| 00:00.05 | foxlit | Semlar: the template inherits from another template, which also specifies an OnLoad handler. |
| 00:00.25 | Semlar | does this cause it to run this before the inherited one? |
| 00:00.43 | Semlar | or after |
| 00:01.23 | foxlit | which one would make more sense? |
| 00:01.39 | Semlar | before, because it says prepend, but it's kind of ambiguous about which one is being prepended |
| 00:02.08 | Stanzilla | For the Watch |
| 00:03.41 | foxlit | I would read that as "prepend what you're inheriting to me" |
| 00:03.52 | Semlar | see, that's why it's confusing |
| 00:04.11 | Semlar | but either way, i just wondered how it behaved |
| 00:04.31 | Semlar | so it's for running your script in addition to the inherited one |
| 00:04.40 | Semlar | instead of overwriting it |
| 00:04.43 | foxlit | (and I'm right) |
| 00:05.17 | foxlit | anyway, running the superconstructor first makes more sense than the other way around |
| 00:05.23 | Semlar | so the inherited script is prended to yours |
| 00:05.31 | Semlar | prepended |
| 00:05.42 | foxlit | which is why you don't see many inherit="append" around. |
| 00:05.51 | Semlar | i only saw it used once |
| 00:06.46 | foxlit | though "prepend" and "append" have this annoying string operation connotation that actually doesn't apply. |
| 00:07.42 | foxlit | in any case, xml is clearly awesome and you should totally use it for your addon. |
| 00:08.22 | Semlar | good idea |
| 00:08.40 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit, i'm sure you've seen this by now, but http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/39w9c9/whats_the_mushroom_stat_in_the_latest_master_plan/ |
| 00:08.46 | Semlar | lol |
| 00:10.34 | foxlit | I guess the intersection of people who reddit, can parse that code, and know enough stats to give a complete answer is empty. |
| 00:12.05 | Semlar | it's obviously semlar adspace |
| 00:12.37 | foxlit | hm, "amount of $ semlar owes for using this ad space"? |
| 00:12.42 | Semlar | :O |
| 00:15.26 | Neffi | sends Semlar an invoice for the occupation of his brain by mental images of mushrooms. |
| 00:15.38 | Semlar | o.o |
| 00:16.01 | Neffi | you owe me ten trillion dollars |
| 00:16.04 | WrathTECH | Poor Semlar xD |
| 00:16.21 | Neffi | would you like to setup a payment plan? Y/n |
| 00:16.26 | Semlar | i could make you a sandwich |
| 00:16.35 | Neffi | does the sandwhich have bacon? |
| 00:16.43 | Semlar | it has turkey |
| 00:16.53 | Neffi | but does it have bacon? |
| 00:17.07 | Semlar | no |
| 00:17.11 | Neffi | then no deal |
| 00:17.13 | foxlit | more importantly, it should not have mushrooms |
| 00:17.21 | Semlar | it might have mushrooms |
| 00:17.22 | Neffi | certainly not |
| 00:17.25 | Neffi | no Semlar |
| 00:17.31 | Neffi | mushrooms don't belong in food |
| 00:17.31 | Semlar | edibles neffi |
| 00:19.18 | Neffi | eyes Semlar and sips his beer. |
| 00:20.16 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/20130/Blizzard_AuctionUI/Blizzard_AuctionUI.xml#916 << comically, the one place where "append" appears, it's redundant. |
| 00:20.40 | Neffi | what does 'append' mean in this context? |
| 00:21.14 | foxlit | run inherited handler after this one. |
| 00:22.58 | Semlar | appends neffi to torhal |
| 00:23.07 | Neffi | runs |
| 00:23.14 | Semlar | too late for that |
| 00:23.26 | foxlit | you mean too early? tor gets to run first |
| 00:23.48 | Torhal | I refuse to be part of a human centipede, Semlar, so your attempt is invalid. |
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| 00:24.19 | Semlar | you never support my human experiments |
| 00:24.54 | Neffi | easy there Qyburn |
| 00:25.09 | Torhal | That isn't true. I often try to push you to publish your AddOns. |
| 00:25.27 | Torhal | Neffi: Semlar was expelled from The Citadel? |
| 00:25.40 | Neffi | ofc |
| 00:25.46 | Neffi | for never finishing stuff |
| 00:25.57 | Torhal | Oh, yes. That makes perfect sense. |
| 00:26.16 | Semlar | i'm learning the xml syntax so i can make my next addon without lua files |
| 00:26.35 | kd3 | o_O |
| 00:26.39 | Semlar | :D |
| 00:27.22 | Amarande | Semlar: don't worry, Torhal will make sure you're supplied with GTCs while you're spending your life in an institution :) |
| 00:28.04 | Amarande | oh wait, XML, not The King in Yellow. :) |
| 00:28.55 | Semlar | i like how you don't even get a lua error sometimes if you have invalid code in the xml file |
| 00:30.14 | Amarande | Semlar: wait, you like code that seems to work even when it should throw an error? |
| 00:30.20 | Amarande | you might consider a job at Nvidia :) |
| 00:32.32 | Amarande | The sad thing is IIRC that's rather a true quip, and actually a lot of the reason for the perception of Nvidia vs. AMD/ATI drivers over the years :( |
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| 00:35.00 | foxlit | Semlar: surely you just validate your xml code even before you /reload :P |
| 00:35.22 | Semlar | pfft |
| 00:37.02 | Semlar | does anyone know if toggling tracking off instantly removes the icons from the minimap |
| 00:37.14 | Semlar | or if it waits for the next update |
| 00:37.18 | Iriel | Not until the minimap next redraws AFAIK |
| 00:37.37 | Iriel | unless they changed it in the last major release or so |
| 00:38.07 | Iriel | What Iâm not sure about is the order of minimap texture render and UI render |
| 00:38.38 | Semlar | there's actually a method to force it to redraw i just don't remember if it did anything |
| 00:39.04 | Semlar | it was like minimap:UpdateBlips() |
| 00:40.19 | Iriel | orly |
| 00:40.24 | foxlit | coincidentally, that exists. |
| 00:40.58 | Semlar | i remember playing with it and not really getting anything useful out of it |
| 00:41.08 | Amarande | the minimap is made of troll voodoo lately it seems |
| 00:41.27 | Amarande | (plus it (the minimap that is) is apparently somehow related to the vanishing tooltip bug) |
| 00:41.27 | Semlar | i don't think it speeds up discovery of nodes or anything |
| 00:42.40 | Semlar | i thought you might be able to enable one type of tracking at a time and replace the texture file so you would see herbs as flowers and minerals as ore or whatever |
| 00:42.47 | Semlar | but i think the delay would ruin that |
| 00:43.34 | Amarande | Semlar: and then you find your ore node is one of those irritating Unobtainium Veins like that one in Silverpine :) |
| 01:07.39 | fewyn | THE LAST GUARDIAN |
| 01:10.45 | Trela | Sony CEO is such a troll. :| "THIS LONG AWAITED GAME-" That is not what I wanted with "long awaited"! :| |
| 01:13.31 | Semlar | foxlit: if a template has a script defined in it, does that function get recreated for every frame that inherits that template or do they all reference the same function |
| 01:13.40 | Iriel | the latter |
| 01:14.20 | Semlar | so it only makes it once |
| 01:14.53 | Iriel | it should, itâs easy enough to test |
| 01:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | oh wow, followers level up fast when attached to profession buildings |
| 01:16.41 | Mr_Rabies | ahm went from 94-99 from a single batch of work orders on the enchanting building |
