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| 01:51.21 | Arrowmaster | i got a legendary from my tavern brawl free deck |
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| 01:56.50 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: same, alakir |
| 01:56.57 | Arrowmaster | sylvannis |
| 01:57.04 | jleclanche | sylvanas plz |
| 01:57.05 | Arrowmaster | and 20 dust |
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| 03:13.42 | Fisker | accidentally traverses the atlantic to hug Cairenn |
| 03:13.48 | Cairenn | rofl! |
| 03:13.52 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 03:55.43 | Kaylin | anyone working on fun addons? |
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| 04:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 04:11.12 | Mr_Rabies | is the conditional [combat,dead] |
| 04:11.16 | Mr_Rabies | in combat OR dead |
| 04:11.24 | Mr_Rabies | or in combat AND dead (which is impossible, i think?) |
| 04:14.26 | phelps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpUT3du6yPo |
| 04:15.18 | Iriel | Isnât OR [combat][dead]? |
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| 04:27.06 | pnorman | when you can't release, is that combat and dead? |
| 04:40.31 | Neffi | No I dont believe dead units can be in combat |
| 04:40.49 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: If you want OR, you make two separate conditional brackets: [combat] [dead] |
| 04:40.59 | Neffi | Everything in the same bracket is AND |
| 04:50.18 | Semlar | kills neffi and takes his combat |
| 04:50.27 | Neffi | D: |
| 04:50.31 | Neffi | y u do dis |
| 04:50.38 | Semlar | oh alright you can have the combat |
| 04:51.10 | Neffi | :D |
| 04:51.41 | Semlar | but not while dead |
| 04:54.15 | Neffi | :| |
| 04:59.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.14 | Neffi | wat |
| 05:02.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.33 | Neffi | wtf is this |
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| 05:02.49 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.05 | Neffi | Semlar: stahp i can't take it anymore |
| 05:03.10 | Semlar | :O |
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| 05:44.04 | Torhal | Semlar: What the hell is that from? |
| 05:44.18 | Torhal | That's how Neffi should get to work, TBH. |
| 05:44.21 | Semlar | the internet |
| 05:44.32 | Torhal | stabs Semlar with an Obvious Dagger. |
| 05:45.53 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.33 | Semlar | i just assume this is how they do things over there |
| 05:46.39 | Torhal | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N1HUbusarY |
| 05:48.58 | Semlar | finnish him! |
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| 05:51.18 | Torhal | No bad puns, Semlar. |
| 05:51.27 | Torhal | They're strictly forbidden on The Internet. |
| 05:51.28 | Semlar | is there any other kind |
| 05:51.55 | Semlar | are you punishing me |
| 05:52.23 | Semlar | neffi help |
| 05:53.41 | Torhal | Neffi cannot save you now, Semlar. He's being air-lifted via excavator. |
| 05:54.08 | Semlar | wouldn't that make it an evacuator |
| 05:54.30 | Torhal | Perhaps. |
| 05:54.35 | Torhal | Only Neffi would know for certain. |
| 05:55.48 | Semlar | he's in a better place |
| 06:05.40 | Neffi | wat |
| 06:06.48 | Semlar | HE'S IN A BETTER PLACE |
| 06:06.58 | Neffi | no I'm right here |
| 06:07.17 | Semlar | how is it |
| 06:07.24 | Neffi | its p nice |
| 06:08.54 | Torhal | Neffi: Watch that youtube video I linked. |
| 06:09.34 | Neffi | what crazy language is that |
| 06:09.39 | Semlar | finlandish |
| 06:10.13 | Neffi | oh man |
| 06:10.44 | nevcairiel | its norwegian, ignorant fools! |
| 06:11.30 | Neffi | :( |
| 06:12.10 | Semlar | norway |
| 06:12.12 | Neffi | i dunno man, even youtube comments says finnish |
| 06:12.23 | Neffi | have you ever known youtube comments to be wrong about things? |
| 06:12.38 | nevcairiel | because the commenters are probably american, and they dont know shit about the world? |
| 06:13.03 | Neffi | or maybe they're so enlightened they dont need to know better |
| 06:13.13 | nevcairiel | statoil is a norwegian company, and the text is clearly not finnish |
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| 06:13.29 | nevcairiel | not that I speak finnish, but finnish is quite different from the other nordic languages |
| 06:13.39 | Semlar | both of the people in the video are finnish |
| 06:13.52 | Neffi | yeah i hear it's around 60% less comprehensible |
| 06:15.53 | Semlar | someone around here must be from over there |
| 06:16.01 | maunot | o/ |
| 06:16.10 | Semlar | what language is this! |
| 06:16.25 | maunot | uh, it are finlandese languag ... |
| 06:16.32 | Semlar | there you go |
| 06:16.40 | steino | the text of the video is norwegian |
| 06:16.42 | Semlar | clearly an expert third party opinion |
| 06:16.43 | steino | the guys speak finnish |
| 06:17.05 | Semlar | by democratic vote, they're speaking finnish |
| 06:19.46 | Semlar | who puts lettuce on a hotdog though |
| 06:21.38 | Semlar | neffi i got a surface pro |
| 06:21.44 | Torhal | Who puts lettuce on a Neffi? |
| 06:22.17 | Semlar | but its ping to my router is super unstable unless i tilt it straight up and keep my hand on the top of it |
| 06:22.57 | Semlar | so.. i don't know if the antenna was knocked loose or what |
| 06:23.25 | Semlar | maybe it's feeding off my life force |
| 06:23.53 | Semlar | but that can't be right because i have no life |
| 06:25.56 | Torhal | It's clearly feeding off of the biome in your car, Semlar. |
| 06:26.08 | Semlar | ugh my car |
| 06:26.20 | Semlar | now that it's hot and wet all the time the inside of my car is like a greenhouse |
| 06:27.49 | nevcairiel | grow some tomatoes in there |
| 06:27.55 | Semlar | i probably could grow something |
| 06:28.51 | Neffi | Semlar: why? |
| 06:28.52 | Semlar | it might need to be hydroponic |
| 06:29.24 | Semlar | something leaks |
| 06:29.33 | Neffi | you mean something leeks? |
| 06:30.06 | Semlar | i really should just drill a hole in the bottom of the car |
| 06:30.17 | Neffi | wat |
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| 06:31.47 | Semlar | i can't figure out where the water is coming in and it has nowhere to drain |
| 06:33.19 | Neffiphone | but car wants to identify as a boat. you should accept its life choices |
| 06:33.30 | nevcairiel | boats have the water on the outside |
| 06:33.32 | nevcairiel | car is confused |
| 06:33.35 | Semlar | you're saying i should install a bilge pump? |
| 06:33.40 | Neffiphone | you sure about that? |
| 06:34.41 | Neffiphone | semlar I think I ate too many french fries. my tummy hurts. |
| 06:35.12 | Semlar | why did you eat too many french fries |
| 06:35.36 | nevcairiel | arent they called freedom fries in the muricas |
| 06:35.39 | Neffiphone | because they were good |
| 06:35.51 | Neffiphone | no nev that was just a joke |
| 06:36.02 | nevcairiel | so is murica |
| 06:36.07 | Neffiphone | :( |
| 06:37.44 | Semlar | there's nothing more american than eating too many french fries |
| 06:38.03 | Neffiphone | oh so ill be ok? |
| 06:38.18 | Semlar | i didn't say that |
| 06:38.40 | Neffiphone | D: |
| 06:41.58 | Semlar | no, no i looked up your symptoms in webmd |
| 06:42.04 | Semlar | it's not looking good |
| 06:42.26 | Neffiphone | give it to me straight doc |
| 06:42.50 | Semlar | you might be pregnant |
| 06:42.57 | Neffiphone | :O |
| 06:43.41 | Semlar | are you having any unusual cravings? |
| 06:44.07 | Semlar | brains? |
