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| 00:09.44 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/globe/#h:75f297dcd001f1a546df3c0bb9c6c760-reads << so globe now knows about 6.2 |
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| 00:27.04 | plaw | https://twitter.com/BitchestheCat/status/612723059112460288 |
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| 04:13.21 | kd3 | Huh. The first episode of Evangelion took place on 6/22/15. |
| 04:14.33 | Trela | Uh oh. |
| 04:14.42 | Trela | It is already that day in Japan... |
| 04:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | at least it's not gonna be 199X anytime soon |
| 04:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | cause we got this waitin' on us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCyf1AwOJ8 |
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| 06:19.47 | Simca__ | kd3: I think we already escaped that fate since there was no First Impact (or Second Impact) |
| 06:26.35 | Fisker | Hey Simca__ |
| 06:27.10 | Simca__ | Hey Q |
| 06:28.25 | Fisker | :+ |
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| 06:40.58 | bluspacecow | god bless mdfind -name ; and the â;â mark in bash shell |
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| 06:49.34 | Shirik | http://i.gyazo.com/51095bec82d81c3a8abe463889e85704.png |
| 06:49.43 | Shirik | That moment when even the manufacturer is telling you you're going beyond the bounds of reason |
| 06:50.22 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:50.27 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:50.33 | Fisker | I'm dying |
| 06:50.55 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 06:51.05 | Fisker | pain and suffering |
| 06:51.15 | bluspacecow | *gently fondles Fisker* |
| 06:51.31 | Shirik | Fisker: buy me this http://www.l-com.com/wireless-booster-25-watt-24-ghz-outdoor-80211b-wifi-amplifier-kit |
| 06:51.59 | bluspacecow | I can feel it Shirik |
| 06:52.06 | bluspacecow | Can feel it coming in the air tonight |
| 06:52.13 | Fisker | Why Shirik ? |
| 06:52.25 | Shirik | I need it for internet |
| 06:52.35 | bluspacecow | o long |
| 06:52.43 | bluspacecow | oooooooooooooooo long |
| 06:52.48 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.51 | Fisker | Maybe the reason why it's not sold in the US is because it interferes with the bands restricted for use Shirik ? |
| 06:52.54 | Shirik | does he really say o long? |
| 06:53.08 | Shirik | Fisker: I'm a licensed amateur radio operator, so I can use it |
| 06:53.14 | Fisker | Then you can buy it |
| 06:53.15 | Shirik | I just don't want to pay $2900 |
| 06:53.16 | Fisker | np |
| 06:53.20 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 06:53.33 | Fisker | Wnat to pay $2900 + shipping + 25% + shipping? |
| 06:53.36 | Fisker | want* |
| 06:53.38 | Shirik | no ty |
| 06:53.40 | Fisker | ok |
| 06:53.48 | Fisker | then making me buy it won't make it much better |
| 06:53.48 | Shirik | bluspacecow: I always thought it was "hold on" |
| 06:54.55 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 06:55.09 | bluspacecow | guitar tabs Iâve finding suggesting itâs actually âOh lordâ |
| 06:55.11 | Fisker | cat gif delivery for Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/Z3fFFcj.gifv |
| 06:55.14 | Shirik | he has so much echo and reverb how is anyone supposed to hear what it says |
| 06:55.20 | Shirik | oh lord actually kinda makes sense |
| 06:55.37 | bluspacecow | Fisker is the cute cat machine |
| 06:55.43 | Cairenn | ! |
| 06:55.48 | bluspacecow | push button receive cute cat gif |
| 06:56.04 | Dagmar | It's "Oh lord". |
| 06:56.23 | bluspacecow | I wonder if that catâs shitting itself or is like âIM FLYING LIKE A BIRD FUCK YEAHâ |
| 06:56.30 | Dagmar | Considerably easier to make out live. |
| 06:56.33 | bluspacecow | THINK OF ALL THE BIRDS I CAN EAT FROM UP HERE |
| 06:57.02 | Semlar | that was not the face of a happy cat |
| 06:57.12 | Fisker | Why are all of you looking through Cairenn's mail? |
| 06:57.14 | Fisker | That's rude |
| 06:57.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:58.36 | Shirik | here Fisker bluspacecow the only singer better than phil collins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkbUr2rMSsk |
| 07:00.15 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.58 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu6ze1wmSxA ? |
| 07:01.12 | Fisker | You had your chance |
| 07:01.18 | Fisker | Now I'm back in bed |
| 07:01.20 | Shirik | the other one was a shitty recording anyway |
| 07:01.45 | Shirik | you should be required to take an audio quality understanding test before uploading youtube videos |
| 07:02.00 | Shirik | we wouldn't have a million videos with peak volume of -30dB |
| 07:02.28 | Shirik | I wonder if youtube could offer an auto-normalization feature |
| 07:02.31 | nevcairiel | youtube should just level volume when its re-encoding it anyway |
| 07:02.31 | Dagmar | You're not wrong. |
| 07:02.51 | Shirik | nevcairiel: the only real question there is whether or not the processing is too intensive |
| 07:03.01 | nevcairiel | audio processing is always cheap |
| 07:03.03 | Shirik | I mean it's not complicated for one video but I have no idea how many videos get uploaded per second |
| 07:03.07 | nevcairiel | and leveling volume isnt very expensive |
| 07:03.31 | Shirik | I feel like they probably reencode the video always anyway, so the additional audio processing should no big deal |
| 07:18.07 | Dagmar | I'm not sure they'd be wholly re-encoding, but considering that I've never seen a broken YouTube video I'm pretty sure they sanity check the things very carefully |
| 07:18.36 | Dagmar | Re-encoding an already 100% correct video would just be lossy |
| 07:18.54 | nevcairiel | they will likely do that though to reduce the bitrate |
| 07:19.18 | nevcairiel | noone ever claimed youtube is a high quality video streaming service |
| 07:23.12 | Dagmar | Still, they don't mess around with technical requirements. If a video isn't broken and is encoded within their maximum bit-rate parameters, I don't see why they'd bother re-encoding the original video format when all it would do would be to degrade the video quality |
| 07:28.55 | Shirik | I believe facebook does that with jpegs |
| 07:29.05 | Shirik | probably something about trying to make it reasonable for cellphone use |
| 07:29.25 | Shirik | and if someone uploads a 1080p video, they need to be able to show it in lower resolutions too |
| 07:29.26 | stuf | you can degrade image quality quite a bit before it's noticeable |
| 07:29.51 | stuf | there was a good article on how much you can actually degrade quality and how you can get away with it without it being annoying |
| 07:36.34 | VIad | only major issue with jpeg is the obvious noise near letters on white backgrounds. a side effect when using jpeg for text images rather than photos likeit was designed for. at least when quality is set to really low. |
| 07:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | they almost definitely do |
| 07:37.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've never seen a youtube video look nearly as good as source |
| 07:38.31 | Mr_Rabies | high motion kills the youtube compression in a big way |
| 07:47.31 | stuf | VIad: esp with shitpics |
| 07:48.18 | stuf | http://www.filamentgroup.com/lab/compressive-images.html this was the piece I was looking for |