| 01:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | (it was 20 work orders, but still) |
| 01:19.13 | Iriel | Semlar: ActionButton1:GetScript(âOnUpdateâ) == ActionButton2:GetScript(âOnUpdateâ) |
| 01:20.16 | Semlar | yeah you're right |
| 01:22.22 | Amarande | Trela: ehh, par for the course in today's world. Gamespot ran a list of 30 ultra-hard challenges conquered by game wizards or something like that recently |
| 01:22.44 | Amarande | and IIRC Dark Souls got multiple mentions, but not DOOM II's TNT Evilution MAP09 Nightmare, even though *that* took *over 13 years* from its release to be conquered |
| 01:28.25 | Trela | Hahahahaha. Hello Games guy: PLANET SIZED... PLANETS. |
| 01:29.38 | fewyn | i want this |
| 01:42.02 | fewyn | snore |
| 01:43.54 | WrathTECH | Is there a way to use UIFrameFadeOut with table.insert(UISpecialFrames,"Platter") |
| 01:46.16 | Trela | WTF IS THIS. D: I see Cloud and no FFVII. |
| 01:48.28 | Amarande | hmm, final fantasy VII character, no final fantasy VII |
| 01:48.33 | Amarande | there isn't a new Kingdom Hearts coming out is there? |
| 01:48.44 | fewyn | HOLY SHIT |
| 01:48.47 | fewyn | VII REMAKE |
| 01:48.48 | Trela | YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 01:48.53 | Amarande | (I'm still wondering if the next KH will include Star Wars, too) |
| 01:49.07 | Amarande | but VII's already out on Steam, what do we really need a remake for? |
| 01:49.21 | Amarande | gameplaywise the only thing they can really do is fix Pandora's Box and Magic Def :) |
| 01:49.26 | fewyn | oh god |
| 01:52.57 | Trela | hugs fewyn tight. :O |
| 01:53.02 | Ressy | what just hapend? |
| 01:53.06 | Ressy | twitter's going nuts |
| 01:53.17 | Trela | Ressy: FFVII remake. |
| 01:54.28 | fewyn | oh god |
| 01:54.31 | fewyn | and shenmue Ressy |
| 01:54.45 | fewyn | we just crashed kickstarter |
| 01:54.46 | fewyn | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3 |
| 01:55.15 | kd3 | ff7 remake? holy shit |
| 01:57.23 | Iriel | Is that a good thing? |
| 02:04.21 | fewyn | yes |
| 02:04.23 | fewyn | well |
| 02:04.24 | fewyn | maybe? |
| 02:04.26 | fewyn | we'll see |
| 02:04.28 | fewyn | i lost my shit |
| 02:04.35 | fewyn | i'm currently still in disbelief |
| 02:04.48 | kd3 | wish I could watch the stream |
| 02:04.52 | Iriel | I dont really have any final fantasy context |
| 02:04.58 | Iriel | having never actually played any |
| 02:04.59 | kd3 | I'll catch the vod at some point |
| 02:06.47 | fewyn | Iriel: ff7 was probably the game that got me into RPGs |
| 02:06.53 | fewyn | and it was a slippery slope |
| 02:09.09 | Seerah | Torhal: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=335550#post335550 ? |
| 02:09.22 | Seerah | private servers? |
| 02:10.11 | fewyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=EELUk0XxPrM |
| 02:12.24 | Torhal | Seerah: Oh, awesome. Thanks for the heads up. I didn't even read the description and the name didn't ring the bells it should have. |
| 02:12.50 | Seerah | I looked at the picture and went ".... heeeeey....." |
| 02:17.06 | Torhal | :/ |
| 02:17.23 | Torhal | I just went into "Is there something wrong with repositories?" mode and investigated that. |
| 02:34.53 | Iriel | Is shenmue really up to a half million dollars already? |
| 02:35.42 | Trela | Yes. |
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| 02:42.29 | fewyn | not surprising |
| 02:42.35 | fewyn | it'll probably hit goal |
| 02:42.35 | fewyn | tonight |
| 02:42.38 | fewyn | tomorrow latest |
| 02:44.15 | Trela | Shenmue, a not so great game that people actually love. |
| 02:45.01 | kd3 | just got home, saw the FF7 remake trailer |
| 02:45.05 | kd3 | still just kinda stunned |
| 02:48.50 | Amarande | hmm, so AMD has their piece tomorrow |
| 02:49.02 | Amarande | wonder if there's going to be a sudden change one way or the other in AMD card prices |
| 02:49.33 | Amarande | either way way down if people are hopeful about AMD (since retailers will want the 200 series out of the way so they can sell the 300) |
| 02:49.45 | Amarande | or way way up if people think AMD is about to bite it and want to get stuff while the getting's good ... |
| 02:53.00 | fewyn | kd3: i'm still kind of need to pinch myself |
| 02:53.59 | kd3 | 9 was my first, so if they do a remake of that I'd probably have more feels, but here I am, a 30-year-old man and I feel like a kid at a games store just drooling at posters |
| 02:54.13 | fewyn | it was my first RPG |
| 02:54.18 | fewyn | i got the demo from pizza hut |
| 02:54.23 | Amarande | 9 and 12 are really the ones most in need of remakes, I'm surprised 7 was chosen |
| 02:54.30 | fewyn | i think i begged my mother for two months |
| 02:54.37 | Amarande | all the others you can get on a current system, I believe |
| 02:54.44 | fewyn | to get it |
| 02:54.46 | Amarande | let's see ... 1-6 are available on practically everything |
| 02:54.52 | Amarande | 7-8 are on steam for PC |
| 02:55.00 | Amarande | X and X-2 are on both PS3 and PS4 in the HD reissue version |
| 02:55.15 | Amarande | XIII is on PC, PS3, 360 |
| 02:55.40 | Amarande | 9 still requires a PS1 through PS3 era console, and 12 still requires a PS2 or an ancient PS3, though |
| 02:57.10 | Amarande | ... although what gets my dudgeon up is that iOS FF1 has more goodies than the Android version :( |
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| 04:07.32 | karl_w_w | the fractured but whole |
| 04:07.35 | karl_w_w | heh heh |
| 04:08.30 | karl_w_w | it doesnt matter btw Amarande, because 12 is comfortably the worst FF |
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| 05:11.34 | kd3 | in today's episode of design fail... try scrolling: http://www.bodyjewelleryshop.com/labret_jewelry.htm |
| 05:12.21 | Dagmar | Being that I know what a 'labret' is... Nice try, motherfucker. |
| 05:13.06 | Semlar | labrat? |
| 05:13.08 | kd3 | it's completely sfw. here's an image: http://imgur.com/a/nekwH |
| 05:13.15 | Dagmar | It's going to have hipsters in it |
| 05:13.21 | Semlar | only studs |
| 05:13.25 | Dagmar | The only labrets I want to see are on SuicideGirls |
| 05:14.35 | Kaylin | idk what a lebret is, and at this point I'm afraid to ask. |
| 05:14.46 | Semlar | it's a piercing |
| 05:15.11 | Kaylin | for what exactly? |
| 05:15.13 | Dagmar | It's a lip piercing. I just thought it would be funny to imply it might be related to a Prince Albert |
| 05:15.24 | Kaylin | oic |
| 05:16.04 | Semlar | the entire website is inside of a frame |
| 05:16.16 | Semlar | with scrolling disabled |
| 05:16.28 | Kaylin | aren't frames like 1990s? |
| 05:17.00 | Dagmar | Five internet points says if you look at the source, it'll have been generated by something made by Microsoft or Adobe |
| 05:17.00 | Semlar | well, it literally only has one frame |
| 05:17.41 | Semlar | i can only assume they did this to change the url without a rewrite |
| 05:18.08 | Kaylin | can't they just redirect moved permanently? |
| 05:18.23 | Semlar | they could, but it would change the url in the address bar |
| 05:18.25 | Dagmar | Ooo Cold Fusion! |
| 05:19.04 | Semlar | this wouldn't be so bad if they didn't explicitly disable the scrollbar on the frame for some reason |
