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| 01:13.41 | Neffi | lookin good Semlar http://i.imgur.com/8qkVjEH.webm |
| 01:14.28 | Semlar | glitter-bombs neffi |
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| 01:22.56 | Neffi | :O |
| 01:31.45 | Torhal | Neffi-bombs Semlar. |
| 01:32.17 | Semlar | neffi can't melt steel beams |
| 01:32.43 | Torhal | No, but when he explodes his bone fragments will embed into your flesh. |
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| 02:18.58 | Fisker | Hey Torhal |
| 02:34.11 | Neffi | Semlar: with the fever I'm running right now, don |
| 02:34.14 | Neffi | 't be so sure |
| 02:37.30 | Torhal | Hey Fisker |
| 02:37.33 | Torhal | Weekly prizes? |
| 02:37.44 | Fisker | nope |
| 02:44.24 | Amarande | hrm. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127852 vs. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202055 |
| 02:44.59 | Neffi | Amarande: check benchmarks and compare specs |
| 02:45.27 | Neffi | although nvidia has better drivers in my experience, and is usable on Linux and FreeBSD comfortably |
| 02:46.56 | Amarande | benchmarks for low end cards seem to be hard to find, and hwcompare has a virulent case of the scam ads right now |
| 02:47.41 | Amarande | worse, the scam advertisers have gotten wise and use overlay ads so when you go to click the dropdowns instead you get the stupid scammer going off on their "you've got malware! call this number for safety!" spiel |
| 02:47.50 | Neffi | look at specs? which has more theoretical compute power? trying to push relatively high res?, which has more pixel fillrate. etc |
| 02:48.36 | Neffi | although I'd say you're probably not gonna be doing much gaming with either, so the difference isn't gonna be tangible probably |
| 02:49.45 | Neffi | and with that I go to sleep because I feel like a damned zombie |
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| 04:03.14 | Arrowmaster | that new The Martian trailer, omg |
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| 04:22.20 | Arrowmaster | well thats awesome, firefox is crashing everytime it tries to play an html5 video |
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| 05:21.37 | karl_w_w | I bet it's a bad movie Arrowmaster |
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| 05:47.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.pcgamer.com/mirrors-edge-catalyst-revealed-by-tweet-and-trademark/ |
| 05:48.36 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately it's an ea game, so it's effectively off-limits to anyone who doesn't care about origin and doesn't have whatever consoles they release it on :( |
| 05:49.21 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't played an ea or ubisoft game in years as a result |
| 05:53.46 | WrathTECH | How is your addon popularity on Curse.com calculated? |
| 05:54.20 | WrathTECH | Like, is it just unique downloaders, or something. |
| 05:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's unique downloads over a set time, but i have zero idea where i'm getting that from, so it could be 100% bullshit :| |
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| 06:07.16 | kd3 | way to go, foxlit. a wingman to strangers: http://imgur.com/PWGTsn3 |
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| 06:34.49 | Mr_Rabies | whoa, this is a neat idea, even if the execution isn't quite perfect: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/platter-game-menu-enhanced |
| 06:35.42 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 06:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | that's WrathTECH's addon, lol |
| 06:36.04 | WrathTECH | lol, thank you :) |
| 06:36.19 | WrathTECH | Yeah, first addon, still learning. haha |
| 06:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | so far my only gripes are aesthetic and it's a pretty new addon, i'm gonna give it a shot ingame |
| 06:39.56 | Shirik | just made his first ARES checkin |
| 06:40.02 | Shirik | Fisker: are you jealous? |
| 06:40.26 | Kalroth | who's ares and why are you checking him in |
| 06:40.44 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_Radio_Emergency_Service |
| 06:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | he's the god of war |
| 06:40.49 | WrathTECH | Aesthetics could be shaped up a but, but Im pretty comfy with it, for what I know. I can design Websites fine, but this addon deal is much different. |
| 06:41.05 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's all subjective anyway |
| 06:41.27 | Trela | Shirik: Call sign? |
| 06:41.35 | Shirik | KG7UDH |
| 06:41.37 | Trela | <3 |
| 06:41.44 | Kalroth | have you caused any emergencies yet, Shirik? |
| 06:41.49 | Shirik | all the time |
| 06:41.59 | Shirik | resistance see me in ingress and they freak out |
| 06:42.04 | Trela | My father runs the ARES for his township back home. |
| 06:42.05 | Kalroth | (8 |
| 06:42.08 | Shirik | Trela: neat |
| 06:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | i personally find the bottom icons clashing a bit with the built-in wow buttons, but that's a personal thing and entirely subjective, also the rounded angles aren't my bag but again, all subjective, and the art process of addon stuff is the most time-consuming, as i understand it |
| 06:43.59 | WrathTECH | Yeah, graphics design is really a very personal touch. |
| 06:44.19 | WrathTECH | Actually, i forgot, I have a new version to upload that I just added to and fixed up a bit |
| 06:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | ooh okay it definitely interfaces in weird ways with bartender, lol |
| 06:46.26 | Fisker | nope Shirik |
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| 06:47.19 | WrathTECH | Yeah, Bartender and Dominoes is still another task. You can move the frames by ALT-RightClick dragging. |
| 06:47.24 | Kalroth | Fisker, you should Skype his radio and tell him that |
| 06:47.31 | WrathTECH | You can also keybind the addon. |
| 06:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not even seeing the frame for platter, but that's cool, i can always wait |
| 06:48.33 | WrathTECH | I think Ill check if those addon are disabled, hid=e the main ui toggle buttons for it, then people would have to use keybinds (most likely ESC to get rid of blizzards default menu. |
| 06:48.47 | WrathTECH | *are enabled |
| 06:49.46 | WrathTECH | v0.98.1 is live |
| 06:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | as a suggestion, you could have it (optionally of course) just not bother with the micromenu stuff and/or interface with LibDataBroker stuff, but i have zero clue as to how much work that'd even be |
| 06:50.39 | WrathTECH | Yeah, thats another option. The data broker part i never thought of.. will be a whole nother ballpark to implement for me, but would be well worth while. |
| 06:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't even necessarily even have to pass data along LDB, just throw an icon into it or something |
| 06:51.59 | WrathTECH | Yup |
| 06:52.31 | Mr_Rabies | anyway it's super neat and i can't wait to see how it develops :D |
| 06:52.54 | Mr_Rabies | with bartender i just get a "Customer Support" icon where my micro menu used to be, lol :V |
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| 06:53.22 | WrathTECH | I think for the most part it is out of Beta now, most funtionality is avaliable and ready to use, except with bartender and other addon's alike. |
| 06:55.10 | WrathTECH | Overall though it's been fun learning Lua, still shitting my pants that some peopple even have liked it and have favorites. This was to be just a personal project then my real life friends said I should upload it and share it. -_- |
| 06:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | it really shows how outdated the escape/micromenu menus are in the default ui |