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| 09:45.37 | Fisker | Must... Link.... Cairenn cats |
| 09:45.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/PNBJrHo.jpg |
| 09:45.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:46.37 | mitch0 | are there any stats about the HS Tavern Barn thing? I played a bit yesterday and felt that Ragnaros was kinda gimped... |
| 10:15.05 | Simca__ | you need to get lucky early game and get taunt minions and some of rag's OP cards (like core hounds) to stall until you've thrown away sulfuras and gotten DIE INSECT! |
| 10:15.19 | Simca__ | once you have that, gg |
| 10:16.05 | Simca__ | you probably need to luck in to at least one flamestrike as well, since Nef always gets a board filling card (either Onyxia or Open the Gates) |
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| 11:14.38 | karl_w_w | VIad, http://gfycat.com/HoarseConsciousFieldspaniel |
| 11:15.45 | nevcairiel | he actually damages allies when he grabs them? |
| 11:15.55 | nevcairiel | that never occured to me |
| 11:16.23 | nevcairiel | oh wait, he had the bloodseeker ult on him |
| 11:17.23 | karl_w_w | yeah it took me a couple of watches to see it |
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| 15:04.17 | Amarande | wow people find the negative side of everything it seems |
| 15:04.26 | Amarande | Blizz: "we're freeing up old not used in ages character names!" |
| 15:04.49 | Amarande | Commenters: "bring on the second wave of Drizzt's and Legolas's etc." :) |
| 15:05.15 | Simca__ | I have a tool that does output of displayIDs for item sets and the log makes me laugh every time |
| 15:05.19 | Amarande | heh, and come to think of it probably another epidemic of death knights named Arthas in some form or another, since the cutoff is apparently Cata :P |
| 15:06.43 | Simca__ | because of this |
| 15:06.45 | Simca__ | Processing set CLOTH_RAIDWARLOCK_P_01_HORDE. |
| 15:06.45 | Simca__ | Set CLOTH_RAIDWARLOCK_P_01_HORDE is missing: shoulders |
| 15:06.45 | Simca__ | Processing set CLOTH_RAIDWARLOCK_P_01_HODE. |
| 15:06.59 | Simca__ | my favorite typo |
| 15:07.17 | Shirik | orcs don't know how to spell |
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| 15:09.59 | Stanzilla | you cant name your chars arthas |
| 15:10.13 | VIad | there is a dbc list over reserved/illegal names |
| 15:10.17 | Amarande | Stanzilla: people just used accent marks or slightly different spellings :P |
| 15:10.30 | Fisker | snifflehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 15:10.33 | Amarande | you forget the flood of such names back in Wrath? :) |
| 15:10.49 | rid__ | Ãrthas |
| 15:10.51 | Amarande | Soon they will be back again, since they'll probably mostly be getting released since I doubt that many of them have been played since Cata came out :P |
| 15:11.07 | Stanzilla | on US realms you cannot use accented chars, last I heard |
| 15:11.17 | Simca__ | yeah but you could in Wrath |
| 15:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | I want an accented name! |
| 15:11.44 | Simca__ | they aren't forcing characters named with accents to rename |
| 15:12.01 | Stanzilla | still means they are not coming back though :D |
| 15:12.15 | Amarande | wonder why they changed that rule. especially since now they're complaining there's not enough available names :) |
| 15:12.40 | Amarande | unless they really originally expected people to start naming their characters like they've spent too much time near Yogg-Saron or something :) |
| 15:12.56 | Simca__ | well i think it's more players complaining that, especially since the random name generator is tending to give taken names |
| 15:13.32 | VIad | it's fun to name your character only using accented vowels |
| 15:14.08 | Stanzilla | no |
| 15:14.19 | Stanzilla | also your character names are the worst, VIad |
| 15:15.05 | VIad | c'mon you wanna try to invite ÃîïìÃìïîìïîìïî |
| 15:16.11 | Simca__ | looks like grass on fire |
| 15:16.18 | VIad | fire mage |
| 15:16.40 | Stanzilla | what are your other toons names |
| 15:16.43 | Stanzilla | I remember database |
| 15:16.45 | Stanzilla | and mysql |
| 15:16.48 | Stanzilla | or something like that |
| 15:16.50 | VIad | yes |
| 15:16.53 | VIad | my druid and hunter |
| 15:17.10 | VIad | initially on beta my hunter was database and my pets were named after mysql, postgreesql, e.g. :P |
| 15:17.14 | Amarande | VIad, and by the time I finish checking all the alt-code numbers, the first thing I have to ask the rest of the group is 'can you come back tomorrow' :) |
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| 15:20.05 | Amarande | also one of your pets should have been named BobbyTables :) |
| 15:21.25 | Ressy | snickers |
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| 16:13.26 | karl_w_w | mmm snickers |
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| 16:51.56 | g0urra | anyone who can check my .dmp? |
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| 16:53.30 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 16:53.31 | Unkle | Station. |
| 16:53.41 | Ressy | Hey Unkle.. How you feeling? |
| 16:56.18 | Unkle | Hi Fisker, Ressy. |
| 16:57.45 | Unkle | I'm feeling mentally ok (well, for as well as mildly manic depressive people ever really feel) but my hip feels like I'm being repeatedly stabbed by icepicks made of freezing or hot steel. So, in other words, pretty normal for a Monday. |
| 16:58.31 | Fisker | I know that feel |
| 17:00.42 | Unkle | Sorry man. |
| 17:01.42 | pompy | g0urra: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html |
| 17:03.02 | g0urra | thanks |
| 17:03.06 | g0urra | hm.. ntoskrnl.exe |
| 17:03.43 | Fisker | wow bluescreen simulator 2015 |
| 17:03.52 | Fisker | Diabetes is the worst Unkle |
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| 17:12.23 | Unkle | Fisker: Yeah, that sucks. |
| 17:27.59 | Ressy | So is Masterplan going to support the shipyard? >.> |
| 17:29.44 | Fisker | Who knows if it is part of foxlit's master plan |
| 17:29.50 | Fisker | Huehuehue |
| 17:29.54 | Fisker | I'm terrible |
| 17:32.53 | pompy | zenzelezz: http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/06/22/vv05-mission-status-center/ |
| 17:32.56 | pompy | "The Sentinel 2A satellite is slated to blast off at 0151:58 GMT Tuesday (9:51:58 p.m. EDT; 10:51:58 p.m. French Guiana time Monday) aboard the 10-story Vega rocket. " |
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| 18:02.47 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 18:04.40 | VIad | btw this video made me abit enraged. was it okay for me to get angry or? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIqDc31lk7k |
| 18:08.19 | stuf | just by looking at the description, yes it was okay |
| 18:10.27 | VIad | was not far from the deep web presentation given by some lady a few years ago |
| 18:12.02 | stuf | did it include an exploding van? |
| 18:12.35 | VIad | marianas deep web ughh |
| 18:12.40 | kullervo | does anyone know if the Fight, Kill, Salute counts for the meta if done on a different character than the Slayer achievements? |
| 18:13.22 | VIad | http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/1uxxgx/israeli_cyber_expert_delivers_a_paid_presentation/ |
| 18:13.49 | Fisker | I remember that |
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| 18:16.16 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
