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| 01:07.07 | Torhal | Cairenn: https://twitter.com/_Torhal_/status/609524985200279553 |
| 01:07.21 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
| 01:08.01 | znf | torhal has twatter |
| 01:08.16 | Torhal | Indeed. |
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| 06:51.24 | bluspacecow | that moment when batch fanfiction downloader reads more lines then wc in your input file |
| 06:51.27 | bluspacecow | #wat |
| 06:53.38 | bluspacecow | only I could mispell python :( |
| 06:54.35 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 06:54.37 | Fisker | H E Y |
| 06:54.45 | bluspacecow | sup |
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| 13:52.27 | zenzelezz | I love you, The Oatmeal... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tyrannosaurus_standup |
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| 14:52.30 | karl_w_w | that's ridiculous zenzelezz, nobody should be drinking coffee after midday |
| 14:53.28 | karl_w_w | well, unless you work afternoon-evenings |
| 15:07.20 | stuf | why not |
| 15:11.20 | karl_w_w | caffeine has a 6 hour half life |
| 15:12.02 | karl_w_w | so if you're drinking it after midday you're just not going to get quality sleep |
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| 15:13.28 | Semlar | if you go to sleep at 6 |
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| 15:56.41 | stuf | dunno, I don't drink much coffee but it rarely has that effect on me if I drink in the evening |
| 15:59.40 | karl_w_w | how do you know what effect it has on you, you're asleep :P |
| 16:00.50 | stuf | based on sleep polygraphy that I am somewhat regularly exposed to :P |
| 16:03.53 | karl_w_w | well studies put you in very small minority :P |
| 16:05.48 | stuf | might have a smaller effect on me in some cases since i seem to be metabolizing some stuff much quicker than other. |
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| 16:28.32 | Neffi | injects Semlar with coffee. |
| 16:28.43 | Semlar | falls asleep |
| 16:28.49 | Neffi | wat |
| 16:29.03 | Semlar | it's not very effective.. |
| 16:29.08 | Neffi | D: |
| 16:29.18 | Neffi | im not v good at the pokeemans stuff |
| 16:36.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.59 | fewyn | watched the pilot for SyFy's new show Dark Matter... pretty cliche in the story department but it was decent |
| 16:42.47 | Neffi | wat |
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| 16:45.09 | fewyn | Neffi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Matter_(TV_series) |
| 16:45.34 | Neffi | I was wat'ing at Semlar |
| 16:45.44 | Neffi | I've seen the previews and I'm not interested. SyFy stuff sucks. |
| 16:45.55 | Semlar | harsh |
| 16:46.05 | Semlar | but probably true |
| 16:46.23 | Neffi | No, it's really all 100% god-awful. They have not done a single even passable thing. |
| 16:46.36 | Neffi | Their stuff is like hilariously bad. |
| 16:46.37 | Semlar | i take it you've never seen frankenfish |
| 16:46.53 | Neffi | no I cannot say that I have |
| 16:47.38 | fewyn | it's not god awful |
| 16:47.41 | fewyn | but it's not amazing |
| 16:47.58 | fewyn | it's like they stole a bunch of stuff from a bunch of older space tv shows and are trying to make it work |
| 16:48.37 | Semlar | toward the end of the movie they're in an airboat being chased by a giant fish and they kick the cage off the back of the airboat fan and crash it into the shore and the fish jumps into the fan |
| 16:49.11 | Semlar | and everyone lives happily ever after |
| 16:49.29 | fewyn | i don't watch Syfy movies |
| 16:49.41 | fewyn | this new show is made in Canada |
| 16:50.00 | fewyn | a lot of familiar actors if you watch lost girl |
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| 17:29.22 | Torhal | Farscape was good, but that's back when they were Sci-Fi and before they decided wrestling fit their programming. |
| 17:31.41 | Semlar | was andromeda on scifi? |
| 17:32.25 | nevcairiel | not initially |
| 17:32.56 | nevcairiel | only near the end of it, and we all know the last season was crap |
| 17:32.59 | nevcairiel | probably scifi's fault |
| 17:33.05 | Semlar | god dammit scifi |
| 17:34.40 | fewyn | syfy has recently admitted their rebranding effort was a bad idea |
| 17:34.48 | fewyn | within the last year |
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| 17:35.21 | Fisker | Hey Seerah |
| 17:35.40 | Seerah | hihi |
| 17:36.01 | Semlar | i have a mancrush on kevin sorbo |
| 17:36.23 | Fisker | I'll have a man crush on you |
| 17:36.30 | nevcairiel | everyone likes hercules |
| 17:36.31 | Semlar | tries to calm fisker down |
| 17:36.39 | Fisker | I'm calm |
| 17:37.12 | Seerah | best Hercules :) |
| 17:38.47 | fewyn | who doesn't have a crush on kevin sorbo? |
| 17:44.27 | Torhal | Lucy Lawless? |
| 17:45.34 | Semlar | :O |
| 17:51.10 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:06.10 | Neffi | who is kevin sorbo? |
| 18:06.15 | Neffi | also are you cheating on me? |
| 18:06.27 | nevcairiel | its hercules! |
| 18:06.37 | Neffi | oh ok |
| 18:06.46 | nevcairiel | also dylan hunt |
| 18:08.40 | zenzelezz | who? |
| 18:14.32 | Semlar | CAPTAIN DYLAN HUNT |
| 18:14.56 | Semlar | aka hercules in space |
| 18:15.12 | zenzelezz | that still tells me nothing |
| 18:15.19 | Semlar | get out |
| 18:15.40 | Maldivia | smacks zenzelezz senseless |
| 18:16.02 | Semlar | i'm insulted that you don't know who kevin sorbo is |
| 18:21.00 | zenzelezz | checked imdb... I've literally seen none of his stuff, except perhaps the four guest appearances in Dharma & Greg |
| 18:21.19 | Semlar | HERCULES AND ANDROMEDA |
| 18:21.35 | zenzelezz | like I said, I've seen none of it |
| 18:21.52 | zenzelezz | Hercules looks like just another hero thing, and I hate those |
| 18:22.21 | Semlar | you're a monster |
| 18:23.40 | Semlar | neffi please tell me you've seen at least one of these |
| 18:23.49 | Neffi | nope |
| 18:24.07 | Semlar | i think we should see other people. |
| 18:24.24 | zenzelezz | I already see other people |
| 18:24.27 | zenzelezz | they don't know they're dead |
| 18:25.27 | Semlar | i'm gonna go see if these are on netflix right now |
| 18:25.37 | Neffi | :| |
| 18:26.36 | Semlar | well hercules is but andromeda isn't, which is weird because i could have sworn i watched it on netflix a while back |
| 18:27.03 | Semlar | farscape is |
| 18:28.42 | zenzelezz | Andromeda is on Netflix here |