| 06:56.05 | WrathTECH | Wouldn't possible without you guys though. So much awesome help. :D |
| 06:56.07 | Mr_Rabies | they really should basically do what platter does |
| 06:56.23 | Mr_Rabies | i fully expect an eerily similar addition with the base ui in 7.0 :v |
| 06:56.25 | WrathTECH | I had thought about it, and their UI buttons are scattered so much. |
| 06:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's one of _those_ addons, one that's like "well shit, why didn't we think of that" on blizzard's end |
| 06:56.43 | WrathTECH | Thats where the Idea initially came from. Plus all those hotkeys |
| 06:57.14 | Mr_Rabies | where the ui basically stayed the same since 2004 in those areas, many others changed dramatically |
| 06:57.31 | WrathTECH | I'd be insanely happy if blizzard implemented a menu like Platter. |
| 06:57.48 | WrathTECH | Back in a few minutes |
| 06:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | you wouldn't badmouth them in public and demand restitution like the OQueue guy? :p |
| 06:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | wonder what he's up to nowadays, last i checked he was trying to get OQ working with the built-in raid browser thing and throwing gibberish whisper strings at me when i made groups in the default ui |
| 07:02.21 | WrathTECH | Honestly, robably wouldn't. In the least I would just want some recognition for the original idea. |
| 07:02.39 | WrathTECH | I never heard about the OQ guys doing that o.O... never used the addon though. |
| 07:03.10 | Mr_Rabies | the creator of OQ is notoriously bad at PR |
| 07:03.39 | WrathTECH | Sorry, PR? |
| 07:03.40 | Mr_Rabies | any criticism is thrown out or made fun of, and at one point, he was hosting addons on his site without author permission |
| 07:03.44 | Mr_Rabies | no clue if that's still true |
| 07:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | public relations |
| 07:03.56 | WrathTECH | Oh yeah. |
| 07:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | which you wouldn't really expect anyone to really have to worry about when just making an addon |
| 07:04.14 | WrathTECH | Whatever happened with WoWMatrix? |
| 07:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | but it was like he went out of his way to be a jerk to folks offering suggestions, etc |
| 07:04.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think wowmatrix is still doing what it always has, more or less |
| 07:04.47 | WrathTECH | Oh god that sad, if you see my comments on the page, I've been taking everything into consideration. |
| 07:05.08 | Mr_Rabies | people -still- use it |
| 07:05.25 | WrathTECH | I used to until I found out what they do to get their addons..... |
| 07:05.41 | WrathTECH | Many many years ago, back in Wotlk I think |
| 07:06.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's good to consider suggestions, but in the end it is your deal, and i think most people understand that, even if comments may lead you to think otherwise :v |
| 07:07.02 | Mr_Rabies | extreme design by committee usually ends up with a less confident product than ignoring suggestions entirely, but a good middle ground is perfect, i think |
| 07:07.45 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I do put that into consideration. Could it break or ruin the addon, reduce the performance, etc |
| 07:07.58 | WrathTECH | Granted, I know my code is sub-par. lol |
| 07:08.27 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
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| 07:09.10 | WrathTECH | In due time, Ill be able to get it cleaned up. Never touched Lua before this. |
| 07:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | hehe |
| 07:11.07 | Mr_Rabies | torhal is -still- cleaning up ackis recipe list, last i saw :v |
| 07:11.26 | Mr_Rabies | reading the changelogs was pretty great for a while there |
| 07:11.42 | WrathTECH | Haha. |
| 07:11.46 | Mr_Rabies | "WHY IS THIS LIKE THIS WHY HAS IT BEEN LIKE THIS FOR EIGHT YEARS OH GOD" once a week |
| 07:12.15 | WrathTECH | It's just bizarre running so many of you guys addons and now Im chatting with you all. Feels a bit odd. |
| 07:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | i've managed to not write anything usable in lua despite being in here for most of a decade |
| 07:13.24 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have a brain for programming/coding |
| 07:13.44 | Mr_Rabies | at one point i wrote mIRC scripts a bit mostly by lifting code from other scripts, but that's about it |
| 07:13.51 | WrathTECH | It's definitely a pain. I only knew HTML/CSS before this. |
| 07:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | i can read most non-obfuscated code to an extent, but i can't write it, if that makes sense |
| 07:14.34 | Mr_Rabies | i can do a little html, but css is like arcane magicks to me |
| 07:14.56 | WrathTECH | Used to be for me also, but, one step at a time |
| 07:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | "i'm editing visual things by typing WHAT" |
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| 07:15.44 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 07:16.10 | WrathTECH | I do know, looking at other sites code, or addons code, doing a bit of reverse engineering goes a long way. |
| 07:16.20 | WrathTECH | Cept for when you Miss Torhal's point. |
| 07:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | I tried to write an addon back in tbc that played the transformers sound effect upon shapeshifting as a druid |
| 07:16.23 | WrathTECH | >.> |
| 07:16.28 | Mr_Rabies | never managed to get it working |
| 07:16.49 | Mr_Rabies | tried to hook into the event and everything but never was able to get anything to happen :v |
| 07:17.10 | WrathTECH | Trust me, theres still a lot I don't know. lol |
| 07:17.38 | WrathTECH | Like, wtf is "for = i" or whatever i see all the time. |
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| 07:21.13 | VIad | for i = 1, 5 do ... end ? |
| 07:21.28 | VIad | it's a for loop, where i is 1 to 5 so you do 4 loops in total |
| 07:22.31 | VIad | you can use a for loop in your button thing yesterday. you had 5 buttons or something, so you could put most of the code in a for loop and iterate a table you create with the key settings for each button, and make a nicer code to draw your buttons :) |
| 07:23.39 | WrathTECH | Ahh nice, thank you Vlad :D |
| 07:23.55 | WrathTECH | Wait, it's VIad... |
| 07:24.01 | WrathTECH | <Needs new glasses. |
| 07:24.25 | VIad | it's Vlad but it's VIad |
| 07:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | he used to be Vlad |
| 07:24.33 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what happened :X |
| 07:24.44 | WrathTECH | Lol. |
| 07:24.57 | Mr_Rabies | maybe there's gonna be a VIIad and he's already prepared for sequels |
| 07:25.17 | Mr_Rabies | gonna get weird when there's a VIVad |
| 07:25.23 | VIad | in V2ad we explore the villains backstory |
| 07:25.35 | VIad | maybe roman numerals are better |
| 07:26.25 | WrathTECH | Dan it! I had something to do on my addon, I don't remember now : / |
| 07:26.43 | VIad | yout button thing? |
| 07:26.48 | WrathTECH | Yup |
| 07:27.00 | WrathTECH | ... was an idea, but meh.. oh well |
| 07:27.00 | Mr_Rabies | reread irc chat, maybe it'll spring up memories |
| 07:27.15 | WrathTECH | Nah, was something I had though about last night. |
| 07:27.24 | Mr_Rabies | usually helping to recreate the conditions when you thought it up helps |
| 07:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | ahh |
| 07:27.40 | WrathTECH | Oh! 3D model of your toon since I have all your toon info. |
| 07:27.59 | WrathTECH | Dunno where to start on that though...... |
| 07:28.20 | Mr_Rabies | was it the sound thing? |