| 06:44.17 | Semlar | peanut butter? |
| 06:44.38 | Neffiphone | maybe brains |
| 06:44.44 | Semlar | oh dear |
| 06:45.05 | Neffiphone | so what does that mean? it's a boy...? |
| 06:45.19 | Semlar | we may have to put you down |
| 06:45.35 | Neffiphone | what!? this is ridiculous! |
| 06:45.39 | Semlar | it's for the best. |
| 06:45.55 | Neffiphone | I'm absolutely fine. I'm in tip to.... must.... |
| 06:46.08 | Neffiphone | BRAINS! must have brains |
| 06:46.34 | Neffiphone | chases semlar with a fork |
| 06:46.38 | Semlar | no brains here, move along |
| 06:46.54 | Semlar | hides behind torhal |
| 06:47.27 | Neffiphone | eyes torhal's many cats |
| 06:53.16 | Semlar | it doesn't work if torhal is afk |
| 06:57.48 | Semlar | probably tending to a herd of cats |
| 06:58.14 | Neffiphone | maybe sleeping. I should maybe be sleeping too |
| 06:59.07 | Semlar | are you going to let your biological functions rule your life |
| 07:03.23 | Neffiphone | probably |
| 07:03.51 | Neffiphone | they've done a good enough job.of it until now |
| 07:05.06 | Neffiphone | I mean, my brain can really only get in the way. like eating too many fries. I should just leave my body to do its thing from now on |
| 07:06.51 | Semlar | this can only end well |
| 07:07.09 | Semlar | autopilot engaged |
| 07:08.15 | Neffiphone | goes to sleep |
| 07:09.29 | Semlar | zzz |
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| 08:37.19 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/a/QqSnE |
| 08:37.23 | karl_w_w | shudders |
| 08:43.56 | karl_w_w | woo woo, freedom planet going on sale tomorrow |
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| 12:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | is stalking alestane. |
| 12:35.17 | Fisker | stalks Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:42.08 | Lopeppeppy | Eeek, help. |
| 12:44.17 | bluspacecow | what happen Lopeppeppy ? |
| 12:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm stalking alestane, and Fisker is stalking me. It's a chain reaction. |
| 12:45.01 | bluspacecow | if alestane is stalking you thatâs an endless loop |
| 12:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure he will, given time to get around to it. |
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| 15:13.03 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/BIqmOXb.png |
| 15:14.32 | Amarande | AMD FTW |
| 15:14.44 | Amarande | thinking if I want to get the R7 360 as my small, squad card choice or if I'll stick with the 260X |
| 15:14.48 | Amarande | probably get the 260X still |
| 15:14.59 | Amarande | mainly because the 360 means I'll probably have to run bleeding edge distros for a while :| |
| 15:15.20 | Amarande | since I'm pretty sure what applied with nvidia cards applies to amd as well |
| 15:15.34 | Amarande | just because it's the same GPU chip *does not* mean that the driver will recognise the model :P |
| 15:15.59 | Amarande | (when I tried running wheezy with my GTX 770 I discovered that ... the drivers on wheezy supported the 680 but not the 770, despite both being GK104 :P) |
| 15:16.39 | karl_w_w | the 300 series is almost identical to the 200 |
| 15:17.40 | Amarande | yeah, that too |
| 15:17.45 | Amarande | and the savings on the 360 would be all of $5 |
| 15:17.49 | Amarande | they're apparently out on newegg already |
| 15:20.51 | nevcairiel | You know that for things like gpu drivers you can usually find a backport |
| 15:21.47 | Mihau | The R9 Fury X - What is its price point? I am looking to upgrade my GTX 770. |
| 15:22.45 | karl_w_w | $650 for the X |
| 15:23.05 | nevcairiel | Expensive |
| 15:23.30 | karl_w_w | well yes, it is the fastest thing on the market |
| 15:24.00 | karl_w_w | Amarande, 200 series doesn't support vulkan |
| 15:24.18 | Amarande | karl_w_w: last I had heard they were planning to do vulkan on every card that's GCN based |
| 15:24.43 | nevcairiel | They are cheating though, shoving a water cooler down your throat to sustain those clocks |
| 15:25.06 | Amarande | wow, wonder if we're about to see a future of being frog marched through GPU upgrades eventually, especially if we like cheap rather than top end |
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| 15:25.46 | Amarande | on linux because eventually you'll need a new driver version to support wayland once that goes mainstream, and that means most of the older cheapo cards will run into trouble |
| 15:25.53 | karl_w_w | they'll probably do what support they can, but it's never as stable or feature-complete as a card built with it in mind |
| 15:25.57 | Amarande | on windows because of this whole forced update thing on current branch |
| 15:26.12 | Amarande | I'm still wondering how that's going to apply to drivers, particularly with AMD's policy of phasing out cards that are more than 3-4 or so generations old |
| 15:26.29 | Amarande | (not that I'm sure how AMD is going to handle that with the fact that the past 3-4 generations or so have mostly been rebadges of each other ...) |
| 15:26.48 | nevcairiel | Well that's mostly AMD, nvidia keeps supporting a log more cards, and the linux driver has the same cards in it as the windows one |
| 15:27.15 | Amarande | if you don't stick with the latest cards will we eventually wake up to a message saying that we've been cut back to basic windows vga and need to purchase a new graphics card to continue? :P |
| 15:27.45 | Amarande | nevcairiel: on the other hand, AMD's open source driver seems to be a lot more adept at staying caught up |
| 15:28.10 | Amarande | whereas nvidia's ... I believe someone ran a GTX 560 with the open source drivers a while back, said it functioned about as well as intel integrated graphics :D |
| 15:28.43 | nevcairiel | Nvidia doesn't have a open source driver, nouveau is third party |
| 15:29.02 | Amarande | plus the same problem often doesn't even occur on AMD at all |
| 15:29.21 | nevcairiel | And the binary driver works fine. Rumor has it that it will even get KMS soo |
| 15:29.27 | nevcairiel | +n |
| 15:29.33 | Amarande | many AMD cards don't have a super low idle speed by default, instead run full or almost full (not 100% sure how the whole boost thing works) tilt |
| 15:29.54 | nevcairiel | That seems like a problem. :p |
| 15:30.16 | Amarande | the problem with nouveau is that it doesn't support GPU power management which means cards are stuck at the speed intended for idleness/desktop all the time |
| 15:31.13 | Amarande | actually, this whole windows 10/windows subscription after that/forced update stuff makes me sigh badly about the future of computers :( |
| 15:31.42 | Amarande | because it seems like it could (wouldn't be surprised if it does) very easily get used as a means of forcing us to throw away (not resell, because it'll be basically useless) perfectly functioning hardware |
| 15:31.58 | Amarande | through frog marching us through updates so that eventually, well, sorry man it's just not supported anymore, whaddaya know. LOL |
| 15:32.10 | nevcairiel | You are one of those morons? |
| 15:32.18 | nevcairiel | There is no subscription |
| 15:32.29 | Amarande | linux seems less bleak, especially on systems with distros like debian stable, except for that jump when wayland comes out |
| 15:32.40 | Amarande | or I should say, when distros decide to replace X with wayland by default |
| 15:32.59 | Amarande | nevcairiel: the usual buzz I hear is that 10 won't be subscription, but the version of Windows after 10 will be |