| 05:19.35 | Dagmar | There's a <noframes> set of tags |
| 05:19.36 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:19.48 | Dagmar | Extra fat tables, too. |
| 05:21.05 | Dagmar | Ah.... I see |
| 05:21.17 | Dagmar | That page you linked isn't what you wind up on when you click your way to it |
| 05:21.29 | Dagmar | Someone failed hard at robot wrangling |
| 05:22.14 | Dagmar | Come at it from the top and you wind up at http://www.bodyjewelleryshop.com/body_jewellery_shop/body_piercing_jewellery/labret_studs_labrets.cfm |
| 05:22.37 | jleclanche | https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/39woqa/what_would_happen_to_me_and_everything_around_me/cs756gb what this post is saying is that d3 wizard's Black Hole spell is fairly unrealistic |
| 05:23.14 | kd3 | _fairly_? |
| 05:23.18 | Semlar | this isn't shittyaskscience |
| 05:23.28 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 05:24.04 | Dagmar | If the Black Hole spell worked realistically... good luck picking up the drops |
| 05:24.22 | jleclanche | lol |
| 05:24.26 | Kaylin | or escaping from your own spell |
| 05:24.30 | Kaylin | or seeing what is going on |
| 05:24.35 | Kaylin | or not getting cancer |
| 05:24.41 | Dagmar | The last boss would be an easy kill tho |
| 05:24.48 | jleclanche | cancer would be the least of your worries |
| 05:25.40 | Dagmar | It would be like that insane attack in Pokemon Rumble World that lets you fire money at pokemon |
| 05:25.58 | Dagmar | (yes I'm aware that's not too far from how Hunter ammo used to work) |
| 05:26.17 | Kaylin | engineer master race |
| 05:26.20 | Semlar | the arrows should have been gold coins |
| 05:26.24 | jleclanche | I dunno, the more I read about black holes, the less I think they're describable with *any* sentence that begins with "it would be like" |
| 05:26.31 | Dagmar | Gold coins would have been cheaper and delivered more stopping power |
| 05:26.34 | Kaylin | it would be like a black hole |
| 05:27.09 | Dagmar | I'm just waiting for engineers to get a weapon that shoots money |
| 05:28.09 | Kaylin | fishing alt equipped :D |
| 05:28.47 | Dagmar | DIdn't we already have a projectile fish? |
| 05:28.58 | Dagmar | No wait... that was squirrels and a fish melee |
| 05:29.05 | Semlar | chipmunk |
| 05:29.24 | Dagmar | I was disappointed that didn't increase the critter kill count |
| 05:29.32 | Kaylin | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/black-dragonflight/Kaylin/simple http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/black-dragonflight/Rebecca/simple my characters are so different. |
| 05:30.25 | Semlar | two rogues |
| 05:30.41 | Kaylin | has a problem |
| 05:30.44 | Trela | $1.3m on Shenmue 3 so far. |
| 05:30.46 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 05:30.51 | Stanzilla | fishing on 2 toons |
| 05:31.33 | Kaylin | multiple contest wins on multiple characters, I am that person everyone hates. |
| 05:35.00 | Kaylin | at least WoD's fish hat matches the boots again |
| 05:57.35 | karl_w_w | ooh the last guardian |
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| 09:20.50 | VIad | tanaan farm next week? |
| 10:13.09 | karl_w_w | I'll tanaan farm you |
| 10:17.09 | karl_w_w | good news everybody! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33145036 |
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| 10:37.12 | karl_w_w | I wonder why that happened https://www.google.com/finance?q=TYO:9684 |
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| 11:30.24 | A-KO | holy shit, people really love Shenmue |
| 11:40.35 | Simca | anyone know what the new item string piece is for |
| 11:40.36 | Simca | ? |
| 11:40.37 | Simca | http://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_6.2.0/API_changes#Changes |
| 11:40.45 | Simca | Seems to be '70' for most items I'm looking at |
| 12:14.54 | karl_w_w | I had actually never heard of shenmue before the announcement |
| 12:15.04 | karl_w_w | people also love fallout http://imgur.com/gallery/tYZPO |
| 12:25.58 | karl_w_w | the mirror's edge catalyst antagonist: http://i.imgur.com/zV45eMP.png |
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| 12:37.33 | Guest60243 | Simca, can it be something to do with timewalking? |
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| 12:48.51 | karl_w_w | Cairenn, http://imgur.com/G3U4rsV |
| 12:51.18 | Fisker | copyright infringement karl_w_w |
| 12:51.30 | karl_w_w | you're too kind |
| 12:51.36 | Simca | possibly Guest60243 |
| 12:53.44 | Fisker | hey Simca |
| 13:15.04 | VIad | is 6.3 last patch with "timeless isle" (farlooh) content before expansion? |
| 13:15.42 | VIad | the item string part, could it be ilvl? |
| 13:17.56 | karl_w_w | I tell you what if twitch doesn't start working by the time the sqeenix conference starts, I'm going to have to watch on youtube! |
| 13:18.03 | karl_w_w | that's not a threat it's a promise! |
| 13:18.30 | VIad | why are you loosing your shit over square karl_w_w? |
| 13:18.40 | karl_w_w | I'm not |
| 13:18.44 | karl_w_w | nor am I losing it |
| 13:18.50 | karl_w_w | I just want to watch it :P |
| 13:23.29 | VIad | what is it? |
| 13:26.23 | karl_w_w | square? a video game developer and publisher |
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| 13:42.20 | VIad | I mean what are they streaming? what got you so excited? |
| 13:48.45 | karl_w_w | well, twitch got me excited, negatively |
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| 14:23.24 | Simca | Vlad: don't think so. it is '70' for a crate of salvage parts and '70' for ilvl 645 chestpiece |
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| 14:26.45 | Guest60243 | Simca, anything other than 70? |
| 14:27.18 | VIad | maybe blizz just loves the 70s and wants to show their love by adding that number |
| 15:00.53 | Amarande | maybe they're trying to whitewash annoying glitchy experiences you get in the 70s? |
| 15:01.07 | Amarande | like that friggin' drake rider tournament in storm peaks ... :P |
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| 15:06.08 | Maldivia | Simca: "will be deprecated in version 7.0" ? :) |
| 15:09.25 | Amarande | VIad: there's going to be another expansion this winter isn't there. :| |
| 15:10.02 | VIad | Amarande: yeah I know but blizz said since mop "we wish to release expansions quicker" |
| 15:10.09 | VIad | so is wod like when that happens? :P |
| 15:10.12 | fewyn | so last night was real it seems... they really are remaking FFVII |
| 15:10.13 | Amarande | probably in november/early december I'm guessing since that's the only really viable window for an annual expansion pack without basically semi-permanently killing off a seasonal event |
| 15:10.18 | VIad | or we still got two years of WOD before next expansion |
| 15:10.51 | Amarande | VIad: hah, if that's the case, two years from now we'll all be playing FFXIV and wondering whatever happened to other MMOs :) |
| 15:11.06 | VIad | final fantasy should start using numerals |
| 15:11.33 | VIad | or that parody flash from 2002 will become real |
| 15:11.44 | Amarande | VIad: sadly the series seems to be slowing down :( |
