretty much. |
| 23:18.51 | Amarande | my memory is probably skewed because I barely got to do TBC heroics at all when they were current |
| 23:18.57 | Amarande | I literally had to transfer servers to get a chance to do so |
| 23:19.10 | Amarande | basically everyone on the server I leveled up on was wanting T5+ gear just to do heroics by the time I hit 70 :( |
| 23:19.32 | fewyn | you were a slow leveler |
| 23:20.24 | Amarande | fewyn: I didn't get into WoW until shortly before 2.3 hit |
| 23:20.28 | fewyn | ah |
| 23:20.31 | fewyn | that would explain it |
| 23:21.04 | Amarande | and of course, having leveled a priest to 62 before that before switching classes and choosing my warlock |
| 23:21.15 | Amarande | I figured "okay, I don't need to take tailoring again, I already have a character with that. I'll take mining and JC" |
| 23:21.28 | fewyn | i was a priest until everyone started blaming me when i couldn't show up for why we never raided anymore |
| 23:21.34 | fewyn | i said duck it an rolled a lock |
| 23:21.40 | fewyn | then i became a bear offtank |
| 23:21.42 | Amarande | ... but, apparently, about the only halfway reasonable way to meet gear muster in a decent time would probably have been if I had taken tailoring a second time, for the BoP perk items |
| 23:21.53 | fewyn | i remember offtanking BT and Hyjal |
| 23:21.57 | fewyn | never got into sunwell :( |
| 23:22.19 | Constie | I decided to try a Priest in late vanilla and it's still my main. #yolo |
| 23:25.56 | jleclanche | tbc was the worst expansion for me |
| 23:26.06 | jleclanche | playing frost mage then was pure depression, pve and pvp |
| 23:32.55 | Guillotine | Frost mages were pretty awesome in arena in TBC. Enough that a friend and I equipped our full frost gear sets (from tanking the first SSC boss) to do arenas. |
| 23:34.36 | jleclanche | yeah i hated arenas tho :/ |
| 23:34.45 | jleclanche | and in bgs frost mages were painful to play |
| 23:34.55 | jleclanche | at least this just happened: https://leclan.ch/public/millhouse.jpg |
| 23:38.13 | Semlar | i've never had the tooltip bug you're describing |
| 23:38.31 | Semlar | are you sure it's not caused by an addon |
| 23:38.45 | jleclanche | not sure at all of course |
| 23:39.04 | Semlar | millhouse is a huge gnome |
| 23:39.15 | jleclanche | but since you can have entire play sessions without encountering it theres no way to really check without getting lucky |
| 23:39.25 | jleclanche | you can disprove but not prove |
| 23:39.28 | Semlar | does it happen only with specific tooltips |
| 23:39.42 | jleclanche | yea gametooltip |
| 23:41.12 | Semlar | might be related to mousing over something specific |
| 23:41.22 | Semlar | i know the death recap thing breaks the tooltip |
| 23:42.03 | foxlit | clearly we just need to see all of your c++ code to get to the bottom of this mystery in no time at all. |
| 23:42.16 | Semlar | decompiles foxlit |
| 23:42.40 | Semlar | why are you written in assembly |
| 23:44.09 | foxlit | it's much, much worse than assembly. the source code is useless, since the behaviour of this is determined by its interaction with the world to date. |
| 23:48.59 | Semlar | they sunk my battleship! |
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| 23:56.47 | Semlar | i have the worst fleet |
| 23:57.25 | Semlar | 3 of my boats are green |
| 23:57.39 | Semlar | and i'm just sending them to their death |
| 23:57.44 | Torhal | ~emulate Neffi |
| 23:57.51 | Semlar | ~emulate torhal |
| 23:57.51 | purl | Ackis, it's ALL your fault! |
| 23:57.54 | Torhal | :O |
| 23:58.13 | Semlar | ~emulate foxlit |
| 23:58.13 | purl | ACTION hides. |
| 23:58.19 | Torhal | Hahaha |