| 18:16.24 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 18:19.21 | VIad | "internet black holes. packets can't simply disappear. maybe someone is stealing packets to subvert something?" |
| 18:21.04 | VIad | or maybe packets just are dropped because servers, ttl variables, errors, e.g. |
| 18:21.30 | VIad | don't have to be a more special reason than that - most common faulty hardware behaving badly causing issues |
| 18:21.33 | Fisker | Maybe you're just a shill for the true power behind these disappearances |
| 18:22.33 | VIad | :D |
| 18:26.35 | VIad | anyone using candy buckets this year? |
| 18:27.50 | Fisker | I'm using hard drugs this year |
| 18:29.24 | VIad | nice |
| 18:29.31 | nevcairiel | there is fires, not candy buckets |
| 18:29.37 | VIad | I know :( |
| 18:29.41 | VIad | I merged all my 3 addons into one |
| 18:29.56 | VIad | started out just being for hallows end |
| 18:30.02 | VIad | but found out the use for lunar and summer events |
| 18:31.11 | VIad | nice to see the addon work. havent touched it in a long time. only added a phasing indicator for blasted lands today. |
| 18:33.43 | kullervo | VIad: you could add all the easter candy spawns too |
| 18:34.07 | VIad | true, but those are sooo tightly packed and they arent really "loot once per event" |
| 18:34.25 | VIad | not sure how helpfull your map would be with tons of icons basically stacked |
| 18:34.41 | kullervo | it wouldn't be a map at that point, but a crazy arrow |
| 18:35.00 | VIad | for that I wanted to make a new addon |
| 18:35.14 | VIad | because it would involve minimap icons with arrows and small respawn timers of sort |
| 18:35.15 | kullervo | that's what I used for draenor treasures, never touched the map |
| 18:35.32 | VIad | but figured out that eggs respawned irrationally based on other players looting too so gave up |
| 18:35.42 | kullervo | oh and the eggs now respawn instantly, every zone will have X eggs at all times |
| 18:35.49 | VIad | yes |
| 18:35.50 | VIad | exactly |
| 18:36.00 | VIad | making the addon a bit weird |
| 18:36.12 | VIad | instead you could just memorize some places and revisit them quicker |
| 18:36.19 | kullervo | the main use of an addon for that event would be to see where they are |
| 18:36.23 | VIad | yeah |
| 18:36.33 | kullervo | since one has to check -all- the spawns at some point anyway |
| 18:36.40 | VIad | having a stupid map overlay (and minimap) just for the info, fair enough |
| 18:36.47 | VIad | for the newbies :) |
| 18:36.49 | g0urra | Blizzard coloring book? http://imgur.com/gallery/p6oO3/ |
| 18:38.12 | VIad | ugh is blizz messing with me? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434998291.png |
| 18:38.21 | VIad | can't put it on my favorites for easier mounting whem I am in the zone |
| 18:40.13 | nevcairiel | nah it doesnt let you put restricted mounts on the fav list |
| 18:40.50 | VIad | awww |
| 18:41.10 | VIad | it would be nice if it was smart and mounted it specifically when on the fav list |
| 18:44.58 | VIad | nevcairiel: how do you feel when you see this? http://ru.wowhead.com/spell=110764 |
| 18:45.21 | VIad | italian one is worse but they dropped also the DNT tags so unsure if they knew about those or not so I wont pick on them |
| 18:45.57 | nevcairiel | why would i care |
| 18:47.11 | VIad | because it should annoy you that you give instructions like DNT for localization team and they ignore it :( |
| 18:47.15 | VIad | ought to get annoyed |
| 18:50.01 | VIad | ugh sinuses full of slime |
| 18:50.08 | VIad | litterally got sick over night |
| 18:50.20 | VIad | maybe them dropped packets formed into a disease and infected me |
| 18:52.20 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434999135.png the curse of addons |
| 18:52.44 | VIad | the default game UI has mechanisms for it, but nearly all addons ignore charsets and assume it is all renderable in what ever font is used on the widget |
| 18:53.06 | VIad | imo blizz should have some fallback font mechanism when the font used can't display characters |
| 18:53.06 | nevcairiel | blame blizzard for being dumb about that |
| 18:53.24 | VIad | there is no proper api anyway right? |
| 18:53.30 | VIad | like fallback font settings or what not |
| 18:53.34 | nevcairiel | what this "mechanism" is in the default UI is just that it uses a different font |
| 18:53.40 | nevcairiel | so blame the user for setting it to the wrong font |
| 18:53.43 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 18:53.48 | [TOM_RUS] | blame blizzard for using shitty fonts |
| 18:53.49 | VIad | yeah so how does the UI know when to swap font? |
| 18:54.02 | VIad | like when does the game tooltip know "oh he is russian, hang on" and changes font on the gametooltip |
| 18:54.04 | nevcairiel | probably checks for russian chars |
| 18:55.25 | VIad | coding in the support sounds hard though |
| 18:55.27 | nevcairiel | personally I think they shouldnt even combine the RU realms with the EU, it has distinct disadvantages in PvP that you cannot even read their name and call targets, imho. |
| 18:55.31 | VIad | and a ton of wasting CPU cycles |
| 18:55.45 | VIad | can't even speak together too, nevcairiel |
| 18:55.56 | VIad | many russians don't know english |
| 18:56.04 | nevcairiel | luckily being in the german pool, we dont get joined with any other obscure languages =p |
| 18:56.13 | VIad | based on my experiences so far |
| 18:56.16 | VIad | :D |
| 18:56.31 | nevcairiel | I only know that from dota2, and the russians never speak english |
| 18:56.33 | foxlit | good thing you aren't grouped cross-language. |
| 18:56.39 | Fisker | Hey foxlit |
| 18:56.39 | nevcairiel | they always assume everyon else speaks russian |
| 18:57.05 | foxlit | Hey Fisker; "This World is currenty full." |
| 18:57.09 | kullervo | can I get transliterated russian for my nameplates/targetframe/etc? |
| 18:57.24 | nevcairiel | there is an addon that does that |
| 18:57.28 | kullervo | seems BGTargets does it but that by itself isn't extremely useful |
| 18:57.38 | Fisker | Seppuku foxlit ? |
| 18:57.46 | nevcairiel | just call them all boris or something =p |
| 18:57.47 | foxlit | seems like transliteration is a bother. Just rename them all to Steve. |
| 18:58.51 | foxlit | as for font selection, https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20141/Fonts.xml#33 |
| 18:59.23 | foxlit | you get it for free by inheriting form the default font hierarchy. |
| 18:59.23 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:59.27 | VIad | one weird thing though |
| 18:59.30 | VIad | nvm |
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| 18:59.46 | VIad | what I did to fix SOME of the issues, like chat and such |
| 18:59.49 | kullervo | well while it's possible to shout "The top druid" or "bottom paladin", the list might not be in the same order for everyone |
| 18:59.56 | VIad | I took my custom font (helvetica) and the default russian font |
| 18:59.59 | nevcairiel | most custom fonts just reference the font path in Lua or something, and it doesnt work |
| 19:00.06 | VIad | then I edited the font file and merged in the russian buts that were unset in my own font |
| 19:00.13 | VIad | and now I have a custom made font with russian support :P |
| 19:00.21 | kullervo | neat |
| 19:00.36 | VIad | works for tooltips and chat but I use different font on my UI frames so I gotta do it there too but meh... |