| 18:28.47 | zenzelezz | considered watching it a couple of times |
| 18:28.48 | Semlar | what! |
| 18:29.05 | Semlar | go watch it right meow |
| 18:29.49 | jleclanche | Anyone here have Kings Quest 6 installed? |
| 18:40.53 | VIad1 | any good netflix series? scifi? |
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| 18:42.40 | Maldivia | Sense8 |
| 18:42.42 | Fisker | sense8 maybe |
| 18:42.45 | Fisker | no u Maldivia |
| 18:43.00 | Fisker | but real scifi dark matter is good |
| 18:43.06 | Fisker | But only one episode so far |
| 18:43.13 | Maldivia | Fisker: I wasn't blown away with the pilot to be honest |
| 18:43.35 | Fisker | Yeah well you don't like real scifi if you like a wachowski project over dark matter |
| 18:43.37 | Maldivia | Fisker: the characters feel a bit too much like a "let's copy Firefly" |
| 18:43.50 | Fisker | was firefly bad? |
| 18:45.13 | Maldivia | not at all... but when the first association you get with the girl is that she's basically a copy of River, that's just feels wrong |
| 18:45.18 | nevcairiel | Sense8 had potential, but the season lacked a bit of stuff happening. The plot fit in one episode |
| 18:45.53 | Fisker | well at least dark matter will get more episodes than firefly |
| 18:45.55 | Fisker | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 18:46.09 | Maldivia | heh |
| 18:46.13 | zenzelezz | Netflix series can be somewhat hit and miss. I thought the first season of Hemlock Grove was all right; the second... not so much |
| 18:46.34 | Maldivia | Fisker: and I was just waiting for two more people to be found.. so the android would be 7 of 9 :D |
| 18:46.47 | Fisker | But she's 0 of 6 Maldivia |
| 18:47.17 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/zTN0Yen.jpg |
| 18:47.39 | VIad1 | firefly wasnt my cup of scifi joe |
| 18:47.56 | Maldivia | Fisker: only becuase they would get in trouble for calling her 7 :D |
| 18:48.06 | VIad1 | couldn't get into firefly at all, so... yeah |
| 18:48.14 | Fisker | She's actually called "Android" in the cast I think |
| 18:48.25 | Fisker | This isn't really Firefly |
| 18:48.29 | Maldivia | VIad1: well, story wise, it's not like firefly |
| 18:48.38 | Simca | are there cowboys in outer space |
| 18:48.40 | Fisker | It's kind of like the same setup but the plot isn't |
| 18:48.42 | Simca | if no, not firefly |
| 18:49.04 | Maldivia | Fisker: also, first time I heard about the nasty race that wipe out people etc, I thought of Reapers, because their name sounded like that as well |
| 18:49.14 | Fisker | heh |
| 18:49.55 | VIad1 | are the characters likable? |
| 18:49.59 | VIad1 | I guess that is what matters :P |
| 18:50.08 | Maldivia | some are |
| 18:50.23 | Maldivia | to be honest, the most interesting one for me was the android |
| 18:50.59 | Maldivia | but the Pilot was good enough for me to watch the next episode |
| 18:51.17 | Fisker | mckay best |
| 18:51.32 | Maldivia | there are a lot of pilots that I don't even finish because they are baaad |
| 18:52.02 | VIad1 | sadly seen several scifis that kind of died out at pilot or first season |
| 18:52.08 | VIad1 | seems like making scifi is hard |
| 18:52.17 | Maldivia | it is |
| 18:52.27 | Maldivia | narrower audience that is very critical |
| 18:52.41 | VIad1 | but if you win the nerds you win everything |
| 18:52.48 | VIad1 | nerd viewers are worth more points |
| 18:53.43 | Fisker | It's like you want to make something millions want to watch |
| 18:53.47 | Fisker | But you don't get that with scifi |
| 18:53.48 | Fisker | :D |
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| 18:54.11 | Fisker | So you piss off the hundreds of thousands sci fi fans in an attempt to please the other millions of viewers who doesn't like it anyway |
| 18:54.24 | Fisker | Season 1 of SG:U spent way way too much time on the drama |
| 18:54.38 | Fisker | At least no such thing here in Dark Matter |
| 18:54.56 | VIad1 | I remember big bang theory |
| 18:54.58 | VIad1 | when it was new |
| 18:55.06 | VIad1 | then all myt friends got bored of it eventually |
| 18:55.22 | VIad1 | me too in the end because no one else to talk about it with :( |
| 18:55.34 | VIad1 | but it was nerd oriented in a way, quirky nerds that lack social skills, e.g. |
| 18:55.36 | VIad1 | dunno what happened |
| 18:56.11 | zenzelezz | then it became popular and needed to cater to increasing viewer numbers, so they had to keep diluting it away from the original |
| 18:56.57 | VIad1 | :( |
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| 19:00.24 | VIad1 | no wonder we suck at technology and sciences if we just bring up people that get educated in religion or pseudosciences like astrology |
| 19:00.31 | VIad1 | need more engineers |
| 19:00.40 | VIad1 | then this wouldnt be an issue :D |
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| 19:23.28 | VIad1 | wow plothole |
| 19:23.34 | VIad1 | if you kill the lich king and all the scourge |
| 19:23.43 | VIad1 | the world can't be wiped out from rampant scourge |
| 19:23.59 | VIad1 | so where is the problem? :P |
| 19:24.11 | zenzelezz | clearly killing the whole scourge went spectacularly well |
| 19:24.42 | VIad1 | no I mean "there must always be a lich king" to control the scourge, but if you kill the scourge and don't make a new lich king problem is solved |
| 19:24.51 | VIad1 | as its the lich king that creates scourge from dead people, isnt it? |
| 19:25.20 | zenzelezz | do you have a source for that? |
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| 19:25.49 | zenzelezz | (I don't know one way or another) |
| 19:26.50 | VIad1 | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434223589.png |
| 19:27.05 | VIad1 | "He will kill you and your allies and raise you all as powerful soldies of the Scourge." |
| 19:27.22 | VIad1 | take out the lich king and all the scourge and problem solved :D |
| 19:27.54 | Fisker | That's the problem |
| 19:28.25 | Fisker | They can't defeat the scourge as is |
| 19:28.36 | Fisker | Raising new ones doesn't matter |
| 19:29.04 | VIad1 | we do kill the scourge in ICC |
| 19:29.07 | VIad1 | so they are definetly killable |
| 19:29.26 | VIad1 | it's just that lich king can raise more from killed good guys and make them scourge :D |
| 19:29.37 | zenzelezz | "He will kill you and your allies and raise you all as powerful soldies of the Scourge." <-- that doesn't say "he's the only one who can" |