| 15:33.34 | nevcairiel | And you believe every rumor spread by people like you, nodnod |
| 15:33.52 | Amarande | still, apparently if you're on Current Branch, 10 *does* have the update frogmarch |
| 15:34.32 | Amarande | and come to think of it I haven't seen anything at all about whether that will mean eventually if you don't keep upgrading hardware like a good little consumer, the driver rug might get pulled out from under you if it's policy for the hardware vendor to sunset older hardware regularly |
| 15:35.48 | Amarande | nevcairiel: oh, and as for backport drivers ... when I tried wheezy with the 770 last year, I found even the backport was too old and was forced to move to jessie to be able to get a package |
| 15:36.05 | nevcairiel | If a driver doesn't support your hardware, you cannot install it, therfor it can not replace a working driver with one that does not support your hardware anymore |
| 15:36.46 | nevcairiel | Also, I ran wheezy on a recent nvidia just fine |
| 15:37.00 | nevcairiel | 700 series too |
| 15:37.40 | nevcairiel | Just had to go fishing for a driver |
| 15:43.38 | Amarande | I wonder if there will be an option to keep classic X instead of moving on to wayland |
| 15:43.58 | Amarande | which seems kinda silly to do anyway, I'm not entirely sure why e.g. Fedora wants to do it |
| 15:44.26 | Amarande | practically speaking, so many applications require X, including many that may not ever be updated again given the way open source often is, so it will be years before you'll stop having to keep running X on top of wayland anyways :P |
| 15:49.44 | karl_w_w | well you guys are funny |
| 15:49.58 | karl_w_w | AMD supports back to HD 5000 which was released in 2009 |
| 15:50.17 | karl_w_w | nvidia supports back to GTX 400, released in 2010 |
| 15:57.59 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not even sure whether AMD plans to continue the three-gen policy all that strictly |
| 15:58.34 | Amarande | one, everything 7000 and newer is practically a single-generation soup |
| 15:59.09 | Amarande | two, it'd impact APU users pretty harsh, and they can't afford to piss off customers in the CPU market |
| 15:59.18 | nevcairiel | Which is part of their problem IMHO, I wonder how long they can really keep making it on that architecture |
| 15:59.19 | Amarande | they have few enough loyalists there as it is :( |
| 15:59.47 | Amarande | nevcairiel: well, in contrast, one gets the feeling Nvidia wastes a lot of resources on producing new chips that they don't really need to |
| 16:00.05 | nevcairiel | That's how innovation happens |
| 16:00.08 | Amarande | I mean, due to the general diagonal performance relationships |
| 16:00.34 | Amarande | i.e., if you write the GTX numbers out in rows for each gen (keeping *80 above *80, *70 above *70 etc.) |
| 16:00.48 | Amarande | and draw a diagonal line going up and to the left through the numbers, generally cards on the same diagonal tend to have about the same performance |
| 16:01.09 | Amarande | which basically means only the 80 card and the Titans are really breaking new *performance* ground each generation anyway ... might as well just out and rebadge |
| 16:01.30 | Amarande | which in some cases they already do, 770 and 680 have similar performance because *they're both GK104* |
| 16:01.42 | Amarande | but that suggests the 960 might as well have also been kept as GK104 |
| 16:02.12 | Amarande | which is basically what AMD does, since only the top end cards are really going to break new performance ground anyway, they only invest into brand new designs for those |
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| 16:02.42 | nevcairiel | Justifying rebadging on performance grounds is stupid. The 970 is far more efficient than a 780, plus it has other architectural improvements |
| 16:03.18 | Amarande | yeah, I keep forgetting about maxwell power efficiency |
| 16:03.37 | Amarande | on the other hand not being able to properly use 12.5% of the provided video RAM is *not* an architecture improvement :) |
| 16:03.58 | nevcairiel | The 960 for example is super efficient, plus it has a brand new video decoder which makes that card quite interesting for a htpc |
| 16:04.22 | Amarande | also it occurs to me that some of nvidia's business strategies appear to depend on actually having new silicon each time around |
| 16:05.05 | Amarande | like being able to dick around AMD (and older nvidia card) owners by whispering in the ear of game devs to include things like HairWorks that work like crap on anything that's not the latest nvidia :P |
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| 16:06.04 | Amarande | actually that's a point in favour of AMD right there, though |
| 16:06.06 | nevcairiel | AMD does the same, they have TressFX or what it's called for hair which also ran quite badly on nvidia at first |
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| 16:06.56 | Amarande | With AMD, you can generally be more or less assured that the card you have will perform at the specs of the card you have, without much if anything in the way of artificial API/coding impediments, as games get newer |
| 16:07.12 | Amarande | With Nvidia? Got a Kepler? Good, you do even worse in HairWorks than an R9. :( |
| 16:07.42 | Amarande | nevcairiel: from what I understand that's somewhat different |
| 16:07.45 | nevcairiel | That was fixed recently |
| 16:08.06 | Amarande | AMD comes up with new things and invites Nvidia and Intel to join in on them |
| 16:08.19 | Amarande | Nvidia turns down the offer and comes up with their own thing, which they then steadfastly refuse to let AMD or Intel use |
| 16:08.22 | Fisker | like terrible products? |
| 16:08.25 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 16:08.27 | nevcairiel | Because they don't have the market share to do anything on their own |
| 16:08.32 | Amarande | and then whispers in the ear of game devs to get the Nvidia version used :P |
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| 16:08.56 | Amarande | Fisker: like TressFX or OpenCL or Mantle, as opposed to HairWorks or CUDA or hmm does Nvidia even have a counterpart to mantle yet |
| 16:09.07 | nevcairiel | But I am sure you will also find some defense for things like AMD not supporting HDMI 2.0 in their brand new card |
| 16:09.13 | nevcairiel | Fanbois be delusional |
| 16:09.39 | Amarande | nevcairiel: probably because most people who cared that much about early 4K adoption already moved to DisplayPort, which already supported 60 Hz 4K just fine |
| 16:09.40 | nevcairiel | Nvidia does dx12, more generic than anything :P |
| 16:09.54 | nevcairiel | TVs don't have DP |
| 16:10.01 | nevcairiel | Want movie? Buy nvidia |
| 16:10.08 | nevcairiel | Or heck even Intel |
| 16:10.22 | Amarande | also 4k movies haven't really achieved very much traction |
| 16:10.29 | Fisker | Want anything but compute? Buy Nvidia |
| 16:10.36 | Amarande | probably because of the popularity of streaming |
| 16:10.38 | Fisker | and the compute part is only because nvidia wants you to buy tesla instead |
| 16:10.56 | Amarande | and the US internet infrastructure can barely handle 1080p streaming at peak hours, let alone 4k |
| 16:11.23 | Amarande | (that and the presence of caps means many people probably wouldn't want to stream 4k even if they could, I'm sure) |
| 16:12.02 | Amarande | hell I remember when AT&T implemented caps on their DSL, there was a long thread on AT&T forums where people were actually advising folks to downgrade to the LOWEST DSL speed if they watched netflix |