| 19:00.37 | nevcairiel | you can do that of course, but fonts have rather strict copy-right and you couldnt distribute something like this |
| 19:00.43 | VIad | I dont |
| 19:00.44 | VIad | its just for me |
| 19:00.51 | VIad | because I like my font :P |
| 19:01.00 | nevcairiel | I wonder why blizzard didnt merge the "normal" and russian fonts though |
| 19:01.04 | foxlit | nevcairiel: most custom fonts just reference the font path in Lua or something, and it doesnt work << most code is written by people who have no idea what they're doing, like viad. |
| 19:01.04 | nevcairiel | its the same base font afaik |
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| 19:01.28 | kullervo | nevcairiel: and asian fonts, pretty much none of my ascii emojis work with the default font :| |
| 19:01.38 | nevcairiel | screw emojis |
| 19:01.50 | kullervo | ༼´ââ౪ââ༽ ã½( ï¾ã®ã»)ã |
| 19:01.52 | karl_w_w | TIL: at age 4 Hitler fell in a river and almost drowned but was saved by a priest |
| 19:01.56 | VIad | foxlit: thanks |
| 19:02.02 | nevcairiel | the asian fonts have entirely different names though, so it might not be the same base font |
| 19:02.12 | kullervo | nevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/QHoC0ZV.gif |
| 19:02.49 | Fisker | I was that priest karl_w_w |
| 19:02.51 | VIad | btw for fun I tried setting my fonts to a 20mb unicode font but wow didnt like it that much, oddly |
| 19:03.45 | VIad | also any way to batch merge fonts where the characters are missing? sounds handy and totally unusefull for most purposes :P |
| 19:04.06 | Semlar | i tried to merge a font once, it was not an experience i intend to experience again |
| 19:04.11 | nevcairiel | i switched to the default font some time ago because some parts of the UI go a bit wonky when the font sizes change, since blizzard was lazy and hardcoded a bunch of things in the UI |
| 19:05.54 | VIad | Semlar: it was hard enough with fontforge as it is unix based so it crashes a lot on windows :p |
| 19:06.03 | VIad | had to hurry copy some russian characters over and save quickly |
| 19:06.42 | Semlar | the one time i successfully merged the fonts it messed up the character heights |
| 19:06.59 | Semlar | so the text was always tiny |
| 19:08.12 | Semlar | and you're right, fontforge barely functions on windows |
| 19:09.50 | VIad | luckily helvatica and the default russian font look okay merged |
| 19:18.57 | VIad | who picks up after jon stewart? |
| 19:22.24 | Semlar | they probably have janitors |
| 19:40.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: please convince my cat to stop drooling on my mouse pad |
| 19:41.17 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, the only way to avoid the cat drooling on your mouse pad is to sit on the couch with her instead, where she can drool on a pillow. |
| 19:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | I recommend a heated cat bed just a smidge further away than the mouse pad. |
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| 19:47.53 | Dagmar | There already is one of those that comes free with every laptop |
| 19:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, that's what zenzelezz's cat believes. :) |
| 19:51.40 | Dagmar | I'm cat sitting for the next two months. |
| 19:52.01 | Dagmar | After the last few nights, I suspect by the time this is over, I will no longer toss and turn while I sleep, for fear of my life. |
| 19:52.30 | Torhal | Cats definitely like to fuck shit up if it's moving under blankets. |
| 19:52.33 | Dagmar | 19lb cat who *loves* the "what's under the blanket" game |
| 20:00.15 | Lopeppeppy | Youngest Cat actually likes the part of that game where I kick him and he goes flying. Crazy cat. |
| 20:01.32 | Ressy | lawlz Dagmar |
| 20:02.35 | Fisker | Cats don't not love the what's the thing under the thing game |
| 20:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | When they interrupt your sex life with that game, you too will kick them in their fuzzy butts. I promise. |
| 20:06.09 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm glad I no longer sleep with my head under the blankets |
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| 20:14.17 | zenzelezz | pompy: looks like in the middle of the night :-| |
| 20:14.35 | Cairenn | 6.2 compliant tag enabled on WoWI, go tag 'em folks. :) |
| 20:16.04 | kd3 | oh shit, tomorrow's release day |
| 20:16.12 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:16.13 | kd3 | has been too busy with his new day job to keep track |
| 20:16.23 | Outrider | And their off! |
| 20:16.27 | Outrider | shit... |
| 20:16.29 | Outrider | they're* |
| 20:16.32 | kd3 | not too busy to vpn home and connect to irc, though... |
| 20:17.21 | Fisker | vpns kd3 |
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| 20:31.13 | zenzelezz | I can't help but feel sad when a phone call ends at 1:00:09 duration |
| 20:31.15 | zenzelezz | nine small seconds |
| 20:31.44 | kullervo | who the hell has hour long phonecalls? |
| 20:32.25 | zenzelezz | coworker had a problem on an urgent-ish project |
| 20:32.39 | zenzelezz | apparently he couldn't Skype it |
| 20:43.16 | Unkle | So, if anyone knows a place that makes amazing canes, I need one. |
| 20:43.44 | zenzelezz | what kind of cane? |
| 20:44.26 | Amarande | A Crook of Charming, of course :) |
| 20:44.30 | Amarande | oh wait, nobody wants a Crook of Charming |
| 20:44.34 | Amarande | Ultima IX was pretty much shit, heh |
| 20:44.42 | Unkle | For walking. Preferably with amazing details and a sword in it. |
| 20:45.07 | Dagmar | The whole "sword" part is where it gets interesting, legally speaking |
| 20:45.25 | Dagmar | I've got one with a skull top, and I just put muffler tape around the place it opens up. |
| 20:45.50 | Seerah | http://www.fashionablecanes.com/ ? |
| 20:45.52 | Dagmar | It works well enough as a cudgel |
| 20:46.56 | Seerah | Look - they even have a Shillelagh :) http://www.fashionablecanes.com/80590.html |
| 20:47.06 | zenzelezz | http://www.coldsteel.com/Sword-Canes.aspx |
| 20:47.19 | zenzelezz | http://www.swordcane.com/ |
| 20:48.35 | Stanzilla | I found a video of Fisker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wZ1rskKUdo |
| 20:48.55 | Seerah | hehe |
| 20:48.59 | Seerah | hey, Fisker |
| 20:49.11 | Cairenn | that one is awesome Seerah |
| 20:49.49 | Unkle | looking at those now. |
| 20:50.06 | zenzelezz | I suppose it's more than just for looks that you need one? |
| 20:50.24 | Unkle | No, I need one. |
| 20:50.31 | Unkle | like, really. |
| 20:50.37 | Unkle | For at least the next year. |
| 20:50.46 | Outrider | owe someone money? |
| 20:50.47 | Cairenn | which sucks, but will be awesome in the long run |
| 20:52.05 | Unkle | No, I have osteoarthritis in my left hip which has nearly completely destroyed the joint and I need one to help with walking until, and after the replacement surgery. |
| 20:53.27 | Seerah | oooohhhh http://www.fashionablecanes.com/M7301.html |
| 20:54.39 | Cairenn | that's nifty, Seerah |
| 20:54.42 | Outrider | Why the sword then? Just Cause (that was the detail I was focused on :)) |
| 20:55.10 | Unkle | Because I like an elegant weapon from a more civilized era. |
| 20:55.18 | Dagmar | Unkle++ |
| 20:55.48 | Outrider | btw Dagmar wheres your name from? |
| 20:55.51 | Cairenn | now, get that one ... with a sword inside |
| 20:55.59 | Dagmar | I pulled it out of my ass about 25 yeara ago |