| 19:30.54 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 19:31.13 | Fisker | It's not that you can't kill them VIad1 it's that their numbers are too great |
| 19:31.54 | VIad1 | could do a thing with bolvar - he forces them to gather at a trap and mages use some explosions to blow it all up |
| 19:32.05 | VIad1 | giant ambush with bolvars help |
| 19:32.22 | VIad1 | then something unpleasant with bolver so there isnt a lich king left |
| 19:32.23 | VIad1 | dunno |
| 19:32.25 | VIad1 | just some ideas |
| 19:34.42 | zenzelezz | it's entirely possible that you're right, but I imagine they had their own logic |
| 19:35.05 | VIad1 | suspect cataclysm got in the way |
| 19:35.06 | zenzelezz | could be as simple as "now we can make a 'He's back!' expansion" |
| 19:35.10 | VIad1 | with new story :D |
| 19:36.00 | VIad1 | no boss truly dies in wow |
| 19:36.06 | VIad1 | can always make a reason that they came back |
| 19:36.56 | VIad1 | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434224192.png cheats, can't kill :( |
| 19:38.43 | VIad1 | new perspective ;) http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434224298.png |
| 19:39.28 | VIad1 | fun to play with old content |
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| 19:43.45 | VIad1 | people got bank chars anymore? |
| 19:44.25 | VIad1 | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1434224643.png :D |
| 19:45.30 | VIad1 | got guild bank on it too for more slots |
| 20:00.05 | zenzelezz | why would people not still have bank alts? |
| 20:15.50 | Seerah | I have a bank alt, but I don't use it |
| 20:45.40 | Simca | i love it |
| 20:45.57 | Simca | 3 TB hard drive has 2 year warranty |
| 20:46.03 | Simca | fails after 800 days |
| 20:46.25 | kd3 | ouch |
| 20:47.12 | Amarande | Simca: Lemme guess, Seagate? |
| 20:47.22 | Simca | yep |
| 20:47.33 | Seerah | was it 800 on the dot? |
| 20:47.48 | Amarande | Ugh, Seagate. :P |
| 20:47.55 | p3lim | every seagate drive I've ever had has failed |
| 20:48.26 | p3lim | worst was the momentus xt, failed after 2 hours |
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| 20:51.59 | Simca | 21000 hours of power on time almost exactly |
| 20:52.10 | Simca | which is 875 days |
| 20:52.34 | Simca | probably add in an extra day for power outages |
| 20:56.45 | Amarande | my last drive with Seagate influences was a Samsung Spinpoint (from around the merger time, so it also has a Barracuda model number ... so I'm not sure under whose umbrella it was actually built) |
| 20:56.55 | Amarande | I WISH that thing would have failed, heh |
| 20:57.09 | Amarande | instead it took a year and several hundred dollars worth of hardware I didn't really need in the long run to track its guilt down |
| 20:57.27 | Amarande | meanwhile none of my WD drives have ever failed before being upgraded to something better |
| 20:58.18 | Amarande | come to think of it, Spinpoints were pretty notorious for having firmware issues ... wonder if Seagate is using the Samsung production process extensively now :| |
| 21:01.00 | kd3 | what's this about disk drives dying early? http://dpaste.com/3JFKHD7 |
| 21:01.06 | zenzelezz | I ran Spinpoints for some time, and they all worked fine |
| 21:03.27 | Amarande | 6.5 years run time ... kd3, was Barack Obama even a significant household name when you installed those? :) |
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| 21:05.37 | kd3 | b,c,d,f are my raid drives, a is my old os drive, e is my ssd (and new os drive), g is bulk storage |
| 21:06.49 | kd3 | my next computer purchase is a gigantic NAS so I can decommission the old raid/bulk storage |
| 21:07.18 | Amarande | hah, someone just quipped at me elsewhere that being a debian desktop user is "showing my age" :) |
| 21:09.29 | g0urra | wow.. apparently Watcher didn't plan factions at all until late in WoD development |
| 21:09.45 | kd3 | oh shit, the q&a |
| 21:09.52 | Amarande | g0urra: yeah, WoD development seems to have a fair number of forum posters shaking their heads |
| 21:10.10 | Amarande | like, just HOW long did they leave us sitting on SoO, and they still managed to not have the xpac really quite "finished" by release? :P |
| 21:10.37 | g0urra | also apparently there were too many bugs at launch for there to be flying |
| 21:10.40 | Amarande | I'm of the suspicion that certain suggestions related to the Titan team are probably fairly close to the truth |
| 21:11.07 | Amarande | as in, that a lot of the delay/incompleteness of WoD was because of man-hours going away on retraining lots of new team members instead of on actual dev work :( |
| 21:11.51 | Amarande | kd3: heh I forgot about the Q&A too |
| 21:12.21 | Amarande | I think a lot of people on the Blizz forums also did, because they just assumed that it would be them making up things to say about the lack of flying (this being before they changed their minds on it) |
| 21:12.49 | Amarande | g0urra, did they say anything about Farahlon and how it makes sense for it not to exist now when Netherstorm exists in the future? |
| 21:13.11 | g0urra | so far it's just flying, factions, and apexis dailies |
| 21:13.20 | g0urra | I didn't pay attention to what he's talking about now |
| 21:15.09 | Amarande | mind you we're talking about MMOs, sometimes thinking too much about it means expecting way too many things to make sense that don't ... e.g., how robots can be susceptible to poison :) |
| 21:15.11 | g0urra | sounds like they spent too much time on garrisons |
| 21:15.49 | g0urra | s/time/work/ |
| 21:17.55 | g0urra | Watcher didn't realize that garrisons would be too much to maintain for those with many alts |
| 21:18.21 | Amarande | yeah, altitis is getting to be a less and less manageable condition every xpac :( |
| 21:18.32 | Amarande | they really need to just cave and adopt a system like FFXIV where you can level all the classes on one character |
| 21:18.48 | Amarande | (maybe charge you a class change fee, like how respeccing costs now) |
| 21:19.09 | g0urra | nah that'll never be implemented with WoW, it's not that type of game |
| 21:19.24 | Amarande | probably would work better now than at any previous point, too, seeing that the huge stack sizes have relieved a lot of inventory management pressure |
| 21:19.59 | Amarande | g0urra: plus I have this sneaky feeling that MMO class change is a patented gameplay mechanic belonging to Square Enix |
| 21:20.18 | g0urra | I'd love to see an MMO with the class change system in Seiken Densetsu 3 :P |