| 07:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | ohh |
| 07:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | i was reading up on irc logs lol to see if you mentioned it anywhere |
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| 07:29.04 | Mr_Rabies | you could look at how ADAPT does it, WrathTECH |
| 07:29.19 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1433834954.png |
| 07:29.23 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I used to run Adapt.. using UnitFramesPlus now |
| 07:29.26 | VIad | why did they remove these gems? |
| 07:30.03 | WrathTECH | There is a new one called Avatar, thats pretty Nifty Mr_Rabies |
| 07:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking a 3D model of your character would be pretty boss on there somewhere after looking at the screenshots, but i didn't want to sound like i was being super needy, i was gonna try the addon out in person for a while before mentioning it :v |
| 07:31.18 | WrathTECH | Haha. :) |
| 07:31.29 | Mr_Rabies | that quote's great, but it's hard to place exactly why it's on that item, VIad |
| 07:31.46 | WrathTECH | Im always open for suggestions. I believe that was the last Major feature I wanted to add into it, then get it working with other bar addons. |
| 07:32.08 | Mr_Rabies | also BRAAAAAP totally sounds like he's ripping a huge fart :v |
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| 07:35.19 | bluspacecow | @foxlit LOL Can you get me laid ? |
| 07:35.24 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/PWGTsn3 |
| 07:35.28 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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| 07:45.36 | NuSuey | bluspacecow: lol |
| 07:46.47 | bluspacecow | [paraphrasng from court documetns] uCool argues Lilithâs copyrights are enforcable as they âappear to be unauthorized derivative works of copyrighted characters found in earlier multiplayer battle games such as Defense of the Ancients (âDOTAâ) and DOTA 2 (from which Lilith also takes the names of its game and characters), as well as World of Warcraft and League of Legends.â |
| 07:46.55 | bluspacecow | Good going uCool |
| 07:47.11 | bluspacecow | set yourself up for further litigation ⦠oh look Blizzard & Valve intervened! |
| 07:47.19 | bluspacecow | *facepalm* |
| 07:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | jeez, i hope the rest of you anime nerds in here are watching jojo's bizarre adventure because the last few episodes have been simply amazing, while the past 2 seasons have been great, the end of part 3 is mind-blowingly awesome |
| 07:49.44 | bluspacecow | â¦â¦ |
| 07:49.56 | bluspacecow | theyâre making a live action of Attack of the Titans ??!!?!?!?!!??@@#@?#!@#?!@#??? |
| 07:50.38 | Mr_Rabies | i wish that was the title |
| 07:50.40 | Mr_Rabies | i really do |
| 07:50.46 | bluspacecow | opps |
| 07:50.50 | bluspacecow | close enough! |
| 07:50.57 | Mr_Rabies | but the original creator made it a mess |
| 07:51.12 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/rgriff/status/608122906552303616 |
| 07:51.17 | bluspacecow | 55 k/s ? |
| 07:51.19 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 07:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | he's the reason why it's "Attack on Titan" even though that sounds like someone's attacking a titan or maybe a moon |
| 07:51.35 | bluspacecow | shouldnt it be Attack of the Titans ? |
| 07:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | in japanese it's Shingeki no Kyojin which is more like "Attack of the Titans" |
| 07:51.43 | bluspacecow | or Attack on the Titans ? |
| 07:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | or "Advance of the Titans" |
| 07:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | Titans/Giants/whatever |
| 07:52.43 | Mr_Rabies | Shingeki = Advance/Charge, etc |
| 07:53.01 | bluspacecow | I see |
| 07:53.06 | nevcairiel | Attack on Titan sounds like we're invading saturn's moon to me |
| 07:53.10 | bluspacecow | TIL Mr_Rabies knows japanese |
| 07:53.22 | bluspacecow | nio hau! |
| 07:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | no = possessive, basically "of the", Kyojin = giant/giants/titans/whatever |
| 07:53.34 | Mr_Rabies | i only know enough to be useless |
| 07:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | TL note: muda means useless |
| 07:53.48 | bluspacecow | so |
| 07:54.00 | bluspacecow | enough to ½ decently watch anime with subtitles |
| 07:54.07 | Mr_Rabies | especially sci-fi anime |
| 07:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | i can skate by |
| 07:54.10 | bluspacecow | but not enough to navigate a japanese subway |
| 07:54.15 | Mr_Rabies | yeah basically |
| 07:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | i can't read it at all |
| 07:54.36 | foxlit | zankyou has a similar word-order problem :( |
| 07:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | anyway; watch jojo thanks |
| 07:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | watch at least the entire first part which is like 9 episodes then 1-2 episodes of part 2, which is like 17 episodes i think |
| 07:55.46 | bluspacecow | is it one of those batshit insane animes ? |
| 07:55.54 | Mr_Rabies | part 1 is super derivative of bram stoker's dracula but it is pretty unique |
| 07:55.56 | bluspacecow | like excel saga ? |
| 07:56.02 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 07:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's batshit in a different way |
| 07:56.26 | Mr_Rabies | jojo does have a serious story, it has a lot of levity though |
| 07:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | people get killed in horrible ways pretty much constantly but often the violence is played up for humor |
| 07:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | and everyone's named after popular western musicians, and everyone poses like fashion models |
| 07:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's pretty great |
| 07:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | the first part is in 1880-1888 or so, the next part starts in 1938, the third part starts in 1988... i think |
| 07:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | there are 8 parts of the manga, but only 3 have been animated so far, and part 3 has 2 episodes left |
| 07:59.03 | Mr_Rabies | 1-2 are about half as long combined as part 3 |
| 07:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | well, 8 parts so far, it's still being worked on, even though it started being drawn in 1988 :v |
| 07:59.45 | Mr_Rabies | or 87 maybe, i forget exact numbers |
| 08:14.14 | WrathTECH | Ugg, I don't even know where to start with a 3d animated PlayerModel... is there a good tutorial out there? |
| 08:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, i dunno if this'll help at all, but http://wow.gamepedia.com/Widget_API#PlayerModel_Derivatives |
| 08:29.01 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I was just looking at that site. |
| 08:38.34 | bluspacecow | oh hai Mr_Rabies |
| 08:38.45 | Mr_Rabies | sup |
| 08:39.00 | bluspacecow | i have to go to works meows |
| 08:39.02 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:39.04 | bluspacecow | y ? |
| 08:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | for the glory of satan, of course |
| 08:39.55 | bluspacecow | and da monies i guess |
| 08:39.56 | Mr_Rabies | http://wtfbot.net/shared/post_media/images/full_sized/46914.jpg |
| 08:40.09 | bluspacecow | kk laters |
| 08:41.17 | WrathTECH | Mr_Rabies: I'm saving the 3D player model for a later date, you said you run Bartender, correct? |
| 08:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 08:41.53 | VIad | WrathTECH: just play around and you'll learn. there arent many good tutorials about a lot of "advanced" things, yet you can always peak at other addons... |