| 16:12.32 | Amarande | (because netflix adapts quality to available bandwidth, so if you have higher speeds it'll improve the image fairly little on many movies but burn your cap a lot faster) |
| 16:13.20 | Amarande | Fisker: want your graphics card to be viable for longer? buy AMD, especially on Linux where Vulkan is more likely to see adoption |
| 16:13.30 | Amarande | has Nvidia recanted their stance on Vulkan yet, or are they planning to stick to full tilt DX12? |
| 16:14.30 | Dagmar | THat infrastructure is a problem with Netflix is a matter of ISPs being too fucking lazy to spend $300 on a GBIC. |
| 16:14.49 | Dagmar | 1080p just isn't so much bandwidth that a cablemodem should struggle with it. |
| 16:15.06 | Dagmar | ...and Comcast are DICKS for refusing to take the Netflix caching box without being paid for hosting it. |
| 16:15.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: the last I read, it was that the peering points were clogged |
| 16:15.51 | Amarande | hence a major reason for the whole net neutrality firestorm, because it was largely a huge tug of war between consumer ISPs and commercial ISPs about who should have to pick up the tab for upgrades, dicking us users around in between :P |
| 16:16.48 | Amarande | not to mention discovering a major shady reason for why consumer ISPs do not want people running servers on residential lines. :| |
| 16:18.14 | Amarande | (which, it is said, is because they want to ensure a massively unequal flow of data at the peering point, so that they can then try to allege the peers should have to pay extra) |
| 16:23.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: Level3 was very, very clear about _why_ the peering points are clogged. Comcast has refused to install the cables to add more channels between themselves and Level 3, despite there being ports free and no additional cost to widen that section of the pipe. |
| 16:24.20 | Dagmar | Their largest bandwidth consumption comes from Netflix, which would rapidly _cease_ being a problem if Comcast would stop dicking around and take the "Netflix" box that Netflix is offering them |
| 16:24.34 | Dagmar | It's literally a caching proxy for Netflix with a fuckton of storage in it. |
| 16:25.11 | Dagmar | Deduplicating the video transfers across the congestion points would help reduce that congestion almost immediately |
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| 16:28.59 | Dagmar | Seriously. a 20 foot cat6 run and a pair of GBIC are fucking _cheap_ |
| 16:29.11 | Dagmar | You would drop that $600 in a hot second if you could |
| 16:29.52 | Dagmar | Comcast... they just expect that no one could possibly understand the intricacies of peering hardware, despite the fact that there's several thousand people running around who do it every day and happen to also be Comcast customers |
| 16:30.56 | Ressy | Funny thing.. |
| 16:31.00 | Ressy | Netflix has cache servers.. |
| 16:31.28 | Ressy | My ISP has a netflix cache server in its network. |
| 16:31.42 | Ressy | Most of the Canadian ISPs do. |
| 16:31.52 | Dagmar | Yep. The last time Comcast started running their mouths making false claims to the press, both Level3 and Netflix spoke up and put them into their place |
| 16:31.56 | Mihau | Dagmar: Why should Netflix get a free pass from Comcast? All other customers that host directly with Comcast have to pay. |
| 16:32.04 | Dagmar | Mihau: Have to pay for _what_ |
| 16:32.20 | Mihau | You want to host your servers in a Comcast data center, you have to pay. |
| 16:32.33 | Dagmar | This is not a traditional hosting situation |
| 16:32.33 | Ressy | thats not whats happening? |
| 16:32.58 | Dagmar | This device literally serves no other purpose but to cache the content and reduce transit usage |
| 16:33.29 | Ressy | Transit/peering which Comcast didn't want to be paying for. |
| 16:33.31 | Mihau | Does not matter if it is not traditional. That is not how Comcast sees it. However, they are still being dicks about the interconnect links. |
| 16:33.38 | Dagmar | When someone is _handing_ you a very expensive box with a shitton of disks in it, in order to _improve the efficiency of your network_, the proper response is to say "Thank you." |
| 16:33.44 | Ressy | ^ |
| 16:34.07 | Dagmar | Comcast doesn't see it that way because they're fucking idiots and it serves their argument that everyone should pay them more money, all the time, no matter what |
| 16:34.37 | Dagmar | You _pay_ for hosting in other circumstances becuase you're not providing any benefit to the place that is hosting |
| 16:35.06 | Dagmar | For Comcast to take on a Netflix caching box would benefit Comcast more than it benefits Netflix, actually |
| 16:35.07 | Ressy | https://openconnect.netflix.com/ |
| 16:35.17 | Ressy | Essentially, that would reduce netflix transit 90%. |
| 16:35.24 | Amarande | huh. I'm not even seeing Windows drivers for the Rx 300 series on AMD's site yet |
| 16:35.27 | Ressy | which would mean they wouldn't be fighting level3 for costs. |
| 16:36.07 | Dagmar | The thing that kills me is that caching was a design consideration for HTTP right from the start, and Comcast over time has drifted so far away from it that they aren't doing any anymore |
| 16:36.40 | Dagmar | The first two years I was a customer with them, they had a transparent caching proxy in the Nashville datacenter |
| 16:36.54 | Mihau | Comcast provides a competing service however. So them hosting Netflix servers directly in their data centers would be about their best interests. Thus, they have to offset that revenue that would be potentially lost. |
| 16:37.34 | Dagmar | Now the only thing remotely resembling that they're doing is to fucking interfere with connectivity in a manner _not_ compliant with RFCs in order to put nag messages into your browser if you approach their new badwidth caps |
| 16:37.57 | Dagmar | Mihau: What revenue would be lost? |
| 16:38.22 | Mihau | They charge for on demand streaming video.(That is not included with subcription fees.) |
| 16:38.24 | Amarande | even though the cards are out |
| 16:38.38 | Dagmar | Mihau: Competition is not "additional cost" |
| 16:38.57 | Dagmar | They're also not providing their VOD over IP. |
| 16:39.08 | Dagmar | ...at least, not any IP networks they allow customers to access. |
| 16:39.39 | Dagmar | What you're talking about is actually market interference, which is why the FCC has finally stepped up. |
| 16:40.32 | Mihau | Delivery method is irrelevant to them. Money and protecting their business is relevant to them. Thus, Netflix will only get their caching servers if they pay up. It makes perfect sense from their perspective. If I ran an ISP that did not provide a VOD service I would go, "Yeah, Netflix, GET IN HERE. Free monies for me for people wanting to use my ISP!" |
| 16:40.41 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter. |
| 16:41.00 | Dagmar | If you're in a public park somewhere and someone takes a picture of the park, and you happen to be in it, you're not entitled to royalty payments for the use of the photo. |
| 16:41.21 | Dagmar | Just because you can _say_ "gief me munnies" and someone doesn't do it, doesn't mean you've lost revenue. |
| 16:41.47 | Mihau | Actually, if they use it for commercial purposes and your identity is clearly visible then you are entitled to money. |
| 16:42.03 | Dagmar | What Comcast is doing amounts to demanding to being paid by other people to absorb the costs of _their_ business |