| 21:20.33 | Amarande | given that the ONLY games I see it in are the Final Fantasy MMOs (well, and secondary class change in GW, but that is limited since primary class is fixed) |
| 21:20.36 | g0urra | nah Amarande, I don't think that's the case, just that other MMORPGs haven't figured that out |
| 21:20.44 | zenzelezz | if you're going to make "class" changes possible, just make a classless system in the first place |
| 21:20.52 | Amarande | g0urra: SW:TOR makes me wonder if it's the case, though |
| 21:21.05 | g0urra | zenzelezz: like The Secret World, kind of |
| 21:21.11 | Amarande | there was talk about being able to change your Advanced Class in SW:TOR for a fee a while back but it never happened |
| 21:21.22 | Amarande | which is very odd, because how often do you see EA pass up an opportunity to add a new microtransaction? :) |
| 21:21.50 | g0urra | lol SW:TOR is full of microtransactions already |
| 21:22.12 | g0urra | you can't even play as an F2P player |
| 21:22.15 | Maldivia | why not SWG style :) |
| 21:23.40 | g0urra | lmao PvP people got trolled, no PvP questions in the Q&A |
| 21:24.29 | Amarande | hah, these days Blizzard probably wants PvP players playing Hearthstone, HotS, or SC2 anyway |
| 21:24.48 | Amarande | especially hearthstone and hots where there's microtransactions to be sold |
| 21:25.17 | Amarande | whereas none of the microtransactions in wow are anything that pvp people care about, except maybe boosting to get back into the action faster on a new class without letting the competition have time to rack up too big a gear edge |
| 21:26.58 | Amarande | plus the less popular pvp is in wow, the easier it probably is to balance pve, too, I'd presume |
| 21:27.01 | Amarande | well, maybe |
| 21:27.24 | Amarande | LOTRO and FFXIV have next to no PvP community lately and it still doesn't really seem to make it a jot easier for Turbine or SE to balance things :S |
| 21:31.14 | g0urra | it's not like FF games have been focused on PvP anyway |
| 21:33.43 | g0urra | Ion "Lead Game Destroyer" Hazzikostas |
| 21:33.44 | Amarande | yeah, the pvp instances in FFXIV are basically dead apparently |
| 21:34.04 | Amarande | probably doesn't help that several of the jobs are totally useless in pvp, I suppose (due to how spell interruption in pvp was implemented) |
| 21:34.27 | karl_w_w | it's because final fantasy fans are nice people and nice people don't PVP :P |
| 21:35.06 | Amarande | yeh that's true, the FFX board is probably one of the most peaceful of all the highly active boards at GameFAQs |
| 21:35.14 | Amarande | the FFXIV board not so much so, but then that's because it's an mmo community board :S |
| 21:36.12 | Amarande | of course apart from dark aeon discussions, these days ffx talk is still pretty much about how much you can imitate that one knight from monty python and still be able to beat the game |
| 21:36.25 | Amarande | (you know the one. the one who keeps having limb after limb chopped off and insisting "I can still fight!" :) |
| 21:37.24 | Amarande | karl_w_w: actually come to think of it most of the bitterness in FFXIV centres around people who got into the game late and now have it like getting blood from a stone to get successful groups for the older extreme primals so they can unlock the latest :S |
| 21:37.57 | Amarande | sadly, square hasn't quite really understood that forced progression just doesn't really work in mmos anymore :( |
| 21:39.35 | g0urra | oh wow, demo lock nerfed to the ground question popped up in the chat |
| 21:39.38 | g0urra | chat explodes |
| 21:40.08 | Amarande | g0urra: are they ever going to finally out and admit that basically warlocks permanently got on senior devs' shitlist after 2.0.1? heh |
| 21:40.22 | Amarande | (at least, that's what the history of warlocks in wow SEEMS like, anyway, much to the chagrin of anyone who likes the class) |
| 21:40.41 | kd3 | ooh, calling out noxxic |
| 21:40.46 | g0urra | hah, apparently too many people went demo so they nerfed it to the ground |
| 21:40.46 | Amarande | also, and admit that the senior devs mostly play hunters :) |
| 21:40.52 | g0urra | wait what did he say about noxxic |
| 21:41.01 | kd3 | 'getting misinformation' |
| 21:41.06 | g0urra | sigh |
| 21:41.39 | Amarande | yeah, why is it that when other classes (e.g., demo lock) get popular they get thrown under the bus faster than Nvidia throws older GPU architectures there |
| 21:42.02 | Amarande | while a certain class (yes you know who you are, you with the bright green class colour :P) seems to if anything just keep getting BUFFED |
| 21:42.09 | Amarande | despite also being disproportionately popular? |
| 21:42.33 | Amarande | either senior devs must be playing hunters and bolster the class for their sake or there's some specific reason blizz wants to keep hunters popular, it would at least seem :S |
| 21:43.12 | g0urra | "it's demonology's time to be the worst warlock spec" -Ion 'Lead Game Destroyer' Hazzikostas |
| 21:43.15 | Amarande | the only rational reason I can even think of is that hunters are popular with youths, and keeping youths in the game is critical if they want arena to be a successful e-sport |
| 21:43.53 | Amarande | (seeing that basically like, every e-sport team photo resembles an NSYNC or Backstreet Boys poster more than it does a group of veteran gamers like say us, LOL) |
| 21:43.57 | g0urra | blizzard doesn't care about arena PvP |
| 21:44.20 | g0urra | just look at how many new arenas were released in WoD |
| 21:44.28 | Amarande | huh. for the longest time I thought it was practically all they cared about, to the expense of, say, PvE players' fun |
| 21:44.48 | Amarande | well, that's not necessarily an indication that arenas aren't an important player draw |
| 21:44.54 | Amarande | hell, look at CS:S |
| 21:44.56 | zenzelezz | you seem to live in quite a few interesting alternative worlds Amarande |
| 21:45.31 | Amarande | no matter how many awesome maps people come up with, you can probably bet your dinner money, with pretty reasonable odds, that when you log onto the server you will mostly be stuck playing de_dust2 ad nauseam :) |
| 21:45.58 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I've seen League championship team photos, they do indeed look more like a boy band poster than anything else LOL |
| 21:46.34 | Amarande | which seems to suggest serious e-sports is mostly something for the teenage set, and that us older folks probably won't ever really compete |