| 15:11.54 | Maldivia | why would today's youth learn roman numerals otherwise, only other option is superbowl :D |
| 15:12.05 | Maldivia | how* |
| 15:12.05 | VIad | it's useless |
| 15:12.12 | VIad | just looks nice sometimes |
| 15:12.18 | VIad | since it looks like letters |
| 15:12.25 | VIad | like some posters can make it work |
| 15:12.26 | Amarande | We got six main line (not counting any spinoffs or "-2") games in the Cartridge Era, then only three in the PS1 era, then only two in the PS2 era, then only ONE in the PS3 era |
| 15:12.37 | Maldivia | you save 3 characters by writing "M" instead of "1000" :) |
| 15:12.44 | VIad | they are remaking 7 now so maybe it is their last breath |
| 15:13.03 | fewyn | it's something a lot of fans have been asking for |
| 15:13.06 | VIad | people been asking for it for years, first now they listen when they realize, oh shit, we're sinking boys |
| 15:13.06 | fewyn | for YEARS |
| 15:13.08 | Maldivia | are they really remaking it though ? |
| 15:13.08 | Amarande | and I'm still not sure why 7 needs a remake yet when 9 and 12 are more in need of an update to current platforms |
| 15:13.20 | Amarande | 7? you can play it now on steam, anywayt |
| 15:13.23 | VIad | kept the remake of 7 as their "get out of jail" card |
| 15:13.30 | fewyn | because 7 will make boat loads of cash |
| 15:13.39 | Amarande | and I can't really think of anything 7 really needs to have added in to make a remake rock |
| 15:13.42 | fewyn | they are doing fine though VIad they've had a change in management |
| 15:13.45 | fewyn | recently though |
| 15:13.50 | Amarande | it's not like fixing say pandora's box or magic def is really worth a whole remake :) |
| 15:14.15 | fewyn | there's some storyline stuff that could be updated and def the graphics |
| 15:14.32 | fewyn | maybe make it a little less grindy? |
| 15:14.44 | Amarande | VIad: also FFXIV's reboot was quite successful ... the most so of any MMORPG since WoW pretty much |
| 15:15.07 | fewyn | no one has really ever done a reboot of an mmo |
| 15:15.09 | Amarande | and seeing that FFXIV has one of the best player retention rates in the business and is still finding new things to put out |
| 15:15.12 | fewyn | like they did with ffxiv |
| 15:15.13 | VIad | I am looking forward to the part when cloud dresses like a girl and gets laid, also the bath scene with 20 guys |
| 15:15.19 | Amarande | while WoW is pretty much ending up in the "tired old" category and bleeding subs like a stuck pig |
| 15:15.21 | VIad | if they crap that I'll write a letter to square |
| 15:15.28 | VIad | scrap* |
| 15:15.32 | fewyn | some people are thinking they might cut that and i hope they don't |
| 15:15.37 | fewyn | i really hope they don't |
| 15:15.44 | fewyn | would be a HUGE mistake |
| 15:15.46 | VIad | maybe cloud is gay in the remake |
| 15:15.52 | VIad | to appeal to homosexuals and lesbians |
| 15:15.53 | Amarande | I'm not sure how well WoW is going to recover either if at all, especially with this new expansion cycle acceleration meaning it now basically costs $230 a year to play heh |
| 15:16.02 | VIad | representin' the gay community |
| 15:16.15 | Maldivia | VIad: well, you could get on a date with barret in FF7 |
| 15:16.20 | fewyn | nintendo starts in like 14 minutes |
| 15:16.22 | VIad | made thor a girl so why not? |
| 15:16.33 | Amarande | (plus expansions coming at Christmas which means in this economy people have to dig out another $50 each year to keep up with WoW at the same time they're already dealing with gift budgets and impending January property taxes ...) |
| 15:16.43 | VIad | changing major characters isn't that surprising then :D |
| 15:16.55 | Maldivia | VIad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQRUCZFpWQI |
| 15:17.22 | VIad | maybe remake gets voiceacting? |
| 15:17.27 | Amarande | heh wonder if the FF7 remake will actually let you resurrect Aeris |
| 15:17.28 | VIad | instead of only textboxes |
| 15:17.58 | Amarande | maybe as a reward for some super hard bonus dungeon like it seems every FF remake has been getting |
| 15:18.41 | Amarande | like "beat Emerald Weapon ZERO and you can have Aeris back!" :) |
| 15:18.45 | fewyn | we'll see i assume we're several years out from ever seeing the actual game |
| 15:19.09 | fewyn | while the story for the game is mostly written you've got to rememeber it's a LONG game |
| 15:20.25 | Amarande | VIad: oh god not voice acting |
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| 15:20.35 | Amarande | I'm not sure why everyone has this love of voice acting in RPGs |
| 15:20.44 | VIad | who knows what they will do to justify the 60$ price tag |
| 15:20.53 | fewyn | i like voice acting Amarande :( |
| 15:20.59 | Amarande | fewyn: if you're a fast reader like I am, it tends to make the game take several times as long to play if you want to take in all the dialogue :( |
| 15:21.02 | VIad | me too - so option on/off is most logical |
| 15:21.16 | Amarande | because instead of a quick text box you usually have to sit and listen |
| 15:21.42 | fewyn | according to http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=3521 the main story average is 29h 46m with no sidequests/extras |
| 15:21.47 | fewyn | 39* |
| 15:23.35 | fewyn | teehee i forgot about Fractured but Whole yesterday |
| 15:23.39 | fewyn | was totally not expecting that one |
| 15:24.00 | Amarande | fewyn: is that going by the ingame timer or by steam's "time spent at the main menu counts as played" method? |
| 15:24.13 | fewyn | i think that goes by reported times |
| 15:24.17 | Amarande | also, the other problem with voice acting is it's probably helped the decline of the RPG :( |
| 15:24.30 | Amarande | one, story-heavy games with lots of characters get expensive with VA |
| 15:24.34 | fewyn | because this site has been around longer than the steam pc version |
| 15:25.04 | Amarande | two, it discourages the suits from wanting to do more RPGs because suits these days seem to pretty much expect that devs have a plan for post-purchase monetisation, i.e., DLC |
| 15:25.19 | fewyn | or they could hire a bunch of unknowns and pay them guild minimum |
| 15:25.25 | Amarande | and then you pretty much have to get all the VAs back together AGAIN for the DLCs, or people complain it feels incomplete and tacked on |
| 15:25.30 | fewyn | i assume VAs are part of the actors guild |
| 15:26.07 | Amarande | (... of course if you DO get all the VAs together for a DLC, that seems to happen so rarely that then people don't trust that you didn't have the add-on prepared ahead of time and held it back to sell later :P) |
| 15:28.54 | Amarande | but yeah, VAs make post-release content a lot more of a pain to make, and in the case of RPGs you usually need a lot of them for any DLC because party members, player race/gender choices, etc. |
| 15:29.40 | Amarande | and I'd be quite surprised if the extra costs and logistics associated with that, plus the DLC craze in general, aren't a (perhaps even the) main reason why we get so many fewer epic RPGs these days |
| 15:30.07 | fewyn | i really hope they keep the turn based combat |