| 08:42.18 | WrathTECH | Going to see if I can't detect it installed, hide the buttons, and add a notify to set your keybind to open platter. |
| 08:42.59 | Mr_Rabies | the age of tutorials and whatnot for the wow implementation of lua seems to be over, you basically have to break out dusty old tomes on wowpedia and hope it still works |
| 08:43.05 | WrathTECH | VIad: yeah, I've been nosing around, but nothing is really much of help. Could be im just too exhaused with the passing of my grandpa yesterday. : / |
| 08:43.23 | Mr_Rabies | sure, lemme know if you need any testing, WrathTECH |
| 08:43.57 | WrathTECH | Will be a bit. I never ran bartender lol... even though I run 175+ addons |
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| 08:45.16 | WrathTECH | Can't hide a frame with bartender? |
| 08:46.18 | WrathTECH | Nevermind, good sir... options.. lol |
| 08:46.44 | WrathTECH | What were you having issues with? Just not seeing the 3 buttons over the minimenu? |
| 08:48.55 | WrathTECH | I guess if anything, post a screeny of your UI with Platter enabled, so I can get a good look. |
| 08:52.33 | Mr_Rabies | okay, sorry, lol, was tabbed out reading something |
| 08:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | one sec |
| 08:54.07 | WrathTECH | kk |
| 08:55.53 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/dI4r01W.jpg with platter enabled, i just get the customer support icon |
| 08:56.39 | WrathTECH | Thats bizarred. I see my buttons no problem, but I can get rid of the customer support Icon. |
| 08:57.11 | WrathTECH | Do you use a custom UI scale? |
| 08:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i think, lemme see |
| 08:57.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i don't see the number but it is custom |
| 08:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | way lower than would be normal for my resolution, i think |
| 08:58.30 | WrathTECH | Disabled, min, or max, I still see my buttons. |
| 08:58.31 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/MVkm9m8.jpg there's with platter disabled, for comparison |
| 08:59.07 | WrathTECH | I don't get how the buttons aren't showing. how many addon's you running? |
| 08:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | a....lot, lol |
| 08:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see what happens with bartender turned off |
| 08:59.24 | WrathTECH | 175+ alot? lol |
| 08:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | it does its own implementation of the micromenu, i think |
| 09:00.04 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I was able to hide it. but even stock bartender settings my buttons show. even set my game resolution to your resolution to check that |
| 09:01.24 | WrathTECH | http://i.imgur.com/405J5vA.jpg |
| 09:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | lmao accidentally uploaded the wrong screenshot, please enjoy this gnome http://i.imgur.com/ZpEMqHV.jpg |
| 09:02.11 | WrathTECH | ROFL |
| 09:02.18 | WrathTECH | <Punts Gnome> xD |
| 09:02.44 | Mr_Rabies | aaaand, bartender off: http://i.imgur.com/Xeabp7V.jpg |
| 09:03.17 | Mr_Rabies | whoa |
| 09:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | got a fatal exception upon clicking "Platter Menu" |
| 09:03.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's interesting |
| 09:03.28 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 09:03.38 | WrathTECH | o.O Never had that before. |
| 09:03.56 | WrathTECH | Wow's been real buggy tho, even changing your resolution it'll crash |
| 09:04.13 | WrathTECH | Nice T-mog though |
| 09:04.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, could be it |
| 09:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't letting me alt-tab so i turned vsync off (it was already off, but did that and hit apply) |
| 09:04.43 | WrathTECH | so it's Bartender not showing my buttons for sure, but thats weird, mine works |
| 09:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | which usually restarts gfx |
| 09:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | but that combined with whatever like did some nightmare system |
| 09:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | it works fine now, the platter menu button |
| 09:05.51 | WrathTECH | This next shot I link is without bartenders micromenu, completely hidden |
| 09:05.58 | WrathTECH | http://i.imgur.com/DkL8xNe.jpg |
| 09:06.25 | WrathTECH | Don't mind the ui... this is my programming ui, the basics LOL |
| 09:07.45 | WrathTECH | Tru going into bartender's options and just disable the micromenu. |
| 09:08.40 | Mr_Rabies | just goes totally blank, hmm |
| 09:08.44 | Mr_Rabies | lemme reload after that |
| 09:09.15 | WrathTECH | Maybe I will just hide the buttons with other UI addons, then make a LDB button and force a keybind, or something. |
| 09:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | yup just gone entirely :v |
| 09:09.46 | WrathTECH | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.57 | WrathTECH | Thats bizzare, it's working for me. lol |
| 09:10.09 | Mr_Rabies | you could do ldb with a fallback to minimap, if that's easy enough, seems most people tend to do both but i have no clue how any of this works, i just click things |
| 09:12.21 | Mr_Rabies | i personally think replacing the micromenu is a bit of an odd choice, but it's your addon, your vision, not mine, and it interfaces well with the default ui |
| 09:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | weird thing is |
| 09:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even get a customer support icon with bartender enabled and platter disabled, the question mark is th game menu icon |
| 09:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even |
| 09:14.14 | nevcairiel | the game doesnt have that anymore |
| 09:14.55 | WrathTECH | Generally there are some addons that will remove the Store button with a Customer Support button, which does still exist, technically. |
| 09:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | well, it works with bartender and platter disabled :v |
| 09:15.06 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:15.07 | nevcairiel | there is only room for 11 micro buttons, and the help button only shows up when the store is disabled |
| 09:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | enabled |
| 09:15.19 | nevcairiel | but the store is always enabled these days =p |
| 09:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | yup, it's a store icon with platter disabled |
| 09:15.43 | Mr_Rabies | so weird |
| 09:15.54 | WrathTECH | Yeah, I don't know Mr_Rabies. That's a really weird issue. Try backing up your WTF folder and delete it. |
| 09:16.19 | WrathTECH | If you still don't see the platter buttons, idfk. LOL |
| 09:16.31 | nevcairiel | Bartender will obey the default blizzard behavior, show the store button if the store is enabled, otherwise show the help button .. but you can always access help through the main menu as well |
| 09:16.51 | Mr_Rabies | you're using 0.98.1 of platter, WrathTECH, or did you update it to fix bartender or something :O |
| 09:17.05 | WrathTECH | 0.98.1 |
| 09:17.11 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 09:17.19 | WrathTECH | Still trying to wrap my head around it. LOL |
| 09:18.28 | Mr_Rabies | trying another server's char |
| 09:18.34 | Mr_Rabies | moon guard, god help me |
| 09:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah that works fine with bt |
| 09:18.49 | Mr_Rabies | lets see how to break it |
| 09:18.53 | WrathTECH | lol |
| 09:19.15 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, customer support icon is still there, but platter works with BT |