| 21:46.54 | Amarande | (seems like this is the case for games in general, when's the last time you've seen a chess super-GM that didn't start playing when they were like three, heh) |
| 21:48.48 | Amarande | g0urra, so no new arenas could just as well mean that they didn't want to deal with the trouble of balancing out the kinks and exploits that invariably goes into such |
| 21:48.53 | g0urra | "If you're the only healing priest in a raid and holy, you're doing it wrong." |
| 21:49.15 | Amarande | since people take competition so seriously that more or less the first thing teams try to do is find ways to break the setting to their advantage |
| 21:49.21 | foxlit | np, patch 7.0: absorbtion shields only mitigate 50% of the incoming damage. |
| 21:49.27 | Amarande | (and then it hits pve players too in many cases, like what happened to the later part of redridge) |
| 21:49.32 | g0urra | heh |
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| 21:50.42 | Amarande | foxlit: at which point I'm glad I specced eternal flame instead of sacred shield on my pally :) |
| 21:51.47 | Amarande | although I'm ret and as prot you mostly use sacred shield ... yeah it's hard to nerf disc priests I think without getting a hue and cry from tankadins too |
| 21:52.25 | fewyn | https://twitter.com/G27Status/status/609835823157022720 |
| 21:52.27 | fewyn | hillarious |
| 21:52.38 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 22:02.40 | g0urra | "ilvl 735 agility weapons from mythic archimonde won't happen because not many people get to that level" |
| 22:02.54 | g0urra | jesus christ they are so deluded |
| 22:03.48 | nevcairiel | actually players are just deluded to think that this is such a terrible crime =p |
| 22:04.53 | nebula169 | it is a bit weird |
| 22:06.09 | g0urra | then why are they doing mythic raiding when according to them not many people get to that level |
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| 22:07.03 | kd3 | because they answered that earlier in chat. mythic doesn't take much effort after encounter design for the other modes are done |
| 22:07.04 | nebula169 | that's a bit of a jump from every player's bis isn't going to be the same |
| 22:07.12 | nevcairiel | its not about mythic in general, but also the final boss. roundabout 10000 people killed blackhand mythic |
| 22:07.28 | nevcairiel | world-wide |
| 22:07.30 | nevcairiel | thats not a whole lot |
| 22:09.24 | foxlit | this seems fine. |
| 22:09.34 | nevcairiel | and yeah, adding a competitive hardcore mode on top of the modes for the wide audience probably isn't too bad, and grants you a bit of press during the compeition to the target |
| 22:11.46 | Amarande | nevcairiel: that's gotta be more than finished naxxramas 40-man or sunwell when they were current, though |
| 22:12.31 | Amarande | or terrace in mop |
| 22:12.51 | Amarande | hah terrace was probably the single least completed raid in the entire game when it was current, from what I recall of wowprogress at the time |
| 22:13.12 | Amarande | even Illidan only had six guilds complete it on heroic |
| 22:17.34 | zenzelezz | when did they have heroic BT? |
| 22:17.41 | foxlit | realm. |
| 22:17.49 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 22:52.35 | Simca | my MS Word has the best problem. every second time I hit save (i.e. it always works exactly one time per session), Word fails at saving, deletes the file it was editing, and crashes to desktop. |
| 22:56.41 | Dagmar | I'd call that a blessing |
| 22:56.53 | Dagmar | It'll force you to go find something that doesn't suck donkey balls. |
| 22:57.31 | Dagmar | WAY better than sticking with it to have it randomly reformat your shit every few days. |
| 22:57.55 | Simca | configuring other office suites to have similar keybinds / options is a lot of effort |
| 22:57.56 | foxlit | because that totally happens. |
| 22:58.07 | Dagmar | We now have IDEs that practically function as debuggers while we write code |
| 22:58.23 | Dagmar | Word processors, by comparison, have a smaller problem set, and are still practically in the fucking dark ages |
| 22:58.45 | Simca | true enough |
| 22:58.53 | Dagmar | Oooh they can do trivial spell-checking and some grammar-checking. ...and everything else is just tossed into about a million submenus you have to manually invoke. |
| 23:00.31 | Dagmar | Even their attempts at providing "wizards" for some kinds of writing tend to be craptacularly clunky at best |
| 23:01.16 | Dagmar | Might as well just go to Apache/OOo simply because they handle the various storage formats with less internal insanity |
| 23:01.54 | Simca | I love Excel, but its CSV handling is literally terrifying (how bad it is) |
| 23:03.09 | Simca | it doesn't recognize commas as the default delimiter/quotes as the default escape character unless that was the last setting used when you used the 'Convert Text to Columns' function (a seemingly completely unrelated option for a completely different scenario) |
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| 23:03.52 | Simca | and it can't do UTF-8 detection without a BOM header, yet it can't save CSVs with a BOM header |
| 23:03.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: ideally, you code your resume or great american novel in TeX, of course :) |
| 23:04.20 | Dagmar | Hell, I've given up on that shit |
| 23:04.45 | Dagmar | I do my resume in plaintext and then add formatting when I pull it into a "real" word processor, and then ship the damn thing to people as PDF |
| 23:05.02 | Dagmar | For sure there is *no* "Word" format that some version of Word isn't going to fuck right up, every timne. |
| 23:05.28 | Dagmar | Saving as the oldest Word format available minimizes the damage, and that's about it |
| 23:05.48 | Simca | PDFs are just as bad |
| 23:06.06 | Maldivia | Simca: just save to xlsx format, it's just a zipped xml file :) |
| 23:06.11 | Dagmar | PDFs have the same appearance everywhere provided your generator is capable of including the font in the file |
| 23:06.25 | Dagmar | Fail to do that at your own peril |
| 23:06.40 | Amarande | Maldivia: hah, that doesn't always work either |
| 23:06.56 | Amarande | e.g., there are some self-publishing outfits that will only take .doc (or of course .pdf) and refuse .docx |
| 23:07.08 | Dagmar | I don't blame them on that last one |
| 23:07.11 | Amarande | DOCX was pretty much considered an abomination for years |