| 15:30.12 | fewyn | in ffvii |
| 15:31.54 | fewyn | ha shenmue 3 is up to 2.5m |
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| 15:35.11 | Ironi | nii |
| 15:36.24 | Amarande | fewyn: ... yeah if it ends up being like the action based battle in the spinoffs people might not like that |
| 15:36.32 | Amarande | or, oh dear god please don't let it be the FF13 battle system |
| 15:36.44 | fewyn | yeah ff13 turned me off from playing new ones |
| 15:36.47 | fewyn | or was it 12 |
| 15:36.48 | fewyn | i forget |
| 15:36.53 | Amarande | "HALP I CAN'T GET SEPHIROTH INTO STAGGER AND HE WON'T TAKE ANY DAMAGES" |
| 15:37.01 | Amarande | *shiver* |
| 15:37.21 | Amarande | 13 had that irritating "stagger" system |
| 15:38.27 | Amarande | mind you, the whole stop enemy's turn & combo the bejesus out of them, that in of itself I haven't minded, that's how games like Xenogears, Xenosaga 2, Grandia 2 and 3, and Atelier Iris 2 worked in particular |
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| 15:38.48 | Amarande | but the whole "oh, sorry, I don't take damage at all unless you can keep me in stagger!" bit it seems so many of the serious enemies have is irritating |
| 15:39.28 | Amarande | (that and the arbitrary "we cannot go on without you" leader system, which apparently - I still have not got very far in the game personally - is said to turn some of the later stuff into practically luck based mission territory) |
| 15:39.57 | Amarande | 12's combat wasn't too bad, it was just that that plus the heavy grind felt like playing an MMO without any human company to talk to meanwhile :( |
| 15:42.30 | Kaylin | WoW feels like that right now. I wish garrisons were less phased. the whole city of your own with nobody there is depressing. |
| 15:42.57 | nevcairiel | you have dozens of friends in the garrison |
| 15:44.05 | Kaylin | what? npcs lol? |
| 15:44.47 | Amarande | Kaylin: and thanks to garrisons, Orgrimmar is the biggest ghost town in the world |
| 15:45.01 | Amarande | I think I actually may have seen more people in Dalaran and Shattrath than I've seen in Orgrimmar |
| 15:45.07 | Amarande | and the most active capital seems to be UC |
| 15:45.14 | Kaylin | *nods* |
| 15:45.20 | Amarande | mind you of course that's because those are CRZ and Org is not, heh |
| 15:45.27 | Amarande | (plus UC is just way saner for leveling characters than Org, really) |
| 15:46.27 | Amarande | Kaylin: and sometimes I get that nagging feeling that Blizzard wants to do away with social interaction in the game altogether :P |
| 15:46.51 | Amarande | notice for instance the lack of a chat channel in Hillsbrad? Which has been reported as a bug for many months and not fixed? And is actually one of the few leveling zones that still actually has group quests? :( |
| 15:47.12 | Kaylin | lol seriously? |
| 15:47.15 | Amarande | yup |
| 15:47.25 | Amarande | when you zone into hillsbrad it actually says you've *left* 1 and 3, not just changed |
| 15:47.41 | Amarande | go to arathi or wpl or back to silverpine and it's back, go back into hillsbrad and it's gone again |
| 15:47.55 | Amarande | it's been reported as a bug for months and for some reason blizz hasn't cared to fix it at all |
| 15:48.28 | Kaylin | it's a feature |
| 15:48.40 | Kaylin | we prevent poor player interactions by preventing all player interactions |
| 15:48.42 | Amarande | I end up having to just come back later (usually around 45ish before I'm getting ready to head to the south half) to do things like the arena bit and the yeti king |
| 15:48.42 | Kaylin | 100% effective |
| 15:49.28 | Amarande | (can you tell I absolutely, totally hate to abandon quests once acquired :) |
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| 16:42.52 | Outrider | Morning morning |
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| 16:47.16 | fewyn | the nintendo event was pretty lackluster |
| 16:48.15 | karl_w_w | did anything interesting happen? |
| 16:48.24 | karl_w_w | I've been watching this dry AMD event |
| 16:48.43 | fewyn | not really |
| 16:48.51 | Amarande | yeah, this AMD event has been pretty totally lacklustre |
| 16:49.02 | Amarande | AMD stocks are apparently slightly up though, so at least there's confidence in the company |
| 16:49.09 | fewyn | square is next |
| 16:49.13 | Amarande | which is pretty much what the x86 world needs most |
| 16:49.23 | Amarande | because if AMD ever craters, it's ... not pretty |
| 16:49.44 | Amarande | not sure how much intel cpus would really go up in price, mind you, especially at the higher end where AMD already doesn't really compete |
| 16:49.51 | Amarande | but they'd probably go up at the low-mid end at least |
| 16:50.00 | Amarande | and on top of that, Nvidia would be in a seriously bad way as well |
| 16:50.02 | nevcairiel | they are only talking GPU, probably not going to have anything about CPU |
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| 16:51.33 | Amarande | yeah, Zen probably isn't ready to announce yet |
| 16:51.34 | Amarande | omg |
| 16:51.44 | Amarande | STOP HANDLING THE CARD BY THE CONNECTOR EDGE WITHOUT AN ANTI STATIC STRAP |
| 16:51.58 | nevcairiel | what do they care, thats probably a plastic model |
| 16:52.03 | Amarande | gah that makes me cringe just seeing them do that heh |
| 16:52.09 | Amarande | yeah, that might be true :) |
| 16:52.16 | karl_w_w | what the fuck |
| 16:52.24 | karl_w_w | twice as powerful as a 290x |
| 16:52.31 | karl_w_w | did she just say that? |
| 16:52.49 | nevcairiel | nah, twice as efficient or something |
| 16:53.03 | Amarande | because gamers care about efficiency ... |
| 16:53.13 | Amarande | we were just bashing nvidia in another channel for thinking that, too :) |
| 16:53.16 | Outrider | Sweet sweet efficiency |
| 16:53.25 | Outrider | mmmm so good |
| 16:53.26 | nevcairiel | and they can't win with a single-GPU card, so they are shitting out a super expensive double-gpu model again =p |
| 16:53.35 | Amarande | although I've actually heard in some areas efficiency does matter to gamers |
| 16:53.38 | Amarande | mainly Europe, it seems |
| 16:53.50 | Amarande | because Europe went to tiered electricity rates to penalise heavy users |
| 16:54.05 | Amarande | whereas in the US it's generally all you can eat at one price (maybe higher at peak hour, but no "extra tax" for heavy users) |
| 16:54.06 | Outrider | hmm... didn'[t happen to me in Germany |
| 16:54.14 | Outrider | or Scotland |
| 16:54.22 | Outrider | is this a recent change? > 1 year |
| 16:54.32 | nevcairiel | Amarande: less efficient -> more power draw -> more heat -> more noise |
| 16:54.36 | nevcairiel | and noise we do care about |
| 16:54.56 | Amarande | Outrider: not sure, but I had someone in ##hardware tell me they get charged more in parts of EU *per kWh* if they use more than a certain number of kWh |
| 16:55.03 | Amarande | as in, you use more than the threshold, your whole bill jumps |
| 16:55.11 | Amarande | some kind of greenification initiative apparently |
| 16:55.11 | nevcairiel | there are contracts like that |
| 16:55.19 | nevcairiel | but you dont have to get them |