| 16:42.18 | Dagmar | Mihau: Not in a public park. |
| 16:42.25 | Mihau | Yes, in a public park. |
| 16:42.37 | Dagmar | Nope. California is about the only place that sort of madness happens |
| 16:42.57 | Dagmar | If the picture is not about you, then your options are to just get out of the damn shot |
| 16:42.58 | Mihau | I am a professional photographer. I have to know this shit. Model release forms are things you do not screw up. |
| 16:43.33 | Dagmar | Yeah, because jacktards can sue you at any time |
| 16:43.37 | Dagmar | That doesn't mean their suits have merit. |
| 16:43.49 | Dagmar | ...and again, this is why network neutrality is so important. |
| 16:44.07 | Mihau | "If the picture is not about you" Don't change your initial statement after making it. :P |
| 16:44.32 | Dagmar | These ISPs have forgotten why exactly it is that their gated cathedrals failed so miserably during the 80's and 90's, as the Internet grew |
| 16:44.47 | Dagmar | Mihau: I didn't change a thing. |
| 16:45.00 | Dagmar | Also, explain paparazzi. |
| 16:45.29 | Amarande | man, I feel bad for people who order Radeon 300 series cards today |
| 16:45.42 | Mihau | Unfortunately legal. Used for editorial purposes and not commercial despite how flimsy a gossip editorial is on that. |
| 16:45.47 | Amarande | wonder how many will get returned and become bargain basement refurbs because "card didn't work, can't download or install drivers" |
| 16:46.02 | Dagmar | Having blessed monopolies in large geographic areas, means they don't _get_ to declare that they have exclusive rights to everyting. That's fundamentally incompatible with the concept of the Internet. |
| 16:46.11 | Amarande | (i.e., because there's no download on amd.com and meanwhile the many people with no optical drive will probably not be able to use the driver CD) |
| 16:46.56 | Dagmar | You may note that there are no _longer_ ISPs like CompuServe and GE's network anymore |
| 16:47.31 | Dagmar | People subscribed to them for information feeds, and they stopped being able to compete with the Internet a long time ago |
| 16:48.12 | Dagmar | Such a service can generally handle being the best place to go for a small number of narrowly focused things |
| 16:48.40 | Dagmar | ...but the economics of technology has changed dramatically since then, and that model is simply no longer sustainable in the face of it. |
| 16:49.15 | Dagmar | IP networks require no detailed curation, and it's the curation that made Compuserve and AOL useful at all |
| 16:50.03 | Dagmar | The ISPs just need to realize that they aren't entitled to money just because other people are making it. |
| 16:50.13 | Dagmar | They're being paid by their customers for connectivity. |
| 16:50.50 | Dagmar | If that's not enough for them, tough. They hamper everyone by trying to forcibly insert themselves into revenue and information streams provided by the work of _other people_ |
| 16:50.54 | Amarande | also curated information feeds are increasingly *distrusted*, too |
| 16:51.06 | Amarande | because invariably most of them have bias |
| 16:51.18 | Dagmar | If they didn't have protected monopoly status in most of the US, this wouldn't be a problem |
| 16:51.20 | Amarande | just like it's more or less impossible to get a newspaper these days that just tells you the news |
| 16:51.59 | Dagmar | ...but since they've got protected monopoly status _and_ common carrier protections, it is a _major_ issue if they're not operating from a content-neutral standpoint. |
| 16:52.20 | Amarande | doesn't not being content neutral cause you to lose your common carrier protection? |
| 16:52.31 | Dagmar | It damn well _should_. |
| 16:52.34 | Amarande | which apparently is a reason why so many sites allow their discussions to go entirely unmoderated? |
| 16:52.51 | Amarande | because if you let user content go unmoderated, then you just have to delete stuff when you're given a notice to do so |
| 16:53.00 | Dagmar | I think the only reason Comcast has managed to evade that is that they spend more money on lobbying than they do on network management |
| 16:53.04 | Amarande | whereas if you moderate it, IIRC and IANAL of course, then you're held responsible if anything slips through the cracks? |
| 16:53.23 | Amarande | (because ostensibly you specifically approved of said slipped-through content) |
| 16:53.50 | Amarande | I think that may be why Undernet still uses its antiquated channel registration policy |
| 16:54.38 | Amarande | where you have to *petition* for a channel to be registered instead of just messaging ChanServ like on any modern network |
| 16:54.53 | Amarande | once they started moderating, I'm not sure they can stop doing so without being held responsible for any illegal channels that are regged :| |
| 16:55.36 | Amarande | even though at first it was because the channel service bot code was so horrific as to make Medusa's face look beautiful :P |
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| 16:57.30 | Dagmar | I'd say you're probably right on both counts |
| 16:58.27 | Dagmar | Mihau: Basically, if Netflix weren't actually being _nice_ (which is utterly rare for a corporation) and offering to _give_ Comcast a netflix box for free, it would be in Comcast's best interests to buy one at this point, just to reduce their transit costs |
| 16:58.55 | Dagmar | If Comcast bought one, there would be no sense in arguing that Netflix should pay them to host a box they bought |
| 17:00.01 | Dagmar | Neflix is actually looking to do Comcast a _favor_ |
| 17:00.12 | Mihau | No, I have a full understanding of the situation. I really should make a video that goes into depth explaining all the sides. |
| 17:00.27 | Mihau | One that does not use scared bolding. :| |
| 17:00.33 | Mihau | *scare |
| 17:05.57 | Amarande | I wish I was joking about how bad the original edition of X/W was code-wise, too |
| 17:05.59 | Amarande | ... I'm not, heh |
| 17:06.22 | Amarande | they finally open sourced the code a bit over a decade ago and it was at once clear why they were so adamant previously about not wanting to :P |
| 17:06.23 | Dagmar | Someone used boldface? |
| 17:07.03 | Dagmar | Mihau: The key thing here that I suspect you're overlooking is that these cablemodem ISPs have _local blessed monopolies_ |
| 17:07.59 | Dagmar | Competition is not *possible* in most areas without both cooperation from local governments essentially _disabling_ the monopoly status by allowing a competitor policies, and a fuckton of money to lay down all the new infrastructure |
| 17:08.12 | Dagmar | Google has one of those things, and is getting the other, one area at a time |
| 17:08.42 | Dagmar | ...and you can bet you ass Google won't fuck around playing silly billing games when it comes to something that should already fall under the masthead of "efficient network management" |
| 17:09.11 | Outrider | *puts on tinfoil hat |
| 17:09.20 | Dagmar | While the cable companies have sat on their thumbs delivering video over RF cable and taking money from both ends of the transaction, entire new ecosystems and technologies have developed. |
| 17:09.46 | Dagmar | Full disclosure, I'll probably be getting Google Fiber before the end of next year. |
| 17:09.51 | Maldivia | Dagmar: well, sitting on your thumbs can be quite nice... |
| 17:10.07 | Dagmar | Yes, Google _did_ have to convince the city government to allow them to bury fiber |
| 17:10.18 | Dagmar | It wasn't a small effort |