| 23:07.25 | Dagmar | Docx format is only slightly less complex than IMAP and NFS combined |
| 23:08.04 | Simca | yeah, a contract that a site around here uses doesn't include the font "because it's just times new roman". Adobe refuses attempts to edit the PDF because the font 'Times New Roman' is not compatible with the specified font 'TimesNewRoman' |
| 23:08.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: so about as complex as the U.S. Internal Revenue Code, or the rules for Test cricket |
| 23:08.12 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 23:08.37 | Dagmar | Simca: Yeah that's one of the MANY reasons to use a PDF generator that bundles the font into the file |
| 23:09.05 | Amarande | Simca: heh, people manage to fuck up PDFs in ways I can only shake my head at |
| 23:09.17 | Dagmar | You can't edit them for shit, but at least they don't magically transform into a cacophany of single-word lines and irregular line spacing |
| 23:09.25 | Amarande | when my sister got one of our dogs microchipped, we had to print a PDF that was emailed to us (they needed a physical signature apparently) |
| 23:09.44 | Amarande | the only way I could get it to print properly was through Google Chrome |
| 23:09.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: No option for laser eyes? |
| 23:10.02 | Amarande | Tried the Win8 native PDF reader, it didn't render it quite right IIRC |
| 23:10.11 | Dagmar | THat's one of my favorite things to ask a vet about |
| 23:10.12 | Amarande | and when we tried Adobe Reader ... good lord |
| 23:10.32 | Amarande | like, adobe reader apparently managed to print it in some bizarro format that actually literally crashed the firmware on my Lexmark laser |
| 23:10.37 | Amarande | which had NEVER had such a problem with a document before |
| 23:10.47 | Amarande | but try to print that dog's microchip form, and ... five blinking amber lights, must power cycle |
| 23:10.48 | Dagmar | Adobe Reader is one of the last things I'd want installed |
| 23:11.22 | Dagmar | Just about everything Adobe makes scares the shit out of me |
| 23:11.54 | Dagmar | Like, whose damn idea was their systray update checker bullshit that actually held up the boot process? |
| 23:11.58 | Simca | I keep Acrobat Pro X installed just because it's the last version that allows you to edit all PDFs (before they split off XFA PDFs into Lifecycle Designer) |
| 23:12.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: the windows boot/login process is itself something from the seventh circle of hell, heh |
| 23:12.28 | Amarande | when I log into KDE on Debian, I can go straight ahead doing whatevs I need to do as soon as the task bar pops up |
| 23:12.44 | Dagmar | I can't really argue that |
| 23:12.44 | Amarande | Try that on Windows? You get strange artefacts of "we wait till you login to actually finish the boot process" |
| 23:12.53 | Amarande | e.g., Chrome claiming it hasn't been shutdown properly, then opening a 2nd time, etc. |
| 23:12.56 | Dagmar | This girl I know just installed Visual Studio for a class she's taking |
| 23:13.10 | Dagmar | Last night she was wigging out because now her computer takes significantly longer to let her login |
| 23:13.12 | Amarande | because apparently, MS thinks people want fast boots more than they want fast usability |
| 23:13.25 | Amarande | (seeing that you have to wait till about a minute after login before you can actually use everything without worrying that it's still initialising :P) |
| 23:13.31 | Simca | startup applications don't delay booting in 7/8/10 |
| 23:13.34 | Amarande | (Then again, given how often Windows forces you to boot ... LOL) |
| 23:13.38 | Dagmar | ...because VS is fucking around with things that frankly, you shouldn't have to _wait_ for |
| 23:13.42 | Amarande | Simca: that's the thing, it's illusory |
| 23:13.50 | Dagmar | Simca: That is pure bullshit |
| 23:14.00 | Dagmar | THey *do* delay booting |
| 23:14.03 | Amarande | Simca: they don't delay booting, instead you have to sit and wait after logging on for it to load the same shit before everything will work properly :P |
| 23:14.23 | Dagmar | Just because your desktop appears on the screen doesn't mean the computer has a full minute or three more of update-checking bullshit maxing out your CPU in the background |
| 23:14.46 | Amarande | by contrast, you log into the DE on Linux and if the taskbar is there, you can pretty much go ahead and start up whatevs |
| 23:14.47 | Simca | okay, sure, but |
| 23:14.56 | Dagmar | Microsoft is simply "cheating" by saying you're logged in the moment the desktop appears |
| 23:14.59 | Simca | I can launch chrome and do other things while that occurs |
| 23:15.07 | Amarande | Simca: not really |
| 23:15.26 | Amarande | Chrome apparently wants you to wait, since every time I've launched Windows Chrome immediately upon logon, it does strange things like claim I didn't shut it down properly, and then loads a 2nd Chrome window |
| 23:15.33 | Dagmar | Linux has a *much* more refined sense of what priority a "background" task should have |
| 23:15.36 | Amarande | Linux Chrome doesn't do that at all |
| 23:15.44 | Amarande | just launches properly like it ought to |
| 23:16.02 | Simca | i've never had that issue. just takes it maybe 5 seconds to launch if the CPU is munching on startup apps at the same time |
| 23:16.08 | Amarande | oh, and steam ... dear effing god steam, how long can you TAKE to start up, heh |
| 23:16.25 | Simca | also, VS doesn't (or shouldn't) boot with the system |
| 23:16.27 | Amarande | Simca: the point is the reason your startup apps don't delay booting, is because of precisely that |
| 23:16.31 | Amarande | it just waits to load them after you log on :P |
| 23:16.37 | Amarande | and delays you THEN, which is generally MORE annoying |
| 23:16.38 | Simca | it has nothing to do with the system login that I know of |
| 23:16.50 | Amarande | yet MS doesn't seem to grasp this because "omg fast boots!" is something Marketing wants them to show off |
| 23:17.12 | Amarande | and that's the nice thing about Linux right there ... basically NOTHING YOU DO ON LINUX IS GIMPED TO APPEAL TO A MARKETING DEPARTMENT :P |
| 23:17.50 | Simca | idk, this example is pretty irrelevant given how (rarely) most of us restart our computers anyway |
| 23:17.55 | Amarande | btw, Dagmar, Debian just issued a new openssl package. might be an important security thing we need to update for |