| 16:55.31 | nevcairiel | they are mainly useful if you have a pretty static power usage and dont exceed it ever |
| 16:55.34 | Outrider | aye I'm aware, never occurred to me though and I lived there for 5 years |
| 16:55.46 | Outrider | +1 to nev, I think that exists in the US in some areas too |
| 16:55.57 | Amarande | yeah, wouldn't be surprised if california has it too |
| 16:56.07 | Amarande | good lord, why do people even want to live in california anymore |
| 16:56.19 | Amarande | there's no water, there's barely enough power, rents are expensive as fuck ... |
| 16:56.38 | karl_w_w | fury x is apparently the most powerful card nevcairiel |
| 16:57.43 | Outrider | To sum up Nintendos panel: " |
| 16:57.58 | Outrider | "We made more Games of all nintendo franchises, you're welcome, give us money k" |
| 16:58.06 | Amarande | I kinda wonder how the California Parch is going to affect post-2020 US politics though |
| 16:58.16 | Simca | Outrider: that is every year |
| 16:58.34 | Outrider | one year they gave us a Super Smash though, that was nice, and another year they gave us the wii-mote |
| 16:58.39 | Amarande | Outrider: yeah Nintendo has not seemed to do very well this generation |
| 16:58.51 | Amarande | like AMD though, we kinda need them to stick around :| |
| 16:59.03 | Outrider | Nintendo is known for super innovation (and it fails hard for them sometimes), but this year they may as well be Sega and just make games. |
| 16:59.15 | Amarande | otherwise *shiver* we could see Microsoft having a lock on the *entire* home gaming market :( |
| 16:59.55 | Amarande | since I'm not sure Sony really wants to continue with consoles as such ... the whole PS Now thing seems to indicate they're aching to move to cloud streaming instead of having Playstations in people's living rooms |
| 17:02.07 | Outrider | any of you lads at your companies do any work from home gigs? |
| 17:02.19 | Outrider | (or lasses) |
| 17:03.41 | Amarande | nope. retail means having to go to the store every work day heh |
| 17:04.11 | fewyn | time for squenix |
| 17:04.18 | Outrider | Looking for more dev work that allows me to live in Japan or something |
| 17:11.28 | karl_w_w | square enix seriously make so much good stuff |
| 17:11.40 | karl_w_w | and they don't pull as much shit as EA and ubisoft |
| 17:18.52 | karl_w_w | and they know how to make just cause |
| 17:23.23 | zenzelezz | halp! I'm trapped in a loop on TVTropes... |
| 17:23.29 | zenzelezz | there goes my evening |
| 17:23.48 | kd3 | whee, the stream broke |
| 17:24.19 | karl_w_w | the square enix stream works |
| 17:24.28 | karl_w_w | twitch one has been a mess since the start |
| 17:29.10 | Amarande | zenzelezz, let me find you a Cracked link so you can escape TVTropes. :) |
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| 17:33.03 | zenzelezz | Amarande: :-p |
| 17:34.47 | kd3 | replaying the ff7r trailer |
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| 17:38.55 | g0urra | oh my fucking god, Kingdom Hearts fans just got trolled |
| 17:39.22 | karl_w_w | twice |
| 17:40.10 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/dejWfGv.jpg |
| 17:40.22 | g0urra | haha ha |
| 17:40.23 | Ackis | I turned off the Square stream when the dude came out with a stupid head |
| 17:40.24 | g0urra | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:40.41 | zenzelezz | let's hope they don't get kingdom heartbroken |
| 17:40.54 | g0urra | oh my god the rage in the twitch chat |
| 17:51.53 | karl_w_w | MMO hitman? |
| 17:51.58 | karl_w_w | ABANDON STREAM |
| 17:52.35 | karl_w_w | yeah nobody is playing this |
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| 18:00.13 | kd3 | integrity and faithlessness? |
| 18:00.14 | kd3 | ... |
| 18:01.48 | karl_w_w | those 2 words don't seem to go together at all |
| 18:04.03 | Semlar | neffi.. |
| 18:04.41 | Semlar | lasership claims my package was delivered, but it's most definitely not here |
| 18:05.00 | Neffi | lasership? |
| 18:05.14 | Neffi | that's a terrible name for an adult shop, Semlar |
| 18:05.15 | Semlar | cheap delivery company amazon uses |
| 18:05.35 | Neffi | well that sucks |
| 18:05.38 | Neffi | what did you get? |
| 18:05.40 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.45 | Semlar | nothing, evidently |
| 18:05.59 | Neffi | "Left At: Front Door" did somebody steal it? |
| 18:06.07 | Semlar | i highly doubt it |
| 18:06.17 | Semlar | i went out there 5 minutes after it claims it was delivered |
| 18:06.37 | Semlar | it's not really a high crime area |
| 18:06.43 | Neffi | i had similar shit happen |
| 18:07.05 | Neffi | in fact I was standing in my living room once and I watched a package get marked as "not delivered, nobody home" |
| 18:07.10 | Neffi | nobody even came near my house |
| 18:07.30 | Semlar | i don't know if they delivered it to the wrong house or if they're literally just claiming they delivered things before they do |
| 18:07.39 | Neffi | could be either |
| 18:07.42 | Neffi | call 'em up |
| 18:14.57 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:15.50 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 18:16.04 | karl_w_w | new RPG IP from squeenix, and my stream goes down |
| 18:16.56 | Outrider | youtube still works |
| 18:17.03 | Outrider | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQwlJzROy38 |
| 18:17.10 | kd3 | this works too http://www.twitch.tv/squareenixpresents |
| 18:21.08 | karl_w_w | "wow that was japanese" lol |
| 18:21.32 | Outrider | everyone coming up on stage and clapping, yah :) they still need some presentation work |
| 18:23.31 | karl_w_w | apparently there is a lot more cool stuff than what they already showed for just cause 3 |
| 18:28.46 | zenzelezz | Steam's "expiration date", as well as many others, seem to often extend past 2030... do (m)any credit/debit cards actually have such a long expiration? |
| 18:29.34 | fewyn | really depends |
| 18:29.43 | fewyn | mostly corporate cards i think have long ones |
| 18:30.14 | zenzelezz | that would make sense, didn't think of those. Most I've ever had is three years ahead |
| 18:32.50 | karl_w_w | wooo, american truck simulator confirmed for the PC gaming show |
| 18:34.34 | Ackis | wth are these youtube achievements? |
| 18:34.58 | zenzelezz | everything is better with achievements! |
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| 18:41.57 | Mihau | I am working on achievements right now! *Starts cutting eye balls out.* |
| 18:43.29 | zenzelezz | there's one for watching Youtube while blind? Hard core |
| 18:48.12 | Mihau | zenzelezz: I mean actually coding an achievements system. |
| 18:48.31 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 18:49.02 | fewyn | http://i.imgur.com/LM1zg4K.png |
| 18:50.50 | Maldivia | fewyn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kznek1uNVsg ? |
| 18:51.00 | fewyn | yes |
| 18:51.01 | fewyn | that |
| 18:51.03 | fewyn | oh god |
| 18:51.06 | fewyn | i get the feels |
| 18:51.10 | fewyn | every time i see this |
| 18:51.44 | karl_w_w | I wonder if I'll play it |
| 18:52.07 | karl_w_w | which is literally an identical question to "I wonder if they'll release it on PC" |