| 09:19.57 | WrathTECH | Yeah, the customer support button isn't disabled in 0.98.1, will be in the next version though, just added it. |
| 09:20.28 | WrathTECH | So it's seems that something on your other toon is just bugged |
| 09:20.45 | WrathTECH | Which, is one hell of a relief for me. :S |
| 09:22.39 | Mr_Rabies | aha |
| 09:22.48 | Mr_Rabies | "use blizzard vehicle ui" seems to turn it off |
| 09:22.51 | WrathTECH | Well, if anything, I think im done with dev work tonight, going to run a few dungeons, get a couple more levels on my alt |
| 09:23.06 | Mr_Rabies | see if that breaks it for you in bt settings if you feel like it |
| 09:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | in /bt "Bars" selection in options |
| 09:23.36 | Mr_Rabies | uncheck that and see if platter turns off |
| 09:23.37 | WrathTECH | Yup, that disables it. |
| 09:24.05 | WrathTECH | Probably because of how I have the buttons anchorred, they are being hidden with that option. |
| 09:24.06 | Mr_Rabies | so i'll just turn that on on my main, now that i know |
| 09:24.20 | Mr_Rabies | moon guard be gone |
| 09:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | *hissssss* |
| 09:25.57 | WrathTECH | Okay, I have the buttons attached to MainMenuBar, which explains it a lot |
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| 09:26.53 | WrathTECH | Should be fixed in the next version. Thank you Mr_Rabies for the help on that one |
| 09:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | np, anytime |
| 09:28.18 | WrathTECH | Im actually starting to feel like an addon dev, more then just an obnoxious leech now. :S |
| 09:30.00 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 09:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's a really neat addon, i'm loving it |
| 09:30.26 | WrathTECH | Tyvm Sir. |
| 09:30.51 | WrathTECH | . . . or Ma'am |
| 09:30.53 | WrathTECH | LOL |
| 09:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | also, fair warning: i'm partially responsible for the insane level of bloat in pitbull, i used to pester ckknight about it almost weekly to add new features, lol :v |
| 09:33.17 | WrathTECH | 1 hour till i can take my meds and pass out. /sigh |
| 09:50.24 | WrathTECH | Okay, being the dev of this addon, why in the hell don't I ever actually use it! Prolly the face I've used the default menu for 89 years now -_- |
| 09:53.12 | WrathTECH | Mr_Rabies: You still around? |
| 09:53.59 | WrathTECH | I have an Alpha for you to test |
| 09:54.35 | Mr_Rabies | oh sure |
| 09:54.38 | Mr_Rabies | lets see if dcc even works lol |
| 09:54.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going through a bnc so it might not |
| 09:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | retry, WrathTECH? |
| 09:57.42 | WrathTECH | Sorry, went for a smoke. |
| 09:58.17 | WrathTECH | *sigh* my firewall shouldn't be blocking it. |
| 09:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably my bnc, i haven't tried a dcc in years |
| 09:58.35 | WrathTECH | same here |
| 09:59.18 | WrathTECH | Oh well, I will get a few more things tweaked then upload the new version on Curse later today. 15 minutes im taking my sleeping meds |
| 09:59.54 | WrathTECH | Fixed my framerate issues though, cleared my wow files and all my addons to test this lol |
| 10:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | you'd be surprised how much addons can affect framerate |
| 10:00.55 | Mr_Rabies | i think the addon system is still single-threaded |
| 10:00.56 | WrathTECH | Oh god yeah. 2x GTX980's in sli and it still gets buggy |
| 10:01.23 | WrathTECH | i7-3820 s2011 cpu. no reason I can't run max settings |
| 10:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | the nvidia settings aren't quite perfect for my video card, since wow changes on a patch-to-patch basis and also addons exist |
| 10:02.59 | Mr_Rabies | it wants to render the game at 200% resolution but i dropped it down to 100% since i barely notice a difference in visual fidelity |
| 10:03.10 | WrathTECH | I tried using the Nvidia Experience for optimal settings, still didn't help |
| 10:04.05 | WrathTECH | Damned cat, too cute for his own good sleeping on my computer desk... well, bathing atm |
| 10:05.44 | WrathTECH | Well, toggling the blizzard vehicle ui no longer hides the buttons, so thats a plus |
| 10:07.02 | Mr_Rabies | alrighty, thanks for doing that mang |
| 10:07.35 | WrathTECH | No problemo! I will position them where they were again, but they are movable at least so you can put them wherever you want |
| 10:08.41 | WrathTECH | Back in a bit, gotta go take meds. *Joy* |
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| 11:20.23 | WrathTECH | Mr_Rabies: http://i.imgur.com/RdWdzCy.jpg |
| 11:22.03 | Semlar | i see that foglight |
| 11:22.47 | WrathTECH | lol. ive been playing too many years to not use it >.> |
| 11:23.32 | Semlar | i don't think i ever updated the toc for 6.1 |
| 11:23.47 | WrathTECH | Im using Leatrix |
| 11:23.53 | WrathTECH | So couldn't say |
| 11:25.45 | Semlar | there is no way that dropdown isn't from foglight unless they just ripped off my addon |
| 11:27.57 | WrathTECH | I might still have Foglight enabled, lemme check |
| 11:28.41 | WrathTECH | Yeah I do.. really need to redo my addons and ui. Do my addon dev on another computer so i do mess up this copy |
| 11:30.23 | Torhal | Foof. |
| 11:30.32 | WrathTECH | Morning Torhal |
| 11:31.04 | Torhal | WrathTECH: Looked at your code, have a few critiques. First of which is "You need to use local a bunch more than you do" and also "You're still giving your frames generic global names" |
| 11:31.09 | Torhal | >.> |
| 11:31.09 | Torhal | <.< |
| 11:31.44 | Kalroth | :O |
| 11:31.56 | WrathTECH | Yup. That's part of the code optimization. SOmething im really dredding, remove all spaced in front of all lines and re tabbing the structure too |
| 11:32.12 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23161-Devils-MapampMinimapMods.html someone just embedded my entire foglight addon and called it their own |
| 11:32.26 | Torhal | You should Internet Stab them, Semlar. |
| 11:32.29 | Torhal | Cairenn: ^ |
| 11:32.35 | Semlar | unacceptable torhal |
| 11:32.55 | WrathTECH | At least kick them in the nuts? |
| 11:33.04 | foxlit | I know the perfect solution, Semlar. |
| 11:33.09 | foxlit | Never release any code again! :P |
| 11:33.13 | Torhal | !!! |
| 11:33.16 | Semlar | good idea |
| 11:33.39 | WrathTECH | Obfucate it all! |
| 11:33.41 | Torhal | Or, Neffi could never release Semlar again. |
| 11:36.01 | Semlar | releases torhal into the wild |
| 11:36.22 | Constie | All is lost. |
| 11:37.52 | WrathTECH | Okay, Im sick of certain 3D animations not haing any Anti-aliasing! Blizz, come one, you can do it. |
| 12:01.38 | WrathTECH | Torhal: Have you done much with PlaerModel? |
| 12:02.22 | Torhal | Not really, no. |
| 12:02.28 | WrathTECH | Aight. |
| 12:05.54 | WrathTECH | I guess what I am trying to do works, just not with heirlooms. : / |
| 12:06.51 | Torhal | Honestly? Fix your technical debt before it balloons out of control. You know you have stuff to fix, so do that before tackling other exciting and new things. |
| 12:07.26 | WrathTECH | Yes yes, I am just tinkering with WoWlua before bedtime |
| 12:07.34 | Torhal | Otherwise you'll be months down the road crying every time you look at your code, or wondering why the hell stuff is so broken, or knowing why stuff is so broken but saying "Screw it. I can do other things with my time" |
| 12:07.34 | WrathTECH | Taking a break from Platter |
| 12:07.36 | foxlit | otoh, you could just throw everything out and rewrite it from scratch in two years time |
| 12:07.37 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 12:08.13 | Constie | I cry every time I look at my code regardless. |