| 20:56.04 | Unkle | Also, any time I can have something on me that serves as an implement of murder and mayhem, I'm a happy guy. |
| 20:56.28 | Seerah | Oh oh! Or get a can just like House! http://www.fashionablecanes.com/3455.html |
| 20:56.32 | Seerah | *cane |
| 20:56.49 | Outrider | Dagmar: huh, thats funny. So did my brother albeit I dont think 25 years ago |
| 20:56.51 | Dagmar | Christ. Actually longer than that |
| 20:56.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:57.12 | Dagmar | Sometime around 1987 or 88 I think |
| 20:57.37 | Unkle | Seerah: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VR1RHC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 - that's arriving tomorrow. |
| 20:57.43 | Seerah | found the sword category: http://www.fashionablecanes.com/Weapon_Sword_Canes.html |
| 20:57.53 | Outrider | def not my brother then ;). although he was born in 1987 I dont think he had much idea or speech capability |
| 20:57.58 | Outrider | Granted that fact hasnt changed me |
| 20:58.00 | Outrider | much* |
| 20:58.18 | Seerah | Unkle: well then, should I stop looking? :( |
| 20:58.33 | Unkle | No. I appreciate the help. :) |
| 20:58.49 | Dagmar | Thankfully the discussion about whether or not a _sword_ is both a "knife greater than 4 inches in length" and "concealable" got TN to dispose of the slightly useless blade-length regulation |
| 20:58.52 | Unkle | The one that's arriving tomorrow is a starter. I'll need several. |
| 20:59.29 | Unkle | Dagmar: Yeah, my buddy got popped in TN for his sword cane in '91. They decided to 'no bill' it. |
| 20:59.30 | Seerah | Cairenn: there: http://www.fashionablecanes.com/90846.html |
| 20:59.39 | Cairenn | yep :) |
| 20:59.57 | Dagmar | Unkle: My friends were occasionally being hassled for just plain _swords_ |
| 20:59.59 | Cairenn | just need a better handle |
| 21:00.08 | Dagmar | One of whom was carrying a broadsword in it's scabbard |
| 21:00.24 | Seerah | Or, you could have your hand on a lady all day, Unkle: http://www.fashionablecanes.com/90886.html |
| 21:00.30 | Cairenn | they don't bug you if you peace-bond them (usually) |
| 21:00.30 | Dagmar | His perfectly logical argument is that if it wasn't in the scabbard, it would *really* worry people. |
| 21:00.50 | Unkle | Dagmar: I have a dirk and a 'short' sword. I've had them in the car when stopped/searched. Cops didn't give two shits. |
| 21:01.13 | Dagmar | WEll, this guy was walking down Highway 231 on foot |
| 21:01.23 | Dagmar | ...and also wearing a discmail hauberk. |
| 21:01.53 | Seerah | Unkle: aha! or this one - http://www.fashionablecanes.com/90718.html |
| 21:01.57 | Dagmar | Why? Because he wanted to show them to his girlfriend and it was easier to wear them than to just carry them |
| 21:02.02 | Cairenn | Dagmar: Pennsic? |
| 21:02.27 | Dagmar | No, just a 'con goer who liked medieval weaponry |
| 21:02.32 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:02.46 | Unkle | Seerah: That looks nice, but might be uncomfortable to walk on. |
| 21:02.57 | Unkle | But ... ooooo la lal |
| 21:02.58 | Dagmar | Its not often you see someone wearing discmail with a broadsword strapped to their back in Banjo Country |
| 21:03.15 | Cairenn | heh, true enough I'm sure |
| 21:03.16 | Seerah | you don't wanna feel her boobs digging into your palm? |
| 21:03.22 | Unkle | http://www.fashionablecanes.com/91906.html looks nice. |
| 21:03.28 | Dagmar | He said the cops drove past him, then stopped... and backed up slooooowly |
| 21:03.51 | Unkle | but at that price, it's probably a terrible device. |
| 21:04.16 | Dagmar | They "solved" the problem by just giving him a ride the rest of the way to Murfreesboro |
| 21:04.27 | Seerah | this one's pretty - did you see this one? http://www.fashionablecanes.com/91915.html |
| 21:04.36 | Dagmar | Probably the only reasonable solution to it, I think |
| 21:04.53 | Unkle | Seerah: that... that looks amazing. |
| 21:05.06 | Cairenn | ! |
| 21:05.11 | Cairenn | That's GORGEOUS! |
| 21:05.43 | Cairenn | "ding ding ding, we have a winner!" ? |
| 21:06.05 | zenzelezz | that one screams "get off my posh designer yards!" |
| 21:06.09 | Dagmar | Personally, I think I'd want the grip to be leather-wrapped as well, but it shore is purdy |
| 21:06.27 | Unkle | It looks well shaped to a the hand. |
| 21:06.58 | Unkle | But ... it won't support my weight. |
| 21:07.06 | Dagmar | THe lunatic in me wonders whether or not the metal of the grip would be rigid enough to tolerate being used to open beer bottles |
| 21:07.30 | Seerah | Unkle: oh, boo! |
| 21:07.49 | Unkle | It's for people 180lbs. I'm 280lbs. |
| 21:08.02 | Unkle | Tempted to get it anyway. |
| 21:08.04 | Seerah | Yeah. They need to make one stronger :P |
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| 21:11.29 | dfuchs | hey there |
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| 21:12.02 | Seerah | there is a filter to see those for 250+, but they're not as pretty :) |
| 21:12.10 | Seerah | hi dfuchs and alestane |
| 21:12.29 | dfuchs | i'm playing around with creating my first wow addon. my first try is to "look around", e.g. i'm looking for something like "GetHostileUnitsInRange()", which doesn't exist :-) - is there something that i can use to acchieve the same (browsing the API i couldn't find anything) |
| 21:12.38 | dfuchs | hi @Seerah |
| 21:12.45 | nevcairiel | there is no such thing |
| 21:13.04 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 21:13.24 | nevcairiel | tracking enemies around you is a rather advanced topic already |
| 21:13.51 | dfuchs | nevcairiel: that sounds sad, but also challenging :) - is there any documentation / state of research you can point me to? |
| 21:14.08 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 21:14.26 | Seerah | It's unpredictable and unreliable anyway |
| 21:14.56 | stuf | i vaguely remember some ranting about making own unit plates was kind of a kludge |
| 21:15.02 | nevcairiel | there are a few ways to get some information, depending on what you need |
| 21:15.04 | alestane | Heya, Seerah. |
| 21:15.05 | dfuchs | so basically i cannot make a statement like "there's 3 enemies around you, level 80, 90, 100, all hostile"? |
| 21:15.17 | Seerah | not reliably |
| 21:15.17 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:15.22 | dfuchs | wow :) |
| 21:15.35 | nevcairiel | you can try to track through the combat log, but units only show up in the combat log when they do things |
| 21:16.02 | nevcairiel | or you could track through nameplates, but only things you see have nameplates, so something behind you might not necessarily show up |
| 21:16.03 | Seerah | Or watch the nameplates on screen, but that's only for where your camera is pointed |
| 21:16.05 | foxlit | there's no compelling API story here |
| 21:16.18 | nevcairiel | so TL;DR, find a new idea :D |
| 21:16.28 | foxlit | I can tell there are three enemies around me by looking at the screen; levels are largely determined by the zone. |
| 21:16.56 | dfuchs | foxlit: yeah, talking 'bout automation, not my eyes ;-) |
| 21:16.58 | dfuchs | nevcairiel: thanks! |
| 21:17.17 | Seerah | dfuchs: and automation is PRECISELY why there is no api for this |
| 21:18.49 | dfuchs | Seerah: don't get me wrong, not trying to do anything i shouldn't. i want to get into wow specific coding, so i wanted to start with a simple dot tracker, just for the lulz, to learn stuff. that's why i wanted to start with "here's what's around you, you should dot this" |