| 17:10.28 | Maldivia | Dagmar: what kind of price are we talking about for google fiber, and at what speed ? |
| 17:10.50 | Dagmar | Hilariously, many times faster than Comcast, for the same price as Comcast |
| 17:11.42 | Maldivia | well, I'm not familiar with comcast's speed or prices, so that tells me nothing :D |
| 17:11.45 | Dagmar | It rather clearly demonstrates that the cost of burying fiber is _not_ inconceiveably massive as Comcast has been pretending all this time |
| 17:11.58 | Dagmar | $80/month after all the fees |
| 17:12.03 | Outrider | *extra tinfoil hat layers |
| 17:12.14 | Maldivia | and then 100/100 - or faster? |
| 17:12.23 | Dagmar | Outrider: No need for a tinfoil hat. I actually build networks and so forth for a living |
| 17:12.38 | Outrider | still waiting for the point to this long rant Dagmar :) |
| 17:12.48 | Dagmar | Scroll way back up then |
| 17:13.01 | Dagmar | Long sentences are not a "rant". |
| 17:13.09 | Outrider | think I joined late, so I fail to see it |
| 17:13.25 | Maldivia | Dagmar: I live in a nice place, where my 100/100 fiber connection is $27/month :D |
| 17:13.33 | Dagmar | Mihau is of the opinion that Netflix should pay Comcast for hosting a Netflix caching box |
| 17:13.44 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Except I'm certain you're not in the US |
| 17:13.50 | Maldivia | exactly :D |
| 17:14.05 | Dagmar | That's one of the things that kills me. We _invented_ a lot of this shit |
| 17:14.12 | Outrider | isnt netflix using AWS? which has cloudfront and caching services everywhere |
| 17:14.18 | Dagmar | How the screaming fuck does eveyrone else get it cheaper |
| 17:14.59 | Dagmar | Outrider: I dunno what they're using AWS for anymore, but last year they offered to _give_ Comcast one of their caching boxes for free and Comcast refused |
| 17:15.35 | Dagmar | I could maybe see Comcast being asked to pay for the electricity, but that's about all they should be on the hook for |
| 17:15.46 | Dagmar | er asking for Netflix to pay for the electricyt |
| 17:16.00 | Torhal | 4 |
| 17:16.01 | Torhal | 1 |
| 17:16.17 | Outrider | could just be their network engineers balk at the idea |
| 17:16.31 | Dagmar | That would mean their network engineers are mentally handicapped. |
| 17:16.34 | Dagmar | ...which is possible. |
| 17:17.20 | Maldivia | it is comcast... if they weren't they would be working somewhere else.. |
| 17:17.22 | Maldivia | . |
| 17:18.00 | Dagmar | It makes about as much sense as having the people who make your car offer to install a fuel filter that will quintuple gas efficiency, and you demanding they pay _you_ for having it in your car, on a monthly basis |
| 17:18.18 | Mihau | Dagmar: Don't say what my opinions are(n't). |
| 17:18.29 | Dagmar | Maldivia: The last time the bandidth cap warning kicked in, I had a bunch of shit freak out here |
| 17:18.29 | Maldivia | Dagmar: if it works, it works :D |
| 17:18.48 | Outrider | from comcast side though its doing netflix a favor to increase their speeds in delivering service... so they want a piece of the pie and are leveraging their position |
| 17:19.01 | Outrider | thats not a fault of comcast, thats a fault of capitalism :) |
| 17:19.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, you do know that only two companies have ever received the Consumerist Golden Poo, right? :) |
| 17:19.14 | Amarande | er, more than once |
| 17:19.15 | Dagmar | No, that's a fault of +greed+ |
| 17:19.27 | Amarande | These two companies are Comcast and EA. :) |
| 17:20.15 | Dagmar | What I forsee here is both Comcast and AT&T taking it up the pooper from Google over the next three years here, just because Google will actually try |
| 17:20.43 | Amarande | Also Google knows what their potential customers want. :D |
| 17:20.54 | Outrider | like all that anime porn in my search history... |
| 17:20.55 | Outrider | er |
| 17:20.56 | Dagmar | Comcast and AT&T have actually been refusing to hold up their end of the deal on so many of the government arrangements, if they weren't the only game in town they'd have been kicked out by now |
| 17:20.56 | Outrider | I mean.. |
| 17:20.58 | Amarande | Hell, last night I went to read a book on Google on my phone |
| 17:21.04 | Amarande | and it asked me, would you like to take a quick survey |
| 17:21.06 | Maldivia | Amarande: and comcast has been in "top" 3, 6 out of the 9 times it's been handed out |
| 17:21.06 | Amarande | and I'm like WTF |
| 17:21.19 | Amarande | because doesn't Google already know everything about us without needing such lo-tech solutions as handing out a survey? :) |
| 17:21.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: LOL I paid for my last book from one of their lesser known survey apps in the play store |
| 17:21.37 | Outrider | its a survery to see if you like doing surveys Amarande :) |
| 17:21.47 | Dagmar | Amarande: No they actually don't look at things to that degree |
| 17:22.33 | Dagmar | Look into 'Google Opinion Rewards' |
| 17:26.40 | Outrider | http://www.reddit.com/comments/1lqtnr |
| 17:26.51 | Outrider | I'll go with the engineers are kinda dumb for 500 alex |
| 17:27.18 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 17:27.36 | Outrider | oh well, comcast' |
| 17:27.38 | Outrider | s loss |
| 17:27.43 | Dagmar | There's basically two "sides" to the issue. The side with all the engineers says "TAKE THE DAMN BOX YOU FOOLS" and then there's Comcast's side |
| 17:28.06 | Dagmar | Putting 100Tb in a 1U is fucking _feat_ tho |
| 17:28.22 | Dagmar | Oh wait... misread (thank god) |
| 17:28.38 | Dagmar | Still 4U space isn't much. That's 1/10th of a standard rack. |
| 17:28.52 | Dagmar | Typically hell will freeze over before that's using 10A |
| 17:29.17 | Dagmar | (I have personally racked a ton of stuff. Don't even try to argue) |
| 17:30.13 | Dagmar | Hehe after misreading the blue text in that thread I was trying to figure out how the fuck you'd get 100Tb in a 1U chassis and still have room for well... anything else |
| 17:30.41 | Dagmar | "Depth" in a rack is sort of a non-negotiable max length |
| 17:31.04 | Dagmar | Sure, your server might be only 4U high (4 X 1.75 in) but if it's more than two feet long, good fucking luck getting _anyone_ to take it |
| 17:31.30 | Dagmar | Rack depth is slightly variable, but it does *not* scale to three feet |
| 17:32.02 | Dagmar | Going even that long means you'll be flush against both the back and the front of most racks on the market, which leaves you no room for cabling at all |
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| 18:07.18 | Simca | in a heroes of the storm XML: <!-- Awww yea ghetto trig! My high school trigonometry teacher is literally crying right now --> |
| 18:21.35 | Semlar | triggered |
| 19:07.20 | VIad | triggered |
| 19:09.19 | VIad | I love Trump speech with Jon Stewart |
| 19:12.52 | fewyn | i've stopped watching stewart since colbert left |
| 19:13.00 | fewyn | left as in stopped doing the report |
| 19:46.47 | karl_w_w | http://steamcommunity.com/groups/idlemastery#announcements/detail/203007488879621804 |
| 19:46.52 | karl_w_w | some people are just weird |
| 19:47.55 | Amarande | I can see a perfect attack ad graphic idea to use against Trump |
| 19:48.13 | Amarande | have "DON TRUMP" appear on the screen, then the "RUMP" drop off and a big apostrophe drops down in between DON and T |
| 19:48.19 | Amarande | "JUST DON'T." |
| 19:51.36 | zenzelezz | don't think you really need attacks against Trump, he can handle it himself |