| 12:08.37 | Semlar | safer to just not write anything |
| 12:08.58 | Torhal | I think that every time Amarande talks in here. |
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| 12:09.15 | Semlar | the only person i have on my ignore list |
| 12:09.20 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 12:09.32 | WrathTECH | Biggst part of mine right now is re-tabbing and indenting everything so it's more readable. |
| 12:09.53 | Torhal | Get an editor that understands Lua syntax and has code-formatting. |
| 12:10.04 | Torhal | starts getting ready for the office. |
| 12:10.09 | WrathTECH | Using Notepad++ |
| 12:11.28 | foxlit | I feel like there should be a single-keystroke re-indent somewhere. |
| 12:14.32 | WrathTECH | Whelp, it's bedtime, ttyl everyone |
| 12:14.35 | Constie | Use regular Notepad, and write all your code on one line, with word wrap disabled. If you're a true hardcore programmer it won't be a problem. |
| 12:15.00 | foxlit | hah, it exists: â¥â[ |
| 12:15.18 | Semlar | those aren't even real keys |
| 12:16.02 | Maldivia | alt-cmd-[? |
| 12:22.29 | foxlit | Semlar: clearly a sign that you need to get a real keyboard. |
| 12:22.39 | Semlar | :( |
| 12:33.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.53 | Shirik | how can you -1 that? |
| 12:36.22 | Semlar | he jelly |
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| 13:08.59 | VIad | he -1 because he got laid by a dude |
| 13:10.37 | Maldivia | why would that me -1? |
| 13:10.40 | Maldivia | be* |
| 13:14.58 | VIad | he wasnt homo |
| 13:14.59 | VIad | maybe |
| 13:15.10 | VIad | why would it indeed be -1? |
| 13:24.09 | karl_w_w | http://www.afr.com/technology/huaweis-epic-pr-fail-20150609-ghjlqh |
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| 13:42.42 | VIad | means china knows what I am doing since I got Get |
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| 16:23.58 | Fisker | stares at Lopeppeppy |
| 16:24.22 | Lopeppeppy | I know, the elusive and rare creature approaches. |
| 16:26.30 | Amarande | wow, it's Peppy. haven't seen you around in aeons. :) |
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| 16:41.21 | Amarande | hrm |
| 16:41.30 | Amarande | does GGDR5 graphics RAM run like, super hot or something? |
| 16:41.52 | Amarande | I'm looking at the lower end cards and I'm noticing even at the lower end a distinct dearth of cards that use GDDR5 *and* still are single slot |
| 16:42.32 | Amarande | there's a couple of GT 730 and R7 240 units, but it seems like for any of the others, the protocol is for DDR3 based units to be single slot, but GDDR5 ones to have large dual slot coolers |
| 16:42.46 | Unkle | You sure it's not just that GPUs are basically small, very inefficient space heaters? |
| 16:43.12 | Amarande | Unkle: as in, same GPU, but the GDDR5 ends up needing a huge cooler that requires dual slot setup |
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| 16:43.46 | p3lim | there are graphic cards with DDR3? |
| 16:44.00 | Amarande | (aka, is also going to be heavy, and the whole reason I'm looking at low end GPUs is because I do not want heavy, this computer is going to be moved around more than I'd like in the semi near future, I'd like not to have to keep tearing it down to save the PCI-E slot from a terrible fate) |
| 16:44.32 | Unkle | I found this - http://www.overclock.net/t/766275/does-gddr5-really-even-need-a-heatsink |
| 16:44.47 | Amarande | hell, the heavy 770 that's in there right now has already worn the PCI-E slot retainer clip right off the slot :| |
| 16:45.13 | Amarande | http://imgur.com/cPJcHRO :( |
| 16:45.57 | p3lim | use zipties to hang the end of the card to the top of the case |
| 16:46.55 | Amarande | p3lim: yes, there are graphics cards with DDR3 |
| 16:47.04 | Amarande | some of them using it very laughably |
| 16:47.11 | Amarande | like I've seen R7 240 cards that come with 4GB DDR3 |
| 16:47.30 | Amarande | like hell, is there really even anything you can DO with an R7 240 that will use 4GB of video RAM, even if it was GDDR5 |
| 16:47.39 | Amarande | even 2GB DDR3 is being claimed to be a waste |
| 16:48.19 | p3lim | unless you like to play games you don't need a graphics card |
| 16:48.24 | Amarande | mind you, the 4GB models are not a lot more expensive than the 2GB ones |
| 16:48.39 | Amarande | p3lim: integrated graphics is not an option on this rig, heh |
| 16:48.56 | Amarande | this cpu doesn't have them ... got a couple of other intel cpus, but they're not haswell, so they wouldn't go in this mobo :) |
| 16:50.05 | Amarande | guess I could get the $70 intel Q67 mobo from amazon, which seems to be about the only good one left for sandy at a decent price, but that'd mean effing with another damn LGA motherboard\ |
| 16:50.15 | Amarande | could go to an AMD APU but that's about $150 for a decent mobo and APU |
| 16:50.25 | Amarande | whereas I can get low end discrete graphics for $70ish |
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| 16:51.22 | Amarande | come to think of it, I've only twice in my computing history had a computer that had the option of integrated graphics |
| 16:51.30 | Amarande | and at neither time did I exactly have a good computer |
| 16:51.49 | Amarande | once was during my brief time as a sandy bridge user, when I was wrassling with a bad HDD and crappy motherboards |
| 16:52.09 | Amarande | once was way way back around the turn of the millennium on a pc chips motherboard the description of which would be inappropriate for respectable ears :) |
| 16:52.55 | Amarande | (wait, I think my pentium 3 and 4 boards had it too, but intel integrated graphics pre-sandy is one of those things you also don't talk about in polite company) |
| 16:53.06 | Unkle | I'm debating replacing my nearly 4-year old first gen i5-based desktop. Not sure if I want to build a new desktop of just get a beefy laptop that can handle WoW/Hearthstone/Heroes and call it a day. |
| 16:53.52 | Amarande | Unkle: maybe get one of the gigabyte brix units with the iris pro graphics? |
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| 16:54.59 | Amarande | if I didn't have to ship this machine in the next few months, or was willing to abandon it for a lengthier time to prepare it for shipping, I would just leave it configured as is |
| 16:55.13 | Amarande | however, there is no way that pci-e slot is going to survive with that graphics card in it, not the way ups treats packages |
| 16:55.27 | Amarande | with a light card like a GT 730 or R7 240, I expect the machine to make it unscathed |
| 16:55.32 | Amarande | with a heavy dual slot card, forget it kid |
| 16:55.41 | Unkle | I'm in no particular rush. Might be nice to play WoW or Heroes or DIII with everything cranked up to max for a change though. |
| 16:55.53 | Amarande | which is why I'm annoyed at the "GDDR5 = dual slot" convention |
| 16:56.31 | Amarande | there are GT 740's and R7 250's that are single slot too, but all have shit DDR3 VRAM for some reason |
| 16:56.52 | Amarande | Unkle: DIII doesn't seem all that demanding, not sure about Heroes as I've never played it |
| 16:57.07 | Amarande | don't bother with increasing your specs to see things better in WoW, there's nothing to see lately :( |
| 16:57.33 | Amarande | as I said before ... if WoW expansions were beer, WoD is definitely Miller Lite, and that's being nice (I could have said Miller High Life, after all. :P) |
| 16:58.21 | Icicle | You're trying to ship a PC via Air or something Amarande ? |
| 16:58.36 | Amarande | heh. it's a good thing america is an independent country. if we were still part of britain and beer went the same way with the same marketing, the whole "the Champagne of Beers" thing would probably start up the whole English-French war again :) |