| 21:18.51 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 21:19.25 | nevcairiel | yeah thats not going to work reliably |
| 21:19.46 | nevcairiel | you couldnt build a click-able UI anyway, and the information is rather spotty |
| 21:20.06 | Unkle | Looks like CA prohibits sword canes under concealed weapons statues so I can't buy it/ship it here. |
| 21:20.19 | Cairenn | bah |
| 21:20.35 | Outrider | Quick question: Anyone know if its possible to know the loot on a mob before the act of actual looting? |
| 21:20.41 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:20.47 | nevcairiel | Unkle: buy an obvious sowrd, but a rubber knob at the end, not so much concealed |
| 21:20.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:20.59 | Unkle | nevcairiel: lol |
| 21:20.59 | Seerah | hehe |
| 21:21.00 | Outrider | kinda figured... damn Constie |
| 21:21.09 | Outrider | er sorry Constie I meant Cairenn |
| 21:21.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:21.20 | dfuchs | didn't tellmewhen or weakauras have a "number of hostile units in range" functionality? could look into this one maybe |
| 21:21.30 | Constie | Have you ever seen me and Cairenn in the same room at the same time? |
| 21:21.50 | Outrider | I've never seen either of you before ever! So... no |
| 21:21.58 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 21:22.10 | nevcairiel | they probably track that through the combat log, but that seems somewhat pointless, even if you could get a list of all enemies around you, finding them to dot them is a whole other matter |
| 21:23.26 | Outrider | Dumb question, but do a bunch of you work together? |
| 21:23.38 | Seerah | nope |
| 21:23.41 | nevcairiel | the combat log can tell you about all hostile units that are actually fighting, ie. doing things that show up |
| 21:24.00 | Cairenn | Well, sort of? |
| 21:24.09 | Seerah | well, yeah, sort of... :) |
| 21:24.13 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 21:24.14 | Outrider | I mean same company / same building type of thing |
| 21:24.16 | Seerah | but not like we see eachother all the time :) |
| 21:24.19 | Constie | We all work together on being better people. |
| 21:24.20 | Cairenn | some |
| 21:24.25 | Seerah | lol |
| 21:24.26 | nevcairiel | Constie: lies |
| 21:24.33 | Cairenn | but in general most of us are remote |
| 21:24.42 | nevcairiel | i'm quite content being evil |
| 21:24.49 | Seerah | I'm sure you are :p |
| 21:24.50 | Unkle | Constie: Speak for yourself. I'm a proud degenerate. |
| 21:24.59 | Seerah | I know you are :p |
| 21:25.30 | Cairenn | It's a very international channel |
| 21:25.32 | kd3 | we're all in this channel at all hours of the day. that's 'working together' for me |
| 21:25.39 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 21:25.48 | dfuchs | nevcairiel: combatlog will be propagated through event messages, right? how would i do things like scanning NamePlates? can you point me somewhere (function names e.g)? |
| 21:25.51 | Amarande | yeah, I'm probably pretty much as remote as it gets at the moment |
| 21:26.00 | Seerah | and a bunch of us have met and hung out, some more than once! |
| 21:26.05 | Amarande | as in, connecticut, a land that's so lacking in geek it could even possibly be called the land of keeg :( |
| 21:26.09 | Cairenn | yay BC |
| 21:26.19 | Outrider | Just what Constie said about seeing together in a room, got me wondering if this was some unofficial company channel :) |
| 21:26.29 | Cairenn | nope |
| 21:26.37 | Outrider | Always assumed we were all just remote devs chatting it up and collabing |
| 21:26.38 | Amarande | it's weird, back in the old BBS days Connecticut was abuzz with geek activity |
| 21:26.44 | Amarande | but then it all just vanished for some reason |
| 21:26.59 | Cairenn | Outrider: and that's pretty much it, yup :) |
| 21:27.11 | Seerah | The Great Geek Migration of '02 |
| 21:27.12 | Outrider | phew that makes me feel a bit better Cairenn :) not sure why., |
| 21:27.19 | Amarande | Seems like it was about the time the ISP industry consolidated from the lots of companies it had had during dialup to the 3-4 there are now across most of the USA |
| 21:27.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:27.38 | Amarande | what was it about '02, anyway |
| 21:27.48 | Amarande | unless people were getting tired of having high pings in UT and Q3, perhaps |
| 21:28.08 | Seerah | https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2002 |
| 21:28.32 | Amarande | since until the mid 2000s or so broadband wasn't quite universal and us folks in sticksier areas were pretty much just expected to be fodder for the ivy league students and high-rent urban district denizens :P |
| 21:28.48 | Outrider | Aren't we still? |
| 21:28.57 | nevcairiel | dfuchs: i never bothered to find out how nameplate scanning really works, and I hear its more of an art than a science |
| 21:29.10 | dfuchs | nevcairiel: :) understood, thanks :) |
| 21:29.33 | dfuchs | can't you just access the heap from lua? :D |
| 21:29.48 | nevcairiel | you cannot |
| 21:29.57 | dfuchs | ^^ |
| 21:30.12 | Amarande | Outrider: nowadays we've got broadband, so we're not suffering from high ping anymore :) |
| 21:30.19 | Seerah | It has to do with going through the children of UI parent and seeing which are actually nameplates and which aren't, iirc... though I've never done it either |
| 21:30.22 | Amarande | back in the 1997-2002 or so era though? ugh. |
| 21:30.38 | nevcairiel | you can ask Semlar about nameplates, i'm sure he has a story to tell, or two |
| 21:30.47 | Amarande | it's probably why I mostly got out of playing fps after the Doom era, apart from some Q1 and later on some UT and UT2004 with friends |
| 21:30.49 | Semlar | twitch |
| 21:30.55 | kd3 | heheh |
| 21:31.07 | Amarande | imo, the railgun was introduced to multiplayer shooters too soon |
| 21:31.19 | dfuchs | Seerah: yummy, traversing the XML tree |
| 21:31.22 | Amarande | especially combined with bastards running anti-camp disconnect mods on their servers almost universally in Q2 |
| 21:31.30 | Seerah | dfuchs: no, not really |
| 21:31.39 | Seerah | UIParent:GetChildren() |
| 21:31.42 | Semlar | traverses seerah's tree |
| 21:31.44 | Seerah | or regions? |
| 21:31.52 | Seerah | ~lart Semlar |
| 21:31.52 | purl | wallops Semlar with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 21:31.52 | nevcairiel | probably children |
| 21:31.53 | Stanzilla | both :p |
| 21:32.10 | nevcairiel | the namplates are clickable, have to be actual frames for that |
| 21:32.16 | nevcairiel | regions are only textures |
| 21:33.10 | Semlar | okay there are too many words for me to read through to figure out what's going on |
| 21:33.23 | Semlar | he wants to track what's around him? |
| 21:33.42 | dfuchs | Semlar: exactly :) |
| 21:33.43 | Seerah | he wants to know if there are mobs around him (in any direction) that he should DoT |
| 21:34.26 | Semlar | well it's theoretically possible to estimate the location of units your group is fighting |
| 21:34.36 | dfuchs | i just (optimistically) started listening to all events too see if there may be an event that is some sort of "new units loading" :) |
| 21:34.51 | dfuchs | Semlar: would be very interested in how! |
| 21:35.47 | Semlar | you know where units within your group are, so you can track their combat events for melee-range events to get an approximation of the enemy's position |