| 23:18.09 | Dagmar | Yeah I got the email for it last night |
| 23:18.29 | Dagmar | ...which means half my stuff already has the update installed because by now the scraper will surely have seen the new package |
| 23:18.35 | Dagmar | Some thigns I just whitelist to automatically upgrade |
| 23:18.46 | Amarande | I really should just crontab the package upgrade process |
| 23:19.03 | Dagmar | Eventually I'll get around to refining that code to do unattended reboots, but not interested right now |
| 23:19.12 | Amarande | Simca: I'm hearing with Win10 people will have to restart more often, since they're doing away with Patch Tuesday |
| 23:19.23 | Amarande | but, far as I know, they're not doing anything about the fact that about 90% of windows updates require a reboot :P |
| 23:19.34 | Amarande | whereas barely any Linux updates do |
| 23:19.40 | Dagmar | I have hopes they'll hire Poettering |
| 23:19.49 | Dagmar | ...and take him out of our hair. |
| 23:19.53 | Simca | most windows updates don't require a reboot now, Amarande, at least not for 8 |
| 23:20.12 | Amarande | Simca: you're apparently running a different version of windows 8 than I was using, heh |
| 23:20.32 | Torhal | Holy fucking shit! It's STREAM OF CONCIOUSNESS TIME again in #wowuidev. Someone ping me when it's over so I can come back. |
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| 23:21.10 | Amarande | Simca: every single patch tuesday pretty much when you went to the password entry screen it said "restart to complete updates" or something of the such |
| 23:21.13 | Simca | My mother is a fish |
| 23:21.22 | Amarande | (I did have Group Policy set to eliminate the timed forced reboot though) |
| 23:22.16 | Amarande | good gods, what's got a bee in Torhal's bonnet :| |
| 23:23.32 | Amarande | Simca: what do you think about these 'forced updates' in 10, btw? |
| 23:23.57 | Amarande | apparently, everyone on "current branch" is required to install all updates as they come, no real choice in the matter, nor more than a short deferment |
| 23:24.27 | Amarande | I'm ... not sure that's such a good thing, especially given the fact that basically every version of windows has those one or two updates that send oodles of machines into endless reboot la-la land |
| 23:24.46 | Amarande | now people will be forced to lemming-like jump off the cliff even if ars technica or zdnet or such screams THIS UPDATE IS BAD |
| 23:25.07 | Simca | that's exactly how it is now if you have updates set to automatic (after download, the only options you have are 'wait X time' or 'reboot now') |
| 23:25.13 | Simca | so nothing will change for me |
| 23:25.44 | Amarande | Simca: if you're on Pro and use gpedit, or do the corresponding registry hack on plain 8.x, you can make the X time indefinite (although it'll still do it when you reboot next) |
| 23:26.17 | Simca | you can also just press CTRL+ALT+ESC and stop the windows update service |
| 23:26.39 | Amarande | yeah, I'm guessing 10 will probably prevent you from doing that unless you're on business or enterprise branch |
| 23:26.54 | Amarande | since they seem pretty adamant about it |
| 23:26.56 | Dagmar | 3am will be the new "Technical Fault Raid Wipe" time |
| 23:27.04 | Amarande | hell apparently there isn't even an Optional Updates category anymore if you're on current branch |
| 23:27.30 | Dagmar | It was so fun watching six of the ten people suddenly disconnect when they started doing that |
| 23:27.33 | Simca | wouldn't be too surprising, they already block most of administrative tools options for home standard users |
| 23:27.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: followed by half the raid being, as is probably the case lately, on laptops and not showing up for a week because they have to take the machine in to Geek Squad who sends it away to some repair facility for a week :P |
| 23:27.47 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 23:28.06 | Dagmar | The only reason everyone didn't get rebooted is that some of us had enough suspicion to apply updates earlier in the day |
| 23:28.21 | Dagmar | Now at least it seems to be able to tell that you're actually still using the computer when everything is going through DirectX |
| 23:28.38 | Dagmar | ..so it didn't do the whole "I'M ABOUT TO REBOOT YOUR ASS" in the background where you can't see it counting down |
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| 23:29.55 | Amarande | yeah, detecting idleness seems to be a fine art |
| 23:30.08 | Amarande | that's perhaps the one downside I can say about linux, it seems like it doesn't consider 'watching youtube' to be 'actively using the computer' |
| 23:30.26 | Amarande | so I have to jiggle the mouse around a bit every few minutes so it doesn't think I'm idle for 10min and power save the monitor |
| 23:30.38 | Dagmar | Oh... Something got missed there then |
| 23:30.48 | Dagmar | That problem got solved a few years back |
| 23:31.00 | Dagmar | ...at least when video is full screen |
| 23:31.30 | Amarande | ah |
| 23:31.33 | Amarande | yeah I didn't try it fullscreen |
| 23:31.58 | Amarande | nor am I even sure windows won't do the same thing |
| 23:32.07 | Kesava | it won't |
| 23:32.16 | Kesava | it uses something i cant' remember the name of |
| 23:32.27 | Kesava | but flash/html5 sends a power request which stops it from turning the screen off |
| 23:32.32 | Kesava | really annoying actually |
| 23:32.43 | Kesava | linux doesn't have a standard for that afaik |
| 23:32.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: think Nvidia is about to lose their favoured status in linux pretty hard soon, btw? |
| 23:32.54 | Dagmar | I dunno |
| 23:33.06 | Amarande | mostly thinking about the whole Vulkan thing |
| 23:33.17 | Amarande | Vulkan is supposed to be the successor to OpenGL ... Linux games tend, of course, to rely on OpenGL |
| 23:33.36 | Amarande | Even current AMD cards (as long as they're GCN 1.0 or newer) will be supported by AMD for Vulkan |
| 23:33.45 | Dagmar | I've just ordered an A10-7850K which is apparently going to have more GPU beef than my nVidia 550 Ti, so I'll soon see how much forcible sodomy is still involved in the Radeon drivers |
| 23:33.55 | Amarande | otoh, it seems that Nvidia doesn't really have plans to support Vulkan at all |
| 23:34.06 | Amarande | which basically means they're going to suck on Linux at that point, and hard |
| 23:34.40 | Amarande | yeah I'm about to get a low end Radeon soon too |