| 16:59.18 | Amarande | Icicle: ultimately it will have to go through a standard carrier, alas |
| 16:59.26 | Icicle | I had to do this several times, back and forth from the US to EU and back so I have some tips. |
| 16:59.29 | Amarande | seeing that I don't drive, so I don't have the option of "strap it in the passenger seat while moving" |
| 16:59.30 | Unkle | You could have said Pabst Blue Ribbon - and it still would be a shitty metaphor. |
| 16:59.41 | Amarande | Unkle: is Pabst worse than Miller Lite? |
| 17:00.21 | Amarande | don't think I've ever had it. the only time I really stoop to the level of mainstream beer much is when I'm at a party and I'm not paying for the beer :) |
| 17:00.47 | Amarande | I know Miller Lite goes down like sparkling water with a tad of alcohol in it, though heh |
| 17:01.31 | Amarande | Icicle: the first of which is that UPS or FedEx is surely better than trying to take it as checked baggage :) |
| 17:01.35 | Amarande | am I right? |
| 17:01.41 | Unkle | Pabst Blue Ribbon sells in a can at bars in this area for $1.50 - it enjoys a cache among those who drink it 'ironically' - but it's like nearly all beers, piss in a can. |
| 17:02.16 | Icicle | Amarande: not nessecarily, what you end up doing is wrapping up the graphics card, power supply out of the box and package the mseperately |
| 17:02.25 | Amarande | (gotta be. not only is there the matter of getting it through New York City to the airport, but there's also the whole matter of the Delta baggage handlers managed to ruin my *suitcase* last trip, I can only imagine the pieces the mobo would be in if a PC got treated similarly) |
| 17:02.35 | Amarande | Icicle: yeah, that's why I was looking at lightweight GPUs |
| 17:02.44 | Icicle | Amarande: its not the weight that is the issue |
| 17:02.49 | Icicle | Amarande: and damn you type fast |
| 17:02.50 | Amarande | one, I do not really need a 770 anymore; two, a lightweight low end GPU should probably not need to be removed |
| 17:03.06 | Amarande | otherwise, Wal-Mart would be sending back half their PC stock as defective |
| 17:03.12 | Icicle | Amarande: The issue is that the vibration of the plane totally gets the screws out of their place |
| 17:03.25 | Icicle | Amarande: or just saws em off |
| 17:03.29 | Amarande | yeah, FedEx/UPS Ground is probably a better option |
| 17:03.36 | Amarande | even then, though, heavy graphics card is a no-no |
| 17:04.00 | Amarande | especially since the issue there isn't so much the ride as the sudden drops that packages sent through UPS or FedEx are wont to suffer |
| 17:04.16 | Icicle | Amarande: actually now that I think about it... I shipped the PC via a World Parcel carrier |
| 17:04.26 | Icicle | Amarande: and it was done by ship travel I believe. |
| 17:04.39 | Amarande | one idiot on reddit (which is when I started thinking seriously about this ...) shipped his PC through UPS and it looked like someone had taken a wrecking ball to the inside of it |
| 17:05.00 | Icicle | Vibration issues most likely |
| 17:05.09 | Icicle | gets everything out of whack, not nessecarily an issue with tampering |
| 17:05.12 | Amarande | which pretty much it had, because, hence why I'm saying he was an idiot and not just under-savvy, he had used an Arctic Freezer7 cooler ... think heavy tower cooler that uses the intel push pin mount |
| 17:05.37 | Amarande | intel stock coolers will survive shipping that way, a heavy tower cooler is gonna pop right off and proceed to bounce around inside the case like, yeah, a wrecking ball |
| 17:05.49 | Amarande | man, he must have been one depressed dude then ... saw the imgur roll, that was an X58 board |
| 17:07.05 | Amarande | I've already taken out the akasa venom voodoo cooler and replaced it with the stock xeon e3 cooler :) |
| 17:07.48 | Fisker | Hey Unkle |
| 17:07.56 | Amarande | yeah some people are paranoid enough to even take the RAM out of the machine before shipping, but others are of the opinion it's unnecessary |
| 17:08.17 | Amarande | the usual reasonable caution seems to be "no heavy coolers, no heavy graphics cards" |
| 17:08.36 | Unkle | Hey Fisker. |
| 17:08.45 | Fisker | Hey Unkle. |
| 17:09.10 | Amarande | because, yeah, I guess the comparison is to things like HP and Dell prebuilt towers, which of course ship prebuilt and you don't hear about constant returns to retailers with geek squad finding that the machine is torn up inside |
| 17:09.54 | Amarande | (either that, or there's a really rad job at walmart that involves being in the back room assembling the PCs when they come in :D) |
| 17:16.38 | Amarande | Icicle: you actually had the *power supply* detach inside the case and wreck things? |
| 17:16.43 | Constie | ~â¥~Lopeppeppy~â¥~ |
| 17:16.46 | Amarande | man, that must have been a bad day ... I've never heard that horror story happen |
| 17:17.29 | Icicle | Amarande: funny enough the computer still worked but the case was a Super LanBoy from Antec, made of Alumnium it got completely bent out of shape and unusable afterwards, but at least my box stil lworked. |
| 17:17.44 | Shirik | News headline: "Nasa successfully tests 'flying saucer' for Mars mission" |
| 17:17.50 | Amarande | I've heard of large graphics cards (seems to have started when hefty dual slot cards got common, wasn't troublesome in the past) getting wrenched around and wrecking the expansion slots |
| 17:17.58 | Shirik | News contents: "A huge parachute, however, only partially opened. The parachute shred on deployment in what Nasa engineers described as "partial chute"." |
| 17:17.59 | Amarande | I've heard of CPU coolers coming off and bouncing around the case causing mayhem |
| 17:18.01 | kd3 | whee, finally got my vpn set up so I connect to it from work |
| 17:18.05 | Shirik | That's an interesting definition of 'successful' |
| 17:18.07 | Amarande | I've never heard of the power supply getting wrenched out |
| 17:18.46 | Amarande | Shirik: well given that the Martian atmosphere has a lethal concentration of carbon monoxide, I don't think we'll need to worry too much about little things like parachute failure :) |
| 17:18.46 | Fisker | Hey Shirik |
| 17:18.51 | Fisker | Hey kd3 |
| 17:18.55 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:18.57 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 17:19.03 | Fisker | :) |
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| 17:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly-DOOOM! Shirik! |
| 17:31.34 | Lopeppeppy | is full of lurve. |
| 17:31.51 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 17:35.02 | Shirik | and now for your mind explosion of the day http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/physicists-demonstrate-how-time-can-seem-to-run-backward-and-the-future-can-affect-the-past/?ts_pid=2 |
| 17:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you did that just to make me cry. |
| 17:39.29 | |Jelly| | tackles Peppy! |
| 17:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly-Doom, you are a demon in disguise. |
| 17:41.33 | Unkle | Shirik: âIt proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,â said Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering. - that leads to arguing that the universe exists only because it gave rise to intelligence. |
| 17:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | UNKLE! |
| 17:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | dumps coleslaw on Unkle's lap. Accidentally. |
| 17:42.05 | Unkle | Was it good for you too? |
| 17:43.12 | Kalroth | mmm, coleslaw |
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| 17:49.33 | Fisker | jesus |
| 17:49.46 | Fisker | how can you call a production process "autoextreme"? |
| 17:50.10 | kd3 | !? |
| 17:50.11 | Icicle | Dat Article |
| 17:50.17 | Fisker | LOL |