| 19:53.44 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/27o9Aqz.png |
| 19:56.46 | Amarande | karl_w_w: hah, is that the real reason Intel has that policy statement about where you're supposed to put the case badge? :) |
| 19:58.22 | Amarande | aw, man |
| 19:58.33 | Amarande | going through my optical media to decide what to keep and what to throw away before I move |
| 19:59.05 | Amarande | and moving the 'keep' (except signed albums and special packaging like CD+book album sets) to my old zipper albums so I don't waste weight and cost on taking all the cases with me |
| 19:59.13 | Amarande | and apparently I have Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Disc. :( |
| 20:20.45 | karl_w_w | TIL you can put lego in the dishwasher |
| 20:20.56 | karl_w_w | because it has a melting point of 105 C |
| 20:22.18 | nevcairiel | Don't try with some of the knockoffs though |
| 20:22.22 | nevcairiel | But yeah |
| 20:24.00 | zenzelezz | karl_w_w: I'm curious, what did you do that made you have to wash your legos? |
| 20:24.17 | karl_w_w | I have no legos |
| 20:24.29 | zenzelezz | sure you don't |
| 20:25.06 | Amarande | zenzelezz: probably "having handled them many many times with super grubby hands while a lad" if he's anything like most LEGO owners. :) |
| 20:25.06 | nevcairiel | I used to have plenty. I think we sold them all on garage sales and stuff like that |
| 20:25.43 | Amarande | let's face it, did any of us really take care to handle our toys with clean hands when we were lads? :P |
| 20:28.35 | zenzelezz | were? |
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| 20:31.12 | Amarande | zenzelezz: you know, as opposed to grown men :) |
| 20:37.12 | zenzelezz | which we're not |
| 20:37.19 | Amarande | hah |
| 20:39.40 | Amarande | notes from this DVD: "THX TEST SIGNAL PACKAGE allows the consumer to ..." should continue with "annoy the living bejesus out of family and neighbours" :) |
| 20:39.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: heathen! think of the children! |
| 20:39.56 | Gnarfoz | (well, someone else probably did) |
| 20:40.36 | zenzelezz | I guess that's "THX" as in the sound thing |
| 20:41.00 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 20:41.14 | Amarande | you know, the thing that used to prevent us from sneaking out to the TV at 4 in the morning to watch R rated movies without the parents seeing us |
| 20:41.23 | Amarande | because the cursed logo sound would wake the whole house up every time :D |
| 20:41.46 | zenzelezz | I always associate that with Alien or Aliens; don't recall which |
| 20:42.19 | WrathTECH | I should have started learning Lua with http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/mail-sendto-mod/ in stead of Platter. : / |
| 20:42.37 | WrathTECH | How's it going guys? |
| 20:44.59 | zenzelezz | can't complain |
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| 20:56.23 | fewyn | meh i hate when job interview responses end up in my spam box |
| 20:56.47 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: are you just being lazy, or do you not know the difference between Tb and TB? :P |
| 20:57.11 | Maldivia | tuberculosis ? |
| 20:57.13 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: was it a no and the spam filter acted on your behalf? ;) |
| 20:57.23 | fewyn | probably :( |
| 20:57.33 | fewyn | i'm at the end of my last unemployment check too |
| 20:57.39 | fewyn | so i'm basically fucked |
| 20:57.43 | fewyn | :thumbsup: |
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| 20:58.19 | Gnarfoz | offers fewyn some socialism |
| 20:59.11 | fewyn | because i was employed in florida for most of last year that's where i got my unemployement which has the shortest benefits |
| 20:59.16 | fewyn | florida is 14 weeks |
| 20:59.21 | fewyn | while most other states are 28 |
| 20:59.22 | Gnarfoz | that's horrible |
| 20:59.39 | Amarande | Tb? I didn't think "T flat" was an actual note :) |
| 20:59.56 | Gnarfoz | well, perspective and all that |
| 20:59.58 | fewyn | not sure what i'm going to do |
| 20:59.59 | nevcairiel | You can live of that here for your entire live! Or so people tell me |
| 21:01.09 | Gnarfoz | well, you don't get the "big" unemployment check for that long (certainly longer than in the US, though) |
| 21:01.20 | Gnarfoz | and the long-term one is not a fancy life |
| 21:01.33 | Gnarfoz | but... yeah, you can get by on it |
| 21:01.34 | fewyn | i would like to keep my car so i can you know... get a job |
| 21:01.44 | Gnarfoz | who would take your car away? |
| 21:01.52 | fewyn | my loan company :( |
| 21:01.55 | fewyn | i have it financed |
| 21:01.57 | Gnarfoz | oh, right. America |
| 21:02.00 | fewyn | yeah |
| 21:02.04 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 21:02.08 | Gnarfoz | not in a city? |
| 21:02.13 | nevcairiel | Well of you have it financed they may take it here too |
| 21:02.15 | Gnarfoz | i.e. public transport not an option |
| 21:02.20 | nevcairiel | It's the US |
| 21:02.21 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: probably |
| 21:02.22 | fewyn | hahahahaha |
| 21:02.23 | nevcairiel | The land of cars |
| 21:02.26 | fewyn | public transportation |
| 21:02.30 | fewyn | hahahaha |
| 21:02.32 | fewyn | hahahaha |
| 21:02.32 | Gnarfoz | I realize, but SOME places do have it ;) |
| 21:02.40 | fewyn | hacks and coughs |
| 21:02.52 | nevcairiel | Like NYC and probably one more city |
| 21:02.55 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:03.01 | fewyn | public transport is not an option unless you are in the bay area |
| 21:03.03 | fewyn | seattle |
| 21:03.04 | fewyn | nyc |
| 21:03.07 | fewyn | and chicago |
| 21:03.12 | fewyn | i think that's really all of it |
| 21:03.20 | Amarande | fewyn: Portland OR, and Salt Lake City |
| 21:03.39 | fewyn | don't know anyone in either of those two places |
| 21:03.46 | fewyn | but yeah it's very bad for the rest of the country |
| 21:03.58 | Amarande | of course, people in salt lake city know all of us though, apparently LOL |
| 21:04.16 | Amarande | (that's where Big Brother's data centre is being built :P) |
| 21:05.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:05.23 | Amarande | I think Boston and DC have it too, come to think of it |
| 21:05.55 | fewyn | yeah boston is okay i think |
| 21:06.03 | fewyn | dc is not that great but it's serviceable |
| 21:06.25 | Amarande | if you go to Boston though just don't be Charlie ... LOL |
| 21:06.33 | fewyn | end of story tho is not having a car in the US is pretty much impossible |
| 21:08.35 | Amarande | yeah it's a good thing I have a reliable ride, if I had to walk to work it'd take me about 3.5 hours each way |
| 21:09.59 | Amarande | and work's not even all that far from here, in a car it only takes 15-25 minutes or so |
| 21:10.56 | Amarande | wonder if we'll be able to find a solution to the US economy other than macabre ones like "wait for H5N1 to go human transmissible and sweep thru" :| |
| 21:11.09 | Amarande | come to think of that, I wonder how Europe would have developed in the 14th century if the Plague hadn't happened |
| 21:14.16 | Amarande | I'm guessing it'd probably have eventually made Dickens' world seem like paradise :| |
| 21:39.56 | Amarande | ... on a different topic, why did I never get around to buying seasons 8-10 of SG-1 on DVD |
| 21:40.54 | Maldivia | Amarande: because season 1-7 were better |
| 21:43.32 | nevcairiel | the best part about the ori season was morena baccarin =p |