| 18:52.15 | Amarande | zenzelezz: from what I've experienced, credit cards usually have a three to five year expiration timeframe |
| 18:52.16 | fewyn | they said play it first on the ps4 |
| 18:52.19 | fewyn | karl_w_w |
| 18:52.22 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:52.26 | fewyn | so it's probably going to be on xbox and pc |
| 18:52.29 | karl_w_w | but in the square conference they didnt |
| 18:52.30 | Amarande | zenzelezz: however, some types of cards (especially prepaids and gift cards) can have much longer ones |
| 18:52.34 | fewyn | square has been branching out to the pc lately |
| 18:52.40 | Maldivia | lately they've been pushing FF games to PC |
| 18:52.47 | karl_w_w | they just said "it's being developed for PS4" in their conference |
| 18:53.09 | Amarande | zenzelezz: however, I have a gut feeling that the expiration timeframe on credit cards may be about to increase dramatically |
| 18:53.19 | Amarande | hm. europe folks, do your credit cards tend to have longer expiration cycles? |
| 18:53.41 | Amarande | what occurs to me is that the move to smart chips is likely to result in cards with longer cycles |
| 18:53.56 | Maldivia | Amarande: define "longer" |
| 18:54.07 | Amarande | Maldivia: more years between issuance and expiration date |
| 18:54.19 | Maldivia | yeah, bit longer than what? |
| 18:54.29 | Amarande | like here in the US you get a new card and it usually expires about 3-5 years after the year when you got it |
| 18:54.44 | Maldivia | 4 years on my most recent card |
| 18:54.56 | Amarande | huh, I would have thought the chip & pin would make for longer expirations |
| 18:55.03 | Amarande | in the US I wouldn't be surprised if it would |
| 18:55.14 | Amarande | given that American banks tend to be pretty much the Scroogiest companies on earth |
| 18:55.15 | Maldivia | my cards rarely survive 2-3 years of use, they break before then |
| 18:56.33 | Maldivia | my day-to-day card, the plastic on the back is pealing of |
| 19:02.57 | Maldivia | Amarande: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23189439/kort.jpg that would be my card at the moment :) |
| 19:05.07 | Amarande | oh misuse |
| 19:05.12 | Amarande | for a moment I thought it said "Mouse is a criminal" |
| 19:05.42 | Amarande | surprised it does break so readily though, you're on chip & pin right? |
| 19:05.51 | Maldivia | yep |
| 19:05.56 | Amarande | most of the wear on credit cards at least seems to center on the magnetic stripe and swiping |
| 19:06.09 | Amarande | and the stripe becomes obsolete with chip & pin |
| 19:06.24 | Maldivia | well, I think most of the wear is from wallet |
| 19:06.29 | Maldivia | pulling in and out |
| 19:06.35 | Amarande | (I'm still puzzled on how you do recurring subscription payments with chip & pin though) |
| 19:06.55 | Maldivia | you can still use the card online with just the number |
| 19:07.01 | Amarande | hah |
| 19:07.06 | Maldivia | it's just in terminals in shops etc that you use the chip |
| 19:07.10 | Amarande | so basically http://xkcd.com/1200 style security :) |
| 19:07.47 | Amarande | aka "this doesn't really handle the actually most relevant abuse scenario" LOL |
| 19:08.52 | Maldivia | but most banks here use "Verified by Visa" or equivalent, meaning if I use my card online, it is 2-tier security, by sending me a code by text to enter |
| 19:10.03 | nevcairiel | assuming the shop supports that |
| 19:10.06 | nevcairiel | they dont have to |
| 19:10.11 | Maldivia | correct |
| 19:10.28 | nevcairiel | even the 3 digit security code on the back ois optional for shops to support |
| 19:10.33 | nevcairiel | although that one most have |
| 19:10.34 | Maldivia | but I think visa takes a lower cut if they use it |
| 19:10.55 | Amarande | yeah, but even that's not going to properly handle subscription payments |
| 19:11.11 | Amarande | unless security is basically going to sadly eventually demand that the notion of a 'recurring subscription' be put to bed :( |
| 19:11.32 | Amarande | and we'll have to go back to the olden days where we had to manually put in a payment every time, like how you had to mail a cheque each year for your favourite magazine |
| 19:11.46 | nevcairiel | just stop using credit cards for recurring payments |
| 19:12.18 | Amarande | nevcairiel: how else would people do it? ACH is possibly even more insecure :) |
| 19:12.50 | Amarande | unless you expect people to have to go to the retail store to buy timecards every time (and too bad if you can't buy them locally), or have to mail in a cheque like yesteryear LOL |
| 19:14.00 | Amarande | (wait, cheques aren't secure either, see above about ACH) |
| 19:14.08 | nevcairiel | well US bank system is terribly dated anyway |
| 19:14.24 | Amarande | yeah, let's hope security and hackings don't come to that |
| 19:14.51 | nevcairiel | I dont think our direct debit system in europe is considered particularly insecure |
| 19:15.04 | Amarande | it would be sad to see fellow players of a game be saying goodbye because "we had to move, and it's too expensive to go to the city to buy game time around here" |
| 19:15.22 | Amarande | yeah, ACH in the states is laughable |
| 19:15.42 | Amarande | literally, a single cheque contains all the information needed for someone to rip off all your money through ACH |
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| 19:48.30 | karl_w_w | well this is disappointing http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2015/06/15/a-new-oculus-rift-challenger-approaches-say-hello-to-the-5k-ultrawide-project-starvr-headset/ |
| 19:49.07 | karl_w_w | i had hoped the developer of one of the best games of all time would spend their time on a project that's not doomed to failure |
| 19:49.41 | nevcairiel | that article is rather inaccurate, its not the software company that works on the VR headset, but their parent company |
| 19:55.32 | karl_w_w | so it's more like a sister division rather than them |
| 19:56.32 | Maldivia | so, we'll be able to have "5k" VR headset... but with 15fps, since nothing really supports that kind of resolution yet? |
| 19:56.45 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 19:57.09 | karl_w_w | unless you're buying a fury x |
| 19:57.15 | karl_w_w | $650 |
| 19:57.33 | nevcairiel | well its not exactly that resolution |
| 19:57.40 | nevcairiel | since its two eyes which just draw the same scene |
| 19:57.58 | Maldivia | from two different angles |
| 19:57.59 | nevcairiel | with slightly different camera positions of course, but the same scene regardless |
| 19:58.16 | nevcairiel | which is still a lot easier to render than a full 5K image |
| 20:01.43 | Mr_Rabies | didn't starbreeze almost go bankrupt once already, geez what a gamble |
| 20:02.16 | nevcairiel | i think they got bought out by said parent company in between |
| 20:02.45 | nevcairiel | or other way around? |
| 20:02.48 | nevcairiel | what do i know |
| 20:03.07 | nevcairiel | the company that made this headset is called InfinitEye anyway, and its french |
| 20:03.22 | nevcairiel | i forget how these companies are related exactly |