| 17:50.18 | Icicle | makes my brain think things... |
| 17:50.25 | Fisker | no sharp bumps on your graphics cards anymore kd3 |
| 17:50.31 | Fisker | I am in the future |
| 17:50.33 | Fisker | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA7U6AcJCK8 |
| 17:53.49 | Amarande | hrm. on the other hand, R7 240 will mean Vulkan is supported, since it's GCN |
| 17:53.50 | Amarande | dammit |
| 17:54.05 | Amarande | and by the time I finally decide on a bloody card we'll probably be moving LOL |
| 17:54.41 | Amarande | on the *other* hand, GT 730 is nvidia which means no messing with xorg and not having to worry about whether the amd linux drivers crash more than a paper airplane these days |
| 18:06.00 | Amarande | yeh. I think the GT 730 is the sweet spot here :) |
| 18:06.18 | Amarande | (also shame on me for not waiting for the E3-1246V3 to be out and getting that instead of the 1240) |
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| 18:46.37 | Icicle | http://imgur.com/yQFJq8q |
| 18:46.46 | Icicle | My experience trying to convince guys to go from SVN to Git... |
| 18:47.38 | foxlit | you have 30 seconds; convince someone on IRC to switch from SVN to Git. and... go. |
| 18:48.12 | Icicle | Faster pushes and pulls to the repository so you don't have to wait so long to copy the whole damn codebase every time. |
| 18:48.45 | Icicle | I give myself a C+ for the attempt |
| 18:50.23 | foxlit | yeah, dunno. Time spent pulling/pushing to repository is clearly free time for coffee etc; dunno why anyone would want to cut into that. |
| 18:50.40 | nevcairiel | i use compile time for coffee |
| 18:50.58 | nevcairiel | oops, accidentally pushed rebuild again |
| 18:51.35 | Icicle | ok, retaking... I'll go with better community and visualization tools of code commits |
| 18:52.00 | Maldivia | http://xkcd.com/303/ :) |
| 18:52.48 | Torhal | Don't care about community. I care about being able to cherry-pick individual lines/hunks for single commits, being able to merge branches without YUGE ASPLOSIONS, and being able to easily revert things. |
| 18:53.14 | nevcairiel | svn can kinda do the first thing now |
| 18:53.20 | nevcairiel | but its a bit annoying in the client |
| 18:53.47 | foxlit | most of that seems like porcelain rather than fundamental differences. |
| 18:54.04 | nevcairiel | if you use it enough, it becomes fundamental to you |
| 18:55.25 | Icicle | I had this issue at an old job, where an SVN commit I made caused a 30min destruction of our website, without any clear reason why. |
| 18:56.02 | foxlit | nevcairiel: sure, but that "fundamental" is on a different axis than the one I'm thinking of. |
| 18:56.11 | Icicle | When one of the Sr Devs was able to find all the files I had changed it seems I made a random "NewLine" at the start of a PHP file |
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| 18:56.33 | nevcairiel | If I had to list a couple advantages that come to mind first, its similar to torhals list; easy line/hunk based commits, cheap branching and merging, the community aspects with pull requests (where easy merging plays into), the distributed aspect, so i can keep it in a few remote repositories at the same time, like, I use github as the main repo, but sometimes githubs UI is terrible, so I also push to another one where I have my own |
| 18:56.33 | nevcairiel | UI for code exploration |
| 18:56.51 | Icicle | In Git, I was able to revert my commit within 5 minutes when the system broke, and that was enough to sell me. |
| 18:57.04 | Icicle | (also before anyone noticed) |
| 18:57.49 | nevcairiel | Lots of people say that if you work on a project alone, SVN is plenty fine .. but I wouldn't agree in the slighest |
| 18:58.01 | Icicle | +1 to nevcairiel |
| 18:58.07 | nevcairiel | not to mention that for svn you actually do need a remote server, while Git you can use for months without even a internet connection :D |
| 18:58.19 | Constie | I've only ever used git, but it seems pretty nice to me so far. Well, that's my story. |
| 18:58.39 | Icicle | My first gig was as a PERL dev and we used cvs |
| 18:58.52 | kd3 | grr |
| 18:58.58 | Icicle | I was to young to have any problems with it, but I dont think I would ever go back. |
| 18:58.59 | nevcairiel | i've used CVS, SVN and Git, pretty much in that order, and CVS was terrible .. going to SVN was a giant improvements, and so intuitive and easy to use |
| 18:59.10 | kd3 | well, at least I have real-time knowledge of when my Comcast connection craps out at home |
| 18:59.15 | nevcairiel | Moving to Git from SVN was not as intuitive, it took me a while to really "get" it, but now its perfect |
| 18:59.37 | Icicle | I was pretty noobish until I got onto Git and started really coding |
| 19:00.02 | Icicle | But I can look back on it now and think my time with Git is a lot better than my time with SVN. |
| 19:55.34 | Unkle | kd3 They have those ... often. |
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| 21:01.15 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/18000584456#1 << so, soon(tm)? |
| 21:01.56 | kd3 | old news is old. https://twitter.com/Wowpedia/status/608327755416109057 |
| 21:02.07 | Semlar | eventually |
| 21:02.56 | Semlar | were they planning on starting the new pvp season when 6.2 is released, because they normally announce that a couple weeks in advance |
| 21:03.15 | nevcairiel | it'll probably happen a bit after the patch |
| 21:05.28 | nevcairiel | or well, maybe not |
| 21:05.29 | nevcairiel | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19797619/pvp-season-16-ending-soon-6-9-2015 |
| 21:06.08 | nevcairiel | no fixed date yet, just that it ends with the patch |
| 21:06.41 | nevcairiel | still on course for 23/24 release, i guess |
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| 21:07.07 | Semlar | basically |
| 21:11.08 | Amarande | yeah, I don't think we can even use "soon" with blizzard anymore ... "eventually" seems far more appropriate |
| 21:11.36 | Amarande | too many things that we hear about supposedly "soon" and then they take the whole expansion, or don't even make it into the current expansion, or they get forgotten for so long we think they've just been forgotten |
| 21:11.57 | Amarande | how long ago did they start talking about a cross-server heirloom mechanism, that we didn't get till 6.1, say? :) |
| 21:12.00 | kd3 | good to know that, even in fancy schamncy EV charging equipment, turning it off and back on again is usually enough to fix most problems |
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| 21:32.28 | Icicle | anyone going to Blizzcon, everyone going to Blizzcon? |
| 21:41.58 | kd3 | the usual suspects, I imagine |
| 21:42.18 | kd3 | there's 20-30 at the wow addon author dinner |
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| 22:55.31 | pompy | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/09/chinese-actor-sued-zhao-wei-staring-too-intensely-from-tv?CMP=fb_gu |
| 23:01.23 | Amarande | pompy: also "If your idea of hell is sitting next to Kate Moss on an EasyJet flight, you must be dead inside" |
| 23:01.43 | Amarande | to which my reaction to the headline is ... sure the idea of hell isn't more the fact that you're stuck flying EasyJet than who you're flying with? LOL |
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| 23:10.15 | WrathTECH | Afternoon folks. |
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| 23:26.27 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/05/15 |
| 23:26.41 | foxlit | I wonder if that's still the propositoin. |
| 23:36.09 | Amarande | hm, I wonder if windows 10 is going to create mass internet depopulations on irregular intervals, with this whole 'forced updates' stuff :| |
| 23:39.56 | znf | Amarande, timezones, how do they even work? |
| 23:40.09 | Torhal | Not like magnets, znf. |