| 23:35.07 | Amarande | largely because I need to get a lightweight (physically) graphics card before I move, this machine will never survive with the 770 in it and I don't really feel like having to futz with computer hardware first thing upon settling in |
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| 23:35.45 | Amarande | thought of going with an APU, but that's a huge CPU downgrade from my Xeon E3 and on top of that it would cost about $150 in hardware to do it |
| 23:36.15 | Amarande | whereas I can get an R7 240 or 250 series for $50-75 or so |
| 23:37.35 | Dagmar | I spent about $260 including shipping for the new CPU and 16Gb of 2133 RAM |
| 23:37.52 | Dagmar | ...and that's using the "OMG NAO" shipping method |
| 23:38.25 | Amarande | if I wasn't moving, I'd just keep my 770 |
| 23:38.43 | Amarande | as it is, I might even just sell it off at the yard sale, seeing that Nvidia seems to be very hot to throw Kepler under the bus |
| 23:39.03 | Amarande | (e.g., look at hairworks, an R9 285 outdoes a GTX TITAN, that's how little nvidia cares about their kepler owners) |
| 23:40.50 | Amarande | hrm |
| 23:41.01 | Amarande | are refurbished newegg radeons a good buy? |
| 23:41.25 | Amarande | there's an R7 250X for $60 refurb, GDDR5, slim single slot cooler, basically jackpot for the kind of card I'm looking for |
| 23:46.46 | Dagmar | No idea. This (and the fact that both my boards for this are FM2+) is the reason I went for the highest RAM speed that wouldn't technically be overclocking |
| 23:47.24 | Dagmar | If it works out, I might go order another two sticks and bump things up to 32Gb, or maybe look into buying 2400 sticks |
| 23:47.50 | Dagmar | I hadn't really planned on another hardware update until it's time for Occulus Rift |
| 23:48.48 | Dagmar | Frankly of a higher priority is another disk reshuffle |
| 23:49.05 | Dagmar | I am very painted into a corner at the moment on that front |
| 23:49.35 | Dagmar | My options are basically to discard several seasons of Dr. Who and Torchwood at 1080, or re-encode them to 4.2 |
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| 23:49.49 | Amarande | Heh |
| 23:49.58 | Dagmar | ...or, a craptop of bucket brigading things between fileservers |
| 23:50.01 | Amarande | And meanwhile I can't even manage to use half a terabyte, let alone fill up my disks |
| 23:50.23 | Dagmar | I might just bite the bullet and get some removable trays for disks and load up the front of my fileserver with them |
| 23:50.38 | Dagmar | Buy an HD-PVR and built a MythTV box |
| 23:50.45 | Amarande | Even if I ran Windows and installed my entire Steam collection, plus all four MMOs I play, plus ripped my entire CD collection (two entire document boxes full of jewel cased CDs, so something like 225 or so albums) to FLAC, I'd probably still only use 500GB or so |
| 23:50.52 | Dagmar | 4Gb/hour easily |
| 23:51.01 | Amarande | I suppose if I ripped my DVDs too it'd be more, but I've never really cared enough to do that |
| 23:51.09 | Dagmar | I've got just under 6Tb of video recordings |
| 23:51.23 | Amarande | and speaking of audio, I feel pretty bad for the Vorbis devs |
| 23:51.33 | Amarande | Vorbis basically has ... about 2 more years of actual real world relevance, heh |
| 23:51.42 | Dagmar | I dont' see why |
| 23:51.49 | Amarande | the MP3 patents expire in 2017 |
| 23:51.50 | Dagmar | They're already as fucked as they can be |
| 23:52.02 | Amarande | after which there is basically no point at all to using vorbis when mp3 is so much more universally supported :S |
| 23:52.06 | Dagmar | They've solved all these hard problems, and companies just basically still refuse to use their formats |
| 23:52.36 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm targeting my Chromecast units as the format of choice for re-encoding |
| 23:52.44 | Dagmar | ...which is why the 4.2 high profile |
| 23:53.04 | Dagmar | But... there's literally hundreds of hours of video to reencode here. |
| 23:53.25 | Dagmar | Next time I redo the myth box I will *not* be using mythBuntu. Fuck that noise |
| 23:53.40 | Dagmar | I still haven't sorted out what the hell they've managed to do wrong with host resolution |
| 23:54.06 | Dagmar | Logging in takes 10-15 seconds over SSH for no reason I can find |
| 23:54.32 | Dagmar | The MySQL queries to MythTV's web interface take upwards of a minute, no matter what, and the damn thing is neither disk, nor CPU-bound |
| 23:54.34 | Amarande | yeah why use ubuntu anyway, just use debian :) |
| 23:54.53 | Dagmar | Well, I foolishly assumed that MythBuntu would be more polished than the homebrew build I did with Slackware before |
| 23:55.08 | Amarande | although for some reason debian doesn't seem to actually have the mythtv package *blink* |
| 23:55.09 | Dagmar | ...except those guys don't appear to really understand QA testing |
| 23:55.16 | Dagmar | It's in it's own repo |
| 23:55.50 | Dagmar | Before I had MythTV automatically transcoding things in the background when the recordings were done |
| 23:56.07 | Dagmar | THat was a journey of 1000 steps in getting ffmpeg and friends to behave, but at least it did it |
| 23:56.31 | Dagmar | Recordings that come out of Hauppauge's hardware are _not_ in a sane format, IMHO |
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| 23:56.57 | Dagmar | One pass through Handbrake or ffmpeg and they're a million times more playable and far smaller |
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| 23:57.43 | Dagmar | The only advantage to their native format is that it makes things terribly obvious when Comcast decides to downsample a channel to 720 |
| 23:58.01 | Amarande | yeah, I've never quite understood how commercial products can so drastically fuck up shit that the free open source stuff handles handily |
| 23:58.12 | Amarande | you're supposed to get this thing for your money like ... I believe they call it "value" |
| 23:58.23 | Dagmar | Well, in this case, they're making some "decisions" with respect to buffer sizes and compression, apparently |
| 23:58.49 | Dagmar | ...just because they're doing the encoding from component input in realtime with as little power as possible |
| 23:59.12 | Dagmar | ...but the end result has some chunks that are too large for even VLC to handle gracefully it appearws |
| 23:59.45 | Amarande | so basically, the encoding is done with roughly the same quality level as the brewing of Pabst Blue Ribbon :) |