| 21:36.08 | nevcairiel | that is assuming some melee is putting the hurt on them |
| 21:36.10 | Semlar | i wouldn't even bother with nameplates because then you're stuck trying to tie the GUID to the nameplate |
| 21:36.33 | Semlar | although i guess it could help |
| 21:36.43 | Semlar | i think the nameplate range is 37 yards |
| 21:36.52 | Semlar | so you know they're within that |
| 21:36.52 | dfuchs | Semlar: yeah, but then they're already in combat, so listening to the combatlog events would give me the units anyways, wouldn't it? |
| 21:36.54 | foxlit | teehee, Duty Finder ports people into the middle of combat |
| 21:37.08 | foxlit | perpetual cycle of death. |
| 21:37.15 | nevcairiel | whats duty finder |
| 21:37.18 | dfuchs | Semlar: actually it's less about the exact "where" than the pure existance in the first place for now :) |
| 21:37.49 | Seerah | but that depends on you or someone in your group targeting that unit. |
| 21:37.58 | Seerah | mouseover and mouseover casting doesn't count |
| 21:38.03 | dfuchs | getting units from the combatlog events would be ok, having the limitation that they'll have to interact with some friendly unit first |
| 21:38.06 | Semlar | sorry, you just want to know what you're in combat with? |
| 21:38.35 | dfuchs | actually, if i'd have to put it in words it would be more like "what's around me that's hostile that i COULD get in combat with" :) |
| 21:38.58 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: lfg tool in final fantasy I think |
| 21:39.02 | Semlar | what's wrong with just showing hostile nameplates? |
| 21:39.52 | dfuchs | Semlar: i want to learn wow ui dev :) |
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| 21:41.49 | dfuchs | btw. does anyone of you have an opinion on how blizzard reacts to responsible bug disclosure? |
| 21:42.09 | Seerah | what do you mean? |
| 21:42.10 | Stanzilla | "lol" |
| 21:42.45 | dfuchs | i've had rather bad experience in the past with blizzard. used to report some stuff to them which got silently fixed, but after initial contact, there was exactly *no* response at all, besides fixing the issue. |
| 21:42.46 | Semlar | in my experience they ignore anything you report until it becomes a real problem |
| 21:42.56 | Cairenn | and depends on how you communicate it |
| 21:42.57 | Stanzilla | what Semlar said |
| 21:43.05 | Stanzilla | if it's exploitable and gets exploited they will fix it |
| 21:43.13 | Stanzilla | otherwise random(); |
| 21:43.13 | Seerah | what did you expect to hear back? |
| 21:43.44 | [TOM_RUS] | they never respond from my experience |
| 21:43.50 | Semlar | they accept your feedback and put it on the list of things to investigate at some point |
| 21:43.51 | Amarande | foxlit: huh, I can't remember the last time people died because of being ported into a fight during duty finder |
| 21:43.53 | [TOM_RUS] | but they do fix stuff, sometimes |
| 21:44.07 | Amarande | most of the time it seems people stop and wait for the replacement when they lose a party member |
| 21:44.19 | Amarande | at least they did on my server cluster |
| 21:44.57 | Amarande | now dying or almost dying in duty finder in general, god only knows how many times that happened to me |
| 21:45.12 | Amarande | especially as a lv50 dps when getting put into the lowest level dungeons and synced :P |
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| 21:58.32 | dfuchs | regarding the "what's around me?" -> wouldn't any of the UNIT_* events have to fire when a unit suddenly appears? so optimistically, could listening to all the UNIT_* events be enough maybe? |
| 21:59.06 | nevcairiel | enemies dont have units |
| 21:59.44 | dfuchs | oh. wow. that's... ok!? |
| 21:59.54 | dfuchs | srslz? |
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| 22:00.32 | nevcairiel | first of, only friendlies and things related to friendlies have an actual unit, well, plus special boss and arena units |
| 22:00.46 | nevcairiel | so you get "player", "pet", "party1-5", etc. |
| 22:01.01 | nevcairiel | then you get things related to those, "target", "pettarget", "party1target", etc. |
| 22:01.15 | nevcairiel | you can in theory make this target chain go into the infinite, but shrug |
| 22:01.22 | dfuchs | so let's say 10 adds spawning in a boss fight, won't technically be "units"? |
| 22:01.27 | kd3 | nope |
| 22:01.33 | dfuchs | wow |
| 22:01.37 | nevcairiel | if someone targets them, then you can get a unit for them |
| 22:01.54 | nevcairiel | ie. through raid10target |
| 22:02.10 | nevcairiel | however, UNIT_ events only fire for primary units, ie. things directly related to the player |
| 22:02.17 | Seerah | by "unit", you/they mean "unitID" |
| 22:02.23 | Seerah | a unique identifier |
| 22:02.27 | nevcairiel | that excludes things like raid10target |
| 22:02.30 | Seerah | "target", etc. |
| 22:03.12 | dfuchs | what about the "sourceGUID" and "destGUID" in the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT events? |
| 22:03.56 | dfuchs | if i aoe the above group of 10 unnamed (or equally named), untargetted by anyone, hostile mobs. will the GUIDs be empty? |
| 22:03.59 | Seerah | those aren't "unitID" - those are GUID - they are an internal code used to identify that very one instance of that very one unit on the server |
| 22:04.03 | kd3 | it's difficult-to-impossible to translate GUIDs to UnitIDs |
| 22:04.05 | nevcairiel | those are GUIDs, you can use them to uniquely identify any unit, but there is barely any API function which takes a GUID as a parameter |
| 22:04.23 | nevcairiel | and GUIDs should always be filled |
| 22:04.30 | nevcairiel | sometimes they are not, but that are rare special cases |
| 22:04.40 | dfuchs | hmk :/ |
| 22:04.42 | nevcairiel | so you can usually rely on the combat log having a GUID |
| 22:04.51 | Seerah | see here for more on unitID: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types |
| 22:04.51 | dfuchs | thank you guys already a lot! :) |
| 22:07.33 | dfuchs | so basically you're saying there's no reverse for UnitGUID() :) |
| 22:07.42 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 22:08.26 | dfuchs | (which, even if it existed, would only help getting units already in combat) :/ |
| 22:08.31 | Seerah | only about the player http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#unit |
| 22:08.56 | Seerah | You can get the unitGUID of any valid unitID |
| 22:09.33 | Seerah | but, again, that would be "target", "mouseover", "party1target", etc. |
| 22:10.43 | dfuchs | "digits 11-16 have no intrinsic meaning, but distinguish this Underbelly Rat from all others spawned since the last server reset." :))))) |
| 22:10.54 | dfuchs | love for the author :) |
| 22:11.30 | kd3 | note that the GUID doc on wowprogramming is out of date |
| 22:11.43 | kd3 | http://wow.gamepedia.com/GUID |
| 22:12.58 | dfuchs | which site would you recommend to look up the API docs anyways? using a combination of gamepedia/wikia/wowprogramming atm |
| 22:13.02 | kullervo | can anyone confirm if the client will attempt to use existing wow tokens in character inventories before buying new ones when out of prepaid time? |
| 22:14.39 | kd3 | don't use wowwiki (wikia). use wowpedia and wowprogramming |
| 22:14.40 | dfuchs | kullervo: i'd *guess* existing first, but didn't observe it. you could buy the tokens on a char below lvl10, which you can still login with |
| 22:14.48 | dfuchs | kd3: ok, thanks |