| 21:43.59 | Gnarfoz | so annoying, tho |
| 21:44.37 | Gnarfoz | I'm looking forward to some more episodes of Dark Matter, maybe it's not going to be shit |
| 21:44.47 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother yet |
| 21:44.53 | nevcairiel | ill give it a bit before trying |
| 21:45.16 | Torhal | WrathTECH: mailBoxModifier = CreateFrame("FRAME") <-- Should be "local mailBoxModifier" |
| 21:45.18 | nevcairiel | i'm watching The Wire right now, never had before, so summer time is catching up time |
| 21:45.38 | WrathTECH | Thank you Torhal, forgot to add that in earlier. |
| 21:45.45 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: great series! |
| 21:45.54 | Gnarfoz | supposedly one of the best shows ever, yeah... I skipped over those ~250 GiB so far :P |
| 21:46.23 | nevcairiel | wat Gnarfoz |
| 21:46.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: The Wire |
| 21:46.43 | nevcairiel | its only 5 seasons, it aint that big |
| 21:46.50 | Gnarfoz | it is when you aim for transparency |
| 21:47.15 | Gnarfoz | which obviously cuts into space saved :D |
| 21:47.31 | Gnarfoz | some overdo it, though, even for hdbits standards |
| 21:47.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: anyway, Dark Matter is by Mullie and Mallozzi, so there's some hope for it :D |
| 21:47.50 | nevcairiel | the show is too old to really care |
| 21:48.04 | nevcairiel | anyway the 720p web-dls i have look just fine |
| 21:49.08 | WrathTECH | Torhal, do you guys go through lot of the uploaded addons? |
| 21:50.06 | Torhal | We don't typically do in-depth code audits, but I look over new things to make sure they don't go against the rules. |
| 21:50.26 | Torhal | Though I"m not the one doing most of the approvals/rejections these days. |
| 21:51.03 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: if you want transparency, when I buy a show on Blu-ray I rip it without any re-compression .. Fringe 611 GB, BSG 659 TB ... :d |
| 21:51.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, they have those, too, as "remux" |
| 21:51.36 | WrathTECH | Oh nice. Sounds like quite a job though... perhapse a bit tedious? |
| 21:51.45 | Semlar | audits torhal |
| 21:51.52 | Torhal | Sometimes. |
| 21:51.56 | Torhal | rejects Semlar. |
| 21:51.57 | WrathTECH | Haha :) |
| 21:52.09 | Semlar | you can't reject me, i reject you! |
| 21:52.15 | Gnarfoz | REJECTION!! |
| 21:52.24 | Gnarfoz | err... something like that. |
| 21:52.25 | Torhal | Resistance is futile. |
| 21:52.29 | WrathTECH | Rejection letter time! |
| 21:52.45 | Torhal | forges a Dear John letter from Neffi to Semlar. |
| 21:53.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nice typo on BSG, even though it *is* that awesome ;p |
| 21:53.38 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 21:53.41 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: It actually was TB, due to the cylons. |
| 21:54.07 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: are you calling them... fat? |
| 21:54.23 | Gnarfoz | well, they are toasters. butter goes on toast. |
| 21:55.03 | fewyn | i'm redoing my job app log and it's so disappointing all the awaiting responses in it :( |
| 21:55.12 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh, The Wire has Aidan Gillen |
| 21:55.19 | fewyn | could i just get a no you suck go away at least in email? |
| 21:55.21 | Gnarfoz | fewyn: worst part of it :| |
| 21:55.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that'd be preferable |
| 21:55.34 | Gnarfoz | companies be lazy |
| 21:56.16 | WrathTECH | And fixed. Thanks again Torhal. |
| 21:56.54 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: apparently in later seasons |
| 21:56.57 | nevcairiel | only in s2 |
| 21:57.02 | nevcairiel | my watching status, that is |
| 21:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | oh no |
| 21:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | i go to look myself up on the armory and |
| 21:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/static-render/us/llane/101/2829669-profilemain.jpg?alt=/wow/static/images/2d/profilemain/race/4-0.jpg |
| 21:58.43 | Mr_Rabies | send help |
| 21:59.14 | Gnarfoz | you should probably see a doctor about that |
| 22:00.00 | Maldivia | lol... just entered a website with this banner: "This website is best viewed at 1024 x 768 pixels with Internet Explorer in medium text size" |
| 22:00.23 | nevcairiel | old website is old |
| 22:00.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: btw, it was shot on 35 mm, so they could get nice quality out of it (looks like they did, anyway) |
| 22:01.21 | nevcairiel | it looks just fine, most live action content doesnt really seem to benefit from being 1080p that much |
| 22:01.28 | nevcairiel | so a decent 720p is usually just fine |
| 22:01.45 | Gnarfoz | lol, the House of Cards S03 EUR BD, 4 months before street date... some times I do wonder how that happens, even after all these years |
| 22:01.48 | nevcairiel | its like 2gb per ep |
| 22:02.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, s02 720p episodes range from 3.48 GiB to 4.35 GiB |
| 22:03.31 | Gnarfoz | they're pixel peepers anyway, it probably doesn't matter |
| 22:03.42 | Gnarfoz | but when it's available... ^^ |
| 22:04.39 | nevcairiel | i tend to prefer web-dl or blu-ray sources whenever possible, broadcast is usually just a tad bit over-compressed from the get-go, other than that... |
| 22:05.56 | nevcairiel | (also US broadcasts run in 30i with telecine, and sometimes the inverse telecine is screwed up, leaving some stuttering in the video) |
| 22:05.56 | Gnarfoz | I should really get on building a NAS some day... and increasing max disk size (since I have to, with this raid method) |
| 22:06.20 | Gnarfoz | I like nukes because of "blended frames" |
| 22:06.37 | nevcairiel | yeah thats when they like intentionally fail to fix the telecine |
| 22:06.43 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
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| 22:14.29 | fewyn | well at least i have a solid count of how many jobs i've gotten a reply for now |
| 22:14.36 | fewyn | 16 >_> since october |
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| 22:41.24 | zenzelezz | oh god... "Why did Jon Snow wait six hours outside the Apple store? For the watch" |
| 22:42.57 | WrathTECH | Anyone have a link to a real good example of a EditBox in Lua? |
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| 23:18.23 | Mr_Rabies | <nevcairiel> (also US broadcasts run in 30i with telecine, and sometimes the inverse telecine is screwed up, leaving some stuttering in the video) |
| 23:18.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad there's someone else that worries about this stuff |
| 23:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | i feel less insane |
| 23:19.57 | Mr_Rabies | i guess to be fair i watch stuff on a 1080p projector so problems like that are hella noticable to me |
| 23:22.37 | nebula169 | Mr_Rabies: i thought your armory link was just an ugly transmog or such then saw http://us.battle.net/static-render/us/stormrage/140/164017036-profilemain.jpg?alt=/wow/static/images/2d/profilemain/race/7-1.jpg |
| 23:22.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 23:22.56 | Mr_Rabies | OH |
| 23:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is they changed some stuff over for 6.2 a bit early |
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