| 20:06.36 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:06.45 | Amarande | my PC is going to drive me to the crazy house :| |
| 20:07.01 | Amarande | case rattle :( |
| 20:07.22 | karl_w_w | this item in the steam monster sale |
| 20:07.28 | karl_w_w | cripple spawner |
| 20:07.45 | karl_w_w | I can't get over the fact that it's called cripple spawner |
| 20:08.02 | karl_w_w | "how many cripples does it spawn?" |
| 20:09.19 | Amarande | aarrgghhh |
| 20:09.26 | Amarande | ever get case rattle and just not be able to find it? |
| 20:10.04 | karl_w_w | literally never |
| 20:10.15 | karl_w_w | there's very little that should be rattling in a case |
| 20:12.19 | Kesava | i do |
| 20:12.21 | Kesava | it is very annoying |
| 20:13.01 | Mr_Rabies | if you tightened everything down appropriately nothing should be rattling |
| 20:13.20 | Kesava | unless it's a cheap case |
| 20:13.43 | Amarande | it just started not too long ago |
| 20:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah if you have a cheap case and really high rpm fans it can definitely cause case rattle, but usually it's just a door that you can quiet in various ways |
| 20:14.35 | Kesava | indeed |
| 20:15.51 | Amarande | what's REALLY irritating is it seems to keep being, I hear the rattle, I open the case and start looking around to see if anything's loose |
| 20:15.54 | Amarande | then the rattle STOPS |
| 20:16.04 | Amarande | then I move away from the case and it'll start again ... just like noises at the auto mechanic LOL |
| 20:17.22 | Amarande | now it seems to have stopped again |
| 20:18.07 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:18.10 | Amarande | could be shelf placement |
| 20:18.18 | Amarande | I'm not actually sure now that this shelf is large enough to handle this computer |
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| 20:33.59 | karl_w_w | maybe it's just the case side panel |
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| 20:50.31 | Amarande | nah, it did it a few times after I took off the side panel |
| 20:50.35 | Amarande | seems to be behaving now |
| 21:02.04 | g0urra | "The new 6.2 Paladin sets will surely be transmog favorites for years to come." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHFtPNSXIAAcYj9.jpg |
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| 21:13.38 | Gnarfoz | g0urra: by which they certainly mean "it'll be years until someone dares wear it un-transmogrified"? :D |
| 21:18.45 | g0urra | mos tlikely |
| 21:18.48 | g0urra | most likely* |
| 21:23.20 | Semlar | on the plus side it's not the hunter set |
| 21:24.34 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.01 | Outrider | by hunter set do you mean starter set revamp |
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| 21:33.11 | kullervo | g0urra: haha yeah the shoulders are awful and large belts are just eww |
| 21:33.43 | g0urra | why is one of them an orc |
| 21:33.49 | Semlar | HORDE |
| 21:33.50 | kullervo | I liked the stained glass look they were going for with the helm, going with that with the shoulders would've looked very unique |
| 21:33.57 | g0urra | oh yeah horde represent |
| 21:34.04 | kullervo | but orcs can't even be paladins |
| 21:34.13 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that horde one is a blood elf |
| 21:34.18 | g0urra | that's why it was a blood elf |
| 21:34.24 | kullervo | oh yeah hunter set, horde paladin is definitely a belf |
| 21:34.41 | kullervo | they have that cool stance |
| 21:34.46 | g0urra | but I don't get why none of the tier sets is worn by a horde race |
| 21:35.00 | nevcairiel | horde races are ugly |
| 21:35.03 | Semlar | they should all just be pandas |
| 21:35.07 | kullervo | lol |
| 21:35.22 | kullervo | I like how the "pandaria" challenge sets didn't even fit on pandas |
| 21:35.24 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.35 | kullervo | like the brewmaster helms, OBVIOUS PANDA THING, clips with their ears |
| 21:35.46 | Semlar | i love how bad their model rendering is |
| 21:35.59 | kullervo | Semlar: that's a sphere, it only has one curve |
| 21:36.18 | kullervo | ":D" |
| 21:36.18 | Semlar | even disregarding the fact that the belt buckle isn't being rendered, it's the wrong color |
| 21:36.29 | kullervo | armory also has the wrong models |
| 21:36.34 | Semlar | it's so bad |
| 21:37.08 | Semlar | probably because it thinks it's the raid finder version instead of the heroic version for some reason |
| 21:37.26 | Semlar | i miss the armory that let you pick your own pose |
| 21:38.22 | Semlar | it gave you a 3d model that you could pick different animations from and move it around and snapshot one |
| 21:38.34 | VIad | is this a typo? http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434490705.png (first words) |
| 21:38.52 | Semlar | accent |
| 21:39.03 | Semlar | scottish |
| 21:39.21 | kullervo | yeah that was nice. Nowadays we get shit like this http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/Adenosine/advanced |
| 21:39.45 | Semlar | golf swinging out of the picture |
| 21:40.12 | kullervo | and monks shouldn't even be wielding their weapons >_> |
| 21:41.58 | kullervo | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravenholdt/Vjiekas/simple |
| 21:42.09 | kullervo | rogues have alright poses, excetp that the models are messed up |
| 21:42.23 | kullervo | http://kullervo.dy.fi/pub/drop/pic/2015-06-17_00-42-21.jpg |
| 21:42.58 | nevcairiel | thats not the rogues fault, thats just gnome |
| 21:43.15 | kullervo | still, why do gnomes get rendered with the wrong models |
| 21:43.32 | nevcairiel | armory has all kinds of funny problems |
| 21:43.39 | Semlar | must have the array in the wrong order |
| 21:43.47 | nevcairiel | somehow the DB is separate from the game db and they keep messing up the sync |
| 21:43.57 | Semlar | shhhhhocking |
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| 21:51.44 | Amarande | also Semlar you shouldn't push that weapon transmog, next thing you know people are going to think Ashran is actually fun or something |
| 21:56.48 | fewyn | ash...ran... fu..n? |
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| 22:14.26 | kullervo | fewyn: well it used to be |
| 22:14.35 | fewyn | liar |
| 22:15.26 | kullervo | back when both sides had like 20 named elites and 100 players etc |
| 22:18.45 | znf | Ashran was fun first weeks :P |
| 22:19.17 | kullervo | yeah |
| 22:19.30 | kullervo | now I just need about 440 pandaren kills |
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| 23:27.41 | phelps | ~wowstatus |
| 23:27.41 | purl | methinks wowstatus is http://battle.net/wow/en/status |
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| 23:28.31 | phelps | IPv4 logon isn't working for me |
| 23:28.34 | phelps | IPv6 works fine |
| 23:29.02 | kullervo | had some bnet /xreaknissues on eu |
| 23:29.24 | kullervo | fingers misaligned. bnet/xrealm issues on eu, couldn't see anyone online in the guild but chat worked. |
| 23:31.34 | phelps | idk the IP to run a mtr on to check |
| 23:31.38 | phelps | meh, w/e |
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