| 22:15.09 | kullervo | dfuchs: so you're saying I can still log on my bank alt? |
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| 22:17.40 | dfuchs | kullervo: you account is automatically being .. "degraded" to a trial account, so you can still login to chars below lvl 10 |
| 22:17.50 | kullervo | neat |
| 22:17.59 | dfuchs | (that's my knowledge at least) |
| 22:18.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty limited in what you can do, though |
| 22:18.37 | dfuchs | Mr_Rabies: sure, but using tokens should work :) |
| 22:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, definitely |
| 22:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | they want the tokens to be as easy to use as possible |
| 22:18.57 | Mr_Rabies | since it's basically free money |
| 22:19.56 | dfuchs | the token move was sooooo gorgeous :) |
| 22:20.33 | dfuchs | every token that's sold is actually playtime sold for 20 bucks instead of 11-15 for blizzard :) |
| 22:26.37 | Amarande | also I'm pretty sure if you have enough total gold on your account to buy a token, you can do it from the character screen regardless of the levels of the characters holding it, but I'm not 100% certain on that |
| 22:26.46 | Amarande | (or how it distributes the expenditure if you do do it that way) |
| 22:26.51 | kullervo | yeah but for those players who are drowning in gold it's a couple of beers each month |
| 22:27.27 | Amarande | dfuchs: yeah I'm surprised in a way that they're being so restrictive about the tokens in terms of the trade process |
| 22:27.42 | Amarande | you'd think they would want to encourage them to be traded over and over like PLEX or CREDD |
| 22:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | they're minimizing fraud |
| 22:27.56 | Amarande | especially since if a token is always traded and never redeemed, that's free money for blizz |
| 22:28.29 | Amarande | just like when you hear about "$300,000 being destroyed in epic battle in EVE!" that means CCP ends up having got that much free revenue because people bought PLEXs which were never redeemed and eventually destroyed |
| 22:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | if someone broke into your account, converted all your gold into tokens, and then traded it to someone, you'd be SOL |
| 22:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | since it's locked to the account they can't really do that |
| 22:29.12 | Amarande | hm, wonder how CCP and (dammit I don't know who runs wildstar) deal with that |
| 22:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | they probably don't really care, and eve/wildstar accounts aren't exactly in high demand anymore |
| 22:29.41 | Amarande | pretty sure CCP doesn't care if you get scammed in-game, that's the way the galaxy rolls, but I doubt they look highly on account hackings |
| 22:30.17 | Mr_Rabies | wildstar's basically dead, eve's always been incredibly niche |
| 22:30.26 | kullervo | Mr_Rabies: so instead they trade the gold |
| 22:30.41 | Amarande | far as I know though you can be as much of a P.T. Barnum scamming sociopath in game as you like and apart from that eventually you won't be able to venture out of fullsec without half the server trying to blow your ship to smithereens there's no disciplinary fallout :P |
| 22:30.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but that's more easily recoverable, typically, kullervo |
| 22:31.21 | kullervo | I'm hearing some shit about people having their accounts "hacked" despite having authenticator |
| 22:31.32 | Mr_Rabies | but tokens can be redeemed, etc |
| 22:31.46 | Amarande | (hell, if you're notorious enough, someone may even decide to blow you to smithereens in fullsec, damn the fact that they'll have to replace the ship they use to do it LOL) |
| 22:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's always been reports of that |
| 22:31.50 | kullervo | idk if that's even possible, since the authenticator is basically a one-time pad |
| 22:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | hell, mine got hacked once with the call-in authenticator that they retired super fast |
| 22:32.17 | Mr_Rabies | basically if you logged in from somewhere other than home, you had to call in |
| 22:32.27 | kullervo | they have sms protection now don't they? |
| 22:32.29 | Amarande | kullervo: far as I know, all they need is the current time and the authenticator serial code and they can pretty much get out the code |
| 22:32.40 | Mr_Rabies | apparently china is close enough to the southeast us to count as being home |
| 22:32.48 | Mr_Rabies | because someone logged into my account from china |
| 22:32.53 | kullervo | haha |
| 22:32.54 | Amarande | and I think there's been unauthorised authenticator apps made for Windows |
| 22:33.10 | kullervo | tbh I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that |
| 22:33.18 | Amarande | so people dumbly run the authenticator on the same computer they log onto wow from, which cuts the security advantage substantially |
| 22:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | or use a program that may pass deets over to a third party |
| 22:33.46 | Amarande | the sad thing is it basically means windows mobile devices will probably never get an authenticator |
| 22:34.10 | Amarande | because either they restrict it to phones only (in which case tablet owners complain that it doesn't work on their device) |
| 22:34.30 | Amarande | or else they have to make it for ARM tablets only (how many people really bought Surface RT?) |
| 22:34.53 | Amarande | or else, because of the way the Windows Store works, if it's available on x86 tablets it's also available on your computer, which means the security advantage of not being able to have the authenticator on the same device you game from is nulled |
| 22:35.05 | Amarande | (never mind the fact that some crazy diamonds have apparently even played WoW itself on x86 tablets ...) |
| 22:35.07 | kullervo | yeah it's probably "easiest" to do as a MITM |
| 22:35.36 | dfuchs | Amarande: you can trade tokens?? |
| 22:35.46 | Amarande | dfuchs: nope. but in most other games that use a similar model you can |
| 22:35.47 | dfuchs | Amarande: the ones i've bought can only be redeemed, not traded |
| 22:35.50 | dfuchs | yeah |
| 22:35.55 | Amarande | hence why I thought it a bit odd that WoW didn't follow suit |
| 22:36.02 | dfuchs | and yeah, if you've got the gold separated, it will still work |
| 22:36.17 | dfuchs | if multiple chars have more than enough money, it's equally taken from all of them |
| 22:36.20 | Amarande | also fraud could have been combated by having a temporary lock on tokens after purchase |
| 22:36.41 | Amarande | that's how SW:TOR does it, anything bought from the cartel market is bound to you for 36 hours after purchase as a fraud-combating technique |
| 22:36.47 | Amarande | but most such items become tradable after that |
| 22:38.23 | kullervo | yeah so I heard, a friend tested that earlier |
| 22:40.08 | Amarande | the only really annoying things about the TOR method are that it's bound to character instead of account for those 36 hours |
| 22:40.33 | Amarande | and that IIRC items from the random item packs get locked for 36 hours *from the time you open the pack* |
| 22:40.46 | Amarande | even if the pack itself was bought long ago, heck even if you buy it from the GTN |
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